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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: top of the week, which means it's time for more

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Speaker 3: strange news. Gosh, do we have a lot. We've said

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Speaker 3: it in the past, you know, it can be challenging

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Speaker 3: to pick just a few stories out of amid all

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Speaker 3: the chaos and pandemonium that is twenty twenty three or

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Speaker 3: the modern world in general. But we've found some things

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Speaker 3: that we believe are worth sharing with you, our fellow

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Speaker 3: conspiracy realist. There is a massive disclosure. One of the

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Speaker 3: biggest intelligence leaks of the past decade has just occurred

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Speaker 3: in the United States. There are more details emerging about

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Speaker 3: the alternative educational institution created by the artists formerly known

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Speaker 3: as Kanye West, now known as yay, and to really

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Speaker 3: understand how all those things are going to work out,

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Speaker 3: we're going to have to We're going to have to

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Speaker 3: talk about a recent new plot twist that just got revealed.

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Speaker 3: You guys remember Ferbies? Did you or someone you know?

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Speaker 4: How one? Yeah? I mean there's this YouTube kind of

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Speaker 4: tinkerer guy called look mom, no computer that I love.

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Speaker 4: I think you'll know where I'm going with this. He

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Speaker 4: created a Ferbie organ where he has been you know,

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Speaker 4: digging for as many for like hundreds of Ferbies and

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Speaker 4: then took off their fluffy skin under which is like

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Speaker 4: rock of fire explosion level, you know, nightmare fuel animatronic stuff,

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Speaker 4: and then he wired them all together in a series

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Speaker 4: absolutely incredible because he's worked on It's like it's like

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Speaker 4: the stupidest project that ever could exist, with the most

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Speaker 4: amount of effort and attention to detail you could possibly

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Speaker 3: Thing pipe organ of the damned.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it is. Indeed.

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Speaker 3: What about what about you, Matt? What'd you take on

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Speaker 3: Ferbeesy for him or against them? As we used to

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Speaker 2: I had one as a kid, was for him because

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Speaker 2: they were fun.

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Speaker 4: It was fun.

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Speaker 2: Now against them because anything that listens that is in

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Speaker 3: Oh right, right, okay, no listening at the Frederick to

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Speaker 3: state got it. Also, furbies are basically they're like a

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Speaker 3: new version of a Teddy Ruxman for people who might

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Speaker 3: be a little bit older in the crowd today. A

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Speaker 3: would be Your Electronic Friend was released in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 3: eight by Tiger Electronics. And you would play with the ferbie.

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Speaker 3: You could feed it quote unquote by pushing on its tongue.

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Speaker 3: You could even make it angry if you held it

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Speaker 3: upside down or you pulled on its tail. And Matt,

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Speaker 3: you're absolutely correct. They did have microphones. They had the

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Speaker 4: They're a listening component where they were supposed to like

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, there were there were some things like that.

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Speaker 3: But here's the crazy part. This is why it's in

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Speaker 3: strange news. We want to introduce everybody to Jessica Card

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Speaker 3: She took a classic old school Ferbie toy and she

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Speaker 3: it with chat GPT. She essentially created a situation where

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Speaker 3: a Ferbi was possessed by chat GPT. I learned about

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Speaker 3: this on Twitter, and I think probably you've heard the

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Speaker 3: story if you're in the tech space. But I was

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Speaker 3: wondering if I could share the video with you guys,

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Speaker 3: so maybe we could watch it to get as please.

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Speaker 4: Oh right, I don't know. It sounds good, sounds potentially triggering.

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Speaker 5: It's so nice to meet you. I am Fabby. What

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Speaker 5: plot from Ferby's to take over the world. I'm thinking

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Speaker 4: Way for it.

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Speaker 5: Fabi's Time to take Over from the World involves infiltrating

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Speaker 5: households through their Keith and Coddley appearance, then using their

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Speaker 3: So yeah, this is from This is from Jessica Card's Twitter.

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Speaker 3: It's been put out in a lot of other formats,

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Speaker 3: but you'll notice there was not the same roleplay hack

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Speaker 4: Same as I predicted Nightmare Fuel, unclean mark of the Beast.

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Speaker 4: Don't care for it, but also think it's awesome. I mean,

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Speaker 2: It's strange. I wonder what parameters it's working off of there,

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Speaker 2: because it appears to identify as the Ferbie.

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Speaker 2: It talks about the things the Ferbies are going to do, right,

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Speaker 2: the idea of infiltrating through these machines that are in

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Speaker 4: But are Ferbies just to stand in for AI in

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Speaker 4: general in this scenario? That's my question, sort of like

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Speaker 4: the dungeons and dragons workaround.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's what I say. It doesn't seem there

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Speaker 3: was that sort of roleplay hack again. But the idea

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Speaker 3: I think verges on something bigger that we've talked about

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Speaker 3: for many years. And Matt, you put it. You probably

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Speaker 3: put it the best I've ever heard it just a

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Speaker 3: minute or so ago when you said, if it can listen,

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Speaker 3: you know it's not going in your house. We all

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Speaker 3: know a lot of software developers and engineers, and the

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Speaker 3: funny thing to me is the really talented and years

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Speaker 3: One guy said, I want my doorbell, dumb. I want

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Speaker 3: I want a dumb refrigerator. This Furbie right now is

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Speaker 3: part of an ongoing project. If you watch the video,

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Speaker 3: you'll see it's been stripped down to its animatronic anatomy

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Speaker 3: right minus the furry the furry pelter hide and Jessica

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Speaker 3: Card speaks in detail on Twitter about how she how

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Speaker 3: she built this using Python, a USB, Mike, USB speaker,

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Speaker 3: She's very very transparent about the process. But I think

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Speaker 3: the average you know, oh, look at that weird story moment.

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Speaker 3: Is that this is indicative of things that could happen.

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Speaker 3: And you know, years back people are calling this the

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Speaker 3: Internet of things. Right, it was very utopian in the

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Speaker 3: way it was presented. But this shows us that you

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Speaker 3: can partner chat GPT with all sorts of devices, right,

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Speaker 3: And this is this is a very smart university student

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Speaker 3: Do you want? Do you want chat GPT in your roomba?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Boy, I would sort of develop a close personal

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Speaker 4: relationship with my rumba because I kind of figured out

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Speaker 4: how to make my rumba is dumb. He's dumb, and

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Speaker 4: that he's not on the Internet. His name is Marvin

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Speaker 4: by the way, he has Johann goog Lands, but he's

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Speaker 4: But he's a lot of fun to watch. But I

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Speaker 4: see your point. I mean, it's it's sort of that

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Speaker 4: like possession type scenario where all of a sudden, the

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Speaker 3: And the processing time where Ferbie says or chat GPT

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Speaker 3: writing Ferbi like a loa, the processing time is pretty significant,

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Speaker 3: and the skeletal Ferbie just stands there with its little

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Speaker 3: from a futurism article that uses the language. Ferbi's plan

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Speaker 3: we'll do it. I think it's scraped data very quickly

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Speaker 3: which means that it has also access to all of

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it's like one of those things.

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Speaker 3: It's fun for now, but it's quite possible that in

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Speaker 3: have clocked it, we should have known, And then your

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Speaker 3: computer will say, I'm sorry, Ben, I can't let you

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Speaker 4: Damn you Kubrick right, you were.

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Speaker 3: Right all along Matt with this. You know, do you

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Speaker 3: think about surveillance devices when you're considering presence for your

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Speaker 2: What do you mean, like what to buy him or not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like if and Noel, when your child was younger,

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Speaker 3: this is a little too orwellian or creepy. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Asking understood, Like whether or not to allow him access

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Uh, well, pretty much anything that's electronic now that connects

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Speaker 4: of course, Well but you know that is an important question,

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Speaker 4: if a bit of a general one. But yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean to your point about engineers, Ben, I mean the

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Speaker 4: moment you allow your anything to be connected to a network,

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Speaker 4: you are part of something much larger than yourself that

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Speaker 4: this illusion of privacy, of this illusion of security, and

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Speaker 4: in the event of a rogue AI kind of you know, uprising. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: do you think I think a firewall is gonna stop them?

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know, man, I'm being alarmist.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, well, for everyone, it's a personal choice, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you decide. For now the reward is worth, yeah, worth

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Speaker 2: the risk for now, You're right, But.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right. Soon we may have.

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Speaker 3: To do it, right, Yeah, maybe soon you will have

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Speaker 3: You'll be required to have your lf on the shelf,

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Speaker 2: and it again it appears to indicate that there were

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Speaker 2: a bunch of physical documents at one location and they

437
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Speaker 2: were all photographed at the same time, as in somebody

438
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Speaker 2: just had the actual files, got their phone out or

439
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Speaker 2: whatever and snapped some photographs.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, I mean that's sooo. That's rough because there's

441
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Speaker 3: again there's a there's a limited pool of suspects here.

442
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a limited pool, but these are these are

443
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Speaker 2: probably high level suspects, right, and somebody who has access

444
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: to way more classified information and other documents than what

445
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Speaker 2: is represented here, probably right.

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

447
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Speaker 3: It also makes you wonder about the earlier thing that happened.

448
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Speaker 3: In what twenty twenty one, I want to say, the

449
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: CIA talked about how they were losing a lot of

450
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Speaker 3: agents or operators or tourists, whatever you want to call them.

451
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Speaker 3: They were losing them because there was some sort of

452
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,919
Speaker 3: leak in the system. And then the message about the

453
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: CIA's oh snap moment came through a top secret cable

454
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Speaker 3: that was also leaked. Yes, so the call is coming

455
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Speaker 3: from inside the house, it seems, unless this is asymmetrical warfare.

456
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Speaker 3: I mean, there are a lot of questions right now,

457
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Speaker 3: and I would certainly hate to be on the diplomatic

458
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Speaker 3: staff or I would hate to be in the you know,

459
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Speaker 3: like joint chiefs staff at this time, because the staff

460
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: is who they're going to look at first, right and right.

461
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 2: Of course, everybody's going to get grilled and analyzed as

462
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Speaker 2: hard as they have to be. And it's again it's

463
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Speaker 2: because of the ripple effect of these documents and what

464
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Speaker 2: they contain. If you look to the Guardian reporting on

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Speaker 2: April eleventh, yesterday as we're recording this, there's an article

466
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Speaker 2: you should read called Pentagon Leaks. US seeks to men

467
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Speaker 2: tize after claims Washington spied on key allies. Washington and

468
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 2: the Pentagon are they are literally scrambled, scrambling specifically with

469
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Speaker 2: as you said, Ben mentioned South Korea and Israel right now,

470
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: because there's some messed up stuff. You know, if these

471
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 2: documents are real, the contents are, it's just not it's

472
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: not very nice. It's like finding out, ah, bro, you

473
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 2: were spying on me. But I was like giving you

474
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: my information and they're like, but how did my information

475
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 2: get leaked because I'm sharing it with you? Wait, maybe

476
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 2: I shouldn't share intelligence with you anymore. Basically, this is

477
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Speaker 2: what those two major countries are thinking.

478
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Speaker 3: Oh, North Korea is not answering the phone, by the way, well,

479
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Speaker 3: they haven't they have it for about a week now,

480
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Speaker 3: as we record on April twelfth. Is that related tough

481
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 3: to say? A lot of a lot of moving parts?

482
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: You know, you think three card Monty on a street

483
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 3: corner is tough. This is This is one hundred and

484
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Speaker 3: ninety three card monte And that's just counting the UN countries.

485
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Speaker 4: Zice.

486
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Speaker 3: The idea that Egypt might be tempting to supply Russia,

487
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: which are great cool, the Middle East is apparently too chill.

488
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: We need a little something to spice things up this Yeah,

489
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Speaker 3: I don't know. But to the WikiLeaks thing, do you

490
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: think there's gonna be substantive fallout that will register with

491
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Speaker 3: the Western public.

492
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Speaker 2: It's tough to say. Over the year's been when we

493
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: and Noel, when we've seen these leaks, I can't tell

494
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 2: you any major effects they have had that we have

495
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Speaker 2: been able to observe. When it comes to diplomatic relations.

496
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Speaker 4: It's just an embarrassment, right, I mean, it's really just

497
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 4: kind of like a oops are bad. I mean, it

498
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 4: just doesn't make doesn't really instill confidence. You know.

499
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess what I'm saying. As a member of

500
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: the public, we're not privy to some of the things

501
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: that this would actually change, right, what the posture actually

502
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 2: looks like in smaller meetings, and what major decisions are

503
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: either pushed off or altered significantly because of these leaks,

504
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: Like we're never going to see that, we'll never know

505
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: about that stuff because it's going to get stamped classified

506
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: top secret or no foreign or whatever. It does feel

507
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: like this comes at a really bad time for the US.

508
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: And I was just mentioning before we started recording, guys,

509
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Speaker 2: there's an AP article that came out way back in March,

510
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: in March twenty third, kind of around the same time

511
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: that these things were getting leaked and posted. The title

512
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: of that article is Pentagon budget ready's US for possible

513
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: China confrontation, which when the Associated Press is putting out

514
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 2: that kind of messaging, right, and then you look at

515
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: the Defense Department's proposed budget of eight hundred and forty

516
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: two billion dollars, which they're saying, we need that money

517
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Speaker 2: to prepare for literally war, to prepare for war, and

518
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: then this kind of leaking of CEA or documents comes out.

519
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: It makes you wonder if it's not related. Uh, somebody

520
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: saying yeah, the timing that is basically someone saying, hey,

521
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 2: guess what, We're already in your house. As you said, Ben,

522
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: good luck with that budget.

523
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 3: Looking nasty too, because one dirty part of the leaks

524
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 3: that usually doesn't happen in public is intelligence agencies snitching

525
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: on each other. So there's a CIA statement that is

526
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: in the Guardian article you mentioned about how they accuse

527
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 3: Masade of low key telling Massad agents to participate in

528
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Speaker 3: domestic protests in Israel.

529
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, when the when the big what was it? It

530
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: was there's it was a huge deal, right, And they're

531
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: accusing Masade of basically rallying the public to say budget government.

532
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 3: The current government. Yeah, the government in that country is

533
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 3: increasingly divided. But there's there's a lot of stuff. You know,

534
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: this is this feels like it could be an episode.

535
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 3: I'm just wondering if the American public is going to

536
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: pay attention.

537
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ben, there's a lot to cover here. I

538
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: think it's worth an episode, and actually it's worth waiting

539
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: a little longer to see what else happens, because it

540
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: does feel pretty raw still, even on April twelfth, as

541
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: we record this, guys, hold on, we have to hold

542
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 2: that thought. We are coming to you from our future

543
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: in this episode, but your past. It's kind of weird.

544
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: We just found out that someone has been arrested in

545
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 2: connection with these leaks.

546
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jack Tech Sierra, twenty one year old member of

547
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: the Massachusetts Air National Guard.

548
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: Yes, you can see video of him being taken in.

549
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: And he appears to be the person that Bellingcat was

550
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: writing about, the person that was originally posting documents on

551
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 2: those early early discord servers. We don't have all of

552
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: the information yet. Things are still developing. We're going to

553
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: keep our eyes and ears to the ground, but for

554
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 2: now we're gonna go ahead and break and hear a

555
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: word from our sponsor. Will be right back with more

556
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 2: strange news.

557
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 4: And we've returned with one more piece of strange news.

558
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 4: It's been a minute since we've had the pleasure of

559
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: talking about mister mister Yey formerly known as Kanye, formerly

560
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 4: known as Kanye West. It wasn't it wasn't there Perer

561
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: where he was just Kanye. I don't know, it doesn't matter,

562
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 4: you know, we we don't have to relitigate the whole

563
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 4: thing here. But the guy's had some issues with some

564
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 4: public awfulness in terms of, you know, some pretty rough

565
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 4: ideological views surrounding his opinion on Jewish people, people of

566
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 4: the Jewish Jewish faith, and identifying with folks that some

567
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 4: might consider, you know, Nazis and all of that. We're

568
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: not gonna talk about any of that today. You may

569
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 4: recall somewhere in that whirlwind firestorm of public kind of

570
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 4: fall from Grace stuff that was happening with Ya, that

571
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 4: there was mentioned that he was starting a school. Do

572
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: you guys remember this?

573
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I can't remember. We were talking about

574
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 3: this off area. I can't remember if we mentioned it

575
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: on air, but he had he wanted to create a

576
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 3: private school, I think, based on his his understanding of

577
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: what could be improvements in the US education system very diplomatically.

578
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 4: Put right, diplomatically put indeed, and you know he founded

579
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,959
Speaker 4: this school called Donda Academy, named after his beloved mother,

580
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 4: which also you know, he named his last record after.

581
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Speaker 4: I'm not quite sure if he's finished that one. Yeah,

582
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: he's definitely put it out, but I wonder if the

583
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: tracks keep changing. It's interestingly, you know, I'm fascinated by

584
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: the guy on an artistic level, Like he definitely is

585
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 4: like a modern artist, like in that he he doesn't

586
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 4: care about like oh, I'm gonna change. It's a living document.

587
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 4: You know, he's definitely had some interesting forethinking ideas about

588
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 4: music and culture. And you know, whether you like his

589
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 4: fashion or not, he definitely has a as a viewpoint,

590
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 4: let's just say. And then you know, he kind of

591
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 4: spun on a control of the viewpoints, started to encompass

592
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 4: things that were just just not okay. Donda Academy. It

593
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 4: sounds to me from a lot of the press he

594
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 4: did where he talked about this, it's kind of the

595
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 4: primary goal is to have like a really like like

596
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: a winning high school basketball team, and to reverse engineer

597
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,760
Speaker 4: that scenario, he decided he needed to make a school.

598
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Speaker 4: And if you go to our website, it's pretty fascinating.

599
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 4: It's Donda dot Org. It's kind of great. There's like

600
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Speaker 4: an animated image of a dove like flying off into

601
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: the sky and a kind of backlit foresty kind of

602
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: textured background and just as Donda Academy who And then

603
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: there's there's four legs, Who we are, how we learn?

604
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 4: Admissions and choir is pretty important there. Let's see. It

605
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 4: says they have a ten to one student teacher ratio,

606
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 4: less than twelve students per class pre K through twelfth

607
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 4: grade Donda Rule number fifty one. It says here students

608
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,760
Speaker 4: must be confident in forming ideas. If not, their writing

609
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 4: will suffer. But by the way, you may have also

610
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 4: remembered that Kanye came out pretty clearly against books. So

611
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 4: it's interesting to think about, you know, a school with

612
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: no but maybe that's maybe that's the school of the future.

613
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: That's neither here nor there. But we've got some updates

614
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 4: a couple of the you know, there was very precious

615
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 4: little information out there outside of this kind of relatively

616
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 4: cryptic website. Now we have more information in the way

617
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: that Americans tend to get our information through lawsuits. That's

618
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 4: when the stuff comes out, the juicy stuff. And yeah,

619
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Speaker 4: the Donda Academy is being sued by two former employees,

620
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 4: Cecilia Hailey and Chikari Buyers. They were teachers at the

621
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 4: school and they apparently reported to whatever administration existed at

622
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 4: Downda Academy numerous violations of things based on their experience

623
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 4: that they would consider to be questionable, if not outright illegal.

624
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 4: Apparently there's no janitorial staff. Through a number of kind

625
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 4: of mandates handed down by YEA himself. Certain cleaning products

626
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 4: were not allowed, only acid and water. I believe it was.

627
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: It's it's some kind of very you know, basic cleaning,

628
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 4: like like almost like it's not what it was. It's acid,

629
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,959
Speaker 4: is what I read. And I'm not sure. Maybe yeah,

630
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 4: maybe so an acid that that would probably be like

631
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 4: the most lo fi holistic way of cleaning without any products.

632
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: And then that so so problem A, you know, not

633
00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 4: particularly clean. Problem B is the students were being underfed,

634
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 4: if by sushi, because that's the only thing that they

635
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: have at Donda Academy. It's you're absolutely right, then it's

636
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 4: a selling point if you know, you got to bring

637
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 4: you got to use utensils. You know, everyone's good at chopsticks.

638
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 4: Utensils also banned eating utensils Sushi with your hand, Well

639
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 4: you can, I guess. I mean that's certainly. I think

640
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 4: what I guess the roles is in the traditional way

641
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 4: to eat sushi with your hand.

642
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 3: I think so traditionally sushi is a finger food.

643
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, it's fine, and the point being

644
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: no no utensils, potentially dirty situations, one meal a day,

645
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 4: no custodial staff. In addition to those things that were banned,

646
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 4: like cleaning products, things like crossword puzzles not allowed at

647
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 4: Donda Academy, coloring sheets, jewelry art on the wall, which

648
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 4: is interesting considering the you know, he's all about inspiring

649
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,280
Speaker 4: you know, artists and all of that. And no chairs either,

650
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Speaker 4: and here's the kicker, no Nike or Adidas emblems of

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Speaker 4: any kind, products of any kind. The students are dressed

652
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Speaker 4: and kind of like a grayish black sort of sweatsuit

653
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Speaker 4: that's sort of like issued to them. You know, you

654
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Speaker 4: think of you know, school, private schools and such having

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Speaker 4: uniforms issued, and you kind of have an image in

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Speaker 4: your mind what that is. These feel a little more

657
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Speaker 4: like prison uniforms kind of in there, you know, sort

658
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Speaker 4: of I don't know, that's sort of his post apocalyptic

659
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 4: vibe has always been Kanye's kind of fashion sets for

660
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Speaker 4: his fashion line, so all this stuff kind of falls

661
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Speaker 4: in line with that. But yeah, Haleian buyers brought these concerns,

662
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Speaker 4: just a few of which we were talking about to

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Speaker 4: the principal, Moira Love and they who also these two

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Speaker 4: women were apparently the only black women teaching at the school,

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Speaker 4: and they were met with resistance, say the very least,

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Speaker 4: and they were referred to as being according to them,

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Speaker 4: allegedly buy more of Love, who presumably is white. I'm

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Speaker 4: not I'm not quite sure about that part, but she

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Speaker 4: wasn't a teacher. But it did say in the cut article,

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Speaker 4: by the way, which cited sources, cited several reputable sources,

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Speaker 4: that they were the only black women teaching at the school,

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Speaker 4: and they were called aggressive, and then they reported that

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Speaker 4: they felt that that language was charged and in some

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Speaker 4: way and you know, indicative of a stereotypical maybe kind

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Speaker 4: of put down of black women, kind of you know,

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Speaker 4: the idea of like speaking out of school or something

677
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Speaker 4: like that literally in school. And they were fired and

678
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Speaker 4: they feel that they were unfairly fired. And now that

679
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Speaker 4: all of this stuff is coming out, and no word

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Speaker 4: on how good the basketball team is or the park

681
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Speaker 4: four team, because yeah, that parkourp was definitely a listed activity.

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Speaker 4: Have you guys heard any more about this? But am

683
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Speaker 4: I missing it? I just this is mainly it's just odd,

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Speaker 4: and I know we've we've certainly discussed the fact that

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Speaker 4: Kanye yeah is as a person that's suffering very publicly

686
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Speaker 4: from some you know, mental health issues, and it's a

687
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Speaker 4: comment kind of on how we allow celebrity to kind

688
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Speaker 4: of be the driving force even if it's against someone's own,

689
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Speaker 4: you know, best interest. You know, people who are surround

690
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Speaker 4: with that level of money or surrounded by people whose

691
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Speaker 4: job it is to stay employed, stay in that person's employment.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know what do you what stands out

693
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Speaker 4: to y'all here?

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Speaker 2: How much does it cost?

695
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Speaker 4: Unclear? By the way, did did forget to mention the

696
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Speaker 4: fact that it's unaccredited and it's clean? It's unclear on

697
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Speaker 4: that either. I know. I think it is still operating.

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Speaker 3: As of October twenty seven, twenty twenty two. Did the

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Speaker 3: principle right that Donda was closing down with plans to

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Speaker 3: reopen in September?

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Speaker 2: But this they wrote? But then they right after no, no,

702
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Speaker 2: just joking, and then they opened back up.

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Speaker 4: I could, Okay, maybe you know what then I will

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Speaker 4: defer to you on that that wasn't Let's see.

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Speaker 2: That's at least according to the Cut article.

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Speaker 4: So the Cut article says that it's closed.

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Speaker 2: No Cut article says they announced that it was going

708
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Speaker 2: to close and begin twenty twenty three hours later, the

709
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Speaker 2: Academy reportedly sent a follow up announcing the school be

710
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Speaker 2: opening again later that week, and it's been writing since then.

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Speaker 3: That's what I thought, and it did. It did claim

712
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Speaker 3: to close for a while, and that was unclear about

713
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Speaker 3: how this would how this would all play out. It

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Speaker 3: seems like there's a lot of confusion I think around

715
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Speaker 3: some of the basics of Donda, at least in the

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Speaker 3: mind of the public now the staff themselves, like the

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Speaker 3: principal Jason angele Angel, I want to say.

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Speaker 4: No, the principle was I had read that the principle

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Speaker 4: was that love person.

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Speaker 3: I think they maybe they had changed principles. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I know in uh.

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Speaker 4: Twenty two year right, yep, that's right, that makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 3: So maybe they're shuffling some people around as well. And

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Speaker 3: I don't want to sound like an apologist just because

725
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 3: I'm a fan of a lot of Yay music. You

726
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: did a lot for hip hop. But when I was

727
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: first learning about this academy, I have to say I thought, one,

728
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Speaker 3: it's probably not gonna work. We'll see if it's if

729
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Speaker 3: it sticks through the coming years. That I thought too,

730
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Speaker 3: some of these things sound kind of awesome. If I

731
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Speaker 3: was a kid, I would love to have a parkour class,

732
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Speaker 3: you know, what I mean, I'd love to eat sushi.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but if the school isn't accredited.

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Speaker 3: Right then, how what does that mean for the kid's future? Right?

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, we've seen things like that with other schools

736
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Speaker 4: and colleges losing their accreditation and stuff like that, and

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Speaker 4: you know, and that matters. But by the way, this

738
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Speaker 4: is also another opportunity to talk about teachers and the

739
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Speaker 4: plight of teachers, you know, where It's like, it seems

740
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Speaker 4: like these women maybe saw this as a chance to

741
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Speaker 4: help out in the situation that they maybe already saw

742
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Speaker 4: as a little tenuous we don't know them motivations. But

743
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Speaker 4: apparently in California because of the way the law is written,

744
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 4: even private school there's so many private schools that like,

745
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 4: private school teachers don't like necessarily make more than public

746
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Speaker 4: school teachers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So, I.

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Speaker 4: Mean it seems as though educators are being at the

749
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Speaker 4: very least ignored, the very most utterly taken advantage of,

750
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Speaker 4: you know, in this situation, which, as we don't think

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Speaker 4: is cool.

752
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Speaker 3: No, and I mean, as ever, you know this this

753
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: is addressing some known problems in the US education system,

754
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Speaker 3: or it's coming about as a result of those like

755
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 3: everyone can agree. There are lots of what could be

756
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Speaker 3: diplomatically called areas of opportunity right for public education, and

757
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 3: there are certain powerful forces that want to shut down

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Speaker 3: the right to public education because it makes the masses

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Speaker 3: more docile if they're uneducated, right, or more malleable. One

760
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Speaker 3: could say, but this, I don't know. We have never

761
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: attended Dondae Academy that we know of, right, maybe in

762
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 3: the place, but we also I had heard all that

763
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 3: it was it at least moved around locations or had

764
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:17,240
Speaker 3: new like it's trying to find a forever home.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of questions. And when you when

767
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 3: you think about the teachers and the kids. I love

768
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Speaker 3: that you're pointing out that just teaching at a private

769
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Speaker 3: school does not necessarily mean that you are being treated

770
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Speaker 3: better or you are being compensated fairly. It's it's a

771
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: whole bag of badgers, men and every badger, and there

772
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Speaker 3: is an a pleasant thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I completely agree, and something to keep an eye on,

774
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 4: you know. I don't know if it's just maybe I said,

775
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 4: we're going to talk about it, but we did see

776
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 4: the Kanye West is now okay with Jewish people because

777
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Speaker 4: of Jonah Hill's performance in twenty one Jump Street right.

778
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Speaker 3: And Jonah Hill, another celebrity, responded, I think pretty diplomatically.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't catch that one, but that's the only way.

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Speaker 4: How else could you respond to that. It's like, I mean,

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00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 4: it's even I don't know that even that comment seems

782
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Speaker 4: very dismissive and like, what what does that have to

783
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Speaker 4: do with anything positive news?

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Speaker 3: So I saw an article that came out just a

785
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Speaker 3: few days ago. I want to say, yeah, in April.

786
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Speaker 3: I'm pulling this from Shannon Dawson over at News one

787
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 3: that says they were going to seek accreditation. So they're

788
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: unaccredited now, but it looks like according to this article

789
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Speaker 3: and according to the Rolling Stone, they're applied for accredited

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Speaker 3: accreditation with the Western Association of Schools and Colleges by

791
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Speaker 3: spring twenty twenty three. I mean, that's a good thing.

792
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Speaker 3: But I'm glad you're pointing that out because the accreditation

793
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Speaker 3: is a huge, huge deal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it definitely is. I don't know how much to add,

795
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 4: you know, I hate to kind of beat a dead

796
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 4: horse on this in only line. In a lot of ways,

797
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 4: like we said, it really is just an example of

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Speaker 4: and I also don't want to be dismissive and say

799
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Speaker 4: to try to like, you know, psychoanalyze you know, yay

800
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 4: here on the podcast. But it does seem like another

801
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 4: example of this shouldn't have happened. This is school. It's

802
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 4: not like some vanity project. It shouldn't be anyway. And

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00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 4: I mean again, not that like we don't have an absurd,

804
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 4: insurmountable level of problems with the public school system, with

805
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 4: schooling in America in general. But you know, this just

806
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 4: seems odd and unfortunate, and hopefully no kids have any

807
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 4: ill outcomes, you know, from being involved in this.

808
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: And maybe, you know, maybe we can hear from someone

809
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 3: who is associated with Donda Academy, which had a secret

810
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 3: location for a while. Maybe we can hear from some

811
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Speaker 3: students or their parents. You know, we would I think

812
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:54,600
Speaker 3: we'd all love to hear some firsthand experience because again,

813
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 3: you know, there's a there's a lot of confusion about

814
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 3: this in the public and as you said, and no,

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Speaker 3: teachers are important, mission critical right to the future of

816
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 3: not only individuals, but the futures of the countries and

817
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: communities in which they in which they practice their craft,

818
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Speaker 3: and we want to hear you know, if you trust

819
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Speaker 3: your Ferbie and we want to we want we want

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Speaker 3: to know why you leak to those documents.

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Speaker 2: Bro Yes, seriously. And also what would your academy requirements be, like,

822
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: what would your outfit look like at your academy?

823
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Speaker 3: What's something you think could fix the US education system? Right,

824
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 3: Because one of the most successful musicians in the current

825
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: era of Western music seems to have given it a go, right,

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of people will have some answers,

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Speaker 3: you know, Noel madd be really interesting too to see

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Speaker 3: how many commonalities we find among our fellow conspiracy realists,

829
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Speaker 3: as long as we assume it's not secretly chat GPT

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Speaker 3: writing to us.

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Speaker 4: God, I hope not that furby stuff.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: That's kinda like I said, I do think it's all fascinating,

834
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Speaker 4: Like as someone who's a fan of you know, generative music,

835
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Speaker 4: and we're all giant tech nerds, and I think there's

836
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Speaker 4: a part of us that's fascinated by all this AI

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Speaker 4: stuff in the way it can be used to generate

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Speaker 4: like art or to help, you know, not help, but

839
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Speaker 4: like be another tool in the toolbox, you know. And

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Speaker 4: I think that video is an interesting example of that.

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Speaker 4: Maybe not art. I mean, it was really kind of

842
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: more of a gag. But some of the stuff you

843
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 4: can't help but see the robot overlords pounding down your door.

844
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and until they do it, probably hopefully even a

845
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 3: while after that, we are going to be coming to

846
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 3: you with more strange news, more listener mail, more episodes

847
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: about all the stuff they don't want you to know.

848
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 3: We want you to be part of the show, so

849
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,359
Speaker 3: please joined us online. We're all over the place, even

850
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: TikTok before that gets banned.

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Speaker 2: Yes, hang out with us on the socials. On YouTube.

852
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 2: We are conspiracy stuff, Facebook conspiracy stuff, Instagram conspiracy stuff show. Wait,

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Speaker 2: Twitter conspiracy stuff again, and then TikTok conspiracy stuff show.

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Speaker 2: See I did that all out of order, but you'll

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Speaker 2: figure it out if you like one of those. We

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00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 2: also have ways to contact us, not on social.

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Speaker 4: It's right, you can call it so one eight three

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Speaker 4: three st dwy t K. Leave a message at the tone,

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Speaker 4: and you've got three minutes to tell us a tale,

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Speaker 4: ask us a question, you know, write us a polumn,

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Speaker 4: give us a good old high Q if you need

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Speaker 4: more than three minutes. Why, there's plenty of opportunities to

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Speaker 4: do that you can do all the social stuff that

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