1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: This is the Draft Prospect Review podcast on Patriots dot 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Com Radio. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 2: Welcome to an NFL draft. 4 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: The Draft Prospect Review podcast is your source for all 5 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: the latest news and information on the NFL Draft. 6 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: The New England Patriots like now. 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: Here to preview the running backs the writers of Patriots 8 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: dot Com. 9 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 3: Back here at Jillett Stadium front of the Draft Podcast Review. 10 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 3: We're going to talk about running backs today, a little 11 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 3: bit more of a glamour position, although not first round 12 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: glamour if you want to go by the recent NFL 13 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: draft history. But there are some guys in this draft, 14 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 3: one in particular, that's getting a lot of buzz around 15 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 3: New England, and running back is always one of those 16 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: polarizing positions. Don't say that too fast, you pop your 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 3: p's and sound silly, but b Jon Robinson out of 18 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 3: Texas is a guy that a lot of people really 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 3: I haven't really heard anybody who's not very high in 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: this prospect. The the debate comes with if you take him, 21 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 3: how early do you take him and how much of 22 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: an impact does he have on your team? And some people, 23 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 3: some of the higher profile draft knicks, have mocked him 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: to the Patriots at fourteen, so I want to talk 25 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 3: about Jon Robinson. First, I'll let you guys go at it, 26 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:23,399 Speaker 3: and then I want to talk about realistic everybody else expectations. 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: For the Patriots. So let's talk about Jon Robinson. 28 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 4: Well, I think a lot of us were just, you know, 29 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 4: surprised to see people mocking him to the Patriots. I 30 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 4: mean it's a mocker, Yeah, it's a mockery. But he's 31 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 4: you know, he's an outstanding player. So when you say, 32 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 4: just generally, what does the Patriots offense need? I think 33 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 4: they need playmakers, They need guys who can do special things. 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 4: I don't think they have, you know, any of those 35 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 4: guys really right now. So in that regard, I guess 36 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 4: I understand it. But I think you're just going to 37 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 4: get to the point in the draft where someone will 38 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: take him mid first round, late first round, somewhere and there, 39 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: and everyone will be like, well, they got to steal, 40 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 4: They got to steal because they were willing to get. 41 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 4: You know, what will actually look like on the field, 42 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 4: How reliant on that player will they become? Will they 43 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 4: become you know the Giants with Saiquan Will they become 44 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 4: the Derrick Henry Kunt of dependent Titans? We'll see, but 45 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 4: I think he'll he'll make a really great addition to 46 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 4: some team and he'll have an impact, He'll change the 47 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 4: dynamic of an offense somewhere along that line. 48 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 5: I mean, he's a beast, but do you really need him, Like, 49 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 5: you don't end up in a situation where you have 50 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 5: the fifth year option and you're stuck with this great player, 51 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 5: but you know he kind of hampered your future with him. 52 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 5: But I mean, as Mike said, he'd be great anywhere 53 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 5: he goes. 54 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 6: So yeah, I just don't think the Patriots are in 55 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 6: a position to make a pick like this. If this 56 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 6: was the Dynasty era of Patriots and Tom Brady was 57 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 6: still here and they still had the roster all figured 58 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 6: out and everything, and they wanted to add Bejon Robinson 59 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 6: as the cherry on top to everything else, then that's fantastic. 60 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 6: I would be all for it. It's similar to how 61 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 6: the Niners traded for Christian McCaffrey. Right, they have everything else, 62 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 6: but they just needed that one more thing to kind 63 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 6: of get them over the top, so they went out 64 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 6: and got McCaffrey. The Patriots have too many immediate holes 65 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 6: at other positions on this roster that we've talked about 66 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 6: at nauseum for six months. It feels like now that 67 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 6: it just doesn't make make much sense from a positional 68 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 6: value standpoint to take Bejon. I would also have mentioned 69 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 6: you mentioned Derrick Henry's Titans. I think that's the model 70 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 6: of what you maybe hope to become if you're gonna 71 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 6: center it all around and running back, and is that 72 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 6: really is that really the direction that we all want 73 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 6: them to take the team in, and all want them 74 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,119 Speaker 6: to take the offense in where you're so heavily reliant 75 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 6: on the running back being dominant and running for two 76 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 6: thousand yards and then making your play action passing game ridiculous, 77 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 6: and all these types of things that went into those 78 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 6: Titans teams. 79 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 4: I just I just can't help but imagine, like what 80 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 4: he would do with the Bills. You know, a team 81 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 4: that hasn't really looked interested in running the ball, hasn't 82 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: been all of a sudden, they've got a running game 83 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 4: that's gonna that would totally change their dynamic. So in 84 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 4: a team like that, he's a great fit and I 85 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 4: and it makes total sense to him. 86 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 3: See I look at him as the way Evan said 87 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 3: with McCaffrey you know that team that has one missing 88 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: piece and whether that's a if that's a running back, 89 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: then then find and I can. This is one of 90 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: those where like I often sort of clap back against 91 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 3: the uh, well, he wouldn't have been he wouldn't have 92 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 3: worked for the Patriots. But this is one that I 93 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: think is accurate in that regard. I think he'd be 94 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 3: a really good player no matter where he goes. We 95 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: all just you know, I agree with everything you guys 96 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 3: just said. But for the Patriots, they need more than 97 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: just another you know, running back. They need a lot 98 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: of stuff to get more dynamic on offense. And another 99 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 3: team might get him and it might put him over 100 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 3: the top, whether it's Buffalo. I mean, I think they 101 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: kind of want to turn it over to James Cook 102 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 3: and have Damian Harris be there a little short yardage 103 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: guy and maybe be more productive in the red zone. 104 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 3: But you know, if he goes to like a Kansas City, 105 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 3: it gives him a different dimension. And I could see 106 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: it now I can hear like my boys on my shows, 107 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 3: you know, the Patriots couldn't used a guy like that 108 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,559 Speaker 3: or whatever. It's not the same. It's not the same. 109 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: I think a really good offense that's looking for one piece. 110 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 3: Corey Dillon in right, you know, like it works, but 111 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: I don't think it's necessarily gonna have the same impact. 112 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 3: I think you'd be a great player for the Patriots 113 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: with vermondre Stevenson. Don't think it would have the same impact. 114 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,280 Speaker 3: I'd rather see if they're gonna go for a back 115 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 3: Jamiir Gibbs, I think a little bit later, you know, now, 116 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 3: maybe he doesn't go that much later. Maybe he's a 117 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 3: first round pick too and you. 118 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 2: Can't get him. 119 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 3: But I think if you're going to get a running back, 120 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 3: you know me, you know my feelings on running backs 121 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: in general, do that on your own. 122 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: I love Gibbs. I think he's such a player. You 123 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: have to keep in mind. You know, we talk so 124 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: much about. 125 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 4: Say Flowers and you know, slot guys just match up pieces, 126 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 4: and you know, he's a running back. Yeah, but I 127 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 4: also think with Bill O'Brien, knowing what he can do, 128 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 4: he's a matchup piece too, and maybe, you know, maybe 129 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 4: more versatile than like a James White could be, but 130 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 4: could be not that they want a three down running back, 131 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 4: but could be you know, that kind of player that 132 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 4: could impact the game in so many different ways that 133 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 4: he could play with So with Gibbs, for me, that's 134 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 4: what's most intriguing of all. 135 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: Right, Hey, we didn't get one of the top slot receivers. 136 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 4: You know, if you can't get Save Flowers, is it 137 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 4: really do you really go down to like the Josh 138 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 4: Downs of the world, or do you consider somebody like Gibbs. 139 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: I think that's a conversation. 140 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 6: So let me just set you guys up. 141 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: Wont to set the table for you guys and let 142 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 3: it rip for you know, the next five minutes or so. 143 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 3: That's the high end running backs that are available. I 144 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: think we all agree, really good players, probably not the 145 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: smartest picks for the Patriots at fourteen. So we remindri 146 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: Stevenson year three, he's the guy. They clearly need some 147 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 3: help for him. Last year we saw him wear down 148 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 3: toward the end when Damien Harris wasn't available. They need 149 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: to replace Damien Harris. They have James Robinson, some sketchy 150 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: injury history there, so not necessarily a guy that you 151 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 3: rely on. They have two young guys and Kevin Harris 152 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: and Pierre Strong. Okay, running back is probably a secondary need. 153 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: Can we all agree on that. Yep, yes, okay, So 154 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 3: how early are you guys willing to take a running 155 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 3: back and then give me some examples of guys that 156 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 3: maybe catch your eye. I have one guy who I 157 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 3: absolutely love. I'll save him if you guys don't mention hum. 158 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 6: So, I think I've had one rule about running back 159 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 6: sinceays Bijon stuff came out, and that is it just 160 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 6: can't be the first pick in the draft. I can't 161 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 6: stomach that. If they take a running back with the 162 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 6: first pick in the draft, I'm out. Now. If they 163 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 6: take Jamiir Gibbs with their second pick in the draft, 164 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 6: then I'm okay with that. But I actually think that 165 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 6: there's a slight chance. I'm not saying it's a high chance. 166 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 6: I think there's a slight chance that Jamiir Gibbs the 167 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 6: first running back off the board because his ability in 168 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 6: the passing game and his speed. He's just a different 169 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 6: kind of back than Bijon Robinson. Robinson's the type of guy. 170 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 6: He's a Derrick Henry. He's gonna have to carry the 171 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 6: ball three hundred times a year to really maximize his impact, 172 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 6: whereas a guy like Jamiir Gibbs is kind of like 173 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 6: what Mike was talking about is just a matchup weapon 174 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 6: that you find space for him, and he's gonna make 175 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 6: big plays happen. A little bit more of a twenty 176 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 6: twenty three running back than Bijon is And I think 177 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 6: there's a chance at a team that is very, very 178 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 6: pass heavy, like a Kansas City or like Cincinnati, or 179 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 6: like a Buffalo that doesn't necessarily look at their roster 180 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 6: and say we're going to run it fifty to fifty, 181 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 6: We're going to try to throw it still. I could 182 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 6: see Gibbs being that type of guy. He's got one 183 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 6: of the best. You know, he he goes zero to 184 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 6: sixty faster than anybody I've seen in a long time. 185 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 6: You know, he's got that ability to just put his 186 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 6: foot in the ground and go. Now, if you want 187 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 6: to talk about the other running backs, I think there's 188 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 6: a couple that that stand out in that middle round area, 189 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 6: you know, maybe the third to the fifth let's call 190 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 6: it uh Taji Spears from Tulane's a fun player. I 191 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 6: think he's just I think he's a little bit Deon 192 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 6: Lewis e maybe a little bit bigger. I love him, Yeah, 193 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 6: absolutely love him. He was great at the Senior Bowl. 194 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 6: He's got that jump cut ability to just make guys 195 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 6: missing the hole and just there's just evidence of him 196 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 6: just making guys flat out with. 197 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 4: You know, watching him in the Senior Bowl. He had 198 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 4: one where it was like a ninety degree cut. It 199 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 4: was like he just stopped and then he was going 200 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 4: right Like. 201 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: Believe it or not. 202 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 3: I watched him play for two lane, and the guy 203 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 3: is incredible. It's not the most Uh, it's not the 204 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 3: most talented team. And I watched them play against teams 205 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 3: that I thought were more skilled. Central Florida a little bit. 206 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 3: It I think Houston, maybe Cincinnati, I'm not sure if 207 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: I saw saw that one, but Central Florida definitely. And 208 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: he just carries. He carries the offense. He's a small guy, 209 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 3: but he can catch passes. Uh. He'd be the guy 210 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 3: that I would look for, you know, in the middle, 211 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 3: somewhere in the middle of the draft. If you could 212 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 3: get him in the fourth round, might be, might be. 213 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 6: A little so last year, that was when the running 214 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 6: on running backs happened, was in the fourth rounds when 215 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 6: the Patriots drafted Pierre Strong and Damon Pierce in Houston. 216 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 6: Like that's when that whole run started, and I think 217 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 6: a guy like Spears is probably gonna be the first 218 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 6: one in that that run. I think Roshawan Johnson from 219 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 6: Texas to is Beijon's backup, has a lot of the 220 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 6: same running qualities as Bijeon. He just doesn't bring it 221 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 6: in the passing game like Bejon does, so he's somebody 222 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 6: that if they wanted to truly replace Damien Harris's skill 223 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 6: set in the offense. I think Johnson has also a 224 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 6: chance to be a better pro because he's gonna get 225 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 6: more opportunities as a bro. And then there's a couple 226 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 6: of other guys later, But those are the two guys 227 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 6: that I would say in those in the fourth round 228 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 6: when there's that run at running backs like there seems 229 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,719 Speaker 6: to be every draft now, Spears, Roshan Johnson, I think 230 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 6: those guys are are guys that stand out. 231 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 5: I really. I think fourth round, fifth round is a 232 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 5: sweet spot just you know, get good value there. Eric 233 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 5: Gray and Kenny McIntosh McIntosh McIntosh the really stick out 234 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 5: to me. Yeah. McIntosh. The thing with him is he 235 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 5: was stuck behind a lot of stars at Georgia, so 236 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of untapped potential there and 237 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 5: Eric Gray Boomer sooner, you know, just very clean out 238 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 5: of the backfield. Icy can catch the ball, and I 239 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 5: really think that's what the Patriots need back there. 240 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 4: I think that's what I look at at look at 241 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 4: is you know, guys who have some receiving ability. Is 242 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 4: as much as you know, Tome Montgomery coming back seem like, 243 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 4: you know, maybe was penciled into that role for last year, 244 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 4: played one game, got hurt, you know, never really saw 245 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 4: it out of Pierre Strong. Seemed almost more you know, 246 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 4: like Pierre Strong's more of a runner than that. 247 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: That pass catcher we thought he might be. 248 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 4: But I gotta throw Duce induce Vaughan. Right, Yeah, but 249 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 4: similar thing, you know, an undersize, kind of explosive, dynamic 250 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 4: little toy to play with. 251 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if they're willing to invest in that. 252 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: At what point you've had JJ Taylor here for a while, 253 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 2: he hasn't really been able to so. 254 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 4: At least shows to me that like they're not totally 255 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 4: averse to looking at a little guy like that. But 256 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 4: I also wonder is this just kind of a roster 257 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 4: presence to prepare them for certain backs things like that? 258 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 4: Does that does that kind of play really have a 259 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 4: role within the offense. I don't know, but at least 260 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 4: I know it's kind of on their radar. 261 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 5: Kind of with Evan, either you get Gibbs or you 262 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 5: just wait to the late round. 263 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the two guys I want you guys 264 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 6: just mentioned Gray and Duce, so were the next two guys. 265 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 6: I think kind of that next tier. Eric Gray is 266 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 6: a really fun player, really quick, really agile. He's got 267 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 6: that ability to just jump cut out of things, but 268 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 6: also has I think at the top of the route 269 00:11:57,400 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 6: is going to be a devastating guy at the top 270 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 6: to stay with for linebackers in middle of the field 271 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 6: players and then Deuce darren Sprolls right like that's basically 272 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 6: who he And apparently I said that in our friend 273 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 6: video guy Bradley, I laughed in my face because I 274 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 6: didn't realize that darren Sprolls went to Kansas State. So 275 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 6: he was like, yeah, Evan, no kidding, he's darren Sprolls 276 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 6: two point zero, Like that's literally that's exactly what he is. 277 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 7: I know, I can hit a yeah, that's why I like, yeah, 278 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 7: and uh, and he was I guess, you know, Duce 279 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,080 Speaker 7: fawn I I I talked to him a little bit 280 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 7: at the combine and I mentioned what about the Patriots, 281 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 7: and his face just lit up because he was like, 282 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 7: that's a place that I know would know exactly how 283 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 7: to use me, like James White, Dion Lewis, Danny Woodhead, Kevin. 284 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 6: Falk, like go right on down the line. And he 285 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 6: felt like that would just be a perfect fit for him. 286 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 6: So that one's almost too obvious that maybe it won't happen. 287 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 6: But duce Vaughn with a Day three pick feels like 288 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 6: a slam dunk fear of the pate. 289 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with the past catching ability that 290 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: that's what would stand out to me. Deuce Vaughan absolutely 291 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: has it. Electric player, really small like five to five, 292 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: like really really small guy. I'll give you two other 293 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 3: Day three kind of guys TCU Kendre Miller and Minnesota's 294 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 3: Mohammed Ibrahim. He you know, Ibrahim is a guy who 295 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: was really productive in the Big Ten for a while. 296 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 3: I had some injury problems. Kind of worry sometimes I 297 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 3: don't have the exact numbers in front of me, But 298 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 3: sometimes the guys that have a lot of carries in 299 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 3: college don't always translate. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. 300 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 3: But we're talking day three picks, not anybody that you're 301 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 3: like looking at. Oh, if we can get out of 302 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: this draft and get Kendre Miller like you, No, no, no, 303 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 3: we're talking about later on. 304 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 5: I like Travis Daye out of USC is a late, 305 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 5: late round guy, you know, downhill runner. 306 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 6: Another receiver had a bad injury ankle injury last year 307 00:13:57,720 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 6: in the fall season, and he was at the Shrine 308 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 6: with the Patriots, Travis Dye, and I was looking forward 309 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 6: to seeing him practice, and unfortunately the ankle is really 310 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 6: bad ankle injury, like one of those like Gordon Hayward 311 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 6: type injuries. So hopefully he's gonna be okay and we'll 312 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 6: be back to his normal self because he's a perfect 313 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 6: pass catching third down. 314 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 5: Back for the Patriot. 315 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 6: Yeah. 316 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: I just out there too. I know you lak him. 317 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 6: Evan Hol's got a little bit of James White in them. 318 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 6: He's got He's not necessarily the fastest guy. I don't 319 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 6: think he's gonna necessarily blow anybody away with his just 320 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 6: overall athleticism, but he's got that little quickness at the 321 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 6: top of the route to get open. He's got some 322 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 6: good feel of the passing game, so a. 323 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 3: Lot of different kinds of running backs. I think that 324 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: the group here is more focused on some of the 325 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: more versatile guys that can catch catch passes and maybe 326 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 3: work in the passing game. I think that was an 327 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 3: element that was lacking a little bit, even though Stevenson 328 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: caught so many passes last year. I think that maybe 329 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 3: they might might have wanted that going in that three 330 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 3: down back, that they didn't have to dictate based on 331 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: personnel what they were going to do. But then I 332 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 3: think when you see it in practice, you see the workload. 333 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 3: I felt like that really caught up with Ramondre Stevenson 334 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 3: down the end. I think he ended up with almost 335 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 3: seventy catches, So it's not like he wasn't productive. He 336 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: was really really good. But I think if you had 337 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: to do it over again, I think Bill Belichick would 338 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: look and say, maybe the way we have been doing 339 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: it is the more more preferred route. 340 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 6: Yeah. 341 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: I think you could just get a sense of how 342 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 4: they feel about some of these unproven guys too. You know, 343 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 4: if I not to say, I think you take somebody 344 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: like Gibbs, look, he's that'd be different player. But as 345 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 4: we get into like you know, or are they third round, 346 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 4: fourth round? Are they getting a guy that you might 347 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 4: expect to come in and play immediately? 348 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: It might, you know, reflect a little bit on how 349 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: I would strong hair. 350 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 3: It'll make a good conversation come this Saturday or the 351 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 3: draft when when Paul's out of gasps and you know, 352 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 3: I'm hoping it's running backs because it's a position that 353 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: I can at least speak intelligently on and not necessarily the. 354 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: String guard. 355 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 6: I hope they draft Uce. I really do. 356 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 2: Oh, I would love that obviously. 357 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, right now he gets college hockey player drafted in 358 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 7: the end. 359 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 6: How many times joke to him and he's looked at 360 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 6: me like I had ten heads. 361 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what do you mean? 362 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 6: And he's like what. 363 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: Because I started talking, Like what's he talking about? That's 364 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 2: the first time I played into it. So we're getting 365 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 2: it down. 366 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 6: If they draft a guy like us von though, I 367 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 6: think it's exciting, even if it's later on in the draft. 368 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 6: It's somebody that you go watch him against Alabama and 369 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 6: he houses that seventy five yard touchdown in the Sugar 370 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 6: Bowl and you're like, okay, cool, Like this is a 371 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 6: fun player, and I think that that's going to be 372 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 6: something that people will will be excited about. 373 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 3: I do all right, So running backs not always my 374 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: favorite position, but definitely one of my preferred spots to 375 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 3: talk about come draft time because of exactly what even't 376 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: talked about, the electricity that comes with uh some of 377 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 3: these guys in the big playability that they might bring 378 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: to the table. So that's going to put an end 379 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 3: to the offensive portion of our podcast. And now, just 380 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 3: to give everybody a little bit of a heads up, 381 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: I know everybody's always listening to our draft podcasts, right, 382 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: we will have one more just ahead of the draft 383 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: where we'll sort of wrap it all up. We'll tie 384 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 3: things together and I'll put the guys on the spot 385 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: and have them come up with some first round picks 386 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 3: for the Patriots and the positions of need and all that. 387 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 3: So we'll tie that all together. 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