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Speaker 1: So, in response to three of our service members being

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Speaker 1: killed in Jordan, the US has now launched strikes in

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Speaker 1: two different countries, as of course, comes on top of

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Speaker 1: the strikes we had already launched in Yemen, so we

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Speaker 1: are now bombing three different countries. National Security Advisor Jake

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Speaker 1: Sullivan did a little media tour this weekend to try

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Speaker 1: are going forward. He says, we are not finished with

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Speaker 1: these strikes yet.

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen, well, George.

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Speaker 5: Part of the purpose of the strikes, the central purpose

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Speaker 5: of the strikes has been to take away capabilities from

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Speaker 5: the Iranian back malte is in Iraq and Syria that

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Speaker 5: are attacking our forces and from the huthies that continue

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Speaker 5: to threaten red sea shipping, and we believe they had

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Speaker 5: good effect in reducing degrading the capabilities of the militias

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Speaker 5: and of the Houthis, and as necessary, we will continue

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Speaker 2: So do you expect more retaliation for the strike against

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Speaker 5: Well, the first thing that I would say, and you

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Speaker 5: noted it at the top of your program, is that

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Speaker 5: this was the beginning of our response. There will be

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Speaker 5: more steps. Some of those steps will be seen, some

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Speaker 5: may not be seen, but there will be more action

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Speaker 5: taken to respond to the death of the tragic death

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Speaker 5: of the three brave US service members. And we cannot

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Speaker 5: rule out that there will be further attacks from Iranian

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Speaker 5: back militias in Iraq and Syria or from the Houthis.

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Speaker 5: We have to be clear O eight about that. The President,

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Speaker 5: in being clear eight about that, has told his military

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Speaker 1: So he says this is the beginning of our response.

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Speaker 1: He also says, hey, we can rule out that our

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Speaker 1: people are going to continue to be attacked. And we've

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Speaker 1: had something like over one hundred and sixty attacks attempted

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Speaker 1: attacks on our service members in the region, which raises

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Speaker 1: a whole host of questions. One of those questions being

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Speaker 1: aimed at Jake Sullivan by Kristin Welker. Hey, you guys

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Speaker 1: said you didn't want a wider war. Now here you

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Speaker 1: in that wider war situation?

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Speaker 6: Yet?

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Speaker 4: Let's sake, isn't His response?

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Speaker 3: Is the United States already in a wider war in

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Speaker 7: Jake?

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Speaker 5: What the United States is doing is responding to threats

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Speaker 5: as we see them, with significant but proportionate force.

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Speaker 3: But has the war? Has the war expanded in the region?

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Speaker 1: Jake?

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Speaker 5: Well, first, we don't accept that what's happening in the

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Speaker 5: Red Sea, for example, Kristin is entirely tied to the

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Speaker 5: war in Gaza because the Huthis are attacking shipping that

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Speaker 5: has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. So there are

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Speaker 5: connections among these things, to be sure, but these are

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Speaker 4: To Friday Night, I am sager.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I've ever seen someone look so incredibly

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Speaker 1: dead inside because he knows what he's saying is total nonsense.

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Speaker 1: This idea that oh with the Hohu zero, this has

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Speaker 4: Not to mention.

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Speaker 1: We know, as I've said many times, as pointed out

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Speaker 1: Israel is doing in Gaza. And then I don't know

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Speaker 1: how you did. You bomb three countries not to mention

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Speaker 1: it's all fine, there's no wider war. Here, like, how

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Speaker 2: One thing that really bothers me about this? Can we

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Speaker 2: put the map please up on the screen, just to

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Speaker 2: that were conducted. This was in Iraq and in Syria.

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Speaker 2: It excludes the strikes that happened in Yemen. Is what

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Speaker 2: you can see, Crystal, is that it took about a

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Speaker 2: By all accounts, it just seems like some command huts

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Speaker 2: and others were bombed and some low level militants were killed. Okay,

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Speaker 2: great in terms of a response. But here's the thing,

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Speaker 2: by their own accounts, on the ground, everybody knew that

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Speaker 2: But guess what, our people have nowhere to go. They're

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Speaker 2: still stuck on the same damn base. So they all moved.

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Speaker 3: We telegraphed what was going to happen.

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Speaker 2: You know, people responsible and all that long ago absconded

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Speaker 2: in the same barracks, with the same defense systems which failed,

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Speaker 2: you know, whenever that drone and stack happened on American

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Speaker 2: to get through, they remain sitting ducks. That's I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's why we can't obscure all this in terms of

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Speaker 3: It's not a game.

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Speaker 2: Already three Americans are dead, and it's like, well, they

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Speaker 2: you got to have this base in Syria. Case isis,

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Speaker 2: which has been dead for several years. It comes back

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Speaker 2: and it's like, what what are you talking about? Why

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Speaker 1: They can't even explain to the American people what actually

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Speaker 1: we're just getting pulled in, Like we have no other choice,

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Speaker 1: We're just getting pulled into this escalation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Number one, you don't have to be there. Number two,

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Speaker 1: you have complete control over what your response is. And

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Speaker 1: number three, you even have US officials admitting they know

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Speaker 1: the whole source of this conflict and the escalation is

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Speaker 1: what's going on in Gaza. But rather than dealing with

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Speaker 1: no de escalation until that.

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Speaker 4: Problem is solved. I mean, that is the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: So, yeah, you're absolutely right what they told the Israelis

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Speaker 1: is like, this is just the beginning of the response.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do more, because of course the Israelis

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Speaker 1: and get dragged in completely. So we're time to worry.

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Speaker 1: We're going to do so much more. We're giving which

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Speaker 1: this I mean, I support trying to avoid an escalatory

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Speaker 1: as you point out, to allow them to get sort

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Speaker 4: Strength through our bob exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that's the thing I mean, And that was

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Speaker 1: When Biden was asked, so are the strikes against the

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Speaker 1: are they working? No?

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Speaker 4: Are they going to continue?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: They know this isn't.

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Speaker 1: Going to degrade their capabilities or de escalate or do

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Speaker 1: anything on the sort. They just have this foreign policy

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Speaker 1: not going to de escalate the conflict. It's only going

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Speaker 1: it's complete insanity to your point, let's put up the latest.

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Speaker 1: There were more strikes targeted the Huthi's just in the

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Speaker 1: strikes on Saturday against multiple sites in Yemen controlled by

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Speaker 1: makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And so you increasingly have,

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Speaker 1: I mean hardly a day goes by where you don't

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Speaker 3: And some of things. It's like we're just doing this

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Speaker 2: Like you said, we gave them enough time that all

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Speaker 2: the people were look, we either kill them or we don't.

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Speaker 3: It's like what is the point.

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Speaker 2: Also, you know, I don't know if you know this,

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Speaker 2: we use B one bombers actually in these strikes. They

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Speaker 2: cost sixty thousand dollars an hour to fly sixty one

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Speaker 3: That's like a thirty some hour round trip.

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Speaker 2: This single strike cost millions of taxpayer dollars for what reason.

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Speaker 2: And it's like I can never just get around the

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Speaker 2: fact that we just seem to be playing like risk

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Speaker 2: if we're like, well, we gotta show them we're strong here.

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Speaker 2: And it's like there are real people whose lives were I.

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Speaker 3: Mean they were ended.

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Speaker 2: There were still people in critical condition in hospitals who

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Speaker 3: Okay, so then we have a decision to make.

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Speaker 2: Are going to kill the people who are responsible and

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Speaker 4: Out about it.

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Speaker 1: Net Yahoo responded, Israel takes action against all law breakers everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Israel and the heroic settlers. Those who are attacked, those

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Speaker 1: who are pelted with stones and attempt to hurt and

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Speaker 1: murder them are the heroic settlers in Judea and Samaria

443
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Speaker 1: their name for the West Bank. But this one, keep

444
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Speaker 1: this up on the screen is really incredible. Smochurch is

445
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Speaker 1: basically calling Biden anti Semitic. He says the settler violence

446
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Speaker 1: campaign is an anti Semitic lie that enemies of Israel

447
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Speaker 1: disseminate to smear the pioneering settlers and the settlement enterprise

448
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Speaker 1: and harm them and thus smear the entire state of Israel.

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Speaker 1: So you know the fact that this is like policy

450
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Speaker 1: is sort of pathetic ass covering some sort of you know,

451
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Speaker 1: stop to attempt to win back some portion of the

452
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Speaker 1: Arab American population, which certainly is not going to happen

453
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Speaker 1: so long as we're you know, backing the net Yaho

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Speaker 1: government in every other way. That doesn't mean that the

455
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Speaker 1: Israelis aren't going to completely freak out about it because

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Speaker 1: they're not used to being checked by this administration in

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Speaker 1: any way whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they're not really check it used to

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Speaker 2: getting checked by the US government.

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Speaker 3: It does demonstrate again to me that.

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Speaker 2: You know, the arm of the empire is long, and

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Speaker 2: you know, like I said, just because you can bitch

463
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Speaker 2: and moan, but your banks are going to have to

464
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Speaker 2: cut your ass off if you want to do business

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Speaker 2: with us. And this is again, this is where I

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Speaker 2: have to come back to. This is Israel. It's not Russia.

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Speaker 2: It's not China. Russia has got a lot of oil,

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Speaker 2: it's got a abilitary base.

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Speaker 3: China is the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they may not have as much oil, but

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Speaker 2: they have a lot of industry.

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Speaker 3: They can build their own things.

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Speaker 2: This is a tiny little strip of land which relies

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Speaker 2: predominantly on exports and imports in order to keep their

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Speaker 2: economy functioning. So when you're in that situation, you need

476
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Speaker 2: to maintain ties with the global financial system, with everybody

477
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Speaker 2: with You need the Red Sea to be functioning, and

478
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Speaker 2: all these things to have the basics of the modern

479
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Speaker 2: Israeli way of life, which is like a first world

480
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Speaker 2: European standard. It costs a lot to bring all these

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Speaker 2: things in and in that then you need the support

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Speaker 2: of the European Union, the United States, Russia, and China,

483
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Speaker 2: and are you're beginning to lose support. And you know,

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Speaker 2: with all of these actors even here, for America to

485
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Speaker 2: put sanctions on the West Bank, it may be, as

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Speaker 2: you said a couple of people, it's still a pretty

487
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Speaker 2: extraordinary It doesn't happen, you know, all that much in

488
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Speaker 2: modern history. So for that to for us to be

489
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Speaker 2: in a part where this is being imposed and the

490
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Speaker 2: standards and all that are being set, the overall showdown

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Speaker 2: is going to happen at some point, because at a

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Speaker 2: certain point, let's say with the ceasefire, we're going to

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Speaker 2: have a two month seaspire. Let's say that happens and

494
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Speaker 2: the Israelis are torn about whether to restart or not,

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Speaker 2: it's still going to come down to the fact that

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Speaker 2: the United States policy and the Arab policy as well,

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Speaker 2: is to demand a two state solution. And then the

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Speaker 2: question will come to America and others, are we going

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Speaker 2: tom imposed sanctions on people who are in direct violation

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Speaker 2: of overall American policy under Biden?

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Speaker 3: That may not be. The answer may not be yes,

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Speaker 3: but the answer may be yes sometime in the future.

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Speaker 2: And as we have seen now we have the Clint

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Speaker 2: administration and dealt with this problem and forward like this

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Speaker 2: is you know, the Carter administration, the generation before.

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Speaker 3: Them, This is not going away.

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Speaker 2: And so when you open these types of things as

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Speaker 2: policies for them as a country, it is genuinely existential.

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Speaker 1: There was a remarkable interview with Inamar Ben Gavier by

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, which had a lot of pieces

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Speaker 1: which are quite noteworthy. Now, as I've been pointing out,

512
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Speaker 1: he and Smotrich are willing to throw their weight around

513
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Speaker 1: Netna who has you know, is barely holding on to

514
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Speaker 1: power by his fingertips, and it's becoming increasingly impossible to

515
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Speaker 1: keep this coalition together. Israeli's overwhelmingly want Netnaho gone, and

516
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Speaker 1: he basically is just there as long as the war

517
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Speaker 1: goes on. Which is why he wants the work to

518
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Speaker 1: go on and definitely put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 1: They lay out in this Wall Street Journal piece the

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Speaker 1: headline Israeli firebrand driving netanyahuo further to the right and

521
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Speaker 1: of our Ben Gavier spells on his plan for resettling

522
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Speaker 1: Gaza that would be a cleansing during a rare interview

523
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Speaker 1: and says Trump would be better for Israel than President Biden.

524
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's shows you how crazy these people are,

525
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Speaker 1: is that he doesn't think that Biden has gone far

526
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Speaker 1: enough when this man has given unconditional support, rushed weapons there,

527
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Speaker 1: circumvented US policy in order to do so, etc. Etc.

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Speaker 1: But he thinks Trump would even provide them an even

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Speaker 1: freer hand. It wouldn't even do the little like symbolic

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Speaker 1: hand ringing that Biden does. Basically, But what they write

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Speaker 1: here is Ben Gavier told the Wall Street Journal net

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Speaker 1: Yahoo is quote at a crossroads and he has to

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Speaker 1: choose in what direction he will go. He's got enough support,

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Speaker 1: Ben Gavier does in the ruling coalition to undermine Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's rule, and he says he is willing

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Speaker 1: to use it. In his first interview with a foreign

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Speaker 1: news organization since joining the government. Ben Gavier warned he

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Speaker 1: would oppose any deal with Hamas that would free thousands

539
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Speaker 1: of Palestinians held for terrorism or end the war before

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Speaker 1: Hamas was fully defeatable Hamas, there is no military solution

541
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Speaker 1: to Hamas. As their own policy makers, I've said this

542
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Speaker 1: has probably only strengthened Hamas for the long term. An

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Speaker 1: increasing portion of Israelis they write, especially on the right,

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Speaker 1: instead of you the October seventh attack as a chance

545
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Speaker 1: to start a new course for Israel by resettling the

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Speaker 1: battlescuarred enclave. Ben Gaverer laid on his own plan for Gaza,

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Speaker 1: which would repopulate the devastated coastal strip with Israeli settlements

548
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Speaker 1: while Palestinians would be offered financial incentives to leave. That

549
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Speaker 1: was part of what was outlined at that ethnic cleansing

550
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Speaker 1: resettlement conference that ivered recently that we covered here on

551
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Speaker 1: the show recently as well. Ben Gavier also said he

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Speaker 1: thought the Biden administration was hampering Israel's war effort, and

553
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Speaker 1: said he believed Republican presidential Canada Donald Trump would give

554
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Speaker 1: Israel a freer hand to quash Hamas. Ben Gavier's approaches

555
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Speaker 1: gaining popularity, wants a fringe idea. A small majority of

556
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Speaker 1: Jewish Israelis now fully or somewhat support the establishment of

557
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Speaker 1: Jewish settlements inside Gaza, according to a poll conducted by

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Speaker 1: Tel Aviv University last month. So Sagar, he is actively

559
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Speaker 1: threatening to blow up the net Yahoo coalition if any

560
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Speaker 1: sort of a ceasefires agree to, Which is why it's

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Speaker 1: so important that you have the US willing on the

562
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Speaker 1: other side to use some sort of leverage and actual

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Speaker 1: power in order to secure and end to this because

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a disaster for Palestinians and for Israelis.

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Speaker 1: It's a disaster for us, for our interest in the region,

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Speaker 1: for our service members, etc.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just going to wait and see what happens.

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Speaker 2: That's why we're highlighting that interview is because if we

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Speaker 2: do have a ceasefire, he very much could move and

570
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Speaker 2: he could blow up the government and then who they

571
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Speaker 2: all knows what comes next, truly have no idea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, the media continuing to cover themselves

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Speaker 1: in glory in their coverage of this conflict, and some

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Speaker 1: truly shocking pieces were published over the weekend. That we

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Speaker 1: had to take note of. This first one is just

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Speaker 1: I genuinely can't believe they published this. Put this up

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Speaker 1: on the screen wall Street Journal. Welcome to Dearborn, America's

579
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Speaker 1: jihad capital in Moms and politicians in the Michigan city

580
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: side with Hamas against Israel and Iran against the US.

581
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Speaker 1: This whole piece is insane. I mean, they smear this

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Speaker 1: American city, which has a majority Arab American population outside

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Speaker 1: of Detroit, as being full of terrorists and gie hottists.

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Speaker 1: Of course, there have not been any terror attacks or

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Speaker 1: incidents in the city of Dearborn. Furthermore, they smear this

586
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Speaker 1: entire city, of course, based on the actions or words

587
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Speaker 1: of a few. They also use things like protest chants

588
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Speaker 1: to try to claim they're supporting Hamas or supporting terrorism, etc.

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Speaker 1: Here's a line from it they say open support for

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Speaker 1: Hamas is spreading. Since October seven, similar protests have occur

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Speaker 1: in major American cities featuring pro g hottest imagery, chants

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Speaker 1: and slogans. Rallies are now also expressing support for the

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Speaker 1: Iran Bakhoufi's who are lobbying missiles at Israel and trying

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Speaker 1: to sink commercial vessels in the Red Sea. What's happening

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Speaker 1: in Dearborn, they say, isn't simply a political problem for Democrats.

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Speaker 1: It's potentially a national security issue affecting all Americans. Counter

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Speaker 1: Terrorism agencies at all levels should pay close attention, so Sager,

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Speaker 1: as if it's not enough to level this racist smear

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Speaker 1: against an entire city, they also want to call in

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Speaker 1: the FBI and CIA to make sure to investigate and

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Speaker 1: surveil the residents of this city as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the thing is is if you're going to say

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Speaker 2: it's an America's jihad capital, that you're going to provide

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Speaker 2: evidence of the vast majority of the people in the

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Speaker 2: city actually support terrorism. And as usual in this conflict,

606
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: like when you actually look at it, they are people

607
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Speaker 2: who are supporting a Palestinian state or who are protesting

608
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Speaker 2: against these really military campaign It's the exact inverse of saying,

609
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Speaker 2: like any criticism of Israel is anti Semitic, because it's

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Speaker 2: conflating religion with a conflict over land. It's like, that's

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Speaker 2: what actually drives me the craziest about this entire thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, and I know I'm dispassionate because I don't

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Speaker 2: particularly care who controls the land or whatever, and you

614
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Speaker 2: can look at it through more for our you know,

615
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Speaker 2: in terms of interest. But the conflation religiously with land

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Speaker 2: over a centuriled conflict which is far less old than

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Speaker 2: the actual religions themselves does nobody good. And whenever he cites,

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Speaker 2: you know, supposed evidence or any of these within there,

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Speaker 2: he highlights like a few leaders or moms or others,

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Speaker 2: and doesn't talk about the actual population. We spoke to

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Speaker 2: the mayor who was popularly elected. He says, I'm concerned

622
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Speaker 2: about civilian casualties in Gaza, and that's why I may

623
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Speaker 2: not support Biden. Okay, that's not terrorism. You can agree

624
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Speaker 2: or disagree. Again, it is a totally legitimate position I

625
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Speaker 2: think to hold in US politics. And so yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: a smear. There's no other way to say it. And

627
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Speaker 2: you know, you could flip it and just say, I mean,

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Speaker 2: what if I, you know, I live in a in

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Speaker 2: a neighborhood with a lot of Jews, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people who are very pro israel I sent you a

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Speaker 2: picture about the gay Pride flag with the Israeli with

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Speaker 2: the Israeli flag super imposed on it. What if you

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Speaker 2: were to say that these people are all dual nationals

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Speaker 2: and are not real American citizens. You cannot say that,

635
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Speaker 2: you know, like, yeah, they support it, Okay, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: You know whatever.

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Speaker 2: You're very juiciar, but you cannot smear them without actually

638
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: knowing their character and what they call for. Now, accusations

639
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: of dual loyalty are I think legitimate. If we're talking

640
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Speaker 2: about individual actors who have in the past said that

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Speaker 2: they have a direct allegiance to a foreign country, fine,

642
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Speaker 2: but you cannot say that to an overall group of people,

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Speaker 2: especially when you do not have evidence about it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's absolutely outrageous. The mayor did respond and

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Speaker 1: put this up on the screen. He said, it's twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four in the Wall Street Journal, still pushing out

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Speaker 1: this type of garbage, reckless, bigoted, Islamophobic. Dearborn is one

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Speaker 1: of the greatest American cities in our nation, fastest growing

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Speaker 1: city in Michigan, home to the number one travel destination

650
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Speaker 1: in Michigan. That's the Greenfield Village, Henry Ford Museum, home

651
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Speaker 1: of the Ford Motor Company.

652
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Speaker 4: Coffee, food, food culture.

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Speaker 1: Capital of Michigan, and among the most diversities in Michigan.

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Speaker 1: This was so egregious that even President Biden was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I gotta say something about this one, especially

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Speaker 1: as he was heading you know, to Michigan, and like,

657
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Speaker 1: is at least somewhat aware that this has become a

658
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Speaker 1: massive issue, potentially terminal issue for his presidential campaign. Put

659
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Speaker 1: that up on the screen. Issue this sort of like

660
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Speaker 1: weakned you know, no place for hate thing. Americans know

661
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Speaker 1: that blaming a group of people based on the words

662
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Speaker 1: of a small view is wrong. That's exactly what can

663
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Speaker 1: lead to Islamophobia and anti Erab hate. And it shouldn't

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Speaker 1: happen to the residents of Dearborn or any American town.

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Speaker 1: We must continue to condemn hate in all forms. And

666
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Speaker 1: there's also an element of this saga I think that's

667
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Speaker 1: quite central to this.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it.

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Speaker 1: Really is such a post two thousand and one flashback.

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Speaker 1: There's the use of fear to try to you know,

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Speaker 1: bolster the national security state. There's the you know, just

672
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Speaker 1: smearing of entire groups of people. There's the conflating of

673
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Speaker 1: free speech and political dissent with terrorism and support for terrorism,

674
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Speaker 1: which is completely you know, outrageous and insane, so just

675
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Speaker 1: absolutely disgusting and wild that this was able to make

676
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Speaker 1: it to the pages of a prominent newspaper, and I.

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Speaker 3: Mean I looked into it.

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Speaker 2: It's from the Middle Least Research Memory, which is an organization.

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Speaker 2: You're indeed, this is all like goes back to, you know,

680
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Speaker 2: some of the some of the g hot watch days

681
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Speaker 2: of early two thousands.

682
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Speaker 3: So it's not actually all that surprising whenever we consider it.

683
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Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, kind of crap was used to justify an

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Speaker 1: expansion of the surveillance and security capabilities of the state

685
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Speaker 1: that will never be rolled back and only get expanded further.

686
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Speaker 3: So that's amazing, very rare. If you read it.

687
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Speaker 2: He's like, oh, in National Security, FBI and all these

688
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 2: other people should take advantage.

689
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Speaker 3: I'm like, listen, we watched it all happened.

690
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Speaker 2: The post nine level security state pivoted after the Iraq

691
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Speaker 2: War and after the so called terrorism and using Entrappman

692
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Speaker 2: and all of this. How do you think that Whitmer

693
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Speaker 2: kidnapping case or whatever you want to call it actually

694
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Speaker 2: came to occur. They got a lot of practice and

695
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Speaker 2: snaring and and trapping a lot of people. And now

696
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Speaker 2: this is my personal favorite. I've always hated Thomas Friedman

697
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: because he's like a good reasons for that somebody, you know,

698
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Speaker 2: the Big Bang Theory, that show is very popular, and

699
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Speaker 2: somebody said, this is a dumb person's idea of what

700
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Speaker 2: a smart person would talk. So that's kind of how

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Speaker 2: I think of Thomas Rereadman. He is a dumb person's

702
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Speaker 2: idea of what a foreign policy intellectual would look like.

703
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 2: And his more excent column highlights that. Let's put this

704
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Speaker 2: up there on the screen. He says, Understanding the Middle

705
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Speaker 2: East through the Animal Kingdom.

706
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Speaker 4: Oh, that's going to go well.

707
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Speaker 2: Now, keep in mind that this is the man who

708
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Speaker 2: has often talked about his excitement and insight into Middle

709
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Speaker 2: Eastern politics by talking to taxi drivers while he's abroad, notoriously,

710
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: of course, the best people.

711
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Speaker 3: To tell you about what's going on.

712
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the next part here to explain the situation,

713
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Speaker 2: he says, the US is like an old lion. We

714
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Speaker 2: are still the king of the Middle East jungle, more

715
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Speaker 2: powerful than any of us to go actor, but we

716
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Speaker 2: are a tired lion. That's why other predators are no

717
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 2: longer afraid to test us. Iran is like a parasitoid

718
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,240
Speaker 2: wasp is to nature. Now, is there a better description

719
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Speaker 2: of Lebanon, Yemen? Syria and Iraq today they are the caterpillars.

720
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Speaker 2: The irgc is the wasp, the hoho these hesibla hamas

721
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Speaker 2: cut up hasbula are all the eggs that hatch inside

722
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Speaker 2: of the host lebanon Ye and Syria nic rock and

723
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Speaker 2: eat it out from the inside out. We have no

724
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Speaker 2: counter strategy that safely and efficiently kills the wasp without

725
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 2: setting fire to the whole jungle. Now look, I get

726
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: what he's going for. I guess that said I would

727
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Speaker 2: generally avoid animal metaphors whenever we're talking about people and others.

728
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Speaker 2: But the other thing is, this doesn't even make any sense,

729
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Speaker 2: this idea of parasitoid wasp old lions.

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Speaker 3: First of all, those don't exist in the same place.

731
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Speaker 2: But second, I mean, why can't you just describe the

732
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Speaker 2: situation for what it is.

733
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Speaker 3: Why don't we have to use the animal kingdom metaphor

734
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Speaker 3: at all?

735
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Speaker 2: Why we're like, well, the US is a preeminent hegemon

736
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: in the region or regional power, it has diminishing influence.

737
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Speaker 2: Iran is a rising hegemon which has satellite states much

738
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Speaker 2: like Europe. It SARTs like Russia does in the post

739
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: Soviet Union. It's not a difficult concept for people to understand,

740
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Speaker 2: and I would act say that I would come away

741
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Speaker 2: from this if I knew nothing even more confused about

742
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Speaker 2: the situation.

743
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Speaker 3: So it's not even a particularly helpful explainer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not to mention, not a great idea to compare

745
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: human beings to insects and vermin at a time when

746
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 1: the ICJ and the US Court just plausibly found that

747
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Speaker 1: israel'ski being genocide. Just gonna throw that out there, Not

748
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: really a great idea. He closed that column by saying,

749
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Speaker 1: sometimes I contemplate the Middle East by watching CNN. Other

750
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Speaker 1: times I prefer Animal Planet. Okay, imagine you said that

751
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: about Africa. Yeah, well, how would people like that? It

752
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Speaker 1: should be the exact same reaction. I think Ryan tweeted like,

753
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Speaker 1: first of all, it seems like he was like on

754
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Speaker 1: shrooms or something when he wrote this. And second of all,

755
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: how the hell did any editor not look at this

756
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Speaker 1: and be like, you can't compare human beings to animals,

757
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Speaker 1: let alone insects, and think that this is going to

758
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Speaker 1: be okay? Not to mention on top of like, outside

759
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: of the racism and the detail humanization, this doesn't make

760
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 1: any goddamn sense howl. Was there no one at the

761
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: New York Times, which supposedly cares about racism. How did

762
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Speaker 1: no one look at this and say, you know what,

763
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Speaker 1: maybe let's cut this one out and try for a

764
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Speaker 1: different a different draft that doesn't compare human beings to

765
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Speaker 1: watching the Animal Planet. Not that watching CNN is a

766
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Speaker 1: better choice in terms of understanding the Middle East.

767
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Speaker 3: Actually that's worse. It does appear to have been deleted.

768
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Speaker 2: But they haven't so I'm on his byline. It is

769
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Speaker 2: no longer there. It was available yesterday. That's why we

770
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Speaker 2: had those screenshots. So maybe they did take it down.

771
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Speaker 1: I think when I looked it up yesterday it was

772
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Speaker 1: hard to find, but it was still there. They sort

773
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Speaker 1: of like buried it under a bunch of other columns.

774
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Speaker 2: It is no longer there under his byline. It was

775
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Speaker 2: yesterday whenever we were preparing for the segment.

776
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Speaker 1: At the same time, CNN's own staffers are calling them

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Speaker 1: out for what they described as journalistic malpractices. According to

778
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Speaker 1: report from The Guardian, we can put this up on

779
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: the screen. This is pretty wild, so CNN staffsa As

780
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Speaker 1: Networks Pro Israel slant amounts to journalistic malpractice.

781
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Speaker 4: The majority of News.

782
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Speaker 1: This is according to one stafford that they interviewed, since

783
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 1: the war began, regardless of how accurate the initial reporting

784
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: has been skewed by a systemic and institutional bias within

785
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: the network towards Israel. Ultimately, CNN's coverage of the Israel

786
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: Gaza war amounts to journalistic malpractice, according to accounts from

787
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Speaker 1: six CNN staffords in multiple newsrooms and more than a

788
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: dozen internal memos and emails obtained by The Guardian. Daily

789
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 1: news decisions are shaped by a flow of directives from

790
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Speaker 1: the CNN headquarters in Atlanta that have set strict guidelines

791
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Speaker 1: on covers. They include tight restrictions unquoting Hamas and reporting

792
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: other Palestinian perspectives while Israeli government statements are taken at

793
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: face value. In addition, every story on the conflict must

794
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: be cleared by the Jerusalem Bureau before broadcast or publication.

795
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: The Guardian here basically confirming the reporting of Daniel Boguslaw

796
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: at the Intercept, which we covered at the time, that

797
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: CNN has made a conscious choice to root all of

798
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Speaker 1: their Israel coverage and Gaza coverage through the Djuri slam Burero,

799
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: which is subject to this IDF censorship regime, and so

800
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 1: every story that goes in comes down on the other

801
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 1: side with the you know, language downplayed and Palestinians dehumanized,

802
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: and of course Israeli government statements are immediately greenland and included,

803
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:21,479
Speaker 1: Palestinian perspectives downplayed or erased altogether. There was a piece

804
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: in here because you know, we've covered there have been

805
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: like last week I covered the how Jeremy Diamond, one

806
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: of CNN's reporters, stumbled on they actually drove him through

807
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: a desecrated cemetery and he was like, hey, what the

808
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: hell is going on with this and caught them in

809
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Speaker 1: a complete live So I don't want to say they

810
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: haven't done any valuable reporting, but apparently those on the

811
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: ground reports, which have at times been fairly solid, are

812
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 1: vastly downplayed on the US version of CNN, And you know,

813
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Speaker 1: everything else that gets rooted through this Jerusalem bureau is

814
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Speaker 1: just you know, classic, Like the language for Israelis is

815
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: very evocative, it's very visceral. The language for Palestinians is

816
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, killed in a blast, no lay in assignment,

817
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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera, as we've shown before, so really

818
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Speaker 1: confirming what the intercept showed before.

819
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, once again, it's one of those

820
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Speaker 2: where we show Israeli statements and Palestinian statements all the time.

821
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Speaker 3: I don't see why it's all that difficult.

822
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Speaker 2: You can just parse both and be skeptical and just

823
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Speaker 2: be like, Okay, here's what one side said, and here's

824
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Speaker 2: what the other side said, and they.

825
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Speaker 3: Just decide that they don't want to do that.

826
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Speaker 2: The thing is for them, and I think this in

827
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Speaker 2: general is they they're in a place where if you're

828
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Speaker 2: going to have people sign off from the Jerusalem Bureau,

829
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Speaker 2: then what's the point even in speaking out or whatever.

830
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Speaker 2: It's like, clearly these they have committed themselves to a narrative,

831
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Speaker 2: to access and to all that. To a certain extent,

832
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Speaker 2: I understand because how they're probably just kick you out

833
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: of the country. But you need to have a lot

834
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Speaker 2: more disclosure, which is what I appreciated in the past

835
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Speaker 2: when they would air some of these things, as opposed

836
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Speaker 2: to some of the silent things they were like listen,

837
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Speaker 2: in order to film inside Gaza, we had to provide

838
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Speaker 2: to this the IDF and they straight up censor whatever

839
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Speaker 2: they want. But the silent censorship that goes through, you know,

840
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Speaker 2: on the back end that they don't disclose. That's actually

841
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Speaker 2: what I think is the most punish it's.

842
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Speaker 1: Very pernishe yes, it's really prodicious. And you know, there

843
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 1: have been multiple analyzes. I think also some of these

844
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Speaker 1: were by the intercept as well. At the language that's

845
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Speaker 1: used to describe Palestinians versus the language that's used to

846
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Speaker 1: describe Israeli's, how much Israeli deaths are covered versus actually

847
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Speaker 1: is the Palestinian death toll rows they got covered less.

848
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Speaker 1: So these do represent, you know, not a one off.

849
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Speaker 1: You know, this particular story maybe shouldn't have compared the

850
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Speaker 1: Middle East to the Animal Kingdom. It really does represent

851
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: a systematic bias at CNN in particular. But the truth

852
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: of the matter is a similar bias has been proven

853
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 1: by that type of analysis at basically.

854
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Speaker 4: Every Western media outlet.

855
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Speaker 1: But I have to say, to have your own journalists

856
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: saying that what you're doing amounts to journalistic malpractice is

857
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: pretty extraordinary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Chris, Well, what do you take a look.

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Speaker 1: At Another day, another hefty load of evidence for the

860
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Speaker 1: hegg against Israel. The IDF has been forced to admit

861
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Speaker 1: that they have been running a propaganda channel on telegram

862
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Speaker 1: aimed at Israeli citizens that featured snuff films of Palestinians

863
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: being murdered, dehumanized as insects and vermin, their bodies desecrated,

864
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Speaker 1: and the destruction of Gaza glorified. Here are the details.

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Speaker 1: The channel, named seventy two Virgins Uncensored, celebrated everything from

866
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Speaker 1: a Palestinian being repeatedly run over to a mother grieving

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Speaker 1: over her son, to the destruction of places of worship

868
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Speaker 1: and reduction of Gaza City to rubble. The existence of

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Speaker 1: the channel has been known for some time, as created

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Speaker 1: on October ninth. Haretes was the first mainstream outlet to

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Speaker 1: cover its existence in early December of last year. Now,

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Speaker 1: in that first report they were able to cite a

873
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: senior military official who anonymously confirmed that the IDF was

874
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Speaker 1: in fact directing the channel at the time. However, the

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Speaker 1: IDF denied those claims. Now in a follow up, the

876
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Speaker 1: IDEA has been forced to admit that their own propaganda

877
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Speaker 1: unit was behind seventy two Virgins the whole time. Here

878
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Speaker 1: is Haretes with that reporting quote reversing an earlier denial,

879
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 1: is railing Millik military officials have admitted that the Telegram

880
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Speaker 1: Channel seventy two versions uncensored, was operated by members of

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Speaker 1: a department of the Israeli Defense Forces Operations Directorate. The

882
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 1: admission comes after a Haretz published an expose on the

883
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Speaker 1: channel last month, which led to an internal investigation into

884
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Speaker 1: the matter. The probe, conducted by Major General od Ed Basiak,

885
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Speaker 1: head of the Operations Directorate, found that the information led

886
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 1: to the original denial that the channel was operated by

887
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: or on behalf of the army was incorrect and relied

888
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: on misinformation relaid by members of the Influencing Department. In

889
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: the wake of these findings, the unit's wartime commander is

890
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: to end his military service. So now the idea of

891
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 1: claims that the Influencing Department was in fact running the channel,

892
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 1: but they were just freelancing doing so without authorization. Can

893
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: make your own judgments about how accurate this new version

894
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: of the story is. Haretes also documented some of the

895
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Speaker 1: genocidal language, gore, and war crimes that were celebrated on

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Speaker 1: this channel. Quote in October eleventh post read burning their mother.

897
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: You won't believe the video we got. You can hear

898
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Speaker 1: their bones crunch We'll post it right away, get ready.

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Speaker 1: Photos of Palestinian men captured by the IDF in the

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Speaker 1: strip and the bodies of what they describe as terrorists

901
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: were captioned exterminating the roaches, exterminating the hamas rats share

902
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: this beauty. A video of a soldier allegedly dipping machine

903
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: gun bullets and pork fat is captioned what a man

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Speaker 1: grease's bullets with lard. You won't get your virgins. Another

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Speaker 1: caption was garbage juice another dead terrorist. You have to

906
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 1: watch it with the sound you'll die laughing. Analyst Knox

907
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Speaker 1: Bilaal has been tracking the content on the channel as well.

908
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Speaker 1: According to Blal, on seventy two Virgins, you could find

909
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: this video of buildings in Gaza being demolished. Each time

910
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: one is reduced to rubble, the twirling manora on the

911
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: screen gets another candle. The caption reads, burn Gaza down.

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Speaker 1: You can also find some of the images that horrified

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Speaker 1: the world but apparently delighted the Israeli audience of seventy

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Speaker 1: two Virgins, Men and young boys being detained and humiliated

915
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Speaker 1: in Gaza. Here's what they apparently considered a whole larious

916
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Speaker 1: post advertising a destroyed building as if it was luxury

917
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Speaker 1: real estate. Gaza six rooms, three hundred and sixty degree view,

918
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Speaker 1: spacious roof street with lots of parking exclusively for sale.

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Speaker 1: For those interested, a pool can be added.

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Speaker 4: Lol.

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Speaker 1: Many commentators have been shocked by the willingness of IDF

922
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Speaker 1: soldiers to publish tiktoks advertising their war crimes and atrocities

923
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Speaker 1: to the world. Incredibly, the shock was often at their

924
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: willingness to publish these crimes, rather than the commission of

925
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: the crimes themselves. But here we have the propaganda unit

926
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Speaker 1: of the IDF itself running a snuff aggregation channel. It

927
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,839
Speaker 1: makes several things really quite clear. First, far from being

928
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Speaker 1: ashamed of their war crimes, the IDF in the Israeli

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Speaker 1: government want Jewish Israelis to know just how brutal they

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Speaker 1: are actually being, how complete the destruction and annihilation and suffering.

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Speaker 1: After all, remember the polls found only one point eight

932
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Speaker 1: percent of Israeli Jews thought the IDF were using too

933
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Speaker 1: much firepower, nearly sixty percent that they were not using enough.

934
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Speaker 1: And since the IDEF can't actually accomplish any of their

935
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Speaker 1: supposed military objectives, brutality is meant to substitute for success.

936
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Speaker 1: After all, Hamas is not destroyed, the idea has killed

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Speaker 1: more of their own hostages than they have rescued. The

938
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Speaker 1: tunnel system is largely intact, and far from creating a

939
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Speaker 1: shock in the population that would lead them to abandon

940
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Speaker 1: their fight, the Israelis have only strengthened the logic of

941
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Speaker 1: violent resistance among Palestinians. Domestically, Israel suffering a tremendous economic

942
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: blow and echin closer to outright global Paria's status having

943
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: already been found to be plausibly committing genocide. Even the

944
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Speaker 1: pathetic and genocide of Betting Biden administration, alongside the pathetic

945
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Speaker 1: and genocide of Betting Stunac UK government are considering unilateral

946
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: recognition of a Palestinian state.

947
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Speaker 4: Hamas is likely strengthened, and.

948
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Speaker 1: The security of the Israeli people has only been further compromised.

949
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Speaker 1: So gore horror and incitement to genocide are proffered as

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Speaker 1: a way to cover for the abject, systematic failure to

951
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: accomplish any of these supposed goals of this up. The

952
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 1: idea of atrocity. Tiktoks are not a bug, but a

953
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: feature of this system, not just allowed, but encouraged After all,

954
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: this entire seventy two versions channel was sustained and populated

955
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Speaker 1: with multiple posts daily, including confidential operational details, four months

956
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Speaker 1: by the very unit dedicated to putting out the version

957
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Speaker 1: of the war and the messaging on the war that

958
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Speaker 1: the official powers that be wont to see propagated. I'm

959
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,720
Speaker 1: reminded of Harad's recent report from the ethnic cleansing conference

960
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: just held in Israel, intended by more than a dozen

961
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Speaker 1: government ministers. According to their journalists there on the ground,

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Speaker 1: the most rapturous response was reserved for exactly this type

963
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Speaker 1: of content quote. The biggest response came for videos of

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Speaker 1: soldiers in Gaza calling for the strip to be resettled,

965
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: shouting out that there are no innocence or photographing themselves

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Speaker 1: with banners for the Katif Block, that is, the former

967
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Speaker 1: settlements in the Gaza Strip.

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Speaker 4: So stop being.

969
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: Puzzled by the mystery of idea of soldiers filming their atrocities.

970
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: These same tiktoks, which spark revulsion around the globe are

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00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: met with awe and admiration by the domestic population on

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Speaker 1: whom Net and Yahoo and Code depend on for their

973
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: grip on power. The soldiers committing those crimes, they're celebrated

974
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: as heroes. Now it is cold comfort for the Palestinians

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00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: who are being subjected to torture, servation, mass killings, and complete

976
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: annihilation of their civil society. But every one of these

977
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 1: incidents makes it that much more difficult for the Israeli

978
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 1: government to wriggle their way out of those ICJ genocide charges.

979
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Speaker 1: How can you argue that Bebe's calls to destroy Analek,

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00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: or President Herzog's declaration that there are no inn and civilians,

981
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,439
Speaker 1: or Defense Secretary galantz comment that they are fighting human

982
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Speaker 1: animals be taken as anything other than official government policy

983
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Speaker 1: when the idea is running a channel to glorify actions

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Speaker 1: entirely consistent with these genocidal comments.

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Speaker 4: How can you possibly view these.

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Speaker 1: Comments and actions as fringe when they're being pushed as

987
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,839
Speaker 1: the official face of the war by the idea of

988
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: Propaganda Unit. The genocidal snuff films broadcast by seventy two

989
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Speaker 1: Virgins are official God from It policy and Sagara.

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Speaker 4: I think it's important for people.

991
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Speaker 2: To recognet and if you want to hear my reaction

992
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Speaker 2: to Crystal's monologue, become a premium subscriber today.

993
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Speaker 3: At Breakingpoints dot Com.

994
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: The lever was able to get their hands on some

995
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: internal documents from a PAC tremendous force in US politics,

996
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: revealing some of their top donors. We can go ahead

997
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen headline here inside

998
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: the Israel Lobby's new ninety million dollar war chest. Internal

999
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: APAC materials reveal huge gifts from moguls and the strategies

1000
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 1: lobbyists used to score the cash. Joining us now in

1001
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: order to break down that bombshell report is senior Enterprise

1002
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Speaker 1: reporter for the Level Lever Amos Barshad. Great to have you, Amos, welcome,

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00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: thank you, great to be here. Yeah, of course, just

1004
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit to start with about what

1005
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: you found here. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So basically we were able, to the course of our

1007
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Speaker 6: reporting learn a good amount about you know, internal APEC

1008
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 6: UH information, namely donors UH these are not donors that

1009
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 6: are public under you know, election disclosure laws, and also

1010
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 6: specifically the amount of money that has come in kind

1011
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 6: of at the end of twenty twenty three UH.

1012
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 7: And then from there also some.

1013
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 6: Of the UH manners in which they were able to

1014
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 6: solicit the donations, the h the actual kind of talking

1015
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,280
Speaker 6: points and you know, effectively the way that APEX speaks

1016
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 6: to its own donors, which is, you know, despite you know,

1017
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 6: the APAX long and well well covered history.

1018
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 6: You know, as far as being a political player, this

1020
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 6: is not stuff that has previously been covered at length.

1021
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 2: So tell us tell us about some of the people

1022
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: that you were able to uncover, Amos.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot of finance, private equity individuals, a

1024
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 6: good amount of kind of well known founders of companies

1025
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Speaker 6: from from uh, companies like Zoomba, the founder of the

1026
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 6: Sharper Image.

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00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 7: The name h one name.

1029
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 6: In particular that that may be well known or at

1030
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 6: least the company may be well known, as the the

1031
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 6: owner of only Fans, the internet platform that's kind of

1032
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 6: well known for the adult content.

1033
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Speaker 7: Uh. Leon named Dvinsky. Uh, we should say that he

1034
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 7: denied being a donor.

1035
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 6: Uh, but there was some information specifically uh wire transfer

1036
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 6: from his wife to a pac which which we weren't

1037
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 6: able to get comment on from him.

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Speaker 1: So I actually have that part of the report if

1039
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: I could just read it, because it's kind of entertaining.

1040
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: You say that three individuals name on the list denied

1041
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: being donors. That includes Leon d Ardvinsky, the billionaire owner

1042
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: of OnlyFans. According to the internal documents, Radvinsky and his

1043
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: wife pledged eleven million to a pack, the most of

1044
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: anyone listed.

1045
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Speaker 4: Quote.

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Speaker 1: I didn't donate or pledge eleven million, Radvinski wrote in

1047
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: an email, and supplies to me my foundation, my family.

1048
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: When the lever asked Radvinsky why APAC had listed him

1049
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: as a donor, he replied, I don't know. When the

1050
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: lever asked Radvinsky to comment on internal APAC documentation showing

1051
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: a wire transfer from his wife to a PAC, Radvinsky

1052
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: stopped responding. So once you showed him the actual documentation,

1053
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: suddenly he didn't have any more to say.

1054
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Speaker 6: We asked him to comment, We yeah, just to specify.

1055
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Speaker 6: We didn't share the actual documentation. We asked comment on that.

1056
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1057
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Speaker 6: The whole the whole experience of reporting this was very

1058
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 6: interesting and at times colorful and intense. Yeah, basically cold

1059
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Speaker 6: calling billionaires and.

1060
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Speaker 7: They don't like that. But yeah, you know, I think

1061
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Speaker 7: at the same time.

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Speaker 6: You know, some of the people that I spoke to

1063
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Speaker 6: were happy to explain why they were donors, and I

1064
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Speaker 6: think that was illuminating as well as you know, hearing

1065
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Speaker 6: some of the talking points directly from APAC.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there was a lot.

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Speaker 6: Of a lot, a lot to learn as far as

1068
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Speaker 6: the internal narrative of the internal conversations that are happening, I.

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Speaker 7: Guess you could say, like within the APAC community.

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Speaker 2: So amos, why did APAC solicit this money from these donors?

1071
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Speaker 2: What are they asking the money for? To what purpose?

1072
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Speaker 2: For a campaign for intervening in primaries? Give us an

1073
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Speaker 2: insight into the pitch and why people were able were

1074
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Speaker 2: willing to donate that money.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely so.

1076
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Speaker 6: So so the through line, the headline is always you know,

1077
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Speaker 6: to strengthen the Israeli US relationship. You know, the idea

1078
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 6: is that both countries are better off for it. And

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Speaker 6: then specifically this is kind of a you know, it

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Speaker 6: gets kind of into the nitty gritty, but a PAC

1081
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 6: is a social welfare organization, so they're legal legally, their

1082
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 6: primary purpose can't be politics, So this money.

1083
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 7: Can't necessarily be spent on politics.

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Speaker 6: Like within that, there's a wide range of ways in

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Speaker 6: which it can ultimately affect, you know.

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Speaker 7: The political process.

1087
00:53:57,320 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 6: But that's why it's not beholden to to federal election

1088
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Speaker 6: disclosure laws. So when they are asking for the money.

1089
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 6: They don't, they don't ask for it for any specific

1090
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 6: purposes like that. It's really always about uh. Uh, you know,

1091
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 6: Israel is at war and needs us, you know, through

1092
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 6: your support for for Israel. Right now, you too are

1093
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 6: part of this greater effort, you know.

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00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: Uh.

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00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 7: You know, uh, one of.

1096
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 6: The speakers through one of the events that we that

1097
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 6: we reviewed, you know, with speaking and suggesting that the

1098
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 6: supporters of APAC are now mobilized in the war effort,

1099
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 6: you know, literally part of the war effort.

1100
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 2: Uh.

1101
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 6: In this in this dramatic and and and kind of

1102
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 6: I guess you could say a bit over the top way.

1103
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 6: And you know, I think I think I think it's

1104
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 6: interesting because you know, there's not a lot of conversation

1105
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Speaker 6: about the overall you know, impacting gods that there's a

1106
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 6: lot there was a good amount of conversation about civilian casualties,

1107
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 6: but only so far as to say that the IDF

1108
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 6: is doing its best to minimize the civilian casualties.

1109
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Speaker 1: Uh.

1110
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Speaker 6: And then the the pitch is always you know, this community,

1111
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 6: the through line of the pitch is opten. You know,

1112
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Speaker 6: this community is coming together, you know, solidarity. You know,

1113
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 6: they need us they need you, they need your support financially,

1114
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 6: and it becomes, you know, a way to have impact

1115
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 6: beyond just giving money. Right, It's like it's like you're

1116
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 6: helping helping people in this grand and dramatic way. Yeah.

1117
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Speaker 3: Interesting.

1118
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Speaker 1: A few of the other names that you have on

1119
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: this list that people may find noteworthy, longtime sort of

1120
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: infamous polster Mark Penn, Les Wesner, famously very close associate

1121
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein and Congressman David Trone, Which gets to

1122
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: the even though this is technically not a directly electoral

1123
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: politics organization, how impactful they are in terms of American

1124
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: politics and a fur their underscore that. I was reminded

1125
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Speaker 1: of the fact that APAC Leadership actually was granted a

1126
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: meeting with net Yahoo just a few months back. But

1127
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: in what ways talk about the significance of Representative Trone,

1128
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,240
Speaker 1: who's now running for Senate in Maryland, of his donation

1129
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: and the way that they're already deploying some of this

1130
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: money in order to shape American politics.

1131
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so Tron is interestingly rare, uh, his his his campaign,

1132
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 6: he's running per sentate. It was was was happy to

1133
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 6: confirm this because he's actually discussed his support for for

1134
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 6: Israel and and and his support for a PACK in

1135
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 6: the past. Uh and so, you know, fundamentally is part

1136
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 6: of the reporting process. This was helpful for us to

1137
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 6: confirm the you know, veracity of the list and the

1138
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Speaker 6: information that we got in general.

1139
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Speaker 1: Uh.

1140
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 6: And then and then with him specifically, he's getting money

1141
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 6: back through the a PAC Pack, which is a recently

1142
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 6: in the twenty twenty two election cycle formed two groups

1143
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 6: of super Pack and a Pack so so so through

1144
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,240
Speaker 6: the APAC Pack they can earmark contributions from donors directly

1145
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 6: to him.

1146
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 7: And so that's what's been going on recently with him.

1147
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 6: Uh and so yeah, so it's basically you know, uh,

1148
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 6: the idea that he that he himself is don't.

1149
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 7: And then in a way kind of getting the money back.

1150
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 6: I guess you could see it that way, but you know,

1151
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 6: kind of more generally speaking, he clearly has stated where

1152
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 6: he where he where he is in the political spectrum.

1153
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 7: You know, he is a proud APAC supporter.

1154
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 6: Interestingly, he has recently expressed support for a ceasefire and

1155
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 6: so and so, yeah, I think it is showing that

1156
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 6: as the you know, as as this war is continuing,

1157
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 6: some of the traditional hardline support, maybe maybe wavering in

1158
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 6: certain ways.

1159
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 7: I guess we'll see. I guess we'll learn as this continues.

1160
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 6: And then yeah, and then more generally, what we saw

1161
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 6: in the twenty twenty two through their APEX, through through

1162
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 6: their more newly formed organizations, effectively spending money in democratic

1163
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 6: primaries and so going after anyone that is deemed to be.

1164
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 7: Critical of Israel.

1165
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 6: And they also did so not by spending money on Israel,

1166
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 6: but actually spending money on the other campaign issues in

1167
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 6: any given number of those primaries.

1168
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Speaker 7: So it's just a.

1169
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Speaker 6: Way of spending money and would proved to be a

1170
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 6: very effective way, I think basically, and the majority of

1171
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 6: the primaries that they that they entered, that they spend

1172
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 6: money and they were successful in getting there preferred candidate

1173
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 6: over the line.

1174
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

1175
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Speaker 1: Well, and there were also instances, as Ryan Grim reported

1176
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: in his book, where just the possibility of them getting

1177
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 1: involved in a primary was enough to win over the

1178
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: unconditional support of John Fetterman, apparently in the state of Pennsylvania.

1179
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Speaker 1: And we've seen the way that that is all played out. Amos,

1180
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. This report is incredibly important. I

1181
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: think people need at the very least to understand where

1182
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,480
Speaker 1: the money is coming from and the groups that are

1183
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: influencing our politics, and why we see some of the

1184
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 1: dynamics unfolding that we have. So thank you so much

1185
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Speaker 1: for joining us today to unpack some of that.

1186
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Speaker 7: Thanks amos, Thank you guys.

1187
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Speaker 3: All right, guys, thank you so much for watching.

1188
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1189
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Speaker 2: that is coming out or actually happening today. It'll be

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1191
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1192
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