Speaker 1: What's that an, It's spooky.
Speaker 2: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way Wait.
Speaker 1: A minute, I said, niras Jess, Hey boo, it's me
Speaker 1: raz Oh my gosh, okay, I'm I can't believe this.
Speaker 2: But I did not even see this. It turns out
Speaker 2: that there was the ninth siding of Miss Lockness Monster
Speaker 2: this year alone. And I saw this article that was
Speaker 2: actually posted at the beginning of August on the mirror
Speaker 2: the UK tob Loyd and okay, so it says that
Speaker 2: somebody named Colin Vcock was scanning the water with his
Speaker 2: binoculars and he noticed something that was two thirds across
Speaker 2: the lock, and he realized that it was easily the
Speaker 2: length of the handrail at the rear of the boat,
Speaker 2: which led him to assess that he saw what he
Speaker 2: saw was nearly two feet high and ten to twelve
Speaker 2: feet long. He said the same was witnessed by two
Speaker 2: other families. So, okay, so she's twelve feet long. I
Speaker 2: don't know. For some reason in my mind I always
Speaker 2: thought that she was like gigantic, like sixty feet or something.
Speaker 2: But okay, all right, all right, miss NeSSI I'm listening,
Speaker 2: says also A man and his daughter from Chester reported
Speaker 2: seeing an unidentified movement in the lock on July nineteenth. Okay,
Speaker 2: so she's trying to be seen. Six of the sightings
Speaker 2: this year have been and by the locks webcam. Okay,
Speaker 2: so she's a cam model. I see. Scientists have earlier
Speaker 2: claimed that they've solved the mystery and that she could
Speaker 2: possibly just be a giant eel. The official register has
Speaker 2: now logged one and thirty nine sightings from records and
Speaker 2: other evidence stretching back through the centuries. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: because so we talked about last year there was those
Speaker 2: sonar images that are like the most compelling evidence of
Speaker 2: Lockness monster yet. But I can't decide. Maybe she's starting
Speaker 2: to finally want to step out and have the world
Speaker 2: see her. But it's kind of I kind of feel
Speaker 2: like this is that paparazzi culture that we need to
Speaker 2: just let the stars live their lives. Let's not you know,
Speaker 2: if she wants us to see her, she'll let us
Speaker 2: see her. But other than that, I say, let her be,
Speaker 2: let her enjoy whatever she's got going down there. But
Speaker 2: I'm still waiting for, like, you know, if we've got
Speaker 2: if we've got news to report on her. I want
Speaker 2: to see her. I want to see her. I want
Speaker 2: to see eyeballs. How about that, I want to see eyeballs.
Speaker 2: That's when I'm going to really believe it. I also
Speaker 2: wanted to read a Facebook group ghost story that was
Speaker 2: posted in our Facebook group called ghosted by Rosdressfallese. This
Speaker 2: comes from Celia Hey Celia, who writes while staying at
Speaker 2: a friend's cabin in the mountains recently, my partner was
Speaker 2: outside and everyone else was still asleep while I was
Speaker 2: in the bathroom upstairs. The stairs would creak when anyone
Speaker 2: came up or down, and I didn't hear anything. But
Speaker 2: suddenly the bathroom door flung open forcefully and I I
Speaker 2: saw a pair of legs with bare feet and what
Speaker 2: looked like a white cloth wrapped around them at the knees.
Speaker 2: I screamed, damn, babe, can't you knock? And I slammed
Speaker 2: the door shut. I thought it was my partner with
Speaker 2: a white towel wrapped around him, since I knew he
Speaker 2: had been swimming. The energy just hovered outside the door,
Speaker 2: and I could see shadows where feet would be, but
Speaker 2: no one said anything, and a chill ran down my spine.
Speaker 2: That's when I realized I never heard anyone come up
Speaker 2: the stairs. I started getting nervous and I said, Okay,
Speaker 2: this isn't funny. Stop being creepy again. There was nothing.
Speaker 2: I opened the door and no one was there. My
Speaker 2: partner was still outside, and my friends were still sound asleep.
Speaker 2: Also at that point, I realized that there weren't any
Speaker 2: white towels in the cabin, and none of us brought
Speaker 2: any that were that color. We think that this was
Speaker 2: an apparition because my friends stayed in that room of
Speaker 2: the cabin last time they were there, and my friend
Speaker 2: woke up from a night terror in that room and
Speaker 2: saw a shadow figure hovering over him between the bed
Speaker 2: and the window. I think the white cloth I saw
Speaker 2: may have been a dress instead of a towel, so
Speaker 2: we think maybe there's a female presence. Other experiences that
Speaker 2: my friends have had there fucking circus music. The creepiest
Speaker 2: of all, waking up to the sound of a woman
Speaker 2: sobbing and male voices talking to each other. There were
Speaker 2: some other cabins nearby, but nowhere near close enough to
Speaker 2: make these type of sounds at an audible level, and
Speaker 2: they all sounded like they were coming from within the
Speaker 2: house itself. Think I saw my first apparition of legs. Eek.
Speaker 2: Thank you Celia for sharing that story. It reminds me
Speaker 2: of when I had on Jess Ambrose and we were
Speaker 2: talking about how you often see ghosts from the waist
Speaker 2: up and how come you never just see a pair
Speaker 2: of legs walking around. But yeah, it makes sense that
Speaker 2: you could just see that ooh ghost legs. Okay, So
Speaker 2: today I have got Ben de Lagrem, who you may
Speaker 2: know from Repul's Drag Race, Repulse, Drag Race All Stars.
Speaker 2: I love Benda La Grem, and I reached out Dayla
Speaker 2: was like, I like ghosts, I don't really have much
Speaker 2: of the stories. Turns out she's got stories. And then
Speaker 2: after we recorded this, she sent me a message and
Speaker 2: she's like, oh, I've been listening to the podcast and
Speaker 2: I have more stories. So she's like, I'm thinking of
Speaker 2: all these other ones. The wheels are turning, and so
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, well, you're gonna have to come back
Speaker 2: at some point hopefully. Plus I mentioned last week at
Speaker 2: the end of my conversation with Rih Stavis that it's
Speaker 2: just like so it blew my mind that it turns
Speaker 2: out that the week after I talked to Ri Stavis,
Speaker 2: I talked to Bend La Graham, who has been to
Speaker 2: our Age Stavis. It's just like it was like such
Speaker 2: a weird, like what some kind of synchronicity. I asked
Speaker 2: the universe to be able to talk to someone that
Speaker 2: has been to our Age Stavas and this all worked out.
Speaker 2: It's just crazy. It blew my mind when this happened.
Speaker 2: So you get to hear about that today. And as always,
Speaker 2: if you want to hear a little bit extra, go
Speaker 2: to patreon dot com slash. While I was dres false
Speaker 2: and in this bonus clip on my second tier this week,
Speaker 2: I found a recent bigfoot video that the two of
Speaker 2: us talk about. It was the Bigfoot allegedly was captured
Speaker 2: on camera in a river in Michigan, and the two
Speaker 2: of us kind of analyze it, you know, two drag
Speaker 2: queens analyzing bigfoot footage. I mean, come on, the content
Speaker 2: I create, and then we also do the Unexplained phenomena thing,
Speaker 2: so we talk about UFOs and time travel and haunted
Speaker 2: dolls and that kind of stuff as well. Okay, here
Speaker 2: we go. My conversation with Ben Delacreme and with the show.
Speaker 2: I am joined by Ben Dela Greme. Hello, Hi, how
Speaker 2: are you? I am so good? You know, I don't
Speaker 2: know you as well as I wish I did, but
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm a huge fan of yours as well.
Speaker 4: I'm but we're going to start doing each other really
Speaker 4: soon now that I live in La Ya, I'm going
Speaker 4: to make you go to the flea market with me
Speaker 4: at five am.
Speaker 3: Girl.
Speaker 2: I am the flea market queen. I'm so happy to
Speaker 2: find somebody else that can be on my level. I'm
Speaker 2: because here's what you'll learn about la is that, you know,
Speaker 2: we really are kind of like laid back. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of Oh it's hard to get out of bed,
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm not like an early riser or anything.
Speaker 2: But for a flea market, I can. I could do that,
Speaker 2: and it's hard for me. Probably the reason I usually
Speaker 2: don't do that is because I can't find anyone to
Speaker 2: go with me that because nobody ever wants to wake
Speaker 2: up that early.
Speaker 3: I am that person that person you know.
Speaker 4: Also, I just want to say, like, I've been such
Speaker 4: a fan of you since I think the first time
Speaker 4: I saw you was in Mean Girls, when Peaches did
Speaker 4: it and you came to Seattle and I was still
Speaker 4: living in Seattle at the time, and you like blew
Speaker 4: me away.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you that show.
Speaker 4: So don't tell like Wilhelm or Kimchi, but you stole
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 2: Oh thank you. How's everything going? First of all, how
Speaker 2: are you feeling going back into the world.
Speaker 3: I'm not really doing it yet.
Speaker 4: Like it's like I keep talking to people and they're like,
Speaker 4: you know, I don't like now that I live in
Speaker 4: la which is like super weird to be like, you know,
Speaker 4: we moved right before the pandemic and now we're like
Speaker 4: coming out of quarantine, but also like in a new
Speaker 4: city and it's like meet new people, go new places,
Speaker 4: and I you know, and it's not like I don't
Speaker 4: have friends here, but they're just not like established hangout friends,
Speaker 4: like they're friends who have always been in a different city.
Speaker 4: So people like invite me out and then I'm I'm
Speaker 4: that person who like makes plans like two weeks out
Speaker 4: and then like the night before is like oop, sorry,
Speaker 4: something came up. But what came up is my like agoraphobia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I totally get that, especially after the pandemic.
Speaker 2: It's like I'm now so used to It's like I
Speaker 2: could hang out with you or I could hang out
Speaker 2: with you with no pants on, with like food on
Speaker 2: my face and we can just talk on the phone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so which one?
Speaker 4: We're like, if you're willing to witness me that way
Speaker 4: in person, and if I'm comfortable enough with you to
Speaker 4: like have food on my face, then like, great, come over.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Well, I want to talk to you about
Speaker 2: the paranormal. Yeah, what do you what? What are your
Speaker 2: thoughts on the paranormal?
Speaker 4: You know, I'm one of I would say I'm one
Speaker 4: of those people, but I like don't even know if
Speaker 4: there's categories of whatever. But anyway, I my feelings are
Speaker 4: that I do feel like I have had paranormal experiences
Speaker 4: in my past, and I do feel like there are
Speaker 4: potential like explanations for things. But I'm not like a cynic.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not I don't see the point in like
Speaker 4: trying to debunk paranormal stuff because like why would that
Speaker 4: be less valid or real? But I'm also not like
Speaker 4: a die hard like you know, pursuer of the paranormal.
Speaker 4: But you know, one of my favorite movies in the
Speaker 4: whole world is the Haunting from nineteen sixty three, not
Speaker 4: like the terrible one that they made in the early
Speaker 4: two thousands or whatever it was. But the one of
Speaker 4: the main characters, doctor Markaway, is like a paranormal researcher,
Speaker 4: and he talks a lot about Rather than referring to
Speaker 4: it as the paranormal, or rather the supernatural, he refers
Speaker 4: to it as the preternatural, which is just the idea,
Speaker 4: not that it can't be explained, but that we can't
Speaker 4: explain it yet, which is like the same as the
Speaker 4: Earth is flat, right, So it's just well that's true, right, yeah, right, exactly. Yes,
Speaker 4: I mean that has yet to be debunked, but at
Speaker 4: some point it could be.
Speaker 2: That's the point I'm kidding. Anyone listening, Well, yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean that's what I always think about. First of all,
Speaker 2: I think a lot of humans feel the need to
Speaker 2: have answers to everything, which I understand. Uh, it's comfort,
Speaker 2: it's safety, it's stability, it's all of that. But there's
Speaker 2: also so many things that like, Okay, for example, I
Speaker 2: always think about like Bigfoot or Lockness monster or that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. It's like, okay, if we figure out
Speaker 2: what that is, then it just becomes an animal. It's
Speaker 2: not like it's you know, now, it's not the paranormal.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh no, that's just like a type of
Speaker 2: animal that we have that lives in those places. It's
Speaker 2: just that we haven't figured that out yet, right, And
Speaker 2: we're discovering new species all the time, totally.
Speaker 4: I mean, I couldn't name any of them if you
Speaker 4: put me on the spot, but we're discovering them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So have you ever encountered a ghost of
Speaker 2: your own?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 4: So when I was a youth, my grandparents lived in
Speaker 4: this house in the middle of the woods in rural Connecticut,
Speaker 4: and their parents had lived there and their parents had
Speaker 4: lived there, so it was like old family home in
Speaker 4: the spirit of like waspy New England life. So when
Speaker 4: I turned seven, it was our turn to move there,
Speaker 4: and I'd spent every summer there since I was seven,
Speaker 4: and it was like the fucking worst because not only
Speaker 4: it was remote in the middle of nowhere and boring
Speaker 4: as hell, it also was the creepiest house ever in
Speaker 4: like the most classical sense, Like it felt like a
Speaker 4: Vincent Price movie, like the it was like dusty, old
Speaker 4: faded wallpaper, peeling off the walls, creaky floorboards, literal hallways
Speaker 4: lined with oil paintings of my creepy ancestors, like super
Speaker 4: super creepy, and it was like the house was built
Speaker 4: in the seventeen hundreds, like early, and then kind of
Speaker 4: had additions built onto it by the family over the years,
Speaker 4: and there was just like stuff everywhere, like there's like
Speaker 4: all these antiques that belonged to like our great great grandparents,
Speaker 4: and then like every generation would just pile more shit
Speaker 4: on top, so it was like it was like fancy
Speaker 4: antique store hoarders, and it was just like full on
Speaker 4: ghost movie. And it was because it had been added
Speaker 4: on to so much. It was like kind of vast
Speaker 4: and sprawling in this way that as a seven year
Speaker 4: old I would like forget rooms were there and then
Speaker 4: like rediscover them, like the secret Garden, Super Creepy.
Speaker 3: I actually brought my partner.
Speaker 4: Gus there, like a couple of years ago, and he
Speaker 4: was like, this house is straight out of a horror movie.
Speaker 4: It's so freaky, and I'm like, this house has been redone,
Speaker 4: like they took off the like all the creepy stuff
Speaker 4: has gone, and it's still creepy as hell. So so
Speaker 4: I was like, like I like wept like for days
Speaker 4: when I was told that we were going to move
Speaker 4: into this creepy house, and because like, Okay, there's all
Speaker 4: this history there, but that's like obviously super linked to energy, right,
Speaker 4: whether it's ghosts or whatever it is, there's like energy.
Speaker 3: And my family is like my family history on.
Speaker 4: My dad's side is like super tragic, lots of mental illness, lots.
Speaker 3: Of like all sorts of sad stuff.
Speaker 4: So so like all this like exists in this house, right,
Speaker 4: and there's this weird like allegiance of the family to
Speaker 4: like live there, which is also like kind of creepy
Speaker 4: in and of itself, even though all these terrible things
Speaker 4: happen in this house. So when I was little and
Speaker 4: we first moved in at night, I started seeing things
Speaker 4: and you know, of course that's really easy to chalk
Speaker 4: up to like oh kids, you know, it felt really
Speaker 4: vivid to me at the time, Like I would see, well,
Speaker 4: I would see like there were two things that really
Speaker 4: stick in my memory. One in my bedroom, just like
Speaker 4: looking up into the darkness and seeing figures like in the.
Speaker 3: Upper corners of the room.
Speaker 4: Start to like creep out of the corners like spider
Speaker 4: like on the walls. Ooh yeah, and they were like
Speaker 4: super you know. It was that kind of classic like spindly, skeletal, gray,
Speaker 4: kind of demon looking thing. And I think about it,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, at that time, did I have a
Speaker 4: point of reference for that? Like I wasn't watching horror movies.
Speaker 4: I wasn't seeing that, you know. So I'm like, you know,
Speaker 4: because kids like sort of play stuff over they see
Speaker 4: in their minds all the time, but like, I'm like,
Speaker 4: did I even was that even planted somewhere in my head?
Speaker 4: So that was something that would happen like all the time.
Speaker 4: It was so terrifying to me. But what was even
Speaker 4: scarier was multiple times being like terrified in my room
Speaker 4: of these things. I was seeing and hearing my parents
Speaker 4: in the hallway and being like, oh my god, it's soy.
Speaker 4: My parents are here, getting out of bed, go opening
Speaker 4: my door, going into the creaky, scary hallway, my parents
Speaker 4: standing there, Me going to hug my mom, then opening
Speaker 4: my eyes and I'm alone in the hallway.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Okay, So so you would be sleepwalking
Speaker 2: as you and then you would wake up.
Speaker 4: I don't know whether it was sleepwalking and waking up.
Speaker 4: I don't know whether it was, you know, I mean again,
Speaker 4: it's like that's what I've chalked it up to. Forever
Speaker 4: is like sleepwalking waking up. But you know, the older
Speaker 4: I get and the more I'm like open to different ideas,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't fucking know, you know, like, I
Speaker 4: don't know if that was. I do feel like that
Speaker 4: house is full of you know, like again, whatever form,
Speaker 4: it's taking creepy ass energy and there's like energy like
Speaker 4: cycling over right, And that's like what ghosts are is
Speaker 4: just like repetition of a moment forever and ever and ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, you know what I've learned from having so many
Speaker 2: of these conversations with people is that there's so much
Speaker 2: out there that's not just somebody dies in a house
Speaker 2: and then the energy lingers. It could be a lot
Speaker 2: of different things, Like, for example, maybe it could be
Speaker 2: that your parents were subconsciously astro projecting. Do you know
Speaker 2: much about that? No, that's like when you sleep and
Speaker 2: your spirit body, your astral body, leaves your physical body
Speaker 2: and can go do things. And a lot of people
Speaker 2: have this ability. A lot of people do it subconsciously.
Speaker 2: A lot of times I hear stories of people seeing
Speaker 2: the ghost of their partner or someone that they know
Speaker 2: that they live with, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 2: they disappear, and it's it's, yeah, it's like a subconscious
Speaker 2: thing that that happens, but it appears to be like
Speaker 2: a ghost of someone that is still alive. Now that's
Speaker 2: one thing that could happen. Another thing that could happen
Speaker 2: is a in energy of sorts that people report that
Speaker 2: kind of impersonates humans, you know, impersonates loved ones to
Speaker 2: draw you in. Which is that more thing?
Speaker 4: Because it was so terrifying, and that's always like how
Speaker 4: it felt. It always felt like a like a creepy
Speaker 4: trick had been played on me, you.
Speaker 2: Know, because that whatever you're describing creepy crawling in the corner,
Speaker 2: that doesn't even sound like a human a human energy.
Speaker 2: It sounds like something otherworldly for sure.
Speaker 3: And that's how it felt, you know, when it was
Speaker 3: one of these things.
Speaker 4: It's never like I was like, you know, I couldn't
Speaker 4: describe one of those figures to.
Speaker 3: Like a sketch artist.
Speaker 4: It was just like kind of you know, dark amorphous,
Speaker 4: you know, which feels very in keeping with like the
Speaker 4: kinds of figures people describe on like paranormal experience shows
Speaker 4: and stuff. But but yeah, no, it definitely didn't feel
Speaker 4: like a spirit of something.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: And then so actually to skip ahead, I you know,
Speaker 4: for a long time just like kind of didn't think
Speaker 4: about any of that, and then when I did think
Speaker 4: about it, I was like kids in their imaginations, you know.
Speaker 4: But so recently, like maybe I don't know, a month
Speaker 4: or two ago, I went to an exorcist here in La.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, what, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Went to an exorcist. She's actually specifically like.
Speaker 3: Okay, so she's.
Speaker 4: A non denominal ex wait wait wait is this rh
Speaker 4: S Davis?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, Oh my god, Wait a minute.
Speaker 2: This is the most insane thing ever. She's a good
Speaker 2: friend of the pod. Just had her on last week's episode.
Speaker 2: But I just had her out last week and I
Speaker 2: was telling her, uh, because I know that she's had
Speaker 2: like a lot of celebrity clients and a lot of people,
Speaker 2: and I was saying, oh, I'm I really want to
Speaker 2: talk to like a celebrity or someone that has been
Speaker 2: to you. This is insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's actually it's funny because her partner is a
Speaker 4: is a very old friend of mine and so we
Speaker 4: got reconnected with her when I moved to La and
Speaker 4: then she was like, oh, this is my partner the Exorcist.
Speaker 2: So first of all, so the book is incredible. You
Speaker 2: should read her book. It's really good.
Speaker 3: It's I I haven't read it yet.
Speaker 2: It's okay, okay, So I'm dying to hear about this.
Speaker 2: Tell us as much as you're comfortable sharing, but I
Speaker 2: want to know about this process.
Speaker 4: Well, it's very it's very intense, you know, and it's
Speaker 4: very like vulnerable. I was super nervous going into it,
Speaker 4: and you know, like and she is just like wonderful,
Speaker 4: Like her energy is really great and calming, but also
Speaker 4: like authoritative in a way that you feel like.
Speaker 3: You're in good hands right totally, So you know.
Speaker 4: So I went to her place and it was funny
Speaker 4: because her partner was like just like in the front
Speaker 4: yard and we just like sat down and she just
Speaker 4: I was all like a mess, like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: what's about to happen? And she's literally just like how
Speaker 4: are you doing? Like how is Gus? Like, you know,
Speaker 4: just having like very normal chit chat with me, And
Speaker 4: in my brain, I'm like this is this is very
Speaker 4: weird that this is so normal.
Speaker 2: To her, you know, normal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Rachel comes out and kind of joins
Speaker 4: the conversation, and it's just like very you know, and
Speaker 4: in my head I've been spinning all day about what
Speaker 4: this is going to be mean. And then you know,
Speaker 4: in the middle of just like how's your week been,
Speaker 4: it's suddenly like, okay, let's go do an exorcism. So
Speaker 4: we we go into her her like room where she
Speaker 4: performs the rituals, and you know, I talked a lot
Speaker 4: to her about like I asked her lots of questions
Speaker 4: before I'd even decided that I wanted to do this,
Speaker 4: I asked her lots of questions like kind of about
Speaker 4: what is like what is the term exorcist mean in
Speaker 4: this scenario? You know, And she was telling me about
Speaker 4: like you know, like clearly you've spoken to her on
Speaker 4: the pod, so it's like, right, we're not talking like
Speaker 4: some sort of demon speaking through your body necessarily. She's
Speaker 4: looking at entities who attach themselves to you, who like
Speaker 4: she can see who may be causing like mayhem in
Speaker 4: your life. But the way she describes it is more
Speaker 4: of you know, like she can see it, but it's
Speaker 4: like an external attachment almost rather than like them like
Speaker 4: moving you through your body. But their attachment can affect
Speaker 4: your behaviors and it can affect and the attachments can
Speaker 4: like come from any number of places, and like trauma
Speaker 4: can attract.
Speaker 3: An attachment or you know, an entity.
Speaker 4: So that was like really interesting to me, and I
Speaker 4: started being like, Okay, what what things in my life
Speaker 4: that I've like struggled with are potentially you know, a
Speaker 4: result of this, you know. And again it's like it's
Speaker 4: not a thing that I was like, whoa, I hear this.
Speaker 4: I one hundred percent I'm like, yes, this is what's happening.
Speaker 4: I believe in it in a like really active way,
Speaker 4: but it's more like a this to me, this feels
Speaker 4: like there's no reason this would be less true than
Speaker 4: anything else. Right, Like I have gone to a therapist
Speaker 4: for a long time, I like take meds for bipolar. Right,
Speaker 4: Like if I believe in neuroscience and like talk therapy,
Speaker 4: then like why not you know? So, uh So we
Speaker 4: go into her space and she kind.
Speaker 3: Of first talks me through what it's going to be.
Speaker 4: She kind of like says, you know, how how we're
Speaker 4: going to go about this, and then the next step
Speaker 4: was she was like, I'm going to ask you a
Speaker 4: couple of questions about your life, and then I'm going
Speaker 4: to be or no, I'm going to ask you a
Speaker 4: couple questions about your life, but as you answer them,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be looking at you. I'm going
Speaker 4: to be looking to the spirits, whatever is present, who's
Speaker 4: you know. And I'm paraphrasing this, and I like, am
Speaker 4: sure that she would listen to this and be like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, you're saying that wrong, But this is
Speaker 4: the vibe.
Speaker 2: Well, she has her own like language, you know, because
Speaker 2: because what she does is like something that I don't
Speaker 2: think anybody else really does. So she kind of has
Speaker 2: her own terms for different things.
Speaker 3: And exactly I'm sure I'm getting them all wrong.
Speaker 2: But the good news is she has a book and
Speaker 2: there's you can you can definitely you could listen to
Speaker 2: the two times she's been on this show, like people,
Speaker 2: if people are curious, there's ways of figuring this out,
Speaker 2: what her process is like more.
Speaker 3: Holding my babbel.
Speaker 4: But so she's basically like, I'm going to listen to
Speaker 4: these spirit guides and I'm going to they are going
Speaker 4: to be answering as you're answering, and their answers may
Speaker 4: not be the same as yours. So she started asking
Speaker 4: me about my childhood, and I'm telling her the story
Speaker 4: of just kind of like this happened, then this happened,
Speaker 4: then this happened, just like you know, physically where my
Speaker 4: body moved through space and how it fell, you know,
Speaker 4: and you know, after asking me a series of questions,
Speaker 4: she's like, Okay, this is this is how these other
Speaker 4: spirits present answered these questions. And in some ways it
Speaker 4: was the same. In some ways it was very different.
Speaker 4: But one of the things she brought up that I
Speaker 4: had not brought up at all, because I did not
Speaker 4: talk about any of the.
Speaker 3: Stuff that I have talked to you about thus.
Speaker 4: Far, is, she said to me, when you were very young,
Speaker 4: you were able to see entities and spirits. You like
Speaker 4: had this connection and you had this ability and this openness.
Speaker 4: And over the years you were told that this was
Speaker 4: you know, silly and ridiculous and in your head, and
Speaker 4: so you stuffed it down and you no longer have
Speaker 4: that access, but you can have it if you develop it.
Speaker 2: So how do you feel about that? Do you want
Speaker 2: to develop it.
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, when you're a kid, it's
Speaker 4: like you don't have control over anything in your life, right,
Speaker 4: It's like you're at the mercy of the adults in
Speaker 4: your life. Like you're you're still forming as a human being,
Speaker 4: your brain is still taking shape, right, So it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, you're at the mercy of I mean, we're
Speaker 4: all at the mercy of like our moods and our
Speaker 4: brains and our physical selves, but like even more so
Speaker 4: as a child, so like you don't have control over anything,
Speaker 4: So why would you have control over something like that?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: But as an adult, I have tools, I have intention,
Speaker 4: I have critical thought, and so if I were to
Speaker 4: go back down that route, I think that, you know,
Speaker 4: I can. I have people like Rachel who I can
Speaker 4: look to to help do that in a way that
Speaker 4: has intention and is not as scary and dangerous feeling.
Speaker 3: So I am interested in that. I don't know quite how.
Speaker 4: I want that to happen, but I'm definitely at a
Speaker 4: point in my life where I'm wanting to reconnect to
Speaker 4: a greater sense of spirituality in general. You know, I
Speaker 4: have cultivated my brain for so long in terms of
Speaker 4: self reflection as I said of it in therapy for
Speaker 4: many years.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I.
Speaker 4: Tend to really over intellectualize thing, like when I'm even
Speaker 4: writing shows, it's very like research heavy and you know, so,
Speaker 4: so that's the part of my brain I'm really comfortable with.
Speaker 4: And I feel like I'm at this moment where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean whatever, I'm about to turn forty,
Speaker 4: maybe some midlife crisis, but I'm ready to like kind
Speaker 4: of explore this other way of looking at my relationship
Speaker 4: to the world around me and my sort of inner life,
Speaker 4: if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Oh my god, this I'm thinking so much
Speaker 2: about when you were a child, and because I did,
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna say it at first, but what you
Speaker 2: described to me in the corner of your bedroom as
Speaker 2: a child sounds so much like what she describes of
Speaker 2: like entities and stuff like kind of creepy crawley things
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, And I have not again, I
Speaker 4: have not spoken to her directly about any of those
Speaker 4: experiences or what I like I saw.
Speaker 2: You know, she's the real deal.
Speaker 3: Huh, Yeah, I mean I am.
Speaker 4: I just really, I mean, I feel like, you know,
Speaker 4: something that's so amazing about her is it's like her
Speaker 4: knowledge and her abilities, she is so clear and confident
Speaker 4: in them that it does it just is like okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: like this has validity and wait and I there is
Speaker 4: no reason I should not like explore this in the
Speaker 4: same way I would explore anything that you know, in
Speaker 4: my mind, I've rationalized already, you know.
Speaker 3: M yeah, I am, you know, and I for me too.
Speaker 4: It's like I think in metaphor a lot, and you know,
Speaker 4: part of that is just comes from being a writer.
Speaker 4: But but I think there's a reason, right, Like there's
Speaker 4: a reason that we we try to make whatever we try,
Speaker 4: we as a species try to make sense out of
Speaker 4: things through storytelling, right, And that's like where religion comes from,
Speaker 4: that's where you know, and that's where science comes from.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Although it's you know, I would not qualify that as storytelling,
Speaker 4: it's still like this need for like a narrative explanation,
Speaker 4: a narrative story around something.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 4: I so anyway, I make a lot of links, right,
Speaker 4: and like, to me, what she's describing with like you
Speaker 4: had something innate as a kid, and you were like
Speaker 4: shamed around it and have it stuffed down like that's
Speaker 4: also the queer experience, right, So it's like, in what
Speaker 4: ways are those things linked?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: And I have like five billion thoughts on you know how,
Speaker 4: Like I actually wrote a show about a haunted house
Speaker 4: called Me where the Terror of Gaylord Manner and it's
Speaker 4: like super campy and shticky and all of this stuff,
Speaker 4: But ultimately it's like using ghosts and monsters as like
Speaker 4: a metaphor for the queer experience and go specifically as
Speaker 4: metaphor for the way that we're like, you know, shamed
Speaker 4: about things early on, and then we repeat these stories
Speaker 4: over and over and those stories keep us trapped and
Speaker 4: keep us from moving forward in the same way that
Speaker 4: you know, which is like and I just feel like
Speaker 4: there's a link, there's you know, I don't know what
Speaker 4: it is, but there's a reason that these queer stories
Speaker 4: and ghost stories feel parallel.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean it also makes you think, well,
Speaker 2: what else have I stuffed down since childhood? Or yeah,
Speaker 2: you know that that innocent brain that has been clouded
Speaker 2: by so much of society telling me what I should
Speaker 2: and shouldn't do. I mean, that's what coming to terms
Speaker 2: with my gender identity as I've gotten older, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is stuff that I've known this whole time. It's
Speaker 2: just society gets in the way and life gets in
Speaker 2: the way, and then you as you get older, you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: time to reconnect, Like I'm in charge here and I
Speaker 2: want to expel and it's a beauty of life. Baby.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean that's been my experience as like a
Speaker 4: queer person in terms of I mean just how I
Speaker 4: relate to my own queerness, but also as an artist,
Speaker 4: you know, because when I make the best work, it
Speaker 4: looks the most like how my imagination ran wild when
Speaker 4: I was a child.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I feel like so much of growing up is undoing
Speaker 4: what has what the world is stifled that was just
Speaker 4: already inherently you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, so do you feel that she and this
Speaker 2: might be too personal or whatever, but did she remove
Speaker 2: anything from you or you know, did she exercise any
Speaker 2: any entities?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: You know, so she did tell me that she saw
Speaker 4: one minor entity on me, and I don't remember the
Speaker 4: name of it, but the way she described it as
Speaker 4: something that amplifies. So she said it's like not something
Speaker 4: to worry about. It's like she was like, you know,
Speaker 4: we'll get rid of it here today.
Speaker 3: But this is this is something that just.
Speaker 4: Sort of and again I'm paraphrasing, and I'm sure she
Speaker 4: could describe it better, but something that just kind of
Speaker 4: intensifies what you're feeling and what you're going through, right,
Speaker 4: which is like makes a ton of sense that that
Speaker 4: attachment would exist post pandemic and like, you know, like
Speaker 4: during this I mean collectively traumatic time, right. And I
Speaker 4: don't know when that thing attached, but you know, I
Speaker 4: mean I I was bonkers during the pandemic and afterwards
Speaker 4: and still you know, in recovery essentially, and I think
Speaker 4: a lot of people are. But but that perfectly made
Speaker 4: sense to me that that would be present at this time.
Speaker 4: And you know, without going into too much detail about
Speaker 4: the ceremony itself, I call it a ceremony.
Speaker 3: I do not know that she would call it that,
Speaker 3: but it I but it.
Speaker 4: Felt it felt like a spiritual ceremony to me in
Speaker 4: the ways that like, you know, the limited knowledge I
Speaker 4: have of like you know, I don't know like indigenous
Speaker 4: cultures and stuff, you.
Speaker 3: Know, but.
Speaker 4: You know, she was like calling on various spirits and
Speaker 4: energies and to come and move things through me and
Speaker 4: I don't pretend to understand all of it. And I also,
Speaker 4: you know, one of the things she talks about afterwards
Speaker 4: is she's like, you know, this is one step, but
Speaker 4: it is up to you to like cultivate this connection.
Speaker 4: Like she essentially connects you to maybe some things you've
Speaker 4: been blocked around, but like it's up to you to
Speaker 4: maintain that openness. And she has like sort of a
Speaker 4: spiritual practice that if you go to her Instagram, there's
Speaker 4: several posts that kind of outline it. But it's just
Speaker 4: something you do a few minutes a day and you
Speaker 4: kind of call on spirit or whatever your you know,
Speaker 4: kind of power is, and just kind of ask to
Speaker 4: be open, ask to be connected with, ask to be
Speaker 4: communicated with.
Speaker 3: And again it's.
Speaker 4: Like whether that to me is like a physical whether
Speaker 4: that's like a physical spirit like coming to me in
Speaker 4: that sense, or if that's just like an energetic reminder
Speaker 4: for me to be more aware of the energies around
Speaker 4: me and the spirituality of the world and what my
Speaker 4: intuition is telling me. Like it kind of to me
Speaker 4: doesn't matter which thing that is.
Speaker 2: You know, I see when I hear her talk about
Speaker 2: the stuff I view it as like an incredible like
Speaker 2: she doesn't look at it like this, but like a
Speaker 2: life coach or something, where yes, she's basically like, you
Speaker 2: got to keep the vibration up. Basically you got to
Speaker 2: take good care of yourself and you've got to be
Speaker 2: a good person or the demons are gonna be You're
Speaker 2: gonna look sexy to the demons and they're gonna cling
Speaker 2: on to you, so you need to like repel them
Speaker 2: through your positivity. Is sort of one of the things
Speaker 2: that I take away from what she has to say.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I think the most skeptical version of it
Speaker 4: is still just like it's it's a language, and it's
Speaker 4: a lens through which to reconnect to your intuition and
Speaker 4: your connection to the world around you. You know, whether
Speaker 4: that's just like nature or you know, like listening more
Speaker 4: to yourself, reconnecting with those those childhood understandings that maybe
Speaker 4: have been uh you know, shamed out of you.
Speaker 3: Over the years.
Speaker 4: I mean, even even if that's all that's happening, that's
Speaker 4: like a really important thing to do. And ultimately, again
Speaker 4: I just like actually don't care whether it's that or
Speaker 4: like a physical spirit, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, Yeah, exactly. It's sort of like with a
Speaker 2: lot of religions, or probably all religions or most it's like,
Speaker 2: just be a good person. And it's like if you
Speaker 2: need to call it a religion or not, it's like, ultimately,
Speaker 2: I think we all just want to be our best selves.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of how you get that message.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's.
Speaker 4: Truly And it's like when religion is useful is when
Speaker 4: again it's like a lens to look through to help
Speaker 4: you be a better person, be more connected, be more
Speaker 4: aware of the idea of like community, responsibility to community,
Speaker 4: and responsibility to yourself. And when religion gets like dangerous
Speaker 4: and messed up is when people start to be like, yes,
Speaker 4: this physical thing happened, this you know, man rows out
Speaker 4: of a cave. You know, like like that's that's when
Speaker 4: religion starts to get weaponized.
Speaker 3: Is when people are taking it too literally right right.
Speaker 2: And there's a very fun line between that and a
Speaker 2: good ghost story, though, you know, it's like.
Speaker 3: I mean, it is a ghost story. Where's the line?
Speaker 2: I guess the only difference is that I am not
Speaker 2: a registered church. If anyone is listening to this podcast,
Speaker 2: you do not take this as doctrine, I just share
Speaker 2: lots of ghost stories.
Speaker 4: Speaking as a registered church, I'm saying I'm one hundred
Speaker 4: percent right about everything.
Speaker 2: Well, so have you now that you have you're on
Speaker 2: this journey. It sounds like, how do you feel about
Speaker 2: going to a haunted place? Are you excited? Or are
Speaker 2: do you get scared?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What do you how do you appress.
Speaker 4: Zero desire to go to a haunted place? Like I
Speaker 4: don't even want to go to my dad's house, right,
Speaker 4: he still lives in that creepy ass house. But right,
Speaker 4: because it's like if you, I mean for me, I'm
Speaker 4: sure there are people who have different experiences and different
Speaker 4: reasons for wanting to go, But I'm like, what I'm
Speaker 4: interested in connecting with is not something that's like dwelling
Speaker 4: in one of those spaces, because who knows what's there.
Speaker 4: I'm interested in connecting with anything that's like interested in
Speaker 4: connecting with me, you know, Okay, because I don't need
Speaker 4: to go Like I don't need to like go on
Speaker 4: somebody's turf and have them you'll get off my lawn,
Speaker 4: right Like I don't want the like ghost version of.
Speaker 2: That, right well, because that's the thing that as you
Speaker 2: develop like a mediumship or like being able to connect
Speaker 2: with the spirit world. The part that always scares me
Speaker 2: about that because I feel like I could do that
Speaker 2: as well. I think we all probably could connect more
Speaker 2: in that way if we wanted to. But I what
Speaker 2: I get nervous about is turning it on and off
Speaker 2: and being able to have control of it, because, like
Speaker 2: you know, someone like you, you travel around the world. You're
Speaker 2: in hotel rooms, you're in old thing, You're in all
Speaker 2: these different places where there's probably at least one spirit
Speaker 2: lingering around, and it's a matter of do you want
Speaker 2: to be open to them or not.
Speaker 4: I mean certainly not in hotels. I will tell you that, Like,
Speaker 4: I have never seen a thing in a hotel, but
Speaker 4: there are just some hotel rooms that have given me
Speaker 4: a vibe that I am like, Nope, not interested. I
Speaker 4: need to get some sleep so I can get back
Speaker 4: to the airport, and like whatever is trying to happen
Speaker 4: right now, I am like fully like in nope, block it,
Speaker 4: not interested.
Speaker 3: No, thank you.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a theater ghost experience?
Speaker 4: You know, I personally have not, but I love but
Speaker 4: I but I have heard stories from so many people,
Speaker 4: and I love like the weird interesting. I mean, I
Speaker 4: guess it's not weird, but there's such a theater culture
Speaker 4: around ghosts. Like have you talked with anybody about the
Speaker 4: like ghost light tradition. Oh, yes, it's so weird and
Speaker 4: like fascinating, but also like why would that even exist
Speaker 4: if that were not you know, like it's clearly a
Speaker 4: major issue, like they you know, I mean, especially union theater.
Speaker 3: Is so expensive. If somebody's gonna set up a light,
Speaker 3: you better have a good reason.
Speaker 2: I so basically they put a light on stage when
Speaker 2: the place is closed down that they just keep on
Speaker 2: it all times.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's super creepy.
Speaker 4: Like the light itself is like it's on a stand,
Speaker 4: it has like a cage around it. I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: sure there's other versions of this, but this is what
Speaker 4: I've seen in most theaters, and it just like sits
Speaker 4: in the middle of the stage and like casts an
Speaker 4: eerie glow, which to me, I'm like that feels like
Speaker 4: it makes it worse.
Speaker 3: But okay, but what is.
Speaker 2: The like superstition behind that just.
Speaker 4: That it like I don't know that it keeps the
Speaker 4: ghosts away or happy. I mean, I literally don't know
Speaker 4: what the origin of like why a light would like also,
Speaker 4: like nobody's there, why not let them just do their thing?
Speaker 3: You know, like give them give them a minute.
Speaker 2: It's their space too, right, it's the off hour.
Speaker 4: But but yeah, so I don't know, but I love
Speaker 4: that it's a thing. And it's like does not matter
Speaker 4: whether anyone who works in the theater is even remotely superstitious,
Speaker 4: they still do it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I think that whether people want to
Speaker 2: admit it or not, like superstition is just a part
Speaker 2: of theater culture, oh for sure. Like there's just so
Speaker 2: much of that, and a lot of it is tradition,
Speaker 2: Like what if we don't do this tradition that we
Speaker 2: do every time before the show, Like that's like superstitious.
Speaker 2: It's sort of paranormal or whatever. I guess, And you know,
Speaker 2: don't say the Scottish play. You know, there's just all
Speaker 2: these things that are superstitious. But I think also so
Speaker 2: much of it has to do with the fact that
Speaker 2: most old theaters are haunted.
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred.
Speaker 4: I my friend Scott, who is a very very close
Speaker 4: friend who have done a lot of work in writing
Speaker 4: with In Seattle, there is a theater called Theater off
Speaker 4: Jackson and it's just like a small like you know,
Speaker 4: it's like a small kind of black box, and but
Speaker 4: there there is a backstage on like most black box
Speaker 4: theaters that is just kind of like behind the curtain.
Speaker 4: And Scott has told me so many stories about the time,
Speaker 4: like various times that he has specifically seen and it
Speaker 4: sounds so silly, but he says it with like the
Speaker 4: most intense like it is like one of the scariest
Speaker 4: things that ever happened to him.
Speaker 3: A baby hand.
Speaker 4: Ew Yeah, it's like a baby hand and it moves
Speaker 4: the curtains.
Speaker 2: Okay, So like, so, do you think it's a baby
Speaker 2: or is it like that Kristen Wig character with the
Speaker 2: baby hands.
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 4: I had not even thought of that, but like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I feel like the stuff that's mounted there
Speaker 4: in terms of like what kind of shows are put up,
Speaker 4: is very in the spirit of that Lawrence Welks sketch.
Speaker 2: So, oh my god, a baby hand.
Speaker 3: A baby hand?
Speaker 2: No, well, didn't spooky. Did you ever hear or experience
Speaker 2: the ghosts of Rebar in Seattle?
Speaker 4: No, I've heard a million stories, and I've worked in
Speaker 4: Rebar and actually Scott works in Rebar More than I
Speaker 4: do the guy I'm talking about. And I've heard I've
Speaker 4: heard tons of stories or not even stories. I've just
Speaker 4: heard so many people talk about the ghosts in Rebar.
Speaker 4: But I actually don't know that I've ever been told
Speaker 4: a super specific story because I can't.
Speaker 3: Have you heard stories about Rebar?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I've definitely heard stories about that place. It
Speaker 2: has a long history. There's actually a really good article.
Speaker 2: I have it here. It's from Seattle dot Curbed dot com,
Speaker 2: and it's all about the history and the different the
Speaker 2: different incarnations of that building. But there's a leather Daddy
Speaker 2: ghost there is what there's that tracks Apparently there's a
Speaker 2: lot of different way. Actually, I have here former owner
Speaker 2: Carla Striker.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Carla's a friend. I love her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, aka DJMC Queen Lucky. She says, one time, after closing,
Speaker 2: one of our bartenders was locking up the office door.
Speaker 2: The lights were out, and her back was to the
Speaker 2: dance floor. She felt someone behind her, turned around and
Speaker 2: saw a woman's face in front of her. The bartender
Speaker 2: got the distinct feeling that the woman was mocking her,
Speaker 2: laughing at her for being startled. Then this figure sort
Speaker 2: of got sucked into a little light like old TVs
Speaker 2: when you turn them off, the screen would shrink into
Speaker 2: a little light and then blink off. That is how
Speaker 2: the figure disappeared. But there's like a lot of good
Speaker 2: stories in this article here and then yeah, it says
Speaker 2: many people have said there's a BDSM Daddy ghost.
Speaker 4: You know, I feel like I have heard that in
Speaker 4: the past. I feel like, which I'm very into. Well
Speaker 4: now it's like, I want to go talk to Scott
Speaker 4: and Carla about I want I need them to give
Speaker 4: me the dirt.
Speaker 2: I want to do a live show there.
Speaker 3: They it's gone.
Speaker 2: Is it officially gone?
Speaker 3: I didn't know it's officially gone. It's so sad.
Speaker 4: I mean, Rebar honestly was the best queer performance space
Speaker 4: in Seattle. It housed all the most like legendary acts.
Speaker 4: It was you know, that's where Dina Martina got her
Speaker 4: start and always did her shows. That's where Brown Derby happened.
Speaker 4: That's and you know, and when people would tour through,
Speaker 4: you know, Jackie Beat, Sherry Vine whatever like that was
Speaker 4: the spot.
Speaker 3: And it's super sad.
Speaker 4: But but you know, Seattle is being like every cool
Speaker 4: piece of Seattle culture is.
Speaker 3: Being completely destroyed by Amazon.
Speaker 4: So every time you order from Amazon dot Com, remember
Speaker 4: that you're ruining my life.
Speaker 2: Well is it are they demolishing the building or is it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gone, because they're just like building up. I mean,
Speaker 4: so you know, basically Amazon came in and the population
Speaker 4: like quadrupled because all of these like young, you know,
Speaker 4: like twenty something tech people were like suddenly flooding the city.
Speaker 4: And because the city was flooded with people who just
Speaker 4: moved there, it's like instant erasure of the culture because
Speaker 4: there's no point of reference, right, Like everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is what Seattle's like, but they're all looking at
Speaker 4: each other. So basically everything cool about Seattle got like
Speaker 4: like within five years, all of the queer neighborhood Capitol
Speaker 4: Hill was pretty much turned into like a brunch spot
Speaker 4: and but like you know, like a brunch spot for
Speaker 4: like white ladies with strollers and and yeah, Rebar was
Speaker 4: one of the longest holdouts. It was actually sort of
Speaker 4: like that house and up where it's like there's skyscrapers
Speaker 4: being built around this little dumpy gay bar that was
Speaker 4: just like really still clinging and now it's gone because
Speaker 4: it's like in an area where they're building all this
Speaker 4: housing for all these tech people.
Speaker 2: I hope that there is scary leather daddies that are
Speaker 2: ghosts that are pissed about it, that are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope they're hunting those people. I hope that
Speaker 4: that like creepy woman face is turning on and off
Speaker 4: like an old timey television in some twenty something tech bros.
Speaker 3: Palatial condo.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's do another thing here. You want to hear
Speaker 2: some ghost voices?
Speaker 3: Do I ever? I mean, actually kind of no, not
Speaker 3: at all, but I'm ready, I'm willing. It's that for EVP.
Speaker 2: Or ev please. So I've got two of them here,
Speaker 2: and I want you to tell me what you hear,
Speaker 2: and then I'll give you some options of what this
Speaker 2: particular ghost hunter believes they've captured. So this first one
Speaker 2: comes from EVP Class ABC on YouTube, and it is
Speaker 2: at the Pioneer Square Best Western in Seattle, which is
Speaker 2: a turn of the century boutique hotel said to be haunted.
Speaker 3: Pioneer Square is super haunted.
Speaker 2: So what is this saying?
Speaker 3: Give me that again?
Speaker 4: That's just that's that's like cans behind a car after
Speaker 4: a wedding.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, let me do it. Again. It's like that.
Speaker 3: I don't I mean, I do not hear work.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now I'll give you some options and then maybe
Speaker 2: you'll be able to hear it. Now, Okay, so here's
Speaker 2: the first one. Is it a What's up?
Speaker 3: Bait?
Speaker 2: Is it b butterfly kisses? Is it C Where's my wife?
Speaker 2: Or D burger queen? Okay, now that you've heard those,
Speaker 2: what do you hear now?
Speaker 3: Still I'm gonna go with booger queen Burger queen?
Speaker 2: Uh? They believe it says butterfly kisses. Let me pay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: let me play again.
Speaker 3: I don't hear the kisses because I hear three syllables.
Speaker 2: I know it gets. I think it turns. I think
Speaker 2: it goes from being full voice to to whisper. Is
Speaker 2: what we're I don't like.
Speaker 3: Is there? Did they like slow this down? Or like?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 4: Why would anybody even interpret that as a voice? It
Speaker 4: sounds like pennies in a can?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay, here's one more. This is from
Speaker 2: Washington State Paranormal Society, which their acronym is actually wops,
Speaker 2: which I mean a ghost can have a wop too.
Speaker 2: This is at the Walker Ames House, which is in
Speaker 2: Port Gamble, Washington, and it's apparently a very spooky house
Speaker 2: that it's been around since eighteen eighty nine, and people,
Speaker 2: you know, typical ghost stuff. They report like suspicious sounds,
Speaker 2: spooky feelings, physical touching, odds, smells, apparitions. There's apparently ghosts
Speaker 2: that little children, ghosts in the attic and people leave
Speaker 2: them toys. So here is an EVP. What is it saying? Okay,
Speaker 2: so this one's more of like a whisper, and then
Speaker 2: you can hear a human say something for a second
Speaker 2: at the end, I.
Speaker 3: Think they're like a humans responding like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the way I cut it up, it's
Speaker 2: the whisper kind of goes into the humans. So that's
Speaker 2: why I kept the human there, just so we can
Speaker 2: hear the full whisper. It's saying a couple of different words.
Speaker 2: But here we go. I did again. It's like.
Speaker 3: One more time, one more time. Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Well the beginning sounds like gasp, right, I feel like
Speaker 4: they're saying the word gasp. Like I don't know if
Speaker 4: anybody remembers season six of drag Race, but but.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what's wrong with me? Oh my god?
Speaker 4: Every fan is gonna murder me if I don't remember
Speaker 4: Joslyn Fox. Oh my god, I can't believe a god
Speaker 4: name anyway. Joslyn Fox, like in a challenge, is supposed
Speaker 4: to gasp, but instead she reads the word gasp off
Speaker 4: the script.
Speaker 2: So that's all I'm hearing. Okay, Well, let me give
Speaker 2: you some options here. Is it A no one's doing
Speaker 2: the dishes? Is it B this toy sucks? Is it
Speaker 2: C that's not fair? Or D gasp? Want want all
Speaker 2: right me?
Speaker 3: Well, okay one more time. Oh my god, this is
Speaker 3: the hardest game I've ever played in my life.
Speaker 2: Well, these ones are a little bit hard. I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna lie. I was trying to find some good Washington
Speaker 2: ones and this is where we ended up.
Speaker 3: Whatever, it's clearly gas.
Speaker 2: They believe it's no one's doing the dishes. No one's
Speaker 2: doing the dishes.
Speaker 3: I mean, I am just like not hearing that.
Speaker 2: I know. It's also easier like with headphones, and we're
Speaker 2: doing this over zooms. I've given them the benefit of
Speaker 2: the don't I'm just gonna rattle.
Speaker 3: So what were their circumstances? Was anyone doing the dishes?
Speaker 2: Apparently not? I don't know.
Speaker 3: This was in that I just feel like that's like
Speaker 3: we need contextual information.
Speaker 2: Well they did. I didn't include this part because I'm
Speaker 2: always like, let's just hear the voice and see how
Speaker 2: clear it is. But they said it was in the
Speaker 2: kitchen of the house, so maybe that makes a little
Speaker 2: bit more sense. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess that lends credibility.
Speaker 2: Okay, well you know what, Ben, this has been wonderful
Speaker 2: and you're one of these people where I reached out
Speaker 2: to you and you're like, I don't really have any
Speaker 2: ghost stories, girl, this is this is a great episode.
Speaker 4: Well then I like thought about it and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess I got some stuff. And then it was like,
Speaker 4: well what I have to say? Well, maybe take like
Speaker 4: ten minutes. I don't know how we're gonna fill the
Speaker 4: rest of the time. But now I'm like, I feel
Speaker 4: like we're gonna We're gonna have to do sequels.
Speaker 2: Please. I would love to keep your eyes and ears
Speaker 2: open if anything else happens, and come on back and
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna do Rachel's connection to spirit and see
Speaker 4: where it leads Meow.
Speaker 2: Well, can you tell everybody you know where to find you?
Speaker 2: And all that stuff yays.
Speaker 4: You can find me on old social media, well not
Speaker 4: really because I don't use TikTok because I'm not from
Speaker 4: five hundred years from now. But you can find me
Speaker 4: on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook at Bendo La Creme all one word.
Speaker 4: And you know, the next big thing I have going
Speaker 4: on is that I'm working on production for Jinks and
Speaker 4: my holiday tour, which is November and December throughout the UK,
Speaker 4: US and Canada. So go to Jinksondala dot com if
Speaker 4: you want to find me, I probably will, like maybe
Speaker 4: we'll tell a Christmas ghost story, maybe we'll do some
Speaker 4: Christmas carols.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean that's one of my favorite parts
Speaker 2: of Christmas.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.
Speaker 2: And we had Jinks on around Christmas time last year
Speaker 2: and I was just like raving about your special and
Speaker 2: then you guys making a cameo and what was the
Speaker 2: holiday movie?
Speaker 3: Was it called Happy at Seasons?
Speaker 2: You guys are the Christmas Queens. Now I love.
Speaker 4: It, I know, yeah, I'm really I'm so excited to
Speaker 4: get back on the road with that because it really
Speaker 4: is like one of my favorite projects and I just
Speaker 4: look forward to it all year. So, you know, knock
Speaker 4: on wood, everything's gonna be in good shape by November.
Speaker 2: Yay, Thank you so much to Benda la Creme. If
Speaker 2: you want to hear a little bit more, go to
Speaker 2: patreon dot com slash roles dressful Ess. On my second
Speaker 2: tier you can hear. You can hear us analyzing a
Speaker 2: Bigfoot video and talking about unexplained phenomena such as UFO's
Speaker 2: time travel, haunted dolls, that kind of stuff. Please rate
Speaker 2: the show five stars on Apple Podcasts, and if you
Speaker 2: have a ghost story, you could leave it in a
Speaker 2: five star review. I also would love to hear your
Speaker 2: ghost stories to be on future Listener episodes, so please
Speaker 2: email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com
Speaker 2: subject line listener episode. Give me a couple bullet points
Speaker 2: about the story is that you have and maybe we
Speaker 2: could work something out. I also have a Facebook group
Speaker 2: called Ghosted by Roz dres Fales, great place to leave
Speaker 2: a story to connect with other people that like this weird,
Speaker 2: funky shit. I'm on Instagram at Roz Hernandez Cameo Roz
Speaker 2: dress Fales. I love you all, both living and dead.
Speaker 2: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
Speaker 2: haunt me. Came back star a podcast network,