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Speaker 2: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way Wait.

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Speaker 1: A minute, I said, niras Jess, Hey boo, it's me

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Speaker 1: raz Oh my gosh, okay, I'm I can't believe this.

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Speaker 2: But I did not even see this. It turns out

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Speaker 2: that there was the ninth siding of Miss Lockness Monster

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Speaker 2: actually posted at the beginning of August on the mirror

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Speaker 2: the UK tob Loyd and okay, so it says that

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Speaker 2: somebody named Colin Vcock was scanning the water with his

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Speaker 2: binoculars and he noticed something that was two thirds across

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Speaker 2: which led him to assess that he saw what he

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Speaker 2: saw was nearly two feet high and ten to twelve

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Speaker 2: feet long. He said the same was witnessed by two

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Speaker 2: other families. So, okay, so she's twelve feet long. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. For some reason in my mind I always

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Speaker 2: thought that she was like gigantic, like sixty feet or something.

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Speaker 2: But okay, all right, all right, miss NeSSI I'm listening,

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Speaker 2: says also A man and his daughter from Chester reported

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Speaker 2: seeing an unidentified movement in the lock on July nineteenth. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so she's trying to be seen. Six of the sightings

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Speaker 2: so she's a cam model. I see. Scientists have earlier

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Speaker 2: possibly just be a giant eel. The official register has

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Speaker 2: now logged one and thirty nine sightings from records and

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Speaker 2: other evidence stretching back through the centuries. So I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Lockness monster yet. But I can't decide. Maybe she's starting

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Speaker 2: to finally want to step out and have the world

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Speaker 2: like this is that paparazzi culture that we need to

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Speaker 2: just let the stars live their lives. Let's not you know,

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Speaker 2: if she wants us to see her, she'll let us

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Speaker 2: see her. But other than that, I say, let her be,

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Speaker 2: That's when I'm going to really believe it. I also

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Speaker 2: wanted to read a Facebook group ghost story that was

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Speaker 2: posted in our Facebook group called ghosted by Rosdressfallese. This

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Speaker 2: comes from Celia Hey Celia, who writes while staying at

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Speaker 2: a friend's cabin in the mountains recently, my partner was

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Speaker 2: Also at that point, I realized that there weren't any

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Speaker 2: we think maybe there's a female presence. Other experiences that

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Speaker 2: my friends have had there fucking circus music. The creepiest

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Speaker 2: Thank you Celia for sharing that story. It reminds me

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Speaker 2: today I have got Ben de Lagrem, who you may

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Speaker 2: I love Benda La Grem, and I reached out Dayla

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Speaker 2: was like, I like ghosts, I don't really have much

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Speaker 2: I found a recent bigfoot video that the two of

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Speaker 2: us talk about. It was the Bigfoot allegedly was captured

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Speaker 2: I am joined by Ben Dela Greme. Hello, Hi, how

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Speaker 2: are you? I am so good? You know, I don't

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Speaker 3: Thank you. I'm a huge fan of yours as well.

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Speaker 4: Also, I just want to say, like, I've been such

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, thank you that show.

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Speaker 4: So don't tell like Wilhelm or Kimchi, but you stole

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you. How's everything going? First of all, how

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Speaker 4: Went to an exorcist. She's actually specifically like.

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Speaker 2: So first of all, so the book is incredible. You

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Speaker 2: It's okay, okay, So I'm dying to hear about this.

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Speaker 4: then like why not you know? So, uh So we

433
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 4: go into her space and she kind.

434
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 3: Of first talks me through what it's going to be.

435
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: She kind of like says, you know, how how we're

436
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 4: going to go about this, and then the next step

437
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,719
Speaker 4: was she was like, I'm going to ask you a

438
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: couple of questions about your life, and then I'm going

439
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 4: to be or no, I'm going to ask you a

440
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 4: couple questions about your life, but as you answer them,

441
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be looking at you. I'm going

442
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 4: to be looking to the spirits, whatever is present, who's

443
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 4: you know. And I'm paraphrasing this, and I like, am

444
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 4: sure that she would listen to this and be like,

445
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 4: oh my god, you're saying that wrong, But this is

446
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 4: the vibe.

447
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 2: Well, she has her own like language, you know, because

448
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: because what she does is like something that I don't

449
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: think anybody else really does. So she kind of has

450
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: her own terms for different things.

451
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 3: And exactly I'm sure I'm getting them all wrong.

452
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,679
Speaker 2: But the good news is she has a book and

453
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: there's you can you can definitely you could listen to

454
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: the two times she's been on this show, like people,

455
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: if people are curious, there's ways of figuring this out,

456
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: what her process is like more.

457
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 3: Holding my babbel.

458
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 4: But so she's basically like, I'm going to listen to

459
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 4: these spirit guides and I'm going to they are going

460
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,959
Speaker 4: to be answering as you're answering, and their answers may

461
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 4: not be the same as yours. So she started asking

462
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: me about my childhood, and I'm telling her the story

463
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 4: of just kind of like this happened, then this happened,

464
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 4: then this happened, just like you know, physically where my

465
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 4: body moved through space and how it fell, you know,

466
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 4: and you know, after asking me a series of questions,

467
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 4: she's like, Okay, this is this is how these other

468
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: spirits present answered these questions. And in some ways it

469
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 4: was the same. In some ways it was very different.

470
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 4: But one of the things she brought up that I

471
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 4: had not brought up at all, because I did not

472
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: talk about any of the.

473
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: Stuff that I have talked to you about thus.

474
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: Far, is, she said to me, when you were very young,

475
00:27:54,760 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 4: you were able to see entities and spirits. You like

476
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 4: had this connection and you had this ability and this openness.

477
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 4: And over the years you were told that this was

478
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 4: you know, silly and ridiculous and in your head, and

479
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: so you stuffed it down and you no longer have

480
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 4: that access, but you can have it if you develop it.

481
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 2: So how do you feel about that? Do you want

482
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: to develop it.

483
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: I think that, you know, when you're a kid, it's

484
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 4: like you don't have control over anything in your life, right,

485
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 4: It's like you're at the mercy of the adults in

486
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 4: your life. Like you're you're still forming as a human being,

487
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 4: your brain is still taking shape, right, So it's like,

488
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: you know, you're at the mercy of I mean, we're

489
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 4: all at the mercy of like our moods and our

490
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 4: brains and our physical selves, but like even more so

491
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 4: as a child, so like you don't have control over anything,

492
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 4: So why would you have control over something like that?

493
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 3: Right?

494
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 4: But as an adult, I have tools, I have intention,

495
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: I have critical thought, and so if I were to

496
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 4: go back down that route, I think that, you know,

497
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 4: I can. I have people like Rachel who I can

498
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 4: look to to help do that in a way that

499
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 4: has intention and is not as scary and dangerous feeling.

500
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: So I am interested in that. I don't know quite how.

501
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 4: I want that to happen, but I'm definitely at a

502
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 4: point in my life where I'm wanting to reconnect to

503
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 4: a greater sense of spirituality in general. You know, I

504
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: have cultivated my brain for so long in terms of

505
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 4: self reflection as I said of it in therapy for

506
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 4: many years.

507
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, I.

508
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 4: Tend to really over intellectualize thing, like when I'm even

509
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 4: writing shows, it's very like research heavy and you know, so,

510
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 4: so that's the part of my brain I'm really comfortable with.

511
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 4: And I feel like I'm at this moment where I'm like, oh,

512
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 4: you know, I mean whatever, I'm about to turn forty,

513
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: maybe some midlife crisis, but I'm ready to like kind

514
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: of explore this other way of looking at my relationship

515
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 4: to the world around me and my sort of inner life,

516
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 4: if that makes sense.

517
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Oh my god, this I'm thinking so much

518
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: about when you were a child, and because I did,

519
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna say it at first, but what you

520
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: described to me in the corner of your bedroom as

521
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: a child sounds so much like what she describes of

522
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: like entities and stuff like kind of creepy crawley things

523
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: like that.

524
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you know, And I have not again, I

525
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,479
Speaker 4: have not spoken to her directly about any of those

526
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: experiences or what I like I saw.

527
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: You know, she's the real deal.

528
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 3: Huh, Yeah, I mean I am.

529
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 4: I just really, I mean, I feel like, you know,

530
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 4: something that's so amazing about her is it's like her

531
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: knowledge and her abilities, she is so clear and confident

532
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 4: in them that it does it just is like okay, yeah,

533
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: like this has validity and wait and I there is

534
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: no reason I should not like explore this in the

535
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 4: same way I would explore anything that you know, in

536
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 4: my mind, I've rationalized already, you know.

537
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: M yeah, I am, you know, and I for me too.

538
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: It's like I think in metaphor a lot, and you know,

539
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 4: part of that is just comes from being a writer.

540
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 4: But but I think there's a reason, right, Like there's

541
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 4: a reason that we we try to make whatever we try,

542
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 4: we as a species try to make sense out of

543
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: things through storytelling, right, And that's like where religion comes from,

544
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: that's where you know, and that's where science comes from.

545
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 3: You know.

546
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 4: Although it's you know, I would not qualify that as storytelling,

547
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 4: it's still like this need for like a narrative explanation,

548
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 4: a narrative story around something.

549
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: And so.

550
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: I so anyway, I make a lot of links, right,

551
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 4: and like, to me, what she's describing with like you

552
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 4: had something innate as a kid, and you were like

553
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 4: shamed around it and have it stuffed down like that's

554
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 4: also the queer experience, right, So it's like, in what

555
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 4: ways are those things linked?

556
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: You know?

557
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 4: And I have like five billion thoughts on you know how,

558
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: Like I actually wrote a show about a haunted house

559
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 4: called Me where the Terror of Gaylord Manner and it's

560
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: like super campy and shticky and all of this stuff,

561
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 4: But ultimately it's like using ghosts and monsters as like

562
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 4: a metaphor for the queer experience and go specifically as

563
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: metaphor for the way that we're like, you know, shamed

564
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 4: about things early on, and then we repeat these stories

565
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 4: over and over and those stories keep us trapped and

566
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: keep us from moving forward in the same way that

567
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 4: you know, which is like and I just feel like

568
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 4: there's a link, there's you know, I don't know what

569
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: it is, but there's a reason that these queer stories

570
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: and ghost stories feel parallel.

571
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean it also makes you think, well,

572
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: what else have I stuffed down since childhood? Or yeah,

573
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 2: you know that that innocent brain that has been clouded

574
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: by so much of society telling me what I should

575
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: and shouldn't do. I mean, that's what coming to terms

576
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: with my gender identity as I've gotten older, it's like, oh,

577
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: this is stuff that I've known this whole time. It's

578
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: just society gets in the way and life gets in

579
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 2: the way, and then you as you get older, you're like, okay,

580
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: time to reconnect, Like I'm in charge here and I

581
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: want to expel and it's a beauty of life. Baby.

582
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean that's been my experience as like a

583
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 4: queer person in terms of I mean just how I

584
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 4: relate to my own queerness, but also as an artist,

585
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: you know, because when I make the best work, it

586
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 4: looks the most like how my imagination ran wild when

587
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: I was a child.

588
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: You know.

589
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 4: I feel like so much of growing up is undoing

590
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 4: what has what the world is stifled that was just

591
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 4: already inherently you know.

592
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wait, so do you feel that she and this

593
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 2: might be too personal or whatever, but did she remove

594
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 2: anything from you or you know, did she exercise any

595
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: any entities?

596
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

597
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 4: You know, so she did tell me that she saw

598
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 4: one minor entity on me, and I don't remember the

599
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 4: name of it, but the way she described it as

600
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 4: something that amplifies. So she said it's like not something

601
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 4: to worry about. It's like she was like, you know,

602
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 4: we'll get rid of it here today.

603
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 3: But this is this is something that just.

604
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 4: Sort of and again I'm paraphrasing, and I'm sure she

605
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 4: could describe it better, but something that just kind of

606
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: intensifies what you're feeling and what you're going through, right,

607
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 4: which is like makes a ton of sense that that

608
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 4: attachment would exist post pandemic and like, you know, like

609
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: during this I mean collectively traumatic time, right. And I

610
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 4: don't know when that thing attached, but you know, I

611
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 4: mean I I was bonkers during the pandemic and afterwards

612
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 4: and still you know, in recovery essentially, and I think

613
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 4: a lot of people are. But but that perfectly made

614
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 4: sense to me that that would be present at this time.

615
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 4: And you know, without going into too much detail about

616
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 4: the ceremony itself, I call it a ceremony.

617
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 3: I do not know that she would call it that,

618
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 3: but it I but it.

619
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 4: Felt it felt like a spiritual ceremony to me in

620
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 4: the ways that like, you know, the limited knowledge I

621
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 4: have of like you know, I don't know like indigenous

622
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 4: cultures and stuff, you.

623
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 3: Know, but.

624
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: You know, she was like calling on various spirits and

625
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: energies and to come and move things through me and

626
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 4: I don't pretend to understand all of it. And I also,

627
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 4: you know, one of the things she talks about afterwards

628
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: is she's like, you know, this is one step, but

629
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: it is up to you to like cultivate this connection.

630
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 4: Like she essentially connects you to maybe some things you've

631
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: been blocked around, but like it's up to you to

632
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 4: maintain that openness. And she has like sort of a

633
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 4: spiritual practice that if you go to her Instagram, there's

634
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 4: several posts that kind of outline it. But it's just

635
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: something you do a few minutes a day and you

636
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 4: kind of call on spirit or whatever your you know,

637
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 4: kind of power is, and just kind of ask to

638
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 4: be open, ask to be connected with, ask to be

639
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: communicated with.

640
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: And again it's.

641
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 4: Like whether that to me is like a physical whether

642
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 4: that's like a physical spirit like coming to me in

643
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 4: that sense, or if that's just like an energetic reminder

644
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 4: for me to be more aware of the energies around

645
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 4: me and the spirituality of the world and what my

646
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 4: intuition is telling me. Like it kind of to me

647
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 4: doesn't matter which thing that is.

648
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: You know, I see when I hear her talk about

649
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: the stuff I view it as like an incredible like

650
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: she doesn't look at it like this, but like a

651
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 2: life coach or something, where yes, she's basically like, you

652
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 2: got to keep the vibration up. Basically you got to

653
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: take good care of yourself and you've got to be

654
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: a good person or the demons are gonna be You're

655
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: gonna look sexy to the demons and they're gonna cling

656
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: on to you, so you need to like repel them

657
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: through your positivity. Is sort of one of the things

658
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: that I take away from what she has to say.

659
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I think the most skeptical version of it

660
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: is still just like it's it's a language, and it's

661
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 4: a lens through which to reconnect to your intuition and

662
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 4: your connection to the world around you. You know, whether

663
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 4: that's just like nature or you know, like listening more

664
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 4: to yourself, reconnecting with those those childhood understandings that maybe

665
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: have been uh you know, shamed out of you.

666
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,479
Speaker 3: Over the years.

667
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 4: I mean, even even if that's all that's happening, that's

668
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 4: like a really important thing to do. And ultimately, again

669
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 4: I just like actually don't care whether it's that or

670
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: like a physical spirit, you know.

671
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: Uh huh, Yeah, exactly. It's sort of like with a

672
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 2: lot of religions, or probably all religions or most it's like,

673
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 2: just be a good person. And it's like if you

674
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 2: need to call it a religion or not, it's like, ultimately,

675
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 2: I think we all just want to be our best selves.

676
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of how you get that message.

677
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: You know, maybe it's.

678
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 4: Truly And it's like when religion is useful is when

679
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 4: again it's like a lens to look through to help

680
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 4: you be a better person, be more connected, be more

681
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 4: aware of the idea of like community, responsibility to community,

682
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 4: and responsibility to yourself. And when religion gets like dangerous

683
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 4: and messed up is when people start to be like, yes,

684
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 4: this physical thing happened, this you know, man rows out

685
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 4: of a cave. You know, like like that's that's when

686
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: religion starts to get weaponized.

687
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: Is when people are taking it too literally right right.

688
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 2: And there's a very fun line between that and a

689
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: good ghost story, though, you know, it's like.

690
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 3: I mean, it is a ghost story. Where's the line?

691
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 2: I guess the only difference is that I am not

692
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: a registered church. If anyone is listening to this podcast,

693
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 2: you do not take this as doctrine, I just share

694
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: lots of ghost stories.

695
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 4: Speaking as a registered church, I'm saying I'm one hundred

696
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 4: percent right about everything.

697
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: Well, so have you now that you have you're on

698
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 2: this journey. It sounds like, how do you feel about

699
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: going to a haunted place? Are you excited? Or are

700
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: do you get scared?

701
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 3: Like?

702
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: What do you how do you appress.

703
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: Zero desire to go to a haunted place? Like I

704
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 4: don't even want to go to my dad's house, right,

705
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: he still lives in that creepy ass house. But right,

706
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 4: because it's like if you, I mean for me, I'm

707
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: sure there are people who have different experiences and different

708
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 4: reasons for wanting to go, But I'm like, what I'm

709
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: interested in connecting with is not something that's like dwelling

710
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 4: in one of those spaces, because who knows what's there.

711
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 4: I'm interested in connecting with anything that's like interested in

712
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: connecting with me, you know, Okay, because I don't need

713
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 4: to go Like I don't need to like go on

714
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: somebody's turf and have them you'll get off my lawn,

715
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 4: right Like I don't want the like ghost version of.

716
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 2: That, right well, because that's the thing that as you

717
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: develop like a mediumship or like being able to connect

718
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: with the spirit world. The part that always scares me

719
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: about that because I feel like I could do that

720
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: as well. I think we all probably could connect more

721
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: in that way if we wanted to. But I what

722
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 2: I get nervous about is turning it on and off

723
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 2: and being able to have control of it, because, like

724
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,919
Speaker 2: you know, someone like you, you travel around the world. You're

725
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 2: in hotel rooms, you're in old thing, You're in all

726
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: these different places where there's probably at least one spirit

727
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: lingering around, and it's a matter of do you want

728
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: to be open to them or not.

729
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 4: I mean certainly not in hotels. I will tell you that, Like,

730
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 4: I have never seen a thing in a hotel, but

731
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: there are just some hotel rooms that have given me

732
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 4: a vibe that I am like, Nope, not interested. I

733
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 4: need to get some sleep so I can get back

734
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 4: to the airport, and like whatever is trying to happen

735
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 4: right now, I am like fully like in nope, block it,

736
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 4: not interested.

737
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 3: No, thank you.

738
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 2: Have you ever had a theater ghost experience?

739
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 4: You know, I personally have not, but I love but

740
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 4: I but I have heard stories from so many people,

741
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 4: and I love like the weird interesting. I mean, I

742
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 4: guess it's not weird, but there's such a theater culture

743
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 4: around ghosts. Like have you talked with anybody about the

744
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 4: like ghost light tradition. Oh, yes, it's so weird and

745
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 4: like fascinating, but also like why would that even exist

746
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: if that were not you know, like it's clearly a

747
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: major issue, like they you know, I mean, especially union theater.

748
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 3: Is so expensive. If somebody's gonna set up a light,

749
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: you better have a good reason.

750
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 2: I so basically they put a light on stage when

751
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: the place is closed down that they just keep on

752
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 2: it all times.

753
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's super creepy.

754
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: Like the light itself is like it's on a stand,

755
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: it has like a cage around it. I mean, I'm

756
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 4: sure there's other versions of this, but this is what

757
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 4: I've seen in most theaters, and it just like sits

758
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 4: in the middle of the stage and like casts an

759
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: eerie glow, which to me, I'm like that feels like

760
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:35,479
Speaker 4: it makes it worse.

761
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: But okay, but what is.

762
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 2: The like superstition behind that just.

763
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: That it like I don't know that it keeps the

764
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 4: ghosts away or happy. I mean, I literally don't know

765
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 4: what the origin of like why a light would like also,

766
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 4: like nobody's there, why not let them just do their thing?

767
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: You know, like give them give them a minute.

768
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: It's their space too, right, it's the off hour.

769
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 4: But but yeah, so I don't know, but I love

770
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 4: that it's a thing. And it's like does not matter

771
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 4: whether anyone who works in the theater is even remotely superstitious,

772
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 4: they still do it.

773
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I think that whether people want to

774
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 2: admit it or not, like superstition is just a part

775
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: of theater culture, oh for sure. Like there's just so

776
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 2: much of that, and a lot of it is tradition,

777
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 2: Like what if we don't do this tradition that we

778
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: do every time before the show, Like that's like superstitious.

779
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: It's sort of paranormal or whatever. I guess, And you know,

780
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: don't say the Scottish play. You know, there's just all

781
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: these things that are superstitious. But I think also so

782
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 2: much of it has to do with the fact that

783
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 2: most old theaters are haunted.

784
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred.

785
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 4: I my friend Scott, who is a very very close

786
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 4: friend who have done a lot of work in writing

787
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 4: with In Seattle, there is a theater called Theater off

788
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 4: Jackson and it's just like a small like you know,

789
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 4: it's like a small kind of black box, and but

790
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 4: there there is a backstage on like most black box

791
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 4: theaters that is just kind of like behind the curtain.

792
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: And Scott has told me so many stories about the time,

793
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 4: like various times that he has specifically seen and it

794
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 4: sounds so silly, but he says it with like the

795
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 4: most intense like it is like one of the scariest

796
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 4: things that ever happened to him.

797
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 3: A baby hand.

798
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 4: Ew Yeah, it's like a baby hand and it moves

799
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: the curtains.

800
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: Okay, So like, so, do you think it's a baby

801
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: or is it like that Kristen Wig character with the

802
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: baby hands.

803
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 3: Oh?

804
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 4: I had not even thought of that, but like, yeah,

805
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 4: I mean I feel like the stuff that's mounted there

806
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 4: in terms of like what kind of shows are put up,

807
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 4: is very in the spirit of that Lawrence Welks sketch.

808
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: So, oh my god, a baby hand.

809
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 3: A baby hand?

810
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 2: No, well, didn't spooky. Did you ever hear or experience

811
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 2: the ghosts of Rebar in Seattle?

812
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 4: No, I've heard a million stories, and I've worked in

813
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 4: Rebar and actually Scott works in Rebar More than I

814
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 4: do the guy I'm talking about. And I've heard I've

815
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: heard tons of stories or not even stories. I've just

816
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 4: heard so many people talk about the ghosts in Rebar.

817
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 4: But I actually don't know that I've ever been told

818
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 4: a super specific story because I can't.

819
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: Have you heard stories about Rebar?

820
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, I've definitely heard stories about that place. It

821
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 2: has a long history. There's actually a really good article.

822
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: I have it here. It's from Seattle dot Curbed dot com,

823
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: and it's all about the history and the different the

824
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 2: different incarnations of that building. But there's a leather Daddy

825
00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 2: ghost there is what there's that tracks Apparently there's a

826
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 2: lot of different way. Actually, I have here former owner

827
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 2: Carla Striker.

828
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Carla's a friend. I love her.

829
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, aka DJMC Queen Lucky. She says, one time, after closing,

830
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 2: one of our bartenders was locking up the office door.

831
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: The lights were out, and her back was to the

832
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 2: dance floor. She felt someone behind her, turned around and

833
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: saw a woman's face in front of her. The bartender

834
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: got the distinct feeling that the woman was mocking her,

835
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: laughing at her for being startled. Then this figure sort

836
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: of got sucked into a little light like old TVs

837
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 2: when you turn them off, the screen would shrink into

838
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 2: a little light and then blink off. That is how

839
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: the figure disappeared. But there's like a lot of good

840
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: stories in this article here and then yeah, it says

841
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 2: many people have said there's a BDSM Daddy ghost.

842
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 4: You know, I feel like I have heard that in

843
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 4: the past. I feel like, which I'm very into. Well

844
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 4: now it's like, I want to go talk to Scott

845
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 4: and Carla about I want I need them to give

846
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 4: me the dirt.

847
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 2: I want to do a live show there.

848
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 3: They it's gone.

849
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: Is it officially gone?

850
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: I didn't know it's officially gone. It's so sad.

851
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,480
Speaker 4: I mean, Rebar honestly was the best queer performance space

852
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 4: in Seattle. It housed all the most like legendary acts.

853
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: It was you know, that's where Dina Martina got her

854
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 4: start and always did her shows. That's where Brown Derby happened.

855
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 4: That's and you know, and when people would tour through,

856
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 4: you know, Jackie Beat, Sherry Vine whatever like that was

857
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 4: the spot.

858
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: And it's super sad.

859
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 4: But but you know, Seattle is being like every cool

860
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,879
Speaker 4: piece of Seattle culture is.

861
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 3: Being completely destroyed by Amazon.

862
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 4: So every time you order from Amazon dot Com, remember

863
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 4: that you're ruining my life.

864
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 2: Well is it are they demolishing the building or is it?

865
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gone, because they're just like building up. I mean,

866
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 4: so you know, basically Amazon came in and the population

867
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 4: like quadrupled because all of these like young, you know,

868
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: like twenty something tech people were like suddenly flooding the city.

869
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: And because the city was flooded with people who just

870
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 4: moved there, it's like instant erasure of the culture because

871
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 4: there's no point of reference, right, Like everybody's like, oh,

872
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 4: this is what Seattle's like, but they're all looking at

873
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 4: each other. So basically everything cool about Seattle got like

874
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 4: like within five years, all of the queer neighborhood Capitol

875
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 4: Hill was pretty much turned into like a brunch spot

876
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 4: and but like you know, like a brunch spot for

877
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: like white ladies with strollers and and yeah, Rebar was

878
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 4: one of the longest holdouts. It was actually sort of

879
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 4: like that house and up where it's like there's skyscrapers

880
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 4: being built around this little dumpy gay bar that was

881
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 4: just like really still clinging and now it's gone because

882
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 4: it's like in an area where they're building all this

883
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 4: housing for all these tech people.

884
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 2: I hope that there is scary leather daddies that are

885
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 2: ghosts that are pissed about it, that are.

886
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope they're hunting those people. I hope that

887
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 4: that like creepy woman face is turning on and off

888
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 4: like an old timey television in some twenty something tech bros.

889
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 3: Palatial condo.

890
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: Yes, let's do another thing here. You want to hear

891
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 2: some ghost voices?

892
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 3: Do I ever? I mean, actually kind of no, not

893
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 3: at all, but I'm ready, I'm willing. It's that for EVP.

894
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: Or ev please. So I've got two of them here,

895
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: and I want you to tell me what you hear,

896
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 2: and then I'll give you some options of what this

897
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: particular ghost hunter believes they've captured. So this first one

898
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: comes from EVP Class ABC on YouTube, and it is

899
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: at the Pioneer Square Best Western in Seattle, which is

900
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: a turn of the century boutique hotel said to be haunted.

901
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: Pioneer Square is super haunted.

902
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: So what is this saying?

903
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 3: Give me that again?

904
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 4: That's just that's that's like cans behind a car after

905
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 4: a wedding.

906
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, let me do it. Again. It's like that.

907
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 3: I don't I mean, I do not hear work.

908
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: Okay, Now I'll give you some options and then maybe

909
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 2: you'll be able to hear it. Now, Okay, so here's

910
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 2: the first one. Is it a What's up?

911
00:51:59,719 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 3: Bait?

912
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 2: Is it b butterfly kisses? Is it C Where's my wife?

913
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: Or D burger queen? Okay, now that you've heard those,

914
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: what do you hear now?

915
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 3: Still I'm gonna go with booger queen Burger queen?

916
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 2: Uh? They believe it says butterfly kisses. Let me pay, Yeah,

917
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: let me play again.

918
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 3: I don't hear the kisses because I hear three syllables.

919
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 2: I know it gets. I think it turns. I think

920
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 2: it goes from being full voice to to whisper. Is

921
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 2: what we're I don't like.

922
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: Is there? Did they like slow this down? Or like?

923
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: Why?

924
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 4: Why would anybody even interpret that as a voice? It

925
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 4: sounds like pennies in a can?

926
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 2: I don't know. Okay, here's one more. This is from

927
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: Washington State Paranormal Society, which their acronym is actually wops,

928
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 2: which I mean a ghost can have a wop too.

929
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 2: This is at the Walker Ames House, which is in

930
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: Port Gamble, Washington, and it's apparently a very spooky house

931
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:24,720
Speaker 2: that it's been around since eighteen eighty nine, and people,

932
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 2: you know, typical ghost stuff. They report like suspicious sounds,

933
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 2: spooky feelings, physical touching, odds, smells, apparitions. There's apparently ghosts

934
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: that little children, ghosts in the attic and people leave

935
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: them toys. So here is an EVP. What is it saying? Okay,

936
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: so this one's more of like a whisper, and then

937
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: you can hear a human say something for a second

938
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 2: at the end, I.

939
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 3: Think they're like a humans responding like.

940
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just the way I cut it up, it's

941
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: the whisper kind of goes into the humans. So that's

942
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: why I kept the human there, just so we can

943
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 2: hear the full whisper. It's saying a couple of different words.

944
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 2: But here we go. I did again. It's like.

945
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:29,280
Speaker 3: One more time, one more time. Oh my god.

946
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,000
Speaker 4: Well the beginning sounds like gasp, right, I feel like

947
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 4: they're saying the word gasp. Like I don't know if

948
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 4: anybody remembers season six of drag Race, but but.

949
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what's wrong with me? Oh my god?

950
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 4: Every fan is gonna murder me if I don't remember

951
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 4: Joslyn Fox. Oh my god, I can't believe a god

952
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 4: name anyway. Joslyn Fox, like in a challenge, is supposed

953
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 4: to gasp, but instead she reads the word gasp off

954
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 4: the script.

955
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 2: So that's all I'm hearing. Okay, Well, let me give

956
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 2: you some options here. Is it A no one's doing

957
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: the dishes? Is it B this toy sucks? Is it

958
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 2: C that's not fair? Or D gasp? Want want all

959
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: right me?

960
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 3: Well, okay one more time. Oh my god, this is

961
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 3: the hardest game I've ever played in my life.

962
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: Well, these ones are a little bit hard. I'm not

963
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 2: gonna lie. I was trying to find some good Washington

964
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 2: ones and this is where we ended up.

965
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 3: Whatever, it's clearly gas.

966
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:48,280
Speaker 2: They believe it's no one's doing the dishes. No one's

967
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,240
Speaker 2: doing the dishes.

968
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 3: I mean, I am just like not hearing that.

969
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: I know. It's also easier like with headphones, and we're

970
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: doing this over zooms. I've given them the benefit of

971
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 2: the don't I'm just gonna rattle.

972
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,720
Speaker 3: So what were their circumstances? Was anyone doing the dishes?

973
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: Apparently not? I don't know.

974
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: This was in that I just feel like that's like

975
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 3: we need contextual information.

976
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: Well they did. I didn't include this part because I'm

977
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 2: always like, let's just hear the voice and see how

978
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: clear it is. But they said it was in the

979
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 2: kitchen of the house, so maybe that makes a little

980
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: bit more sense. I don't know.

981
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 3: I guess that lends credibility.

982
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: Okay, well you know what, Ben, this has been wonderful

983
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 2: and you're one of these people where I reached out

984
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: to you and you're like, I don't really have any

985
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 2: ghost stories, girl, this is this is a great episode.

986
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 4: Well then I like thought about it and I was like, oh, yeah,

987
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 4: I guess I got some stuff. And then it was like,

988
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 4: well what I have to say? Well, maybe take like

989
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 4: ten minutes. I don't know how we're gonna fill the

990
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 4: rest of the time. But now I'm like, I feel

991
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 4: like we're gonna We're gonna have to do sequels.

992
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: Please. I would love to keep your eyes and ears

993
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 2: open if anything else happens, and come on back and

994
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it.

995
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna do Rachel's connection to spirit and see

996
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,240
Speaker 4: where it leads Meow.

997
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 2: Well, can you tell everybody you know where to find you?

998
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: And all that stuff yays.

999
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 4: You can find me on old social media, well not

1000
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:09,839
Speaker 4: really because I don't use TikTok because I'm not from

1001
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 4: five hundred years from now. But you can find me

1002
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 4: on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook at Bendo La Creme all one word.

1003
00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 4: And you know, the next big thing I have going

1004
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 4: on is that I'm working on production for Jinks and

1005
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 4: my holiday tour, which is November and December throughout the UK,

1006
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 4: US and Canada. So go to Jinksondala dot com if

1007
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 4: you want to find me, I probably will, like maybe

1008
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,320
Speaker 4: we'll tell a Christmas ghost story, maybe we'll do some

1009
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 4: Christmas carols.

1010
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean that's one of my favorite parts

1011
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: of Christmas.

1012
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.

1013
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: And we had Jinks on around Christmas time last year

1014
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: and I was just like raving about your special and

1015
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 2: then you guys making a cameo and what was the

1016
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: holiday movie?

1017
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: Was it called Happy at Seasons?

1018
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: You guys are the Christmas Queens. Now I love.

1019
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 4: It, I know, yeah, I'm really I'm so excited to

1020
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 4: get back on the road with that because it really

1021
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 4: is like one of my favorite projects and I just

1022
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 4: look forward to it all year. So, you know, knock

1023
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 4: on wood, everything's gonna be in good shape by November.

1024
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 2: Yay, Thank you so much to Benda la Creme. If

1025
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 2: you want to hear a little bit more, go to

1026
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 2: patreon dot com slash roles dressful Ess. On my second

1027
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: tier you can hear. You can hear us analyzing a

1028
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: Bigfoot video and talking about unexplained phenomena such as UFO's

1029
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 2: time travel, haunted dolls, that kind of stuff. Please rate

1030
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: the show five stars on Apple Podcasts, and if you

1031
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 2: have a ghost story, you could leave it in a

1032
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 2: five star review. I also would love to hear your

1033
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: ghost stories to be on future Listener episodes, so please

1034
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: email me at ghosted by Roz at gmail dot com

1035
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: subject line listener episode. Give me a couple bullet points

1036
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: about the story is that you have and maybe we

1037
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 2: could work something out. I also have a Facebook group

1038
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: called Ghosted by Roz dres Fales, great place to leave

1039
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: a story to connect with other people that like this weird,

1040
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 2: funky shit. I'm on Instagram at Roz Hernandez Cameo Roz

1041
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 2: dress Fales. I love you all, both living and dead.

1042
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

1043
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Speaker 2: haunt me. Came back star a podcast network,