Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spookyoky,
Speaker 1: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming, it's way Wait.
Speaker 2: A minute, Hey, I'm goosted.
Speaker 3: By Ross.
Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me ros.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 1: I feel so much better than I did last week.
Speaker 1: I sounded awful, like I was saying, I've kind of
Speaker 1: recorded a few upcoming episodes talking like that because I
Speaker 1: was a little bit sick. But I feel so much
Speaker 1: better now. So just bear with me as I sound
Speaker 1: a little sick in some upcoming episodes. You know, I
Speaker 1: should just tell you who I've recorded, because I have.
Speaker 1: I have recorded a few that will be coming at you,
Speaker 1: so you know. I don't like to ever say who's
Speaker 1: going to be on until I've officially recorded it, but
Speaker 1: I'll tell you now. I have an episode coming up
Speaker 1: with return guest our h Stavis, the Exorcist, So if
Speaker 1: you haven't heard my conversation with her before, go back
Speaker 1: and listen to it. It's a two part conversation. She's
Speaker 1: a real exorcist and non denominational exorcist, an incredible life. Also,
Speaker 1: go check out her book, which I love and I
Speaker 1: know so many listeners of this show have read and
Speaker 1: fell in love with it's called Sister of Darkness and
Speaker 1: it's wonderful, So that will be coming up soon. I
Speaker 1: also have a really exciting episode coming up with Chris
Speaker 1: Colfer and he's turns out somebody that ghosts are obsessed with. Also,
Speaker 1: extraterrestrials are pretty into him too, So Chris has so
Speaker 1: many stories and I cannot wait to share it with you.
Speaker 1: Also coming up, I have my friend Leonora Claire, she'll
Speaker 1: be on. She is, among many things, a casting producer
Speaker 1: for the TV show Haunted on Netflix, so we talk
Speaker 1: about that, and I know a lot of people that
Speaker 1: listen to this show love Haunted. So make sure you
Speaker 1: guys are subscribed so you don't miss out on those
Speaker 1: episodes coming up real soon. Also, I haven't recorded it yet,
Speaker 1: but I do have a RuPaul's Drag Race Superstar coming
Speaker 1: up soon. It's scheduled, it'll work out, it'll be great.
Speaker 1: And I should also add that those episodes that I
Speaker 1: just mentioned, they might not necessarily be in that order,
Speaker 1: but those are those are ones that I have recorded
Speaker 1: that will be coming out very very soon, so look
Speaker 1: out for that. Just a heads up. So today we
Speaker 1: have got listeners on the show, and I'm so excited
Speaker 1: to get to those bye. I thought I would read
Speaker 1: a story that was posted in the Facebook group called
Speaker 1: Ghosted by Rosdresfales and this one comes all the way
Speaker 1: from Australia. Oh I'll be there one day, I promise.
Speaker 1: This is from Russell. Russell says I live on a
Speaker 1: farm in Australia. When my husband and I bought it,
Speaker 1: we were told the previous owner had died on the property.
Speaker 1: It didn't bother us. Later we found out he actually
Speaker 1: didn't just die, but had had a horrific accident. He
Speaker 1: was a hoarder, so both farmhouses were full of rubbish
Speaker 1: that I was clearing. After a week of cleaning, I
Speaker 1: got really fed up with the dirt and dead rats
Speaker 1: that were all trapped inside the hoarded rubbish, and in frustration,
Speaker 1: I threw a teapot at the wall. It was a
Speaker 1: hot day, no breeze, and I had all doors open
Speaker 1: because of the smell. I threw this teapot. All the
Speaker 1: doors slammed in the house. I told the late owner
Speaker 1: of the house nicely that he had to leave as
Speaker 1: it was our farm now. And the atmosphere changed and
Speaker 1: became lighter over the next weeks, I've felt him around,
Speaker 1: but he was friendly and it didn't bother me. My
Speaker 1: husband doesn't believe, so it wasn't a problem. All the ghosts, ever,
Speaker 1: really did was hide things, and they would turn up
Speaker 1: in odd places. We've lived on the farm for five
Speaker 1: years now. I've worked out that it's haunted by lots
Speaker 1: of ghosts. I've woken up to find shadow figures in
Speaker 1: the bedroom doorway and in the bathroom. I had a
Speaker 1: woman made up of white light standing over the bed,
Speaker 1: also a deformed figure. It's not sleep paralysis because I
Speaker 1: can move and I scream. My husband says I'm dreaming,
Speaker 1: but I'm not so sure. I went to a medium
Speaker 1: with a friend, not because of the farm, but just
Speaker 1: for fun. She told me that the spirits of the
Speaker 1: farm know that I can see them and want me
Speaker 1: to pass on messages to their loved ones, as they
Speaker 1: sense that I can communicate with them over lockdown. It
Speaker 1: got worse. I'm on the farm in the day on
Speaker 1: my own. One day I was washing up. I heard
Speaker 1: a man screaming, blood curdling scream. We are in the
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. Our house is isolated. I went around
Speaker 1: the whole farm looking to see if there was an intruder,
Speaker 1: but there was no one there. Our dog is really
Speaker 1: placid and friendly, but he often barks a growl at
Speaker 1: the corner of the room. I also hear footsteps on
Speaker 1: the wooden veranda and the front door opens, but no
Speaker 1: one is there. We don't need to lock our doors.
Speaker 1: We often wake up in the morning to find the
Speaker 1: front door open. My husband says, because I enjoy horror
Speaker 1: and ghost shows, I'm just imagining it. I personally believe
Speaker 1: that old owners of the farm are still hanging around.
Speaker 1: It no longer scares me. I lumped up all these
Speaker 1: things together, but it was over five year periods, so
Speaker 1: it's not all the time. I'd prefer not to hear
Speaker 1: blood curdling screams though.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Thanks Russell, and also Russell put a picture of the
Speaker 1: farm in the Facebook group ghosted by Roz dress Fales.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sending that. I hate to say it,
Speaker 1: but I kind of want the ghost to like appear
Speaker 1: to your husband. So we've got some great listeners on
Speaker 1: the show today. I am really obsessed with this first
Speaker 1: story that you're going to hear here. And also, as always,
Speaker 1: if you want to hear a little more on patreon
Speaker 1: dot com. Slash Roz dress fales. On my second Tier
Speaker 1: this week, you can hear Rebet talking about staying in
Speaker 1: a haunted hotel in Savannah, Georgia, and also Lewis tells
Speaker 1: me about one of my biggest fears, which is staying
Speaker 1: in a haunted house and having to pee in the
Speaker 1: middle of the night. Also on my Patreon Secondier, I
Speaker 1: have my podcast that I've been doing with my best
Speaker 1: friend Sam Pancake. This time we are talking about you know,
Speaker 1: show biz and some of the gigs we've had to
Speaker 1: do along the way. And you can hear that that
Speaker 1: will be our final episode for now and maybe we'll
Speaker 1: do more in the future, So go check it out.
Speaker 1: We now have four of those posted, so you can
Speaker 1: hear them all on Patreon. Okay, here we go with
Speaker 1: this month's listener phone call Extravaganza. On with the show.
Speaker 5: Helloa, Rebecca and Virginia.
Speaker 1: How are you great?
Speaker 2: How are you Riz?
Speaker 1: I am so good. The story that you said to me,
Speaker 1: it's an insane one in a good way. Can we
Speaker 1: hear it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And I'm so flattered to be on your show because
Speaker 2: it's a ghost story that doesn't technically involve a ghost,
Speaker 2: so but and it's it's both extraordinary and kind of
Speaker 2: ordinary at the same time. So I'm just just gonna
Speaker 2: hit it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, have you ever encountered a ghost?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got well, you know, I've had those little
Speaker 2: ghosty feelings. I've got a few little little, you know,
Speaker 2: stories of some spooky run ins. But I thought you
Speaker 2: would really enjoy the story I'm about to tell you.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear that one first, and then maybe maybe
Speaker 1: we'll get into some little ghosties.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, as long as I can remember, I've
Speaker 2: had the same reoccurring nightmare, and it's a common nightmare.
Speaker 2: It's that nightmare where you're being chased, and it's not
Speaker 2: just being chased, but I'm running as hard as I
Speaker 2: can and I'm looking back and I see like this
Speaker 2: shadowy figure behind me. So the first time I had
Speaker 2: this nightmare, I remember it was at the house where
Speaker 2: we moved away from when I was in kindergarten, so
Speaker 2: it's probably four or five, and I know, so yeah,
Speaker 2: and not all the time, just occasionally, you know, growing up,
Speaker 2: and when I became an adult it happened more often.
Speaker 2: But it's just you know, I'm like running and running
Speaker 2: and the shadow Man's chasing me, and I always wake
Speaker 2: up the same way. I wake up just like my
Speaker 2: heart's racing and my I can't catch my breath, and
Speaker 2: you know, it's just really stressful. So last year, I
Speaker 2: think everyone was the same way. It's like COVID was
Speaker 2: like the World series of whatever. Your stress was, like,
Speaker 2: I remember your Yeah, your interview with Katrina Weidman. She
Speaker 2: said that looking back, she felt like she wasn't okay.
Speaker 2: And I think like a lot of people feel that way,
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, I feel that way too,
Speaker 2: you know, looking back, I was trying to say stay safe.
Speaker 2: I was trying to keep my parents, who are older safe,
Speaker 2: and you know, we had family members that you know,
Speaker 2: we were worried about. So I started having this nightmare
Speaker 2: pretty regularly, like almost you know, every night. So I
Speaker 2: would just be you know, running and running and the
Speaker 2: shadow Man would be chasing me. A while back, I
Speaker 2: tried a couple of strategies to kind of kind of
Speaker 2: help with this nightmare. I saw this TV show on
Speaker 2: Lucid Dreams. So I don't know if you've heard about,
Speaker 2: you know, Lucid Dreaming it's where you know, you're in
Speaker 2: a dream and you can kind of control things a
Speaker 2: little bit. So, you know, a while back, I tried
Speaker 2: just drawing an X over the shadow Man and that
Speaker 2: worked for a little while. You know, I was running
Speaker 2: and I stopped and drew an X, and he just
Speaker 2: kind of dissolved, and I thought, you know, that's that's great,
Speaker 2: He's gone. And then after that, like, you know, a
Speaker 2: few weeks later, he popped back up and I thought,
Speaker 2: I'm going to try something else. I'm going to try,
Speaker 2: you know, flying away, and that worked for a few
Speaker 2: you know times too. He was chasing me and I
Speaker 2: would start flying and he would just be on the ground.
Speaker 2: And then eventually the shadow Man learned how to fly too,
Speaker 2: so I had these, i know, these acrobatic dreams where
Speaker 2: you know, it was like I was like you know,
Speaker 2: Superman or Peter Pan, you know, flying and he was
Speaker 2: chasing me. So all of that became even more aggravated
Speaker 2: last year during COVID, and eventually all of this changed.
Speaker 2: I had one dream where I'm in the back of
Speaker 2: this little grocery store. It's like the size of a
Speaker 2: CBS and I'm shopping and I look in the back
Speaker 2: hallway and the shadow Man comes out of the back
Speaker 2: hallway of the grocery store. I'm like, oh crap. So
Speaker 2: I start running out the front, and he is just
Speaker 2: running behind me, like you know, like the twenty eight
Speaker 2: Days Later zombies, like the zombies that are just like
Speaker 2: like booking it.
Speaker 1: So I run out the oh way, I know. So
Speaker 1: I run out a shadow Man getting at CBS. Shadow
Speaker 1: Man got prescriptions.
Speaker 2: I don't know, And I'm like, you know, why can't
Speaker 2: you leave you alone? I've got other stuff going on.
Speaker 2: So I run out the front. He's running behind me,
Speaker 2: and I run around the side and then I see
Speaker 2: this golf cart coming from the distance and it gets
Speaker 2: closer and I see that it's like tricked out, you know.
Speaker 2: It's got like the little palm palm fringe around the top,
Speaker 2: and it's you know, got some cool collars on it.
Speaker 2: And it's getting closer, and I see there's like these
Speaker 2: two ladies in it, and they're in like like pageant clothes,
Speaker 2: like they've got like full hair, you know, it's like
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty sort of beauty pageant clothes. And this golf
Speaker 2: cart does like a tokyo drift and it stops like
Speaker 2: right at my feet, and I see you while it's
Speaker 2: turning around. I'm like, it's through Paul and there's someone
Speaker 2: else with ro Paul. And you know, I'm not like,
Speaker 2: I like group Paul. But I've never watched drag race.
Speaker 2: I'm not into like competition shows. But I realized like
Speaker 2: she's there to show context. And the passenger is ros
Speaker 2: dress less. I was like, oh my gosh, I can't
Speaker 2: believe it. So you're wearing like like a blue and
Speaker 2: green sort of like long evening gown and you've got
Speaker 2: like silver heels and you jump out and you say,
Speaker 2: get in, So I jump in. Isn't a while? So
Speaker 2: I jump in and you slide in behind me, and
Speaker 2: like rude just like hits the gas and you know,
Speaker 2: you're both laughing. You've got like these big open mouth
Speaker 2: like like just happy, joyful, you know, just you know,
Speaker 2: happy expressions.
Speaker 3: So we are.
Speaker 2: Driving away and shadow Man is like closing in behind us,
Speaker 2: and he's running and you say to me, honey, you're
Speaker 2: never gonna outrun him. You're not gonna outrun him, and
Speaker 2: this dimension and then you lean over and there's like
Speaker 2: this this little box in the middle of the dashboard
Speaker 2: and you open it up and you say, that's why
Speaker 2: we've got to go to another dimension. So you pull
Speaker 2: this knob in the middle of the dashboard and it's
Speaker 2: like this old timy knob, like off of a pinball
Speaker 2: machine that you would use to start a pinball machine.
Speaker 2: And you pull this knob and we like there's like
Speaker 2: a flash and a woosh, like in Bill and Ted's
Speaker 2: Excellent Adventure when they travel. So we just kind of
Speaker 2: like pop off to this other dimension and we flash
Speaker 2: and go to this other dimension, and you tell me
Speaker 2: you're never going to see him again. He can't follow
Speaker 2: you and you're safe now. And at that point, my
Speaker 2: dream just sort of dissolves away and I wake up
Speaker 2: and I wake up crying, and I know that he's
Speaker 2: gone for good. Like you know, I've had this dream forever,
Speaker 2: but somehow, you know, it's fixed. So I haven't written
Speaker 2: that in until now it's been over a year, because
Speaker 2: I was afraid he would pop back up. But nope,
Speaker 2: you know, shadow Man has gone for good.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Well, I wish I could say that I,
Speaker 1: you know, jumped in your dream, like we've talked about
Speaker 1: on this show. That I guess some people can do that.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I did, but maybe maybe, somehow,
Speaker 1: some way in my dream state, I sensed it. But
Speaker 1: I'm honored that I was able to help.
Speaker 2: Isn't that awesome that either my subconscious or some guardian
Speaker 2: angel in my my dream land decided, you know, the
Speaker 2: way to fix this problem for good is by you know,
Speaker 2: bringing in ross. And after that happened, I thought, you know,
Speaker 2: think about it. This problem was this, you know, dark hate,
Speaker 2: full energy, and you know, how do you combat that?
Speaker 2: You still need someone who's strong but you know, feminine
Speaker 2: and fun, and you know, I just I think that's incredible.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so great. Thank you for
Speaker 1: sharing this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank you for your podcast and you know,
Speaker 2: for rod as dressful as I think there's many other
Speaker 2: people out there that you've helped through you know, the
Speaker 2: COVID times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kicked that shadow man's ass and I'll do
Speaker 1: it again. Let's hear your Ouiji board story.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: In college, I lived in an old building that used
Speaker 2: to be a church and it had been divided into apartments,
Speaker 2: and we kept having weird things happened. I kept thinking
Speaker 2: that my roommate had come home and I would go
Speaker 2: to talk to her and she hadn't come home. We
Speaker 2: kept seeing things out of the corner of our eye,
Speaker 2: and we decided we're going to get a Oiji board
Speaker 2: and figure out, you know, who are we sharing our apartment.
Speaker 1: Well, wait, when you say that your you thought you
Speaker 1: saw your your roommate, do you think it was like
Speaker 1: a doppel ganger, like straight up doing an impression of
Speaker 1: your roommate and look like her, or like you just
Speaker 1: saw someone and you assumed it was her.
Speaker 2: I would see a movement out of the corner of
Speaker 2: my eye and I wasn't sure if it was a
Speaker 2: doppelganger or just a spirit kind of floating by. So
Speaker 2: I really can't say. And you know, back back then
Speaker 2: in the nineties, no one knew what a doppelganger, you
Speaker 2: know it was. It was just, you know, you would
Speaker 2: get this feeling you were being watched, or you would
Speaker 2: see something out of the corner of your eye. But
Speaker 2: definitely I would see what I thought was my roommate
Speaker 2: walking to her room, and I would go to ask
Speaker 2: her how her day was, and she wasn't there. And
Speaker 2: I kept that to myself, and then eventually my roommates
Speaker 2: admit that they were experiencing the same thing. We had
Speaker 2: one of our moms stay with us, and they said
Speaker 2: that they were having the same trouble. So we thought,
Speaker 2: we need to figure out, you know, who is hanging
Speaker 2: out with us. So we get oeg board and one
Speaker 2: of the spirits we were talking to said it was
Speaker 2: my grandmother. And I said, there's there's no way I'm
Speaker 2: talking to my grandmother. This is, you know, insane, and
Speaker 2: it's kind of rude for you to act like you're
Speaker 2: my grandmother. So the spirit said, no, I'm your grandmother.
Speaker 2: And I said, if you're my grandmother, tell me you know.
Speaker 2: And I asked, are you my grandmother on my mom's
Speaker 2: side or on my dad's side? And the spirit said
Speaker 2: they were my grandmother on my dad's side. And I
Speaker 2: said that this is true. Tell me how many brothers
Speaker 2: and sisters my dad had? How many siblings were in
Speaker 2: his family? And she said all together five and I
Speaker 2: said that's wrong because it's four. And then the Luigi
Speaker 2: board starts moving around and it's getting like really agitated,
Speaker 2: and it starts moving around fast and real jerky, and
Speaker 2: then it starts spelling out Francis, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: have no idea who Francis is. And it keeps going
Speaker 2: Francis Francis, and then it starts spelling out, you know,
Speaker 2: baby Francis, and I said, I don't know who baby
Speaker 2: Francis is, and it goes baby crib death, Francis, baby
Speaker 2: crib death, Francis, Francis, Francis, and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 2: let's let's stop doing this. So I didn't think anything
Speaker 2: of it. It was about six months later and my
Speaker 2: mom is visiting and just out of nowhere, she said,
Speaker 2: you know that there was another sibling in your dad's
Speaker 2: family that they had a baby brother named Francis and
Speaker 2: it died from krip death.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: So do you think that that was your grandma in
Speaker 1: the apartment?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. And then I've heard about the
Speaker 2: collective unconscious theory too, where you kind of carry along
Speaker 2: with you everyone that's come before you and your own brain.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if I was just channeling, you know,
Speaker 2: something that I had remembered from my ancestors, or if
Speaker 2: it was my grandma that was looking over me.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think, Well, I think that
Speaker 1: if that is the case, that it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: somewhere deep inside your brain. Whether you think you know
Speaker 1: that or not, I think that that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I have no memory of them talking about you know,
Speaker 2: Francis in front of me.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I think a psychologist would say, at some point when
Speaker 2: I was very young, I heard that story and internalized
Speaker 2: that somehow. But you know, I don't know if it
Speaker 2: was my grandma that was in this apartment with me
Speaker 2: or what.
Speaker 1: Well, and it could just be that you guys were
Speaker 1: using the weedi board looking for you know, basically who's around,
Speaker 1: and your Grandma's like, well, I'm available, I'll talk to you,
Speaker 1: not necessarily being the spirit that's in that house, you know, right.
Speaker 2: And then also that was my sophomore year. That was
Speaker 2: the year that you know, I came back to school
Speaker 2: and started partying really hard, and I just remember laying
Speaker 2: in my bed and feeling like someone was watching over me,
Speaker 2: saying like, you got to cut that out, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't. You don't want to get partied out. You
Speaker 2: know this, this is not a healthy lifestyle. So it
Speaker 2: could have been my grandma looking over me that way, or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but activity that, you know, seeing someone out of
Speaker 1: the corner of your eye. Did that continue?
Speaker 2: It continued as long as I lived there?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Interesting? Hey, you want to listen to an EVP with me?
Speaker 2: Definitely?
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for EVP or ev plice. This one
Speaker 1: is from someone on YouTube called Haunted Stories and it
Speaker 1: is at a place called the Malvern Manor in Melvern, Iowa.
Speaker 1: It's actually been on the TV show Paranormal Lockdown with
Speaker 1: Katrina Widman. Now this place? Okay. I went to a
Speaker 1: website called Nonpair nonperiealonline dot com. They talk about the
Speaker 1: Malvern Manor and they say it has a storied history.
Speaker 1: It was built in the eighteen eighties as a cottage hotel.
Speaker 1: It was the town's hotel. According to historical records. The
Speaker 1: hotel is about ten thousand square feet, went through a
Speaker 1: handful of owners. In the middle of the twentieth century,
Speaker 1: it was converted into a nursing home and later a
Speaker 1: group home. Long after the building had fallen into disuse,
Speaker 1: there were rumors of strange happenings. Creeks, cracks, unaccounted for, footsteps,
Speaker 1: voices and shadows, moans, screams, the eerie feeling of being watched. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know about the plumbing, but wow, okay, here
Speaker 1: is one. This one creeps me out. So a little
Speaker 1: bit of background noise like always, But tell me if
Speaker 1: you hear anything.
Speaker 3: With this voice. Did you hear it?
Speaker 2: I have to hear it again, okay.
Speaker 1: Anything?
Speaker 2: Well, it kind of sounds like pe drop silverware. Oh
Speaker 2: it sounds like they said out or something.
Speaker 1: Without Yeah, yeah, here, I'll play it again.
Speaker 3: It's like cheat too.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Is it even English?
Speaker 1: Well, here's some options. Okay, is it a what a
Speaker 1: flashy top? And like maybe someone had a nice top
Speaker 1: on or I don't know what they're talking about.
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Is it b the flesh is coming?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: What does that even mean? See, you need to stop
Speaker 1: or d ooh refreshing snacks. Okay, let me play it again.
Speaker 2: Oh I hear the fleshy part now, and I have goosebumps.
Speaker 1: I know they think it says the flesh is comingh okay, wait,
Speaker 1: let me play it again. I hear ooh, a fleshy top.
Speaker 1: The flesh is coming? Is that what ghosts call us
Speaker 1: living people? The flesh? I actually do. I don't hear
Speaker 1: is coming, but I do hear like the flesh I
Speaker 1: hear that kind of a thing, and it does sound
Speaker 1: to me like yeah, more of a shorter syllable at
Speaker 1: the end or whatever. But either way, the thought of
Speaker 1: the flesh is coming.
Speaker 2: That's horrifying. I hear like the flesh is up. And
Speaker 2: then I hear them opening the top off of a beverage,
Speaker 2: which I think.
Speaker 1: So see now that could be refreshing soda, and then
Speaker 1: they open a lot Troy, that is scary.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that you shared your story with me.
Speaker 1: Your story is I love this dream stories so much
Speaker 1: and I'm honored to have been able to be in
Speaker 1: your dream and I'm so grateful that the shadow Man
Speaker 1: is never going to come back for you.
Speaker 2: Oh and I'm so grateful for your podcast and all
Speaker 2: the hours of entertainment it's given me. And thank you
Speaker 2: so much for sorting out my dream problem.
Speaker 5: No problem at a time. I've been ghosted too. Hello
Speaker 5: James in San Diego?
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 4: I'm good, ros, how are you? I'm so excited to
Speaker 4: be on the show.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to have you. Have
Speaker 1: you ever been to the Whaley House? I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's like the most famous haunted place in
Speaker 1: San Diego.
Speaker 4: Yes, so when I was a little kid, I used
Speaker 4: to actually beg my dad to take me there, and
Speaker 4: I want to say every weekend. I was like in
Speaker 4: kindergarten in first grade. Yes, I remember. He used to
Speaker 4: really humor me, both of my parents did, with like
Speaker 4: my interest in the paranormal. But he bought me a
Speaker 4: disposable Kodec camera and let me go take pictures in
Speaker 4: the Whaley House and we took them to the hour
Speaker 4: photo down at the Rate Aid after and we got
Speaker 4: back the pictures and they're just I wish I could
Speaker 4: still have them today. I don't know where they are,
Speaker 4: but they are full of weird stuff like orbs, light
Speaker 4: phenomenon like shapes. Almost every single photo had something super
Speaker 4: intense in it cool, and I remember bringing it into
Speaker 4: my teacher in first grade to show her. And I
Speaker 4: don't think that I told my parents I was going
Speaker 4: to do that, because I figured they probably would have
Speaker 4: been like, well, maybe that's not like the best thing
Speaker 4: to do. I remember bringing them for her and her
Speaker 4: just I think thinking I was probably quite a strange child,
Speaker 4: but I was so proud of them and wanted to
Speaker 4: show everyone.
Speaker 1: I still have never had a single damn thing happen
Speaker 1: to me at the Whaley House. The Whaley ghos want
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me, And I've probably been i
Speaker 1: don't know, probably close to ten times in my life
Speaker 1: and nothing. I think what I need is a CODEAC
Speaker 1: disposable camera.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you do. I mean, I've honestly had
Speaker 4: nothing happen as an adult since I've gone. But I
Speaker 4: kind of think sometimes buildings that are older, maybe they
Speaker 4: lose the haunting. If it's like a residual haunting, maybe
Speaker 4: after time that wears off. I don't know, that's kind
Speaker 4: of my career, Like maybe they goes to just get tired. Right.
Speaker 1: Well, sounds like you're are you like a paranormal person?
Speaker 1: Are you like really into this stuff?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I think I have periods where like I kind of
Speaker 4: get really into it and like I'll read all about
Speaker 4: it for months, and then you know, there's times where
Speaker 4: I don't really participate in it as much. But yeah,
Speaker 4: my whole life, I've always been super interested in anything
Speaker 4: kind of paranormal or dark or spooky, or witchcraft or
Speaker 4: ghosts or UFOs, anything like that.
Speaker 1: Can we hear a story?
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, I was trying to think of different ones,
Speaker 4: and I actually have quite a few.
Speaker 1: Oh, give it to me, all right, where do we start?
Speaker 4: So I guess I have a story about my family
Speaker 4: in the house that my mom grew up in. So
Speaker 4: my mom's side of the family, her grandparents were all
Speaker 4: born in Transylvania over. Yeah, they moved over to the
Speaker 4: United States, like right before World War One, and like
Speaker 4: immigrant family, they spoke German and Hungarian, very very Catholic,
Speaker 4: the Catholic in that sort of Eastern European way where
Speaker 4: it's kind of a little bit I would almost say
Speaker 4: pagan and very like superstitious, lots of like very specific beliefs,
Speaker 4: like my great grandmother was terrified of the evil eye,
Speaker 4: Like if someone passed away in the home, she would
Speaker 4: always immediately go to a mirror and cover it with
Speaker 4: fabric to keep their soul from getting trapped the mirror,
Speaker 4: like those sorts of like old world beliefs. So we
Speaker 4: grew up hearing a lot of stories from the old
Speaker 4: country from everyone who had kind of grown up there.
Speaker 4: And there's always kind of been a little bit of
Speaker 4: a a witchy kind of aspect to that side of
Speaker 4: the family from that history. So cut forward years to
Speaker 4: this nineteen sixties seventies. My mom is like a young woman,
Speaker 4: graduated from high school, but not married to my dad yet,
Speaker 4: so she's still living at home. And the home that
Speaker 4: they're living in San Diego has a poulter geist. And
Speaker 4: this was the first time that we had had a
Speaker 4: poltergeist in the family, and they've kind of been a
Speaker 4: regular thing ever since then, specifically with my grandmother, who
Speaker 4: was my mom's mom. And I've heard stories about this house.
Speaker 4: The family no longer lives there anymore, but they would
Speaker 4: start with knockings. They would hear around the house. Doors
Speaker 4: would open, windows would ow open. The radios would just
Speaker 4: turn on and off. The dials would fully move across
Speaker 4: the front, you know of the old fashioned radio. The
Speaker 4: TV would turn on by itself, and this is you know,
Speaker 4: before they had remote controls and you'd actually have to
Speaker 4: physically go to the device and operate it, you know,
Speaker 4: on the side. And I think the scariest thing that
Speaker 4: happened to them was my grandmother woke up in the
Speaker 4: morning and went into the kitchen to start making breakfast,
Speaker 4: and all of the kitchen cabinets and drawers were open,
Speaker 4: and all of the pots, pans, plates, utensils. Everything in
Speaker 4: the kitchen was laid out on the floor and in
Speaker 4: the dining room nothing was broken, like, nothing fell out.
Speaker 4: It was all taken out place down and no one
Speaker 4: had heard a thing. Yeah, no one heard anything in
Speaker 4: the night. They just woke up and were like, what
Speaker 4: the hell is going on here?
Speaker 5: Oh God?
Speaker 1: See that to me can get dangerous, like something fly
Speaker 1: your head, Like that's really scary, especially the kind of
Speaker 1: I mean ghost or or energy or whatever's that's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm really gonna mess with these people. I'm going to
Speaker 1: do this quietly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think the quietness is like the sinister feeling part
Speaker 4: of it. It's so sneaky. I don't know.
Speaker 1: But you were saying that they've had multiple Poultergeists since.
Speaker 4: Then, Yes, yeah, they. It's interesting because for stuff I've
Speaker 4: read about Poultergeist, there's a theory that it can kind
Speaker 4: of be like trauma is expressing itself in the form
Speaker 4: of energy. And like, my family's wonderful and like I
Speaker 4: love all of them very much, but definitely during those
Speaker 4: years there were family things going on, like all families do,
Speaker 4: but to the point where I could kind of understand
Speaker 4: maybe this was someone's energy that was causing this to happen,
Speaker 4: and ass why it was happening. But we had also
Speaker 4: heard that the family that lived in the house prior
Speaker 4: had a son that was in high school and he
Speaker 4: had actually completed suicide in the home. So that's kind
Speaker 4: of an option too. But I feel like that's I
Speaker 4: don't necessarily think that that would cause something like that
Speaker 4: to happen. I don't want to blame someone, if that
Speaker 4: makes sense, you know, for haunting like that. But yeah,
Speaker 4: there's always kind of been a poultergeist ever since then.
Speaker 4: My grandma's last house that she lived in, she rents it.
Speaker 4: It was like a tract home in a subdivision in
Speaker 4: Fallbrook if you know where that is, kind of like
Speaker 4: North San Diego County, and it was this little, just
Speaker 4: really quiet, normal looking home at the end of a
Speaker 4: cul de sac, super innocuous that when she moved in,
Speaker 4: the person who was renting it to her told her,
Speaker 4: you know, I just want to let you know in
Speaker 4: case anything happens, there has been some history in the
Speaker 4: upstairs bedroom and we have had an exorcism. I don't
Speaker 4: think anything should bother you, but I just want you
Speaker 4: to know so you can tell me if something happens,
Speaker 4: and I understand, and that would have been a red
Speaker 4: flag for me immediately to maybe not move in, But
Speaker 4: she moved there. It was a two story house and
Speaker 4: she was living with my uncle at the time, and
Speaker 4: he's a disabled veteran, so he doesn't really go upstairs.
Speaker 4: He would live on the main floor of the house,
Speaker 4: the ground floor, and my grandmother had the master bedroom
Speaker 4: that was upstairs at the very back of the house.
Speaker 4: So there's a front bedroom that was on top of
Speaker 4: my uncle's bedroom that no one used, no one went in,
Speaker 4: no one lived there. It was more or less empty.
Speaker 4: It just had a closet. And my uncle would say
Speaker 4: that all through the night or through the day, he
Speaker 4: would hear like knocking footsteps, people talking at nighttime, like
Speaker 4: furniture being moved, people having conversations, everything coming from that room.
Speaker 4: And he's not going up there. And then my grandmother
Speaker 4: in her nineties, so she's pretty limited too in her movement.
Speaker 4: She's not going and moving any furniture, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Yeah, And they would always talk about it.
Speaker 4: My grandmother would constantly have things go missing, where they
Speaker 4: would just disappear and then show up months later. For
Speaker 4: a period of time, her cell phone went missing, and
Speaker 4: we were concerned because I don't remember she had a
Speaker 4: landline at the time or not, but we were trying
Speaker 4: to get in contact with her and the phone was
Speaker 4: just always going through to voicemail, like it was turned off.
Speaker 4: And she has an older person, so like it was
Speaker 4: concerning to us wondering what doesn'thing happen to her, So
Speaker 4: we were finally able to get in contact with her.
Speaker 4: Neighbor went and checked on her and the phone had
Speaker 4: just disappeared. So she had to go get a new phone,
Speaker 4: pay for one, get a new plan, cancel the old one,
Speaker 4: do all of this, and a week or so after
Speaker 4: getting the new phone, she has a cleaning lady that
Speaker 4: will then help her do kind of like the heavy cleaning,
Speaker 4: you know, a couple times a month, and the cleaning
Speaker 4: lady finds her phone in the closet of the front bedroom,
Speaker 4: on the very very top shelf, hidden like behind a
Speaker 4: comforter or something. Yeah, how to get up there?
Speaker 1: That's the part that's always the part.
Speaker 4: That's the part that's weird. It's like my uncle can't
Speaker 4: climb stairs and there's no way that she's getting on
Speaker 4: a ladder. But yeah, it disappeared from her kitchen table
Speaker 4: and that's where it was.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, one thing that I was thinking that this
Speaker 1: is like another poltergeist theory. However, I might not work
Speaker 1: for this scenario, given the fact that the person the
Speaker 1: realtor whoever, when she moved in, said that there was
Speaker 1: history already in that house. But sometimes it's telekinesis like
Speaker 1: maybe your grandma had that ability, whether she knew how
Speaker 1: to control it or not. Kind of I mean, not
Speaker 1: unlike Carrie or something, but I think it's a little different.
Speaker 1: But sometimes there's people that can, you know, move things
Speaker 1: with their brain and then they move from house to
Speaker 1: house and it gets confused for being a Poulter guyst
Speaker 1: But no, it sounds like there was other stuff going on.
Speaker 4: Well, it's like I thought about that too, And like
Speaker 4: I said, my family has there's like a witchiness to them.
Speaker 4: I don't know how to describe it otherwise, but there's
Speaker 4: something kind of psychic. I think they vibrate on some frequency,
Speaker 4: especially the women on that side of the family that
Speaker 4: if it were one of them was had secret telekinetic
Speaker 4: abilities and was unknowingly causing things to happen. I would
Speaker 4: not be surprised.
Speaker 1: WHOA Okay, tell me another one.
Speaker 3: So let's see.
Speaker 4: I do have a couple stories with my mom. She's
Speaker 4: no longer with us, unfortunately, but she was kind of
Speaker 4: like my mentor with the spiritual, you know, kind of
Speaker 4: mystical realm as a child. We grew up Catholic, but
Speaker 4: we also like did tarot car as. My mom would
Speaker 4: play with Luigi board with me, which is kind of
Speaker 4: controversial looking back on that now as an adult, I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't hope I would do that with my kid,
Speaker 4: but we always had fun. But I would kind of
Speaker 4: like talk about that kind of stuff with her because
Speaker 4: she was interested in it as well, and whenever we
Speaker 4: would kind of go places together, I feel like maybe
Speaker 4: that shared interest between us kind of like would attract
Speaker 4: things to happen to us, if that makes sense. I
Speaker 4: used to live in the UK. I went to university
Speaker 4: over there, so I was there for two years and
Speaker 4: she came to visit me for a trip and we
Speaker 4: stayed at this very very old and I believe it's
Speaker 4: called the George and Pilgrim in a town called Glastonbury.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're familiar with Glastonbury Music Festival is, yeah,
Speaker 4: they have the music festival there, and then the town
Speaker 4: itself is like kind of a mystical, little ancient pagan village.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of sort of hippie type people who
Speaker 4: lived there and like modern day neo pagans and witches,
Speaker 4: and there's a history there too. It's like supposed to
Speaker 4: be the place where King Arthur had Camelot and a
Speaker 4: lot of kind of those myths originated in that area.
Speaker 4: So there's already like a very a very spiritual kind
Speaker 4: of mystic energy to that town. And we stayed in
Speaker 4: a very old hotel there. It like built in the
Speaker 4: twelve hundreds or something like that, like just ridiculously old.
Speaker 4: But the room that we stayed in had just a
Speaker 4: very very simple room, you know, two beds and then
Speaker 4: a TV and a little console. We stayed there for
Speaker 4: two or three nights, and every single night in the
Speaker 4: middle of the night, the TV would just turn on
Speaker 4: constantly and like waga stuff. And so the first time, yeah,
Speaker 4: I hate it. The first time it happened, it freaked
Speaker 4: the like shit out of me because I'm a pretty
Speaker 4: deep sleeper. But I think it just came on a
Speaker 4: full volume in the pitch dark, and that was terrifying,
Speaker 4: but I didn't think too much of it. I you know,
Speaker 4: turned off, went back to sleep. Happens again a couple
Speaker 4: more times, and I'm like, I don't know what it is,
Speaker 4: Like am I moving around and like I'm hitting the
Speaker 4: remote you know, on the side table with my arm
Speaker 4: or something like that, Like I need to go, you know,
Speaker 4: turn off. So I went over and put the remote
Speaker 4: control into the drawer of the little table that the
Speaker 4: TV was on, and it was still continuing to turn on.
Speaker 4: And so the next night I fully unplugged the TV
Speaker 4: and it continued to turn on. That did turn on
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's supposed to make it stop.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 4: I swear. And I leaving the hotel. I don't remember
Speaker 4: if it was someone I talked to the front desk,
Speaker 4: or if it was something that maybe I read in
Speaker 4: one of the brochures. But the room that we stayed
Speaker 4: in was called the Monk's Cell, and it's called the
Speaker 4: monk cell because in you know, medieval times, a monk
Speaker 4: had completed suicide in that room and it's supposed to
Speaker 4: be haunted.
Speaker 1: Well, can we hear more?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have one more.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: So this also happened in England, and it was a
Speaker 4: town called Rye, and I was staying with my mother
Speaker 4: again in a very old hotel, and this time we
Speaker 4: had gotten a room that was in I think it
Speaker 4: was the converted attic of this inn that we were
Speaker 4: staying in. So it's at the very floor. There's nothing
Speaker 4: else on that floor, no other rooms, no walls shared
Speaker 4: with another room. It was just kind of the roof,
Speaker 4: so like a pitched ceiling and like a small room.
Speaker 4: Nothing else around, no trees, no other buildings, nothing nearby.
Speaker 4: Just that was it on the top floor. And we
Speaker 4: were getting ready for bed, and I think both of
Speaker 4: us were, you know, in our beds reading something. It's nighttime,
Speaker 4: and I remember just kind of sitting there and reading
Speaker 4: my book and clear as day, very very loud, I
Speaker 4: start hearing chains being pulled and groaning, like somebody's moving
Speaker 4: boxes or like working very very hard to move something.
Speaker 4: And I sort of look up from my book and
Speaker 4: my mom looks up. When we look at each other
Speaker 4: like did we just hear that? Like as there's something
Speaker 4: going on, And it happens again, but louder and it
Speaker 4: starts to become more voices and there's whispering and groaning
Speaker 4: and moaning and it. Thinking about it, it sounds so
Speaker 4: weird because it sounds exactly like what it would expect
Speaker 4: in kind of like a B horror movie from the seventies,
Speaker 4: like just very stereotypical, like oo like Halloween ghosts, Like
Speaker 4: it doesn't sound real at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, especially like the chains, like it's it could
Speaker 1: very easily get into like ghosts of Christmas past.
Speaker 4: Kind very campy. Yeah, it was very very strange, and
Speaker 4: it's kind of the one that I don't really talk
Speaker 4: about that story with anyone, just because it sounds so
Speaker 4: I don't want to say unbelievable, because they all sound unbelievable,
Speaker 4: but it just just like even to me, and like
Speaker 4: it feels very on the nose. But I like, I
Speaker 4: will swear until you know I die. That there was
Speaker 4: like no recording, nothing on the TV. No one could
Speaker 4: have been around in a room nearby making that sound.
Speaker 4: Nothing was outside, and it went on all night long.
Speaker 4: All night long. It was impossible to sleep because you
Speaker 4: could just hear the whispering in the back and the
Speaker 4: forth and it was so so strange, and unless it
Speaker 4: was an elaborate hoax where there's small speakers or something
Speaker 4: put around the room and we were on candid camera,
Speaker 4: which is what it felt like, and maybe it was.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, why didn't you guys got to
Speaker 1: the front desk or anything.
Speaker 4: I don't really remember if we did it or not.
Speaker 4: I do remember going down the next day to talk
Speaker 4: with my grandmother or my mom's mom, who would also
Speaker 4: stayed at the hotel, but on a different floor. And
Speaker 4: she's funny because she can be extremely blase about things
Speaker 4: in a way that's like just very comical and like
Speaker 4: comes across as very dismissive, but she doesn't mean it
Speaker 4: to be that way at all. I remember going and
Speaker 4: telling her like, oh, like, I won't believe that this
Speaker 4: thing happened, and like there were these voices and all
Speaker 4: this whispering, and you can ask mom, like, I'm not
Speaker 4: making it up. You know she experienced too, and you
Speaker 4: know my mom was like, yeah, I know it did happen.
Speaker 4: My grandma goes, oh, well, isn't that interesting and then
Speaker 4: just goes back to eating her breakfast and never talks
Speaker 4: about it ever again with us.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it sounds like ghosts love you.
Speaker 4: I think they do. I'm okay with it as long
Speaker 4: as as long as they're nice.
Speaker 5: A ghost in my house?
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I'm joined by Lewis in North Carolina. Lewis, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing wonderful, Ross, How are you doing?
Speaker 1: I am so good. However, I was reading the email
Speaker 1: you sent me, and it sounds like you've seen some shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen some shit for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you have some really scary stories.
Speaker 1: But it's daylight here. I'm ready for it. Where do
Speaker 1: we begin?
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess we began with the big one.
Speaker 3: So I'm Puerto Rican. My family grew up in New York,
Speaker 3: so I'm the quintessential just New Yorrican. And we grew
Speaker 3: up in a really old building in the Bronx. And
Speaker 3: when I was young, I had a room to myself
Speaker 3: and the room just had a massive closet that my
Speaker 3: parents kept luck because they just kept a bunch of
Speaker 3: drunk and all my toys in there, and it was
Speaker 3: just a hot mess and they didn't want me to
Speaker 3: get hurt. At a very young age, I learned how
Speaker 3: to pick a lock, when I was about four or five,
Speaker 3: for Christmas one year, I had asked my parents to
Speaker 3: get me a punching bag. I had met a heavy bag,
Speaker 3: but at the time they bought me one of those,
Speaker 3: you know, one of those kids punching bags. Was like
Speaker 3: a blown punching bag. You hit it and it kind
Speaker 3: of come back.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, and it was a it was a clown one, okay,
Speaker 1: possibly terrifying to some people, I get, uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh. And I used to play with the thing
Speaker 3: all the time, but anytime I've done with my mom
Speaker 3: would always put all my toys in the closet, locked
Speaker 3: it up, and I specifically remember we used to put
Speaker 3: it there was a pile of toys in the closet, uh,
Speaker 3: And we would always put it behind the behind the
Speaker 3: pilot to just make sure nothing would fall in it
Speaker 3: and like pop it or play it or whatever. And
Speaker 3: for the longest time, I don't even remember how long
Speaker 3: it took to start. I just remember I used to
Speaker 3: just play in my room and for the longest time,
Speaker 3: I just like started hearing weird noises in my closet.
Speaker 3: It first started off which just sounded like things were
Speaker 3: moving whatever. And eventually we started hearing like Crowley coming
Speaker 3: from the closet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: For the longest time, I thought I only remember myself
Speaker 3: experiencing this, but then my sister admitted that she fully
Speaker 3: remembered all this with me too. I don't remember her
Speaker 3: being ever the life, But there was a couple of
Speaker 3: times where it just kept happening so frequently that me
Speaker 3: being curious, I would open up the closet, and when
Speaker 3: I opened up the closet, the punching may right there
Speaker 3: in front of the door, which terrified me because I'm like,
Speaker 3: I know I put it in the back, but I
Speaker 3: removed it. I was like, whatever I'd moved it put
Speaker 3: in the back, just put it all the way in
Speaker 3: the back of the closet and closed it again. And
Speaker 3: just I kept hearing these noises in my room, and
Speaker 3: like it was just constant, almost on like the daily,
Speaker 3: And it got to the point where it was just
Speaker 3: like it was really aggressive, and like I remember one
Speaker 3: time specifically, I was playing in my room and like
Speaker 3: it had happened a couple of tides where like I
Speaker 3: opened it and nothing moved around a bunch of times,
Speaker 3: and it got to the point where I literally just
Speaker 3: like stopped touching it. I put it all in the
Speaker 3: back of the closet, like moved things around it so
Speaker 3: it wouldn't moved, and just locked it away. And I
Speaker 3: kept hearing these scratches and these like growls coming from
Speaker 3: the closet.
Speaker 1: Scratches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I would hear on the wall, like as
Speaker 3: if like something was scratching on the walk in. My
Speaker 3: bed was on the wall against the closet, so like
Speaker 3: my headboard would be against the closet, and I would
Speaker 3: hear it just all days and night. And like I
Speaker 3: opened the closet one day and it was there again.
Speaker 3: And at that point I was just terrified. I was
Speaker 3: utterly done. Told my mother to pop it and throw
Speaker 3: it away. I was done with it, and we got
Speaker 3: rid of it. But uh, granted that did give me
Speaker 3: a lifelong period of clouds because I just associated clouds.
Speaker 1: But do you think that it was the punching bag
Speaker 1: or was it like something else in the closet.
Speaker 3: So no, I think it was just something else in
Speaker 3: the closet that just like chose that. Because even after
Speaker 3: that happened, it was like constant, we just like still
Speaker 3: heard it, and like like I started getting night terrors
Speaker 3: at that point, and I remember at one point I
Speaker 3: had experienced sleep paralysis, I guess is the best way.
Speaker 3: I can't explain it, but it was the only time
Speaker 3: in my life that ever happened. I woke up in
Speaker 3: the middle of the night and just for no reason
Speaker 3: outside of just feeling like a pressure on top of me.
Speaker 3: And when I woke up, I saw this absolutely just
Speaker 3: terrifying figure laying over me, and just like the way
Speaker 3: I remember seeing it, it was fully just floating over me,
Speaker 3: but somehow just like holding me down, and to my recollection,
Speaker 3: I like I remember like trying to move, I could
Speaker 3: move my head and movie that I couldn't move, and
Speaker 3: it was absolutely terrifying, Like it was you know at
Speaker 3: the end of the conjuring too, where like she's getting
Speaker 3: rid of the noun baloic and like it like comes
Speaker 3: out for a second that looked taint to what I said,
Speaker 3: Oh no, uh, And yeah, it was absolutely terrifying, and
Speaker 3: like I just remember it saying something and like I
Speaker 3: don't remember what, but I like I always just said
Speaker 3: that I'm pretty sure it like said like I'll be
Speaker 3: back for you, and just disappeared and screaming for my
Speaker 3: parents who were next door, and like terrified, I told
Speaker 3: my mom what had happened, and us, being Puerto Rican,
Speaker 3: I was baptized Catholic, so obviously she was like, here's
Speaker 3: some holy water in this room. And we always kept
Speaker 3: the rosary in my room after that, but for years
Speaker 3: we went like it wasn't just in that house. It's
Speaker 3: like when we moved to Florida. We moved to Orlando,
Speaker 3: and when we went there, it was still following me around.
Speaker 3: But on a couple of occasions, like we would leave
Speaker 3: and we would come back home and the rosary that
Speaker 3: was on my raw would be just torn asunders.
Speaker 1: Like torn like, oh my god, that's not good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was just absolutely terrifying, and like I to
Speaker 3: this day, like we never saw out anything for it,
Speaker 3: but like I just remember like specifically, like when we
Speaker 3: lived in Orlando, my like my friends would come over
Speaker 3: and my friends were terrified to stay in my room
Speaker 3: and like even me, like I was absolutely terrified to
Speaker 3: go into my room. And my family could probably attest this.
Speaker 3: Whenever I went into my room, my door was closed.
Speaker 3: I always looked away before the if something was going
Speaker 3: to be on the.
Speaker 1: Other side now did so going back before you guys
Speaker 1: got the punching bag, Was there stuff happening then or
Speaker 1: did it all kind of start when the punching bag arrived?
Speaker 3: So I think, at least for me, that's the only
Speaker 3: time I started realizing that things started. But even before,
Speaker 3: like it was centered on me and like we would
Speaker 3: We lived in a pretty big apartment for New York City.
Speaker 3: We had like five bedrooms and it was just a
Speaker 3: long hallway between all the rooms, and we used to
Speaker 3: hear footsteps in the middle of the night and we
Speaker 3: would all just assume that it was one of the
Speaker 3: other ones getting up in the middle of the night.
Speaker 3: But we would come out and like we would see everything.
Speaker 3: It's like there's everyone was in there, and we all
Speaker 3: just came out because we heard somebody walking out, walking
Speaker 3: down the hallway. And for the longest time when we
Speaker 3: lived it. When we lived there, we were to ask
Speaker 3: our mom, it's just place haunted because we hear things
Speaker 3: all the time, and she was like, no, no, it's
Speaker 3: not haunted at all. When we moved to Florida and
Speaker 3: we were talking about all our experiences, my mother looked
Speaker 3: me in the face and like all of us in
Speaker 3: the face was like, oh no, it definitely was hanted.
Speaker 3: I just didn't want to tell you guys that, and
Speaker 3: we're like, excuse me. It was like she had told
Speaker 3: us that apparently, like the building had a dumb waiter,
Speaker 3: and that dumb waiter we could see it. It was
Speaker 3: by our front door, but it was like they sealed
Speaker 3: it off.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what that means. What's a dumb waiter?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know those They use them in like old
Speaker 3: houses to like move things from one forward to another.
Speaker 1: Oh, like a little elevator thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a little elevator thing. And it was it
Speaker 3: was permanently sealed off. And my mother had told us
Speaker 3: that apparently, I don't even know how long ago, but
Speaker 3: at some points a man had fallen from our floor
Speaker 3: through the dumb waiter all the way to the basement
Speaker 3: and died.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And she just only told us that after we had
Speaker 3: moved on to the house.
Speaker 1: Something about those things are terrifying to me anyway, But
Speaker 1: so okay, but there's a lot going on here. So
Speaker 1: there's somebody walking through the hallways and then there's like
Speaker 1: scratching and growling in the closets. I mean that that
Speaker 1: to me. Sounds like two different entities or you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think they were two different things. But
Speaker 3: like I to this day, I don't know what the
Speaker 3: other thing started with because it followed me around for soul,
Speaker 3: and it did follow me. It was like specifically me.
Speaker 3: It wasn't anyone else in my family. Everything was always
Speaker 3: centered around like my room, everything was sent around me.
Speaker 1: But you think that the the figure that you would
Speaker 1: encounter when you were in sleep paralysis, do you think
Speaker 1: that that is the same thing as what was in
Speaker 1: the closet or not.
Speaker 3: I do think it was the same thing that was
Speaker 3: in the closet because that had happened, like I remember correctly,
Speaker 3: probably a week or two after we had just gotten
Speaker 3: rid of the punching bag in the closet.
Speaker 1: That sounds like the most insane Amazon review for that
Speaker 1: punching bag, like, don't buy this punching bag. You will
Speaker 1: have a demon however over you in the night.
Speaker 3: It was wild.
Speaker 1: So so you moved to Florida. But when did this
Speaker 1: stop or has it stopped?
Speaker 3: So the last place I remember it's stopping, so like
Speaker 3: when we lived in that apartment for however, and when
Speaker 3: we moved out of that apartment the first time after
Speaker 3: I graduated high school, when I was the only time
Speaker 3: like I remember like nothing ever happening, but I had
Speaker 3: seen the same figure again in another like sleeper Ouss's
Speaker 3: Nightmare when we had moved to Orlando, and like that's
Speaker 3: when things started back up in that house in Orlando,
Speaker 3: where like everything and there was just getting really bad.
Speaker 3: I used to sleep in my closet door open because
Speaker 3: I was terrified of being closed and things being on
Speaker 3: the backside of it. But I do remember one time
Speaker 3: I had a friend sleeping over and we were all
Speaker 3: just like our neighbors were over and everything. We were
Speaker 3: all just like sleeping over and my one friend had
Speaker 3: fallen asleep in my room and we were playing rock
Speaker 3: band that he brought over, and like I went to
Speaker 3: go wake him up because he knew the coach still
Speaker 3: knock all the songs, and we just turned on the
Speaker 3: light and he's freaking out and he was yelling.
Speaker 4: At us, like what the hell.
Speaker 3: I'm like, he was like what the hell, And we
Speaker 3: were like, woa. All we do is turn on the lights.
Speaker 3: He was like no, someone pulled the covers off the
Speaker 3: bed and we were like we all just walked into
Speaker 3: the room just now and he was on the opposite
Speaker 3: end of the room.
Speaker 1: By the time. So now you live in North Carolina, though,
Speaker 1: is this thing happening now?
Speaker 3: No, So like in terms of that, it's stopped probably
Speaker 3: around the time that, Yeah, like after I graduated high school,
Speaker 3: after we moved out of that apartment the second time,
Speaker 3: everything just stop. But even before then, everything kind of
Speaker 3: slowed down. And I'm not sure why. I'm sure why
Speaker 3: any of it happened at all, but there's a lot
Speaker 3: of theories and superstitions in my family. I don't know,
Speaker 3: but it's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because you were saying that you have a family
Speaker 1: of psychic sort of what do you mean by that?
Speaker 3: So on my mother's side of the family, it's always
Speaker 3: been like said that, like we have psychics in the family,
Speaker 3: like everyone has a little is a little bit gifted.
Speaker 3: My grandmother, who lived with us, used to read tarot
Speaker 3: cards and a bunch of other weird stuff, which was
Speaker 3: weird because my grandmother was illiterate, but she read tarot cards.
Speaker 3: I've never made me my mother, everyone used to call
Speaker 3: her a witch because she would look at a woman
Speaker 3: and be able to know that she was pregnant before
Speaker 3: she even she was pregnant, and she could tell what
Speaker 3: a woman was going to have, like whether or not
Speaker 3: I was going to be a boy, whether I was
Speaker 3: going to be a girl before it was born, and
Speaker 3: she was always right, and it was the weirdest thing
Speaker 3: outside of that, Like I know, like my sister has
Speaker 3: admitted to like seeing stuff, which like it's not something
Speaker 3: she likes or like fully addresses, but I guess I
Speaker 3: guess she in some way she is a medium because
Speaker 3: she's the only one I know out of us that
Speaker 3: actually see you that I think. I know my little
Speaker 3: sister has admitted that she sees ours. And for me,
Speaker 3: I know I very much had empathic abilities, like since
Speaker 3: I was young, I always remember like being able to
Speaker 3: feel up the's.
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