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Speaker 3: By Ross.

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Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me ros.

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Speaker 1: I feel so much better than I did last week.

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Speaker 1: I sounded awful, like I was saying, I've kind of

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Speaker 1: a little sick in some upcoming episodes. You know, I

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Speaker 1: I have recorded a few that will be coming at you,

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Speaker 1: and listen to it. It's a two part conversation. She's

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Speaker 1: a real exorcist and non denominational exorcist, an incredible life. Also,

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Speaker 1: know so many listeners of this show have read and

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Speaker 1: This is from Russell. Russell says I live on a

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Speaker 1: Thanks Russell, and also Russell put a picture of the

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Speaker 1: farm in the Facebook group ghosted by Roz dress Fales.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sending that. I hate to say it,

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Speaker 1: to your husband. So we've got some great listeners on

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Speaker 5: Helloa, Rebecca and Virginia.

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Speaker 1: How are you great?

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Speaker 2: How are you Riz?

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Speaker 1: I am so good. The story that you said to me,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, have you ever encountered a ghost?

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear that one first, and then maybe maybe

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, as long as I can remember, I've

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Speaker 2: It's that nightmare where you're being chased, and it's not

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Speaker 2: Isn't that awesome that either my subconscious or some guardian

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Speaker 2: You still need someone who's strong but you know, feminine

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is so great. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and thank you for your podcast and you know,

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Speaker 2: for rod as dressful as I think there's many other

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kicked that shadow man's ass and I'll do

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Speaker 1: it again. Let's hear your Ouiji board story.

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Speaker 3: Sure.

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Speaker 2: In college, I lived in an old building that used

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Speaker 1: Well, wait, when you say that your you thought you

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Speaker 2: I really can't say. And you know, back back then

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Speaker 2: definitely I would see what I thought was my roommate

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Speaker 2: out with us. So we get oeg board and one

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Speaker 2: And I said, if you're my grandmother, tell me you know.

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Speaker 2: said that's wrong because it's four. And then the Luigi

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Speaker 2: then it starts spelling out Francis, and I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: Francis is, and it goes baby crib death, Francis, baby

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Speaker 2: it died from krip death.

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Speaker 4: I know.

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Speaker 1: So do you think that that was your grandma in

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Speaker 2: I have no idea. And then I've heard about the

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if I was just channeling, you know,

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Speaker 2: something that I had remembered from my ancestors, or if

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Speaker 4: So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think, Well, I think that

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Speaker 1: if that is the case, that it was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I have no memory of them talking about you know,

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think a psychologist would say, at some point when

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Speaker 1: Well, and it could just be that you guys were

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Speaker 1: using the weedi board looking for you know, basically who's around,

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Speaker 1: and your Grandma's like, well, I'm available, I'll talk to you,

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Speaker 1: not necessarily being the spirit that's in that house, you know, right.

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Speaker 2: And then also that was my sophomore year. That was

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Speaker 2: saying like, you got to cut that out, you know,

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Speaker 2: you don't. You don't want to get partied out. You

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Speaker 2: could have been my grandma looking over me that way, or.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but activity that, you know, seeing someone out of

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Speaker 2: It continued as long as I lived there?

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Speaker 3: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Interesting? Hey, you want to listen to an EVP with me?

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Speaker 2: Definitely?

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for EVP or ev plice. This one

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Speaker 1: is from someone on YouTube called Haunted Stories and it

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Speaker 1: is at a place called the Malvern Manor in Melvern, Iowa.

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Speaker 1: It's actually been on the TV show Paranormal Lockdown with

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Speaker 1: It was built in the eighteen eighties as a cottage hotel.

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Speaker 1: It was the town's hotel. According to historical records. The

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Speaker 1: there were rumors of strange happenings. Creeks, cracks, unaccounted for, footsteps,

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Speaker 1: voices and shadows, moans, screams, the eerie feeling of being watched. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know about the plumbing, but wow, okay, here

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Speaker 1: is one. This one creeps me out. So a little

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Speaker 3: With this voice. Did you hear it?

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Speaker 2: I have to hear it again, okay.

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Speaker 1: Anything?

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Speaker 2: Well, it kind of sounds like pe drop silverware. Oh

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Speaker 2: it sounds like they said out or something.

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Speaker 1: Without Yeah, yeah, here, I'll play it again.

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Speaker 3: It's like cheat too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Is it even English?

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Speaker 1: Well, here's some options. Okay, is it a what a

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Speaker 1: flashy top? And like maybe someone had a nice top

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Is it b the flesh is coming?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 1: What does that even mean? See, you need to stop

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Speaker 1: or d ooh refreshing snacks. Okay, let me play it again.

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Speaker 2: Oh I hear the fleshy part now, and I have goosebumps.

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Speaker 1: I know they think it says the flesh is comingh okay, wait,

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Speaker 1: let me play it again. I hear ooh, a fleshy top.

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Speaker 1: The flesh is coming? Is that what ghosts call us

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Speaker 1: is coming, but I do hear like the flesh I

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Speaker 1: to me like yeah, more of a shorter syllable at

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Speaker 2: That's horrifying. I hear like the flesh is up. And

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Speaker 2: then I hear them opening the top off of a beverage,

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Speaker 1: So see now that could be refreshing soda, and then

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that you shared your story with me.

434
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: Your story is I love this dream stories so much

435
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: and I'm honored to have been able to be in

436
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: your dream and I'm so grateful that the shadow Man

437
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: is never going to come back for you.

438
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: Oh and I'm so grateful for your podcast and all

439
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: the hours of entertainment it's given me. And thank you

440
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 2: so much for sorting out my dream problem.

441
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 5: No problem at a time. I've been ghosted too. Hello

442
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 5: James in San Diego?

443
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: How are you?

444
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 4: I'm good, ros, how are you? I'm so excited to

445
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 4: be on the show.

446
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm so excited to have you. Have

447
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: you ever been to the Whaley House? I mean, I

448
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: feel like that's like the most famous haunted place in

449
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: San Diego.

450
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 4: Yes, so when I was a little kid, I used

451
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 4: to actually beg my dad to take me there, and

452
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 4: I want to say every weekend. I was like in

453
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 4: kindergarten in first grade. Yes, I remember. He used to

454
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: really humor me, both of my parents did, with like

455
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 4: my interest in the paranormal. But he bought me a

456
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 4: disposable Kodec camera and let me go take pictures in

457
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,080
Speaker 4: the Whaley House and we took them to the hour

458
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 4: photo down at the Rate Aid after and we got

459
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 4: back the pictures and they're just I wish I could

460
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,679
Speaker 4: still have them today. I don't know where they are,

461
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 4: but they are full of weird stuff like orbs, light

462
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 4: phenomenon like shapes. Almost every single photo had something super

463
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 4: intense in it cool, and I remember bringing it into

464
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 4: my teacher in first grade to show her. And I

465
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: don't think that I told my parents I was going

466
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 4: to do that, because I figured they probably would have

467
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 4: been like, well, maybe that's not like the best thing

468
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 4: to do. I remember bringing them for her and her

469
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 4: just I think thinking I was probably quite a strange child,

470
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 4: but I was so proud of them and wanted to

471
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 4: show everyone.

472
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: I still have never had a single damn thing happen

473
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: to me at the Whaley House. The Whaley ghos want

474
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: nothing to do with me, And I've probably been i

475
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: don't know, probably close to ten times in my life

476
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: and nothing. I think what I need is a CODEAC

477
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: disposable camera.

478
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you do. I mean, I've honestly had

479
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 4: nothing happen as an adult since I've gone. But I

480
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 4: kind of think sometimes buildings that are older, maybe they

481
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 4: lose the haunting. If it's like a residual haunting, maybe

482
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 4: after time that wears off. I don't know, that's kind

483
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 4: of my career, Like maybe they goes to just get tired. Right.

484
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: Well, sounds like you're are you like a paranormal person?

485
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: Are you like really into this stuff?

486
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

487
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 4: I think I have periods where like I kind of

488
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: get really into it and like I'll read all about

489
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: it for months, and then you know, there's times where

490
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: I don't really participate in it as much. But yeah,

491
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 4: my whole life, I've always been super interested in anything

492
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 4: kind of paranormal or dark or spooky, or witchcraft or

493
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: ghosts or UFOs, anything like that.

494
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: Can we hear a story?

495
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, I was trying to think of different ones,

496
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: and I actually have quite a few.

497
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: Oh, give it to me, all right, where do we start?

498
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 4: So I guess I have a story about my family

499
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 4: in the house that my mom grew up in. So

500
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 4: my mom's side of the family, her grandparents were all

501
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: born in Transylvania over. Yeah, they moved over to the

502
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 4: United States, like right before World War One, and like

503
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 4: immigrant family, they spoke German and Hungarian, very very Catholic,

504
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 4: the Catholic in that sort of Eastern European way where

505
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 4: it's kind of a little bit I would almost say

506
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 4: pagan and very like superstitious, lots of like very specific beliefs,

507
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 4: like my great grandmother was terrified of the evil eye,

508
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: Like if someone passed away in the home, she would

509
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 4: always immediately go to a mirror and cover it with

510
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 4: fabric to keep their soul from getting trapped the mirror,

511
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 4: like those sorts of like old world beliefs. So we

512
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 4: grew up hearing a lot of stories from the old

513
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 4: country from everyone who had kind of grown up there.

514
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 4: And there's always kind of been a little bit of

515
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 4: a a witchy kind of aspect to that side of

516
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 4: the family from that history. So cut forward years to

517
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 4: this nineteen sixties seventies. My mom is like a young woman,

518
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: graduated from high school, but not married to my dad yet,

519
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: so she's still living at home. And the home that

520
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 4: they're living in San Diego has a poulter geist. And

521
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 4: this was the first time that we had had a

522
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 4: poltergeist in the family, and they've kind of been a

523
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 4: regular thing ever since then, specifically with my grandmother, who

524
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 4: was my mom's mom. And I've heard stories about this house.

525
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 4: The family no longer lives there anymore, but they would

526
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 4: start with knockings. They would hear around the house. Doors

527
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 4: would open, windows would ow open. The radios would just

528
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 4: turn on and off. The dials would fully move across

529
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 4: the front, you know of the old fashioned radio. The

530
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 4: TV would turn on by itself, and this is you know,

531
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: before they had remote controls and you'd actually have to

532
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 4: physically go to the device and operate it, you know,

533
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 4: on the side. And I think the scariest thing that

534
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 4: happened to them was my grandmother woke up in the

535
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 4: morning and went into the kitchen to start making breakfast,

536
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 4: and all of the kitchen cabinets and drawers were open,

537
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 4: and all of the pots, pans, plates, utensils. Everything in

538
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 4: the kitchen was laid out on the floor and in

539
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 4: the dining room nothing was broken, like, nothing fell out.

540
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: It was all taken out place down and no one

541
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: had heard a thing. Yeah, no one heard anything in

542
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 4: the night. They just woke up and were like, what

543
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 4: the hell is going on here?

544
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 5: Oh God?

545
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 1: See that to me can get dangerous, like something fly

546
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: your head, Like that's really scary, especially the kind of

547
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: I mean ghost or or energy or whatever's that's like, Oh,

548
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm really gonna mess with these people. I'm going to

549
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: do this quietly.

550
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

551
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 4: I think the quietness is like the sinister feeling part

552
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: of it. It's so sneaky. I don't know.

553
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: But you were saying that they've had multiple Poultergeists since.

554
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 4: Then, Yes, yeah, they. It's interesting because for stuff I've

555
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 4: read about Poultergeist, there's a theory that it can kind

556
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 4: of be like trauma is expressing itself in the form

557
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 4: of energy. And like, my family's wonderful and like I

558
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 4: love all of them very much, but definitely during those

559
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 4: years there were family things going on, like all families do,

560
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 4: but to the point where I could kind of understand

561
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 4: maybe this was someone's energy that was causing this to happen,

562
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 4: and ass why it was happening. But we had also

563
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: heard that the family that lived in the house prior

564
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 4: had a son that was in high school and he

565
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 4: had actually completed suicide in the home. So that's kind

566
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 4: of an option too. But I feel like that's I

567
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 4: don't necessarily think that that would cause something like that

568
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 4: to happen. I don't want to blame someone, if that

569
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 4: makes sense, you know, for haunting like that. But yeah,

570
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 4: there's always kind of been a poultergeist ever since then.

571
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: My grandma's last house that she lived in, she rents it.

572
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 4: It was like a tract home in a subdivision in

573
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 4: Fallbrook if you know where that is, kind of like

574
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 4: North San Diego County, and it was this little, just

575
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 4: really quiet, normal looking home at the end of a

576
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: cul de sac, super innocuous that when she moved in,

577
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 4: the person who was renting it to her told her,

578
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 4: you know, I just want to let you know in

579
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 4: case anything happens, there has been some history in the

580
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 4: upstairs bedroom and we have had an exorcism. I don't

581
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 4: think anything should bother you, but I just want you

582
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,200
Speaker 4: to know so you can tell me if something happens,

583
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 4: and I understand, and that would have been a red

584
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 4: flag for me immediately to maybe not move in, But

585
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: she moved there. It was a two story house and

586
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 4: she was living with my uncle at the time, and

587
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 4: he's a disabled veteran, so he doesn't really go upstairs.

588
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,240
Speaker 4: He would live on the main floor of the house,

589
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 4: the ground floor, and my grandmother had the master bedroom

590
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 4: that was upstairs at the very back of the house.

591
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: So there's a front bedroom that was on top of

592
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 4: my uncle's bedroom that no one used, no one went in,

593
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 4: no one lived there. It was more or less empty.

594
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 4: It just had a closet. And my uncle would say

595
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: that all through the night or through the day, he

596
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 4: would hear like knocking footsteps, people talking at nighttime, like

597
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 4: furniture being moved, people having conversations, everything coming from that room.

598
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: And he's not going up there. And then my grandmother

599
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 4: in her nineties, so she's pretty limited too in her movement.

600
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: She's not going and moving any furniture, you know what

601
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 4: I mean. Yeah, And they would always talk about it.

602
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 4: My grandmother would constantly have things go missing, where they

603
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 4: would just disappear and then show up months later. For

604
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 4: a period of time, her cell phone went missing, and

605
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 4: we were concerned because I don't remember she had a

606
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: landline at the time or not, but we were trying

607
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 4: to get in contact with her and the phone was

608
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 4: just always going through to voicemail, like it was turned off.

609
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: And she has an older person, so like it was

610
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: concerning to us wondering what doesn'thing happen to her, So

611
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 4: we were finally able to get in contact with her.

612
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 4: Neighbor went and checked on her and the phone had

613
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 4: just disappeared. So she had to go get a new phone,

614
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 4: pay for one, get a new plan, cancel the old one,

615
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 4: do all of this, and a week or so after

616
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 4: getting the new phone, she has a cleaning lady that

617
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 4: will then help her do kind of like the heavy cleaning,

618
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 4: you know, a couple times a month, and the cleaning

619
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 4: lady finds her phone in the closet of the front bedroom,

620
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 4: on the very very top shelf, hidden like behind a

621
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,479
Speaker 4: comforter or something. Yeah, how to get up there?

622
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: That's the part that's always the part.

623
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 4: That's the part that's weird. It's like my uncle can't

624
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 4: climb stairs and there's no way that she's getting on

625
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 4: a ladder. But yeah, it disappeared from her kitchen table

626
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: and that's where it was.

627
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, one thing that I was thinking that this

628
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: is like another poltergeist theory. However, I might not work

629
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: for this scenario, given the fact that the person the

630
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: realtor whoever, when she moved in, said that there was

631
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: history already in that house. But sometimes it's telekinesis like

632
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,960
Speaker 1: maybe your grandma had that ability, whether she knew how

633
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: to control it or not. Kind of I mean, not

634
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: unlike Carrie or something, but I think it's a little different.

635
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: But sometimes there's people that can, you know, move things

636
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: with their brain and then they move from house to

637
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: house and it gets confused for being a Poulter guyst

638
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: But no, it sounds like there was other stuff going on.

639
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: Well, it's like I thought about that too, And like

640
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 4: I said, my family has there's like a witchiness to them.

641
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 4: I don't know how to describe it otherwise, but there's

642
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: something kind of psychic. I think they vibrate on some frequency,

643
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: especially the women on that side of the family that

644
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 4: if it were one of them was had secret telekinetic

645
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 4: abilities and was unknowingly causing things to happen. I would

646
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: not be surprised.

647
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: WHOA Okay, tell me another one.

648
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: So let's see.

649
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 4: I do have a couple stories with my mom. She's

650
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 4: no longer with us, unfortunately, but she was kind of

651
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 4: like my mentor with the spiritual, you know, kind of

652
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 4: mystical realm as a child. We grew up Catholic, but

653
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,439
Speaker 4: we also like did tarot car as. My mom would

654
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 4: play with Luigi board with me, which is kind of

655
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 4: controversial looking back on that now as an adult, I'm like,

656
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: I don't hope I would do that with my kid,

657
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: but we always had fun. But I would kind of

658
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: like talk about that kind of stuff with her because

659
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 4: she was interested in it as well, and whenever we

660
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 4: would kind of go places together, I feel like maybe

661
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 4: that shared interest between us kind of like would attract

662
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: things to happen to us, if that makes sense. I

663
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 4: used to live in the UK. I went to university

664
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 4: over there, so I was there for two years and

665
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 4: she came to visit me for a trip and we

666
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 4: stayed at this very very old and I believe it's

667
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 4: called the George and Pilgrim in a town called Glastonbury.

668
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if you're familiar with Glastonbury Music Festival is, yeah,

669
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 4: they have the music festival there, and then the town

670
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 4: itself is like kind of a mystical, little ancient pagan village.

671
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 4: There's a lot of sort of hippie type people who

672
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 4: lived there and like modern day neo pagans and witches,

673
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: and there's a history there too. It's like supposed to

674
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 4: be the place where King Arthur had Camelot and a

675
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 4: lot of kind of those myths originated in that area.

676
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 4: So there's already like a very a very spiritual kind

677
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: of mystic energy to that town. And we stayed in

678
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 4: a very old hotel there. It like built in the

679
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 4: twelve hundreds or something like that, like just ridiculously old.

680
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 4: But the room that we stayed in had just a

681
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: very very simple room, you know, two beds and then

682
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 4: a TV and a little console. We stayed there for

683
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 4: two or three nights, and every single night in the

684
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 4: middle of the night, the TV would just turn on

685
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 4: constantly and like waga stuff. And so the first time, yeah,

686
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: I hate it. The first time it happened, it freaked

687
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: the like shit out of me because I'm a pretty

688
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: deep sleeper. But I think it just came on a

689
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: full volume in the pitch dark, and that was terrifying,

690
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: but I didn't think too much of it. I you know,

691
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 4: turned off, went back to sleep. Happens again a couple

692
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 4: more times, and I'm like, I don't know what it is,

693
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 4: Like am I moving around and like I'm hitting the

694
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 4: remote you know, on the side table with my arm

695
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: or something like that, Like I need to go, you know,

696
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 4: turn off. So I went over and put the remote

697
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: control into the drawer of the little table that the

698
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 4: TV was on, and it was still continuing to turn on.

699
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 4: And so the next night I fully unplugged the TV

700
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 4: and it continued to turn on. That did turn on

701
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 4: in the middle of the night.

702
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh that's supposed to make it stop.

703
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: What.

704
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 4: I swear. And I leaving the hotel. I don't remember

705
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 4: if it was someone I talked to the front desk,

706
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: or if it was something that maybe I read in

707
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 4: one of the brochures. But the room that we stayed

708
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 4: in was called the Monk's Cell, and it's called the

709
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 4: monk cell because in you know, medieval times, a monk

710
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 4: had completed suicide in that room and it's supposed to

711
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 4: be haunted.

712
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: Well, can we hear more?

713
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have one more.

714
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: Okay.

715
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 4: So this also happened in England, and it was a

716
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 4: town called Rye, and I was staying with my mother

717
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 4: again in a very old hotel, and this time we

718
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 4: had gotten a room that was in I think it

719
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 4: was the converted attic of this inn that we were

720
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: staying in. So it's at the very floor. There's nothing

721
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 4: else on that floor, no other rooms, no walls shared

722
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 4: with another room. It was just kind of the roof,

723
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 4: so like a pitched ceiling and like a small room.

724
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 4: Nothing else around, no trees, no other buildings, nothing nearby.

725
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 4: Just that was it on the top floor. And we

726
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 4: were getting ready for bed, and I think both of

727
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 4: us were, you know, in our beds reading something. It's nighttime,

728
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: and I remember just kind of sitting there and reading

729
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 4: my book and clear as day, very very loud, I

730
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 4: start hearing chains being pulled and groaning, like somebody's moving

731
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 4: boxes or like working very very hard to move something.

732
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 4: And I sort of look up from my book and

733
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: my mom looks up. When we look at each other

734
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 4: like did we just hear that? Like as there's something

735
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 4: going on, And it happens again, but louder and it

736
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 4: starts to become more voices and there's whispering and groaning

737
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 4: and moaning and it. Thinking about it, it sounds so

738
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 4: weird because it sounds exactly like what it would expect

739
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 4: in kind of like a B horror movie from the seventies,

740
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: like just very stereotypical, like oo like Halloween ghosts, Like

741
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 4: it doesn't sound real at all.

742
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, especially like the chains, like it's it could

743
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: very easily get into like ghosts of Christmas past.

744
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: Kind very campy. Yeah, it was very very strange, and

745
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 4: it's kind of the one that I don't really talk

746
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 4: about that story with anyone, just because it sounds so

747
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: I don't want to say unbelievable, because they all sound unbelievable,

748
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: but it just just like even to me, and like

749
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 4: it feels very on the nose. But I like, I

750
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 4: will swear until you know I die. That there was

751
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: like no recording, nothing on the TV. No one could

752
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 4: have been around in a room nearby making that sound.

753
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 4: Nothing was outside, and it went on all night long.

754
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: All night long. It was impossible to sleep because you

755
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 4: could just hear the whispering in the back and the

756
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 4: forth and it was so so strange, and unless it

757
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 4: was an elaborate hoax where there's small speakers or something

758
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 4: put around the room and we were on candid camera,

759
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 4: which is what it felt like, and maybe it was.

760
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, why didn't you guys got to

761
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: the front desk or anything.

762
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 4: I don't really remember if we did it or not.

763
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 4: I do remember going down the next day to talk

764
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 4: with my grandmother or my mom's mom, who would also

765
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 4: stayed at the hotel, but on a different floor. And

766
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 4: she's funny because she can be extremely blase about things

767
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 4: in a way that's like just very comical and like

768
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 4: comes across as very dismissive, but she doesn't mean it

769
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: to be that way at all. I remember going and

770
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 4: telling her like, oh, like, I won't believe that this

771
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 4: thing happened, and like there were these voices and all

772
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 4: this whispering, and you can ask mom, like, I'm not

773
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 4: making it up. You know she experienced too, and you

774
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 4: know my mom was like, yeah, I know it did happen.

775
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 4: My grandma goes, oh, well, isn't that interesting and then

776
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 4: just goes back to eating her breakfast and never talks

777
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 4: about it ever again with us.

778
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

779
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it sounds like ghosts love you.

780
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 4: I think they do. I'm okay with it as long

781
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,319
Speaker 4: as as long as they're nice.

782
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 5: A ghost in my house?

783
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

784
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: I'm joined by Lewis in North Carolina. Lewis, how are you?

785
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: I'm doing wonderful, Ross, How are you doing?

786
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,280
Speaker 1: I am so good. However, I was reading the email

787
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: you sent me, and it sounds like you've seen some shit.

788
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen some shit for sure. Yeah.

789
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like you have some really scary stories.

790
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 1: But it's daylight here. I'm ready for it. Where do

791
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: we begin?

792
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess we began with the big one.

793
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: So I'm Puerto Rican. My family grew up in New York,

794
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: so I'm the quintessential just New Yorrican. And we grew

795
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 3: up in a really old building in the Bronx. And

796
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 3: when I was young, I had a room to myself

797
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: and the room just had a massive closet that my

798
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 3: parents kept luck because they just kept a bunch of

799
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 3: drunk and all my toys in there, and it was

800
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 3: just a hot mess and they didn't want me to

801
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 3: get hurt. At a very young age, I learned how

802
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 3: to pick a lock, when I was about four or five,

803
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 3: for Christmas one year, I had asked my parents to

804
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: get me a punching bag. I had met a heavy bag,

805
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 3: but at the time they bought me one of those,

806
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 3: you know, one of those kids punching bags. Was like

807
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: a blown punching bag. You hit it and it kind

808
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 3: of come back.

809
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: Right, okay, and it was a it was a clown one, okay,

810
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 1: possibly terrifying to some people, I get, uh.

811
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh. And I used to play with the thing

812
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: all the time, but anytime I've done with my mom

813
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 3: would always put all my toys in the closet, locked

814
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 3: it up, and I specifically remember we used to put

815
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 3: it there was a pile of toys in the closet, uh,

816
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 3: And we would always put it behind the behind the

817
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 3: pilot to just make sure nothing would fall in it

818
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 3: and like pop it or play it or whatever. And

819
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 3: for the longest time, I don't even remember how long

820
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: it took to start. I just remember I used to

821
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 3: just play in my room and for the longest time,

822
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: I just like started hearing weird noises in my closet.

823
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 3: It first started off which just sounded like things were

824
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:26,479
Speaker 3: moving whatever. And eventually we started hearing like Crowley coming

825
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: from the closet.

826
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

827
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 3: For the longest time, I thought I only remember myself

828
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 3: experiencing this, but then my sister admitted that she fully

829
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: remembered all this with me too. I don't remember her

830
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: being ever the life, But there was a couple of

831
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: times where it just kept happening so frequently that me

832
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 3: being curious, I would open up the closet, and when

833
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: I opened up the closet, the punching may right there

834
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 3: in front of the door, which terrified me because I'm like,

835
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 3: I know I put it in the back, but I

836
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 3: removed it. I was like, whatever I'd moved it put

837
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: in the back, just put it all the way in

838
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 3: the back of the closet and closed it again. And

839
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: just I kept hearing these noises in my room, and

840
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: like it was just constant, almost on like the daily,

841
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: And it got to the point where it was just

842
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 3: like it was really aggressive, and like I remember one

843
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: time specifically, I was playing in my room and like

844
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 3: it had happened a couple of tides where like I

845
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 3: opened it and nothing moved around a bunch of times,

846
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: and it got to the point where I literally just

847
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: like stopped touching it. I put it all in the

848
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 3: back of the closet, like moved things around it so

849
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: it wouldn't moved, and just locked it away. And I

850
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 3: kept hearing these scratches and these like growls coming from

851
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: the closet.

852
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: Scratches.

853
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I would hear on the wall, like as

854
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: if like something was scratching on the walk in. My

855
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: bed was on the wall against the closet, so like

856
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 3: my headboard would be against the closet, and I would

857
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 3: hear it just all days and night. And like I

858
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 3: opened the closet one day and it was there again.

859
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 3: And at that point I was just terrified. I was

860
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: utterly done. Told my mother to pop it and throw

861
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 3: it away. I was done with it, and we got

862
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: rid of it. But uh, granted that did give me

863
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 3: a lifelong period of clouds because I just associated clouds.

864
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: But do you think that it was the punching bag

865
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: or was it like something else in the closet.

866
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: So no, I think it was just something else in

867
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 3: the closet that just like chose that. Because even after

868
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: that happened, it was like constant, we just like still

869
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 3: heard it, and like like I started getting night terrors

870
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: at that point, and I remember at one point I

871
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 3: had experienced sleep paralysis, I guess is the best way.

872
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 3: I can't explain it, but it was the only time

873
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 3: in my life that ever happened. I woke up in

874
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: the middle of the night and just for no reason

875
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 3: outside of just feeling like a pressure on top of me.

876
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,320
Speaker 3: And when I woke up, I saw this absolutely just

877
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: terrifying figure laying over me, and just like the way

878
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: I remember seeing it, it was fully just floating over me,

879
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 3: but somehow just like holding me down, and to my recollection,

880
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 3: I like I remember like trying to move, I could

881
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 3: move my head and movie that I couldn't move, and

882
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 3: it was absolutely terrifying, Like it was you know at

883
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: the end of the conjuring too, where like she's getting

884
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: rid of the noun baloic and like it like comes

885
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: out for a second that looked taint to what I said,

886
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 3: Oh no, uh, And yeah, it was absolutely terrifying, and

887
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 3: like I just remember it saying something and like I

888
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: don't remember what, but I like I always just said

889
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 3: that I'm pretty sure it like said like I'll be

890
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 3: back for you, and just disappeared and screaming for my

891
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 3: parents who were next door, and like terrified, I told

892
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 3: my mom what had happened, and us, being Puerto Rican,

893
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 3: I was baptized Catholic, so obviously she was like, here's

894
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 3: some holy water in this room. And we always kept

895
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 3: the rosary in my room after that, but for years

896
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 3: we went like it wasn't just in that house. It's

897
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 3: like when we moved to Florida. We moved to Orlando,

898
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: and when we went there, it was still following me around.

899
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 3: But on a couple of occasions, like we would leave

900
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 3: and we would come back home and the rosary that

901
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: was on my raw would be just torn asunders.

902
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: Like torn like, oh my god, that's not good.

903
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was just absolutely terrifying, and like I to

904
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 3: this day, like we never saw out anything for it,

905
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: but like I just remember like specifically, like when we

906
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: lived in Orlando, my like my friends would come over

907
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 3: and my friends were terrified to stay in my room

908
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 3: and like even me, like I was absolutely terrified to

909
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 3: go into my room. And my family could probably attest this.

910
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 3: Whenever I went into my room, my door was closed.

911
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 3: I always looked away before the if something was going

912
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 3: to be on the.

913
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: Other side now did so going back before you guys

914
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: got the punching bag, Was there stuff happening then or

915
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: did it all kind of start when the punching bag arrived?

916
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 3: So I think, at least for me, that's the only

917
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 3: time I started realizing that things started. But even before,

918
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 3: like it was centered on me and like we would

919
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: We lived in a pretty big apartment for New York City.

920
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 3: We had like five bedrooms and it was just a

921
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: long hallway between all the rooms, and we used to

922
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: hear footsteps in the middle of the night and we

923
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 3: would all just assume that it was one of the

924
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 3: other ones getting up in the middle of the night.

925
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 3: But we would come out and like we would see everything.

926
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 3: It's like there's everyone was in there, and we all

927
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 3: just came out because we heard somebody walking out, walking

928
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: down the hallway. And for the longest time when we

929
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: lived it. When we lived there, we were to ask

930
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 3: our mom, it's just place haunted because we hear things

931
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 3: all the time, and she was like, no, no, it's

932
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 3: not haunted at all. When we moved to Florida and

933
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 3: we were talking about all our experiences, my mother looked

934
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: me in the face and like all of us in

935
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:26,439
Speaker 3: the face was like, oh no, it definitely was hanted.

936
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 3: I just didn't want to tell you guys that, and

937
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 3: we're like, excuse me. It was like she had told

938
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 3: us that apparently, like the building had a dumb waiter,

939
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 3: and that dumb waiter we could see it. It was

940
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 3: by our front door, but it was like they sealed

941
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: it off.

942
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: And I don't know what that means. What's a dumb waiter?

943
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know those They use them in like old

944
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 3: houses to like move things from one forward to another.

945
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh, like a little elevator thing.

946
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, like a little elevator thing. And it was it

947
00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 3: was permanently sealed off. And my mother had told us

948
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: that apparently, I don't even know how long ago, but

949
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 3: at some points a man had fallen from our floor

950
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: through the dumb waiter all the way to the basement

951
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: and died.

952
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

953
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: And she just only told us that after we had

954
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 3: moved on to the house.

955
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: Something about those things are terrifying to me anyway, But

956
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: so okay, but there's a lot going on here. So

957
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: there's somebody walking through the hallways and then there's like

958
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: scratching and growling in the closets. I mean that that

959
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: to me. Sounds like two different entities or you know.

960
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think they were two different things. But

961
00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: like I to this day, I don't know what the

962
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 3: other thing started with because it followed me around for soul,

963
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 3: and it did follow me. It was like specifically me.

964
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 3: It wasn't anyone else in my family. Everything was always

965
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 3: centered around like my room, everything was sent around me.

966
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: But you think that the the figure that you would

967
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: encounter when you were in sleep paralysis, do you think

968
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: that that is the same thing as what was in

969
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 1: the closet or not.

970
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 3: I do think it was the same thing that was

971
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 3: in the closet because that had happened, like I remember correctly,

972
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 3: probably a week or two after we had just gotten

973
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 3: rid of the punching bag in the closet.

974
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: That sounds like the most insane Amazon review for that

975
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: punching bag, like, don't buy this punching bag. You will

976
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: have a demon however over you in the night.

977
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: It was wild.

978
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: So so you moved to Florida. But when did this

979
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: stop or has it stopped?

980
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: So the last place I remember it's stopping, so like

981
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 3: when we lived in that apartment for however, and when

982
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 3: we moved out of that apartment the first time after

983
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 3: I graduated high school, when I was the only time

984
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:05,759
Speaker 3: like I remember like nothing ever happening, but I had

985
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: seen the same figure again in another like sleeper Ouss's

986
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 3: Nightmare when we had moved to Orlando, and like that's

987
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 3: when things started back up in that house in Orlando,

988
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 3: where like everything and there was just getting really bad.

989
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: I used to sleep in my closet door open because

990
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 3: I was terrified of being closed and things being on

991
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 3: the backside of it. But I do remember one time

992
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 3: I had a friend sleeping over and we were all

993
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 3: just like our neighbors were over and everything. We were

994
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 3: all just like sleeping over and my one friend had

995
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: fallen asleep in my room and we were playing rock

996
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 3: band that he brought over, and like I went to

997
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: go wake him up because he knew the coach still

998
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 3: knock all the songs, and we just turned on the

999
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: light and he's freaking out and he was yelling.

1000
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 4: At us, like what the hell.

1001
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 3: I'm like, he was like what the hell, And we

1002
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 3: were like, woa. All we do is turn on the lights.

1003
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 3: He was like no, someone pulled the covers off the

1004
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,920
Speaker 3: bed and we were like we all just walked into

1005
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 3: the room just now and he was on the opposite

1006
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 3: end of the room.

1007
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: By the time. So now you live in North Carolina, though,

1008
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: is this thing happening now?

1009
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 3: No, So like in terms of that, it's stopped probably

1010
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: around the time that, Yeah, like after I graduated high school,

1011
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 3: after we moved out of that apartment the second time,

1012
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 3: everything just stop. But even before then, everything kind of

1013
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 3: slowed down. And I'm not sure why. I'm sure why

1014
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 3: any of it happened at all, but there's a lot

1015
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 3: of theories and superstitions in my family. I don't know,

1016
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: but it's.

1017
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Because you were saying that you have a family

1018
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: of psychic sort of what do you mean by that?

1019
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 3: So on my mother's side of the family, it's always

1020
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 3: been like said that, like we have psychics in the family,

1021
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: like everyone has a little is a little bit gifted.

1022
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 3: My grandmother, who lived with us, used to read tarot

1023
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 3: cards and a bunch of other weird stuff, which was

1024
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 3: weird because my grandmother was illiterate, but she read tarot cards.

1025
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: I've never made me my mother, everyone used to call

1026
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 3: her a witch because she would look at a woman

1027
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: and be able to know that she was pregnant before

1028
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 3: she even she was pregnant, and she could tell what

1029
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 3: a woman was going to have, like whether or not

1030
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:31,400
Speaker 3: I was going to be a boy, whether I was

1031
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 3: going to be a girl before it was born, and

1032
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 3: she was always right, and it was the weirdest thing

1033
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: outside of that, Like I know, like my sister has

1034
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 3: admitted to like seeing stuff, which like it's not something

1035
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 3: she likes or like fully addresses, but I guess I

1036
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 3: guess she in some way she is a medium because

1037
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 3: she's the only one I know out of us that

1038
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: actually see you that I think. I know my little

1039
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 3: sister has admitted that she sees ours. And for me,

1040
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: I know I very much had empathic abilities, like since

1041
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 3: I was young, I always remember like being able to

1042
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 3: feel up the's.

1043
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:24,720
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1044
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1049
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