1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:05,439 Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 2: And welcome back George Andrea along with William Koncoleuski. William, 3 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: do you think there are some abductees who are not 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: sharing their story? They're not as vocal as you are, 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: They're hiding it? 6 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 3: Oh, for sure. I think the majority of people are. 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 3: And that's why I think that those who do come forward, 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: especially at a time like this where it seems to 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 3: be fairly right up, I really give them tremendous props 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: from coming out with their story. Just a few people 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 3: I can touch on really quickly. I'm not sure if 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 3: anybody saw the Ancient Alien Subduction Files episode on September nineteenth. 13 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 3: One of the new faces that appeared on that show 14 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: was a gentleman by the name of Eric Nansteel. I 15 00:00:56,520 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 3: had opportunity to meet him at the Muffon Symposium of 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 3: the summer in Covington, Kentucky, and I was really impressed 17 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: with how down to earth he was, and how brave 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 3: he was, and how great of a communicator he was 19 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 3: about what he had been through and some of the 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: things that we had shared backgrounds about. And he put 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: out a book it's called Angst in the Shadows, True 22 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: Story of Alien Abductions, and it talks about his encounters 23 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: and whereas a lot of abductees will come out of 24 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: the gate fairly shy, saying here's a list of things 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: that happen to me that I can't explain, he comes 26 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: out swinging saying things. You know that he believes that 27 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 3: the entities that are visiting him don't have spirits souls, 28 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 3: and that they're abducting us to sort of get back 29 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: into the biological space where they actually have souls again. 30 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 3: And he's got a lot of theories like that, and 31 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: he even very shortly after his first book, he put 32 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: out another book called Blood Covenant, and you know that 33 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 3: you can find these on Amazon. And so I was 34 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 3: really impressed with him. Another individual, her name is Kay Hennessy. 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: She's got a book called Without Consent, taken by the Grays, 36 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: and she was the subject of their intense interest starting 37 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: at about age fourteen. Biologically, they were interested in the 38 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: reproduction angle with her quite young in life, and when 39 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 3: in she it was right after her honeymoon. I recall 40 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 3: her story she was taken aboard and that sort of 41 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: thing that happens to a lot of inductees. Here is 42 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: a hybrid child. You know, you know, treat this child 43 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 3: with love, don't you think? Going to her? And things 44 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 3: did not go well from that point. I don't want 45 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: to tell too much of her story, it's in her book, 46 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: but it was a very harrowing moment when she resisted 47 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 3: them during the showing of a hybrid. 48 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: Here. 49 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: Locally, I helped a woman she's gone by the name 50 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 3: en Lane Conway for her book that just got released. 51 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: It's called Visitors from the Phenomena, A Lifetime of Contact 52 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 3: with non human Intelligence. She's a Michigander and one of 53 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: the things, you know, again, a very down to earth person, 54 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: and her story is really incredible because it documents so 55 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: well four generations of experiences her mother, her her child, 56 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: her grandchild. She talks about a lifetime just trying to 57 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: figure out what's going on while one generation after another, 58 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 3: generation after another generation, her family is having experiences. A 59 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: couple people that might be putting out some works but 60 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 3: have not yet to this point. A woman she goes 61 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 3: by the name of Nicole Lynn. She's been talking about 62 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 3: her story and she's got possibly the best, most incredible 63 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 3: amazing stories that I've ever heard from another abductee. Several 64 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 3: cases with multiple witnesses, several cases with animal effects that 65 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: are frankly and pleasant, and it's just astonishing to hear 66 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 3: such an in depth life of encounters. And also another 67 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: woman locally. Her name is Claudia, And one of the 68 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 3: things that really got me about Claudia's story was was 69 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: this particular moment that she shared. She was looking back 70 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 3: several decades back at some picture where she was a 71 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 3: bridesmaid in a wedding, and she looked at the picture 72 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: and she's like, oh, my gosh, I was pregnant in 73 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 3: that picture. She was pregnant. Her baby was taken from her, 74 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: and she forgot that she was even pregnant. She was 75 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: in a position, that rare position somehow, where she was 76 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: out of contact with most folks in her life. Her 77 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,559 Speaker 3: and her fella, I don't know if they were married 78 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: yet or not at the point, well, yeah, they got pregnant. 79 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: And then the one day she wasn't pregnant anymore, and 80 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 3: it was during the course of a move, they were 81 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: moving across the country, and yeah, she just simply forgot. 82 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 3: And then it wasn't until she saw this picture of 83 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 3: herself pregnant that she remembered, Oh my gosh, I was pregnant. 84 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 3: What it would take for somebody to forget that and 85 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: to be in a position where nobody around them would 86 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: remind them, hey, weren't you kind of pregnant? That is 87 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: just mind blowing. Never a dull moment when you're in 88 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 3: this community hearing the stories that people share, and so 89 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: bravely too, because you know, for most of them, there 90 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 3: is no benefit, there is no benefit outside of saying, hey, 91 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 3: let me get this off my chest. You know, people 92 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: are clamoring in, you know, in the US to hear 93 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 3: these types of stories to support people. You know, when 94 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 3: they people often are excited to hear about these stories 95 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: and say, hey, check out this weird thing that happened 96 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 3: to this person. That might also be weird, but these 97 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 3: are just your regular, average salt of the earth folks. 98 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 3: Stuff happens, they can't explain it, they need to tell it, 99 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: and they do they tell it, and you know, props 100 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: to all of them for being able to share what's happened, 101 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 3: and I appreciate all of them. 102 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: All right, let's go to some of the phones. Let's 103 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: start with Dave and Florida. They get us started. Hi David, Good. 104 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 4: Morning, George and Bill. This is the greatest show ever. 105 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I love this show. Real quick question, 106 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 4: I totally believe Travis Walton and Barney and Betty Hill 107 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 4: and Ripley Schubert and I don't think I said that right, 108 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 4: But would you like to see those movies redone? An 109 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 4: interrupted journey like done professionally by say someone Mick Steven 110 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: Spielberg or Fire in the Sky. And one last question, 111 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 4: whatever happened to Barney and Betty's car with the spots 112 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: on the trunk that were magnetic. I know they have 113 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 4: her dress, and I think they have Barney's shoes. What 114 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 4: became of the car? 115 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: Okay, I'm going to sort of roll backwards with your questions. 116 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 3: I don't know what happened with the guy. I have 117 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: no idea. I don't know if George knows, perhaps I 118 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 3: do not. Bill, I don't know, but I don't. I 119 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: do have an amusing story about Betty's dress, though. So 120 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: here in Michigan there was a gentleman named William C. Levengood, 121 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: and he ran a laboratory in Grass Lake. And here 122 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: in Michigan, and he was the person that Betty Hill 123 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: decided should take a look at her dress to see 124 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 3: if anything might be found unusual about it. And so 125 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: I was given the dress, given the dress by Kathy Martin, 126 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: and to cut some snippets, some swatches out of it 127 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 3: to be able to bring to the lab. And I 128 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 3: was told I could keep a little piece. So I 129 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: do have a piece of Betty Hills dress. But so anyway, 130 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 3: so brought it to the lab for loving good, and 131 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: I don't think that I don't recall anything interesting being 132 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 3: found except some sort of residue that was questionable that 133 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 3: turned out to be likely to order it. So there's that. 134 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 3: But I'm a part of history. I helped look into 135 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 3: Betty Hills dress. But for movies now, the UFO Incident 136 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 3: that came out in nineteen seventy five, which is based 137 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: on the Interrupted Journey Betty and Barney Hill's story, I 138 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 3: don't think you could top that production. To me, that 139 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 3: is still one of the best UFO films out there 140 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: abduction films. It was James Earl Jones and pard If 141 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: I get the actress wrong, is Stelle Parsons perhaps, But. 142 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: Thanks and Tom hasked some information for us, Bill on 143 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 2: the car. What do you have? Tom Well? 144 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 5: I was looking here real quick, and apparently, when Betty 145 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 5: died in two thousand and four, the car was located 146 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,359 Speaker 5: in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. 147 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 6: Supposedly it had radioactive spots. 148 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 4: On the trunk. 149 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 5: And that's as much as I'm seeing right here. 150 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 2: How about that, Bill? 151 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. Interesting. The other two things that 152 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: he mentioned Streeber as well as Travis Walton. In terms 153 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: of film productions, I would like to see Communion and 154 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 3: Fire in the Sky call It, which you will read on. Absolutely. 155 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: I think those movies did not represent what happened to 156 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 3: these gentlemen at all. I think they were just hollowey, 157 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 3: Hollywood whitewashes of the story. And those stories need to 158 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: absolutely be retold. But for as for Betty and Barney Hill, 159 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: don't touch you full incident. That's that's a classic. 160 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: Next up, let's go to Dave in Florida or David 161 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 2: we just had. Let's go to Peter in Arizona. Go ahead, Peter, Hi, 162 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: how are you good? 163 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 5: There were two events. One was in nineteen around nineteen 164 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 5: seventy one, and the other one was, uh, this year 165 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 5: in May. I live here in Arizona right now, but 166 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 5: the first event occurred in Las Vegas, Nevada, in a 167 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 5: neighbor called Paradise Valley. My parents frequently visited Mel's Air 168 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 5: Force Base. My father was in the military and we 169 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 5: spend a lot of time there. And I believe that 170 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 5: Nathan was spurred on this encounter. But I do know 171 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 5: also there was a nuclear underground nuclear test in nineteen 172 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,839 Speaker 5: seventy one that they conducted there in Nevada around this 173 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 5: time as well, and that made I sud to do 174 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 5: it as well. But my mother father was the first 175 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 5: one to spot them. There were three, I would have 176 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 5: to say, ufoss floating over our backyard. There were only 177 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 5: about three hundred feet above a backyard. My mother came 178 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 5: in to wake me up because I was sleeping, and 179 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 5: it was three twenty in the morning, and remember that, 180 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 5: And I went out to the backyard and up there 181 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 5: they were, and they were quiet, they were silent. They 182 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 5: were not helicopters. They made no sounds. The lights each 183 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 5: each one of the vehicles had two had headlights, I 184 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 5: guess to say, on the front. And the interesting thing 185 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 5: is they glowed like your led lights. 186 00:11:58,920 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 7: That we have now. 187 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 5: And then suddenly because they were watching, I know they were, 188 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 5: and one of them came down, descended and came down, 189 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 5: and I would say maybe it was seventy five feet 190 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 5: now above our backyard, and it started to rock back 191 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 5: and forth, and it kind of like went up and 192 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 5: down like a boat looks like when it's on water. 193 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 7: You know. 194 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 5: It was doing that and rocking back and forth, and 195 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 5: I thought, oh my god, this is going to crash, 196 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 5: you know, and then they vanished. This gone just like that. 197 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 5: I mean, we know they So anyway, I don't want 198 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 5: to take up too much time because the second event, now, 199 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 5: oh yeah, I want to say that my mother had said. 200 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 7: I asked her if anything unusual had happened to her, 201 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 7: you know, when they were out there before she woke 202 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 7: me up, and she said no. When I said it sure, 203 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 7: nothing unusual, she did say that night she did have 204 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 7: a dream, a very vivid dream, floating through the house. 205 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 7: That ah, that might that might perhaps, you know, she 206 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 7: would that. I don't know, but. 207 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 5: That's that's that. I mean, there was more to that, actually, 208 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 5: but I wanted to get to what happened to me 209 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 5: just recently in May twice I did my own version 210 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:36,559 Speaker 5: of See five and I, you know, did it just 211 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 5: looking up into the sky and sending my intent out 212 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 5: there too, you know, if you're out there, you know, 213 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 5: please show you know, show me yourself seek nothing happened. 214 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 5: And then I said, A couple of days after that, 215 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 5: I wake up in the morning and on the back 216 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 5: of my calf there's scratched very you know, these scratch 217 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 5: marks on the back of my cab and I don't 218 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 5: sleep one. I know that there's no way I could 219 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 5: have had those scratches without myself knowing about. 220 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: Let me bring Bill in on this for a second. 221 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: Build like your cuts on your arm, his scratches. What 222 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 2: are they doing? What are these ET's doing? 223 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 3: So I think sometimes it's a it's a matter of 224 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: an incision, they're taking a sample, they're inserting something, it's surgical. 225 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: Other times it's a combination of the abductees struggling against 226 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 3: what's happening to them. Some of these impressions, some of 227 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: these cuts look like scratch like scratch marks like from fingernails, 228 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: or ruises on an arm or a leg that looked 229 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 3: like fingers, and it looks like the result of some 230 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: sort of physical struggle. Between the abductee and their captor 231 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 3: other times people have like these scratches on their feet 232 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: and their legs when they were physically walked out of 233 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: their home and they walked through some stuff like some 234 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: branches or through a bookish or whatever the case might be. 235 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: They don't they're not really aware of what's going on, 236 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: but they're barefoot and they're walking out in nature, and 237 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 3: they get these sort of marks on them from being 238 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 3: taken out to the ship or being brought back to 239 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 3: the ship. So it's a it's a combination. And the 240 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 3: things that really get me or when you see these 241 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 3: geometric patterns, because those are clearly not just scratches or bruises. 242 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 3: Those are very intentional and very eerie. 243 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: Charles in California, Charles would squeeze you in before the break? 244 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: Go ahead? 245 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 6: Oh okay, I don't know how did you squeeze in? Okay? 246 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 6: How about the the agency that Bill has for like 247 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 6: going back and forth. But the relationship is is really weighted. 248 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 6: I struggle with that too, and I'm wondering, you know, 249 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 6: how he deals with that. And since we're to break, 250 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 6: I'll just kind of there. Thank you, George, all Right? 251 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 2: Thoughts on that bill. 252 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 3: So so I'm assuming he's talking about the relationship I 253 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: have with the beings. I don't know if I would 254 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 3: think so, Okay, So with that, yeah, it's definitely weighted, 255 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 3: as you know, Jim Sparks definitely said, you know, everything 256 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: is that that happens is in their better interest. Even 257 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: the things they do to us that may seem kind 258 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 3: or favorable, it's all for their purposes. And so take 259 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 3: that for for what it is. Is you can benefit 260 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 3: from stuff if it benefits them, but really it's there 261 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 3: in the driver's seat. And yeah, they're they're they're the 262 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: senior partner in this relationship. 263 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 2: Since this has happened to you, do you have any regrets? 264 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 3: Regrets? No, there have been some relationships that I've had 265 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 3: with people that have gone sideways because of this phenomena. 266 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: But I can't apologize for what's happened to me or 267 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,880 Speaker 3: how I'm doing my best to get through it. Some 268 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 3: people have a real difficulty with this happening, and it's 269 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 3: a lot to ask of somebody. I understand. You know, 270 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 3: if you believe me, then that means that you have 271 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 3: to rearrange your whole paradigm of how the universe works 272 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: simply based upon a good story that somebody else has 273 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 3: with no direct evidence. So I understand it's tough. I 274 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 3: understand it's tough to believe this sort of thing if 275 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 3: it hasn't happened to you. 276 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,440 Speaker 1: Listen to more Coast to Coast Am every weeknight at 277 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: one a m. Eastern and go to Coast to coastam 278 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: dot com for more