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Speaker 1: Man. Yes, let's go man, let's go. Man, don't know,
Speaker 1: they don't know. They don't have nigga trenches, trenches.
Speaker 4: Nig like like y'all what y'all had when I when
Speaker 4: I first met you at noon time, it wasn't a trench,
Speaker 4: but it was trench mentality, trench mentality one hundred. It
Speaker 4: was sun up, sundown, getting here.
Speaker 3: And get to it. Made the best man win.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 3: I walked in there like that's how you get cracking. Oh,
Speaker 3: these niggas is monstros That's.
Speaker 1: How that's how we that's how we made it happen.
Speaker 1: That's how that's what we did.
Speaker 3: Teddy, Bishop.
Speaker 4: Jazzy Faye, Brian Michael Brian Michael Cox, Jada Dent, Donnie Skants,
Speaker 4: that was it, John Tea Austin, Yes, the Twins, Yeah, Jagged, Yeah,
Speaker 4: nigga only they're like, what the fuck is going every room?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell I'm gonna tell y'all some ship real quick.
Speaker 1: And I was at a party. I was at Sal's
Speaker 1: house the weekend, the weekends manager, and Mike Karen walks
Speaker 1: over to me and he says, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: something I never told anybody. He was like, I patterned
Speaker 1: my whole company afternoon time, he said, when I came
Speaker 1: down to Atlanta and saw what y'all had, and how
Speaker 1: y'all had those producers in each room, and them niggas
Speaker 1: was always competing against each other because they leave their
Speaker 1: doors open. So if Jazzy's in there making the beat,
Speaker 1: Teddy hit at me like, oh ship, nigg I gotta
Speaker 1: make it. I gotta make a fire beating Jade up here.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And that's how, that's how
Speaker 1: the competitive spirit with between all of them made them
Speaker 1: better than you know, Iron Shopping's iron. So they was
Speaker 1: all competing against each other and they knew people we
Speaker 1: I mean dude, you gotta understand not want every artist
Speaker 1: R and B artists came through, came to noontime, absolutely
Speaker 1: came through time. You had to come through that. You
Speaker 1: had to come through there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that was it, man, it was And and you
Speaker 1: came through there, you saw it. Mike came through there,
Speaker 1: he saw it, and it was just like yo. And
Speaker 1: the good thing about us was we weren't never wanted
Speaker 1: to be in front of the camera, so we were
Speaker 1: we were always in the back and we were doing
Speaker 1: the business part aspect of it. So a lot of times,
Speaker 1: you know, like the Puffs and the JDS, and they
Speaker 1: were in front of the camera. So it's different that
Speaker 1: when you when you and those kind of camps. So
Speaker 1: when you were in the camp, niggas just handling your business.
Speaker 1: So we just handled the business and that was it.
Speaker 1: And they appreciated it because we weren't trying to take
Speaker 1: their shine. We let them do their thing, the producers,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that was it. That's
Speaker 1: why it weren't for how however long it worked. That's
Speaker 1: why it worked.
Speaker 3: It was good competition too.
Speaker 1: Competition.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like a hateful competition.
Speaker 6: What was the setup of now time as far as
Speaker 6: just the partners in it?
Speaker 3: Who were the people? I mean, you know for people
Speaker 3: who So.
Speaker 1: Let me give you the backstory on that. So I'm
Speaker 1: born and raised in DC. My partners Chris and Ryan,
Speaker 1: they from Oakland, right, so they came down. They were
Speaker 1: going to school at Howard HM from from Oakland, so
Speaker 1: they came to d C. So this is this is
Speaker 1: this is a crazy story. So the reason how we
Speaker 1: really hooked up was because Chris has some cousins out
Speaker 1: here that was heavy in the game, like deep deep
Speaker 1: in the game, and we can uh, my mom lived
Speaker 1: in Oakland. My mom lived in Oakland, Nolan Parks Ship
Speaker 1: you know, yeah gas station, yeah right there, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: So I used to come out to Oakland all the time.
Speaker 3: But you didn't know them at this point. No.
Speaker 1: I knew Chris. I knew I knew Chris. My mom
Speaker 1: and Chris's mom were like friends. So I've known Chris
Speaker 1: my whole life. So one day, you know, I was
Speaker 1: and it's it's crazy. My mom was like, you need
Speaker 1: to meet Chris's cousins, his cousins, and in LA I
Speaker 1: was like okay, So I met I hadn't seen Christ
Speaker 1: in years, went up to his high school, said Chris,
Speaker 1: I need to meet your cousins in Oakland. Man. Somebody
Speaker 1: told me I need to meet them. So I went
Speaker 1: to went to go meet them, went to go talk
Speaker 1: to Chris and in the school and they was like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we'll we'll connect with you. Make sure you
Speaker 1: take care of Chris when he comes up to d
Speaker 1: c embrace him, put him, put him under your wing.
Speaker 1: I was like, no problem. So Chris came, Ryan was
Speaker 1: Ryan King came up there. So we started this this company,
Speaker 1: a booking agency. So during that time too short, Luke juvenile,
Speaker 1: not but he was juvenile, but the trick daddy. So
Speaker 1: we used to book shows at the College at Howard
Speaker 1: for for for you know, going around the city booking
Speaker 1: these shows with these with these artists. So we started
Speaker 1: this company. It was called Ivory Coast. It was me
Speaker 1: and Chris and Ryan. So we did these shows and
Speaker 1: then Cassine went to Howard. It was like, yo, you
Speaker 1: guys need to come down to Cassin reed. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: went to Howard. He was like, you guys need to
Speaker 1: come down to this thing in Atlanta. Called Freaknick. It
Speaker 1: was like Freaknick. Fuck is that? What is that? So
Speaker 1: so we said, all right, So we did this show
Speaker 1: and Atlanta. I mean, dog we had I mean we
Speaker 1: had the big This was actually the biggest show in
Speaker 1: the history of Freak Nick. We had too short Luke
Speaker 1: outcasts before our casts even came out. Uh, what's the
Speaker 1: other groups? It was a bunch of groups. I have
Speaker 1: the flyer, show it to you. But we did this
Speaker 1: show and we made we made. We made a good
Speaker 1: amount of money. Right. So Nooney was already in Atlanta
Speaker 1: because he grew up in Oakland too. You know, he
Speaker 1: grew up in Oakland too. He was already in Atlanta
Speaker 1: trying to do some music things. So when we got
Speaker 1: to Atlanta, I'm like, Yo, this ship is sexy. Like
Speaker 1: you you black, you can move around to police, don't
Speaker 1: pull you over. I'm like this, saint, how we function
Speaker 1: in DC? Like nigga, you got a nice car, nigga.
Speaker 1: That said, So we moved down. We moved down to
Speaker 1: Atlanta and we're here. Yeah. See, but when we came
Speaker 1: down there, niggas was already getting money in DC like
Speaker 1: heavy Like niggas an' sayd how heavy. I wasn't any
Speaker 1: game like it. Yes, So when we moved to Atlanta,
Speaker 1: we already had. When I moved to Atlanta, let me
Speaker 1: tell you, I had a brand new the eight fifties
Speaker 1: before anybody had. I had a Black One. I had
Speaker 1: a three hundred z X Turbo. I had a McLaren. Listen,
Speaker 1: I had a McLaren and I had the brand new
Speaker 1: SEC four hundred. Remember the joints, the convertible joints, the
Speaker 1: lexus when they came out. I had. I had all
Speaker 1: of that. You shipped all that to Atlanta. Ship all
Speaker 1: of that to Atlanta, right, Chris had the range rover
Speaker 1: Ryan had. I think Ryan had a range Rover. So
Speaker 1: when we get down there, niggas was like, who is niggas?
Speaker 1: These niggas ain't playing no ball, they ain't they ain't
Speaker 1: no artists, Like, who is these niggas like? So that
Speaker 1: kind of attracted all of the the Jazzy's and the
Speaker 1: Brian's and the Teddies too to what we were doing
Speaker 1: because we weren't. We weren't we weren't. We weren't in
Speaker 1: the you know, we weren't in the game like that.
Speaker 1: As far as as far as artists and you know,
Speaker 1: being that ballplayer or you know that kind of that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. So we just set up shop. We
Speaker 1: set up shop. We figured out how to do it,
Speaker 1: and the reason why we really got put on where
Speaker 1: we really what really set us off was how we
Speaker 1: parlayed the play. So what happened with that was we
Speaker 1: had a group called Absolutely. I don't even remember, y'all remember.
Speaker 3: Don't tell me, don't don't do that, don't act like that.
Speaker 1: We had a group called Absolute, so we remember Absolute.
Speaker 1: That was our first group we had. So we were
Speaker 1: trying to shop Absolute. We were shopping them to the
Speaker 1: labels and Puff Puff. Kevin Wells, my Man Wells took
Speaker 1: us to Puff and we he Puff loved the group.
Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, I want to sign him, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, let's go. So we was like, fuck, bro,
Speaker 1: we don't want, we want. We're trying to be were
Speaker 1: trying to be our own back. Yah, fucking what you come.
Speaker 1: So we took them. We did it. We had another
Speaker 1: deal on the table with with le or Death Jam,
Speaker 1: so he was like, we're gonna go to death. Tina Davis, Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah girl. She signed and she was like I love
Speaker 1: this group. Let's signed the group. So we said, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do it. So we said we're gonna take the
Speaker 1: group to Death Jam, and we took the group to
Speaker 1: Death Jam. But Puff kind of got he was a
Speaker 1: little salty about it because we didn't bring the group
Speaker 1: over him. So he was like, yo, who the fuck
Speaker 1: is who produced the records? Like who are the producers
Speaker 1: on the records? And we was like it was at
Speaker 1: that time it was just Jade up and Death had
Speaker 1: produced the records on Absolute and Teddy too. So he
Speaker 1: was like, man, let me, let me, let me sign
Speaker 1: and then let me sign the producers. We was like,
Speaker 1: all right. So what we did was we said, listen,
Speaker 1: we're gonna let him sign the producers, but every time
Speaker 1: it has to say read produced by Bad Boy Slash Noontime, right.
Speaker 3: Because at this point, Nooney is part of Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we came together. Yeah, we came together. We
Speaker 1: all came together. We knew he he originally had the
Speaker 1: name Noontime.
Speaker 4: Okay, y'all meet, if we can back if we can
Speaker 4: back track for once, you and you and Nooney, you
Speaker 4: already you, Chris.
Speaker 1: Me and Chris already already. But then when we came
Speaker 1: to freak. Nick knew he was already in Atlanta, he
Speaker 1: was already moved there. He was the first one to
Speaker 1: move there. So we came down. He had he was
Speaker 1: trying to do music. He was doing his music thing.
Speaker 1: So we just when we came down, we was like, yo,
Speaker 1: we know a lot of people. Let's just start. Let's
Speaker 1: just do the record label together. So we all we all,
Speaker 1: all four of us came together. So Nooney had money.
Speaker 1: He was getting money in the streets. He had money.
Speaker 1: We had money, so we just put it together. We
Speaker 1: bought a building. You remember that we bought a building.
Speaker 1: We bought the little thing was on Walker Street and
Speaker 1: then we moved to We paid let me tell you something,
Speaker 1: you know King Cloud, right, that's what you probably came
Speaker 1: King Plod was the was the building that we bought.
Speaker 1: We paid three fifty.
Speaker 3: Four on the railroad track.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay, that's the one you came to. But
Speaker 1: we had one, we had one before that was on
Speaker 1: Walker Street and when he came to was the one
Speaker 1: we bought. We paid three fifty four for a building,
Speaker 1: a building, ten thousand square foot building, ten thousand square
Speaker 1: foot building on King like this is plant prime real
Speaker 1: estate right now in Atlanta. That's how much the building
Speaker 1: is working now, three million, three million. They going for
Speaker 1: three million over there's prime real estate three fifty and
Speaker 1: we sold it. We sold it with.
Speaker 3: Yeah whatever whatever.
Speaker 1: So Puff wants to producers, so we said, long as
Speaker 1: it is produced by Bad Boy slash Noontime. I mean yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: bad Boy slash New Time. So in that run we
Speaker 1: were on everything. Jada Up and Den were on all
Speaker 1: the stuff over a bad Boy, the Faiths, Biggie Mace,
Speaker 1: all those records, all those records, and it was Jada
Speaker 1: Up produced by Bad Boy Noontime. So people started noticing,
Speaker 1: like who the fuck is these noontime niggas? Like where
Speaker 1: they come from? So I'll tell you a funny story.
Speaker 1: So we had we can't meet. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: this story. Me and Shakira came out here to start
Speaker 1: Noontime West. Okay, So Shakira was a part of Noontime
Speaker 1: in the beginning as well.
Speaker 6: I didn't know that, like he was. I don't know
Speaker 6: how involved he was, but he was supposed to be
Speaker 6: the fifth fifth guy.
Speaker 1: Him and Neony. I don't know what happened they whatever,
Speaker 1: something happened. I don't know the dynamic that happened between them,
Speaker 1: but something happened Shaki. We didn't, we didn't become a part,
Speaker 1: but me and him came out here at to start
Speaker 1: Noontoime West. So we were just going off to all
Speaker 1: the labels.
Speaker 6: Yeah Young, remember Yah yab Young and.
Speaker 1: We went to Yeah. Erica Grayson was over a Sony
Speaker 1: music publisher, right remember her. So Erica was one of
Speaker 1: the first people out here to embrace us. So she
Speaker 1: so we did a deal, and this is we did.
Speaker 1: Jada didn't have not one record out. He did a
Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars publishing deal with no records,
Speaker 1: zero records out. All she had was the shit that
Speaker 1: was coming out. No, this ship that was supposed to
Speaker 1: be coming out on bad Boy.
Speaker 7: That was it.
Speaker 1: This is coming out on bad Boy. Seven hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars publishing deal with no records in the marketplace.
Speaker 1: And then goes and does Survivor and gets he gets Shape,
Speaker 1: gave him a five hundred thousand dollars publis publishing deal.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I was just getting money off of one record.
Speaker 1: So yeah, So then b Cox comes, Jazzy comes, you know,
Speaker 1: what I mean. This is after j and Dent, but
Speaker 1: Jazzy comes, b Cox comes, and b Cox's story is
Speaker 1: crazy like he he used to he came. He was
Speaker 1: coming as like an engineer, like you know most producers coming.
Speaker 1: He came in as an engineer. Think it's passing out.
Speaker 1: We were passing our flyers on the clock Atlanta campus
Speaker 1: and niggas like we was looking for engineers. So b
Speaker 1: Cox came and he used to come over there engineer.
Speaker 1: So I one day you know how you were in
Speaker 1: a student remember late late at night and Jay you
Speaker 1: remember this too, Like you would be in the studio
Speaker 1: and NIGGASO just be sitting around kicking and talking and talking.
Speaker 1: And this is the time we had dat's So b
Speaker 1: Cox was real slick. So he would just put his
Speaker 1: dats in while we're sitting around talking. Yo. That ship
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, I produce Okay, ship sounds good. And that's
Speaker 1: how he got to be, you know, came on as
Speaker 1: a producer. Yeah, just being in the studio he wasn't
Speaker 1: you know. And then Jazzy came on and Jazz you
Speaker 1: know how flamboyant Jackue he was.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, he's a physical so him
Speaker 6: and noone he had a relationship, and then that's how
Speaker 6: that develops.
Speaker 1: Nestles they all came in.
Speaker 3: How was it set up though? Okay, so because you're
Speaker 3: saying y'all signed them two other entities though, right, Like
Speaker 3: you what did you share in man?
Speaker 6: Yeah, we had the we owned the publishing Okay, well
Speaker 6: you got that a publishing company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we got over.
Speaker 6: And you and you managed nine hundred copyrights and you
Speaker 6: managed them as producers.
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, and.
Speaker 1: We managed them as producers. So the same thing with
Speaker 1: JD we did with b Cos Okay, same thing we
Speaker 1: did with Puff we did would be.
Speaker 3: I was there when y'all did that, and.
Speaker 1: You know how that developed was because somehow, I don't
Speaker 1: know remember Jagged Edge, right, So b Cox started working
Speaker 1: with them after nobody really wanted was really messing with
Speaker 1: jacket Is. So they came up with these incredible records
Speaker 1: and j D heard him and was like, oh this
Speaker 1: ship is he's as fire. And that's how b Cox
Speaker 1: got on with the Jacket Edge. That's what put him
Speaker 1: on on the map with some jacket Is because they
Speaker 1: was working together.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I used to go over there with him and
Speaker 4: he used to first go over there with them with
Speaker 4: uh with Jacket Elk and Jacket Edge.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So they used to be over there working of course
Speaker 3: at New Time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, and it will be it would be be
Speaker 4: Cox Beats or whatever that they actually wrote a song
Speaker 4: for me that's not really how I see you. Not
Speaker 4: cool with them, yes, And then they were like, we're
Speaker 4: going over to j D's and I was like, Jermaine
Speaker 4: the pre JD. Yeah, it's like yeah. I was like
Speaker 4: I want to go. So Donny was like, yeah, let's go.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 4: Donnie's CAAs, let's go. And I was like, cool, let's go.
Speaker 4: We go over to the studio and that's where I'm
Speaker 4: seeing b Cox and j D kind of developed.
Speaker 3: And I'm watching him.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't want to say specifically that he
Speaker 4: coached be Cox into DJing, but that's where I first
Speaker 4: saw b Cox getting behind the turntables, that's probably and
Speaker 4: learning how to DJ.
Speaker 1: That's probably.
Speaker 3: That's probably, know what I'm saying. Yes, And I was like,
Speaker 3: what are you doing?
Speaker 4: He said, yeah, you know, JD DJ, I got to
Speaker 4: learn how to DJ. And I was like, oh, okay, Ship,
Speaker 4: I'm in there just watching this nigga funk up the
Speaker 4: DJ equipment.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, all right, niggas, don't go with that record.
Speaker 3: That's that's where.
Speaker 1: He yeah, that's where he prove round.
Speaker 4: And then Jacket is like, yeah, nigga we hoop. I
Speaker 4: was like, Nigga, I don't hoop and nigga we do hoop.
Speaker 4: And I was like, well, let's go hoop. And there
Speaker 4: was a nigga j got a gym. I was like,
Speaker 4: gym a little bat.
Speaker 3: Right down the hallway. I was like, down the hallway.
Speaker 3: Get it showed. This time I was at that studio.
Speaker 3: This niggas has oh this is everything.
Speaker 1: Is park Nigga.
Speaker 3: It was niggas so crazy. You know, when we bring
Speaker 3: him on the go, they gotta validated this is it's
Speaker 3: real or not? Tank?
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean Tank been dunking for you.
Speaker 3: Like the fifth grade nigga was flying.
Speaker 1: I didn't think you because I couldn't think you can.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever did. I didn't think I ever did. I've
Speaker 1: seen the nigga. We played one day and I said,
Speaker 1: this niggas jumping out of the gym doing all these
Speaker 1: crazy I you.
Speaker 6: Know, the nigga will dunk off Burt nah, I ain't
Speaker 6: no way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that all was pivotal, yeah for me, all of that, and.
Speaker 1: Pivotal for us too, because that's how LaToya came in
Speaker 1: to play, because you know, she was dating one of
Speaker 1: the guys, okay, and that's how we met. That's how
Speaker 1: Toya came to us. It was from that, From that, that.
Speaker 4: Relationship, it's I got I got so many questions. I mean,
Speaker 4: I know you too, you my friends, but it's still like,
Speaker 4: I got so many questions, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: because getting into the inner workings of like your business
Speaker 4: is a different type of conversation, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Because there comes a point where for us outside looking
Speaker 4: in noontime is it right? Noon time is a real
Speaker 4: one stop shot where you can get.
Speaker 1: Your good And that's what that's that's what we were,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And and then there comes a point in time where
Speaker 4: it's not anymore. It dissolves and and the bosses are
Speaker 4: kind of going in different directions.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: And what is.
Speaker 4: If if not too much too much into it, how
Speaker 4: does how does that happen?
Speaker 1: Because you know the downfall of black men. Ro it's
Speaker 1: two things that that kill us. It's our egos and
Speaker 1: we don't share resources.
Speaker 3: Mhm.
Speaker 1: So it was egos. It was egos. It was it
Speaker 1: was it was the egos man, like you know, and
Speaker 1: and that that was our downfall and had we had
Speaker 1: we stuck it out and like you said, like you said,
Speaker 1: all other people people admire what we did, like they
Speaker 1: like this, that nobody did it like that and in
Speaker 1: that fashion. And yeah, it was the egos man. It
Speaker 1: was just egos.
Speaker 4: It became like the it became a model. It was
Speaker 4: a it was a we need somebody.
Speaker 1: Had producers at one studio this studio, that studio, that studio,
Speaker 1: and you know puff did with gar of our guys,
Speaker 1: but they weren't I don't, I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: how that he had. I think he had like one
Speaker 1: or two rooms maybe, and Daddy House we had.
Speaker 3: Four or five rooms, so continuously.
Speaker 1: Going, continuously going with the producers had their own room.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We built the rooms specifically
Speaker 1: for them to have their own rooms.
Speaker 4: It's because I watched you all individually. I watched the
Speaker 4: things that you all have have have moved into and
Speaker 4: accomplished individually, and I'm thinking about all of that being
Speaker 4: under one run Jesus.
Speaker 1: And it's not like the amount of executives that we
Speaker 1: that we that we put out, like Jaha used to
Speaker 1: work for us, Secure used to work April used to
Speaker 1: work for us. Wow, Seante Page used to work for us.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean? All came through noon time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they all came through.
Speaker 3: How long did you guys have the company?
Speaker 1: We started two thousand now, nineteen ninety probably ninety seven,
Speaker 1: because we moved ninety seven to about I would say
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven late about ten years, yeah, about
Speaker 1: ten And then Nooney and Jazzy started showing up, which
Speaker 1: was yeah, which was Sierra and yeah Sierra. What was
Speaker 1: the other group they had Cherish?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Cherishes with the sisters tw Yeah they were
Speaker 6: yeah yeah wait so because that was what I was
Speaker 6: going to ask you about noontime.
Speaker 3: So you have all these producers Polo was a part
Speaker 3: of about to say, yeah, Polo absolute.
Speaker 1: Same as him, nobody really respect Yes, he was in
Speaker 1: a group.
Speaker 3: Called Jim's in Jim Crow. He was in Jim Crow.
Speaker 6: We got to deal with Jimmy Ivan and and DJ
Speaker 6: and that was a noon time DJ.
Speaker 1: Yes, DJ was just coming out of he was in
Speaker 1: college in Boston College. He was in Boston College. We
Speaker 1: met up there with Jimmy. DJ brought us to meet
Speaker 1: with Jimmy to sign jim Crow right, and Jimmy was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: hey guys, I love this group. This group is fantastic.
Speaker 1: We're going to sign them, but I want you to
Speaker 1: listen to something. Can you please take a listen to
Speaker 1: something and tell me what you think.
Speaker 3: Always want you to listen, Always want you to.
Speaker 1: Said, he said, take a listen to something. Hi, my
Speaker 1: name is. Hi, my name is. He was like, guys,
Speaker 1: what do you think about this guy?
Speaker 3: Like who is that?
Speaker 1: He was like, this kid was about to sign eminem
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I mean the record was it was.
Speaker 1: It was a record. You can hear that from the beginning.
Speaker 1: As soon as you heard that record, you know.
Speaker 3: What that was.
Speaker 1: And uh yeah, so he signed, So he signed the group.
Speaker 1: Polo was a part of that group. But Polo was like,
Speaker 1: you like, nobody like he used to produce, but nobody
Speaker 1: we wouldn't take him seriously, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But Polo was a really fucking dope producer, saying super.
Speaker 6: Dumb, because that's what I was going to ask as
Speaker 6: far as like the transition of having.
Speaker 3: All these producers, when did the artist come?
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, because obviously that is that
Speaker 6: is the pivot, right that you have the you got
Speaker 6: the music, you got.
Speaker 1: The people don't know this, but we was. We signed
Speaker 1: to Shanty when she was sixteen.
Speaker 3: Ship.
Speaker 1: Yes, Ashanti was signing the noon time. Yes, Kendall Mintor,
Speaker 1: you remember Kendall Mentor, the attorney Kendall Mentor was introduced
Speaker 1: us to her. We signed her, did a bunch of
Speaker 1: crazy that. Yeah, we did a bunch of crazy records
Speaker 1: on her, and then we got we got our first deal.
Speaker 1: We got our first deal with Sony uh Ron uh Ron,
Speaker 1: what's his name, Dave Sweeney? You know remember day day
Speaker 1: Sweeney was over there? Ron what was that? No, not
Speaker 1: Ron Gillyard attorney, He was an attorney, but he ran Sony.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so we shined Ashanti and we did all
Speaker 1: of these like huge, big record I mean, like really
Speaker 1: dope records, and we went over to Sony and Dave
Speaker 1: McPherson was like, I don't know about her. We was
Speaker 1: like really, so when I tell you this other name,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, damn, I forgot about that, remember.
Speaker 1: Of course, So we had a female rapper, right, so
Speaker 1: they was like, we like her, y'all need to put
Speaker 1: all your money behind her. Let's put let's put the
Speaker 1: bag behind her. And that's what they did. They we
Speaker 1: had trick Daddy, we had Juvenile, we had jar Rule.
Speaker 1: Went to go pay jay Z five hundred thousand dollars cash,
Speaker 1: we'll get on her record. Yes, yes, on cha's record
Speaker 1: cash cash you no, No, I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1: He was going to do it. He wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you he wanted to do it. But
Speaker 1: when I tell you, she had absolutely everybody who was
Speaker 1: hot at that time on her record. And Sony was like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is the artist. We want to get behind it.
Speaker 1: We we you know, we knew in the game. We
Speaker 1: just this is our first role. Were just like, fuck it, man,
Speaker 1: y'all gonna put the money behind her. So what happened
Speaker 1: was Ashanti we still had her sign and you know
Speaker 1: how you know how artists you feel like you're not
Speaker 1: paying attention to yes man, and let me out yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so and I remember this like like like yesterday. So
Speaker 1: the straw with the shanty was she had got into
Speaker 1: a car accident right down in Atlanta, and they were
Speaker 1: her and her mom were calling the guys down in
Speaker 1: Atlanta about about you know, trying to get her help
Speaker 1: or helping her out or whatever, trying to you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I guess they didn't nobody return
Speaker 1: the calls of you know, talk to the mom or whatever.
Speaker 1: So they called I was out here and now like
Speaker 1: I had already like relocated out here. They called me
Speaker 1: and they were like, Terry, Ashanti's just got into an accident.
Speaker 1: She's crying, she's upset. You guys, you guys are not
Speaker 1: You're not You're not doing right by her. We want
Speaker 1: to get out of the contract. So talk to the guys.
Speaker 1: We had a meeting about it. Talk to the guys.
Speaker 1: We had a meeting and we were just like, yo,
Speaker 1: we're just going We just hated to let her go,
Speaker 1: and we let her go and her picked her up history,
Speaker 1: but we had her signed to sixteen.
Speaker 4: Absolute absolutely crow Ashanti. Yeah, Sierra, Sierra.
Speaker 6: Oh, he got another guy, he got another like hiding Jim.
Speaker 1: I got that.
Speaker 4: That didn't turn out to be an artist. Who tell
Speaker 4: us about the groups you signed? Oh they got they
Speaker 4: got a certain famous, super famous actor in it.
Speaker 1: Oh so so the first group. So the first group
Speaker 1: I signed. This is a crazy story too. The first
Speaker 1: group I signed was this group group called Quatro Quatro.
Speaker 1: Everybody out of DC group qua Quatro. I didn't know
Speaker 1: anything about music, dang. I just know growing up I
Speaker 1: love music. My grandmother used to play the records and
Speaker 1: I just to listen to him. I just love R
Speaker 1: and B. So I just I always wanted to be so,
Speaker 1: you know, doing the street shit I was doing. I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I want to be an entrepreneur. I
Speaker 1: don't want to be. I don't want to be. You
Speaker 1: can't do wrong, fab, It's not gonna happen. So you
Speaker 1: told you this, old you to have king Pin dreams.
Speaker 3: No doing this to get to something.
Speaker 1: I'm doing this to get to something because the old
Speaker 1: man told me. One time I sat down with him,
Speaker 1: so dude, hustling dude. He was like, yo, bro, let
Speaker 1: me tell you something. You ever heard the law of averages?
Speaker 1: And I was like, what is that? He was like,
Speaker 1: a lot of averages. Mean, at some point, at some time,
Speaker 1: something's going to catch up to you. It's called a
Speaker 1: lot of averages. Can you do something enough, it's going
Speaker 1: to catch it. And he said, you can't. You can't.
Speaker 1: You have to have a mentality. You have a hustle's mentality,
Speaker 1: but you got to channel that in another in another way.
Speaker 1: So that's what I was doing. So that's how we
Speaker 1: started the music. And then you know, once the new
Speaker 1: music executive, the new drug dealer was the new music.
Speaker 1: The new music exactly became the new that was a
Speaker 1: sexy You was sexy if you was you had the music.
Speaker 1: He was doing music. So that's what that's what I did.
Speaker 1: So I had this. I started. I was like, y'all,
Speaker 1: I want to do something. Man let me put so
Speaker 1: schante page. I never knew. I didn't anything about studio,
Speaker 1: never been to a studio, never been anywhere. She's like,
Speaker 1: I got this group. She's like, Terry. She called me
Speaker 1: one day and was like, YO, you got all this money.
Speaker 1: What are you doing with it? And I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Shante. She was like, she's like, why
Speaker 1: don't you help me manage this group? Why don't you
Speaker 1: pay for some of this stuff and help me manage
Speaker 1: this group. I was like, all right, so we go manager.
Speaker 1: I started managing the group with her, started, you know,
Speaker 1: buying records, sold my first record, first time I ever
Speaker 1: went to a studio. Ever. I go into the studio,
Speaker 1: chante WeGo. I'm like, damn this shit sixty like this
Speaker 1: is this is a vibe right now, this is a
Speaker 1: hell of a vibe studio music. And we go get
Speaker 1: a beat from this producer. Two hundred and fifty dollars
Speaker 1: for the beat. Guess who the producer was, Checkie Thompson.
Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of his Nigga bought.
Speaker 6: A Checkie Thompson beat for two hundred and fifty fucking dollars.
Speaker 3: No way, I.
Speaker 1: Swear to god, two hundred and fifty dollars. Two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty dollars. So going back to what he says,
Speaker 1: one of the dudes in the group was Michael Eeley.
Speaker 4: Get the fuck out here about get the fuck out
Speaker 4: of here, Michael.
Speaker 1: I'll show you the picture.
Speaker 3: Michael, we need you on the crib.
Speaker 1: Hold on.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what you'd be saying.
Speaker 1: Can I show the table?
Speaker 3: Blue eyes?
Speaker 1: He got the kid.
Speaker 3: Nigga said, he.
Speaker 1: Who is that?
Speaker 4: Who's that in that picture. That was my first group nigga.
Speaker 4: That is crazy.
Speaker 3: That's crazy. That's crazy.
Speaker 1: So did you were you able to get them moving
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 3: I didn't nothing.
Speaker 1: We actually actually kind disorder, kind disorder, you know who
Speaker 1: we fuck with? What's the dude they used to manage
Speaker 1: Teddy Teddy? Uh? Yes, okay, we was gonna sign him
Speaker 1: to Jane Griffy with some backdoor deal. I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I you know, I didn't have no clue what the
Speaker 1: contract looked like.
Speaker 3: It was ugly.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be ugly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So j Griffy because he lived in DC, he lived
Speaker 1: actually lived up the street. He know, he was actually
Speaker 1: messing with this chick that lived up the street the
Speaker 1: neighborhood I grew up in, and I used to see
Speaker 1: this red this range rover and like in the neighbor
Speaker 1: I'm like, who is this thing? Who's who is this dude?
Speaker 1: And then Shauntey told me she was like, yeah, Dan
Speaker 1: Dream Griffy, he's being being back and forth in DC.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we were, we were going to do a
Speaker 1: situation with him.
Speaker 3: He used to be messing with Cliff and Jerry and
Speaker 3: him out.
Speaker 1: There yes, that was your first That was my first
Speaker 1: interest interest in music, music business?
Speaker 3: How old are you at this point?
Speaker 1: I was probably like this was it probably like twenty three,
Speaker 1: twenty four.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so by this time you're like, listen, I'm the
Speaker 6: money's going somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's going somewhere else. I can't know because I've
Speaker 1: seen so many people locked up there, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Like I had to, I had that
Speaker 1: wherewithal to know that you can't you can't keep doing
Speaker 1: this because it's going to lead to something crazy.
Speaker 3: And how long were you in.
Speaker 6: It before you guys leave to Atlanta? Like so you
Speaker 6: had already been trying to figure the music thing out.
Speaker 1: I had a video store, opened up, a video store.
Speaker 1: Tank did I have a lot? I had a video store.
Speaker 1: I had a carrier service, and then you know it
Speaker 1: was a crazy I had a video store.
Speaker 4: I bought a video So you mean video store videos.
Speaker 1: Like Blockbuster the corner. Blockbuster had a corner block List
Speaker 1: on ninth streak ninth and uh was it s ninth
Speaker 1: and s get the.
Speaker 3: Out of yo was getting money?
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, so listen, let me tell you some crazy.
Speaker 1: So I had a video store so they had a
Speaker 1: base spend in the video store. Right, I had never
Speaker 1: I bought the store, never been down in the basement
Speaker 1: in the store.
Speaker 3: You never knew it had a basement.
Speaker 1: Never knew it had a basement. But guess what was
Speaker 1: in the basement All X rated videos. That's where they
Speaker 1: kept it. That's where the X rated ship was down
Speaker 1: in the basement. And I didn't even know it. So
Speaker 1: one of the employees that was working there said, Yo,
Speaker 1: do you know there's a downstairs and do you know
Speaker 1: what's down there? And I'm like, no, what is down there?
Speaker 1: She's like, extra, that's where the X rated videos are
Speaker 1: naked is? That's what the butt naked is.
Speaker 4: That's why I spent a lot of my time. I
Speaker 4: hate when I look back on myself back in the
Speaker 4: video store times and I st.
Speaker 1: To no, I snig.
Speaker 3: I just had to get up the nerve because there's
Speaker 3: too many people in here.
Speaker 4: Walk into the black door, because that that door was
Speaker 4: always a different color, and niggas knew when you walk
Speaker 4: back there, what you was going to do was going
Speaker 4: to get that and these people to serve myself so
Speaker 4: that you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying, they had Hey, that video store
Speaker 1: down the street. Oh yeah, that's a nice one.
Speaker 3: Man. How long you had a video store?
Speaker 1: Probably like nine months? Just trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure it out. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. I know, Like I said, I know,
Speaker 1: I can't keep doing this.
Speaker 3: I got to figure it out.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 6: How much money did you blow initially in the music
Speaker 6: business because people be thinking like, Okay, I'm gonna just
Speaker 6: take this money from overwherever, getting it from.
Speaker 3: From my income tax, and I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Be cracking a music in a week. You know what
Speaker 1: it was? It was it was kind of like the
Speaker 1: money that we did was we put the good use
Speaker 1: because we bought a building. We had a building. But
Speaker 1: even before that, the throw it was okay, it wasn't
Speaker 1: It wasn't that. It wasn't that much. I wasn't spending
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of mo like that on that. I
Speaker 1: was spending money on Goofy ship, but not that in
Speaker 1: the beginning, because I was just I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is cool. Like but you know, niggas
Speaker 1: was flying in Vegas and doing all the Goofy ship,
Speaker 1: buying the cars and all that ship that we do
Speaker 1: go to Vegas. You know, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: taking trips, broads, you know what I mean, not the.
Speaker 4: Don't you do it, don't do it, don't do it.
Speaker 4: We're all beautiful and we are the Lord made somebody
Speaker 4: for somebody at a certain level. Stop it, stop you stop,
Speaker 4: cut it out.
Speaker 7: Well yeah, so let me ask you a question.
Speaker 3: The history, because first of all, it's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I got another one though that nobody really knows about it.
Speaker 1: I signed her when she was thirteen, Tory Kelly.
Speaker 3: You signed her?
Speaker 1: Yes, I signed Tory Kelly. She was signed to my
Speaker 1: production company. What yes, thirteen and what was going on?
Speaker 1: So I signed her to geffin huge deal they gave.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you at this time they gave us.
Speaker 1: You know, back then people was getting thirteen fourteen points.
Speaker 1: I got a twenty eight point deal with Tory Kelly.
Speaker 1: Shit back then, Yeah, because back then it was thirteen
Speaker 1: fourteen points and twenty eight points twenty eight points. Got
Speaker 1: a consultant deal out of it. And you know who
Speaker 1: and you you probably remember her. You know who signed
Speaker 1: was Polyanthony. Yeah, yeah, Polyanthony Signeder was like, Terry, this
Speaker 1: is I've never heard.
Speaker 3: This before Jojo comes out?
Speaker 6: Or is it this is after right, we've seen the
Speaker 6: success yes of what Jojo is, Yes, cooking an R
Speaker 6: and B doing her thing, young girl.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's Jojo in a minute.
Speaker 3: Because Jojo came out in like two thousand and five, four, Yeah,
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, then it might have been. It might have been,
Speaker 1: it might have been. Yeah, well Toy was only thirteen.
Speaker 4: So y'all do so you signed her? Y'all do a
Speaker 4: major level deal the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, I did it that well, they gave me this.
Speaker 1: They gave like I said, they gave me a consultant deal.
Speaker 1: They gave us twenty eight points. And back then, you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, fourteen points, do you get that's for
Speaker 1: the artist and the fucking like production cartopped up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody got to chop that up. So I got twenty
Speaker 1: eight points and Polly was like, Terry, we're going to
Speaker 1: put the money behind this man. We love her. Guess
Speaker 1: what happened, You know what happens in the industry. Somebody
Speaker 1: knew comes in.
Speaker 3: Oh, the new new regime.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the new regimes.
Speaker 3: I used to hate that. That was that was the
Speaker 3: worst of the day. That's the worst thing I can
Speaker 3: have it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the new regime turnover was feeling the new regime
Speaker 1: a coach.
Speaker 3: It's a new coach.
Speaker 1: The new regime comes in. Guess who the new regime
Speaker 1: is Ron Fair?
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: And he said, hey, guess what. I don't want to
Speaker 1: drop her. Immediately they dropped her.
Speaker 7: He dropped it.
Speaker 3: Ron Fair dropped her.
Speaker 1: Dropped her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she that lines up with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he dropped her.
Speaker 3: Big voice. Oh yeah, he dropped her.
Speaker 1: Wow, he dropped her. So I'm in a dilemma now
Speaker 1: Ron Fair dropped her. Now I have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: go and get her another deal, because you know, you
Speaker 1: only got a certain time. They go get her another deal.
Speaker 1: So I'm searching to I'm not even searching to get
Speaker 1: another deal. Actually, somebody called me from MTV and they
Speaker 1: wanted to do this. Has been when MTV when they
Speaker 1: were doing the backstories on artists and they you know,
Speaker 1: they were doing these like reality things. They first started
Speaker 1: doing this kind of shows. They were like, Yo, we
Speaker 1: want to do we want to do we want to
Speaker 1: do a story on Toy. We want to follow her
Speaker 1: and her family and her journey and I'm like, yo, okay,
Speaker 1: now we can get some traction. So I said, all right,
Speaker 1: So I called her mom and dad and by this time,
Speaker 1: Toy was she was fifteen going on sixteen. And by
Speaker 1: this time I called her mom and I said, hey,
Speaker 1: I got these people from MTV. They want to fly
Speaker 1: out and talk to you guys, and what they want
Speaker 1: to do a show. They want to do a show
Speaker 1: on Toy called the Toy Diaries or something did something.
Speaker 1: It was really dope, right, and she they flew out,
Speaker 1: they met the parents and then after that, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Like are we going to do this?
Speaker 1: So the mom said to me, she was like, Terry,
Speaker 1: We're we have a dilimma. I'm like, what's the problem.
Speaker 1: She's like, Toy wants to Toy wants to do American Idol.
Speaker 1: She'll be sixteen. She can go on there. Now. I'm
Speaker 1: like what. I'm like, no, no, no, no, can't. I can't.
Speaker 1: And then I called my attorney and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: he was like, she signed to you. You know you
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to go get her another deal. So
Speaker 1: I contemplated and contemplated. Man and her mom, you know,
Speaker 1: she she was crying one day on the phone and
Speaker 1: she was just like, we don't know what to do.
Speaker 1: She really wants to be on American Idol, and they
Speaker 1: gave me this story. Like you know, she's been ever
Speaker 1: since she's been an artist, we've been giving her, we've
Speaker 1: been telling her what to do. Now that she's sixteen,
Speaker 1: she wants to do something that she wants to, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I remember this like it
Speaker 1: was yesterday. Man. I was. I was in DC, and
Speaker 1: she had she had she had went the idol. But
Speaker 1: once you go past a certain thing, that's when they started. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so she was I guess she had got past a
Speaker 1: certain thing. And the mom called me and was like, Terry,
Speaker 1: this is this is the last day that we can
Speaker 1: move forward being under your contract. And I'm driving in DC.
Speaker 1: I'm down on down in Chinatown and I'm driving and
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, man. I'm like, man, this girl is
Speaker 1: fucking amazing, Like she's incredible, Like you can't let her go.
Speaker 1: I was like, I contemplated, contemplating, and I drove and
Speaker 1: I said, I saw a fed AX. I pulled over
Speaker 1: and told her mom to faxed me the papers to
Speaker 1: the FED ax and I signed the release at the
Speaker 1: fed X in DC. Wow, and let her out. I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, it'll come back somehow, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. This is something she want to follow,
Speaker 1: her dreams. She want to be on American Night. And
Speaker 1: I told her, I was like that, like man who
Speaker 1: runs on I knowed the people that win, I don't really,
Speaker 1: like really really like a lot of them don't really
Speaker 1: do anything. There's only a couple of them that really
Speaker 1: really really made yeah, really take it. Then say you
Speaker 1: sure you wanted to be on idol? Well, this is
Speaker 1: you know, this is something she wants to do. So
Speaker 1: that was it, and I let her out and that
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 3: People don't know how many of those.
Speaker 6: How many of those situations that we all come around,
Speaker 6: are come across where we have to make human decisions
Speaker 6: of an artist is in front of you or signed
Speaker 6: to you, or whatever this case may be, when you're
Speaker 6: doing business and there's another opportunity for them that you
Speaker 6: don't want to stand in front of right that you
Speaker 6: want to give them that opportunity right to go. Because
Speaker 6: there are a lot of people in this business that
Speaker 6: would have said, oh, you signing me, I don't care yeah, okay,
Speaker 6: what level. And I was at that point, but you know,
Speaker 6: like I.
Speaker 1: Don't, I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't like the function like that. Like I don't
Speaker 6: like the function like that. And as I know, it's
Speaker 6: gonna come back to me. Absolutely it has and it has.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. And like we had LaToya
Speaker 1: like and the this was around the same time LaToya
Speaker 1: was was was taken off, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We got LaToya and I remember this too when we
Speaker 1: when we signed LaToya, we made her album out here.
Speaker 1: I don't even know you remember Molly of.
Speaker 3: Course I remember Molly after in the valley.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, you don't remember. I can't think of
Speaker 4: the name of that street studio. It's hung off the time.
Speaker 4: That's my studio, man. Yeahs.
Speaker 1: Molly was this little white girl. She had a studio, studio,
Speaker 1: fire studio upstairs, yeah, compound studio. Right. So that's what
Speaker 1: we recorded La Toya's album. We recorded the day we
Speaker 1: did Torn. We did it there, we did Torn, and
Speaker 1: we did it there and got Toyo Dalic Capital.
Speaker 3: You guys did Torn before you ever did the deal.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, yeah, okay, So what the Toya we
Speaker 1: was like listen, you gotta be so far from that's
Speaker 1: the child thing. Like you your ship gotta be you
Speaker 1: gotta be doing some ghetto ship like. Your ship gotta
Speaker 1: be straight, ghetto like damn near rat beats. So it
Speaker 1: won't be no confusion. You ain't trying to do this,
Speaker 1: You ain't trying to do that. This is what you're
Speaker 1: gonna do. And that's what we did. We like, that's
Speaker 1: that's a sample that that that torn right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So we made sure we did so
Speaker 1: R and B, so R and B so they won't
Speaker 1: be no confusion. And came out first week she had
Speaker 1: the number one self. She was numb one. Number one's
Speaker 1: the number one sevend when she sold three hundred thousand
Speaker 1: records her first week. Wow, her first week.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing though, because people had they had
Speaker 3: written her off. Yeah, they had.
Speaker 1: Written off right, completely written her off, completely written her off. Man.
Speaker 1: But that's why we like, you gotta be anti whatever
Speaker 1: they were. You gotta be totally different, totally different, totally different.
Speaker 1: That's the only way you're gonna win, because you're gonna
Speaker 1: have so much hate on you if you come out
Speaker 1: trying to be in the comparison.
Speaker 3: That's the conversation. Yes, is how good her music is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So we made it. We made it.
Speaker 1: Were just anti anti Destiny's Child. It worked, and it
Speaker 1: worked and it worked. Now I'll tell you another story.
Speaker 1: So I had Toya, I had Toy. This is all
Speaker 1: around the same time. So you know, I got another one.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting up in Capitol's office. Steve O Steve O.
Speaker 1: Pud was the an R. And you know how in
Speaker 1: the offices back then, people would send in CDs, and
Speaker 1: he had a box of CDs in his office.
Speaker 3: Right, she can't get to everything.
Speaker 1: You can't get to everything. It was a box of
Speaker 1: CDs and shit everywhere. So I'm looking in the box
Speaker 1: one day and I'm looking. I was like, wait, fuck it,
Speaker 1: help brod. It's gorgeous. I'm like, who if she can sing?
Speaker 1: I said wow. So I put the thing in and
Speaker 1: the songs were horrendous, bro terrible songs, terrible songs. And
Speaker 1: then one last song she did a cover, a Minie
Speaker 1: Rippleton cover, and I was like, oh, this bro can
Speaker 1: sing sing?
Speaker 6: Right, Leona Lewis no way, iWar to God, I swear
Speaker 6: to God.
Speaker 1: No lie. So Leona Lewis. So I look on the CD.
Speaker 1: I look on the call. The dude on the back.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, bro, like, is she's signing you like?
Speaker 1: He was like nah, man. She was like, you know,
Speaker 1: her dad comes over here. They come over here. They're
Speaker 1: just trying to they're trying to figure it out, and
Speaker 1: I'm just helping him out. She's not signing me, She's
Speaker 1: not signing anyone. I said, well, okay, I want to
Speaker 1: I want to bring her over here, right. So the
Speaker 1: dude says, okay, let me tell her dad. Her and
Speaker 1: her dad, and I was like, all right, waiting. Two
Speaker 1: days went by and I'm like, damn, this dude hadn't
Speaker 1: called me. So I called him. I was like, he's like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: I was just about to call you.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: Talked to her dad and her and they've heard about
Speaker 1: noon time and then all the stuff that all the
Speaker 1: success that you guys had.
Speaker 6: She's she wants to she wants to listen, she wants
Speaker 6: to have a conversation.
Speaker 1: So I said, okay, So I get her and her
Speaker 1: dad on the phone and I hear her sing on
Speaker 1: the phone. I was like, yo, you need to come.
Speaker 1: I need to bring you over here. Immediately, bring over here,
Speaker 1: me set up and uh, what's the studio that used
Speaker 1: to be on Sunset by cross from the mass Chinese
Speaker 1: stayed and all of that. It was a studio over there.
Speaker 1: Somebody had a studio over there. Me and b Cox.
Speaker 1: I brought be Cox, I brew blew bee Cox out
Speaker 1: here and we started working on her out working on
Speaker 1: her project. Did about four or five songs, and then
Speaker 1: she goes back to No first, let me go back.
Speaker 1: So when she's here. While she's here, I take her
Speaker 1: to poly Anthony to Jaha. Now Jaha had a deal
Speaker 1: over He was a an r at, he was an
Speaker 1: an ARTI gapper. He's the one who signed Toy. He
Speaker 1: signed Toy and I brought him Leona and he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I want to sign her too. Let's take her to Polly.
Speaker 1: So I take Leona up to Polly. She sings for
Speaker 1: and incredible voice, and Polly was just like, I don't
Speaker 1: think she's After the meetings, she was like, Terry, I
Speaker 1: like her, but I don't think she's a star. I
Speaker 1: want to concentrate on Toy, right. She was like, let's
Speaker 1: just do Toy. So I don't even think it was
Speaker 1: about her, like not really liking her, but I think
Speaker 1: she didn't want to have two girls to singing girls
Speaker 1: like that, even though Toy was thirteen and Leona was
Speaker 1: probably about eighteen or nineteen, so she probably didn't want
Speaker 1: to have two girls like that. So Leona went back
Speaker 1: over to Europe and Toya was taken off. Right now,
Speaker 1: I told I had a year to get Leona deal.
Speaker 1: Twelve months. I had a year to get over your
Speaker 1: holding period. That was my holding period in her contract.
Speaker 1: She had a year. So she goes back over to London,
Speaker 1: probably like a month or two goes by. I start
Speaker 1: getting the phone calls from the dad like, hey man,
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Like are we gonna you guys
Speaker 1: going to get us a deal? I was like, we'll do.
Speaker 1: It's only been two months, Like I got ten more months,
Speaker 1: Like so this is toy. Toy is taken off, like
Speaker 1: a record of Day already came out.
Speaker 3: So we do.
Speaker 1: Toya does this show. She gets booked for this show
Speaker 1: over and Europe called the Moboles. You heard of that.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's a warshow, It's like our
Speaker 1: soul train bet like BT. So we get booked over there.
Speaker 1: So I've called it dad. I'm like, yo, man, I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're on our way over there. I want to sit
Speaker 1: down with you guys and figure this out. I and't
Speaker 1: want to bring Lee on the back. Let's do this.
Speaker 1: So he was like, okay, yeah. It was like that's exciting.
Speaker 1: I was like, I wanted to invite you guys to
Speaker 1: the MOBOs. Right. I get over there, I go meet
Speaker 1: with the dad. We sit down, we talk. He's like,
Speaker 1: Leona is excited about going, she wants to go, She's
Speaker 1: going to go, pick.
Speaker 6: Out her outfit. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Next
Speaker 6: day comes, they don't show up. I'm like, what the
Speaker 6: fuck is going on?
Speaker 1: So come to find out she was doing X Factor
Speaker 1: over there. The American writer. Crazy, shit, she's doing X
Speaker 1: Factor right. So I get back and I hit the data.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, man, what was that shit about? Like, like,
Speaker 1: what's going on? He was like, oh man, you know
Speaker 1: you got you guys are taking too long. I said, well, listen, man,
Speaker 1: you got you got another seven months, six months on
Speaker 1: your contract. I want to bring her back over there,
Speaker 1: back back over here and finish her project. I want
Speaker 1: to get her a deal. I know I can get
Speaker 1: her a deal. And he was like all right. So
Speaker 1: I started getting these frantic phone calls like Yo, hey,
Speaker 1: what are we doing. We got to get out of
Speaker 1: this contract. I'm like, I'm like nah. I said, listen,
Speaker 1: what I will do is whatever she does over there
Speaker 1: until it comes back to America, then I have the
Speaker 1: rights for that when it comes back over to America.
Speaker 1: And he was like, okay, okay, let's let's figure that out.
Speaker 1: Let's work that out. So make a long story short,
Speaker 1: she was winning on X Factor. So the reason why
Speaker 1: she didn't go to the award show is because people
Speaker 1: would start recognizing.
Speaker 6: They would recognize her, but I didn't know what she
Speaker 6: was right, so they would recognize. So then I get
Speaker 6: this call late at night one day. They was like, Yo,
Speaker 6: my man called me. And was like, my man, damon,
Speaker 6: you know, damon, my guy.
Speaker 1: He caused me. It was like, YO, read this article
Speaker 1: and it was like Clive Davis signs the first X
Speaker 1: Factor artist to the USA, And I was like, huh.
Speaker 1: I was like what. I'm like, no fucking way. I
Speaker 1: was like, dog, she's still in our contract. He was
Speaker 1: like I know. He's like, what the fuck is going on,
Speaker 1: and I said, man, listen, bro, this is some shit.
Speaker 1: So guess what this is so crazy? Now Jaha is
Speaker 1: working for Sony. He's working for Clive and Larry. Right,
Speaker 1: he went from Geffen to Sony. So I immediately called
Speaker 1: y'ah like, joh yo, I said, dog, y'all got this
Speaker 1: girl over there. He was like who. I was like,
Speaker 1: you remember the girl I bought? You was like, who
Speaker 1: are you talking about. I was like, Leona Lewis. He said,
Speaker 1: we just had a company and she is fucking priority
Speaker 1: over here. I said, I said, Jaha. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: she's still signing me. She was like, oh, ship, that's
Speaker 1: right she is. I said, Jaha, I'm about to send
Speaker 1: you this contract and I need you to go tell
Speaker 1: the people that Sony that this girl is in a
Speaker 1: production situation and that this is a problem. This is
Speaker 1: a fucking huge problem. Right. So he was like he
Speaker 1: goes back to the company and then Sony was like,
Speaker 1: we ain't got nothing to do with that. That's X factor.
Speaker 1: You guys need to talk to the people that X
Speaker 1: Factor or what Simon Cowell, whoever the fuck it.
Speaker 3: That's the furnishing company has done.
Speaker 1: So you need to talk to them. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right. So I go to my attorney and I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: and you know who it is. It used to be
Speaker 1: Barrier's attorney. What's his name? Man? What's his fucking name? No?
Speaker 1: Not Joah.
Speaker 4: He worked for joh Okay, he worked with John.
Speaker 1: I worked for him. Uh, big attorney, big huge attorney,
Speaker 1: black attorney. Anyway, So I go to him and he's like, bro,
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta see him. So you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to see him. You have to threaten to swing him.
Speaker 1: So we sued him and settle. We settled. But yeah,
Speaker 1: she was, she was, she she was signed to me
Speaker 1: and she was she wanted to expact over there and
Speaker 1: then toy went to uh America American idol over here.
Speaker 3: So did you ever catch the fade with Simon cow
Speaker 3: or not? Did y'all fight?
Speaker 1: Did we just? We just we settled out. We we
Speaker 1: we got it. We got it straight, We got it straight,
Speaker 1: We worked it out.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this. You can know how to pick him.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I do now. Female artists, you know
Speaker 1: how to pick him.
Speaker 3: You're you are, you're eight eight.
Speaker 1: I'm good at that. I'm good at that's one thing
Speaker 1: I know. A female artist is good. And we even
Speaker 1: had what your column signed to us, man uh Nivia nib.
Speaker 3: It was noon time. Yeah, I didn't know that. I
Speaker 3: did actually that we.
Speaker 1: Had Nivia super cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love Nivva.
Speaker 4: I used to be on the road always doing a
Speaker 4: bunch of days and ship together. Downside we had Nivia too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: As you were getting as you as you guys were
Speaker 3: separating from the now time thing, your mentality was, I
Speaker 3: got to keep the ball roller.
Speaker 1: I got to keep the ball roller.
Speaker 3: Because everybody didn't stand music.
Speaker 1: No, everybody started yeah fashion yeah, yeah yeah, fashion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Brian was doing Ryan Kenny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris went actually Chris went to Depth Jam. He
Speaker 1: was over there with l A and then and then
Speaker 1: and then noon was yeah, they had showed up.
Speaker 6: They were still working working show enough and then I
Speaker 6: just I just came out here and start started.
Speaker 1: Managing you know Jason, Yeah, the guru of mixing.
Speaker 3: How does that happen? Because at one point that.
Speaker 1: Happened because the same partners. Yes, but but Jason used
Speaker 1: to be the used to work at DreamWorks. He was
Speaker 1: in A and R. I know this right, So so
Speaker 1: that's how we got close exactly.
Speaker 4: That's how that's how all of us got well, that's
Speaker 4: how we was already he was already cool. But then
Speaker 4: that's how I got close with Jason because of the
Speaker 4: dream Works.
Speaker 1: Because the dream Works. Yeah, yeah, Jason was at dream Works.
Speaker 1: He was an R. I was consulting over their dream Works.
Speaker 1: So that's how me and him met. And the crazy
Speaker 1: thing about that is when I first came out here,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what mixing was. Like. He was like,
Speaker 1: we were like, we had a record, and he was like, bro,
Speaker 1: we got to go mix this record. And I'm like, mixed.
Speaker 1: What the fuck is that? He was like, that's what
Speaker 1: they separate all the sounds. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: And that was the first time I even knew what
Speaker 1: mixing was. And he he was he was a producer. Actually,
Speaker 1: Jason was a producer.
Speaker 3: He's produced Beckett beck Att.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jason was producing.
Speaker 3: Jason didn't really know song structure though.
Speaker 1: Yes he did, he did not. He knew a lot
Speaker 1: about a lot about that he taught me about I
Speaker 1: didn't know about it.
Speaker 3: I taught him some ship.
Speaker 1: Okay, well you taught him some You might have taught
Speaker 1: him some ship, but he yes, okay, because.
Speaker 4: He definitely wasn't no mixed engineer at that time. No,
Speaker 4: not even close.
Speaker 1: No, he wasn't.
Speaker 4: No, he was a marketing partner in what initially Well, okay,
Speaker 4: so maybe I have it wrong because the Daggio was
Speaker 4: your group group and he took to Jason and he
Speaker 4: facilitates the deal at dream always thought y'all were him and.
Speaker 1: Joel Busby that's like his God. Yes, right, so that's
Speaker 1: how that that all played out the dream.
Speaker 3: Works and you end up getting a consultancy.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, at DreamWorks.
Speaker 3: Okay, so now you guys start working together making this.
Speaker 1: Start working together. And then one day Jason went over
Speaker 1: went off to he was doing marketing for some marketing company.
Speaker 1: And then I get a call one day and he's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm over here at Larrybie and I'm mixing. Now I'm
Speaker 1: like mixing. What are you? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: He was like, Yo, I'm I'm I'm over here. I'm
Speaker 1: a runnerunner.
Speaker 3: In the beginning, he was assistant.
Speaker 1: He was a run No, everyone wasn't even assistant. He
Speaker 1: was a runner first, yes, you know, yes, yeah, and
Speaker 1: then he became an assistant for Dave he became an
Speaker 1: assistant for David Soo and he called me and was like, bro,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need you, I'm gonna need you. I was
Speaker 1: like what He was like, I'm mixing now and me
Speaker 1: and Dave. So I started managing me, and Damon started
Speaker 1: managing Dave and Jason.
Speaker 4: So they used to I don't know, I managed David
Speaker 4: and uh Jason, and they had they were That's where
Speaker 4: the Pensado group came from.
Speaker 1: That's that was Jason and Daves mixing entity. So Jason
Speaker 1: and I remember this is crazy too. How Jason really
Speaker 1: how he got his first record that he mixed on
Speaker 1: his own. I got a call from this is when
Speaker 1: he was working real happy with Tricky and Dream and
Speaker 1: all of them, and they called and they was like,
Speaker 1: we want this record to be mixed, but we want
Speaker 1: Jason to mix it. We was like, what record is that?
Speaker 1: They was like mm hm this record called single Ladies,
Speaker 1: So so listen. So we get we get a call
Speaker 1: and he's in the dilemma like, Hey, what am I
Speaker 1: going to do? They want me to mix this without Dave?
Speaker 1: How am you know what I mean? So that was
Speaker 1: the first record he mixed on his own. What single ladies.
Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of here, single ladies. That's the
Speaker 3: way to kick it off.
Speaker 1: That's the way to get them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thanks the Tricky you know what I mean. Tricky and
Speaker 1: Dream You know what I mean. Tricky and Dream brought
Speaker 1: him that record. They wanted him to do it on
Speaker 1: his own, and that was and they gave him a chance.
Speaker 1: He did it and killed it. Yeah, and the rest
Speaker 1: is history.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. And this had been the first time
Speaker 3: you had ever managed.
Speaker 1: A mixing Yeah, this is the first time I ever managed.
Speaker 6: Before him and Dave, Like at that point you were
Speaker 6: purely just artists, artist.
Speaker 1: Producers, writers, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Because what's the what's the difference in managing.
Speaker 6: I know, I know the difference between managing the artists
Speaker 6: and managing even producer or you know, someone on from
Speaker 6: the behind the scenes. But there has to be differences
Speaker 6: in managing a producer writer then managing the mixer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a big difference. It's a huge And.
Speaker 3: You kind of give us some insight on how you.
Speaker 4: Like is it traditional selling? Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: Like you go into the office and like you want
Speaker 4: to mix, Oh no, I got to mix for you
Speaker 4: listen to this, like, no, that was that itself.
Speaker 1: Yes, it was organic, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: it was an organic type of situation that manifested with that.
Speaker 1: Like that's something I mean, you can go do that
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I managed this mixing in here's what
Speaker 1: he's done. But a lot of that was just.
Speaker 4: You kind of walked you well, you kind of walked
Speaker 4: into something that had some legs to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and because.
Speaker 3: Popping, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They already he was already you know, people went to him.
Speaker 1: You know, they loved his vocals, they loved how he
Speaker 1: made their vocals sound. And that's what made Jason so
Speaker 1: dope is because he's knew how to make your beats
Speaker 1: keep knocking, but your vocals focus on and a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of mixing engineers don't know how to
Speaker 1: do both.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and now you have the new kid whose whose
Speaker 4: first solo mix is this big fucking this big fucking
Speaker 4: so it's like the calling card, Yes you don't there's
Speaker 4: nothing else to sell.
Speaker 1: There's there's nothing else to sell. So he pretty much
Speaker 1: you know, he's that's like pretty much like self contained,
Speaker 1: like yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And you guys have been working together. How many years? Now?
Speaker 1: When was that when we because that's when I first
Speaker 1: met him? When you where was that that was? That
Speaker 1: was two nineteen ninety money thousand, two thousand, two thousand. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's when I first met Jason. I mean I had
Speaker 1: known him probably for like a year when he came around.
Speaker 6: Ye, let's talk about when he came around. Sure, let's
Speaker 6: talk about when he came around. Man, you know you
Speaker 6: say this nigga life, Man, I did damn right, I
Speaker 6: did save I did save save Jay. I'll just say
Speaker 6: I just said. I'll just say I believed. Listen, I believe.
Speaker 1: But I heard, Okay, I heard a few things, and
Speaker 1: I was like this kid.
Speaker 3: Nice, there's a difference.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 4: There's a difference between believing and your money putting your
Speaker 4: money up.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
Speaker 3: There is a great difference. I have seen the nigga
Speaker 3: like you.
Speaker 1: Help me with my talent.
Speaker 3: Ship back to me. No, No, this nigga was like this, Nah, nigga,
Speaker 3: come to the studio.
Speaker 4: I need songs. I had my equipment on deck. Nigga,
Speaker 4: nigga way before a computer.
Speaker 1: N he did you came in with your PC keyboarding?
Speaker 3: There let's work.
Speaker 4: Yes, I wrote the song, yes, yes, everything. He had
Speaker 4: all everything, yo, Nigga.
Speaker 1: He came to the studio with his keyboard. Niggas like,
Speaker 1: create a song. I'm ready to work, and so came
Speaker 1: in there, laid it down.
Speaker 3: Gat him.
Speaker 4: Niggas they parts sing this ship nigga, let's God. And
Speaker 4: that nigga was like, nigga because.
Speaker 3: How old are you? Just played like twenty.
Speaker 1: One, twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Two or twenty three? Wow?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and niggas this Niggas like nigga, No nigga, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you got it.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do. How to introduce you?
Speaker 4: I got to introduce you to Jerald Yeah, him and
Speaker 4: Jameson gotta introduce you, Jail nigga and I I went
Speaker 4: and said you and and Dreino has my my background.
Speaker 3: Singers, yes who. I'm working on their ship too. At
Speaker 3: the same time I'm working on his. You have a record.
Speaker 3: I have a record record.
Speaker 4: That's why I'm out there in l ah It was
Speaker 4: a litt quiet, little wife and my hotel is about
Speaker 4: to run out le Montross.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna one of the other one?
Speaker 4: My hotel was getting running the fuck out, telling me
Speaker 4: that I think I'm not to not have nowhere to.
Speaker 3: Stay all that.
Speaker 1: No, he was, you know, niggas niggas be lying, No.
Speaker 4: No, I said, niggas. Shit is almost open. Niggas handling
Speaker 4: and nigga. Joe Buzzy said, I like your tunes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like your tone. These are good, good tunes,
Speaker 3: good records. Man.
Speaker 4: I like, I like, I like what you're doing, and
Speaker 4: I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna give you seventeen to five.
Speaker 4: You know, I was like this, IM about to get
Speaker 4: seventeen thousand and five. I was like, I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: I said, thank you so much. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: like you're grabbing, you know, seventeen five. Okay, He's okay,
Speaker 4: So that's the total, he said, this is it? No,
Speaker 4: it is seventeen five for two. Do you want two
Speaker 4: records for seventeen five? That's fine, I'll tell you, no,
Speaker 4: I want two records.
Speaker 8: Third, I'll say, ooh, and one is.
Speaker 3: For your group.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that was the first one.
Speaker 3: The first one.
Speaker 1: I was the one who I should have supposed to.
Speaker 1: Don't get that twisted. Jay I was the one to
Speaker 1: wash it the.
Speaker 3: Second ones as a producer. Second one was going to mo.
Speaker 1: Yes, the second I was going to text, yeah the dog.
Speaker 3: You were first, brother, Okay, you were first.
Speaker 1: Want everybody to know. I don't want niggas to be
Speaker 1: getting confused. I heard somebody else say that they was
Speaker 1: the first one to give you producer. But I heard
Speaker 1: now somebody said that Bryan Alexander was the first one
Speaker 1: to believe. I have to give him that, Bernard. Bernard
Speaker 1: Alexander was the first one to believe. I have to
Speaker 1: give him that because he heard maybe I deserve before anybody,
Speaker 1: and he was sending me.
Speaker 3: He was sending it. He was the check was the day.
Speaker 4: It was okay, And Barry Hankerson called and said, if
Speaker 4: you sell that song, I'm gonna kill you.
Speaker 3: I said, but you told me to sell it, and.
Speaker 1: Now everybody wants it.
Speaker 4: Now we can't collect that. Yeah, okay, he was. He
Speaker 4: was about.
Speaker 1: To see that's the one. That's the I'm about to do.
Speaker 4: You got No, it wasn't his fault. He ran up
Speaker 4: against the monster. But if he paid for it, if
Speaker 4: you pay for it time, No, No, it was a
Speaker 4: day late. It was a day late and a dollar short,
Speaker 4: and Barry Hankerson wasn't wasn't no, he wasn't nobody to
Speaker 4: play with it. That wasn't you don't you don't really
Speaker 4: play with him at that time.
Speaker 3: Not the first nigga.
Speaker 1: Good cut right here, same the cutter.
Speaker 3: About to kick you. Listen.
Speaker 4: The Mantos always sent you away with a chocolate chip,
Speaker 4: cookies and a strawberry, so you already giving you They
Speaker 4: gave my notice here put that chocolate chip on your pillow.
Speaker 1: Sir. You got to get out of here.
Speaker 4: You gotta get the funk out, and I had nowhere
Speaker 4: to stay. It's all right, and listen, believe when man
Speaker 4: I knew you was going to be you know what happened.
Speaker 4: I went and bought some rims.
Speaker 1: Understood you had twelve cards.
Speaker 3: I definitely you know, also had a video store. I
Speaker 3: had the video.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you listen, here's what's so crazy about you
Speaker 4: having a video store.
Speaker 3: I used to go get so many videos from the
Speaker 3: video store. The niggas will borrow videos from me.
Speaker 4: What you think he might still have some videos that
Speaker 4: were from tr didn't even know if.
Speaker 1: You, yeah, you might have had them joints killing him.
Speaker 3: Then they started doing a DVD.
Speaker 6: I have insurance on those like because nigga usually just
Speaker 6: keep the videos, man, Like, how did you.
Speaker 1: Know niggas used to have to call and harass the
Speaker 1: people videos? Yo, when did you bring in the video back?
Speaker 3: Like I just I just want to hear your voice.
Speaker 4: Saying kin and rewind Please, hey, my nigga, my nigga
Speaker 4: a video. Bro, you got Sally those black five days late? Nigga,
Speaker 4: you got Sally Goes black talents. You had to for
Speaker 4: two months? Now what are we doing? Come on, my nigga.
Speaker 4: Oh man, you gotta be done with them.
Speaker 1: You have to call number Blockbuster used to call you.
Speaker 1: What Blockbusters would be on the nigga calling you like them?
Speaker 4: But think about that though. They have to be a
Speaker 4: real honor system for you to just bring something.
Speaker 3: Back because you wanted something. Yeah, but yeah, but think
Speaker 3: about right now.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, good luck, good luck with that, Good
Speaker 1: luck with that, with your videos. Think in your video
Speaker 1: come get me, get find me at that bogus address
Speaker 1: a more serious note, how does.
Speaker 3: All this lead.
Speaker 6: You then becoming a board member and being on the
Speaker 6: board of Carnegie Hall?
Speaker 1: How does that happen? So Jay? That kind of came
Speaker 1: about because my whole life I value relationships like that
Speaker 1: to me is more important than anything.
Speaker 3: We've never not been friends, you know.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, Like, I don't have I can't, I
Speaker 1: can't even I don't know. I don't have any enemies.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody that you were men my name
Speaker 1: and niggas be.
Speaker 3: Like that, niggas fuck nigga.
Speaker 1: I don't fuck with him like every it's every I'm
Speaker 1: just cool because I know how valuable valuable relationships are.
Speaker 1: That's the most important, more than money to me, man,
Speaker 1: because you can get money and lose money. I've had money,
Speaker 1: lost money, but this kind of relationships are the ones
Speaker 1: that you know, keep you going. So I just develop
Speaker 1: a lot of relationships. So one day I'm doing I'm
Speaker 1: into political shit. This girl calls me and like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you know all of these celebrities, you know these people.
Speaker 1: Biden is trying to, you know, figure out what he's
Speaker 1: wanting to do for his first hundred days in office,
Speaker 1: and we need you to, you know, get these celebrities
Speaker 1: and get these influences to come on board for this.
Speaker 1: And I'm like sure, I'm like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So we used to do these zoom calls and it
Speaker 1: would be all these political people, and there'd be like
Speaker 1: sixty people on these calls. And this this girl from DC,
Speaker 1: her name is Lelania, her mom is was the widow
Speaker 1: of Man Barry, so there she's collect connected heavily in
Speaker 1: the political game. So we used to do these zoom
Speaker 1: calls and I used to be on there and we
Speaker 1: would have calls about all of this stuff, and then
Speaker 1: I would always speak up and be like, listen, y'all
Speaker 1: keep going after all of these celebrities, these older celebrities.
Speaker 1: You're trying to get these kids. You got to get
Speaker 1: somebody that they're going to relate to, Like, they're not
Speaker 1: going to relate to these old people, these older these
Speaker 1: older athletes or these older entertainers. So let's focus on
Speaker 1: getting like some of these somebody who's in the political
Speaker 1: space that's young that they're going to listen to. They're
Speaker 1: not going to listen to these other people. So the dude,
Speaker 1: one of the dudes that was on the call called
Speaker 1: me offline one day and was like, hey man, He
Speaker 1: was like, bro, like you'd be on these calls and
Speaker 1: I look the way you hand yourself and you know
Speaker 1: a lot of people, what do you think about Carnegie Hall,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Carnegie Hall. That's the fucking like,
Speaker 1: that's the krim Della Krima venues. Like. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Robert Smith is the chairman of the board
Speaker 1: and they really want to bring culture over to Carnegie.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, yeah, I'm in. And he
Speaker 1: was like all right, I want to. I really fuck
Speaker 1: with you. I'll rock with you. I want I think you,
Speaker 1: I think you would be perfect for this. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: let me, let me do what I need to do.
Speaker 1: He was like, okay, I want to introduce you to
Speaker 1: the people that Carnegie. You meet me up in New York.
Speaker 1: Have you go meet to people at Carnegie. So I went.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a Carnegie Hall. They don't do the
Speaker 1: business we do, especially not the music, right. Everything is
Speaker 1: chopped like when they say they gonna do stop, this
Speaker 1: gets done there. Like they booked stuff Street they booked
Speaker 1: like three and four years out right. That's not ship
Speaker 1: we used to So I'm coming in. So so I
Speaker 1: went up there and I met with them and they
Speaker 1: were like, yo, we want to bring you on. I
Speaker 1: was like okay, And then I'm in the hallway right
Speaker 1: of Carnegie and there there's these pictures, old pictures of
Speaker 1: people in the old show, like black and white pictures.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the pictures thinking, and I'm like, I say, goddamn,
Speaker 1: everybody's dressed up. Like we don't get dressed up. No,
Speaker 1: Like people don't go to concerts. They don't get dressed up.
Speaker 1: No more So, I said, yo, I told my man.
Speaker 1: I was like, man, listen, if we do anything over here, bro,
Speaker 1: it has to be black tie and it has to
Speaker 1: be an orchestra company. The artists like, that's what we
Speaker 1: gotta do. I said, I want to make this where
Speaker 1: it's totally an experience. This ain't going like going to
Speaker 1: the Barclays or going to Apollo. You got to get
Speaker 1: dressed up. And if you can't get dressed up, this
Speaker 1: ain't ain't venue spanked the venue for you. Maybe you
Speaker 1: go to another one another, go see this artist at
Speaker 1: another another venue, but not here. I ain't having no
Speaker 1: hoodies and none of that ship. So the people at
Speaker 1: Carnege was like, okay, let's let's let's let's rock out
Speaker 1: and let's do it. So it's this funny story, so crazy.
Speaker 1: So we're in the studio Jason's mixing the record of
Speaker 1: D Nice. He's mixing it, mixing the D Nice record.
Speaker 1: So I'm in a studio and I keep looking at
Speaker 1: D Nice.
Speaker 3: I'm like, quart is that when he had the D
Speaker 3: Nice and Neo record.
Speaker 1: No, it was a it was a record that they
Speaker 1: it was an older record that he came back and redid.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at him and jajas you know, Jaha
Speaker 1: and d and Nice were they were rocking together. And
Speaker 1: I'm looking at D Nice and I'm like club Quarantine
Speaker 1: Carnegie Yah. I kept thinking this in my fucking head,
Speaker 1: and so I said, D Nice. I went over to him.
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, what do you think about carnegi y'all?
Speaker 1: Would you want to perform at Carnegie Hall? And he
Speaker 1: looked at me. He said what He was like, nigga,
Speaker 1: that's on my bucket list? I said really, I said,
Speaker 1: all right? I said, what do you think if I
Speaker 1: could make it happen like I could, if I could
Speaker 1: make it happen, he was like me, how how are
Speaker 1: you gonna get me? You're gonna get me at Carnegie Hall?
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, let me let me figure it out.
Speaker 1: So I sent the people. I said, listen, we should
Speaker 1: do Club Quarantine at Carnegie Hall. And they were like,
Speaker 1: who is the nice? I was like, so of course
Speaker 1: they wouldn't google him. Coach said he was. He was.
Speaker 1: He was a guy doing COVID. You know. He had
Speaker 1: everybody from from Obama to Oprah to Bien to everybody
Speaker 1: on his fucking on his line playing music during COVID
Speaker 1: because nobody couldn't go out. And I said, he went
Speaker 1: from ten thousand followers to three million followers, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And they were like, oh, this one
Speaker 1: might be this might be nice. Well let's do it.
Speaker 1: So I hit Jajah back and I told her, I said,
Speaker 1: tell the nice I got. We we can do this
Speaker 1: show at Carnegie. He was like, no way. I was
Speaker 1: like yeah, So we did the show. The first show
Speaker 1: we ever did was Club Quarantine and cardig y'all. When
Speaker 1: I tell you man, people dressed up. It was I'm
Speaker 1: looking at I'm looking at people walking in with gowns
Speaker 1: and niggas with tuxedos on, and I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: Carnegie Hall. So I said, So the show was on
Speaker 1: and you know, people was up and and racticst Niggas
Speaker 1: was singing and dancing. Because you know, the nice play
Speaker 1: all a dope music. He had Queen Ladieth would come out,
Speaker 1: he had Slick Rick come out, He had all these
Speaker 1: people come out foreman, and everybody's dressed up and having
Speaker 1: a good time. So there's the guy over there who
Speaker 1: is the chairman of Carnegie, who runs Carnegie. He was like, here,
Speaker 1: we were in the booth together, you know, they got
Speaker 1: them little booths. And he looked at me and he
Speaker 1: was like, Terry. He was like, I've been over here
Speaker 1: for twenty years, man, and I've never seen a hall
Speaker 1: rocking life. It's never felt like this. This energy is crazy.
Speaker 1: And I said, I was like, thank you, and he
Speaker 1: was like and I was like, even better. I said,
Speaker 1: look around at here. And we started looking around in
Speaker 1: the in the audience right and I said, ninety nine
Speaker 1: percent of the people who are in here now have
Speaker 1: never been to fucking Carnegie Hall. And I said, we
Speaker 1: did this. I said, we did this, and I've changed
Speaker 1: the culture at Carnegie Hall, completely changed the culture at
Speaker 1: Carnegie like now, before I used to say stuff, So
Speaker 1: they starting to pivot for me, because you know, we
Speaker 1: don't fink like we don't function like that. So I
Speaker 1: might call and say I need to book a show
Speaker 1: for a fucking May of this year, Terry. You know
Speaker 1: we can't do that. The show's already booked. So they'll
Speaker 1: start to go find dates and stuff and to find
Speaker 1: people who ain't you know what I mean. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, so so then you know that. So
Speaker 1: it's just it's just it's just a wonderful experience, man.
Speaker 1: And the people that I have lined up coming over
Speaker 1: there is just it's insane, Like justin Timberlake, US. Sure.
Speaker 1: I mean these people that I've already talked to him,
Speaker 1: they want to be I talk to you about y'all
Speaker 1: coming over.
Speaker 4: Big band at Carnegie Hall? Okay, big band in orchestra
Speaker 4: at Carnegie Hall.
Speaker 1: Done?
Speaker 3: Frank Sinatra?
Speaker 4: Uh uh uh? What's the other album? Marvin Gaye's big
Speaker 4: band album. I want to grab pieces, big band pieces
Speaker 4: go crazy.
Speaker 1: That's great. That's that's that's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 3: With my tucks on a shirt and.
Speaker 1: A shirt and you can take it off whatever if
Speaker 1: you want to. You want to conduct the orchestra too,
Speaker 1: you want to sing?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, and we want Michael buffer an announce.
Speaker 1: We can have that. We can have that, brother, brother,
Speaker 1: what do you do to UFC?
Speaker 3: We get the I need it?
Speaker 1: So Jay is are we confirming this?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? I need on? If he confirms, we confer, I.
Speaker 4: Need glasper or Tim carrmon on piano like I need things.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 4: Feels like it can happen. You know what I loved,
Speaker 4: I love and wine in the summertime.
Speaker 1: It's the best time.
Speaker 3: I feel like we can do it. This summer. We
Speaker 3: get a summertime. Can you find can you find me
Speaker 3: a summer day?
Speaker 1: Let me find let me, let me let me find
Speaker 1: out R and.
Speaker 9: B money uh constituents. We will be at Carnegie Hall,
Speaker 9: suited and booted. Yeah, tuxt and.
Speaker 4: Buck ah man this summer doing the standards, doing the standards,
Speaker 4: big voice, big band, all curated, one sound and one sound.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question curated by Let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question. Yes, would this be your first
Speaker 1: time performing at Carnia?
Speaker 3: Absolutely?
Speaker 4: Yeah, damn to another, I'm another first pause, Yes, I'm yep, yep,
Speaker 4: damn come on, make come on.
Speaker 1: Make key collected, baby, I gotta keep collecting collected, you know,
Speaker 1: come on, man, you know what I'm saying. Summertime, summertime,
Speaker 1: when I leave here, I'm gonna call and see if
Speaker 1: we got any days in the summertime.
Speaker 3: Perfect.
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it happen. I can't wait for the show.
Speaker 6: It's going to happen. That's going to happen. Date and
Speaker 6: Take is putting it out there that he wants to something.
Speaker 3: Date.
Speaker 4: Okay, he wants the he want tell me a date
Speaker 4: so we can get the cooking. I'm talking charting chart.
Speaker 1: And you start looking for the nigga charts.
Speaker 3: I'm in I'm talking in here, nigga. That's what you're
Speaker 3: gonna do. You know, you go three your own streams.
Speaker 3: I'm oh ship upright.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to say another story that that a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't know too. I used to manage
Speaker 1: him tunk and got him his deal and.
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, y'all robbed the bank too, and
Speaker 6: y'all came through with that one.
Speaker 3: Y'all had no mask on.
Speaker 1: From Toya, you know him and Toya. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: got I got him his deal that tennis through Jaha,
Speaker 1: I can wow.
Speaker 3: And then that ended up going to for real at first, right, that's.
Speaker 1: In the whole night. It was, it was, it was
Speaker 1: I'll tell that story. Slim called me one night late night,
Speaker 1: like yo, because you know, and at Interscope or at
Speaker 1: Jimmy always puts a producer with the artist. So Slim
Speaker 1: calls me and was like, man, Yo, g man, they
Speaker 1: want to put me in with They wanted Pharrell to
Speaker 1: do my whole album. And I'm like what, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't like Slim, I'm like, yo, I said, man,
Speaker 1: that's pretty sound you got. Is like, that's a real,
Speaker 1: right thing. That's a real thing. Nobody's fu heard that.
Speaker 1: Nobody's doing that. I said. I mean, I said, you
Speaker 1: know you for Rella is incredible. I'm like, I know
Speaker 1: for and he's he's on fire. That's when he Farrell
Speaker 1: was on fire. I said, but his sound is a
Speaker 1: little too clean for you. I said, what we should
Speaker 1: do is get two or three songs for the for
Speaker 1: the females, like half forhar Real, do the songs for
Speaker 1: the for the brods. You keep that same old tipping
Speaker 1: on four folds. And because nobody, he was like, man, man,
Speaker 1: I've been listening to these songs for all these years.
Speaker 1: I was like Slim, when I first heard it, it
Speaker 1: was something different.
Speaker 3: Us.
Speaker 1: Everybody else is gonna feel the same way.
Speaker 6: I felt like, let's keep that same energy and then
Speaker 6: you then you him, yes, then you do the.
Speaker 1: For real joints. He was like, man, they want me
Speaker 1: to do this. I was like, man, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I love pharreal Real is incredible. But that sound, your
Speaker 1: sound is your sound, and nobody's doing that right now,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's coming straight out of Texas.
Speaker 1: Nobody's doing that. Nobody on the heast is hearing that.
Speaker 1: Andy he went, you know, and did the thing with
Speaker 1: he did, and then.
Speaker 6: Then it worked out for him because if it's and
Speaker 6: he just really got all of his ship back, he
Speaker 6: got all that money. Yeah, did that deal? Yeah, the
Speaker 6: deal didn't pan out the way. He got all his ownership,
Speaker 6: he got all and really his independence.
Speaker 1: He got his independence, but she had and I begged him.
Speaker 1: I begged like like and I heard him. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I heard him because when Toyo brought him
Speaker 1: up to me and she you know, they was going
Speaker 1: out or whatever. She was like, you never heard of
Speaker 1: slim Thing. I was like, no, I never heard of him. Noah,
Speaker 1: I never heard of him. So one day we was
Speaker 1: in the studio and I was sleep. You know how
Speaker 1: you be half of sleep in the studio, but you
Speaker 1: can still hear the music. And I'm in there. I'm late,
Speaker 1: I'm asleep. And then he was rapping on one of
Speaker 1: these songs. He I was like, what the fuck is that?
Speaker 1: I said, I said, Toya, that's him. She was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's Slim. I was like, Oh, that Nigga's incredible. I said, Bro,
Speaker 1: you don't want a deal. He was like, nah, gee,
Speaker 1: I don't want no deal. Man, I'm staying independent. I
Speaker 1: don't want no deal.
Speaker 3: Was like, this is way before independent was even the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And that was like he understood it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, he was like, nah, I don't
Speaker 1: want no deal. So one day he called me, he
Speaker 1: was like, gee, I'm ready. He's like, go get my deal.
Speaker 1: I said, all right, went right over to Jaja, ran
Speaker 1: over to Geff, got him his deal, big deal for
Speaker 1: him and his boss Hog because he had a crew
Speaker 1: called boss Hogs.
Speaker 6: Got him in his deal. Deal deal a crew, his
Speaker 6: crew are deal? Sure did that's crazy. I did not
Speaker 6: know that I've been doing.
Speaker 1: You know. I used to manage Dave Hollis too.
Speaker 3: With with Bernard Yeah.
Speaker 1: Wellerd he was signed to them. He was I managed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I managed him.
Speaker 6: That's how That's how I got to to Uh I
Speaker 6: did the album or Jason? Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dave.
Speaker 1: I was in his first video. Actually, I was in
Speaker 1: his first video, the video to his first Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, so, who Who's what's called?
Speaker 1: He was signed to? He was signed to Eric's label.
Speaker 3: Listen, I mean you you again around the block, your
Speaker 3: your your your relationships, like speak to who you are. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The fact the fact that you've been able to get
Speaker 4: so much done, you know what I mean, speaks to
Speaker 4: how the people in those positions view you.
Speaker 3: Right, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: They know they know you're worth worth the investment, worth
Speaker 4: the time, worth the opportunity, and that that continues.
Speaker 3: To ring still.
Speaker 4: But you start doing music in ninety seven.
Speaker 1: Yea.
Speaker 3: A long more fucking time. I think you.
Speaker 1: Then I did the Freaknik document I don't know if you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, you know I watched it.
Speaker 1: Did you watch it?
Speaker 4: I haven't seen it? Disrespectful bro, Yeah watch it. I
Speaker 4: didn't know you did it. You do so many things.
Speaker 4: I didn't know you did Treaknick documentary. Absolutely not, and
Speaker 4: it's all that's not you called me and tell me
Speaker 4: that you're doing it.
Speaker 6: I mean, it makes sense for you to do the
Speaker 6: documentary if that's the ship.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, listen. It went full circle. Yeah, I went
Speaker 1: to Atlanta for Freak Nick and my first film was
Speaker 1: a Freaknick documentary, right, so it was full watch it.
Speaker 3: And that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 6: I feel like when I when I look at you,
Speaker 6: know your career and how long I've known you, I
Speaker 6: feel like you've just mastered the art of the pivot.
Speaker 6: You've always figured out the next move for yourself. You
Speaker 6: don't get too caught up in because that's the other
Speaker 6: thing in this business. It's like, and we talk about this,
Speaker 6: it's the nigga who got this. He's been trying to
Speaker 6: sell the same song, yeah, for ten years and that
Speaker 6: and that, and that connects to everybody in this business.
Speaker 3: M hmm.
Speaker 6: Maybe it's not the actual song, but yes, whatever you're
Speaker 6: doing so you're trying to do the same song and
Speaker 6: dance that. At some point it's like, yo, maybe you
Speaker 6: should try something different. Maybe maybe your talents fit somewhere else.
Speaker 6: And you know what I mean, And I and I
Speaker 6: think you know, watching your careers. Even for me, it's
Speaker 6: definitely been an inspiration for me seeing someone like yourself
Speaker 6: and being like you know, and obviously understanding what you
Speaker 6: come from, understanding what I come from, he comes from.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 6: Saying, you know, because we were all supposed to be
Speaker 6: something whatever people thought that was. But we've all evolved,
Speaker 6: you have.
Speaker 3: Other things, you know.
Speaker 6: I mean, nobody ever thought that we would be sitting
Speaker 6: here behind them a fucking microphone.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying, like, we.
Speaker 4: Do this ship all the time at the studio, We'll
Speaker 4: sit at the table fucking Jason Johnson dog bit me.
Speaker 1: But you don't but y'all, but but what would I
Speaker 1: say about all the we know how to pivot?
Speaker 4: Well, you know what's crazy too, is that is that
Speaker 4: we weren't necessarily taught the pivot. No no, right, because
Speaker 4: because we come from a time where you do a
Speaker 4: thing and that's the thing you do, and you do
Speaker 4: it until you can't do it no more. You we've
Speaker 4: been we've been blessed to see opportunities outside of our
Speaker 4: main thing and understand how it could benefit you, understand
Speaker 4: the benefit everything and everybody that we're like, you know
Speaker 4: what that that could add to or that could be dope?
Speaker 4: If and we don't come from that, which is crazy
Speaker 4: because like when if you were to get a branding
Speaker 4: deal back in the nineties or early two thousands or like,
Speaker 4: that was just like what, oh you got a what
Speaker 4: how'd you get?
Speaker 3: Like? Seeing Tyree's model was like, how do you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 6: I remember talking to Tyree when he was first got
Speaker 6: his VJ job. Nigga, wait, you're doing what.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 6: Like nobody was I'm gonna introduce this and then I'm
Speaker 6: gonna I'm Like people.
Speaker 3: In the record business were like frowning, frowning upon that.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't do that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta focus on your music. You gotta your artistry.
Speaker 4: But all of that lended to him being superstar. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and we didn't know that then. It's something that they
Speaker 4: grew on us and that as those opportunities came, we
Speaker 4: were smart enough say no, no, give me that.
Speaker 1: But but but I would say, all three of us,
Speaker 1: we're just not gonna let people put us in a box.
Speaker 1: Like I'm never gonna be put in the fucking box.
Speaker 1: You can't put me in a box.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fight the fucking way. I'm gonna my way out.
Speaker 3: You gotta hear J say, tank, that's too far, that's.
Speaker 1: I mean you. I mean because we all need that too, though,
Speaker 1: But you don't need you know why, because we want
Speaker 1: the reward and you can't get to that reward unless
Speaker 1: you take chance.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, high risk, high reward at the end of the day.
Speaker 6: But you gotta tell you gotta have the nigga in
Speaker 6: the car with you that says we got too much dope?
Speaker 1: You too much help? Is that too much dope?
Speaker 3: I cannot confirm, n.
Speaker 1: We can.
Speaker 3: How many keys are too many keys?
Speaker 1: I don't think anything.
Speaker 4: I think once you get over a certain amount, the
Speaker 4: charge is still the same car.
Speaker 1: Life is I've got, You're gonna get the same amount
Speaker 1: of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, your intent is to distribute.
Speaker 4: Yes, let's just take nine once can get to like
Speaker 4: when you go to the think and how much do
Speaker 4: y'all report this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I can't report, okay, but you.
Speaker 1: Do need that, but sometimes you do need you know,
Speaker 1: we all agree.
Speaker 4: We all need that, right, we all need because the
Speaker 4: voice that we trust, Yeah, right, And I think that
Speaker 4: for us that's been so big for us because we
Speaker 4: both trust each other's voice so much that it starts there.
Speaker 3: It starts with respect. It starts with respect.
Speaker 1: Y'all are great together.
Speaker 3: That was a great guy, man.
Speaker 1: I really great to like this guy. They all look
Speaker 1: great together. Man. I like that man. He's always been
Speaker 1: the game. When I first met him, tank Man, he
Speaker 1: was introduced me to him man our brother, and I
Speaker 1: was like, that's a that niggas that young niggas nice man.
Speaker 1: He got some swag to him, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And then when I found out he could really play basketball,
Speaker 1: that's when the app That's when the real respect came out.
Speaker 3: That's normally where it starts.
Speaker 1: A lot of them say that they can play, but they.
Speaker 3: Don't they understand.
Speaker 6: That's a whole other part of basketball. Right, especially as
Speaker 6: we've gotten older, you start to you start to you
Speaker 6: start to have a different love and respect for guys
Speaker 6: who understand basketball.
Speaker 3: It's like, my nigga, if you don't know certain basic things.
Speaker 1: Basic things, you the basic He's fundamental, He's fundamentally make
Speaker 1: the read.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, and it's and listen, it
Speaker 6: is only a few of us then understand it. In
Speaker 6: this business, we played basketball with everyone like this nigga.
Speaker 6: Yes he's athletic, Yes, he can move and get to
Speaker 6: the spot. He I don't know if he can play
Speaker 6: basket right the right way. If he understands the guy
Speaker 6: that's on his team can shoot the ship out the ball.
Speaker 6: This guy needs to have the ball in his hand
Speaker 6: and he needs to have it at this spot.
Speaker 3: This is a different.
Speaker 1: Understanding, totally different. On standard makes the game.
Speaker 3: More fun and it's more fluids. You know, we played
Speaker 3: a lot of basketball, a lot of and a lot
Speaker 3: of random mass.
Speaker 1: I remember the league, man.
Speaker 3: I got what championships and here you go with these
Speaker 3: championship rings in that league.
Speaker 4: Man, that league manage n B A E lee.
Speaker 1: He was doing your thing over there.
Speaker 3: Doing I was doing my boy brought him.
Speaker 1: My retirement.
Speaker 3: Is that I'm back.
Speaker 1: Taket went and played an adult league.
Speaker 4: Man, I don't even do that in the district.
Speaker 6: Listen, I don't even do that. I'll playing the runs
Speaker 6: the private Russ. I'm not going to play no dot.
Speaker 1: Rest.
Speaker 3: I wanted to be with the refs.
Speaker 1: He always liked the rafts.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be where people are reffing themselves
Speaker 4: like himself.
Speaker 1: He hated that man because.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna call it. But I'm like you don't
Speaker 4: call far. Yeah, you do know what you just did.
Speaker 4: Come on, you gotta call it all right. He don't
Speaker 4: call fucking foul anyway.
Speaker 3: Your Top five R and B.
Speaker 1: Artists Prince shaw Day, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder and USU.
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm cold fire, Cold five Quick, too quick, quick
Speaker 6: niggas smart quick, on his feet on his tools, m M.
Speaker 3: Top five R and B songs.
Speaker 1: Purple Rain, Cherish Today, Uh, isn't she lovely? You remind me?
Speaker 1: And what's the other one? Jodasy song, Jodasy All my.
Speaker 3: Life mm hmmm, All my Life is different?
Speaker 1: Different, hit different? That hit different? When I heard different?
Speaker 3: That real? But that's Kasey and Jojo. It is technically
Speaker 3: because it's tough.
Speaker 4: It's tough to follow Joe Tosy even as Casey and
Speaker 4: Jojo right with something completely different. No, that was completely
Speaker 4: and knock it out the park, super smash. Let's make
Speaker 4: a vultron. You're super R and B artists. We need
Speaker 4: an art every category. You put one artist in the vocal,
Speaker 4: the performance style, the styling and the passion of the artists.
Speaker 4: Choose one vocal in history to make your Super R
Speaker 4: and B artists what one vocal are you getting.
Speaker 1: All Luther hm hmmm.
Speaker 3: Doom doom, doom, doom doom. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I loved it, loved it.
Speaker 4: It's something about a nigga that can sing so good.
Speaker 4: He don't got to do nothing else but sing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like think about that, just sit there saying,
Speaker 3: just stand there, that's it and sing the song and
Speaker 3: we are amazed.
Speaker 1: Did you see this documentary?
Speaker 3: That's how you know you can sing on a level
Speaker 3: that is godly. Shout out to Fox for that too.
Speaker 3: You know Fox is a producer on that document know that. Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Performance style, m J. I gotta go with roll with
Speaker 4: that Luther voice.
Speaker 3: M J.
Speaker 4: Performance definitely has one of us is gonna die at this.
Speaker 4: You don't faint. Folks can go in the cardiac a
Speaker 4: rest at that show.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah. The styling of the artists. I gotta say, Marvin style.
Speaker 3: I knew you were going to say that. I knew
Speaker 3: you were going to say that.
Speaker 6: I got to say his style, his style, superfly, he
Speaker 6: was he was just yeah, just on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his thoughts. I loved his thoughts. Yeah, uh hm.
Speaker 3: The passion of the artists, the passion of the artists
Speaker 3: who mean it.
Speaker 1: You know who I really really like I love I
Speaker 1: love I love her, I love her love but her
Speaker 1: just her like her passion.
Speaker 3: It was just her passion exudes in her aura.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's what that's her aura. Yeah, like she
Speaker 1: was diverish, but not like super diverish.
Speaker 3: Yeah she did.
Speaker 1: She had to. She didn't have to be I didn't
Speaker 1: feel mean yes, I feel me.
Speaker 3: She didn't have to say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she didn't have to say it.
Speaker 3: That's for a lot of people. It stated yes, she.
Speaker 1: Didn't have to say it.
Speaker 3: You just she walked in.
Speaker 4: You knew, Yes, who's in the motherfucking building. Roll out
Speaker 4: that motherfucking red carpet? Put it on white gloves? Yes,
Speaker 4: and act and act like you.
Speaker 1: Know, yes, I loved her. I loved her her?
Speaker 3: Or who would manage your artist? Hm? Who would manage
Speaker 3: this artist?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about?
Speaker 7: Who asked what that for?
Speaker 3: That would be some something? Because I say no to everybody.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't say no to that.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Let's go get this, spin them around, get these white gloves,
Speaker 1: keep it, keep it the moving high.
Speaker 6: You know, we we had this very important part of
Speaker 6: the show. Now we tell us a story funny or
Speaker 6: fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? The only rude
Speaker 6: to the game, which is easy for you, you know,
Speaker 6: we know what you come from. Is you can't say
Speaker 6: no that you got.
Speaker 3: Videos.
Speaker 1: I forgot the name. We were in d C. As
Speaker 1: artist I was working with had a show and her
Speaker 1: DJ kept messing with me and kept, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to antagonize me. So I beat up the DJ. But
Speaker 1: you can't, you can't, Okay, Yeah, I beat up her
Speaker 1: DJ and the dancers and all the thing was in
Speaker 1: there screaming, get up off of them, please leave them alone.
Speaker 1: Then once the artists found out, she was like, why
Speaker 1: did you do that at my show? And I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: your man tested me, and I had to. I had to.
Speaker 1: I had to show him what it was about. We
Speaker 1: was in d C too. I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: really really wanted them to know. And you and my
Speaker 1: home city, I'm gonna I'm gonna show you something. And
Speaker 1: I beat up the DJ on show on show night
Speaker 1: before the show, right before the show. Was he able
Speaker 1: to DJ the show dj DJ? But he didn't. He didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't say nothing else to me for the rest
Speaker 1: of the tour.
Speaker 3: Oh he stayed on tour. Yeah, he stayed because you professional.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like, yeah, I want.
Speaker 1: We had to let him know.
Speaker 3: We gotta get this little dust uff going.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just had to. I just had to dust
Speaker 1: them up a little.
Speaker 3: It's called a friendly fade. Niggas have to get back
Speaker 3: to the.
Speaker 1: Friendly I mean. And you know, Jay, I, me and
Speaker 1: you were kind of like, we don't, we don't, we don't.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, I like, it takes
Speaker 1: a lot to really push me over there. But once
Speaker 1: you do that, there's no no, there's no turn.
Speaker 6: Off here because we didn't get into this to still
Speaker 6: be doing that, right. And I think that's the thing
Speaker 6: that a lot of cats don't understand. They try to
Speaker 6: take it from Oh I was such and such in
Speaker 6: the streets and i'mp and now I'm going to be
Speaker 6: this in the music business too, Like, so why did
Speaker 6: you get into this?
Speaker 3: Then?
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Like, now, if somebody pushes
Speaker 6: you to a point, we're all men, We're gonna protect
Speaker 6: ourselves and we got to handle our business.
Speaker 1: And that that is what it is, right.
Speaker 6: That's the part I never understood about where it becomes
Speaker 6: the bullying. And that's what I'm going to be in
Speaker 6: this space, right because could have left that ship over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: And that's why you've blasted so long in this space
Speaker 6: because you understand, like, Okay, it's some.
Speaker 3: Things I'm going to have to handle, but I'm not
Speaker 3: running around being.
Speaker 1: Up there right. No, does it make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Not even wearing who I was on my show.
Speaker 1: Your it's not good. It's not good for business.
Speaker 3: But that one, I like, let's just it was let's
Speaker 3: just get it on. Just yeah, and after we're done, cool?
Speaker 3: Were you good?
Speaker 1: You thought you thought something was different and you found
Speaker 1: out something wasn't you thought it was sweet on this
Speaker 1: side of the street.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he had to be saying something outland ship.
Speaker 1: He called me a bitch as no way, that's no
Speaker 1: way that he pulled that one out.
Speaker 3: What did you Doank?
Speaker 1: I just lost it man. Like I said, Bro, I'm
Speaker 1: very calm, and but once you get me on that side,
Speaker 1: if there's no turn.
Speaker 3: I've I've never imagined on this side somebody calling you that.
Speaker 3: I could never.
Speaker 1: I couldn't either, I've never That's the first time I've
Speaker 1: ever been called that. So that's why it just took
Speaker 1: me to the other side. I blacked I blacked out. Really,
Speaker 1: I was like, a DJ nigga call you that in
Speaker 1: front of Oh, come on, I could I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: know how to I couldn't even know how to live
Speaker 1: without living, leaving living, leaving there knowing that I let
Speaker 1: somebody that, Like, that's the whole that's total disrespect from everybody.
Speaker 1: Everybody's gonna disrespect you. Let the DJ call you that.
Speaker 1: Never So I beat them up pretty bad in front
Speaker 1: of him, the dancers and all of that, and that
Speaker 1: was it. You ever had a friendly frame.
Speaker 3: A bunch of friendly face. At a certain age, people
Speaker 3: just stop wanting to fight me.
Speaker 1: You you did.
Speaker 3: With It always starts with Bob, always started it somehow.
Speaker 1: I oh, you.
Speaker 3: Mean like we don't Yeah, yeah, but you know, and I.
Speaker 4: Always got to hear about nigga. You don't hear about
Speaker 4: Bob and Jack. It's always convenient that I'm never there.
Speaker 4: It's always when I'm never there, because.
Speaker 3: Then you know, niggas play hoop together again.
Speaker 4: It's funny because you've probably been around somebody that happened
Speaker 4: with But like you said, it's that was a moment.
Speaker 3: I never speak on that. We never gonna talk about that,
Speaker 3: like that ship that happened this dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me tell you something.
Speaker 3: I right know where this story goes.
Speaker 1: No you don't know what.
Speaker 6: No, you don't know where this one's going. He got
Speaker 6: somebody to give somebody a friendly faith.
Speaker 3: I know that story.
Speaker 1: See at the gym, I know that story. That was
Speaker 1: beyond vicious man, and it was all because of him.
Speaker 3: You know he was not because it was on that though.
Speaker 3: I take the blame. You take the blame because that's
Speaker 3: my friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're gonna let him I'm not the blank
Speaker 1: you with that ball.
Speaker 3: It's it's the equivalent. So you letting the DJ call you?
Speaker 1: Yo, you're gonna let that dude you with that ball?
Speaker 3: Oh man, it was I didn't even say that.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you said.
Speaker 3: I looked at it. Knock him though.
Speaker 1: You know the story story.
Speaker 3: I told the story by the people that were there,
Speaker 3: everyone that was there.
Speaker 1: So you might hear that story when yeah, your next
Speaker 1: knock him the fuck up. I remember that like it
Speaker 1: was yesterday, man, that niggas threw.
Speaker 4: The ball and it wasn't so much it wasn't. It
Speaker 4: was the way he looked at me. Oh, Jay, is
Speaker 4: the way Jason looked at me. Me, He looked at
Speaker 4: me it had it happened? He looked at me, said,
Speaker 4: and I said, it was almost like he wanted to
Speaker 4: let it slide. And he was looking to me to
Speaker 4: see if it was okay, okay.
Speaker 3: To not let it slide. And I said, not today, brother,
Speaker 3: fuck him up.
Speaker 1: You know that costs him a lot of money, Dude,
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Sue the hell out of her.
Speaker 3: That's not a friendly. That's not a friendly. That's not friendly.
Speaker 3: That wasn't really they didn't know each other. It wasn't
Speaker 3: cool like that friendly.
Speaker 1: Face is like, hey man, we got a mutual respect.
Speaker 3: We don't really want to hurt each other like that,
Speaker 3: but you know, let's go. Let's go take care. Then
Speaker 3: don't hit people in the face with basketballs on purpose.
Speaker 1: I don't do.
Speaker 3: And then sue. Wow mm hmmm. H For another part, brother,
Speaker 3: Terry Ross, Terry, like you are a brother and a friend.
Speaker 1: You are a.
Speaker 4: A name, You are an entity. You are an important
Speaker 4: piece to this whole university.
Speaker 6: We are all a part of a great father, great father,
Speaker 6: great father of that because that has to be spoken about, right,
Speaker 6: especially in what we do.
Speaker 3: This this this thing we do takes so much of
Speaker 3: our minds, of our time.
Speaker 6: So to say to yourself, I'm going to still be
Speaker 6: active and still like we've been in the gym together
Speaker 6: with our son, been at graduations, been at like I
Speaker 6: know about you going across the border to get your son.
Speaker 6: Have to go see it like these are things that
Speaker 6: a lot of people don't do for whatever reason. But
Speaker 6: for the guys that do, we always like to give
Speaker 6: them their flowers for being that.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: That's a that's a real thing, and that is going
Speaker 6: to last us longer than this ship is, you know
Speaker 6: what I mean. Would our kids become how they feel
Speaker 6: about us, how they you know, appreciate us, man, so
Speaker 6: and you know all your kids, man, you do so
Speaker 6: I gotta I gotta make sure I give you that,
Speaker 6: make sure that father the father, yea fathers.
Speaker 1: Important.
Speaker 3: Absolutely Well. We thank you, brother, We thank you for
Speaker 3: your time.
Speaker 1: Man. We appreciate you. I love what you got, the
Speaker 1: utmost respect for both of y'all. And this is I
Speaker 1: just love it.
Speaker 3: I love I love it and we'll see you this
Speaker 3: summer kind again. Understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ladies and gentlemen, Money is Tank and this is
Speaker 4: the R and B Money Podcast, the authority on all
Speaker 4: things R and B.
Speaker 3: I can't say enough about this brother man.
Speaker 4: He is who he is, and anytime you hear that name,
Speaker 4: respect it and appreciate it our brother Terry T. R.
Speaker 1: Ross. Yeah, appreciate it by
Speaker 4: Yeah