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Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeart Radio and

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Speaker 2: Welcome Home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: This is episode eleven of Native Land Pod and where

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Speaker 1: we give it to you here straight, no chaser. We

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Speaker 1: are your political group chat Tiffany Cross and Welcome home y'all.

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Speaker 2: What's going on? Coh a group chat now though, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: wead a political group chat. That's how we talk like.

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Speaker 2: People feel like they're part of the conversation.

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Speaker 3: I thought we were in I thought we were in

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Speaker 3: a living room on a couch, and then everybody else

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Speaker 3: is kind of just you know, in the room with us.

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Speaker 2: Well, we are an actual group chat. I gotta walk around.

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Speaker 1: We're back too, I get that too. We are so

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Speaker 1: we do for the viewers. We do have an actual

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Speaker 1: group chat. Where is the three of us and we

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Speaker 1: talk all day throughout the week.

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Speaker 2: But when we are here on this.

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Speaker 1: Podcast, we want you to feel like you're part of

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Speaker 1: our political group chat. Sou they're really I mean you guys,

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Speaker 1: tell me if you disagree. There really is no difference

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Speaker 1: in what we talk about or how we speak on

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Speaker 1: this podtrasts versus when we're.

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Speaker 2: Not on screen.

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Speaker 3: I used a couple of ninjas.

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Speaker 1: I might throw a tantrum here in there if angel

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Speaker 1: I will say this, If Angela does throw a tantrum,

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Speaker 1: it is on our.

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Speaker 3: Behalf, usually in advance of one of them.

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Speaker 2: That's how I feel. I've never felt don't you and

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Speaker 2: don't do that? Yeah, exactly. I love you, guys, exactly.

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Speaker 1: On this week's episode, we're going to talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about political violence. This ain't nothing new to black folks,

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Speaker 1: but a lot of folks were talking about it, and

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Speaker 1: so we went a weigh in with that as well,

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Speaker 1: but also a more important issue, we're going to take

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into you guys. Remember how Republicans were

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Speaker 1: patting themselves on the back talking all about the First

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Speaker 1: Step Act. Well, this week the Supreme Court felt a

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Speaker 1: fatal blow to a key piece of the First Step Act.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to get into that on this show.

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Speaker 1: And what would we be without your viewer questions? So

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Speaker 1: we're going to be tackling all your viewer questions. I

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Speaker 1: can't wait to hear them. We'd like to be surprised,

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Speaker 1: so we hear them in the moment. And I know

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Speaker 1: many of you have been waiting with baited breath for

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Speaker 1: my take on March madness.

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Speaker 2: Don't let you down.

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Speaker 1: We are going to get into that as well, and

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Speaker 1: the words of Migos, let's walk it like we talk it.

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Speaker 2: Give me that beat.

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Speaker 1: Before we kick off this week's show, I do want

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Speaker 1: to turn it over to my amazingly brilliant colleague, Angela,

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Speaker 1: who is so smart off the dome. But she does

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Speaker 1: have something that she wants to address from last weeks show. Angela,

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Speaker 1: what you got?

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Speaker 2: I messed up, y'all. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 4: So last week we were in this very heated discussion

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Speaker 4: about executive powers to pardon. There are many states where

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Speaker 4: the executive does contain that power to pardon individuals, but

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Speaker 4: in Georgia, they do have a five member board that

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Speaker 4: is appointed. My nose is about to run in this moment,

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Speaker 4: but I'll get through this. And it's not because I'm

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Speaker 4: crying because I'm wrong, although that is likely as well.

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Speaker 4: But they have a five member board. They are appointed.

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Speaker 4: They can determine men that someone should be pardoned, but

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Speaker 4: it is only after they serve a portion of their sentence.

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Speaker 2: So I apologize for the misinformation.

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Speaker 4: We definitely try really hard to be factually accurate, So

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Speaker 4: I apologize for that we are moving right along.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony flat.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll just say this, You're a brilliant, brilliant person,

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Speaker 3: and I appreciate your willingness to clarify this. But you know,

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Speaker 3: for the viewers, I just want you to know we

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Speaker 3: deal with a lot of this stuff. As we're in

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Speaker 3: the conversation. I can't predict what Angela is gonna say

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Speaker 3: or Tip's gonna say, and so it requires really being

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Speaker 3: at the ready. But apology accept it if that's what thinks.

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Speaker 4: You know what Andrew for that, I just want to

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Speaker 2: Think.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can I just tell them you they keep harassing

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Speaker 1: me because you guys can't see this, but on their

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Speaker 1: when they make a heart motion with their hands, they can't.

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Speaker 1: They won't see it on this feed like all these hearts,

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Speaker 2: Come through on their screen.

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Speaker 1: They can do fireworks and I have a pre gentrified

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Speaker 1: these effects, and they keep going it in my face

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Speaker 1: and their big fancy gingrified penthouses of what they do.

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Speaker 2: Poorly resource speed.

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Speaker 1: I ain't got no fireworks, no hard We'll put this

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Speaker 1: up on a social clip. So y'all can see what

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Speaker 1: I'm talking, but I'm left out anyway, Moving right.

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Speaker 5: Along, China now is building a couple of massive plants

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Speaker 5: where they're going to build the cars in Mexico. And

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Speaker 5: think they think that they're going to sell those cars

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Speaker 5: into the United States. You're going to not hire Americans

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Speaker 5: and you're going to sell the cars. Now, We're going

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Speaker 5: to put a one tower on every single car that

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Speaker 5: able to sell those cars if I get elected. Now,

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Speaker 5: if I don't get elected, it's going to be a

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Speaker 5: blood bath for the whole that's going to be the

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Speaker 5: least of it. It's going to be a blood bath

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Speaker 5: for the country that'll be the least of it.

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Speaker 1: All Right, So the reason why we're playing that sound,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys heard this sound a lot in

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Speaker 1: the echo chambers, and we wanted to weigh in here

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Speaker 1: because political violence is definitely not something that's new to

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Speaker 1: our community.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Donald Trump's.

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Speaker 1: People have said that he was talking about the economy

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Speaker 1: when he says that, But why might we think that

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Speaker 1: he was inciting political violence? And we're not here to

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Speaker 1: say what he was saying we want you all to decide.

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Speaker 1: But the reason why we might think that, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to some of his previous violent rhetoric.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I'll do the fighting myself or

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Speaker 5: if other people will. Maybe he should have been roughed up,

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Speaker 5: because it was absolutely disgusting what he was doing. If

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Speaker 5: you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock

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Speaker 5: the crap out of him, would you, seriously, I'd like

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Speaker 5: to punch him in the face. I'll tell you try

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Speaker 5: not to hurt him. If you do, I'll defend you

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Speaker 5: in court.

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Speaker 6: Don't worry about him.

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Speaker 5: In the good old days, this doesn't happen because they

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Speaker 5: used to treat them very, very rough, and when they

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Speaker 3: Not do it again.

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Speaker 6: So easily we've become weak. We become weak, and you

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Speaker 6: know what, the audience swung back, and I thought it

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Speaker 6: was very very appropriate. The audience hit back, And that's

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Speaker 5: Part of the problem, and part of the reason it

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Speaker 5: takes so long, is nobody wants to hurt each other anymore.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I would have done well, but

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Speaker 5: I would have been out there fighting folks. I don't

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Speaker 5: have been boom boom boom up beat.

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Speaker 7: Do you plan on paying for the legal fees of

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Speaker 7: this older gentleman in North Carolina who sucker punched the protester?

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Speaker 7: From what I understand, he was sick sticking a certain

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Speaker 7: finger up in the air, and that is a terrible

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Speaker 7: thing to do, and in front of somebody that frankly

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Speaker 7: wants to see America made great again. It's possible you

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Speaker 7: could help him with legal fees if this man needs it.

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Speaker 7: I've actually instructed my people to look into it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I want to think Mashable offer that clip as

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Speaker 1: they collected the various times that Donald Trump actually has

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Speaker 1: unquestionably call for violence. So, Andrew, you were a candidate,

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Speaker 1: you were on on the trail, Come on, what do

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Speaker 1: you make of this kind of the response necessary?

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Speaker 3: Could you imagine if I was running for governor to

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Speaker 3: state of Florida and just sort of let it flip? Now,

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Speaker 3: I get he may have meant something different in one context,

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Speaker 3: But but you just showed the video Mashable. You know,

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Speaker 3: Mashable's video of repeated times. I mean, I remember back

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Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, the brother walking up those stairs and

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Speaker 3: one on him, and then Trump, you know, take it easy.

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Speaker 3: But if you got to go to court, you know

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Speaker 3: you're in the in the video, I'll defend you. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The truth is all his supporters have been the ones

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Speaker 3: defending him in court and all of his legal fees.

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Speaker 3: But the political violence that this man insights, I can

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Speaker 3: understand how it could very easily be construed that, you

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Speaker 3: know that he's saying that if he loses the election,

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Speaker 3: it'll be a blood bath, and that relating to something

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Speaker 3: like a January sixth style deal. Now, I also received

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Speaker 3: that that wasn't the context of at least a sentence

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Speaker 3: signals to us every day how dangerous he is. And

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Speaker 3: I'm just not sure what infuriates me is I'm no

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Speaker 3: longer surprised by anything he does. I am, however, dumbfounded

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Speaker 3: how it is that his supporters are so irresistibly unmovable, unshakable,

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Speaker 3: and dying in their loyalty to this dude.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not surprised, honestly, And my issue with this

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Speaker 1: Angela is you worked on Capitol Hill, so you know

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Speaker 1: there are over thirty law enforcement agencies here who you

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Speaker 1: know addressed January sixth. That is not the case for

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Speaker 1: Whitmer in the attempted kidnapping plot against her before. We

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Speaker 1: know political violence all too well. You know, from the

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Speaker 1: summer of nineteen nineteen the state sanctioned violence. So this

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Speaker 1: is not something when we hear this kind of rhetoric,

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Speaker 1: it makes me nervous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are several things.

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Speaker 4: One is anytime I hear him say anything that sounds

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Speaker 4: remotely violent, it just is very triggering because to your point,

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Speaker 4: I did work on Capitol Hill, and on January sixth,

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Speaker 4: I was frantic trying to find all my loved ones,

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Speaker 4: my people, my chosen family on the hill. And I

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Speaker 4: think if you don't have that context and you don't

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Speaker 4: know what it's like to you know, I can't find Latrese,

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Speaker 4: who worked for the Speaker.

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Speaker 2: I haven't talked to Hope.

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Speaker 4: I'm texting Congressman Thompson and Congressman Carson and Congressman Batty

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Speaker 4: and Vince to make sure you know every not Vince,

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Speaker 4: Vince wasn't there yet, but making sure everyone was good.

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Speaker 2: It was Kyle.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing that I would say is it's

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Speaker 4: maddening to me that folks think, like, oh, he's a

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Speaker 4: good guy, we just take it out of context. He's

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Speaker 4: been doing this since he you know, got a full

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Speaker 4: page I add out in three New York papers against

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Speaker 4: then what was the Central Park five, but now we

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Speaker 4: City council member. He's been doing this, calling for the

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Speaker 4: death penalty, you know, calling Colin Kaepernick s ob like.

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Speaker 2: These are the things that he does, and he functions

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Speaker 2: as his own wing.

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Speaker 4: Of Russian disinformation and misinformation by like tapping on the

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Speaker 4: pressure points that exist that are divides between us and them.

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Speaker 4: And I think that is what makes me upset. The

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Speaker 4: other thing that's really frustrating is, as you know, we

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Speaker 4: started this show with a fact check, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 2: Sanctioned hit job, but not that you're paying for.

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Speaker 3: And we're paying for it, and the person, the people

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think what you both have brought up too

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Speaker 1: So big news out of the Supreme Court this week.

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Speaker 2: This is essentially a blow to the First Step Act.

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Speaker 4: Is yes, Actually, the majority opinion in the Pulsifer versus

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Speaker 1: Well I just misspoke when I said leading the dissent

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the main issue is the safety valve requirement. Pulsifer

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Speaker 4: Kagan's opinion. The majority opinion decided that all of those

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Speaker 2: I apologize. There's also a surprise.

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Speaker 4: Justice Soda Mayor expected Justice Katanji Brown Jackson expected Neil

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Speaker 4: Gorsich led the descent, and that is a Trump appointee.

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Speaker 4: And so I'm curious to understand why there was any

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Speaker 4: descent here at all. That it's clear that if you

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Speaker 4: take away the oars, then you take away the discretion

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Speaker 4: of the judge, which is the entire point of the

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Speaker 4: First Step Act Andrew.

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Speaker 1: All fifty states in DC have mandatory minimum laws. This

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Speaker 1: has also led to the overpopulation of prisons. Angelie, you

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Speaker 1: know know the folks over at Rock Nation, they've done

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Speaker 1: some great work on holding the line on Parchment prison.

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Speaker 1: Great documentary by the way, You guy should check it

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Speaker 1: out if you haven't. But this is let Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: the name of the documentary, Exposing Parchment. Yes, so please

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Speaker 1: check that out. It's an amazing guy. It's hard to

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Speaker 1: get through, but it's necessary. But consider how they have

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Speaker 1: funneled so many black people, disproportionately black men and boys

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Speaker 1: into these prisons. This is a devastating policy that is

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Speaker 1: bringing back. The pendulum is swinging and I'm concerned when

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Speaker 1: you have somebody like Ron DeSantis heading a state, andrew

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Speaker 1: about what happens in Florida, you just talk to us

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Speaker 1: about people being arrested for voting.

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Speaker 3: This is very and it's the truth is is that

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Speaker 3: there are more dysanticists who don't get as much press,

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Speaker 3: who are in these executive positions, really all across the country.

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Speaker 3: And while people like Donald Trump are loud and proud

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Speaker 3: and big distraction, we sometimes those of us on the

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Speaker 3: consumer side of the information, you know, we make it

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Speaker 3: out to be about Trump did this, Trump did that.

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Speaker 3: But please know that when these kinds of decisions come down,

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Speaker 3: I attribute Trump to them as well. When we have

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Speaker 3: governors who show out like Rohn de Santis does, he's

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Speaker 3: as much of a threat to democracy as we deem

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Speaker 3: Trump to be a threat to democracy. And this the

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Speaker 3: decision here always causes me to think about, well, who

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Speaker 3: are the bedfellows here? Who are the who are the

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Speaker 3: people who stand the most to gain when you keep

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Speaker 3: more people locked up and keep people locked up longer. Well,

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Speaker 3: you got the prison industrial complex, the folks who are

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Speaker 3: building these things, the caterers who provide the meals in

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Speaker 3: these respective prisons. When you let when you let more

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Speaker 3: people out and fewer people are serving crimes for what

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Speaker 3: are most folks? And I believe you got sound from

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Speaker 3: the Vice president talking about folks being criminalized in spending

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Speaker 3: time in prison for marijuana. You've got folks spending time

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Speaker 3: in prison who have never been convicted found guilty of

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Speaker 3: a crime. In fact, in most local jails, in prisons,

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Speaker 3: that's the majority population. They're awaiting their time before a

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Speaker 3: judge and a jury. And while they're there, we're keeping

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Speaker 3: somebody in business. So I always like to think, follow

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Speaker 3: the money. Who stands to benefit Who at the intersection

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Speaker 3: of this stands to benefit the most by putting more

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Speaker 3: people in prison and keeping in prison, keeping people in

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Speaker 3: prison longer, because certainly isn't it isn't the greater community,

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Speaker 3: greater society, because the more person is in prison and

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Speaker 3: for the longer period of time they come out, and

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Speaker 3: they tend to re offend. Those who never make their

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Speaker 3: way to prison. Yeah, don't come into contact for these

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Speaker 3: petty violations as a young person. They don't return, right,

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Speaker 3: they don't go back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I was a big deal.

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Speaker 1: In Maryland, Mosby and Baltimore stopped prosecuting low level crimes. Again,

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Speaker 1: she was disrupting a system, and we've talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about what happened to her. We'll have more on that

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Speaker 1: at the end of the show, so stick around. But Andrew,

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Speaker 1: I'm really happy you brought up Vice President Kamala Harris

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Speaker 1: because I want to play two sound bites from her.

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Speaker 1: The first, I think, if we're talking about this problem,

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Speaker 1: it is important to highlight what the executive branch at

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Speaker 1: different branch of government outside the judiciary, but what the

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Speaker 1: executive branch has done to try to correct some of

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Speaker 1: these things at the federal level. So let's take a

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Speaker 1: listen to what she had to say at a roundtable

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Speaker 1: she hosted this month.

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Speaker 8: I believe that the promise of America includes equal justice

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Speaker 8: under the law, and for too many, our criminal justice

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Speaker 8: system has failed to live up to that core principle.

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Speaker 8: And I say that with full knowledge of how this

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Speaker 8: system has worked, including my experience as a prosecutor. The

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Speaker 8: President and I have addressed inequities through implementation of long

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Speaker 8: overdue criminal justice reforms. For example, we have at the

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Speaker 8: fee level band choke holds, we have restricted no knock warrants,

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Speaker 8: and created the first effort database to track misconduct by

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Speaker 8: law enforcement. This is critically important that last piece. The

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Speaker 8: first pieces may be obvious, but as we know, all

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Speaker 8: too often we have seen examples of where a police

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Speaker 8: officer has been found to have committed misconduct in one.

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Speaker 2: Region, but then can move to another region.

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Speaker 9: And that record does not follow that individual, and then

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Speaker 9: of course the same behavior repeats itself. So the fact

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Speaker 9: that we have made a commitment to having that kind

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Speaker 9: of database is really very significant in the push toward

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Speaker 9: ensuring that we have justice in the criminal justice system.

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Speaker 9: We have also been focused.

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Speaker 1: On re entry, reentry, reentryent right on target with you, Andrew,

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Speaker 1: and in.

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Speaker 3: The record, not following a mistake, not following you for

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Speaker 3: the rest of your life. So take for instance, when

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Speaker 3: I was in municipal government, and I know a number

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Speaker 3: of them did this around the country and the President Biden,

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Speaker 3: President Obama, Champion. This is the whole banning of the

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Speaker 3: box right where you go in you apply for a job,

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Speaker 3: you get measured on your merits. How do you stand

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Speaker 3: up against the qualities and the qualifications that meet this

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Speaker 3: particular job. We're not going to ask you about your

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Speaker 3: criminal history on the application, because we're going to get

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Speaker 3: you in there if you qualify to measure you against

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Speaker 3: the position that you're applying for. And my city we

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Speaker 3: did that, and then we looked at criminal history after

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Speaker 3: a decision was made by the hiring person that that

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Speaker 3: was the candidate they wanted, and so then they would

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Speaker 3: look at the criminal history and determine if the crime

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Speaker 3: that was committed is in squares with the person that

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Speaker 3: I interviewed and that I measured from their employment contract,

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Speaker 3: employment application, and make a decision that's full of more

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Speaker 3: than just one bad decision that a person has made

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Speaker 3: in their life, and and they're kicked out. And the

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Speaker 3: problem with this, the at on the first Step Act

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Speaker 3: is most everything that gets taken away from the individual

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Speaker 3: as a result of having had a criminal offense, deal

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Speaker 3: with their ability to live, to survive, food stamps, federal

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Speaker 3: housing gets taken away. You can't get any federal subsidy

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Speaker 3: for any of the food based programs that exist. You

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Speaker 3: get unemployment, you get stricten from being able to compete

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Speaker 3: for certain jobs. I understand the whole need for you know,

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Speaker 3: you take to certain travel, you know, restrictions of that

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Speaker 3: kind of thing. I don't get how you take a

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Speaker 3: person who is getting out of the system, who's trying

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Speaker 3: to make their lives better. What sens does it make

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Speaker 3: to then restrict them from housing and restrict them from

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Speaker 3: food support that they need to live, and then restrict

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Speaker 3: them from the ability to work so that they can

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Speaker 3: provide for themselves and they don't have to default back

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Speaker 3: into a life of criminality. And I just think the

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Speaker 3: system doesn't make sense because it says one thing on

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Speaker 3: one hand and then erects law barriers preventions that keep

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Speaker 3: you from doing the thing that we say we want

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Speaker 3: you to be able to do, which is be upright,

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Speaker 3: upstanding and provide for yourself.

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Speaker 4: But if the system were going to follow how it's

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Speaker 4: set up to work, you know, going back to this

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Speaker 4: First Step Act case with Pulsifer, it's a very easy fix.

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Speaker 4: Congress can say to the Supreme Court what it intended

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Speaker 4: by amending the First Step Act and clarifying that the

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Speaker 4: end was in fact an ore. And while they're at it,

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Speaker 4: it would be great if they could run that thing

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Speaker 4: back eleven years and do voting rights, you know, like

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Speaker 4: there's we've been waiting for them to revise and fix

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Speaker 4: Shelby versus Holder since then, and we clearly need that

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Speaker 4: because we see that the Supreme Court generally is not

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Speaker 4: going to be on the side of the people, particularly

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Speaker 4: those who find themselves the most marginalized, despite all of

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Speaker 4: our significant contributions to the building of this country. So

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Speaker 4: it is really really frustrating to see that you would

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Speaker 4: take away the discretion of the judicial branch when you,

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Speaker 4: in fact are writing the opinion for the judicial branch

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Speaker 4: and putting folks who are non violent offenders, non violent

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Speaker 4: drug offenses on their record, and this is what you

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Speaker 4: just this is how you decide to come down on them.

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Speaker 2: It's really it's appalling. Unfortunately.

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Speaker 10: The other, of course, was the just really quick for

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Speaker 10: Andrew Shelby the holder, was the twenty thirteen ruling that

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Speaker 10: gut it section three of the Voting Rights Act that

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Speaker 10: essentially anti history thank you four and five, but essentially

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Speaker 10: gave states the control over how they oversaw elections.

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Speaker 2: And that's how you got legislation like you can't give somebody.

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Speaker 1: A bottle of water while they're waiting in line, which

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Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Andrew, whatever you're going to say next, I

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Speaker 1: want you to toss to a Vice President Harris a

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Speaker 1: sound bite when you're done.

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Speaker 3: No, let's let's let's let's hear from the Vice President,

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Speaker 3: because I think she's really finding and seeding her voice

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Speaker 3: more deeply, I think in this criminal justice reform, and

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Speaker 3: she's got the kind of resume as a former prosecutor

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Speaker 3: I think to withstand the kind of scrutiny that would

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Speaker 3: normally come from I don't know an African American saying

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Speaker 3: we need criminal justice reform.

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Speaker 1: Well, they should talk about what they have done. And

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Speaker 1: this is an area where this is something they haven't done,

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Speaker 1: and I think they need to and it's the area

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Speaker 1: near and dear to my heart hear.

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Speaker 3: I know what this is.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: We have gathered.

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Speaker 8: Today, however, to address specifically the injustices that we have

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Speaker 8: seen in the federal marijuana policy. I have said many

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Speaker 8: times I believe, I think we all bot this table

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Speaker 8: believe nobody should have to go to jail for smoking weed.

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Speaker 8: And what we need to do is recognize that far

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Speaker 8: too many people have been sent to jail for simple

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Speaker 8: marijuana possession, and the impact is such that in particular,

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Speaker 8: Black Americans and Latinos are four times more likely, four

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Speaker 8: times more likely to be arrested arrested for marijuana possession,

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Speaker 8: and the disparity is even larger when you talk about

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Speaker 8: the subset of black men and Latino matt.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say, guys, this is a huge problem for me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why this is considered. Uh, what is it?

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Speaker 1: Angela class It's a class a classy class a drug

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Speaker 1: in the same category as Angela's fact checking me. But

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Speaker 1: it's in the same category as heroin, as cocaine.

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Speaker 2: I don't mind telling you, guys. If you met me,

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Speaker 2: you already know this.

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Speaker 1: I am a consumer of marijuana and marijuana products.

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Speaker 2: I'm not a.

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Speaker 1: Huge Some people go home and have a glass of wine,

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Speaker 1: people go out, and you know, this is something that

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Speaker 1: I do. And the fact that it has been so criminalized,

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Speaker 1: but it's not even about me. Marijuana is legal in

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Speaker 1: thirty eight states. It is revenue generating in many municipalities.

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Speaker 1: It is California has is a huge tax on marijuana

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Speaker 1: in California. But this is something to me that I

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Speaker 1: think not be criminalized and I don't understand why it is.

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Speaker 2: And there's yes, and I will say this.

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people who work on Capitol Hill,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people who worked in different administrations, and

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Speaker 1: I know more who smoke than those I don't, and

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Speaker 1: so even having it as its class, it's like you're

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Speaker 1: actually eliminating a huge talent pool of people who you know,

657
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Speaker 1: have to mark on the box that yeah, I smoke sometimes,

658
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Speaker 1: and it's just not fair.

659
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Speaker 4: It's schedule one ante, Yeah, schedule one, same as cocaine,

660
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Speaker 4: heroin and others. I think the thing just to go

661
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Speaker 4: back to what Kamalo was just talking about, Vice President

662
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Speaker 4: Harris just talking about, she said, no one should have

663
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Speaker 4: to go to jail for smoking weed, No one should

664
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Speaker 4: have to go to jail for eating it, no one

665
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: should have to go to jail for selling it. I

666
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 4: think like this is like we're at a pin point

667
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 4: now where we have to actually eliminate the disparities that exist.

668
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Speaker 4: There are folks who caught cases for also selling weed,

669
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Speaker 4: but now there are white folks who were able to

670
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Speaker 4: build big brands I don't know, like medmen they're not

671
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 4: a sponsor in this podcast, who are making handover fist

672
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: in ways where folks sold a fraction of what they sold.

673
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Speaker 4: And so my thing is you actually actually also have

674
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 4: to go a step further. It's not just about the

675
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Speaker 4: folks that smoke. It's the folks who were trying to

676
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Speaker 4: make ends meet selling weed and now they're locked up.

677
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Speaker 4: I would go another step further and say, if it's

678
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Speaker 4: any non violent drug offender, including Mark Polsaffer from the

679
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 4: Supreme Court case, they probably should be shouldn't be catching

680
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 4: time like that, Like, we've got to figure out something

681
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Speaker 4: else for folks who are non violent offenders.

682
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Speaker 2: We really do. This is supposed to be about rehabilitation.

683
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Speaker 1: This is where prosecutors play a key role. Because we've

684
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Speaker 1: told you prosecutors decide what cases to bring, what charges

685
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: to bring, or what charges to not bring. And I've

686
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: heard from more than one prosecutor they say, look, if

687
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Speaker 1: you don't have the drug kingpin, i'm arrested, then turn

688
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: the person you have into the drug kingpin. Because they

689
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: are politically ambitious people sometimes who are trying to inflate

690
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Speaker 1: their own career and so they want to turn the

691
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Speaker 1: little you know, double back boy into Avon Barksdale at times.

692
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Speaker 1: And uh so we can't be mad at you know,

693
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Speaker 1: black women who take up these roles and use that

694
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Speaker 1: role to help eradicate the criminal justice system that has

695
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Speaker 1: been very punishing towards life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean and Angela, your point around the just

697
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Speaker 3: just the contradiction that we have set up in the

698
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: system where just because we've evolved as society now the big, big,

699
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Speaker 3: big boxes that are coming in with marijuana that they're

700
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 3: there there their penalty is profit. But for the for

701
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,360
Speaker 3: the folks who are in our neighborhoods and on the

702
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 3: corners and are in many ways trying to to to

703
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 3: get access to the basic means for survival for themselves

704
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: and for the people who they love and care about.

705
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Speaker 3: I know this because I had a brother and rather

706
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: relatives who found themselves in that game. They're not only

707
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: not out of jail, they're serving these sentences. They are

708
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 3: scarred for the rest of their lives because they've always

709
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: got to say that they've got this as part of

710
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,720
Speaker 3: their record as their background. And folks are making judgments

711
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 3: about what they can and cannot do. No voting, no

712
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 3: passports to travel internationally, no ability to serve on a jury.

713
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: You got to go before this governor and ask for

714
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Speaker 3: your ability to vote ever again, and your future not.

715
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Speaker 4: Eligible for student aid either, I think.

716
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Speaker 3: Student no federal programs whatsoever. So it's a walking, breathing contradiction,

717
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Speaker 3: and the only difference between those folks in these.

718
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Speaker 10: Is what.

719
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Speaker 3: By and large largely the color of their skin. Who

720
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Speaker 3: sits at the intersection of the impact, and we're carrying

721
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Speaker 3: in our community a heavy burden that lasts a long

722
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Speaker 3: as time.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you brought up a good point, Andrew

724
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Speaker 1: about the jury pool, because then you consider how many

725
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: people get eliminated from the jury pool, and that's how

726
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Speaker 1: you have things like all white juries and certain municipals fo.

727
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Speaker 3: To never get considered in right, they never get.

728
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Speaker 2: That's what I mean.

729
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, so you are really not judged by a

730
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Speaker 1: jury of your peers if you're overly criminalized and then

731
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Speaker 1: you know, summarily dismissed from participating in basic functions of

732
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Speaker 1: society over a jay And in my gentrified ass neighborhood,

733
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Speaker 1: I see white boys walking down the street all the time,

734
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Speaker 1: puffing and passing all day long, and I just think

735
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Speaker 1: about man thirty years ago, this would this would have

736
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Speaker 1: been a huge challenge if these were black folks. There

737
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Speaker 1: are people who serve gave up decades of their life

738
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Speaker 1: for things like this.

739
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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I would just like to register my problem with some

741
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Speaker 3: of the criminal justice reform as we pursue it. It

742
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: seems like we only go in on criminal justice reform

743
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: when it comes to the sentencing and when somebody then

744
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 3: is incarcerated, conditions for incarcerations, so on and so forth.

745
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Speaker 3: And my my critique is that the process of justice

746
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Speaker 3: reform starts before that point. In the federal system, we

747
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 3: got grand juries in all fifty states, and if a

748
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: grand jury hands down an indictment, that person is as

749
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: good as gone. And states of the fifty states, twenty

750
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 3: five out of fifty have grand juries. And when those

751
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: grand juries decide to indict, that person is as good

752
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: as gone, either through their trial where they may be

753
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 3: found guilty, or because they don't want to risk that

754
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 3: they plea out, which is most times the case that

755
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: happens between the attorneys, the prosecutors, and the defendants. And

756
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Speaker 3: I'm simply saying, if the if the state or the

757
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 3: federal government lose if their case is not proven. Why

758
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: is it that the government never has to pay the

759
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: legal bills of the folks that they took to task.

760
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Speaker 2: Why is it that's some legislation you should get injured.

761
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 3: That's rare. Why is it the prosecutor ever held accountable

762
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 3: for telling false statements to a grand jury in pursuit

763
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Speaker 3: of an indict man. In the civil side, I can't

764
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Speaker 3: say I'm on sue Tiffany because she took an idea

765
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Speaker 3: of mine and ran with it. If I bring that

766
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Speaker 3: suit against you, Tiffany, and I lose, you have the

767
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 3: ability to your judgment to come after me, get your

768
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 3: legal fees and any other damages that you've incurred as

769
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Speaker 3: a result of me coming after you. Faulty. That same burden, however,

770
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 3: doesn't exist for the government, and it's an unit's an

771
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Speaker 3: it's an outweighted system. And when we talk about reform,

772
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: we ought to be reforming every single aspect of criminal

773
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Speaker 3: justice law. If justice is blind, make it blind from

774
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 3: the beginning until the end of the process. And that

775
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: doesn't exist, and we got to incorporate that more and

776
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 3: our conversations around criminal justice reform.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to fact check myself, Lolo synth this as

778
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Speaker 4: of July one, twenty twenty three, drug convictions no longer

779
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Speaker 4: affect federal student Aida village eligibility. Okay, so that student AGA.

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Speaker 4: I didn't just I just said about the student aid.

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to clarify. I don't want here next

782
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Speaker 4: week toalking about part ding.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I get it. I'm just saying food and shelter

784
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Speaker 3: Maslow's hierarchy needs. That's number one safety security, food shelter.

785
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Speaker 2: Yes, I am not arguing there. I agree.

786
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Speaker 3: I know, I know, I know, I know. Friend, I'm just.

787
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Speaker 1: Saying all the first step back because a second step

788
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: is needed, and a lot of this policy rest at

789
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: the state and local level, so there's a lot more

790
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: work to do on criminal justice reform. We're gonna take

791
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: a quick break, pay some bills. But when we come back,

792
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: in the words Codis Blow, we are playing talking really

793
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: basketbamb If you old enough, remember Curtis Blow, check it out.

794
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Speaker 2: We'll see you on the other side of this break.

795
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Speaker 1: All right, for you old enough folks, Curtis Blow saying

796
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: it's time to talk bassket ball.

797
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Speaker 2: Of course you do, all right. I hope you don't

798
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 2: have to forgive my.

799
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Speaker 1: My lacking, forgive my my lacking and singing abilities. But

800
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Speaker 1: I think this is so cool because as a sports

801
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: officionado and people are constantly asking my opinion on these

802
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: type things. I think it's amazing that women's basketball in

803
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: March Madness, the women's brackets are becoming just as popular

804
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: as the men's baskets. I will say in full transparency.

805
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: Angela reminded me that March Madness is college basketball, not

806
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: the w NBA, as if a sports expert like me

807
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: needed to be reminded of that too.

808
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 2: But I got it. But I am.

809
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Speaker 1: I honestly am thrilled our friend Aaron Haynes with the

810
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: nineteenth It is like super into women's basketball. And so

811
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Speaker 1: Angela and I and our group of friends the MACHETI

812
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: shout out to you guys. We all went to Paris

813
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: in the fall to support It was two black women,

814
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Speaker 1: Don Staley and I forget the other coach's name, forgive

815
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Speaker 1: me from Notre Dame, Notre Day, Yes, but they were

816
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: playing in a basketball exhibition game in Paris, and I

817
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 1: had so much fun.

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00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: I thought it was amazing.

819
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Speaker 1: So Kandice Parker recently waighed in with her thoughts on

820
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: women's basketball and women's sports really getting more attention.

821
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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to her and then we'll talk

822
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: about it. On the other side.

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Speaker 12: I think now people are realizing how important and how

824
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 12: exciting it is to watch women's sports. And you know,

825
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 12: we've been on this train for a long time, and

826
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Speaker 12: now I understand people get on at different times, but

827
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Speaker 12: to be a part of women's basketball at this point,

828
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Speaker 12: to see the excitement, the outcomes, just even in conference tournaments,

829
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Speaker 12: to see what it did last year, I think it's

830
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Speaker 12: just truly special. And I think it's just a sports

831
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Speaker 12: fan like as a sports fan, being able to pick

832
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Speaker 12: the winner in both brackets. Men have had it all along.

833
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 12: Women now are getting in and I think we're taking

834
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Speaker 12: advantage of it. I mean, look at the ratings, get

835
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Speaker 12: social media, look at the five.

836
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Speaker 11: It's called the athleticism that the women do. So this season,

837
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Speaker 11: most eyes have been on Caitlin Clark. Where does she

838
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Speaker 11: stack up in terms of the rankings, because I said,

839
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Speaker 11: you can't underestimate don Staley.

840
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Speaker 12: Listen, I think South Carolina on Staley and what she

841
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 12: has done at South Carolina.

842
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: I know my team.

843
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 12: Yeah, she likes rubbing it in a lot, but what

844
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 12: she's done back to back undefeated seasons in the regular

845
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 12: season is just ridiculous. Yeah, she in your final four,

846
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Speaker 12: she is in my final four.

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Speaker 1: I just I'm excited to see it. Really, I don't

848
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Speaker 1: know about the brackets.

849
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Speaker 2: Do y'all have brackets. Are y'all playing in this March madness?

850
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: I definitely will.

851
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Speaker 4: I have not completed my bracket yet, but I do

852
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Speaker 4: have to do a shameless plug here really quick for

853
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 4: our good sister Jamel Hill.

854
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: She just wrote a piece.

855
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Speaker 4: On what Caitlin Clark's fans are missing in the Atlantic,

856
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 4: and I love it because it really highlights the role

857
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 4: that black women have played in basketball and are very

858
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 4: regularly not recognized for all of our contributions. And also

859
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:44,919
Speaker 4: to that point, we want to say her name. Neil

860
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Speaker 4: Ivy from Notre Dame is the coach that Tiff referenced earlier.

861
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Speaker 4: But I just think we oftentimes are not given the

862
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,479
Speaker 4: full credit that we deserve. I know we talked about

863
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 4: paid disparity earlier Tiff, but now with NIL, they're kind

864
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: of leveling the playing field. You see folks like Angel

865
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Speaker 4: Rehies making a killing because of NIL, and I do

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Speaker 4: want to quickly. I know we're talking women's basketball, but

867
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Speaker 4: I just want to acknowledge Juwan Howard, who was just

868
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 4: told by the University of Michigan that he would be

869
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 4: relieved of his coaching duties, and I think it's such

870
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 4: a shame that they would do that the year that

871
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 4: he had an open heart surgery. The team definitely had

872
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: a tough season, but Juwan's contributions along with the significance

873
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 4: of what the Fab five has meant to Michigan in

874
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 4: terms of resources, time, effort, and the ways in which

875
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 4: they've showed up for Juwan overall, this was the first

876
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 4: reunion they've had and they didn't even let that thing

877
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 4: write out, and so it's a shame, especially at the

878
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 4: hands of a black athletic director. I do have other

879
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 4: things to say about black women.

880
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: Well, oftentimes under directions of presidents and boards of trustees

881
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 3: and you know how that process.

882
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, but he has some discretion. I didn't even know

883
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 4: that Angeles. Yeah, it really really is awful. So I

884
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 4: am sending love to Juwan and Jeanine. They have a

885
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 4: son who is in the NBA now another son who

886
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 4: plays for that team. It's just a really disappointing way

887
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 4: to see the season end. But for women, I will

888
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 4: say it was such a joy to support two black

889
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 4: women coaches in Paris. As Tip talked about, to watch

890
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 4: the many ways in which the sport has changed. I'm

891
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 4: watching young boys like running after women players to get

892
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 4: autographs and it is dope. I was super hyped knowing

893
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 4: that Juju Watkins, for example, was leaving high school and

894
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 4: going to the University of Southern California, and she's been

895
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: killing it. Watching the center Camilla Cardozo, who's from Brazil,

896
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: who made a three pointer at the end of a

897
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 4: game won the game for Dawn just a couple of

898
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 4: weeks ago. It has been a joy to watch the sports.

899
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: And I hate to say it, y'all, but the boys

900
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 4: are a little boring. The girls got it going on

901
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,240
Speaker 4: this time. So I can't wait to fill out my bracket.

902
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 4: And I'm kind of boycotting boys or men's basketball NCAA

903
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 4: style because of what happened with Jawan.

904
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 2: I'm mad. Yeah, I don't like that. Can I copy

905
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: your bracket or does everybody?

906
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 4: I'm definitely going to make you do your lie, Like

907
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 4: how do you how ome bracket? You can bet twenty

908
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 4: dollars tip not to know it's not too okay.

909
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: So it's really and it's with you and somebody like

910
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: if I did a bracket, you can have.

911
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 4: The machetes do a bracket. We can have a Native

912
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 4: lamp pot bracket situation. You put your money in. Everybody

913
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 4: put in twenty dollars, and you might not be a

914
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 4: bet man because he's a bishop most days. Look at this,

915
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying.

916
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: It's twenty dollars by me, lunch. It's not illegal, can I?

917
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: I honestly, I thought the brackets were national.

918
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: I didn't even know I thought the brackets were national.

919
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: I thought, like everybody in the country is participating in

920
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 1: this bracket, and like there were stages like tiers of Winter,

921
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 1: like a lottery.

922
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: Fair enough.

923
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 4: Yes, there's there is a whole gambling industry for this,

924
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 4: but there are also a lot of people who do

925
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 4: brackets for fun. It's you know, how fantasy football works is.

926
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: Very similar a lot of jobs.

927
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: Yes, can we do a Native Land viewer bracket with

928
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: the viewership we put a link up to that so

929
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: we don't.

930
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,800
Speaker 3: Have somebody else to evaluate all this stuff because giving your expertise, uh,

931
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: you know.

932
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 4: We can. We can ask Nick to put a link

933
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 4: up to the NCAA bracket where the teams are starting,

934
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 4: where they end up. They go to Sweet sixteen, the

935
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 4: Elite eight, and then the Final four and then of

936
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 4: course the championship.

937
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 3: The last thing I've just said about the basketball piece

938
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: or what contribute here is just to say that uls

939
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 3: been a joy watching and it truly has. And I

940
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 3: hadn't considered the fact until I heard a female basketball

941
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: player and I can't remember who said it say, you know,

942
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: we've been hustling at this for a long time, but

943
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: the way in which the cameras, the videographers, the folks

944
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: who have who have projected what we do on the

945
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: court out to the rest of the world hasn't always

946
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,800
Speaker 3: been equal to what the men get men's games, in

947
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 3: which the way that they have covered, the technology, investment

948
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: that gets made, the shots that get covered there makes

949
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: it a different kind of experience. And so the level

950
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 3: of just even that piece of it, which I hadn't

951
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 3: considered before, has also had the inducement of putting the

952
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: athleticism of these talented women on full display. Yeah, and

953
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 3: I hadn't considered that part of it. So, you know,

954
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 3: it's important to dis six every piece of why it

955
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: is that the popularity has been going up the way.

956
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 9: That it has.

957
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: They've survived off their athleticism for a long time, and

958
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 3: now we get that plus the dynamics of the way

959
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: in which it's covered.

960
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 2: We love to see it. Keep hooping, ladies, we're watching.

961
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fill out my first bracket, so I'm excited

962
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: about that.

963
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: Angela. I'll call you later for guidance. Native Landpop Family.

964
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: If y'all have suggestions for me, drop a comment and

965
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: let me know who I should be paying attention to.

966
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: Please help her.

967
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: Speaking of Native Land Family, it's time to hear from

968
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: you all on this show. We want to make sure

969
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: y'all feel welcome home. We so enjoy hearing your questions,

970
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: so keep those questions coming. We try to fit in

971
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: as many as possible and a lot of people. I

972
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: don't know. If you y'all get these two people with

973
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: DM ME and leave a comment like why I gotta

974
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: be on me? There's a problem because there are so

975
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: many people who try to pretend they are other people

976
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: on social media.

977
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 2: So we want to know that you are real people.

978
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: We want to see your beautiful face is right.

979
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: We know we're not engaging with bots, and so that's

980
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,240
Speaker 1: why we ask you to be on video.

981
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 4: To talk to your AI, your stunt double, your tupac

982
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 4: hologram like anybody turned it in exactly.

983
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: We want to see who you are all eyes. Speaking

984
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: of exactly.

985
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: So, speaking of I think we have a first question

986
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 1: from Marquell Cole.

987
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 2: What you got, Mark Well? What's going on?

988
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 13: Native lamppod? My name is Mark Well Cole. I'm currently

989
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 13: living on the beautiful island of Grenada, but I'm originally

990
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 13: from the Bronx, New York. And if you guys know

991
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 13: anything about the Bronx, you know that the Bronx is

992
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 13: the last of the Mohicans in regards to gentrification. Now,

993
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 13: there's been a lot of talk in regards to reverse

994
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 13: great migration. We're blacks resettle back in the South, however,

995
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 13: but what is a result to fight the forces of gentrification?

996
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 13: And how can we repopulate neighborhoods that were predominantly and

997
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 13: historically black, such as your Harlems and Bedsize. I believe

998
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 13: the Bronx has been doing a pretty good job in

999
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 13: terms of preserving the culture, but how can we continue

1000
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 13: to keep that defense up and fight against gentrification? Thank you?

1001
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: I love that question, and we've all bore witness to

1002
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: that gentrification harms not only us, but the wealth gap

1003
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 1: is a whole history and now gentrification started with white

1004
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: white folks essentially destroying black neighborhoods and we're seeing it repopulated.

1005
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: Andrew, did you want Yeah, I mean, I was just

1006
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 3: gonna say, I got a lot of black friends who

1007
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 3: are part of the regentrification as they've come in with

1008
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 3: their degrees and good jobs and you know, have settled

1009
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 3: back and some of those communities that the folks who

1010
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 3: had historically lived there can no longer afford to be there.

1011
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: And I would just say, but we cannot be when

1012
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 3: we pay the rates that are being asked, and uh

1013
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: uh uh and and truth be told. The market conditions

1014
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 3: in so many ways in a free market system dictate

1015
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 3: how these areas are able to charge and and reshape

1016
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 3: themselves the way that they have. But don't get that

1017
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 3: to mean that there aren't protections that can be put

1018
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: in place. So I can tell you in the at

1019
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 3: the municipal level, you have city boards and planning boards

1020
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: whose jobs it is to determine what are going to

1021
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: be the laws and the policies that govern this particular

1022
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: area of development in the city. And so if it's

1023
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 3: a value of those of those decision makers, you can

1024
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 3: go in and you can say, hey, I like for

1025
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: you know, I want the neighborhood cleaned up or I want,

1026
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 3: you know, a new housing that is livable and sustainable,

1027
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 3: But I believe that we need to put a cap

1028
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: on uh uh pricing in this particular area, within this

1029
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 3: certain square, you know, block footage in that the city

1030
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 3: could also determine that the property values won't increase above

1031
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 3: a certain percentage right here in Florida, and I'm sure

1032
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 3: other states do it as well. Where if you're a

1033
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: senior or if you've served in the military, your taxing

1034
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 3: structure is different from everybody else. Those same kinds of

1035
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 3: provisions can be made available to everyday folks who are

1036
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 3: living in neighborhoods that they want those neighborhoods to be

1037
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: improved upon, but they don't want to be priced out

1038
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,720
Speaker 3: of the place where they've grown up and their mothers

1039
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: have grown up, and their grandmothers have grown up. Where

1040
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 3: you've got inner generations living right in the same neighborhood

1041
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 3: and are now being pushed out by many of these

1042
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: market forces. Yes, the market dictates a lot, but yes,

1043
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:45,720
Speaker 3: also local decision makers can decide what kind of protections

1044
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 3: they want to put in place to keep some of

1045
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: these neighborhoods looking like they reflecting the values and the

1046
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 3: people who have held them up for so long.

1047
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: You know, I think this might be a good mini pain,

1048
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: this for a mini pod. No, no go, please, I'll

1049
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: be very quick.

1050
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: You know.

1051
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 4: The thing that comes to mind is the emotion that

1052
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 4: you see play out when gentrification occurs in these communities.

1053
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 4: It's not just people being displaced, it is memories also

1054
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 4: being displaced. There was a really big article in the

1055
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 4: Seattle Times some years back talking about the Central Area

1056
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 4: and where what you really see are the number of

1057
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 4: people who lose the houses because property taxes rise and

1058
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 4: they can no longer afford to pay the property taxes.

1059
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 4: And that is a devastating way to lose a home

1060
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 4: that has been in your family for generations. And I

1061
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 4: do think Andrew to the point there should be some

1062
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 4: protections put in place in municipalities all around the country.

1063
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: The number of you know, mortgage companies that faced discrimination

1064
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 4: settlements that should be a part of it too, Like

1065
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 4: what kind of program is there a public private partnership

1066
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 4: that it could exist that could be developed to ensure

1067
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 4: people can stay in their homes and that legacy is

1068
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 4: not erase from families. It is so important. I don't

1069
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,720
Speaker 4: have the answer. I have more questions than I have answers,

1070
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 4: but I would love to see solutions in me.

1071
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 3: But you're right about that, Angelau. The memories are stunning,

1072
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 3: and you often hear our parents and grandparents say, Man,

1073
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: when I was growing up, that's where everybody congregated. That's

1074
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 3: where we went and got fresh foods and vegetables that

1075
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 3: were grown right here in the neighborhood on trees and bushes,

1076
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 3: so on and so forth. And there are protections y'all.

1077
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 3: In fact, we may follow up with a couple of

1078
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 3: resources of national folks who are doing this work, so

1079
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 3: y'all can figure out how to plug in where it

1080
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 3: is that you live.

1081
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: I love that, and that's a good question. Can we

1082
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: be gentrifiers?

1083
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: Because if a group of educated black folks had resources

1084
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: moved into an area, commerce doesn't follow us that way.

1085
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: The marketplace doesn't follow us that way. You want, all

1086
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden see a banana republic popped up. So

1087
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a goot minipid to have a deeper yea.

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Speaker 3: I would. I don't know the answer to that, but

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Speaker 3: it would be curious. But because I kind of thought

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Speaker 3: that it followed more gentrification, money and the fact that

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Speaker 3: you are now pricing folks out of areas than not.

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Speaker 3: When publicisides if they want to go into a place

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Speaker 3: and build a store, they do a geo mapping of

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Speaker 3: the area and evaluate incomes and if it meets this threshold,

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Speaker 3: it's like, okay, that's a customer for us. Those would

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Speaker 3: be our future customers. And you know the same thing happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna get more into this because I got

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Speaker 1: more questions than answers to maybe all right, to keep

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Speaker 1: us moving, because I want to make sure we get

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Speaker 1: to everybody. Our next question is from Monica.

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Speaker 2: What you're talking.

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Speaker 14: About, Hey, Native Lampard Monica Williams Harris Here, this relates

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Speaker 14: to your discussion about the Alabama Supreme Court's recent decision

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Speaker 14: regarding IVF. It's someone who did two rounds unsuccessful successful

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Speaker 14: rounds of IVF, and then who subsequently we adopted our

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Speaker 14: beautiful son. I just find it extremely frustrating that these

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Speaker 14: lawmakers and judges continue to legislate and try to control

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Speaker 14: a woman's right to give birth and make decisions about

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Speaker 14: her body, when what they really should be doing is

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Speaker 14: making adoption much more affordable. As Tiffany indicated, there are

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Speaker 14: tens of thousands of children who are in foster care,

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Speaker 14: many of them are black children. And there are several

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Speaker 14: women that I know, several families that I know that

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Speaker 14: would love to adopt, but it's simply it's not affordable.

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Speaker 14: Thanks so much for you all's bringing light to this

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Speaker 14: situation and as always, continued blessings on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I love Monica, fellow wrap up, Monica, thank you, continue

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Speaker 1: blessings to you and congratulations on your beautiful son. I

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Speaker 1: hope we get to see a picture, maybe if she

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Speaker 1: could DM us a picture of her son.

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Speaker 2: But I love that question, Angela.

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Speaker 4: Did you want to Yeah, I think just as a

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Speaker 4: matter of where we actually are. Of course we know

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Speaker 4: about the Alabamas Supreme Court, but also a few weeks

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Speaker 4: ago the Governor of Alabama did sign a bill into

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Speaker 4: law to protect IVF So I do want to make

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Speaker 4: sure that you know where we where we can't give credit,

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Speaker 4: we give it, but shamelind you for having a judge

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Speaker 4: on the bench that would do all of that fire brimstone,

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Speaker 4: and hell, he was preaching from his opinion.

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Speaker 1: Nonetheless, I'm also a little hesitant to give KIV anyway.

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Speaker 2: I mean, okay, signed the bill into.

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Speaker 1: Law Republican Governor k Ivy of Alabama.

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Speaker 4: She's I don't believe in another than not telling people

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Speaker 4: when they did something. She did the right thing. She

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Speaker 4: signed a bill into law to protect IVF and it

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Speaker 4: was pat I'm surprised, honestly by the legislature. The House

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Speaker 4: passed it a bill ninety four to six, and then

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Speaker 4: the Senate passed the bill unanimously. But sometimes when you

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Speaker 4: see your own interests being challenged, you will rise up

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Speaker 4: to protect your own entrant. It is still the right

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Speaker 4: thing because it impacts lots of other people besides them.

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Speaker 4: It could have been worse. We could have been a

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Speaker 4: handmade tail earlier than in twenty twenty four of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: Was this election, So shout out to the.

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Speaker 3: Threat still exists, right the birth control.

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Speaker 2: The threat is still exist They're going after birth control now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just want I want to credit the

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Speaker 1: organizers and the people who applied the pressure to make

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Speaker 1: sure that this bill passed and to force k Ivy's

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Speaker 1: hand to do it. There was a lot of videos circulating,

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Speaker 1: one of a female reporter interviewing Senator Tommy Tubberville. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't but what he lacks in intellect, he makes

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Speaker 1: up for in talking nonsense.

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Speaker 2: And he literally didn't even know what the legislation was.

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Speaker 1: And this is something he voted for, right, But it

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00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: took so many people on the ground, organizing, protesting, and

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Speaker 1: confronting these politicians with this for k Ivy to find that.

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Speaker 2: So I just wanted to point that out. Okay, now

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Speaker 2: we have Brianna from Phoenix.

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Speaker 15: Hello, my name is Brianna.

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Speaker 14: I'm from Phoenix, Arizona.

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Speaker 15: I'm currently serving in the Acuity Air Force here in Missouri.

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Speaker 15: I would like to just shed some light on our

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Speaker 15: top government officials. We're being required to have mental health

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Speaker 15: evaluations in order to sit in our top government seats

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Speaker 15: in Washington and even in the local and state politics.

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Speaker 15: As a military member, we are required to go through

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Speaker 15: mental health evaluations from the beginning middle and even if

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Speaker 15: we have any mental health issues during our time of service,

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Speaker 15: we are removed from our jobs and we're not even

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Speaker 15: allowed to in some case deploy our PCs, which is

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Speaker 15: like move duty stations. I feel like if we have

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Speaker 15: to go through these grooming processes when it comes down

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Speaker 15: to mental health evaluations and making sure that we are

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Speaker 15: mentally fit to serve in the United States military, our

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Speaker 15: government officials from local all the way up.

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Speaker 2: To DC should be required as well. That's just my

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Speaker 2: take on it, and fair is fair. I love that. Rihanna.

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Speaker 2: First of all, thank you so much for your service.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 4: Second of all, you know, every single week we say

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Speaker 4: welcome home, but all throughout the week people are weighing

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Speaker 4: in on social media, telling us what they think, how

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Speaker 4: they feel, what we got right, what we got wrong,

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Speaker 4: and everything in between. Stop that cussing, y'all. Keep that

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Speaker 4: cussing going, y'all, like everything in between, and so we

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Speaker 4: are so grateful that you're weighing in. In fact, I

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Speaker 4: think we're gonna pivot a little bit from just having

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Speaker 4: Native Lamppod fam questions into having some comments, and I

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Speaker 4: think Brianna is kicking that off. So we appreciate your statement.

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Speaker 4: All I'll say to that is amen, because you heard

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Speaker 4: me say it before. I definitely think we guive you

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Speaker 4: some more mental health evaluations in this piece. So we

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Speaker 4: definitely thank you for your service and for sharing your opinion.

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Speaker 1: Welcome home, Briann, I actually really love that, and I

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Speaker 1: love Angela that you're saying, let's open this up. For

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Speaker 1: comments as well, because we want people to fill welcome home,

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Speaker 1: and this is your platform as well, So I invite

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Speaker 1: everybody along handle exactly, pull up a seat to this table,

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Speaker 1: sit on the couch with us. So send it, but

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Speaker 1: just make sure that when you're sending questions or comments

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Speaker 1: that it is sixty seconds or less. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: pretend this is church on a Sunday. Everybody trying to

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Speaker 1: get home to see the game, like you gotta just

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Speaker 1: sixty seconds or less. Make sure we can see you,

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01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: say your name clearly and where you're from. And keep

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Speaker 1: those comments and questions coming. We love being in community

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Speaker 1: with you, We love being in conversation with you, so

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Speaker 1: keep those comments and questions coming. We're gonna take a

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Speaker 1: really quick break, but don't go anywhere because we're coming

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Speaker 1: right back.

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Speaker 2: With call to action.

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Speaker 1: Okay, calls to action. Who wants to go first? Don't

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Speaker 1: everybody jump at once? Who wnths to go first? Well,

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Speaker 1: in transparency, not call it action yet.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The only one I have is me asking people to

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Speaker 1: help me with my bracket.

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Speaker 2: And that doesn't seem like an important enough.

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Speaker 3: But that's it. That's it.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't seem like an important enough call to action.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sorry, guys, but that is what I would

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Speaker 1: like help with my bracket in general understanding of how

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Speaker 1: these brackets go.

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Speaker 3: Extraordinary expert. I'll go quickly. It's I. You know, we

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Speaker 3: talked a bit. We did a little Facebook live on

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Speaker 3: the whole funny funny Willis situation, and I know it's

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Speaker 3: old news. Last week we learned she will be able

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Speaker 3: to stay on the case, her prosecutors will continue to

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Speaker 3: do the work they've got to do. And she told

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Speaker 3: the judge listen, if you want to start a trial

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Speaker 3: in thirty days, we will be ready. So she reassured

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Speaker 3: us with the confidence. I will tell you though I was.

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Speaker 3: I was a bit concerned, and I'll just stated here.

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Speaker 3: The judge in this case McAfee, in his written decision

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Speaker 3: and says the following. This finding is by no means

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Speaker 3: an indication that the Court condones this tremendous lapse in

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Speaker 3: judgment or the unprofessional manner of the District Attorney's testimony

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Speaker 3: during the evidentiary hearing. Rather, it is the undersigned opinion

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Speaker 3: that Georgia law does not permit the finding of an

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Speaker 3: actual conflict for simply making bad choices, even repeatedly, and

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Speaker 3: it is the trial court's duty to confine itself to

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Speaker 3: the relevant issues in applicable law applicable law before it.

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Speaker 3: Other forms of sources of authority, such as the General Assembly,

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Speaker 3: the Georgia State Ethics Commission, the State Bar of Georgia,

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Speaker 3: the Fulton County Board of Commissioners, or the voters of

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Speaker 3: Fulton County may offer feedback on any of the unanswered

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Speaker 3: questions that linger. I read that and total just so

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Speaker 3: that I personally felt like the judge in his paraga,

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Speaker 3: went a little further than was necessary to I don't know,

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Speaker 3: sanction express his opinions about the DA One. I will say,

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Speaker 3: Fannie Willis getting on this stand and testifying the way

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Speaker 3: that she did was critical to I think rallying folks

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Speaker 3: to understand her thinking around the whole cash situation. Secondly,

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Speaker 3: the judge laid out a number of legislative and governmental

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Speaker 3: bodies and entities who can be approached to deal with

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Speaker 3: any of the information that he feels was faulty or

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Speaker 3: lacking in her testimony. And I would just say, if

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Speaker 3: you were in the State of Georgia and you are

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Speaker 3: an attorney. Moreover, in the State of Georgia that it

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Speaker 3: will be really really important, I think, and vital if

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Speaker 3: you believe that Fannie Willis deserves your protection, that she's

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Speaker 3: serving her responsibility, that you all begin to rally around

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Speaker 3: her with regards to the State Ethics Commission and some

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Speaker 3: of the inquiries that are going to be coming from

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Speaker 3: the Republican controlled legislature there so that she's flanked on

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Speaker 3: all sides while she tries to do the work that

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Speaker 3: is necessary to prosecute justice to the full end. I've

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Speaker 3: seen these kinds of distractions before. This is by no

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Speaker 3: means the end of the attack on her, and I'm

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Speaker 3: just hoping that you all, as viewers and listeners, if

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Speaker 3: you feel compelled, will figure out a way that you

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Speaker 3: can come to the protective flank as these believe. I

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Speaker 3: believe inquiries are going to continue as a side show

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Speaker 3: to keep her from being able to do what she

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Speaker 3: was elected to do. I know that was long. I

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Speaker 3: apologize to my co host, but it's been in my

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Speaker 3: spirit since reading this opinion that this was a real

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Speaker 3: opening and guidance for added attacks against the DA.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Andrew.

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Speaker 4: I was going to say, we're going to stick with

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Speaker 4: protecting the prosecutors Marilyn Moseby. There is a rally that

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Speaker 4: we told you all we would talk about soon. It

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Speaker 4: is going to be held this Saturday, March twenty third,

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Speaker 4: at noon at the Druid Hill YMCA in Baltimore. No Justice,

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Speaker 4: No Peace, Fighting for Moseby Rally at noon on Saturday.

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Speaker 4: There will soon be a petition made available as well

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Speaker 4: as a letter that you can sign on to the

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Speaker 4: Biden administration asking them to have mercy and pardon someone

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Speaker 4: who did not engage in any criminal wrongdoing whatsoever, but

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Speaker 4: has been the subject of a very expensive witch hunt

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Speaker 4: for falsifying mortgage documents that she herself did not fill out.

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Speaker 4: So we are going to continue to lift her up

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Speaker 4: in prayer. We are going to continue to advocate for

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Speaker 4: her as we would want someone to do for us,

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Speaker 4: as we know Andrew would have wanted if he were

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Speaker 4: not acquitted for his wrongful prosecution. And hopefully soon there

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Speaker 4: will be a selective prosecution case coming to the Department

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Speaker 4: of Justice for what has happened in Marylyn Moseby's case.

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Speaker 4: So that said, we hope we can stand with you

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Speaker 4: all here and then also stand alongside tiff as she

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Speaker 4: works to fill out her March Badness in Cuba women's

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Speaker 4: basketball Brat.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Angela and Andrew for your very

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Speaker 1: serious am I friend, no girl, but you on AOL.

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Speaker 2: Tiffany's on dial up Internet.

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Speaker 4: She might not be able to close this show out today,

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Speaker 4: but know that she is with you all in spirit.

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Speaker 4: She's been silenced for no good reason. Internet justice and access.

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Speaker 3: It's still an it's country.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Andrews created a new hashtag Internet for everybody. Maybe

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Speaker 4: y'all can carry in on the joke by just doing

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Speaker 4: hashtag Internet for tiff In the meantime, everyone should send

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Speaker 4: her comments on Instagram and on Twitter, saying Tiffany, it

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Speaker 4: is time to let go of AOL dial up, long

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Speaker 4: past time. But the show this brings us to our clothes.

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Speaker 4: We thank you all so much for your constant support.

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Speaker 4: We look forward to it, look forward to engaging with you.

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Speaker 4: There are two hundred and twenty eight days until election Day.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Home, Welcome Home.

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Speaker 4: Native Lampod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with

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Speaker 4: Reason Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the

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Speaker 4: favorite shows,