WEBVTT - SYSK Selects: How Dissociative Identity Disorder Works 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.199 Hi, there everybody. It's me Josh and for this week's 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:05.840 s Y s K Selects, I've chosen our episode on 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:11.160 dissociative identity disorder formerly known as multiple personality disorder. It's 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.120 one of those very satisfying episodes where we get to 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:18.600 go behind and undo all of the incorrect things. Everybody 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:21.799 assumes that they know about it, um, which is fun 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:23.639 for us, and I hope it's fun for you to 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:31.520 listen and learn. So away with the show. Welcome to Stuff. 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:34.080 You should know, a production of My Heart Radios How 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:42.720 Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:46.760 There's Charles W. Choke Bryant, and there's no is no 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:50.880 one of my altars. No these his own. Dude, Okay, 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:57.200 do you have walters? Okay? Do you no? Not that 0:00:57.280 --> 0:00:59.320 I know. I think we've each seen a bit of 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.560 an altar in each other. But that's just called us 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:05.520 being jerks every now and then. Bad mood. Yeah, that's 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:10.120 a little different. I was on a forum about a 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:14.959 forum for people with dissociative identity disorder and like the 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.880 from what I was reading, you sometimes you feel crowded. Um. 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.560 Some people have like felt like they have had altars 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.399 like their whole life, as long as they've been around interesting, Um, 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.240 sometimes they don't. Like. One of the entries I saw 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.839 was like, does your altar have to have a name, 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:35.200 And it was like, I don't necessarily think of them 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.640 as people, and another person responded and so that that's 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:41.080 often like an early stage of the process, and then 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.120 over time, as they become more pronounced, they end up 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:51.440 adopting names. Or it is uh, super moody or some 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:57.440 other bad behavior that you say is disassociative identity disorder 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.480 and you give it a name, Well you don't, your 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:04.320 therapist does yeah, or you might yeah. So it's controversial 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.720 and we'll get to that, but um, I guess we 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.200 should start off by saying that another name for this 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:14.360 a more popular name, even though it's been uh since 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.680 d I D. The original name was multiple personality to 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.600 disorder the personality. When I was reading this at first, 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.320 I was like, this sounds an awful lot like split personality. 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:28.600 It is. It is. They just renamed it and we'll 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.040 see pretty soon why, which is kind of a good 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:35.720 move because from what I can tell, it seems to 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:42.000 be a real thing that underwent a period of intense 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:46.440 exploitation and abuse, so much so that now there's a 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:48.880 lot of people who doubt that it's a real thing, right, 0:02:49.720 --> 0:02:52.880 but that there are still people out there who do 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.600 suffer from it enough so that psychiatry has said, we 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.160 need to change the name and then we just focus 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:01.960 on the people that really have this. Now. Did they 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.520 change it because it had a stigma? Really? That was 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.800 the only reason? Yeah? Wow, Yeah, there's this excellent article 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:12.639 um on I O nine actually about UM. I think 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:17.639 it's called like the myth of dissociative identity disorder and um, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.160 the myth of multiple personality disorder. Thank you they went 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:22.720 old school, yeah, um, and the lady who wrote it 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.800 did a really good job of explaining the controversy around 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:29.000 it and also like the renewal of it as well, 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.800 like how it became renewed. But yeah, it was because 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:39.400 it was basically, um exploited and fictionalized by the psychiatric 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:43.040 community a few notable people that we'll get to all 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.280 that though. Yeah, so, I mean everybody has heard of 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.280 multiple personality disorder thanks to that that period of exploitation 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.400 from the fifties to the eighties. Um, so you have 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:56.280 probably a pretty good idea of the concept behind it 0:03:56.600 --> 0:04:00.840 of the disorder. To begin with, it's a single person 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:08.440 has their normal, their original UM what's called their host personality, 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:15.320 and sometimes especially under periods of acute psycho social stress, 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:19.680 maybe confronted with stress or something they don't want to 0:04:19.680 --> 0:04:22.320 think about or talk about or whatever, another one of 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:28.080 their personalities will emerge and they're generally tied to a 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.720 trauma and early life that you may not even know 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:37.200 about until you have therapy that out of your subconscious 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:41.359 right and UM they believe that for dissociative identity disorder, 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:44.640 when it does come about from the result of a trauma, 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:50.080 it comes about as a coping mechanism to protect the 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:55.960 mind because the the host personality simply can't handle dealing 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.680 with it. But there is some aspect of that person 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:04.240 which is characterized through another personality that can handle it, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.799 and so that personality will come out to handle those 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:15.400 periods where UM the the person is confronted with those memories. Yeah, 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:18.479 and it can express itself in different ways depending on 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:22.560 UM how severe your disorder is. But generally, if you've 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.920 ever seen United States of terra UM, you ever seen 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.120 that No, I know of it, but I've never seen 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:31.719 an episode. Emily was way into it. Um, we're talking 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.760 about completely new people. But your behavior, your speech, you 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:39.239 can be a different sex, you can have a different accent, um, 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:44.440 different species. Yeah, you could be like a dog technically. UM. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:48.320 I think that's a little more rare. I would imagine. Yeah. Um. 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:51.800 And there is no timetable. That's um. It doesn't necessarily 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:56.000 happen like right after a trauma. Can come out years later. Um. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:06:01.080 And it just there's not an awareness necessarily. Uh, that's 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.080 a big one. Well, there's not an awareness of the 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:07.400 host person doesn't have an awareness of the altars coming out. 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.479 Sometimes they do sometimes, but the altars usually are aware 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.680 of the other altars and the host. And that was 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:16.680 like it was in the United States of Tara. Yeah, 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.640 sometimes the um the altars, which I don't know if 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:22.919 we specifically said or not yet, but an altar is 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:27.040 one of these non one of the other personalities within 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.320 the host personality, and there's there's usually at least two others. 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:34.120 There has to be to a host at least one 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:38.000 other right, Um. But then it can go. People have 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.120 reported up to a hundred or beyond UM, and they 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.400 can happen at the same time too. Yeah, that's another 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:49.200 thing is they can switch between them um pretty quickly. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:53.880 And these periods where the altars emerge can take place 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.280 over the course of days or weeks. Basically, if you 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.400 if you if there's a period where the alls are 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:03.159 really kind of coming out and fluidly changing, that's a 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.559 period of severe stress that that person is undergoing. Yeah, 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.640 maybe calling back that previous drama. Maybe not, It might 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.000 just be triggered by stress period. And you said also 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.920 that some sometimes a lot of times the altars are 0:07:15.920 --> 0:07:18.600 aware of each other. There's also been plenty of documented 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.320 cases where the altars don't like each other. Sometimes they 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.160 don't like the host um or they don't have much 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.880 respect for the host uh, or like one of the 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:32.520 other altars, they don't like how they deal with the host, 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.560 or deal with life, or something like that, which is 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:40.040 kind of neat because that that shows that these altars 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:45.520 are aware that that the effects or the actions of 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.120 the other altar or the host affects them. Yeah, like 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.680 if they are somehow they understand that they're part of 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:57.080 the whole. Well, you can be uh, the host person 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.320 that just the regular Josh is a non drinker and 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.960 you could have an alcoholic altar. Well, yeah, it thinks 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:06.840 the host is a square. And like, I can't wait 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:08.640 to get my hands on a drink because Josh is 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.320 like he's he won't go near the stuff. But now 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:14.280 that I'm randy, I'm gonna buy that twelve pack of 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.400 Maister Brow. Yeah, and very I don't think I've ever 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.880 had a sip of Maister Brow. I had a very 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:25.200 long night with it about fifteen years ago. Okay, so 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:30.400 you might have undergone something that's similar to UM dissociative disorder, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:35.840 we should say. Also when they renamed associative disorder, they 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.199 also took all of these components that used to make 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:43.200 up multiple personality disorder and split them. So now there's 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:49.720 four associated disorders. UM. There is dissociative identity disorder, which 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:51.960 is the most extreme, that's the one with altars and 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:59.160 different personalities coming out. And then there is UM dissociative amnesia, 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:02.640 which is remember in our amnesia podcasts? Who brought this 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:08.000 one about um? Where you just kind of forget a 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.440 certain experience. Yeah, Like I had this terrible car crash. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:13.000 I don't even remember it all right, and it was 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.800 dissociative amnesia. That that's that where it's like you don't 0:09:16.840 --> 0:09:21.880 remember the terrible thing that happened to you. Um. There's 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:26.280 also a dissociative fugue, which is where you basically just 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:29.000 leave your life. You walk away from your life and 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.000 maybe you seem like you're kind of out of it 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:36.000 or whatever. Maybe you're under the influence of a different personality. Um, 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:39.280 it's it's not just like I'm not gonna come home 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.120 any longer. It's like you left your life and are 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.079 a different person. You're leading a different life in the 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:49.000 last days, weeks, months, um and then Chuck. The fourth 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:53.040 one is deep personalization disorder, which is like you're you're 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.720 watching your life as if you're viewing a movie. You're detached. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.760 And I think that one. I think these can work 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:01.720 to other because I know that if you have d 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:06.440 I D, you definitely have moments of experiencing uh that one. Yeah, 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.080 they they like even if you're just the host, you 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.880 might feel like you're just watching yourself instead of being yourself. 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.000 So dissociative identity disorder diagnosis is almost has like split 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:21.000 personalities fluid. It switches between the different disorders and the 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.160 one thing that they all have in common is that 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:25.840 they all appear to be coping mechanisms to protect the 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.679 mind from a trauma. They're basically saying like I'm checking 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:33.280 out of my life, or I'm detaching myself from my life, 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.520 or I'm just not going to remember that part of 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:41.360 my life, or I am I can't handle my life 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.839 and this other personality can. Yeah, and it's not. It's 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.000 not always just those things that you know. Some of 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.720 the side symptoms are can be hallucinations. A lot of 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:56.600 times it leads to substance abuse or eating disorders, UM depression, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:02.760 anxiety and mood swings obviously OBVI and UH, memory disturbances 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.920 either short or long term. Right, it's kind of one 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:11.280 of the keys. Probably UM and you apparently a person 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.720 suffering from the sociative identities sort of just kind of 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.880 like you said, foggy is a really good descriptor of 0:11:17.040 --> 0:11:22.560 if not life, then their periods of UM this condition 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:25.000 flaring up. I guess. Yeah, just their sense of place 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.920 and time is just completely disrupted. It sounds awful, Yeah, 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:31.400 it is awful. Yeah, it is UM. Like I said, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.640 I haven't seen the United States of Terror, but apparently 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:36.160 it's a lot of comic effect out of yeah, of course, 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.720 but if you have the sociative identity disorder, you'd likely 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.160 have a really hard struggle in life. Yeah, and it 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.760 shows some of that too. I mean it's obviously for TV, 0:11:45.920 --> 0:11:48.440 so there is some comedy with some of the althars, 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.199 but it also shows the toll that it takes on 0:11:50.240 --> 0:11:54.000 the family and stuff like that. So, uh, it's this 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.640 has been around for a little while. We've understood it 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:01.440 its symptoms since at least the late eighteenth century. Yeah, 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:05.400 and and some early scientists and researchers did a pretty 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.000 good job considering how long ago it was nailing it. Um. Well, 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:14.600 it's a pretty like extravagant yeah case. Yeah, people come. Sure, doctors, 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.920 especially in the eighteen hundreds and seventeen hundreds, were like 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:23.240 pretty excited about it, you know. Um, so demonic possession 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.240 and weird things like that. Back in the day, A 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.920 lot of many of those cases may have been things 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.760 like these disorders. Uh, we just didn't know about it 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.800 back then, so we just said someone was a hysteric 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:39.520 or a witch and they killed them or lock them up, 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.240 you know, in some room. Um. But the first symptoms 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.559 of d i D came around in nineteen and sev 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.920 it's a long time ago. Yeah, a guy named ever 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.880 Heart Gamelon No, yeah, Gamelon, Yeah, I think it's g 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.679 M E L I N. I would go silent g 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.079 on that melon. Why don't they just spell it right, 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.400 that's just a guess. Yeah. Well, he was the first 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.839 one to describe the conditions. He had a patient who 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.800 was a middle class German woman who had an altar 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.800 who was a French aristocrat. So he hypnotized her, brought 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:19.160 out the French aristocrat, the animal magnetized her or mesmerism. Yeah, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:21.040 and we did an episode on hypnosis if you want 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.040 to go check that out. Yeah, it's a very good one. Um. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:28.359 But up until the late eighteen hundreds, about eighteen eighty, 0:13:28.600 --> 0:13:31.120 they generally thought that what the deal was was that 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:37.600 humans had a background consciousness and that was actually greater 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:42.000 than our regular primary consciousness, and when that background consciousness 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:47.600 got sick, then that's what brought out the cray right, 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.360 that that's what mental illness came from. Pretty much basically, 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:54.520 it was another way of putting the conscious in the subconscious, 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.200 because I mean, and it still today, people believe the 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.880 subconscious exists and that it's the one that's really running 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:02.880 the show, really is that's still the belief that it's 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:05.680 greater as far as I know, certainly among Freudians. But yeah, 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.280 that's true. I don't I don't think anyone's really discredited 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:13.280 the idea of the subconscious. All right, who knows. I'm 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:16.400 sure we're going to find up here. They're about the 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.600 same time as that was going on. Um, they started 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.760 to tie it with childhood trauma, which is pretty spot on. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:30.040 And then a French patient named Louis Viev Viva viv. 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:32.880 He was twenty two years old and he had this 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.200 is in the late had six personalities. Doctors just went 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:41.360 crazy over this guy. Um. They didn't overlap with their memories. 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:45.160 They thought that they were just hypnotic variations of each other. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:47.360 They didn't understand though, at the time, that they were 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.720 actually completely separate personalities. They thought it was just all 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.520 parts of Louis, which if you, if you really kind 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:01.800 of follow the timeline of UM D I D like 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.920 they were. We've come back to that understanding of it. Yeah, 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.400 I guess you're right. You know that it's not like 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:13.640 just different personalities, it's just different aspects of a single 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.240 personality that are are kind of given voice in a 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.960 very literal like different voice in a literal way, right, 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.600 you know, Yeah, that's a good point. And then after 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:27.080 that are actually around the same time, Pierre Janette, another 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:32.160 French researcher UM said, now these are different personalities and 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:35.560 it comes from a trauma that they suffered, right, So 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.240 he was kind of hit it early on. Yeah, he 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:40.680 I guess he laid the groundwork for the understanding for 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:45.520 the next century or so to come. UM. And then uh, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.480 it wasn't until nineteen o five that somebody claimed to 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.480 cure a person with UM dissociative identity disorder again back 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:57.040 then known as multiple personality disorder UM, a guy named 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:02.560 Morton Prince Morty Prince not Martin Prince, Morton Prince UM. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:06.880 He basically said that using hypnosis he was able to 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:11.800 UM coax out the very easily coax out the altars. 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.560 Because this is something like very early on, dissociative identity 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:19.160 disorder and hypnosis were basically just went hand in hand, 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:24.000 and UM alienists believed that they could use hypnosis to 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:27.680 very easily draw out the altars, which they could who 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.120 am I talking to now exactly? Or I want to 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:34.320 talk to you know, this personality and then start confronting 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:39.920 those personalities and convincing them to integrate into the host personality. 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.320 And then once you had full successful integration, you had 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:50.120 a reunited whole host person who was just one personality. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:53.680 But the the the key is is that they're using hypnosis, 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:59.240 and hypnosis doesn't isn't real, right, So, like, we have 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.400 a huge clue here to a mystery of what exactly 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:06.919 is going on. But before anybody really kind of faces 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.520 that and confronts it um and starts to really truly 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:15.880 treat associative ideality disorder on its face or at its root, 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:21.320 it treated it on its face. Psychiatry took a really 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.359 like it just went all in and doubled down on 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.680 the most um, the sexiest, craziest versions that could come 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:56.840 up with. So, Chuck, psychiatry is about to say, multiple 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:02.200 multiple personality disorder is um exactly what it looks like. 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:06.240 Some of these people are beyond looney. This guy over 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.840 here as a hundred personalities and seven of them are dogs, 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:14.240 different dogs. Can you believe this? And uh, these these 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.199 cases are going to start to grow by leaps and 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:19.000 bounds and number and it all can be traced back 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:23.359 to a single book, which is based on a single 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.919 case history. Yeah, well, a couple of books. Yeah. But 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.400 to start, it was all about Eve, that's right, The 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.600 Three Faces of Eve. It was a book written in 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:37.600 n seven by two psychiatrists, and it was about a 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:42.000 woman whose real name was Chris Costner size More, who 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.240 may or may not be related to Kevin Costner. Neither 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:47.040 I nor anybody on the Internet appears to know for sure. 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.760 I looked, and nobody all there are questions. I can't 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.280 believe I didn't think to look that up. Yeah Costner, Sure, 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:59.200 there's like two of them, Kevin and who Chris? Okay, um, 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:02.760 so she, uh, Chris Costner size More went um by 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.800 the name of Eva White, or at least that's what 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.359 they called her in the book, although funnily I didn't 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.479 look up to see whether or not she's related to 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:14.080 Tom size More, just Kevin Costner. Yeah, did I say 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:16.600 Eva White? I meant Eve White? Yeah, I might said Eve. 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.439 Either way, it's Eve White. And she was referred because 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:24.600 she had headaches amnesia, and she worked with these two 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:29.280 psychiatrists and a couple of altars emerged and they wrote 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:34.200 a book. Well, they supposedly cured her and reintegrated them 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:38.480 back into one host person, but they wrote a book 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:42.320 really quickly that exploded on the scene, super popular, made 0:19:42.359 --> 0:19:47.639 them a ton of money. There was a big blockbuster movie. Um, 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:51.360 it was just it took over, well not took over, 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:56.960 but it made a huge splash and just people's consciousness 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.160 about what this is like for the first time time. 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.880 It was everyone you know, like you said, it's kind 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:06.479 of super sexy and interesting and people were captivated by 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.280 this new disease. And this Eve woman who was really 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:17.080 three women and one right there was Eve Peggy and 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.240 I can't remember the other one, but um one was 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.480 like a good girl, uh, the other one was like 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:27.119 a bad girl or a tough girl. And then the 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:30.120 host was just kind of a combination of the two. Yeah, 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:34.920 and she's still alive, she still is well. She um 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:41.040 so that this doctor um was it Thigpen. Yeah, doctor 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:45.960 thigpen Um who was treating her Corbett Thigpen and a 0:20:46.080 --> 0:20:52.080 colleague I believe his name is Henny Cleckly, seriously Cleckly 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:56.520 and Thigpen so Um Thigpen was the one who wrote 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:58.600 like really went off the deep end with the book 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.760 and then sold the ladies life rights without her approval 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.399 to Hollywood, and they made this story or this movie 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.600 and like you said, it was the Century Fox. Yeah 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:10.760 it was, and it was. It made a pretty big splash, 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:14.360 both the book and the movie. Um. And she came 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.880 out and wrote a book called I'm Eve and said, Dude, 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.479 this guy is a total fraud, Like, yes, I do 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:26.359 have multiple personalities, but they didn't cure me. No, Like 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.040 this guy kept insisting I was cured. It didn't work. 0:21:29.359 --> 0:21:32.240 He uh, he shot me up with sodium pentethal and 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:36.800 like just used the power of suggestion. Um. And he's 0:21:36.840 --> 0:21:41.480 just a huckster, basically he was after the story. Um, 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.920 but here I am left with my conditions still. Yeah. 0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:48.280 And she had reportedly suffered, UM witnessed a bad accident 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.359 and witnessed to deaths as a child and that's where 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:55.639 hers was born. So UM that set the stage that 0:21:56.040 --> 0:22:01.080 for popular consciousness to um kind of come to understand 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.280 multiple personality disorder, which again that's what it was called 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:06.840 at the time. UM. And I mean it was all 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.720 over the place, like people just people were just aware 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:15.280 of it, whereas they hadn't been before. UM. And it 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.199 was kind of like a one two punch. You had 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:21.120 all about Eve and the fifties, and then about fifteen 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:24.960 years later you had Sybil. And Sybil was the one 0:22:25.000 --> 0:22:29.399 that blew this thing wide open. It just happened, I guess, 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.320 to arrive at a time when UM America was really 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:40.200 ready to um undergo or be party to psychological exploitation 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.880 like big time. Yeah. And in nine three is when 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:48.680 Sybil the book came out, UM written by oh uh, 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:53.200 let's see Flora Rita Schreiber about her treatment with psychiatrist 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:58.000 Cornelia Wilbur and about the treatment of the real name 0:22:58.000 --> 0:22:59.920 was Shirley Mason, and they kept that a secret for 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:05.160 many years Sybil, Yeah, to protect her her identity. Um, 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:07.560 but eventually the name came out. Well, she died in 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.200 the nineties. Yeah, she died ninety eight breast cancer. But um, 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:15.920 she had sixteen personalities. And like I said, Sally Field 0:23:15.920 --> 0:23:17.880 played her in the movie. It was a big hit. 0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:20.159 I remember my mom reading the book. It was all 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.120 the rage in the seventies. Yeah, it was huge, huge, 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:29.240 And um, she was actually an artist, a painter, and 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.200 like taught painting too, I think. But they found a 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:34.560 hundred and three paintings in her basement after she died, 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.919 and she only signed the ones that she felt like 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.520 she the host had painted, like she wouldn't sign the 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.239 ones that an Altar had painted. So many of them 0:23:44.240 --> 0:23:46.040 are unsigned. But it's when you look at it, it's 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:48.880 really like they're all different, like some are like realist, 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:53.840 some are abstract, some are impressionistic, really all over the map, 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:56.760 and it's just I don't know, kind of a testament 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:58.760 to like how real this can be? Is there a 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:02.080 website that hosts all of them? Uh? I don't know. 0:24:02.119 --> 0:24:04.080 I think if you look just look up, you know, 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:07.800 hidden paintings of Sybil, you can probably buy them. And 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.919 that would be what s I B y L is 0:24:10.920 --> 0:24:14.280 how they spelled that? No s y b I L Yeah, 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:18.639 um so sybils a smash hit. It's based on the wave, 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.320 the first wave that was brought about by all about 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.600 Eve and the public is um just fully aware of 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:28.480 multiple personality disorders like these two are like the cream 0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:30.760 of the crop. There were tons of made for TV 0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:35.320 movies and um Donna Hue episodes and all sorts of 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:40.200 just chatter about multiple personality disorder, and all of a sudden, 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:44.600 the cases go from about two hundred in the medical 0:24:44.680 --> 0:24:49.480 literature to suddenly eight thousand after the movie Sybil comes 0:24:49.520 --> 0:24:55.000 out and it seems like every psychiatrist has a patient 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:59.560 with multiple personality disorder. And because of all this the 0:24:59.640 --> 0:25:02.800 since nationalism that went along with it, there are fortunately 0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:07.160 a caudra of serious psychiatrists and psychologists who said, wait 0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:10.400 a minute, what, like what what what's going on here? 0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:16.120 Like movies aren't supposed to trigger outbreaks of disorders. Some 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:19.600 people explained it away by saying, well, there, these people 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:22.760 may have didn't suffering like this. They didn't have a 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:25.400 name to associate with. The movie gave him the name 0:25:25.440 --> 0:25:27.000 so they could go to the doctor and speak to 0:25:27.040 --> 0:25:30.040 it and be treated right. Um, that is one explanation. 0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:35.040 The problem is the explanation that this was a real 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:39.480 phenomenon and not like some sort of um what do 0:25:39.560 --> 0:25:43.040