1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,199 Speaker 1: Hi, there everybody. It's me Josh and for this week's 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: s Y s K Selects, I've chosen our episode on 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: dissociative identity disorder formerly known as multiple personality disorder. It's 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: one of those very satisfying episodes where we get to 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: go behind and undo all of the incorrect things. Everybody 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 1: assumes that they know about it, um, which is fun 7 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,639 Speaker 1: for us, and I hope it's fun for you to 8 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: listen and learn. So away with the show. Welcome to Stuff. 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 1: You should know, a production of My Heart Radios How 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. 11 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: There's Charles W. Choke Bryant, and there's no is no 12 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: one of my altars. No these his own. Dude, Okay, 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: do you have walters? Okay? Do you no? Not that 14 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: I know. I think we've each seen a bit of 15 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: an altar in each other. But that's just called us 16 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: being jerks every now and then. Bad mood. Yeah, that's 17 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: a little different. I was on a forum about a 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: forum for people with dissociative identity disorder and like the 19 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: from what I was reading, you sometimes you feel crowded. Um. 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: Some people have like felt like they have had altars 21 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: like their whole life, as long as they've been around interesting, Um, 22 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: sometimes they don't. Like. One of the entries I saw 23 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:31,839 Speaker 1: was like, does your altar have to have a name, 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: And it was like, I don't necessarily think of them 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: as people, and another person responded and so that that's 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: often like an early stage of the process, and then 27 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: over time, as they become more pronounced, they end up 28 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: adopting names. Or it is uh, super moody or some 29 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: other bad behavior that you say is disassociative identity disorder 30 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: and you give it a name, Well you don't, your 31 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: therapist does yeah, or you might yeah. So it's controversial 32 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: and we'll get to that, but um, I guess we 33 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: should start off by saying that another name for this 34 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: a more popular name, even though it's been uh since 35 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: d I D. The original name was multiple personality to 36 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: disorder the personality. When I was reading this at first, 37 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: I was like, this sounds an awful lot like split personality. 38 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: It is. It is. They just renamed it and we'll 39 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: see pretty soon why, which is kind of a good 40 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: move because from what I can tell, it seems to 41 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: be a real thing that underwent a period of intense 42 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: exploitation and abuse, so much so that now there's a 43 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: lot of people who doubt that it's a real thing, right, 44 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: but that there are still people out there who do 45 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: suffer from it enough so that psychiatry has said, we 46 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: need to change the name and then we just focus 47 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 1: on the people that really have this. Now. Did they 48 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 1: change it because it had a stigma? Really? That was 49 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: the only reason? Yeah? Wow, Yeah, there's this excellent article 50 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: um on I O nine actually about UM. I think 51 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: it's called like the myth of dissociative identity disorder and um, 52 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: the myth of multiple personality disorder. Thank you they went 53 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: old school, yeah, um, and the lady who wrote it 54 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: did a really good job of explaining the controversy around 55 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: it and also like the renewal of it as well, 56 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: like how it became renewed. But yeah, it was because 57 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: it was basically, um exploited and fictionalized by the psychiatric 58 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: community a few notable people that we'll get to all 59 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: that though. Yeah, so, I mean everybody has heard of 60 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: multiple personality disorder thanks to that that period of exploitation 61 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: from the fifties to the eighties. Um, so you have 62 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: probably a pretty good idea of the concept behind it 63 00:03:56,600 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: of the disorder. To begin with, it's a single person 64 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: has their normal, their original UM what's called their host personality, 65 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: and sometimes especially under periods of acute psycho social stress, 66 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: maybe confronted with stress or something they don't want to 67 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: think about or talk about or whatever, another one of 68 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: their personalities will emerge and they're generally tied to a 69 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: trauma and early life that you may not even know 70 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: about until you have therapy that out of your subconscious 71 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: right and UM they believe that for dissociative identity disorder, 72 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: when it does come about from the result of a trauma, 73 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: it comes about as a coping mechanism to protect the 74 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: mind because the the host personality simply can't handle dealing 75 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: with it. But there is some aspect of that person 76 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: which is characterized through another personality that can handle it, 77 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:08,799 Speaker 1: and so that personality will come out to handle those 78 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: periods where UM the the person is confronted with those memories. Yeah, 79 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: and it can express itself in different ways depending on 80 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: UM how severe your disorder is. But generally, if you've 81 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: ever seen United States of terra UM, you ever seen 82 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: that No, I know of it, but I've never seen 83 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: an episode. Emily was way into it. Um, we're talking 84 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: about completely new people. But your behavior, your speech, you 85 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,239 Speaker 1: can be a different sex, you can have a different accent, um, 86 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: different species. Yeah, you could be like a dog technically. UM. 87 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: I think that's a little more rare. I would imagine. Yeah. Um. 88 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: And there is no timetable. That's um. It doesn't necessarily 89 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: happen like right after a trauma. Can come out years later. Um. 90 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: And it just there's not an awareness necessarily. Uh, that's 91 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: a big one. Well, there's not an awareness of the 92 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: host person doesn't have an awareness of the altars coming out. 93 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: Sometimes they do sometimes, but the altars usually are aware 94 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: of the other altars and the host. And that was 95 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: like it was in the United States of Tara. Yeah, 96 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: sometimes the um the altars, which I don't know if 97 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 1: we specifically said or not yet, but an altar is 98 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: one of these non one of the other personalities within 99 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: the host personality, and there's there's usually at least two others. 100 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: There has to be to a host at least one 101 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: other right, Um. But then it can go. People have 102 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: reported up to a hundred or beyond UM, and they 103 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: can happen at the same time too. Yeah, that's another 104 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: thing is they can switch between them um pretty quickly. 105 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: And these periods where the altars emerge can take place 106 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: over the course of days or weeks. Basically, if you 107 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: if you if there's a period where the alls are 108 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 1: really kind of coming out and fluidly changing, that's a 109 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 1: period of severe stress that that person is undergoing. Yeah, 110 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: maybe calling back that previous drama. Maybe not, It might 111 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: just be triggered by stress period. And you said also 112 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: that some sometimes a lot of times the altars are 113 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: aware of each other. There's also been plenty of documented 114 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: cases where the altars don't like each other. Sometimes they 115 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: don't like the host um or they don't have much 116 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: respect for the host uh, or like one of the 117 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: other altars, they don't like how they deal with the host, 118 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: or deal with life, or something like that, which is 119 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: kind of neat because that that shows that these altars 120 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: are aware that that the effects or the actions of 121 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: the other altar or the host affects them. Yeah, like 122 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: if they are somehow they understand that they're part of 123 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: the whole. Well, you can be uh, the host person 124 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: that just the regular Josh is a non drinker and 125 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: you could have an alcoholic altar. Well, yeah, it thinks 126 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: the host is a square. And like, I can't wait 127 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: to get my hands on a drink because Josh is 128 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: like he's he won't go near the stuff. But now 129 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: that I'm randy, I'm gonna buy that twelve pack of 130 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: Maister Brow. Yeah, and very I don't think I've ever 131 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: had a sip of Maister Brow. I had a very 132 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: long night with it about fifteen years ago. Okay, so 133 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: you might have undergone something that's similar to UM dissociative disorder, 134 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: we should say. Also when they renamed associative disorder, they 135 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 1: also took all of these components that used to make 136 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: up multiple personality disorder and split them. So now there's 137 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: four associated disorders. UM. There is dissociative identity disorder, which 138 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: is the most extreme, that's the one with altars and 139 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: different personalities coming out. And then there is UM dissociative amnesia, 140 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: which is remember in our amnesia podcasts? Who brought this 141 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: one about um? Where you just kind of forget a 142 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: certain experience. Yeah, Like I had this terrible car crash. 143 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't even remember it all right, and it was 144 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: dissociative amnesia. That that's that where it's like you don't 145 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: remember the terrible thing that happened to you. Um. There's 146 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: also a dissociative fugue, which is where you basically just 147 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: leave your life. You walk away from your life and 148 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 1: maybe you seem like you're kind of out of it 149 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: or whatever. Maybe you're under the influence of a different personality. Um, 150 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: it's it's not just like I'm not gonna come home 151 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: any longer. It's like you left your life and are 152 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: a different person. You're leading a different life in the 153 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: last days, weeks, months, um and then Chuck. The fourth 154 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: one is deep personalization disorder, which is like you're you're 155 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: watching your life as if you're viewing a movie. You're detached. 156 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: And I think that one. I think these can work 157 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: to other because I know that if you have d 158 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: I D, you definitely have moments of experiencing uh that one. Yeah, 159 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: they they like even if you're just the host, you 160 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: might feel like you're just watching yourself instead of being yourself. 161 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: So dissociative identity disorder diagnosis is almost has like split 162 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: personalities fluid. It switches between the different disorders and the 163 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: one thing that they all have in common is that 164 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: they all appear to be coping mechanisms to protect the 165 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: mind from a trauma. They're basically saying like I'm checking 166 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: out of my life, or I'm detaching myself from my life, 167 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: or I'm just not going to remember that part of 168 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: my life, or I am I can't handle my life 169 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: and this other personality can. Yeah, and it's not. It's 170 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: not always just those things that you know. Some of 171 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: the side symptoms are can be hallucinations. A lot of 172 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: times it leads to substance abuse or eating disorders, UM depression, 173 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: anxiety and mood swings obviously OBVI and UH, memory disturbances 174 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: either short or long term. Right, it's kind of one 175 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: of the keys. Probably UM and you apparently a person 176 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: suffering from the sociative identities sort of just kind of 177 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: like you said, foggy is a really good descriptor of 178 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: if not life, then their periods of UM this condition 179 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: flaring up. I guess. Yeah, just their sense of place 180 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: and time is just completely disrupted. It sounds awful, Yeah, 181 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: it is awful. Yeah, it is UM. Like I said, 182 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: I haven't seen the United States of Terror, but apparently 183 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: it's a lot of comic effect out of yeah, of course, 184 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: but if you have the sociative identity disorder, you'd likely 185 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: have a really hard struggle in life. Yeah, and it 186 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: shows some of that too. I mean it's obviously for TV, 187 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: so there is some comedy with some of the althars, 188 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 1: but it also shows the toll that it takes on 189 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: the family and stuff like that. So, uh, it's this 190 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: has been around for a little while. We've understood it 191 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: its symptoms since at least the late eighteenth century. Yeah, 192 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: and and some early scientists and researchers did a pretty 193 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: good job considering how long ago it was nailing it. Um. Well, 194 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: it's a pretty like extravagant yeah case. Yeah, people come. Sure, doctors, 195 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: especially in the eighteen hundreds and seventeen hundreds, were like 196 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: pretty excited about it, you know. Um, so demonic possession 197 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: and weird things like that. Back in the day, A 198 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: lot of many of those cases may have been things 199 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: like these disorders. Uh, we just didn't know about it 200 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: back then, so we just said someone was a hysteric 201 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: or a witch and they killed them or lock them up, 202 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: you know, in some room. Um. But the first symptoms 203 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: of d i D came around in nineteen and sev 204 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: it's a long time ago. Yeah, a guy named ever 205 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: Heart Gamelon No, yeah, Gamelon, Yeah, I think it's g 206 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: M E L I N. I would go silent g 207 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: on that melon. Why don't they just spell it right, 208 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: that's just a guess. Yeah. Well, he was the first 209 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: one to describe the conditions. He had a patient who 210 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: was a middle class German woman who had an altar 211 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: who was a French aristocrat. So he hypnotized her, brought 212 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: out the French aristocrat, the animal magnetized her or mesmerism. Yeah, 213 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: and we did an episode on hypnosis if you want 214 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: to go check that out. Yeah, it's a very good one. Um. 215 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,359 Speaker 1: But up until the late eighteen hundreds, about eighteen eighty, 216 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: they generally thought that what the deal was was that 217 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: humans had a background consciousness and that was actually greater 218 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 1: than our regular primary consciousness, and when that background consciousness 219 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: got sick, then that's what brought out the cray right, 220 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 1: that that's what mental illness came from. Pretty much basically, 221 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: it was another way of putting the conscious in the subconscious, 222 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: because I mean, and it still today, people believe the 223 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: subconscious exists and that it's the one that's really running 224 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: the show, really is that's still the belief that it's 225 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,680 Speaker 1: greater as far as I know, certainly among Freudians. But yeah, 226 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: that's true. I don't I don't think anyone's really discredited 227 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: the idea of the subconscious. All right, who knows. I'm 228 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: sure we're going to find up here. They're about the 229 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: same time as that was going on. Um, they started 230 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: to tie it with childhood trauma, which is pretty spot on. 231 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: And then a French patient named Louis Viev Viva viv. 232 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: He was twenty two years old and he had this 233 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: is in the late had six personalities. Doctors just went 234 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: crazy over this guy. Um. They didn't overlap with their memories. 235 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: They thought that they were just hypnotic variations of each other. 236 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: They didn't understand though, at the time, that they were 237 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: actually completely separate personalities. They thought it was just all 238 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: parts of Louis, which if you, if you really kind 239 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: of follow the timeline of UM D I D like 240 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: they were. We've come back to that understanding of it. Yeah, 241 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: I guess you're right. You know that it's not like 242 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: just different personalities, it's just different aspects of a single 243 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: personality that are are kind of given voice in a 244 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: very literal like different voice in a literal way, right, 245 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, that's a good point. And then after 246 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: that are actually around the same time, Pierre Janette, another 247 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: French researcher UM said, now these are different personalities and 248 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 1: it comes from a trauma that they suffered, right, So 249 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: he was kind of hit it early on. Yeah, he 250 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: I guess he laid the groundwork for the understanding for 251 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: the next century or so to come. UM. And then uh, 252 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't until nineteen o five that somebody claimed to 253 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: cure a person with UM dissociative identity disorder again back 254 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 1: then known as multiple personality disorder UM, a guy named 255 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: Morton Prince Morty Prince not Martin Prince, Morton Prince UM. 256 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: He basically said that using hypnosis he was able to 257 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: UM coax out the very easily coax out the altars. 258 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: Because this is something like very early on, dissociative identity 259 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: disorder and hypnosis were basically just went hand in hand, 260 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: and UM alienists believed that they could use hypnosis to 261 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: very easily draw out the altars, which they could who 262 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: am I talking to now exactly? Or I want to 263 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: talk to you know, this personality and then start confronting 264 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: those personalities and convincing them to integrate into the host personality. 265 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: And then once you had full successful integration, you had 266 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: a reunited whole host person who was just one personality. 267 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: But the the the key is is that they're using hypnosis, 268 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: and hypnosis doesn't isn't real, right, So, like, we have 269 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: a huge clue here to a mystery of what exactly 270 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 1: is going on. But before anybody really kind of faces 271 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: that and confronts it um and starts to really truly 272 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: treat associative ideality disorder on its face or at its root, 273 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: it treated it on its face. Psychiatry took a really 274 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: like it just went all in and doubled down on 275 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:29,680 Speaker 1: the most um, the sexiest, craziest versions that could come 276 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: up with. So, Chuck, psychiatry is about to say, multiple 277 00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: multiple personality disorder is um exactly what it looks like. 278 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: Some of these people are beyond looney. This guy over 279 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: here as a hundred personalities and seven of them are dogs, 280 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: different dogs. Can you believe this? And uh, these these 281 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 1: cases are going to start to grow by leaps and 282 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: bounds and number and it all can be traced back 283 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: to a single book, which is based on a single 284 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: case history. Yeah, well, a couple of books. Yeah. But 285 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: to start, it was all about Eve, that's right, The 286 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: Three Faces of Eve. It was a book written in 287 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: n seven by two psychiatrists, and it was about a 288 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: woman whose real name was Chris Costner size More, who 289 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: may or may not be related to Kevin Costner. Neither 290 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: I nor anybody on the Internet appears to know for sure. 291 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: I looked, and nobody all there are questions. I can't 292 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: believe I didn't think to look that up. Yeah Costner, Sure, 293 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: there's like two of them, Kevin and who Chris? Okay, um, 294 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: so she, uh, Chris Costner size More went um by 295 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: the name of Eva White, or at least that's what 296 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: they called her in the book, although funnily I didn't 297 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 1: look up to see whether or not she's related to 298 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: Tom size More, just Kevin Costner. Yeah, did I say 299 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: Eva White? I meant Eve White? Yeah, I might said Eve. 300 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: Either way, it's Eve White. And she was referred because 301 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: she had headaches amnesia, and she worked with these two 302 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: psychiatrists and a couple of altars emerged and they wrote 303 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: a book. Well, they supposedly cured her and reintegrated them 304 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: back into one host person, but they wrote a book 305 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: really quickly that exploded on the scene, super popular, made 306 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 1: them a ton of money. There was a big blockbuster movie. Um, 307 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,360 Speaker 1: it was just it took over, well not took over, 308 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: but it made a huge splash and just people's consciousness 309 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 1: about what this is like for the first time time. 310 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: It was everyone you know, like you said, it's kind 311 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: of super sexy and interesting and people were captivated by 312 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: this new disease. And this Eve woman who was really 313 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: three women and one right there was Eve Peggy and 314 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: I can't remember the other one, but um one was 315 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: like a good girl, uh, the other one was like 316 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: a bad girl or a tough girl. And then the 317 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: host was just kind of a combination of the two. Yeah, 318 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 1: and she's still alive, she still is well. She um 319 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: so that this doctor um was it Thigpen. Yeah, doctor 320 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: thigpen Um who was treating her Corbett Thigpen and a 321 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: colleague I believe his name is Henny Cleckly, seriously Cleckly 322 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: and Thigpen so Um Thigpen was the one who wrote 323 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: like really went off the deep end with the book 324 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: and then sold the ladies life rights without her approval 325 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 1: to Hollywood, and they made this story or this movie 326 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: and like you said, it was the Century Fox. Yeah 327 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: it was, and it was. It made a pretty big splash, 328 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,360 Speaker 1: both the book and the movie. Um. And she came 329 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: out and wrote a book called I'm Eve and said, Dude, 330 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,479 Speaker 1: this guy is a total fraud, Like, yes, I do 331 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: have multiple personalities, but they didn't cure me. No, Like 332 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 1: this guy kept insisting I was cured. It didn't work. 333 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: He uh, he shot me up with sodium pentethal and 334 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: like just used the power of suggestion. Um. And he's 335 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: just a huckster, basically he was after the story. Um, 336 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: but here I am left with my conditions still. Yeah. 337 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: And she had reportedly suffered, UM witnessed a bad accident 338 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: and witnessed to deaths as a child and that's where 339 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: hers was born. So UM that set the stage that 340 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: for popular consciousness to um kind of come to understand 341 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: multiple personality disorder, which again that's what it was called 342 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: at the time. UM. And I mean it was all 343 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: over the place, like people just people were just aware 344 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: of it, whereas they hadn't been before. UM. And it 345 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: was kind of like a one two punch. You had 346 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: all about Eve and the fifties, and then about fifteen 347 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: years later you had Sybil. And Sybil was the one 348 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: that blew this thing wide open. It just happened, I guess, 349 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: to arrive at a time when UM America was really 350 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: ready to um undergo or be party to psychological exploitation 351 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,880 Speaker 1: like big time. Yeah. And in nine three is when 352 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: Sybil the book came out, UM written by oh uh, 353 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: let's see Flora Rita Schreiber about her treatment with psychiatrist 354 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: Cornelia Wilbur and about the treatment of the real name 355 00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: was Shirley Mason, and they kept that a secret for 356 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: many years Sybil, Yeah, to protect her her identity. Um, 357 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: but eventually the name came out. Well, she died in 358 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, she died ninety eight breast cancer. But um, 359 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: she had sixteen personalities. And like I said, Sally Field 360 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 1: played her in the movie. It was a big hit. 361 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: I remember my mom reading the book. It was all 362 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: the rage in the seventies. Yeah, it was huge, huge, 363 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: And um, she was actually an artist, a painter, and 364 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: like taught painting too, I think. But they found a 365 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: hundred and three paintings in her basement after she died, 366 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: and she only signed the ones that she felt like 367 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: she the host had painted, like she wouldn't sign the 368 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,239 Speaker 1: ones that an Altar had painted. So many of them 369 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: are unsigned. But it's when you look at it, it's 370 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: really like they're all different, like some are like realist, 371 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: some are abstract, some are impressionistic, really all over the map, 372 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: and it's just I don't know, kind of a testament 373 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: to like how real this can be? Is there a 374 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: website that hosts all of them? Uh? I don't know. 375 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: I think if you look just look up, you know, 376 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: hidden paintings of Sybil, you can probably buy them. And 377 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: that would be what s I B y L is 378 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: how they spelled that? No s y b I L Yeah, 379 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 1: um so sybils a smash hit. It's based on the wave, 380 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: the first wave that was brought about by all about 381 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: Eve and the public is um just fully aware of 382 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: multiple personality disorders like these two are like the cream 383 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: of the crop. There were tons of made for TV 384 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: movies and um Donna Hue episodes and all sorts of 385 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: just chatter about multiple personality disorder, and all of a sudden, 386 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: the cases go from about two hundred in the medical 387 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: literature to suddenly eight thousand after the movie Sybil comes 388 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: out and it seems like every psychiatrist has a patient 389 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: with multiple personality disorder. And because of all this the 390 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: since nationalism that went along with it, there are fortunately 391 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: a caudra of serious psychiatrists and psychologists who said, wait 392 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,400 Speaker 1: a minute, what, like what what what's going on here? 393 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: Like movies aren't supposed to trigger outbreaks of disorders. Some 394 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: people explained it away by saying, well, there, these people 395 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: may have didn't suffering like this. They didn't have a 396 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: name to associate with. The movie gave him the name 397 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: so they could go to the doctor and speak to 398 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: it and be treated right. Um, that is one explanation. 399 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: The problem is the explanation that this was a real 400 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: phenomenon and not like some sort of um what do 401 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: they call, I guess outbreak of mass hysteria A little 402 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: bit um And this is a no way to diminish 403 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: anybody who's suffering mentally in any way, of course, But 404 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the specific moment in history in the 405 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: seventies in the West where there was an outbreak of 406 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: multiple personality disorder cases. Um idea that it was a 407 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: real thing was definitely undermined by the Cibil case itself, which, 408 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: like contemporaneously some psychiatrists said, this isn't a peer reviewed 409 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: case history. We think this is basically all just made up. Well, 410 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: the lid was blown off, specifically by a single doctor 411 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: in Sybil's case. Dr Herbert Spiegel apparently treated um Sybil. Well, 412 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: it's not a real name, but we'll call her Sybil 413 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: while the uh Wilbur was out of town, and he 414 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, this doesn't add up. He 415 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: said these case notes. Yeah, he said, it seems like 416 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: she's really highly suggestible. Uh. It seems like you gave 417 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: her sodian pentethal and she's addicted to that, and it 418 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: seems like you might have not necessarily on purpose coached 419 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: her into saying these things. Well, there's there was um 420 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: at least one instance where that fill in doctor who's 421 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: treating um uh Sybil, said that they were in a 422 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: session and Sybil said, um, which which personality you want 423 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: me to be? Uh? Which is not something you say 424 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: when you can't control your altars. Uh. And then secondly 425 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: there was in the case notes there was a reference 426 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: to a note or a statement by Sybil to her 427 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: doctor Dr Wilbur that said, I do not even have 428 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: a double. I am all of them. I've been lying 429 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: in my pretense of them. And Dr Wilbur noted that 430 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: she wrote this up to avoidance behavior, that Sybil was 431 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: trying to avoid having to confront reintegrating her her personalities, 432 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: and that's why she was saying that she was lying. UM. 433 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: So when all of this kind of came out and 434 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: was added up and combined with this outbreak of um 435 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: multiple personality disorder cases in the late seventies early eighties, 436 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: it was it was pretty damning. But then when it 437 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: became obvious that satanic ritual abuse, yeah, that moral panic 438 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: that happened was following right on the heels of this, 439 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: I think the scientific community stepped back and said, Okay, 440 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: America's is crazy, well and not in the mental health 441 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: problem kind of way, like just just crazy. Yeah. I 442 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: think I think a lot of that came about because 443 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 1: the it started to become a legal defense, uh, and 444 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: people started explaining way very bad behaviors on altars and 445 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: claiming in court like it wasn't me that killed my wife, 446 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: it was Tony man. It sounds like we're talking about 447 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: the Lifetime Movie network here. You know, this Lifetime Movie 448 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: network is all over these stories. Yeah, I bet you 449 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: there's quite a few of those movies out there. Right. 450 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: So all this is going on, it becomes very apparent 451 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: that this isn't a real thing. Um, And fortunately for 452 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: the people who actually do suffer from this disorder, psychiatry said, 453 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: all right, let's get rid of the multiple personality disorder moniker, 454 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: and we're gonna rename it dissociative identity disorder. We're gonna 455 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: completely remove it from what just happened because that was pitiful, 456 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 1: and um, we're gonna get down to basics. We're gonna 457 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: go back to the way of addressing this, of viewing 458 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: this that um, the doctor who described Louis Vivey came 459 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: up with all the way back in that it's just 460 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: variations of the host personality, not truly separate personalities, and 461 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 1: that if we treat the underlying cause or even just 462 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: the co morbid symptoms drug addiction, alcoholism, depression, the hallucinations, 463 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: the mood swings, anxiety, if we treat all this, most 464 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: likely the depression identity disorders also going to be treated 465 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: in kind Yeah. I think another thing that lended itself 466 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: to that too, where doctor started being sued in the 467 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: nineties by people saying, wait a minute, you've got me 468 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: on these drugs, you're hypnotizing me. You're saying, you're calling 469 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: coercing me into calling out these altars, and so I'm 470 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,200 Speaker 1: gonna sue you. Yeah, I'm glad you said that, because 471 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: it is worth revisiting. I don't think we really laid 472 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: this at the feet of psychiatrists enough. There were people 473 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: who saw this movie who were feeling this way, who 474 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: maybe felt like they they had more than one personality 475 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: and went to and I think everyone feels that way 476 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: a little bit sometimes, you know. But if you're a 477 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: highly suggestible person and you see this movie and you 478 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: start thinking like, wow, maybe that's what I have, and 479 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: they inject you with sodian pentethal right, you go to 480 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: a medical professional. That medical professional isn't supposed to be like, yeah, yeah, 481 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: you have that. And and this one's named Tim. Tim 482 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: is very aggressive personality. I can see Tim coming out now. 483 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,320 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, the person's like Tim, 484 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 1: Like yes, that person's life has been altered, probably for 485 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: the negative, because of a UM, at the very least, 486 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: a dubious medical expert um. And yes, so of course 487 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: they were sued, and they should have been sued. It 488 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: was a really dark spot in the history of psychiatry, 489 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: which has a lot of dark spots on its history. Frankly, 490 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: you know this was this was one of them. But 491 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: like I said, again, um, there were a group of 492 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: psychiatrists who said, no, this is there's something real here. 493 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: We've just been looking at it the wrong way. We 494 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: allowed it to become sensationalized. We need to learn that lesson. 495 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: But at the same time, we need to identify the 496 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: people who really are suffering from this and figure out 497 00:31:39,640 --> 00:32:04,160 Speaker 1: how to help them. Okay, Chuck. So now we're at 498 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: they've renamed multiple personality disorder and now it's UM dissociative 499 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: identity disorder. So let's talk about how it's treated, how 500 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: it manifests, what it is. So the I guess the 501 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: modern understanding from what I can tell, seems to be that, UM, 502 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:26,880 Speaker 1: the associative identity disorder is a person who has well, 503 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: let's talk about personality. What identity is? Okay, okay, what 504 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: if your identity is basically the a script that you've 505 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: been equipped with, that's been developed and refined in nuance, 506 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: but also very much brutalized and solidified over the years, 507 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 1: so that when you are faced with any any anything 508 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: in life, you're going to react in a prescribe predictable way. 509 00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: That's your identity. Now, what if your identity is such that, um, 510 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: it doesn't handle stress very well, but you're still confronted 511 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: with stress. But that doesn't but handling stress isn't part 512 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,719 Speaker 1: of that script that makes up your identity. Well, in 513 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: the case of a very very extreme case, it's possible 514 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: that a person will subsume their normal personality and draw 515 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 1: out some aspect that isn't predictable, that isn't prescribed, but 516 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: it is still part of themselves and put that front 517 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: and center to deal with that stress. And it might 518 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: cuss out the person like a psychiatrist who's confronting them 519 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: with the stress. It may be very protective of that personality, 520 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: but the point is it's still part of that single person. 521 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: It's just a different aspect showing when you take it 522 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: to its extreme conclusion, what you're looking at then are 523 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: two different personalities, split personalities, or multiple personalities. That's apparently 524 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: what dissociative identity disorder is So are you saying you 525 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: don't believe that when someone comes out in a British 526 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: accent and says my name is Rob, Like, that's not real. 527 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: I don't think the word real is a good word 528 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 1: because I think that that person it's real, and that's 529 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: reality right there, you know. I mean, like, if if 530 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: a person is experiencing a different personality and it happens 531 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 1: to be a British guy named Rob, that's the reality 532 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: right then. I don't think these people who have dissociative 533 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: identity disorder are faking. I don't think it's made up. 534 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: I don't think they're necessarily playing along. I think that's 535 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: what happened in the eighties. Everybody was just kind of 536 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: playing along. But I think if you actually have dissociative 537 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: identity disorder, like this is your experience, this is reality 538 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: to you, Like you do feel detached from your life, 539 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: you do have missing time, like you do experience this, 540 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 1: So yes, it's real for you. It's more how the 541 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 1: psychiatric community or the mental health community has to view 542 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 1: dissociative identity disorder in order to treat it. That it 543 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,400 Speaker 1: isn't that they aren't separate personalities because you can basically, Um, 544 00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: that's tantamount to saying you're possessed by a demon that's 545 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: a whole other person in there with you. And that's 546 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 1: just not the case. And if you view it like that, 547 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to treat it. Did 548 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,879 Speaker 1: you find anyone famous with it? No? Did you herschel Walker? No? Really? Yeah, 549 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: you knew about that, right, Uh? No, famous former Georgia 550 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: Bulldog running back an NFL star, herschel Walker. He suffers 551 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: from d I D and he wrote a book called 552 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 1: Breaking Free. And he has no memory of winning the 553 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,760 Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy. Oh no, he has no memory of putting 554 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,799 Speaker 1: a gun to his wife's head something that's happened in 555 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: his life. Uh, no memory of any of these things. 556 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 1: And he says he has as many as twelve altars, 557 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: and um, his his wife, I don't know if they're 558 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,240 Speaker 1: still together, I don't think. But his wife many years 559 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: thinks like it all makes sense now, Like when she 560 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: finally he came out with this, and he just came 561 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: out with a few years ago, she was like, well, 562 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: this totally makes sense because I saw very different people 563 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 1: through the course of our marriage. Out of nowhere. That 564 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: made no sense and she was like it was not 565 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: a mood swing and um he uh. He's famous for 566 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: not just being a football player, Like he was into ballet, 567 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: he went to FBI school, he was an Olympic bobsltter. 568 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 1: What he's he's done all these things he was. He's 569 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,439 Speaker 1: a mixed martial artist now and he thinks that these 570 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: altars are you know, basically why he has so many 571 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: like varying interest in life. Yeah, that is really fascinating. 572 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: So what do you think about it? What's your take 573 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,839 Speaker 1: on dissociated by Danny disorder? Well, I'm not sure i'd 574 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: see the difference between Like that's what a disorder mental 575 00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: disorder is, is some believing something about themselves. Like I 576 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: guess I don't see the difference between someone thinking they 577 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: have these different personalities. Like a personality isn't a tangible 578 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: thing anyway, Like you can't touch it. So if someone 579 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: believes they have four different personalities, then they may as 580 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: well have four different personalities. Like I get you what 581 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: you're saying. I guess it's all part of that person. 582 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: But if it's a disorder, that means it's causing a problem, right, 583 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: I think the fact that when I see cases of 584 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: what looks like real d I d like herschel Walker, 585 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: no memory of of certain things like it's it's certainly 586 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: more powerful than you know. That's bad Chuck coming out 587 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,880 Speaker 1: because I don't deal with stress. Well, we'll call him Tony, 588 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,320 Speaker 1: you know. But if I blacked out and didn't remember 589 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: my actions for several days, and those actions included putting 590 00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: a gun to my wife's head, then that's a whole 591 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: different thing. Yeah, you know, because I'm certainly moody. We 592 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:08,440 Speaker 1: all know bad Chuck. We all know Tony Tony nice. 593 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: All right, Well, I guess that's it about dissociative identity disorder. 594 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about it, type those 595 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: words in the search part how stuff works dot Com 596 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 1: and they'll bring up this article. And since I said 597 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: search parts, time for listener mail. Uh, I'm gonna call 598 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: this real world advice for Tony. This is guy's name 599 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 1: is Tony? Oh no, yeah, total accident. Hey, guys, I 600 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: recently returned from to the States from living in the 601 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,640 Speaker 1: Republic of Korea, mostly teaching English there for the last 602 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: four years. Returned home to get a job different from that, 603 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: and now that I'm at home, I can't figure out 604 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: what to do. Uh. To give you context, I've been 605 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: actively interviewing with all sorts of companies, organizations and firms 606 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: positions and marketing, sales, business development, finance, consulting. Anyway, I 607 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,160 Speaker 1: find most of those roles to be too boring. I 608 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: also feel pressured and burden because I studied engineering at 609 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 1: Columbia University and feel a burden to be successful quote unquote, 610 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,799 Speaker 1: I am very much stuck in a rut looking for 611 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: a job, uh, not excited by my prospects, and asking 612 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,239 Speaker 1: what do I want to do. I don't really want 613 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 1: to go back to school because I can't afford to 614 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: pay for a master's degree, especially if I'm not certain 615 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: or pretty certain that that advanced degree will improve my situation. 616 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: So I'm emailing you guys because I'm an advoliser and 617 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,160 Speaker 1: I think we share similar perspectives on things, and you 618 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: have great careers that are thrilling and aspirable. So I'm 619 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: not quite saying I want to be you guys, or 620 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,239 Speaker 1: I want your jobs, but I see both these people 621 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: that are really interesting salt of the earth folk who 622 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: can relate to my situation more so, than my investment management, consulting, law, youring, 623 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: med school friends. So Tony h. De Frieda's wants to 624 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,879 Speaker 1: know what he should do. Man, that's a tough one. 625 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: I've actually been thinking about this too email for a 626 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: couple of days now. Yeah yeah, okay, I mean like 627 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: he's asking for help, sure, so give it to him. Well, 628 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,839 Speaker 1: my first bit of advice would be to narrow down 629 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 1: your scope a little bit. If you studied engineering and 630 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: you're looking at marketing, sales, business development, finance, consulting, I 631 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: think you're casting your net a little too wide. Yeah, 632 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: So my first bit of advice is to narrow that down. 633 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: And my second bit of advice is to narrow it 634 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: down based on often tell people like what do you what, 635 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: what do you love? And what would you love to do? 636 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: Ideally what they call blue sky territory here in the 637 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: corporate world. It sounds like also to me, you're asking 638 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people, but you're spending a lot of 639 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,399 Speaker 1: time like just keeping it at the forty foot level. 640 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 1: Like maybe you sit for a little while with a 641 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:51,280 Speaker 1: legal pen a pen and like be quiet and gather 642 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: your thoughts and then brainstorm after that, just even for 643 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 1: like a half hour twenty minutes something like that. If 644 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: for your future that you're thinking about, you could probably 645 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: come up with a half hour to dedicate just to that. 646 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: But just turn everything off and like really focus inward 647 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: and say what do you want to do, and then 648 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,400 Speaker 1: go for that, And don't feel obligated to use your degree. 649 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: Most people can go to college, don't use the degree 650 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: that they got. It's more like they went through college 651 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: to show they can go through college, you know. Yeah, 652 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: and he didn't list engineer anywhere and what he was 653 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: looking into, even though that's what his degrees in. Yeah. 654 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,240 Speaker 1: Here's the other thing too, there are very few um 655 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 1: career choices or life paths that go that go absolutely nowhere. 656 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,759 Speaker 1: And you shouldn't be afraid to take steps that you 657 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: that aren't necessarily the prescribed way to go. Yeah, and 658 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,799 Speaker 1: don't be worried about locking yourself in for life necessarily, 659 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, like try something out that you love and 660 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: it may bear fruit. Yeah, and if it doesn't work, 661 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: you can always just go get like a guaranteed job 662 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: or something afterward. Yeah. Yeah, And something that interests you 663 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: now isn't necessarily going to interest you five years from now. 664 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: So yeah, I think you're worrying too much, Tony, or 665 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: Tony if this was a very sly way of trying 666 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: to get the word out with your resume, and you're 667 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:22,720 Speaker 1: out there and you want to Columbia University grad engineering degree, 668 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 1: who's interested in sales and business development and finance? Let 669 00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: us know, interested in anything? See captain ing whatever? Uh So, 670 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: spend some time, be quiet with your thoughts, trying to 671 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 1: decide what you love and if you could make a 672 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,240 Speaker 1: career out of that. And uh, if we hear anything, 673 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: then we'll let you know. It sounds like you're up 674 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,359 Speaker 1: for adventure because you lived in Korea. We have them 675 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,320 Speaker 1: for garden seed. Yeah. We give him a lot of 676 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: advice here. Yeah, this is plenty. Take some of that 677 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: and do something with it, Tony. Let us know how 678 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: it goes. Please. Uh. 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