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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Professional Homegirl Podcast. Before

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Speaker 1: we begin today's episode, we want to remind you that

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Speaker 1: the views and opinions expressed on this podcast are those

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Speaker 1: of the hosts and guests and are intended for educational

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Speaker 1: and entertaining purposes. In this safe space, no question is

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Speaker 1: off limits because you never know how someone's storyline can

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Speaker 1: be your lifeline. The Professional Homegirl Podcast is here to

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Speaker 1: celebrate the diverse voices, stories and experiences of women of color,

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Speaker 1: providing a platform for authentic and empowering conversations. There will

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Speaker 1: be some key king, some tears, but most importantly a

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Speaker 1: reminder that tough times don't last, but professional homegirls do

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Speaker 1: enjoy the show.

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Speaker 2: What's Up Professional Homegirls? Ishagura, eb and A here and

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Speaker 2: we are back with another amazing conversation. But before we start,

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Speaker 2: I want to be transparent about what's been going on

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Speaker 2: with me, y'all. I haven't been feeling like myself as

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Speaker 2: of lately, and I think I'm burned out. My battery,

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Speaker 2: my social battery is very low, and I think that

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Speaker 2: explains why I haven't been physically feeling one hundred percent

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Speaker 2: like myself. And I feel like I've been sick since

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Speaker 2: the beginning of the year, like I cannot get rid

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Speaker 2: of this cough. I got sniffles, like I don't know, y'all,

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Speaker 2: Like I just feel like I'm just like I'm just

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Speaker 2: I'm done. And y'all know, I've been working so hard

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Speaker 2: on building the Professional Homegirl just overall brand, and you know,

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Speaker 2: whether it's finding new conversations, breaking on Merge, you know,

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Speaker 2: building the YouTube page, what y'all please follow at the

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Speaker 2: Professional Homegirl on YouTube, you know, just doing everything in

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Speaker 2: my power to make this happen, with making PHG a

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Speaker 2: household name, and don't even get me started with the

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Speaker 2: colonizers by nine to five. It's been a lot. It's

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Speaker 2: been a lot, and because of all this grinding, y'all know,

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Speaker 2: it comes with a lot of sacrifices, and one of

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Speaker 2: those sacrifices have been my health.

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Speaker 3: And I'm just.

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Speaker 2: Really, I'm really tired. I'm really I'm a little burnt out.

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Speaker 2: And of course I believe in the Professional Homegirls so

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Speaker 2: much so you know, it has definitely changed my life

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Speaker 2: in many ways. And I'm pretty sure from the letters

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Speaker 2: that y'all send me, it's definitely changed you all's life

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Speaker 2: and you know, these past few weeks, I've been talking

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Speaker 2: to my prayer warriors, which is my girlfriends and just

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Speaker 2: a couple of mentors and just people who have been

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Speaker 2: with me along this journey, and you know, they've been

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Speaker 2: praying for me. And as I've been praying, one of

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Speaker 2: the things that I remember is the times that I

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Speaker 2: pray to God to be exactly where I'm at and

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Speaker 2: has that also has been a struggle, because you know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes I beat myself up because it's like, damn, I

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Speaker 2: pray for this, and I'm really standing in the middle

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Speaker 2: of those prayers that I once pray for. But man,

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Speaker 2: these blessings, y'all, it's a lot of work. I try

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Speaker 2: not to beat myself up too much about it, because

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Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm really thankful, and I know I'm blessed,

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Speaker 2: and I know from where I come from and from

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Speaker 2: and to where I'm going, it's a lot of people

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Speaker 2: would love to be where I'm at, and I try,

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Speaker 2: I try, I try not to complain, but it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's been a lot, y'all. It's I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: feel like I'm about to get emotional, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just really tired. So I want to say,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not leaving or anything. The episode is going

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Speaker 2: to keep coming, but I just want to say, you know,

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Speaker 2: thank you all for your support and just for always

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Speaker 2: just loving me. I feel like, you know, we are

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Speaker 2: so connected, me and my professional homegirls, home boys, and

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Speaker 2: y'all been sending me so many messages just telling me

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Speaker 2: to rest. Taylor is always telling me the rest, and

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Speaker 2: you know I'm sending I'm receiving messages letting me know

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Speaker 2: that you all been praying for me. I don't know,

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Speaker 2: maybe y'all can hear the tiredness in my voice sometimes,

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Speaker 2: you know, I really really try to push through. But

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Speaker 2: if I'm being honest, I had a conversation that I

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Speaker 2: don't know if I'm going to error or not, and

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Speaker 2: I was just it's it was just yeah, I couldn't

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Speaker 2: thank y'all enough for those reminders because some days are

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Speaker 2: really hard. Y'all, it's really hard. So yeah, so thank

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Speaker 2: y'all for loving me. You know, keep sending me those

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Speaker 2: like God always sends me a little reminders through you

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Speaker 2: all so. And also now you can send me voice

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Speaker 2: messages that I'm really excited about which will be future

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Speaker 2: on the show. So you can click the link in

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Speaker 2: dot speakpipe dot com, forward slash phg to leave a

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Speaker 2: mess such You only got ninety seconds, so make it

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Speaker 2: good now. Okay, Now, this week's episode will be a

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Speaker 2: rewind episode, a future in my conversation with Lynn and

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Speaker 2: recording and was planning to redrop the swinger episode I

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Speaker 2: did a few years ago with a woman who is

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Speaker 2: known as the mother of Swingers, and that was a

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Speaker 2: really good informative conversation. However, Debbie an og professional homegirl,

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Speaker 2: Hey girl, Hey, she sent me a love letter and

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Speaker 2: she shared her favorite episodes and one of them was

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Speaker 2: the conversation that I did with the Biases mother, and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my god, that was such a good conversation. Plus,

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Speaker 2: like many of you, Debbie is an NBA girly, and

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Speaker 2: with everything that's going on with Lebron James and his

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Speaker 2: I thought that this would be the perfect episode to drop,

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much, Debbie for that reminder. Plus

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Speaker 2: it's so funny because I recorded this conversation in twenty

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Speaker 2: came at the perfect time with the messages that the

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Speaker 2: Biases mothers shared about the different seasons that we have

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Speaker 2: if my past self knew what my current self needed

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Speaker 2: doing certain times. And this episode definitely poured back into me, y'all,

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Speaker 2: the Bias's story growing up. But I don't know if

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Speaker 2: y'all remember that episode on Snowfall where they talked about

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Speaker 2: Lynn's story and it was pretty much showing Linn or

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Speaker 2: the character that was playing Linn, and everything that led

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Speaker 2: and seeing how his story was portrayed on Snowfall added

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Speaker 2: a new debt to my understanding and appreciation of the

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Speaker 2: Bias's journey. Also in Debbie's email, she mentioned that it

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Speaker 2: was Lynn's death, not Nancy Reagan, that to convince her

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Speaker 2: impact that Linn's story had on people's live including my own.

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Speaker 2: So it's only right that we dropped this rewind episode

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Speaker 2: remind ourselves of the powerful lessons with them. My conversation

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Speaker 2: to know so much about your sons, Lynn and Jay,

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Speaker 2: especially Lynn being that he was one of the greatest

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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you so much. I love your message in

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Speaker 3: terms of bringing anonymous Afro American black females on your program,

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Speaker 3: and I was excited about that curve that you take

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Speaker 3: in terms of your interviews. So it's an honor. As

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Speaker 3: I said earlier, oh thank you.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm pretty sure everybody know who you are.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Well.

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Speaker 2: I watched like ten of your interviews and I was

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Speaker 2: just very inspired by you. And I know that you

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Speaker 2: heard this all the time, but to me, you are

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Speaker 2: really like a national treasure.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And one of the things that I loved on your

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Speaker 2: motivational speeches is when you talked about the four things

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Speaker 2: you learned about the life the limits will give you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, the four things in life that lemons will give you. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I have to think, I really have to think you're

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Speaker 3: you're speaking of lemons to lemonade. Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: So one of the ones you were saying, how how

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Speaker 3: I give my introduction of myself is I give a

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Speaker 3: that we are all in a time of the good life.

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Speaker 3: Money can't do it, position can't do it. Life will

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Speaker 3: And the fourth point is life after death. And life

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Speaker 3: And then when some people like to rush the process,

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Speaker 3: it moving. But as I said earlier, if you don't

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Speaker 3: Well, it was a marvelous platform. And to be sitting

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Speaker 2: Why I think you do a great job because I'm

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Speaker 3: remember it. She told me that the world was going

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00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 3: to come to an end. God was going to destroy

435
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: the earth by fire, and I was terrified. I can

436
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: remember walking home from school in the fourth grade looking

437
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: up at this at heaven saying, God, is this the

438
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: day that You're going to destroy the world. So my destiny,

439
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: as it says in Jeremiah, God knew me before I

440
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 3: was in my mother's wound, and knew the work that

441
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: I was going to do. And to give me a

442
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: beautiful husband to partner with me and to cover me.

443
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 3: Why I go out, Why we team up and I

444
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 3: go out on the mission and feel I think that

445
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 3: the seeds are so valuable that you plant in children,

446
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: They are so valuable. And if the only thing they

447
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: hear a cuss words, MF this be this, You're not nothing,

448
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: You're not gonna be blah blah blah blah blah negative negative, negative,

449
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: Well words are seeds, and they go in and they

450
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: will reproduce after their own time. But when you put

451
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 3: good in, when you put good in, fruit will come forth.

452
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,959
Speaker 3: And that's one thing that I have been delighted about

453
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 3: for thirty five years is because there's no word that

454
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: I have spoken that I felt have been insignificant or futile.

455
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: When I stand before my audiences, I stand before my

456
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 3: audiences believing that they can do it. You can do it,

457
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 3: You can do it, but you've got to press. The

458
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 3: only way you can get oil from in all of

459
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: this to crush it. The only way you can get

460
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: juice from an orange just to squeeze it. And the

461
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: only way you can get fragrance from a rose is

462
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: to crush it. You know, life is not a rose garden,

463
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 3: and even when you walk through a rose garden, there

464
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: are plenty of thorns on the rose bushes.

465
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: How long have you your husband been married? Y'all been

466
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: for a very.

467
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 3: Long time, right, I'll just say over fifty years.

468
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 2: Oh that's amazing, isn't it. That's amazing.

469
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: I hope I have that real, for real, for real,

470
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: for real. And what we have to learn about marriage

471
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: is is that you have two individuals coming together and

472
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 3: you have to work at through the hills and the valleys.

473
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: And the one thing is is that the marriage never

474
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 3: goes on the table. The issues go on the table.

475
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying, Because when we put the

476
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: issues we're concerned about on the table that that leaves.

477
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: We're opening up for healing. We want the best. So

478
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: even if your mate is not ready to open up,

479
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: can you endure the patients? Can you build your character?

480
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: Can you develop patience? Do you really believe in your marriage?

481
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: It's warfare. It's warfare, And I'm sure if my husband

482
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 3: was on here he would tell you as well. But

483
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 3: we have a decent marriage. We're still in love with

484
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: each other. We both have a measure of health and strength.

485
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: We have six beautiful grandchildren, and God is great and

486
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: God is good, and two remaining children.

487
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: All the time. And then you had altogether you have

488
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: four kids. One was a girl and three boys.

489
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: Right, and my daughter had the same thing, one girl

490
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 3: and three boys. Oh wow, Yeah.

491
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: So when did you notice that Lynn was good at basketball?

492
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 3: Well, we didn't find that out until he got in

493
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: middle school. Well then it was junior high school, and

494
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 3: they had intramurial games, and he took a growing He

495
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: just shot up all of a sudden, and he was tall,

496
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 3: and he took an interest in basketball in the seventh

497
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: or eighth grade. And usually they had theater schools and

498
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: the coach from the junior high school, told the coach

499
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: of the high school that there is a young man

500
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: he may be interested in coming over who could possibly,

501
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: you know, had natural instincts about the game. And that's

502
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 3: that's how it happened. It wasn't that we took him

503
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: to AAU games and put him in all kinds of camps.

504
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: That just sprouted up with its height. It just popped up.

505
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: And I know you told a funny story about how

506
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: he wanted you to punch him in his stomach.

507
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: Yes, when he was in college. I want to say

508
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: that it was his his senior year in college, senior

509
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 3: or junior year. I didn't know what a six pack was,

510
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: but I can tell you he had one. And he said, man,

511
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: he lifted his shirt up. He said, hit me in

512
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: my stomach as hard as you can. And I said, boy,

513
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 3: get out of my face with none of your stomach.

514
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: Go ahead, mom, for real, for real. So I bawled

515
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 3: up my fists and hit him in his stomach. He

516
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 3: didn't hear I did, and it felt like a brick

517
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 3: wall and he started laughing. I told you, I told

518
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 3: you so. And I also think about before he died,

519
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: like I said, I was a Christian, and he came

520
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 3: to me and talking about this song that he liked

521
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 3: by Whitney. He had study The Greatest Love of All

522
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 3: and he said, Mom, you should listen to it. And

523
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 3: you know me a holy roller back then, I don't

524
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: listen to that kind of music. And this, MA, you

525
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 3: need to hear this song. And after his I listened

526
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 3: to it. I listened to it. He got it for me.

527
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 3: I listened to it. I don't know how if we

528
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 3: were there together, I can't remember, but I listened to it.

529
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: And that song became the anthem for my presentations as

530
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 3: I began to travel, reciting verse by verse the Greatest

531
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: Love of All? What each verse meant, That's what I

532
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: used to teach. So before he left, he left me.

533
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: I feel that he left me the script to use

534
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: to help young people, to help young people, the script.

535
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 3: He gave it to me because the greatest love of

536
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 3: all is the love that you must have for yourself.

537
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: I agree. And then you also spoke about how, which

538
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: I didn't know. And one of my best friends, because

539
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 2: he loved limbias. He didn't know that he was major

540
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 2: in interior design and he loved poetry.

541
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, he was an artist. As a matter

542
00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: of fact, someone called us recently and came across a

543
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 3: picture that he had drawn when he was in high school.

544
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:13,760
Speaker 3: Oh wow, uh huh. Yeah, and he was a poet.

545
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 3: He was. He loved the interior design. He was very

546
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,320
Speaker 3: introspective in terms of nature and the beauty of things

547
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 3: around him. He would bring home a rock and say, Mom,

548
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: isn't this a pretty rock? Look at it, isn't it beautiful?

549
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 3: And this is when he was a young boy. So

550
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: he had a lot of gifts and talents. He is

551
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:58,479
Speaker 3: a sorely missed but we we will never forget him.

552
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 3: But we live every day anyhow, you know, we keep

553
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: it moving. We keep it moving. But and all of

554
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 3: his nieces and nephews, because of social media, they go

555
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: on and they're just like both of them are living.

556
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: They talk about them just like they are living today.

557
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: That's amazing. And I could tell how much how loved,

558
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: and we don't talk about jas love because one thing

559
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: I know is in some of your interviews, I feel

560
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: like a lot of people didn't touch on Jay as much.

561
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 2: And I feel like it's only right that we also

562
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: allow people know more about him as well.

563
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 3: Yes, my precious Jay, My precious precious J. And there

564
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: are so many people that grieve the death of len

565
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 3: Bias and I can still be in the presence of

566
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 3: people that will speak his name and cry and with

567
00:38:56,040 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 3: my son J. People felt that way. How do you

568
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 3: think his brother felt right and just trying to make

569
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: it And it was so much cruelty. It so many

570
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 3: things he experienced in life. And you know, it's sad

571
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: in our society today it's escalated, but people have become

572
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: accustomed to being cruel and spreading cruelty, you know what

573
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: I mean. And Jay thirty five years ago experienced it.

574
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 3: And we tried and tried and tried with him just

575
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 3: to keep him comfortable and just tried to make it

576
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: with him. But it was a long process and he

577
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 3: was still grieving for his brother. I can imagine when

578
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 3: he died, he was still grieving for his brother.

579
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I read in one article. I want to jump ahead,

580
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: but I really want to article. How do he said

581
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: like he idolizes Linn, like Lim was his idol?

582
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, it was his oldest brother. It was his

583
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: oldest brother. And the fun they used to have together

584
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: because we're very close family, and just the things they

585
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 3: used to do together. I never dreamed that I would

586
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 3: have to drink from a cup like that. We're going

587
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 3: along minding our business, raising our children the best we

588
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 3: kid and then forty two months later you have the

589
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 3: same old song. Right. And I can remember when I

590
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: went to the hospital when I was called about Jay.

591
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: I asked my daughter. When we went, I went into

592
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 3: the waiting room of the for the loved one, and

593
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 3: I'm the family waiting room. I asked my daughter. I said, well,

594
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 3: how is Jay doing it? She said, Aunt, Jane is gone.

595
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: I said, no, you're joking. I know. Huh no, no, no, no, no, no,

596
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: no no. I could not believe it. And I was

597
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 3: so mad with God and with the world. I locked

598
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: myself in my bedroom for three days. People would bring

599
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 3: me food or something to drink, and I would take

600
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 3: the cup and throw it up against the wall. I

601
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 3: was so angry with God. But his patience endures forever,

602
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: and he patiently waits on the fruit of the earth.

603
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: And after the third day, I got myself together and

604
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: got up, came out of the room. After I kicked

605
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: the slats out of my crib and got over, was

606
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 3: able to get up and move move on that God

607
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 3: is in control, and take up this bitter cup and

608
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: drink it and move on. I wanted here to make

609
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: his his funeral arrangements with the help of other friends

610
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: and family.

611
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: Right well, I want to revisit that because I don't

612
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 2: want to, because I do want to speak more to

613
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: you about Jay, because I did read some stories about

614
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 2: how it was, which I can only imagine difficult for him.

615
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: What was draft night like for you and your family?

616
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: Because Lynn was a second overall pick for the NBA

617
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 2: Draft in nineteen eighty six and he was selected by

618
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics.

619
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: Are you a basketball then, firally, Oh yes, absolutely. I'm

620
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 3: trying to get out of here today so I can

621
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 3: get home and look at the game tonight. Because we

622
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 3: follow March Madness tennis. Wimbletonis on we loft tennis, basketball, football,

623
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: college and professional basketball and football as well.

624
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,320
Speaker 2: It's not hard for you to watch basketball.

625
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no no. My entire family we

626
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,439
Speaker 3: enjoy sports. We will all be together and looking at

627
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: NBA games, and we have our special players we like,

628
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 3: and this, that and the other. We enjoy it. It's

629
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 3: not hard at all. All of this comes as more

630
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: or less gifts from God that you're going to endure.

631
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 3: Endurance is the ability to withstand stress and hardship. And

632
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: like I said earlier, you have your winter seasons, but

633
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: there is still you still have to honor what remains.

634
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 3: And part of the honoring is still enjoying the game.

635
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 3: And we do, we do. But draft night we were.

636
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: Did you cook? No?

637
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: No, we were supposed to go to a and my

638
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 3: husband was in New York with the land and they

639
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: came back home and I was not there. I had

640
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 3: gone to a meeting with my cousin to talk about

641
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 3: a children's program. So I spoke to lend on the phone.

642
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: But I never ever saw him a game until he

643
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 3: was on that table the next day, dead in the hospital.

644
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: But we were so excited. But for me, it was

645
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 3: like there's a gold ring right there, but you you're

646
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: never going to get It was always like that. For me,

647
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: it was always like that you can see it, but

648
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 3: do you have it in your hand yet? M m.

649
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 2: So it's like in yes, spirit kind of knew something

650
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: was a.

651
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: Little yes, yes, that intuitive nature just the process of

652
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 3: things going down and happening.

653
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: So Lynn Bias died June nineteenth nineteen eighty six, two

654
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: days later after being drafted by the Boston Celtics from

655
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 2: a cocaine overdose. Were you with your family when you

656
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: received the call?

657
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: We were home. We were actually home. We received the

658
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: call that morning early that Lend was sick and he

659
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 3: had been taken to the hospital, and we jumped up

660
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 3: and ran to the hospital. We're trying to figure out

661
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 3: what is he doing.

662
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: Like, what's going on?

663
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, And when we got there, you know he had

664
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: he had not been pronounced dead, but lay later pronounced

665
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 3: him dead, and later that day a detective came and

666
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,919
Speaker 3: said that he had died of cocaine intoxication. Yeah.

667
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: And I know that there are a lot of speculations

668
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: and theories. And rather than death for your son, which

669
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 2: other respect for you and your family, I don't care

670
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: to ask, but do you think that your son would

671
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: be a lot today if he was around different associations?

672
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 3: Well, what I have learned about life is association is

673
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: very important. And if you have a plan and you

674
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: have dreams, you have to be cognizant who's in your

675
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 3: realm of influence. And everybody that laughs and grins in

676
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 3: your face is not your friend. It has never been

677
00:46:54,719 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: proven to me that that and took his own life.

678
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 3: It's never been proven to me. But the only people

679
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 3: that would know that are the men that were in

680
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 3: the room with him that night. So that's neither here

681
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: nor there. That's just my honest perspective based on knowing

682
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: my son, not if he were perfect. Like I told anyone,

683
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 3: if Lynn had a drug problem, I'd do just like

684
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 3: anybody else would. I would do something in terms of

685
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 3: getting him help, right, That's it, That's what I do.

686
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 3: Because nobody is perfect. You know, we're all becoming, we're

687
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,479
Speaker 3: all lawed. So I'm not trying to act like he

688
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: was a perfect young man. But it has never been

689
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 3: proving proven to me beyond the shadow of a doubt

690
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 3: that he took his own life.

691
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: Did you think that his death would have such a

692
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 2: huge impact like it did? And it's still due to

693
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: this day.

694
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: Never ever, never, never, never ever named never never. When

695
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: we had this funeral, we had it at our home church,

696
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: and I just figured it would be family people coming.

697
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 3: But the line was four blocks up going all the

698
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 3: way on a major thorough fan in another four or

699
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 3: five blocks down. Oh wow, I'm telling you. And we

700
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 3: received letters and car. We received cards from Ronald Reagan

701
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 3: who was president, George Bush, speaker of a House, cards

702
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: and flat. I could not believe it. And what happened

703
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: with me was I knew him as my son. I

704
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: did not know he was a superstar. I did not know.

705
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 3: I did not know until his death.

706
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 2: And I can only imagine how many people stop you

707
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: on a daily basis that tell you because of him,

708
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,320
Speaker 2: they no longer use drugs.

709
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well, I received emails and Texas and every

710
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 3: once in a while call that just say I changed

711
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 3: my life because your son. Your son did not die

712
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 3: in vain because I changed my life. Here it all

713
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: of the time.

714
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 2: So you mentioned earlier how people treated Jay once Lamb

715
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 2: passed away, because Jay was sixteen when Lamp passed away.

716
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: So how was Jay as a son?

717
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 3: We had a beautiful family, not perfect. There are one

718
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: thing that I've learned in life. They are no perfect moms,

719
00:49:54,760 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 3: no perfect dads, no perfect children, no perfect families anywhere.

720
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 3: Made look like they have it all together down the street,

721
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: but when you go down there, they're jacked up too.

722
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: So they're no perfect families. But we were an average

723
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 3: family and we loved each other. My husband was a

724
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: major part in my son's all of my children's personal development.

725
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: He taught them how to play chess, He wrestled with

726
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 3: the boys. He gave them lessons of life, and Jay

727
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 3: and Lynn would play together. We have pictures of them

728
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: with these little football uniforms on that they called suicide

729
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: suicide football because if they got it, they would be hurt.

730
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: It wasn't nothing real about it, just these little football,

731
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: these little football uniforms, and they would be this is

732
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 3: amazing because they would take my old tape recorder and

733
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: play like they were Howard Cosell and one would act

734
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 3: like he was Howard Cosell and the other would act

735
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 3: like he was Mohammad Ali, answering Cassell's questions and just

736
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 3: a real, real fun, very close family. My daughter and I,

737
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 3: we the family still laughs about some of the things

738
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 3: that they did, some of the things that they did

739
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 3: as children. And he was amazing, and he enjoyed basketball

740
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:50,839
Speaker 3: and he and he was player, absolutely, absolutely, he was

741
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 3: an excellent player. But just trying to get back on track. Yeah,

742
00:51:55,880 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 3: my god, it's it's nothing easy about it. And you know,

743
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 3: to be absent from the body is to be present

744
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: with the Lord and I just believe he and Lena together.

745
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 2: When I did my research on Jay and how he

746
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 2: was murdered, it really broke my heart, especially since it

747
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 2: was four years later, yeah, forty two months and right

748
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 2: before Christmas.

749
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, December fourth of nineteen ninety and I can remember

750
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to have a I said, I'm not

751
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 3: putting up any Chrystalis decorations. I'm not going to have

752
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 3: the coffin opened. I'm not going I was just everything

753
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 3: it was me I'm not going to do. And my

754
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 3: daughter reminded me, Mom, that's still Eric and I. We

755
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,800
Speaker 3: have to, you know, because you can get so caught

756
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 3: up in you and what you don't want that I

757
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 3: just said earlier that you forget about what remains, You

758
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,399
Speaker 3: forget about the other people. You're so caught up in

759
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: your pain, you know. And I did go ahead with

760
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 3: the help of some friends and put a Christmas tree

761
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 3: up and put a reef on the door, and we

762
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: did have an open, an open viewing at Jay's funeral.

763
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: But I don't know how many of your listeners, maybe

764
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 3: Christians or not, but at Jay's funeral, seven hundred and

765
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 3: ninety five people gave their life to christ.

766
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Yeah, so.

767
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 3: He was a seed like leand that went down into

768
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: the ground to bring forth life. I believe that.

769
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: Do you mind speaking a little bit about the day.

770
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: For those who don't know about what happened to Jay,

771
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 2: y'all have to go into all details.

772
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 3: But oh well, Jay, his boss and another coworker, they

773
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: worked at a local bank. They had gone to lunch

774
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 3: and was they were looking for Christmas gifts just at

775
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: a local mall. And it's apparently Jay walked into a

776
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 3: store and a man and a lady were having some

777
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 3: type of disagreement. Later to find out their husband and wife.

778
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 3: And the person from my understanding asked, Jay, what are

779
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:47,760
Speaker 3: you looking at? And one word led to another, and

780
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 3: my son's boss said, come on, let's get out of here,

781
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: and they left, and the individual that he was arguing with,

782
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 3: there were two men in a car. Are pulled up

783
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: beside the vehicle as they were heading back to work

784
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 3: and fired ten shots from an automatic weapon, two of

785
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 3: the bullets striking Jay in his back, killing him. But

786
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: the miracle is the other men weren't touched at all.

787
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: What did you have to do to begin your journey

788
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 2: of healing forgiveness? Because that's like a lot and this

789
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 2: is the thing that we do know, So I can

790
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 2: only imagine the things that people don't know that your

791
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 2: family went through behind closed doors.

792
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 3: Well, I can't speak for my whole family. I can

793
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 3: speak for me as the result of my strength. It

794
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: has helped my family alone, you know what I mean.

795
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 3: But I can't say where everyone is though we're all

796
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: continuing on on our journey. But I tell you an

797
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 3: incident that happened, and I can only give all honor

798
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,759
Speaker 3: and glory to God. And that that's why I know

799
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 3: this mission I was called for, Because it's no way

800
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 3: you can get up and just say you're going to

801
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:12,760
Speaker 3: go save the world after you have suffered one atrocity

802
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,359
Speaker 3: behind the other. You know, it's no way in the

803
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: world you can do it. I mean, what happened to

804
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: my life, what happened to my kids? You know? So

805
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 3: I know that this was a mission from God. But

806
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 3: the forgiveness part I just told someone today for Christians

807
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: that are out there, you cannot just forgive people when

808
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 3: you have been hurt. It takes the power of God

809
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 3: through the Holy Spirit to bring healing in that area.

810
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 3: So I'll tell you a quick story a couple of them.

811
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 3: Years ago, I was asked to participate in this event

812
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 3: with a group of women that I was not familiar with.

813
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: One of my colleagues kept saying, I think you need

814
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 3: to do this. I think you need to do this,

815
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 3: and I said, well, I wasn't feeling it, but in

816
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 3: my prayer time I heard no go forth. So I

817
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 3: went ahead and did the program. It was held in

818
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: a public setting, and as I said before, I was

819
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: not familiar with the other people that were a part

820
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 3: of the team. It was a Christian woman's event. And

821
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 3: so at the conclusion of the event, a lady approached

822
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 3: me and told me she enjoyed my presentation. And she

823
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 3: proceeded to tell me that she was the sister of

824
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 3: the man that murdered my son. Oh wow, And I said, wow, Well,

825
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 3: how is your mother doing? And she said, they're all

826
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: over there, and it was a group of family members there.

827
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 3: And I went over and greeted all of that. Only

828
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 3: by the power of God.

829
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can only imagine God.

830
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: Was with you, the power of God. And when I

831
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 3: went back and shared with one of my girlfriends, she said,

832
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 3: what right and what did you do? And I told

833
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 3: her and I was putting on women's events at that time,

834
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 3: and I invited the mother and a couple of the

835
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 3: other people women that were there to come over to

836
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: come to my event. But the mother had other challenges

837
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: and you know, health challenges, and she succumbed to them.

838
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: But it was our two sons that had the beast,

839
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, whatever it was, you know,

840
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 3: God gives you understanding and gives you the strength to

841
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 3: endure so that you know you you're out here and

842
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 3: you're putting your living what you're speaking about?

843
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Well, I know you have to go to goes.

844
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: I have two more questions and then that's it because

845
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 2: she has to go home to her family, y'all.

846
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 3: That's right.

847
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 2: If it's one thing you would like for listeners to

848
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 2: receive from your family's legacy, what would that be.

849
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 3: The one thing that I would like for them to

850
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 3: receive is life is hard, Sure is life is hard,

851
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,959
Speaker 3: but it's worth fighting for.

852
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,920
Speaker 2: And before we leave, one of my friends want to

853
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 2: know your thoughts on this, your son Lynn versus Michael Jordan.

854
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: What do you think about the romans that Lynn could

855
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: have been, if not already was at that time better

856
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:47,240
Speaker 2: than Jordan.

857
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 3: I'm this mother, what do you think?

858
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: Right?

859
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 3: No? But what what Jordan? Michael Jordan's he set the

860
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 3: game at a new level. And that's why you find

861
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,760
Speaker 3: these young guys that are playing ball now so good,

862
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 3: so young, because the bar has been raised, and Michael

863
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 3: Jordan was one of the main ones to raise the bar.

864
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:22,479
Speaker 3: But Lend was the best all around player. He could

865
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 3: play small forward, power forward, if he had to be

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Speaker 3: while in college. And then plus he had a jumper.

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Speaker 3: He could leap, and he could shoot, and he could

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Speaker 3: play defense. So from my perspective, they were both excellent.

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Speaker 3: Michael is still enjoying his life here in the earth,

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Speaker 3: but Lend for me, was the best all around player.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, of course, you don't go with her, stem

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Speaker 2: why would you ask that question. I would definitely be

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Speaker 2: sharing your information with my listeners. Like I said, even

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Speaker 2: though every guest is anonymous, I'm pretty sure people know

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And however I can help you in your podcast

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Speaker 2: or whatever part that you have doing, I will gladly

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Speaker 2: be a part of it. Gladly, ASSISI with it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much and I'm proud of you. Thank

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Speaker 3: you pressing and pushing and doing the good work.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, Thank you and enjoying your time

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Speaker 2: with your family and I will talk to you soon.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Bye bye, have a good night you too,

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Speaker 3: Bye bye.

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Speaker 2: I was super excited for you all to hear this episode,

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