1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,960 Speaker 1: Well we're back a team USA. 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: Winds up with a whole lot of nothing in the tournament. Yeah, 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 2: and uh, you know, we may have an Avenger style 4 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 2: team up of the league's top stars at the Olympics. 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 3: Sounds like Tron. 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: Well now, I except prefer Paul Tron. 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: We'll get into that and conclude our team by team 8 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: prediction series with the Southeastern Division with writer and podcaster 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: Dampa Valley. 10 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: On today's episode, I'm Miles. 11 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: Ray and I'm Jack O'Brien, and this is. 12 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: Uh David. There you go, driving spinning Curry, a three 13 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: steph curry from downtown Again. 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: Guys, damp valume, you're right for bleacher for it. You 15 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 2: are the host of the fantastic Hardwood Knox podcasts. 16 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: Mostly known for having been on this podcast before as 17 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: a wonderful guest. Yes, thank you for returning. 18 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much for blessing us, allowering yourself 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: to come onto our show. 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 1: But yeah, how you been man? 21 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 4: I have been great. Thank you guys so much for 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 4: having me back. It's always nice to be For you 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 4: to make the mistake twice of inviting me back to 24 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 4: this hey, yeah. 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: You know what they say, shame on you. Wait, fool 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: me twice. 27 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: Never mind, take it fooled again. You don't pool me again? Dan, Okay, 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: what's good man? 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 3: You got you got a life sized group looming in 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 3: the background that I'm expecting to attack you at some 31 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: point during the course of this recording. 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 4: It is yet to attack me and any recordings that 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 4: I've done, but that is obviously its sole purpose, and 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 4: that was clearly I must have when I was putting 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 4: together my office was I feel like that's very on 36 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 4: brand for for our podcast. Is just make sure that 37 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 4: there's a life size alien. 38 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, did you have this set up last time 39 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: when when we chatted? 40 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 4: Not right, I made the super smart decision of buying 41 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: a house at the peak of the interest rates in 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 4: the peak of house just super smart financial people. 43 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: Know this is not a financial advice show, obvious. 44 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, to quote Cola Skulla, my finances are none of 45 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 3: my business. 46 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: Yeah. 47 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 3: And then you got Penny Hardaway and you get green 48 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 3: next Jersey back there. 49 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's actually a t MA act magic jersey, 50 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 4: t Mac magic jersey. And then of course I was 51 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 4: one of the only people that ever liked the Knicks 52 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 4: having a Saint Patti's Day, Green and orange jersey with 53 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: Danilo Gallinari New York Knicks. 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: Wow, okay, back. 55 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 2: I had a sign, but wow, you got man. I 56 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: gotta step my game up. I just have loose jerseys 57 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 2: on wire hangers. 58 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 3: But hey, inspiration camera that someone bought it a garage 59 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: sale like ten years ago. 60 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: That my wife was like, we should put this somewhere. Yeah, 61 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: that's that's a nice that's a nice set dressing. Anyway, 62 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: Should we just talk? 63 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 2: Should we touch on Team USA before we get into 64 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: our preview here? 65 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: Why not? 66 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 3: Someone's gonna have to do it. Yeah, so what's our 67 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 3: excuse here? The excuse I keep here in those international 68 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 3: teams are playing together constantly, but like where are they? 69 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 3: Are they playing in like underground basketball tournaments? Is there 70 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 3: like a Mortal Kombat for basketball that's constantly happening and 71 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:35,279 Speaker 3: we're they is just not not admitted to or yeah. 72 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: Dan, where are you? Where are you? Landing? 73 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: On the hot takes about the Team USA coming up 74 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: with nothing at the Feeble World Cup. 75 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: I hear, we don't take it seriously. 76 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: We got to send our best or they need more 77 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 2: time to build some kind of consistency. What's your feeling 78 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: after that disappointing tournament. 79 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 4: Yeah I can't. I don't want to say I can't 80 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 4: bring myself to care. But I'm not a fan of 81 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 4: like the making excuses of it all when it's if 82 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: you want to claim that we have the best basketball 83 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 4: talent in the world, then we should be winning these tournaments. 84 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 5: And the other thing to me is. 85 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 4: I it's hypocritical because I sit here and will critique 86 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 4: NBA players all the time and I'm not doing it. 87 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 4: But if we're gonna have stars come out and like 88 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 4: subtweet this or like have problems with how at fair like, 89 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 4: well then participate when it's not just like the actual Olympics. 90 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 4: I do probably think there's something to the team chemistry 91 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 4: aspect where when we're having these World Cup tournaments, like, yeah, 92 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 4: they're dealing with the same rosters. And I know JJ 93 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 4: Reddick pointed out that like some of these guys in 94 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 4: international play just turn into like Michael Jordan when they're 95 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 4: is go out of body. So I get it, but 96 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 4: it's like it's also kind of super ridiculously embarrassing. I 97 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,479 Speaker 4: feel like, just I don't want to insult the talent 98 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 4: that actually won and shout out to you know, Germany 99 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 4: for winning it at all. But you're supposed to you 100 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 4: You're just supposed to have these guys. Even when we're 101 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 4: throwing out the what you're gonna call us the be roster, 102 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 4: there are still stars on there, and the fact that 103 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 4: they can't really co lace to me is like it's 104 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 4: I don't know, it's fair Like I said, I can't 105 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 4: care a lot about it, but it is fairly I 106 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 4: think surprising. But I do think you have to give 107 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 4: credit to the rest of the world for catching up 108 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: with their talent. 109 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people were like, what is this 110 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: the man in the high castle the US lost to Germany. 111 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 3: I don't think a lot of people were saying that. Yeah, 112 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 3: every people like everybody said that, Yeah, a lot of 113 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: men in the high Castle references. I it's confounding, Like 114 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 3: as much as people want to say these are, this 115 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 3: is like not the best of the US has to offer. 116 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: I think that roster. 117 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 3: Would win the NBA title this year, like or they'd 118 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: be favored to at least it's the the USA basketball 119 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 3: team like that. That roster is absolutely stacked. The Germany 120 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 3: basketball roster would be favored to be like how many 121 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: wins would they win in the NBA this year eighteen. 122 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: I'll give them. I'll give them twenty eight, twenty five. Like, 123 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: I don't more. 124 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 5: Think the Wizards, I think is just the that's the number. 125 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: I think that's about right, Like I think they might 126 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 3: be even lower than that, because otherwise, like more of 127 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 3: these guys would be on NBA basketball teams. So like 128 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 3: I don't, I don't totally understand it, but it does seem. Yeah, 129 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 3: it's it's the having the experience of like everybody. 130 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:31,799 Speaker 1: So we lost to Germany. 131 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 3: We also lost to Canada, who has three solid NBA players, 132 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 3: one great NBA player, two very good NBA players, the 133 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: great being Dylan Brooks obviously, yes, yes, yes, our new King, 134 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: the new Kobe. I think we can all agree on that. 135 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: Who dropped thirty nine points on the US. So I 136 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 3: guess in that case, we have a team like team 137 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 3: Canada is playing ball internationally at like these international FIBA 138 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 3: tournaments throughout the year, and then when NBA players can 139 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: come in, like the same three NBA players are coming 140 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 3: back and they know how to play with those guys, 141 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 3: So like that's that's the difference maker, right right. 142 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: I I'm just I'm just looking also at Team Canada, 143 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: I'm like that Jamal Murray wasn't playing, Like what what 144 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: what is that Olympic team going to look like? Because 145 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 2: there's a lot of people who I think assume that 146 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, man, just get just get this Vultron 147 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: team together, and it's like it's a rap. But I 148 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 2: feel like there's such a there's an arrogance to it 149 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: all that like doesn't humble itself to be like we 150 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: have to play as a team. We can't just be 151 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 2: like we're the best ever so we can just like 152 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: sleep through this thing. 153 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jamal Murray and Wiggins were not playing, right Canada 154 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: and they beat the USA. I yeah, it's interesting. I 155 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: don't I don't know necessarily, Like God, it does seem 156 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 3: to be of a larger piece with like it's hard 157 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 3: a harder thing to write about, a harder thing to quantify, 158 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: and so it gets underrated. 159 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: But we are seeing. 160 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: It now in international play and we're also seeing it 161 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: in the NBA that having the you know, experience of 162 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 3: playing together like seems to help the teams that have 163 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: stuck together for a little while, you know, like Denver, 164 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 3: like Milwaukee, like you know that as opposed to these 165 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 3: teams that are just trying to assemble like the greatest 166 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: net weight of talent per roster that it seems to matter, 167 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 3: like when you have some cohesion, when you have some experience, 168 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 3: that that stuff change changes things. That it works in 169 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 3: the NBA, It certainly works in international competition. 170 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 2: So Dan, what do you think of? But what do 171 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: you think of this dream team that Lebron is saying 172 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 2: he's putting together? What KD, Steph he said he's already 173 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: got uh Draymond to buy in? 174 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: Jason Tatum ad is is there? 175 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 4: Like this is probably sack religious to say, but like, 176 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 4: is the best team gonna be? 177 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 1: All right? 178 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 4: Well, let's roll out like a super ancient Kevin Durant, 179 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 4: Steph Curry and Lebron Like, are we that after they're 180 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 4: going through an entire NBA season where some of those 181 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 4: guys might have played like a hundred games or whatever 182 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 4: it ends up being. So I like, yeah, on paper, 183 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 4: that looks fun, But I think Jack. 184 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 5: Sort of alluded to this. 185 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 4: What if they tried to like build and you could 186 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 4: still use stack talent, but what if you actually tried 187 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 4: to build a roster where the skill sets they don't 188 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 4: overlap and they kind of compliment one another and they 189 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 4: fill in for the gaps that you would have elsewhere. 190 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 4: And I think this version of the USA team, which 191 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 4: just frankly I watched very minimal of because I just 192 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 4: don't get excited about this particular tournament, is just like, Okay, 193 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 4: we can make fun of Jaron Jackson Junior's rebounding, but 194 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 4: here's this guy who's a big who defends a bunch 195 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 4: on the perimeter. So why didn't you so around him 196 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 4: with other smalls who were actually really good at rebounding? 197 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 5: Like why why do we not approach building a roster? 198 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: And you even said it was just like the net 199 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 4: sum of talent, Like why not approach this as an 200 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 4: actual roster building process to see like how we can 201 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 4: get Yeah, it'll still be stars, but how about stars 202 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 4: that compliment one another and fill all the gaps within 203 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 4: an entire game? 204 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: Because Steve Kerr is dumb and bad, and I think 205 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 3: we can all agree it was Steve Cerr's fault. Let's 206 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 3: move along that that does seem He's getting a lot 207 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 3: of escape escapegoatage, yeah, which does not seem fair to me. 208 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: But did some of it fall on Grant Hill? 209 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 4: Then he come out and say like, we're not gonna 210 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 4: hold tryouts for this, like we're just gonna We're just 211 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 4: gonna trust that these guys are going. Like way back when, 212 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 4: I think I saw an excerpt going around that that's 213 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 4: what he had said about it. 214 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 3: We're just gonna have a like a kind of off site, 215 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 3: a team off site and some trust falls and just 216 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:56,719 Speaker 3: like kind of vibe it. 217 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 2: Out the roster. Yeah, yeah, we love it all guards 218 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: just what ended up. Yeah, we love it, but the 219 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: vibes were great. 220 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: But yeah, that. 221 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: Dylan Brooks quote is really something he said, Kobe Bryant 222 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,239 Speaker 2: had to figure out how to create the Black Mamba. 223 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: I guess that's my persona, the villain. 224 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 3: Uh huh uh h yeah, Okay, I think those players 225 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: are equivalent. 226 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: Miles your thoughts. 227 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 5: I have. 228 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: I honestly, I don't know if I can truly express 229 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 2: my heart at the moment. I'm so lost for words. 230 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: The most I can do is maybe Russell Westbrook reaction me. 231 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: And be like, bro, what trip? Because where I'm at 232 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: with that he did put in work, though. 233 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: He put on those boxing story is very interesting, you know, 234 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 3: him being like scapegoated in a way that I don't 235 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 3: think I've ever seen a player, like a major contributing 236 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: player to a team be scapegoaded and then leaves that team, 237 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: goes to another team in the offseason, like puts up 238 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: thirty nine on you. Yeah, against the US does one 239 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: of the just clowning ist just the the silliest thing 240 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 3: I've ever seen where he got kicked out of the 241 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 3: game and then went to the locker room and put 242 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 3: on boxing gloves. 243 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: Do we know where those came from? The boxing glove? 244 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: Is that their training new Maybe he was gonna get kicked. 245 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 3: I don't know. 246 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: He was like travels with those Yeah, right, travel That's so. 247 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: Like that's not a that's not a cool thing to 248 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 3: be like, I'm going to box you with these padded 249 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: boxing gloves. So it really is like prop comedy, like 250 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 3: is his whole thing, just like he's trying to be silly, 251 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: he's doing bits. 252 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 2: I mean, Canadians are famously more hilarious than America. 253 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: Yes, so good at prop comedy. 254 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: This could be like some Nathan Fielder esque like four 255 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:55,319 Speaker 2: d Irony like meta work that we're not quite catching on. 256 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is that like coming out immediately after him 257 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 3: being like yeah, I guess you're right. I am kind 258 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: of like Kobe Bryant is pretty funny. 259 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 2: I do. 260 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: I do respect that. 261 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 2: My character is the villain. Uh yeah, well good, we 262 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: all need a brand stuff. 263 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:12,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. 264 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: Anyways, excited For for whatever reason, the Houston Rockets over 265 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 3: the course of the offseason have entered like the conversation 266 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 3: for me of like, I'm ritten, I really want to 267 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: see what they're going to be, like like there's a 268 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 3: big pickup and wins, like from what what Vegas is 269 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 3: predicting for them. Dylan Brooks is now very intriguing to me. 270 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: You know, I think they're gonna like gonna be one 271 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: of the best coached teams in the league this year. 272 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting. Anyways. 273 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: Shout out to Dylan Brooks. Shout out to Germany, Canada, 274 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 3: whoever came in second. Serbia. 275 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Serbia, you did it. You did it. We got nothing. 276 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 3: Do you guys still think I still think that US 277 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: team would be favored to win the end or the 278 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: NBA Championship this year. 279 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: I mean, if everyone plays at their absolute best ever 280 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: that we've seen them, I could see that. I Mean, 281 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 2: I don't I like that idea, but I guess they're 282 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's hard. It's hard to know. Playing 283 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: like I saw them play together, I'm like, I don't 284 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: know about that. But on paper again, on paper, that 285 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 2: looks pretty good. 286 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 5: I'd be curious if they'd be favored. I think i'm too. 287 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 4: There's like the stain of how they just played his 288 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 4: tattoos in my mind where I'm like, no, there's no 289 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 4: way they'd be favored. 290 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: But right like that collection. 291 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 4: Of talent top to bottom is probably the best top 292 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 4: to bottom talent that a team would have, right right right, all. 293 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: Right, So shall we move into the Southeast Division and 294 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: look at someone what the over unders are here? 295 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: And do some predictions? 296 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 3: I think we should after we take a little break, 297 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 3: you know, I need, you know, Daddy needs his break, 298 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 3: his little enough time, has a little shoe, hunk shoe. 299 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: There you go. 300 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 3: You're exactly ninety seconds. Yeah, yeah, all right, tell me 301 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 3: when to go because I got hunk shoe this. 302 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: Okay, forty go. 303 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 3: Shoot and we're back. 304 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 2: We're back, Oh Southeast, baby, Yeah, first one up the 305 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 2: Atlanta Hawks last year? 306 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you want a forty one division team? Over 307 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: under predictions won the division year that everyone the division 308 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: everyone's been waiting for. 309 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm glad Dan is here to help us 310 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: understand this is just a little bit better because half 311 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 2: of them like, what who is it? 312 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: Okay? Is this good? Is this reasonable? 313 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: But the Hawks last year forty one and forty one 314 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: obviously lost to the Celtics in the first round. 315 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: They're saying this year they're gonna do a game and 316 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: a half better forty two and a half. 317 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 3: Baby, I will say this division has my maybe the 318 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 3: most baffling under the like the furthest drop that I've 319 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: seen Vegas predict for reasons that aren't clear to me, right, 320 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: and that that's called a teaser. Yeah, because I'm not 321 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: telling you which team it is until we get to 322 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: this one. All right, it's the Hawks, now it's not 323 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 3: the Hawks. So yeah, Hawks predicted to go up a 324 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 3: game and a half from forty one forty one last 325 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: year to forty two and a half. They showed me 326 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: something against the Celtics a little bit. Quinn took Quinn 327 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: Snyder took over twenty one games left last season. I 328 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: don't know, I could see this, I could see this 329 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: being an over I don't I don't really have a 330 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: strong feeling either way, other than that when Trey is 331 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 3: playing well, he seems like they seem like they should 332 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 3: be so much better than five hundred, right, But I 333 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 3: don't know it gonna be interesting. What do you think, Dan? 334 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: I could see a scenario where this team ends up 335 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 4: smashing this over just because do we think that Quinn 336 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 4: Snyder could be worth more than two wins? I absolutely 337 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 4: do him getting a training camp to go through with 338 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 4: this entire roster. The offense should be more balanced without 339 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 4: John Collins at least, but they also didn't do anything 340 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,239 Speaker 4: to get a lot better this year. It was just 341 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 4: we're gonna get rid of John Collins and we're gonna 342 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 4: sign Wes Matthews and we have Patty Mills now. The 343 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 4: minutes without Trey Young when you played de Jontay Murray 344 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 4: were disastrous last year, and what have you done to 345 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 4: make those better? So they just still feel like they 346 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 4: have too many fatal flaws. But the top end talent, 347 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 4: like they're starting five last year was really effective for 348 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 4: the most part all season, and plugging Sadik Bay or 349 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: whoever they want to start in that spot of Collins, 350 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 4: I would still think that they're pretty good. But I 351 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 4: just feel like, I don't know, you look at this 352 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 4: team and it feels like they are maybe like a 353 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 4: wing or another combo forward short And are we going 354 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 4: to have any drop off from Clin Capella who's had 355 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 4: some weird fits and starts to the seasons. What are 356 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: you gonna make of the Onyka Conglu situation? Who looks 357 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 4: like is he ready to usurp Clin Capella? And based 358 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 4: off everything they've said, and this is the last wild 359 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 4: card that I'll focus on, is it seems like Jalen 360 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 4: Johnson is gona have a pretty big role this year, 361 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 4: and it's like you're banking a lot just between him 362 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 4: and Griffin and on Yakakung was sort of on this 363 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 4: internal development from last season without making any major additions. 364 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: So could you be better? Sure? 365 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 4: But I think that also leaves open the possibility because 366 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 4: of the lack of change in addition that you're actually worse. 367 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 4: And so it feels like they might have a lower 368 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 4: floor than many people would expect. But if you told 369 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 4: me they won forty seven games forty nine games, that 370 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 4: actually wouldn't shock. 371 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 3: I think people have expected them to win that many 372 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 3: games the last two seasons. Like that kind of heading in. 373 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 3: People were like, all right, they might be really good 374 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 3: this year, and then, you know, after they made that. 375 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: Deep playoff run, and then it. 376 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 3: Never really came together for reasons that weren't clear really, like, 377 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 3: it's not like they lost anyone from the playoff run 378 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 3: to when they've been kind of mediocre for the past 379 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:03,440 Speaker 3: two years. And yeah, so it's interesting they they've gone 380 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 3: with similar similar to the Celtics, where it's like this 381 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,360 Speaker 3: mainstay of the team, we've gotten rid of them, and 382 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 3: we think that should really open things up. And it's like, yeah, 383 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 3: I guess it. I guess it could, but we'll see, 384 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 3: you know. 385 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: Shall we switch it over to Florida? Sure, let's switch 386 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 2: it over to North or South? You want to go 387 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: to North or South Florida? 388 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: Are they? I actually don't know which one. Orlando's Central? Yeah, yeah, 389 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: I go right, Orlando Central. 390 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,919 Speaker 2: Let's go South Floridaay, the one that's higher or lower 391 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:42,679 Speaker 2: than Miami. Let's go to the one that's Miami bouncing 392 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: into the city where the heat is on. 393 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do that one. 394 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to Miami. 395 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 2: They went forty four and thirty eight, lost of the Nuggets 396 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 2: in the finals. We saw that are there particularly go 397 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 2: four and a half games better forty eight and a half. 398 00:19:55,359 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: H Now, I think it's like when you see like 399 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 2: gay Vincent leave. 400 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: Or like Max Struce. 401 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 2: I think, on paper, I'm like, okay, so how do 402 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: they do four and a half games better? But I 403 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 2: know they weren't necessarily big factors in the regular season, 404 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,120 Speaker 2: or Jimmy wasn't either, but as is Dame. The big 405 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 2: thing that we're kind of waiting for, like just to 406 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 2: see what happens there to begin to really make predictions. 407 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 4: What do you think, Dan, if that forty eight and 408 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 4: a half, My guess would be that it's pricing in 409 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 4: that Damian Lillard is gonna end up with the heat, 410 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 4: because I don't see how this team will be deep 411 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 4: enough or healthy enough to win forty nine games if 412 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 4: they don't get Damian. I like, I jud like Kyle 413 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 4: Lowry's how old. Now, Yeah, we know what. Jimmy Butler 414 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 4: is gonna kind of pace himself during the regular season 415 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 4: and you lost, you know, gave Vincent Max streuce were 416 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 4: averaged to slightly above average NBA players, but like they're 417 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 4: just gone. 418 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: You didn't get it. 419 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 4: You didn't get anything for them, Like they're just gone, 420 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 4: So you don't even have those innings leaders. I think, look, 421 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 4: Josh Richardson really good pick up, but there's still some 422 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 4: just holes in the front court and they desperately need 423 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 4: shot creating and functional shooting around Bam and Jimmy, and 424 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 4: they just not only did they not edit, they actively 425 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 4: lost it. 426 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 2: So far, Right, what do you what kind of season 427 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: do you think to duncan Robinson's gonna have? 428 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 4: I mean, he really had a renaissance during the playoff, right, 429 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 4: so could I see him replacing a lot of what 430 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 4: Max Shrews did. Probably Robinson's the worst defender, but like, 431 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 4: is he Like is that Robinson renaissance worth five wins 432 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 4: compared to last year? 433 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 2: Like? 434 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 4: Absolutely not? So right now, I would think they're more like. 435 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: Like, first all, I'm surprised. 436 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 5: There's even a number for this at the moment. I'd 437 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 5: probably have like forty two or forty three for them. 438 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, just without Dame, Like if you again, if you 439 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 4: get Dame, let's have the conversation, Like, without Dame, could 440 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 4: do either of you two see them winning close to 441 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 4: fifty games? 442 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: Is currently concocted? 443 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 2: No, I Mean that's why I was like saying as 444 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 2: it is without Dame. I'm like, how are you doing 445 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 2: four and a half better? I'm like, at best you 446 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 2: kind of net out where you were. 447 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, but when you said the phrase Josh Richardson was 448 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 3: a really good pick up for them that made me 449 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 3: have a physical reaction. I feel like I've heard that 450 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 3: every every place that he's been for the past six years. 451 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:11,679 Speaker 4: He's on a minimum now at least, though, so it's 452 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 4: kind of hard to with on expectations. 453 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, yeah, this feels high to me if the 454 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 3: Dame thing isn't happening. It really feels like a lot 455 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: of the people who know things around the league are 456 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 3: just like, yeah, but Damn's gonna be there. 457 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: Come on, like like this is a done deal. It's 458 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: just it's just we just. 459 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 3: Need to wait for Portland to do the thing that 460 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 3: they've chosen not to do up to this point. It's like, 461 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:41,160 Speaker 3: I don't I don't understand why it would happen if 462 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 3: it hasn't already. But people seem confident. They almost had 463 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: him on Miami in two k I feel like, so, oh. 464 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, there was that screen cap that Jabari was saying 465 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 2: was out there dameless already on the heap okay, but 466 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 2: so do they know. 467 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: Something at two K sports already? Yeah, Apacea Vegas is 468 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: usually pretty smart about this stuff. 469 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 4: So right, Look, Nikolaiovitch had a good World Cup, so 470 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 4: just like he's clearly going to be the difference in 471 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 4: the state. That's what people I got a kick out 472 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,719 Speaker 4: of them for me, like, oh, look at how good 473 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 4: of a piece Nikolaiovich would be for Portland. 474 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 5: Look at what he's doing in And so we've. 475 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 4: Reached that point of the the negotiations where it's like 476 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 4: every little thing has to have this big impact on 477 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: how have. 478 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: Any more picks? Like are they pretty light on picks 479 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:29,880 Speaker 1: for the. 480 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 4: Next there's if they do, they have to renegotiate something 481 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,639 Speaker 4: with the Thunder, but they can give up three first 482 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 4: round picks plus swaps, Like the offer isn't nothing. I 483 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 4: just don't know if Portland's trying to like I don't 484 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 4: know if YouTube. I'm assuming YouTube given some thought. This's like, 485 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 4: what is the team that's going to come and give 486 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 4: you more than let's just say the equivalent. I know 487 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 4: they don't want Tyler Hero, but Tyler Hero and three 488 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: first round picks and maybe a couple of swaps. The 489 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 4: heat trying to lowball this where it's like we'll give 490 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 4: you Tyler hero End a pick, because then that's obviously 491 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 4: a different discussion. But their offer, their best theoretical offer 492 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 4: to me, is at least a real offer. And I 493 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 4: don't know who necessarily would be right, but. 494 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: Do we know how close or far we are still 495 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: with this whole deal? Like I think the last thing 496 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 2: I saw was like Sham's tweet and it's like, I mean, 497 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: he'll go to another team, but the second he's there, 498 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 2: Dame will want to be going to Miami. 499 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: That sounds like a good deal for that team. 500 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, WHOA, Okay, that's pretty aggressive pr right there, 501 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: but doesn't like or is or is it an inevitability? 502 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: And is Portland going to be petty and be like 503 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: we're gonna hold you before so you can't go to 504 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 2: camp and then he. 505 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: Doesn't help them? 506 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 1: Right? I mean maybe it does, but it seems like 507 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: that hurts up. 508 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 4: Do you guys buy that Dame wouldn't show up to 509 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 4: I think the report was he'd only show up to 510 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 4: camp in Portland or Miami and nowhere else, Like do 511 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 4: you buy that he's that type of like could he 512 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 4: do the Harden. 513 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 5: I just can't buy it. 514 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 2: If you'll like, he's not built like that, but yeah, yeah, 515 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: I feel like he would show up, but it's a 516 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: lot to risk for an NBA team, right because I 517 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 2: think I think the follow up was, I mean, he'll 518 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: go to another camp, but just no. 519 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: He's not gonna like it. 520 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 2: He'll be there, but his his whole mind will be 521 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 2: on getting to Miami the second he's there. So I 522 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 2: think that is a way of saying, like, look, he's 523 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 2: gonna do what he's obligated to do, but you don't 524 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: want him unless you know it's Miami. 525 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: But hey, we shall see. 526 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 3: Miami is also not the shocking under from this division. 527 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: People. 528 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 3: People are just on the edge of their See, I 529 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: can't about the nive that Miami and Atlanta were not 530 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 3: the surprising under for me. 531 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: Okay, what about this next one? What about this next one? 532 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 3: Is next the Orlando Magic. They are being predicted to 533 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: go up two and a half games from thirty four 534 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 3: and forty eight to thirty six and a half wins. 535 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 3: It's a little more light to me if we're if 536 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 3: we think Paolo is really gonna be that dude. This 537 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 3: is usually from rookie to second year is usually a 538 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 3: pretty big step up, and they have a lot of 539 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 3: fun young pieces around him. They signed Joe Ingles, they 540 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 3: drafted a couple of sixth and eleven pick like, those 541 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 3: are not insignificant talents to add. 542 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: I don't. 543 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: I don't know, but sure two and a half sounds 544 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 3: about right like that that feels that feels reasonable to 545 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 3: me that they would go up two and a half wins. 546 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: What's everybody feeling? 547 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: I don't know. 548 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: I feel like thirty five years anniversary maybe that I 549 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 2: always like an anniversary for a team, you know that anniversary? 550 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow. So I'm like, I think of like 551 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: how old I am, Like. 552 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: Wow, I was, I were but a boy when they 553 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 2: entered the league. But yeah, like I mean, Paolo and 554 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 2: like Franz, they're all they seem like they keep evolving 555 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 2: in the proper direction. So I don't know, I mean, like, 556 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 2: pardon me. I get excited when I hear Magic fans 557 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 2: talk about the Magic and when I hear their enthusiasm, 558 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 2: like they could do more than two and a half games. 559 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 2: But I don't know, Dan, am I fully off on this? 560 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: No? This one to me right now? Anyway? 561 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 4: Feels like I don't know, if you guys remember last 562 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 4: year the Kings over under you looked at it and 563 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 4: you were like, that's way too low. They were at 564 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 4: like thirty five or something, and this kind of feels 565 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 4: like that. Where they played their defense was elite for 566 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 4: most of last year. I don't know if they have 567 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 4: enough like offensive juice in them yet, but as you 568 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 4: already mentioned Polo and Franz, they showed great growth throughout 569 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 4: the course of the season. I think Jalen Suggs actually 570 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 4: made some steps forward on that end as well. And 571 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 4: if you can just get enough extra shooting from Jet 572 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 4: Howard who they drafted, or Joe Angles, if he can 573 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 4: play like a real role, if Gary Harris is as good, 574 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 4: I worry about Anthony blacks fit a little bit just 575 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 4: because he can't shoot either. So there's a lot of 576 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 4: shooting question marks here, but on the defense, and then 577 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 4: just like sort of the talent alone when you look 578 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,959 Speaker 4: at their top you know, five to six guys. I 579 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 4: know the East is pretty wide open, but this feels 580 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 4: like a team that should probably be flirting with like 581 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 4: in the thirty nine win range East, And so I'm 582 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 4: a little bit maybe I've listened to Magic fans too 583 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 4: much myself. Hype up this team because where was it? 584 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 4: Thirty six and a half? Thirty seven and a half 585 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:28,359 Speaker 4: just feels low. Yeah, they love Franz, don't they down 586 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 4: there aggressively? 587 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, character and your boy Markel too, Jack. 588 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, Markel is like the they they we we're all 589 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 3: rooting for Markel Man, We're all rooting for yeah. 590 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. 591 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, I could see that they're going to be 592 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 3: interesting to watch. Yeah, all right, they are not mine 593 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 3: surprising under. Up next, we have the Washington Wizards, who 594 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: last year won thirty five games five and forty seven, 595 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: didn't qualify for the postseason. This year, they are expected 596 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 3: to win twenty five and a half games. They're expected 597 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 3: to drop ten and a half and a half or 598 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: nine and a half, nine and a half. Man, it 599 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 3: was ten and a half before and then and then 600 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 3: it just went up one. 601 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: Did it just change? 602 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: This is my This is my shocking under. I don't 603 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 3: know why what has changed, other than everyone being like. 604 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 605 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: These guys stake. It just feels like their fans just 606 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 3: kind of quit on them. They got Jordan Pool, they 607 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 3: lost Porzingis I guess Porzenis was pretty good last year, 608 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 3: Pool was not great last year, So maybe people are 609 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 3: just like his this is bad, bad, bad vibes here, 610 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 3: but ten wins. I'm not saying I would take the 611 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 3: over here necessarily, but it's a it's a big shift. 612 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: But who hurts people who who they brought in, like, 613 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 3: you know, an interesting piece and lost a piece that 614 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 3: like is not It's not like one of the top 615 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 3: twenty players in the league. It's not a ten win 616 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 3: swing on the surface. But what am I missing here? 617 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 2: Dan? 618 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 4: I mean, I think the two things are just like 619 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 4: you lose what were your two best players last year, 620 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 4: and then the other thing is and I would fall 621 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 4: into this camp. This feels like it's pricing in that 622 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 4: their new president of basketball Ops, Michael Winger, is not 623 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 4: going to let them hit the over on this. And 624 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 4: it's like Kyle Kuzma's deal feels like it was signed 625 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 4: just to be traded. Tias Jones, will he finish the season? 626 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: There? 627 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 4: Are you going to see them start to maybe if 628 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 4: they keep these guys shut them down in March or something. 629 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 4: And I think you also get into like, well, what 630 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 4: team in the East could they feasibly be better then, 631 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 4: and I think you kind of start to run out 632 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 4: of runway after Detroit and maybe Charlotte, who we've yet 633 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 4: to talk about in this vision. And I think that's 634 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 4: a big part of it, is that they're clearly starting over. 635 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 4: Twenty five is aggressive, and I think there were only 636 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 4: what were there two teams that only won fewer than twenty. 637 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: Five last year or whatever it was. 638 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, but like this feels like a team that's gonna 639 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 4: do their darnedest to win fewer than twenty five games. 640 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess that's true if they're tanking for whoever flag? 641 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, for flag, Like yo, man, just just get rid 642 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 2: of them, trade pool, give me the flag. 643 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 3: Get get rid of them all, lose them all, all right? Yeah, 644 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 3: I can see that. It's Bill was Beal did play 645 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: a lot last season and they Yeah, all right, all right, 646 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 3: I'm I'm on board. Forget what I said about this 647 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 3: being a surprise and under. 648 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna stink harder. 649 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 3: I think I'm under on the watch Charlotte Hornets. Yeah, 650 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 3: have you seen these guys? You heard about these guys. 651 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 3: I heard they're expecting to pick up four and a 652 00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 3: half wins basically from the return of Lonzo. I mean 653 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 3: LaMelo the return of Lamello. But this is a thing 654 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 3: we were talking about, how we want them together. 655 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: We're like they're always hurt. Yeah, I don't even know 656 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: if he's coming back, Like, oh right, LaMelo is. 657 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 3: Melo is a different human being. He's very good. He's 658 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 3: a lot of fun. Actually, we'll say drafted Brandon Miller 659 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 3: passed on a chance to draft Scoot Henderson. This is 660 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: I think they will be haunted by that throughout this season. 661 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 3: But yeah, four and a half, Like going up to 662 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 3: thirty one and a half wins doesn't seem crazy to me. 663 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: I could see it. 664 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, especially because you mentioned LaMelo missed a ton of 665 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 4: time last year, where he's played like thirty games or something. Yeah, 666 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 4: so if you get relatively good health from him, and 667 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 4: you get even like Cody Martin missed a bunch of 668 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 4: time last year, Mark Williams should be better. Brandon Miller 669 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 4: I think was the wrong pick, but like there's also 670 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 4: a chance that Brandon Miller is good. 671 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, just not right. 672 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 4: And I think their defense improved a lot last year 673 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 4: under Steve Clifford. So like that feels just like better 674 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 4: health from LaMelo and you know, having maybe better health 675 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 4: like surrounding him, like that should be worth In the East, 676 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 4: I would think like four or five wins, especially when 677 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 4: you're working off such a little baseline. It's not like 678 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 4: we're saying they're going from thirty seven to thirty one. 679 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: Yere right right, yeah, yeah, I mean, I like, I 680 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 2: love the confidence of like yeah, wait till wait till 681 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: b Miller got that Rookie of the Year. 682 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: Though, are they feeling? Are they are? People? 683 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: I mean I have I have, I know some some 684 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: well I know one Rabbit Charlotte fan in my circle 685 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 2: and they're like, trust me, we did we made the 686 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 2: right decision. 687 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:47,959 Speaker 3: People are always wrong, Like in the immediate aftermath, like 688 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: everyone was like Mathurin like what were they thinking. It's 689 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 3: just the people who the obvious mistakes in the draft 690 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 3: are don't always turn out to be the case. So 691 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 3: we'll see, Yeah, Keegan Murray was supposed to be like, well, 692 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 3: they're going to be looking back on that one and 693 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 3: oh wait, Keegan Murray is really good. Never mind, all right, 694 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,879 Speaker 3: So there you have it. We have completed our team 695 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 3: by team run down. Oh, Who's who's going to be 696 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 3: good this year? Yeah, and you have it, the the 697 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 3: official facts of. 698 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 2: You can take the take all of our picks to 699 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:33,839 Speaker 2: the bank. Well not look like you said. This isn't 700 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 2: a financial advice podcast. B don't take it to the 701 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 2: bank literally, but you know, use it to. 702 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: Take it to Las Vegas, and then you take your 703 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 1: winnings to the bank. Thank you, thank you, exactly. 704 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 3: I still have Phoenix and Okay, see if either of 705 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 3: them wins. 706 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: The title this year. You really went big on that one. 707 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,479 Speaker 3: I went big on Okay. See if Okay See wins 708 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 3: the championship this year? Am I in the money? 709 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 5: What were their odds that you don't like? 710 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: Twenty seven? 711 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 5: I get it, I get it. 712 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I know it was. 713 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 3: I had just seen a chet in another Summer League 714 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,839 Speaker 3: game for the first time in a year. 715 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 2: I was like, man, he's tall and very smooth, but 716 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 2: this is going the right way. 717 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see he's going on the right way. I 718 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 3: don't think it's going that way that fast. But yeah, 719 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 3: it's a it'll be a fun one. It's a team 720 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 3: that I'm excited to watch, and I'll be even more 721 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: excited to watch them because I got. 722 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 2: A little ticket in my wallet broken dream. Can't she 723 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 2: Let's take a break, should. 724 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: We Yeah, let's do it. We'll be right back. We'll 725 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 1: be back by. 726 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 3: And we're back, and we're back, and we're back. 727 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:06,200 Speaker 1: I'm sundowning, all right. Is it time? It's time, It's time, Jali, Yeah, 728 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:06,799 Speaker 1: it's time. 729 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: Now for the fourth quarter rapid fire round of Questions, 730 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 2: Dan Favel, you are not a stranger to this segment. 731 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 2: You answered correctly most of the questions last time, if 732 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 2: I recall, but here it is is the fastest question 733 00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 2: answer segment in podcasting history. We're gonna ask you a question. 734 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 2: Don't think too hard, just react respond, give us an 735 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: answer right back. Don't let Jack or I drag this 736 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 2: segment on. This up to you to say, hey, get 737 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,439 Speaker 2: it together, keep this thing moving. Is the fourth quarter 738 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 2: round of rapid fire questions. So are you ready to 739 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 2: have fa Valley to enter? 740 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 5: I'm probably not ready, but let's do it. 741 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I love the confidence. 742 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 3: Are ready Ryan start the law? 743 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: Here we go. Do you want to go first or 744 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: go first? I'll go first. 745 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 3: That's great, Thank you so much for offering. You can 746 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,719 Speaker 3: take two players from all the history to create your 747 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 3: Mad Boosey's Edition. NBA jam team. Which two players are 748 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:02,800 Speaker 3: you taking? 749 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 5: I'm taking Glenn Rice and Glenn Rice. 750 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 1: Glenn Rice. 751 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 3: I love that Glenn Rice. Yeah, favorite Steph. 752 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 1: Glenn Rice, justies. 753 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,920 Speaker 5: I used to go on fire with Glenn Rice a lot, 754 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,120 Speaker 5: one of my favorite players. 755 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,040 Speaker 1: NBA Jam player. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, and jam 756 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: player I don't actually don't remember. You can probably don't 757 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: from half more than that. Yeah, put the cheeks on, 758 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: you know obviously. 759 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, like Ja Bryce Sa shout out to the two 760 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 2: thousand Lakers with the dual ankle braces. 761 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. 762 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 2: I was always rid of like, Glenn are you okay? 763 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 2: But look he's just doing doing what he has to 764 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 2: do to stay out there. Dan, what is your absolute 765 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: boldest predictions, oldest for the upcoming NBA season. I'm talking 766 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 2: about like, put your whole put your integrity on the 767 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 2: line right now with a while. Wow, that reckless take 768 00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 2: go good. 769 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 1: Pelicans are gonna make the Western Conference line. Wow, you're consistent. 770 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: That was your pick last year? Bro? Was it? 771 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 3: Yeah? 772 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: You were going hard for the Pelas. 773 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 2: I remember, and afterwards you kind of I was like, well, 774 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 2: damn kind of convinced me with his pells confidence. 775 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 3: But I put a lot of money up on that 776 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,080 Speaker 3: man lost a lot of money. 777 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: Hey send me that group behind you. 778 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 5: Didn't we premise it that this wasn't financial advice? 779 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that you should have known. You should 780 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: have known. 781 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,800 Speaker 3: No, I don't leave anything that Miles says. 782 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 2: But like, yeah, I mean so again this year, what 783 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 2: we're seeing, we're seeing Zion healthy, We're seeing Bingie healthy. 784 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 5: Right, I mean Trey Murphy's already injured. 785 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 2: That doesn't I know? Well that's big? So can I ask? 786 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 2: This is Trey Murphy the third a little bit redundant. 787 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: Like as a player on this team or no. 788 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 2: Name, his name being Tray is trade like people get 789 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 2: Trey as like as a nickname if you are the third? 790 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,480 Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, there's also I don't know if you guys 791 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 4: been in Collis like New Orleans. Fans don't like when 792 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,080 Speaker 4: you call him Trey Murphy the third. 793 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 2: I know I've never because I never see it. It's 794 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 2: always Trey Murphy. But then when you look at other 795 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 2: reports like Trey Murphy. Ai, is that what they would 796 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 2: have us call him? 797 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: Trey Murphy? AYII? Yeah? Is that what it is? Yeah? 798 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: Fans say, yai yai Yai yai. I don't know anyway, 799 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: Mama call him the third. I'm gonna call him the third. 800 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: Thank you, Jabari. But yeah, I mean like, so this 801 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,080 Speaker 1: is this is it this, it's this year. It wasn't 802 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: last year. It's this year. 803 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,400 Speaker 4: It could have I mean if Zion was healthy. I 804 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 4: mean that's that's a big if. At this point, I'm saying, 805 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 4: what if Ben Simmons had a jumper, what if Zion 806 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 4: was healthy? But like they were near the top, they 807 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 4: were second in the West, like leading into the new year. 808 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's legit. 809 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:47,839 Speaker 5: I still think. 810 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,520 Speaker 4: That's like the only team that I'm prepared to say, Oh, 811 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 4: they're definitely better than New Orleans. 812 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,279 Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. I like that. I like that. 813 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 4: Props though, remembering what I saidlast year, because I clearly 814 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,239 Speaker 4: didn't remember what I said last year. 815 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 2: No, it's god, that was Jabari because we were talking 816 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 2: because we're trying to remember the last time you're on 817 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 2: and they were like, oh right, Dan was going hard 818 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 2: for the Pels. And that's when I remember too, because 819 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 2: I think that was that was the beginning of me 820 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 2: getting on that boom bus cycle again. 821 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: We're like, this is this year, this year, Yep. 822 00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,720 Speaker 3: The beginning of me writing your name on a list 823 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 3: of people who have wronged me. 824 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, then he prank calls you it puts lipstick on 825 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,799 Speaker 2: after you resolved. 826 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,680 Speaker 3: Your is the who's the best player you've ever witnessed 827 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,240 Speaker 3: in person? 828 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: And what did you see them do? 829 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,880 Speaker 4: Uh? It was Kevin rant was in person. And it 830 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 4: was when he was on the thunder. 831 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 2: Uh. 832 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 4: He was playing the Knicks and they went into overtime 833 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 4: and he hit some Truly, I was sitting behind the basket. 834 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 4: He hit some of the most ridiculous jumpers I've ever 835 00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 4: seen in my entire life. Like the nixt weren't good then, 836 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,480 Speaker 4: so it's not like they were defending him with peak level, 837 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,680 Speaker 4: but his ability and control just when he's spinning and 838 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,919 Speaker 4: turning with the ball and the rain that he had 839 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 4: on it. And I was like, not an old man 840 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 4: like I am now at the time, I'm marveled at 841 00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 4: what he was doing in in person. I think as 842 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:10,320 Speaker 4: you get older and go to more games, do you 843 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,520 Speaker 4: become numb to some of the stuff Like that was 844 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 4: just like it was a revelatory moment watching him go 845 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 4: to work. 846 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 2: But Okay, I got to ask you this one and please, Dan, 847 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,080 Speaker 2: we got to keep this moving. Like I appreciate that 848 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 2: answer is very thorough, but sometimes we're about speed and 849 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:26,760 Speaker 2: not quality. 850 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, we're about quantity. 851 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 3: So that's too poetic, too good an answer. 852 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, when he said revelatory, I was like, this guy's 853 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 2: a poet and don't he know it? 854 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 5: But that's not the best play I ever saw was 855 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 5: the Neil Gallinari. 856 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 3: And because he was wearing his blue or his green, 857 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 3: Saint Patty's Dan Jersey, Dampa Valley. 858 00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 2: If you could have any player's skill set for a day, 859 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 2: Who's whose is it and what skill set is it? 860 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 2: And we do add the caveat that it's in your body, 861 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 2: whatever condition to your body is. So if you think 862 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,719 Speaker 2: you're gonna get you know, just Matt boost these and 863 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 2: be taking change off the top of the backboard. 864 00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: Can your body handle coming around in earth? Yeah? So 865 00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: they take that into mind, or if you're willing to 866 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,360 Speaker 1: risk it all, take it into mind. As the saying 867 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: take it into mind. 868 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 6: I want Steph Curry's handles. Then Steph Curry's handles. We've 869 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 6: heard Shooter's handles. Wow, okay, you said no elaboration. I 870 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,280 Speaker 6: want Steph Curry's handles. 871 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: Okay, well this time I do want you to elaborate why, because. 872 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 4: The way my body is built like it would do 873 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,919 Speaker 4: more for me if I could actually be elusive and 874 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,760 Speaker 4: rather than just chucking up threes where I would probably 875 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 4: easily get blocked. Even if I had Steph Curry's touch 876 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 4: and range, my shot would easily get blocked. 877 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 2: Right, And Dan, like I said, we have to keep 878 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 2: this second, you know, and I appreciate that answer, But 879 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,080 Speaker 2: that was a setup. 880 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 3: All right, Dan, you can place any former New York 881 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 3: great on next year's roster. Which former grade are you 882 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 3: adding to the mix? 883 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: Oh? 884 00:42:55,160 --> 00:43:02,120 Speaker 5: Man, I uh just throw Prime Patrick Ewing? 885 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: Prime Ewing? Thanks years, Nick, Yeah, yeah, I would love that, man. 886 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: And what is it about Prime Patrick Ewing? 887 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 5: We got to keep this moving, so I don't care. 888 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,919 Speaker 2: I like that, Which brings us to our next question 889 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,200 Speaker 2: and the most important question of all, Dan fora Valley, 890 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 2: Jack or Miles. 891 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: Both right, Okay, we'll take that. We'll take that. We'll 892 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,680 Speaker 1: take that, we'll split them. That's okay, we'll do that. 893 00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: We'll do that. Oh well, Dan for Valley, thank you 894 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: so much for joining us on. 895 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 2: Miles and Jack got Matt boost teas man, where can 896 00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 2: people find. 897 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: You and follow you and read you and all that 898 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,200 Speaker 1: and support you? How do they do that? 899 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 4: They can follow me on any social media app at 900 00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 4: dan FA Valley fav A l E. And they should 901 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 4: consider checking out the Hardwood Knox podcast spelled like it sounds. 902 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 4: It's an NBA pod and if you like sub mediocre 903 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,360 Speaker 4: basketball takes and bad jokes, it's the podcast for you. 904 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 3: All right, amazing. You can find us on Twitter. I'm 905 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 3: at Jack Underscore. O'Brien Miles is currently indisposed. He's at 906 00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,399 Speaker 3: Miles of Gray and you can hit us hashtag mad 907 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 3: Boosties for show links and updates. Also shout out to 908 00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 3: our listeners of the week at dan be tweeting and 909 00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,320 Speaker 3: at side show James. 910 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: Shout out to y'all. Thanks thanks for listening. Give us 911 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: a rating review. 912 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,480 Speaker 3: If the rating is five stars, of course, if it's 913 00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 3: less than that, keep listening and then listen to your heart. 914 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,280 Speaker 3: That is going to do it for this week's episode. 915 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 3: We are back next week with more NBA action and 916 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 3: we love it. It's fantastic. 917 00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: Yeah,