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Speaker 2: being there with Lisa Raymond, and we used to walk

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Speaker 2: every day. We'd go to this American diner. We'd find

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Speaker 2: this diner. I can't remember the name of it, but

438
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Speaker 2: it was a diner and we were like, it was like, oh,

439
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Speaker 2: it was like the Mecca. We're like, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: We found like we'd have like tuna melts and like rubens.

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Speaker 1: You just weren't drinking bushed by the gallon. Oh.

442
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Speaker 2: We were going and finding the most disgusting American food

443
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Speaker 2: we could find, and we loved every second of it.

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Speaker 2: And it was like, you know, I mean, I've I

445
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Speaker 2: should write a book, but anyway.

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Speaker 1: Read a book, you need a ghost writer. I volunteer.

447
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Speaker 2: I've already told you that you can write my book. Okay, great, anyway,

448
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:08,800
Speaker 2: So what do you think about that?

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Speaker 1: So situation more context. The Gazprom, which was obviously is

450
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Speaker 1: a state run Putin affiliated financier actually of a lot

451
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Speaker 1: of the bombings that are going on in Ukraine, has

452
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Speaker 1: put on an exhibition, invited a number of top players

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Speaker 1: around the world, and many of the Russians are playing it,

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Speaker 1: including Medvedev, Karen Katchanov, Andrey Rublev. I believe is not

455
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Speaker 1: playing is not playing it, Podopova, I'm gonna get some

456
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Speaker 1: of the women's names wrong, but yeah, there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a there's some non Russians too. I think some of

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Speaker 1: the Surbian at all. The women didn't surprise me at all. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Sure, they've all been very open about their love of

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Speaker 2: their country into this trying time. But I'm a little

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Speaker 2: surprised that Medvedev, who apparently was invited, had.

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Speaker 1: Last year and said no.

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Speaker 2: I said no. I'm a little surprised with Karen Hutchanoff,

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Speaker 2: to be honest as well.

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Speaker 1: Karen Kushenov is as far as I know, and my

466
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Speaker 1: Russian knowledge is not the most in depth.

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Speaker 2: But not Chinese.

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Speaker 1: But I believe Karen Kashanov is from a minority group.

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Speaker 1: That is, I'm not sure what their relationship with the

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Speaker 1: majority government. You remember had the Saffins and Stephena were Tatars.

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Speaker 1: I think Kashanov is from an ethnic minority group.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do believe.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where that ethnic minority group sits with

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Speaker 1: regards to.

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Speaker 2: I think the Kremlin a little opposite to the Kremlin,

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Speaker 2: I believe, so I'm a little surprised anyway, it was

477
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Speaker 2: just a little bit shocking.

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Speaker 1: I don't see this as being terribly different from any

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Speaker 1: other exo with prize money. I mean I realized that

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Speaker 1: this is.

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Speaker 2: Like saying six kings, for example, or Saudi.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see uh this. These are private contractors,

483
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Speaker 1: which was John Wortheim's point, and they're going where the

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Speaker 1: bag is. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: John John was not happy about it either. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: I just.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't I mean, I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to give anybody an out. I don't know Medvedev's I'm

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Speaker 1: not politics. But I think because he lives in France

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Speaker 1: most of the time, he speaks a fluent French and

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Speaker 1: he's i think officially a citizen of Monaca. Yes, I

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Speaker 1: don't think he spends a ton of time.

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Speaker 2: It's a bit a bit it was, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: that's that's my comments on it.

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Speaker 1: You really like you really came in. He came in hot,

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Speaker 1: and I just went out like a lamb. I like,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about gaz Prom, I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about the Grimlin, I want to talk about actually

499
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Speaker 1: to you, like, I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know geopolitically, you just have a better understanding of sort

501
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Speaker 2: of like those conversations. That's why I ask you. You

502
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Speaker 2: asked me tennis, I asked you politics. Yeah, politics, and

503
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Speaker 2: the last thing you want to talk about in your

504
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Speaker 2: life is politics, which cracks me up.

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Speaker 1: Political journalists. Three presidential campaigns under my belt and not

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Speaker 1: one more for the rest of my life. I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that much, assuming it was still of a presidency.

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Speaker 2: In a couple of years, Chris Eubanks announced his refinement.

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Speaker 1: What a gym.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely guy. Fantastic year that he had. Was it

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Speaker 2: last year?

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Speaker 1: Three years ago? Three?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Two seasons ago.

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Speaker 1: He one hand backhand South Atlanta native South Fulton Tennis

515
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Speaker 1: Center represent one hander Georgia tech yellow jacket, all around

516
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Speaker 1: stand up guy, phenomenal commentator and a grass court specialist,

517
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Speaker 1: which I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I last I would call him a fast court specialist.

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Speaker 1: I would love to ask him if he anticipated his

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Speaker 1: best successes and titles coming on grass. Grass.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I can answer that question.

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Speaker 1: As a kid growing up in with the merchant sprinkled.

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Speaker 2: Listen, I would say my favorite and best surface was

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Speaker 2: grass or a fast indoor court. And I didn't grow

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Speaker 2: up on grass. I mean, even though I was like yeah,

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Speaker 2: Australie and of course you played on grass. I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we played on grass like once a year. Maybe we

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Speaker 2: were playing on synthetic grass and hard court and shitty

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Speaker 2: do it?

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Speaker 1: I would weader, and we should ask him, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he would do the pod. He's a lovely person, yea,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, Chris, come up. He's now doing as he

533
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Speaker 1: very very much deserves to be doing, a little bit

534
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Speaker 1: of a victory lap. I hope he stays involved in.

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Speaker 2: Tennis and on our cover excellent at it, but he'll

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Speaker 2: be commentating down him.

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Speaker 1: I I have a suspicion he probably didn't play on

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Speaker 1: grass until at the very earliest, maybe in an international

539
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Speaker 1: junior tournament here there, like maybe he got invited to

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Speaker 1: US Junior Wimbledon or US or but I kind of

541
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Speaker 1: doubt it. I think he probably didn't play on grass

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Speaker 1: until he got to post pros. Anyway, I'm not trying

543
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Speaker 1: to make this his career all about grass, but he is.

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Speaker 1: He was exciting to watch, he was fun to watch,

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Speaker 1: and more than anything else, he just seems like a

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Speaker 1: universally beloved, thoughtful, kind looking.

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Speaker 2: Great guy, great guy of ten, great commentator, great knowledge,

548
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Speaker 2: great and you know what the thing about Chris is

549
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Speaker 2: and I can tell you this with working with him.

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Speaker 2: He researches and he does the work, and he does

551
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Speaker 2: the he does the he does the little things that

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Speaker 2: some other people don't when it comes to commentary and

553
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: comes to even if you if you get him for

554
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Speaker 2: an interview, he'll make sure that he's If you say, oh, Chris,

555
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: we want to talk about X, you know later today,

556
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Speaker 2: he'll research it and he just doesn't go out there

557
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Speaker 2: and come crush. So Chris, congratulations on an amazing career

558
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure that you're going to be a successful

559
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Speaker 2: in doing whatever you're doing. So so well done, my friend.

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Speaker 2: I just want to backtrack a little bit to Davis

561
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Speaker 2: Cup for a second. I cannot believe that tennis is

562
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Speaker 2: still going on even Tennis Channel the other day put

563
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Speaker 2: on one of their.

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Speaker 1: He's like, wait of weight flag.

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Speaker 2: Just when you thought them was over, we're still here.

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Speaker 2: You also wonder why Cinna pulls out. We'll give the guy.

567
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Speaker 2: He's won two titles back to back for you. He's

568
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Speaker 2: had an unbelievably long year, a stress or a year

569
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Speaker 2: marked by you know, the suspension for three months, which

570
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Speaker 2: I'm sure took a mental toll on him, but you know, look,

571
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Speaker 2: somebody else has to try and win. There's enough bloody

572
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Speaker 2: Italian players to try and win the Davis Cup against.

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Speaker 1: So very deep bench. I do think that much like

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Speaker 1: your topsy turvy let's throw a grenade in the mix

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Speaker 1: kind of commentary, like let's give everyone press access for

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Speaker 1: a year, or let's condense this. You know, have this

577
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Speaker 1: thing every four years, guys, please, oh yeah, just make

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Speaker 1: it meaningful because two years every two years like the

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Speaker 1: World Cup kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, with every two years is kind of like ryde

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Speaker 2: A Cup.

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Speaker 1: You know. Well, I don't care about golf and I can't,

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Speaker 1: but I do think some I think four years feels good.

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Speaker 1: It's like the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: We're like, oh, I don't have it in the Olympic year.

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Speaker 1: Don't have it in the Open you have it off year.

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Speaker 1: So every two years really big? Yeah, you're really big.

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Speaker 1: And I do think and you've been saying this for

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Speaker 1: a long time and I kind of have not really

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Speaker 1: appreciated it because I didn't ever play on my countries.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say you didn't appreciate me.

592
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Speaker 1: And maybe I didn't appreciate you. But here I am.

593
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Speaker 2: Telling you twice today.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm gonna start crying. I do think that you

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Speaker 1: have been right to say that it really misses out

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Speaker 1: from not having a home and away. I think the

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Speaker 1: whole thing of it actually is that you need to

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Speaker 1: give people the opportunity to celebrate their country. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying you need to play the preliminary rounds in

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Speaker 1: a particular, you know place. I think it's probably smart

601
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Speaker 1: to rotate that. But when it gets down to like the.

602
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Speaker 2: Last that especially better idea.

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Speaker 1: I think should have rotation. They should. I I it

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Speaker 1: would be cool to have it like the way that

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Speaker 1: we have basketball, where it's like if it's Australia VERSUS America,

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Speaker 1: then maybe it's best you do it. Every four years

607
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: American and Australia are going to split the finals. So

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Speaker 1: the one match in each place, and if there's a third,

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Speaker 1: whoever has the better score, you do it there. I

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Speaker 1: don't know something that like does get the crowd involved,

611
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Speaker 1: but maybe doesn't give us such a huge advantage. Or

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Speaker 1: at least people can fly to one place and know

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Speaker 1: that they're going to see their people.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe you have a grouped a thing at one

615
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Speaker 2: place and it becomes a destination for tennis fans to

616
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Speaker 2: go and watch their country, and then you have the winner.

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Speaker 2: What people don't understand is that those countries have to

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00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: via for it like they you know, they have to say, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we want it to here, right. Some don't want it

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Speaker 2: because they can't afford it.

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't want it?

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Speaker 2: Some can't afford it. Some you know, a country like

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's say I'm not gonna say Italy

624
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Speaker 2: because they get great support.

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Speaker 1: But let's say Belgium.

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Speaker 2: Belgium, they can't afford to build the stadium or you

627
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Speaker 2: know it at all all the things. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's not that easy. It does cost the federation. It's

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Speaker 2: quite a lot of money to put on fed Cup,

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Speaker 2: a Belligan King Cup and Davis Cup.

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Speaker 1: So there's all the more reason to do it every

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Speaker 1: four years exactly.

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Speaker 2: And then all and the IF should be unbelievably much

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Speaker 2: more supportive of helping with that. That.

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Speaker 1: That's sure what the ATF does.

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Speaker 2: Grassroots. Okay, well, let's get to a little bit of

637
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 2: the grassroots and talk about some fabulous news that we

638
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 2: found out today. Oh and this is one of the

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00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: reasons why we're glad we didn't do the podcast on

640
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: Monday because we would not have known this news. One

641
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: bit of news that we already knew was that mister

642
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: Roger Federer will be going into the Tennis Hall of Fame,

643
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 2: never heard of, and you know, arguably, I would say,

644
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: is going to be the most unbelievably popular champion to

645
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Speaker 2: ever go in there. I think the love he's going

646
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: to receive that weekend is going to be extraordinary, but

647
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Speaker 2: more importantly, more importantly, more importantly a lot for us,

648
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Speaker 2: for me and you, Caitlin, and I can honestly say this,

649
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: this person is the reason, maybe not the entire reason,

650
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Speaker 2: but certainly a huge reason which of what why I

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Speaker 2: am in do commentary and I have this podcast and

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Speaker 2: I have taken it to loving this sport so much,

653
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: done it in the media after finishing and not gonna

654
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: get another job, is because this person supported me more

655
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: than anybody I've ever known in my life in this

656
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 2: industry of media and tennis. Then our great friend and

657
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: one of the nicest, most loving, supportive, amazing people we've

658
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 2: ever met in our lives, and that is Mary Carrillo,

659
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Speaker 2: is going into the Tennis Hall of Fame as a

660
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 2: contributor to the sport of tennis, and we could not

661
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: be fucking happier. And I saw the announcement on Instagram

662
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: today from Katrina Adams, our other great friend, and I

663
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: literally it came after I was just happened to have

664
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Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame came up on my Instagram and

665
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: it was like Roger getting announced by Kim Cleisters and

666
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And then the next slide I see

667
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: Katrina Adams and Mary Carillo and I'm like, oh, oh,

668
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: my god, and I started to cry. It's Mary Carillo

669
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: is without question my just I just I've I just

670
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: want to be Mary Carrilla. Yeah, I mean, I've wanted

671
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: to be Mary since I stopped playing tennis.

672
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: Mary Carillo is for me, the person I've wanted to

673
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: be when I grew up, and to this day, the

674
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: best person that I've outside of me, outside of Renee Steps,

675
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: that I that I've have had the privilege of spending

676
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,479
Speaker 1: time and space in the sport. She's somebody who is

677
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: unapologetically embracing of the sport in always she is fearless

678
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: about speaking truth to power, which truly, truly is among

679
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: the most formidable things about her because if you know

680
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: anything about tennis, and this is probably not untrue in

681
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: other sports as well, or you know politics, which is

682
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: the world that I came from as a journalist before

683
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: before starting racket, and like the amount of self dealing,

684
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: self aggrandizing, backstabbing, machinations, dummies in charge making very very

685
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: uninformed decision. It's just it's rife with a bunch of

686
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: amazing people, and it's rife with a lot.

687
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: Of I think you said it's self serving.

688
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: It's rife with a lot of conflicts of interest and

689
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: very few people. Everyone is disincentivized from talking about it,

690
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: and a lot of people, even journalists that I know

691
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: and some I even admire, have decided to pull their punches.

692
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: And Mary has never been that person. He would rather,

693
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: on principle, and we've seen it from her time and

694
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: time and time again, lose her job, take herself out

695
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: of contention from commentating a match involving a player who

696
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: credibly accused by many of domestic abuse. She would rather

697
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 1: take a knee as opposed to working for or with

698
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: people she considers to be on the wrong side of

699
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: history and morals. And I think all of the wonderful

700
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: things you can say about Mary, her incredible commentary, her hilarious, heartfelt,

701
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: knowledgeable and insightful journalism, that her record speaks for itself.

702
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: But it's the part that I know and that you

703
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: know that people don't necessarily see, which is that she's

704
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: in the back rooms fighting the good fight, always, always,

705
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I couldn't be more excited. I'm contemplating

706
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: just going up there and showing up for her and

707
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: then just been like, well, my time here is done. Bye.

708
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: I did talk to her this morning for and I

709
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: did say that Mary, I just want to see your

710
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: speech because it's going to be in going to be hilarious,

711
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: it will be heartfelt. There were one hundred percent tiers

712
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: from everybody that I soo.

713
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: When you meet people as talented as she is, and

714
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: don't get it twisted. Mary Carilla also has a Grand

715
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Slam to her name, which is one more Grand Slam

716
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: than almost anybody else on the planet, by the way,

717
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: winning a mixed doubles with John Akron at the French

718
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: I believe in seventy eight ers yesterday. Yes, so you know,

719
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: not a shitty tennis player, but when you when you

720
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: think of all the amazing things about you know, people

721
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: who have really expanded our understanding the game made so

722
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: many doorways too.

723
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 2: She made it fun.

724
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was just she's she's truly tremendous. And to me,

725
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 1: she's one of the best commentators who's ever lived and.

726
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: One of the greatest vices on the world feed.

727
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: Yeah more than I enjoy almost everyone on the main broadcast.

728
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: And if Mary she does listen to our podcast from

729
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: time to time, and I hope she listens to this one.

730
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: And I'm going to make her because she's going to

731
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 2: hate every lovely thing we're saying about her. She's going

732
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: to want to throw herself off a building. But Mary,

733
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 2: one thing you don't know about Mary is that Mary

734
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: carries around these books of you know, like when you're

735
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 2: at school and you there's certain those certain books that

736
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 2: you carry around notebook, thank you. I didn't go to school,

737
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: And she has boxes and boxes and boxes. And I

738
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: hope that I actually will make this suggestion to her,

739
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: and it probably won't happen, but one of the things

740
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: that I would like to see go into the Hall

741
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: of Fame is one of those books, oh her archives,

742
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 2: because she you've never like Mary will get a story

743
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: about someone and she'll write it in that in that book.

744
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: And then she'll hear a story about someone else and

745
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: she'll write in that book, and then she'll research something

746
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: about them that she'll write it in that book. And

747
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 2: then the match will get played and she'll write something

748
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: in the book. And Mary is so old school with

749
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: the journalistic and sort of commentators way of doing things

750
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: that the things that are written in those books, she's

751
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: llwid she'll like, she'll have one with her and we'll

752
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: be changed. Oh, listen to listen to this back in

753
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: sevent you know, ninety five, and then she'll loick through

754
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: the thing and she'll have some story that she's written down.

755
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 2: She just she's an archives of her own and it

756
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 2: should be the Mary Carillo Archives would be very interesting.

757
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: The international tennis of him. I will read her book.

758
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: At one point offered to write her book. It st

759
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: doesn't need my help to write. She's a fantastic writer now.

760
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: But I think in conclusion, Mary Krillo is, if there

761
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: are any justice in the world, would be truly in

762
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: charge of the whole thing of it.

763
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: She she's a mensch and we just we love her.

764
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: Well. Congratulations. Mary will be there to celebrate you.

765
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: We will be there with some bells. We'll bring some bells.

766
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: One thing that was a little bit controversially about that

767
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: didn't get in was one Martin del Potro did not

768
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 2: get it, put in in his first ballot, which.

769
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: Is interesting there he's fellow Argentine, Gabriella Sebertini. Yeah, got

770
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: in with the same amount of slams. Yeah as he has.

771
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had Davis cupp and he has maybe at

772
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 2: all's at the Olympics. But more controversial is the fact

773
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Speaker 2: that Svetlana kauz Netsa didn't get in.

774
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: She's like four, Like, what are we doing?

775
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: Hey, are you guys voting on actual criteria? Because there

776
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: are people in the Hall of Fame that won one

777
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: Grand Slam, Michael Chang, Gabriella s Abertini, We've mentioned a

778
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: few of them. Yeah, and it's not a slide on

779
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: them because they were very important in their ears and

780
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:54,439
Speaker 2: very important with what they gave to tennis. But fuck,

781
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: come on, I mean, is it because she's Russian? Maybe

782
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 2: the only thing that I can think of, because Atlanta

783
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 2: kus Netzeva has won two major titles in singles, won

784
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: multiple doubles Grand slams, which should count. There are doubles

785
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: players in the in the Hall of Fame and one

786
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: fed Cup Billy Jean kick Cup many times for Russia,

787
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: was the stalwart of that team for.

788
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: Years and has a really cool back tattoo.

789
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: And fairly certain she's won medals at the Olympics. I

790
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: should look that up.

791
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: Yes she has.

792
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: And you don't vote her into the Hall of Fame.

793
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: What the fuck are we doing? Like, come on now.

794
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 2: The only thing I can think of is that they

795
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 2: wanted Raja on his own. If that's the case, don't

796
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: nominate somebody else.

797
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true, because that is bullshit. Sorry, that's

798
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: no agreed.

799
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 2: It'slana kuz Netzeva deserves to be in the Tennis Hall

800
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 2: of Fame on her.

801
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 1: First ballot, make trap, no disagreement.

802
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: So and I get it. It's going to be all

803
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: about Roger and it should be. And Mary Krillo at

804
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: the hilarity of the fact that we did laugh about

805
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: the fact that Mary is on the ballot with Judge,

806
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: She's just like, what are you gonna do it? But

807
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: you know, it's sort of like perfect because they do.

808
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 2: She deserves it and I'm sure she got it.

809
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: She is the goat of what she does. Yeah, yeah,

810
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: if anybody thinks of any her as anything other than

811
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: the main course, like, I don't know, get your head, jack.

812
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 2: Mary and I do matches. We've worked a lot at

813
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: the last four Olympics together and we have called many

814
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: matches where I'm in one country and she's in another.

815
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: Love that and Mary is the most one of the things.

816
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 2: I just I know we keep going on about Mary,

817
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: but Mary's the most generous play by play person you

818
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: could ever work with. And there are some play by

819
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 2: people that talk a lot, that take a lot of

820
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: the air. There's some that don't really do much research.

821
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: Mary research the living daylights out of everything, and she's

822
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: so good at stepping back and letting the analysts do

823
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: their job. And she's an expert. She played. She's a

824
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: very good player in her own right. So I just

825
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: want to say I'm a little upset with the Hall

826
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: of Fame that they didn't vote in Svetlana. I think

827
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 2: that I don't know who's doing the voting. I don't vote.

828
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: Do you vote votes?

829
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: I got to vote maybe a couple of years ago

830
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: for on behalf of the media. But I think it

831
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: must alternate because I don't know.

832
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if I did say today, I was like,

833
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: no offense, But how do I get a vote of

834
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 2: as some random tennis writer. I'm in tennis media, I

835
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: work on television, I have a podcast. I played, Well,

836
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 2: why am I? Why are someone like me not getting

837
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:22,919
Speaker 2: a vote?

838
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: Well?

839
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: I didn't get that. I do need to ask my friends.

840
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: I think, like a lot of this stuff, it's it's

841
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:38,240
Speaker 1: a opaque and hierarchical system that only benefits the people

842
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: currently in power. And you saw what happened with the

843
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: Academy Awards and the Golden Globes when they were revealed

844
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:49,800
Speaker 1: to be just like, very non diverse, very same Sam.

845
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: I know that there's an International Tennis Writers Association that,

846
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: as far as I know, doesn't.

847
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 2: Do you think it's Cushi's Russian? I think probably I

848
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: didn't want to have that content Niversity with Roger.

849
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: No, I don't think there. I don't think. I don't

850
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: think Russia is as controversial as it probably should be and.

851
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: Put their flags back as tennis players agreed.

852
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: I don't think what are we doing? This form of

853
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: protest is not really that useful, but I do think

854
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: it's more recency bias and it's probably some old fashioned misogyny.

855
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 2: Well it's crazy.

856
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: I should be in there too, like.

857
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: Spetlana Kuznetsova needs to be ahead of one Martin. I

858
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 2: mean she won way more greed titles than he did,

859
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: so anyway, and you know she was the start of

860
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: the Russians really doing really well too.

861
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 1: You know, I mean Therelena Dementi.

862
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,839
Speaker 2: Never won a Grand Slam, true, uh, miss Skina one

863
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 2: one prior to one of French Open, French Open, prior

864
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 2: to Setlanta. But Spetlana, then, Swetlana really was the best

865
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: Russian player, you know, when they've had some great other

866
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 2: than Maria Sharapova. Yeah, sure so, and Marie came Aftertlana,

867
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, sort of about the tame time but a

868
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: little bit. But Svetlana is the one that really was

869
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: always in the mix win slams. So I'm a little

870
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 2: disappointed in that one, but.

871
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: Well let's end on a positive note. You actually in Newport,

872
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: I was what were you doing?

873
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 2: I went up there to work with the Tennis Hall

874
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: of Fame and Gamebridge and Parody and a wonderful group

875
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: of young women of all ages from about Oh boy,

876
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: I guess the youngest was probably like maybe seven or

877
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: eight right through to like eighteen, and kids going to college,

878
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 2: the girls going to college, and it was it was awesome, Okay.

879
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 2: I was on port with the kids, and then afterwards

880
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: I did a like a talk, like a little bit

881
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 2: of a not a ted talk, but like a fireside

882
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 2: chat with them, and they were so great. These kids

883
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: were awesome. I just want to give them all the

884
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: shout out because I said I would, and they they're

885
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: looking forward to hearing about it on the pod.

886
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: They've had curse.

887
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,680
Speaker 2: I tell them that I would curse less on this

888
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 2: podcast today.

889
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 1: Have you cursed less?

890
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think?

891
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually there haven't been. There's been some sprinkling, but

892
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: less like outbursts.

893
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 2: Less outbursts. But Marguerite and all the coaches that I

894
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: worked with up there were fantastic. They did such a

895
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 2: good job with the girls. And I sat around after

896
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: we played tennis and we did a nice little it's

897
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: called their Tennis Fame event that they it's the first

898
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 2: time I think, I believe they've done it, and they're

899
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: just introducing people like me that have sort of have

900
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: stories to tell and knowledge to give to the young

901
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: women about life and about tennis. And I've had some

902
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 2: amazing messages actually from a couple of the girls over

903
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: the last few days. Some of them said some really

904
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 2: lovely things at the end, and.

905
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: I'd say lovely things, really good.

906
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: Those are the smart ones. I didn't say it, but

907
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 2: a lot of the kids they were really thankful that

908
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 2: I came up and did it. And I just want

909
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: to shout out to the Tennis Wall of Fame to

910
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 2: all the the aforementioned people that I said, and they

911
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 2: did a great job, and it's what a great you know,

912
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: the kids are learning about life and that is so important,

913
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,280
Speaker 2: and tennis is such an amazing sport for life. Lessons

914
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: about being able to let go of the past, being

915
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 2: able to let go of a bad point. And you know,

916
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 2: I was honest with a lot of the stories that

917
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: I told them, and you know, one of the most

918
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: important things in life is really to be authentic. And

919
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: I felt like I was with the kids and they.

920
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: Were, yeah, you're good with kids.

921
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: They were awesome, and I just want to give them

922
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: a big shout out. So thanks for having me up there,

923
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: Marguerite and crew and all the coaches. They were awesome.

924
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: So that's kay. Where were you? You're in New Orleans.

925
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: I took Peter, my son to New Orleans. Our friend,

926
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: some family friends were there. The dad was filming a

927
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: movie with Master P.

928
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:46,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

929
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: While our kids were eating pizza and watching anime in

930
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 1: the hotel. We nipped out and went to the set,

931
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: which was a New Orleans strip club.

932
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: Wow. And then this is a little different to my

933
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 2: venture up to Rhode Island.

934
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: And then I was like, hey, so where's Master P.

935
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: You know I'm a big fan of No Limit Records obviously,

936
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: and the dad was like, oh, well, the start of

937
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: the show is coming. Just hold tight, and in walks

938
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: Tiffany Hattish, what gives the you did? Tell me? You

939
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: had an incredible monologue as the proprietor of the strip club.

940
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: This movie is filming now New Orleans. It is awesome.

941
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: It turns out all of New Orleans knows about this movie.

942
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: And I was going in blind and maybe if you know,

943
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 1: I play my cards right my shoulder, the left side

944
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 1: of my left shoulder will be visible for millim seconds.

945
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: While Tiffany Hadish was giving her a big spiel.

946
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: Oh great, we love Tiffany Haddish.

947
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: So she's fantastic and her last big her first big

948
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: breakthrough movie was in New Orleans with The Girls Trip.

949
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: So I had no idea I was about to see her,

950
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: and then she comes in and commands the room.

951
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: I love it.

952
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: I love her anyway different than your weekend, but similarly. Uh,

953
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: fun and engaging, happy to be Yeah.

954
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 2: And can I just say, it's the first time I've

955
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:03,759
Speaker 2: ever been to the Tennis Hall of Fame.

956
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: Oh, it's really beautiful.

957
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: It's gorgeous.

958
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: Sports are great.

959
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they were. I walked in, I went great.

960
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: Man.

961
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have played here back in

962
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: the day.

963
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: The grass is really good.

964
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it was when I was playing. It was all

965
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 2: There was a men's event, not a women's and I

966
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 2: would have crushed it there.

967
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: But you would have. This year was the first year

968
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: they had men and women. Yeah, this past year, and

969
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: they got a good turnout as they deserved. Yeah. Well,

970
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm excited to go up there with you to celebrate

971
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: our friend Mary Rilla, to whom this episode is dedicated.

972
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: We dedicate this to the one and only Mary. Well, guys,

973
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us this week, and we'll talk to

974
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 2: you next week, What are we going to talk about next.

975
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: Week, tennis will still be going in somewhere Ala.

976
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: We'll talk about Bye everybody, Thanks,