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Speaker 2: Yes, maybe you need to get some hugs in.

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Speaker 1: I love tennis because you Renee Stubbs, a graduate of

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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: How old I am?

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Speaker 2: do you see me walking out of here? And then

436
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Speaker 2: like a couple of years later when they opened up

437
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Speaker 2: the US sign and became Russia. I remember being there

438
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Speaker 2: with Lisa Raymond and we used to walk every day.

439
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Speaker 2: We'd go to this American diner. We'd find this diner.

440
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Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of it, but it was

441
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Speaker 2: a diner and we were like, it was like, oh,

442
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Speaker 2: it was like the Mecca. We're like, oh my god.

443
00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 2: We found like we'd have like tuna melts and like rubens.

444
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Speaker 1: You just weren't drinking borshed by the gallon. Oh.

445
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Speaker 2: We were going and finding the most disgusting American food

446
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Speaker 2: we could find, and we loved every second of it.

447
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 2: And it was like, as you know, I mean, I've

448
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Speaker 2: I should write a book, but anyway I.

449
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Speaker 1: Read a book, you need a ghost writer. I volunteer.

450
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 2: I've already told you that you can write my book. Okay, great, anyway,

451
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Speaker 2: So what do you think about that?

452
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Speaker 1: So situation more context. The Gazprom, which was obviously is

453
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Speaker 1: a state run Putin affiliated financier actually of a lot

454
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Speaker 1: of the bombings that are going on in Ukraine, has

455
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Speaker 1: put on an exhibition invited a number of top players

456
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Speaker 1: around the world, and many of the Russians are playing it,

457
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Speaker 1: including Medvedev, Karen Katchanov, Andrey Rublev. I believe is not

458
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Speaker 1: playing is not playing it, Podopova, I'm gonna get some

459
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Speaker 1: of the women's names wrong, but yeah, there's a there's

460
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Speaker 1: a there's some non Russians too. I think some of

461
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Speaker 1: the suburban All the women didn't surprise me at all. Yeah.

462
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Speaker 2: Sure, they've all been very open about their love of

463
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Speaker 2: their country into this trying time. But I'm little surprised

464
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Speaker 2: at Medvedev, who apparently was invited last year and said no,

465
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Speaker 2: I said no. I'm a little surprised with Karen Hutchanoff,

466
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Speaker 2: to be honest as well.

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Speaker 1: Karen Kushenov is as far as I know, and my

468
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Speaker 1: Russian knowledge is not the most in depth, but not Chinese.

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Speaker 1: But I believe Karen Kashenov is from a minority group.

470
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Speaker 1: That is, I'm not sure what their relationship with the

471
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Speaker 1: majority government. You remember had the Saffins and Stephena were Tatars.

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Speaker 1: I think Katschenov is from an ethnic minority group.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I do believe.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where that ethnic minority group sits with

475
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Speaker 1: regards to I think Kremlin a.

476
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Speaker 2: Little opposite to the Kremlin. I believe so I'm a

477
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Speaker 2: little surprised. Anyway, it was just a little bit shocking.

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Speaker 1: I don't see this as being terribly different from any

479
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Speaker 1: other exo with prize money. I mean, I realized that

480
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Speaker 1: this is.

481
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Speaker 2: Like saying six kings, for example, or Saudi.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see this. These are private contractors, which

483
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Speaker 1: was John Wortham's point, and they're going where the bag is. Yeah.

484
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Speaker 2: John John was not happy about it either. So anyway, I.

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Speaker 1: Just I don't know, I don't I mean, I'm not

486
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Speaker 1: trying to give anybody an out. I don't know Medvedev's

487
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Speaker 1: I'm not in politics, but I think because he lives

488
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Speaker 1: in France most of the time, he speaks a fluent

489
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Speaker 1: French and he's i think officially a citizen of Monaca. Yes,

490
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Speaker 1: I don't think he spends a ton of time.

491
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Speaker 2: It's a bit a bit it was yeah, yeah, yeah, anyway,

492
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Speaker 2: that's that's my comments on it.

493
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Speaker 1: You really like, you really came in, came in hot,

494
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Speaker 1: and I just went out like a lamb. I like,

495
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Gazprom, I want to talk

496
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Speaker 1: about the Grimlin. I want to talk about Actually, You're like,

497
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Speaker 1: I don't.

498
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Speaker 2: Know geopolitically, you just have a better understanding of sort

499
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Speaker 2: of like those conversations. That's why I ask you. You

500
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Speaker 2: asked me tennis. I asked you politics. Yeah, of politics,

501
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: and the last thing you want to talk about in

502
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Speaker 2: your life is politics, which cracks me up.

503
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Speaker 1: Political journalists. Three presidential campaigns under my belt and not

504
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Speaker 1: one more for the rest of my life. I can

505
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Speaker 1: tell you that much, assuming we still have a presidency

506
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Speaker 1: in a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Chris U.

508
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Speaker 1: Banks announced his refinement. What a gym.

509
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Speaker 2: Yeah, lovely guy. Fantastic year that he had, was it

510
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Speaker 2: last year?

511
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Speaker 1: Three years ago? Three?

512
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Speaker 2: Yeah, two seasons ago.

513
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Speaker 1: He one hand, backhand, South Atlanta native South Fulton Tennis

514
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Speaker 1: Center will represent one hander Georgia tech, yellow jacket, all

515
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Speaker 1: around stand up guy, phenomenal commentator, and a grass court specialist,

516
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Speaker 1: which I don't know.

517
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Speaker 2: I last court. I would call him a fast court specialist.

518
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Speaker 1: I would love to ask him if he anticipated his

519
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Speaker 1: best successes and titles coming on grass. Grass.

520
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Speaker 2: Yes, I can answer that question. But as a kid

521
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Speaker 2: growing up in with the merchant light sprinkled listen, I

522
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Speaker 2: would say my favorite and best surface was grass or

523
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Speaker 2: a fast indoor court. And I didn't grow up on

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Speaker 2: grass I mean, even though I was like, yeah, Australie

525
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Speaker 2: and of course you played on grass, I'm like, yeah,

526
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Speaker 2: we played on grass like once a year. Maybe we

527
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Speaker 2: were playing on synthetic grass and hard court and shitty

528
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Speaker 2: do it?

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Speaker 1: I would weader and we should ask him, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure he would do the pod. He's a lovely person, yea,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, Chris, come up. He's now doing as he

532
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Speaker 1: very very much deserves to be doing a little bit

533
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Speaker 1: of a victory lap. I hope he stays involved in

534
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Speaker 1: tennis and on our cover excellent at.

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Speaker 2: It, but he'll be commentating down I uh.

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Speaker 1: I have a suspicion he probably didn't play on grass

537
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Speaker 1: until at the very earliest, maybe in an international junior

538
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Speaker 1: tournament here there, like maybe he got invited to US

539
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Speaker 1: Junior Wimbledon or US or but I kind of doubt it.

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Speaker 1: I think he probably didn't play on grass until he

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Speaker 1: got to post pros. Anyway, I'm not trying to make

542
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Speaker 1: this his career all about grass, but he is. He

543
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Speaker 1: was exciting to who's fun to watch, and more than

544
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Speaker 1: anything else, he assumes like a universally beloved, thoughtful, kind looking.

545
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Speaker 2: Great guy, great guy of ten great commentator, great knowledge,

546
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Speaker 2: great and you know what the thing about Chris is,

547
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Speaker 2: and I can tell you this with working with him.

548
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: He researches and he does the work, and he does

549
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Speaker 2: the he does the he does the little things that

550
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Speaker 2: some other people don't when it comes to commentary and

551
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: comes to even if you if you get him for

552
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Speaker 2: an interview, he'll make sure that he's If you say, oh, Chris,

553
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Speaker 2: we want to talk about X, you know later today,

554
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Speaker 2: he'll research it and he just doesn't go out there

555
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Speaker 2: and come crush. So Chris, congratulations on an amazing career.

556
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Speaker 2: And I'm sure that you're going to be a successful

557
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Speaker 2: in doing whatever you're doing. So so well done, my friend.

558
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Speaker 2: I just want to backtrack a little bit to Davis

559
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Speaker 2: Cup for a second. I cannot believe that tennis is

560
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Speaker 2: still going on even Tennis Channel the other day put

561
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Speaker 2: on one of their.

562
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Speaker 1: He's like wave the white flag like that.

563
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Speaker 2: Just when you thought the thing was over, we're still here.

564
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Speaker 2: You also, why Cineple's out. We'll give the guy a break.

565
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Speaker 2: He's won two titles back to back. For you, He's

566
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Speaker 2: had an unbelievably long year, a stress or a year

567
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Speaker 2: marked by you know the suspension for three months, which

568
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Speaker 2: I'm sure took a mental.

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Speaker 1: Toll on him.

570
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Speaker 2: But you know, look, somebody else has to try and win.

571
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Speaker 2: There's enough bloody Italian players to try and win the

572
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Speaker 2: Davis Cup again.

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Speaker 1: So very deep bench, I do think that much like

574
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Speaker 1: your topsy turvy let's throw a grenade in the mix

575
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Speaker 1: kind of commentary, like let's give everyone press access for

576
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Speaker 1: a year, or let's condense this. You know, have this

577
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Speaker 1: thing every four years, guys, please, oh yeah, just make

578
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Speaker 1: it meaningful because two years, every two years like the

579
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Speaker 1: World Cup kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, with every two years. Its kind of like ryde

581
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Speaker 2: A Cup.

582
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Speaker 1: You know. Well, I don't care about golf and I can't,

583
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Speaker 1: but I do think some I think four years feels good.

584
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Speaker 1: It's like the Olympics.

585
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Speaker 2: We're like, oh, I don't have it in the Olympic year, don't.

586
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Speaker 1: Have it in the open you have it off years.

587
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Speaker 1: So every two years really big? Yeah, make it really big.

588
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 1: And I do think and you've been saying this for

589
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Speaker 1: a long time and I kind of have not really

590
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Speaker 1: appreciated it because I didn't ever play on my countries.

591
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Speaker 2: I thought you were going to say you didn't appreciate.

592
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Speaker 1: Me, and maybe I didn't appreciate you. But here I

593
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: am telling you twice today. Wow, I'm gonna start crying.

594
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Speaker 1: I do think that you have been right to say

595
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Speaker 1: that it really misses out from not having a home

596
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Speaker 1: and away. I think the whole thing of it actually

597
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Speaker 1: is that you need to give people the opportunity to

598
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Speaker 1: celebrate their country. And I'm not saying you need to

599
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Speaker 1: play the preliminary rounds in a particular, you know place.

600
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Speaker 1: I think it's probably smart to rotate that, but when

601
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Speaker 1: it gets down to like the last.

602
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 2: That especially better idea.

603
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Speaker 1: I think should have rotation. They should. I it would

604
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Speaker 1: be cool to have it like the way that we

605
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: have basketball, where it's like if it's Australia VERSUS America,

606
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Speaker 1: then maybe it's best you do it every four years

607
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: American and Australia are going to split the finals. So

608
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: the one match in each place, and if there's a third,

609
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 1: whoever has the best or score, you do it there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Something that does get the crowd involved,

611
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Speaker 1: but maybe doesn't give us such a huge advantage, or

612
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 1: at least people can fly to one place and know

613
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Speaker 1: that they're going to see their people yeah, maybe.

614
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 2: You have a grouped a thing at one place and

615
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 2: it becomes a destination for tennis fans to go and

616
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: watch their country, and then you have the winner. What

617
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: people don't understand is that those countries have to via

618
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: for it, like they you know, they have to say, yeah,

619
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Speaker 2: we want it to here, right. Some don't want it

620
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Speaker 2: because they can't afford it.

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't want it?

622
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Speaker 2: Some can't afford it. Some you know, a country like

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's say I'm not gonna say Italy

624
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Speaker 2: because they get great support.

625
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: But let's say Belgium.

626
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Speaker 2: Belgium, they can't afford to build the stadium or you

627
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Speaker 2: know it at all all the things. I don't know.

628
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Speaker 2: It's not that easy. It does cost the federation. It's

629
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Speaker 2: quite a lot of money to put on Fed Cup,

630
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Speaker 2: a Belligan King Cup and Davis Cup.

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Speaker 1: So she resolve the more reason to do it every four.

632
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Speaker 2: Years exactly, and then all and the IF should be

633
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Speaker 2: unbelievably much more supportive of helping with that.

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Speaker 1: That does grassroots.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's get to a little bit of the

636
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: grassroots and talk about some fabulous news that we found

637
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: out today. Oh and this is one of the reasons

638
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: why we're glad we didn't do the podcast on Monday,

639
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: because we would not have known this news. One bit

640
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: of news that we already knew was that mister Roger

641
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: Federer will be going into the Tennis Hall of Fame,

642
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: and you know, arguably, I would say, is going to

643
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 2: be the most unbelievably popular champion to ever go in there.

644
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 2: I think the love he's going to receive that weekend

645
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: is going to be extraordinary, but more importantly.

646
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Speaker 1: More importantly, more importantly a lot.

647
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Speaker 2: For us, for me and you, Caitlin, and I can

648
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: honestly say this, this person is the reason, maybe not

649
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 2: the entire reason, but certainly a huge reason. Which of

650
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 2: what why I am in do commentary and I have

651
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Speaker 2: this podcast and I have taken it to loving this

652
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Speaker 2: sport so much and done it in the media after

653
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Speaker 2: finishing and not gonna get another job, is because this

654
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Speaker 2: person supported me more than anybody I've ever known in

655
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Speaker 2: my life in this industry of media and tennis. Then

656
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Speaker 2: our great friend and one of the nicest, most loving, supportive,

657
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: amazing people we've ever met in our lives, and that

658
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Speaker 2: is Mary Carrillo, is going into the Tennis Hall of

659
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Speaker 2: Fame as a contributor to the sport of tennis, and

660
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Speaker 2: we could not be fucking happier. And I saw the

661
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Speaker 2: announcement on Instagram today from Katrina Adams, our other great friend,

662
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: and I literally it came after I was just happened

663
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Speaker 2: to have the Hall of Fame came up on my

664
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Speaker 2: Instagram and it was like Roger getting announced by Kim

665
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Speaker 2: Cleisters and blah blah blah. And then the next slide

666
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Speaker 2: I see Katrina Adams and Mary Carillo and I'm like, oh, oh,

667
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Speaker 2: my god, and I started to cry because Mary Carillo is,

668
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: without question, my just I just I've I just want

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Speaker 2: to be Mary Carrilla. Yeah, I mean, I've wanted to

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Speaker 2: be Mary since I stopped playing tennis.

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Speaker 1: Mary Carillo is for me, the person I've wanted to

672
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Speaker 1: be when I grew up, and to this day, the

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Speaker 1: best person that I've outside of me, outside of Renee

674
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Speaker 1: Steps that I that I've have had the privilege of

675
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Speaker 1: spending time and space in the sport. She's somebody who

676
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Speaker 1: is unapologetically embracing of the sport in always she is

677
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: fearless about speaking truth to power, which truly, truly is

678
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: among the most formidable things about her, because if you

679
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Speaker 1: know anything about tennis, and this is probably not untrue

680
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: in other sports as well, or you know politics, which

681
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: is the world that I came from as a journalist

682
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: before before starting Ragget, and like the amount of self dealing,

683
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: self aggrandized, backstabbing, machinations, dummies in charge making very very

684
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,479
Speaker 1: uninformed decision. It's just it's rife with a bunch of

685
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: amazing people, and it's rife with.

686
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: A lot of I think you said it's self serving.

687
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Speaker 1: It's rife with a lot of conflicts of interest and

688
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: very few people. Everyone is disincentivized from talking about it,

689
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: and a lot of people, even journalists that I know

690
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: and some I even admire, have decided to pull their punches.

691
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: And Mary has never been that person. He would rather,

692
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: on principle, and we've seen it from her time and

693
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: time and time again, lose her job, take herself out

694
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: of contention from commentating a match involving a player who

695
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: credibly accused by many of domestic abuse. She would rather

696
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: take a knee as opposed to working for or with

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00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: people she considers to be on the wrong side of

698
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 1: history and morals. And I think all of the wonderful

699
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: things you can say about Mary, her incredible commentary, her hilarious, heartfelt,

700
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: knowledgeable and insightful journalism. That her record speaks for itself.

701
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: But it's the part that I know and that you

702
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: know that people don't necessarily see, which is that she's

703
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: in the back rooms fighting the good fight, always, always,

704
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I couldn't be more excited. I'm contemplating

705
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: just going up there and showing up for her and

706
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: then just been like, well, my time here is done. Bye.

707
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: I did talk to her this morning for and I

708
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 2: did say that Mary, I just want to see your

709
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 2: speech because it's going to be in going to be hilarious,

710
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 2: it will be heartfelt. There were one hundred percent tiers

711
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: from everybody that I.

712
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Speaker 1: Soo when you meet people as talented as she is

713
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Speaker 1: and don't get it twisted. Mary Crilla also has a

714
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: Grand Slam to her name, which is one more Grand

715
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: Slam than almost anybody else on the planet, by the way,

716
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: winning a mixed doubles with John Ekron at the French

717
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Speaker 1: I believe in seventy eight ers yesterday. Yes, so you know,

718
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: not a shitty tennis player when you when you think

719
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Speaker 1: of all the amazing things about you know, people who

720
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: have really expanded our understanding the game, made so many

721
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: doorways open. She made it fun. Yeah, she was just

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Speaker 1: she's She's truly tremendous. And to me, she's one of

723
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: the best commentators who's ever lived and.

724
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Speaker 2: One of the greatest vices on the world.

725
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: Feed yea more than I enjoy almost everyone on the

726
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: main broadcast.

727
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: And if Mary she does listen to our podcast from

728
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: time to time, and I hope she listens to this one.

729
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 1: And I'm going to.

730
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Speaker 2: Make her because she's going to hate every lovely thing

731
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: we're saying about her. She's going to want to throw

732
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Speaker 2: herself off a building. But Mary, one thing you don't

733
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: know about Mary is that Mary carries around these books

734
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 2: of you know, like when you're at school and you

735
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 2: there's certain those certain.

736
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Speaker 1: Books that you carry around notebook thank you.

737
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Speaker 2: I didn't go to school, And she has boxes and

738
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: boxes and boxes, and I I hope that I actually

739
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: will make this suggestion to her, and it probably won't happen,

740
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 2: but one of the things that I would like to

741
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: see go into the Hall of Fame is one of

742
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: those books, oh her archives, because she You've never like

743
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: Mary will get a story about someone and she'll write

744
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: it in that in that book. And then she'll hear

745
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: a story about someone else and she'll write in that book,

746
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: and then she'll research something about them that she'll write

747
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: it in that book. And then the match will get

748
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: played and she'll write something in the book. And Mary

749
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: is so old school with the journalistic and sort of

750
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 2: commentators way of doing things that the things that are

751
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 2: written in those books she's luis. She'll like, she'll have

752
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: one with her and we'll be changed. Oh, listen to

753
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,720
Speaker 2: listen to this back in sevent you know, ninety five,

754
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: and she'll click through the thing and she'll have some

755
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: story that she's written down. She just she's an archives

756
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 2: of her own, and it should be the Mary Carillo

757
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 2: Archives would be very interesting.

758
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: The international tennis of him. I will read her book.

759
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: At one point offered to write her book. I say,

760
00:35:57,560 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: doesn't need my help to write. She's a fantastic writer.

761
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: But I think in conclusion, Mary Krillo is, if there

762
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: are any justice in the world, would be truly in

763
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: charge of the whole thing of it.

764
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Speaker 2: She she's a mensch and we just we love her.

765
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Speaker 1: Well. Congratulations, Mary will be there to celebrate you.

766
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Speaker 2: We will be there with some bells. We'll bring some bells.

767
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Speaker 2: One thing that was a little bit controversially about that

768
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 2: didn't get in was one Martin del Potro did not

769
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Speaker 2: get it, put in in his first ballot, which is interesting.

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Speaker 1: He's fellow Argentine, Gabriella Sebertini. Yeah, got in with the

771
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 1: same amount of slams. Yeah as he has.

772
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had Davis cupp and he has maybe also

773
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: at the Olympics. But more controversial is the fact that

774
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 2: Svetlana kuz Netzba didn't get in. She's like four, Like,

775
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: what are we doing? Hey, are you guys voting on

776
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 2: actual criteria? Because there are people in the Hall of

777
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: Fame that won one Grand Slam, Michael Chang, Gabriellas Abertini,

778
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 2: We've mentioned a.

779
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: Few of them.

780
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not a slide on them because they

781
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 2: were very important in their ears and very important with

782
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: what they gave to tennis. But fuck, come on, I mean,

783
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: is it because she's Russian? Maybe the only thing that

784
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 2: I can think of, because Svetlana kus Netzeva has won

785
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 2: two major titles in singles, won multiple doubles Grand slams,

786
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 2: which should count. There are doubles players in the in

787
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. Yeah, and one fed Cup Billy

788
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 2: Jean Cup many times for Russia, was the stalwart of

789
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 2: that team for years.

790
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: And has a really cool back tattoo.

791
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: And fairly certain she's won medals at the Olympics. I

792
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: should look that up.

793
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, she has.

794
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: And you don't vote her into the Hall of Fame.

795
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,919
Speaker 2: What the fuck are we doing? Like, come on now.

796
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,399
Speaker 2: The only thing I can think of is that they

797
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: wanted Raja on his own. If that's the case, don't

798
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: nominate somebody else.

799
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true, because that is bullshit. Sorry, no, agree.

800
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: Svetlana kuz Netzeva deserves to be in the Tennis Hall

801
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: of Fame on her first ballot.

802
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: Make drop, no disagreement.

803
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: So and I get it. It's going to be all

804
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 2: about Roger and it should be. And Mary Krillo at

805
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: the hilarity of the fact that we did laugh about

806
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: the fame that Mary is on the ballot with Roger,

807
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: and she's just like, what are you gonna do it?

808
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: But you know, it's sort of like perfect because they do.

809
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: She deserves it and I'm sure she got it.

810
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: She is the goat of what she does. Yeah, yeah,

811
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: if anybody thinks of her as anything other than the

812
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: main course, like, I don't know, get your head, jack.

813
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: Mary and I do matches. We've worked a lot at

814
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: the last four Olympics together and we have called many

815
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: matches where I'm in one country and she's in another.

816
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: Love that and.

817
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: Mary is the most one of the things. I just

818
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 2: I know we keep going on about Mary, but Mary's

819
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: the most generous play by play person you could ever

820
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: work with. And there are some play by people that

821
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 2: talk a lot, that take a lot of the air.

822
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: There's some that don't really do much research. Mary research

823
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: the living daylights out of everything, and she's so good

824
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: at stepping back and letting the analysts do their job.

825
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 2: And she's an expert. She played. She's a very good

826
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: player in her own right. So I just want to

827
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: say I'm a little upset with the Hall of Fame

828
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 2: that they didn't vote in Sveetlana.

829
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Speaker 1: I think that I don't know who's doing the voting.

830
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 2: I don't vote.

831
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: Do you vote votes? I got to vote maybe a

832
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 1: couple of years ago for on behalf of the media.

833
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: But I think it must alternate because I don't know.

834
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 1: I don't know if it'd.

835
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: Say today, I was like, no offense, But how do

836
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: I get a vote of as some random tennis writer.

837
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: I'm in tennis media, I work on television, I have

838
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: a podcast. I played, Well, why am I? Why are

839
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 2: someone like me not getting a vote?

840
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: Well?

841
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 2: I didn't get that. I do need to ask my friends.

842
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: I think, like a lot of this stuff, it's it's

843
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: a opaque and hierarchical system that only benefits the people

844
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: currently in power. And you saw what happened with the

845
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: Academy Awards and the Golden Globes when they were revealed

846
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: to be just like, very non diverse, very same same.

847
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: I know that there's an International Tennis Writers Association that,

848
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: as far as I know, doesn't.

849
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 2: Do you think it's Caushi's Russian? I think probably I

850
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 2: didn't want to have that controversy with Roger.

851
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: No, I don't think there. I don't think. I don't

852
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,439
Speaker 1: think Russia is as controversial as it probably should be.

853
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 2: And put their flags back as tennis players agreed.

854
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: I don't think what are we doing? This form of

855
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 1: protest is not really that useful, but I do think

856
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: it's more recency bias and it's probably some old fashioned misogyny. Well,

857
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: it's crazy.

858
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,879
Speaker 2: I should be in there too, like Spetlana Kuznetsova needs

859
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: to be ahead of one Martin. I mean she wonted

860
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: way more titles than he did, so anyway, and you know,

861
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: she was the start of the Russians really doing really

862
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: well too, you know.

863
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: I mean there were Elena Dementi never won a.

864
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: Grand Slam, true, uh, miss Skina one one prior to

865
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: one of French Open, French Open, prior to Swetlanta. But

866
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 2: Spetlana then, Swetlana really was the best Russian player, you know,

867
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: when they've had some great other than Maria Sharapova, Yeah,

868
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 2: sure so, and Marie after Atlanta. Really, you know, it's

869
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 2: thought of about the same time, but a little bit.

870
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 2: But Svetlana is the one that really was always in

871
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: the mix win slams. So I'm a little disappointed in

872
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 2: that one.

873
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: But well, let's let's end on a positive note that

874
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: actually in Newport, I was what were you doing?

875
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: I went up there to work with the Tennis Hall

876
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: of Fame and Gamebridge and Parody and a wonderful group

877
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 2: of young women of all ages from about oh boy,

878
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: I guess the youngest was probably like maybe seven or

879
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: eight right through to like eighteen, and kids going to college,

880
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 2: the girls going to college, and it was it was awesome.

881
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: OK.

882
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 2: I was on port with the kids, and then afterwards

883
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: I did a like a talk, like a little bit

884
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 2: of a not a ted talk, but like a fireside

885
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: chat with them, and they were so great. These kids

886
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 2: were awesome. I just want to give them all a

887
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: shout out because I said I would, and they they're

888
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: looking forward to hearing about it on the Pody Curse.

889
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: I tell them that I would curse less on this

890
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: podcast today.

891
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: Have you cursed less?

892
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 2: I don't know, what do you think?

893
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually there haven't been. There's been some sprinkling, but

894
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: less like outbursts.

895
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: Less outbursts. But Marguerite and all the coaches that I

896
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: worked with up there were fantastic. They did such a

897
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 2: good job with the girls. And I sat around after

898
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: we played tennis and we did a nice little it's

899
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: called their Tennis Fame event that they it's the first

900
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: time I think, I believe they've done it, and they're

901
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: just introducing people like me that have sort of have

902
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 2: stories to tell and knowledge to give to the young

903
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: women about life and about tennis. And I've had some

904
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: amazing messages actually from a couple of the girls over

905
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: the last few days. Some of them said some really

906
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: lovely things at the end, and I'd.

907
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: Say lovely things, really good. Those are the smart ones.

908
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: I didn't say it, but a lot of the kids

909
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: they were really thankful that I came up and did it.

910
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 2: And I just want to shout out to the Tennis

911
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: Wall of Fame and to all the the aforementioned people

912
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: that I said, and they did a great job, and

913
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: it's what a great you know, the kids are learning

914
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: about life and that is so important, and tennis is

915
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: such an amazing sport for life. Lessons about being able

916
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: to let go of the past, being able to let

917
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: go of a bad point. And you know, I was

918
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,399
Speaker 2: honest with a lot of the stories that I told them,

919
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 2: and you know, one of the most important things in

920
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 2: life is really to be authentic. And I felt like

921
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 2: I was with the kids and they.

922
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: Were, yeah, you're good with kids.

923
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: They were awesome, and I just want to give them

924
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 2: a big shout out. So thanks for having me up there.

925
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 2: Marguerite and crew and all the coaches. They were awesome.

926
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: So that's kay.

927
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: Where were you? You're in New Orleans.

928
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: I took Peter, my son to New Orleans. Our friend,

929
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: some family friends were there. The dad was filming a

930
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: movie with Master P Wow. While our kids were eating

931
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: pizza and watching anime in the hotel. We nipped out

932
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 1: and went to the set, which was a New Orleans

933
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:56,959
Speaker 1: strip club.

934
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 2: Wow. And then this is a little different to my

935
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: enter up to rhighte On Island.

936
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: And then I was like, hey, so where's mister P.

937
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a big fan of No Limit Records obviously,

938
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: and the dad was like, oh, well, the start of

939
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: the show is coming. Just hold tight, and in walks

940
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 1: Tiffany Hattish, what who gives the you did? Tell me?

941
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 2: You had an.

942
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: Incredible monologue as the proprietor of the strip club. This

943
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: movie is filming now New Orleans. It is awesome. It

944
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: turns out all of New Orleans knows about this movie.

945
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: And I was going in blind and maybe if you know,

946
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:37,240
Speaker 1: I play my cards right my shoulder, the left side

947
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: of my left shoulder will be visible for millim seconds.

948
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: While Tifnany Hatish was giving her a big spiel.

949
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 2: Oh, great.

950
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: We love Tiffany Haddish, so she's fantastic and her last

951
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: big her first big breakthrough movie was in New Orleans

952
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: with The Girls Trip, So I had no idea I

953
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: was about to see her, and then she comes in

954
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: and commands the room. I love it anyway, different than

955
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: your weekend, but similar, really fun and engaging.

956
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: Happy to Yeah, and can I just say, it's the

957
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: first time I've ever been to the Tennis Hall of Fame.

958
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: Oh, it's really beautiful.

959
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 2: It's gorgeous.

960
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: Sports are great.

961
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they were. I walked in, I went great.

962
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: Man.

963
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,840
Speaker 2: I would have loved to have played here back in

964
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 2: the day.

965
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: The grass is really good.

966
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it was when I was playing. It was all

967
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: There was a men's event, not a women's and I

968
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 2: would have crushed.

969
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: It there, but you would have. This year was the

970
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: first year they had men and women. Yeah, this past year.

971
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: It was great and they got a good turnout as

972
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,719
Speaker 1: they deserved. Yeah. Well, I'm excited to go up there

973
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: with you to celebrate our friend Mary Rilla, to whom

974
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: this episode is dedicated.

975
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 2: We dedicate this to the one and only Mary. Well. Guys,

976
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us this week and we'll talk to

977
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: you next week. What are we going to talk about

978
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: next week?

979
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: Tennis will still be going in somewhere. Sorry, okay, we'll

980
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: talk about that.

981
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 2: Bye everybody, Thanks,