1 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. Today, 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: I've got a friend and colleague on the show, Jason Schaefitz. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: You know him from Fox News. He's also the former 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 1: House Oversight chairman as well, and we're going to dig 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: into the recent documents that have been declassified and have 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: been pushed out by the Trump administration, these explosive documents 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: surrounding the Trump Russia probe. So we'll cover the new revelations. 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: We'll explore who launched the investigation and why, and then 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: also examine President Obama's role. Also, was it Hillary Clinton 11 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: who kicked this all off? Who spearheaded all of this 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: with the Steele dossier. We'll talk about Hillary Clinton's role 13 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: in this manufactured intelligence. Also, did the FBI ignore red 14 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: flags about Russian disinformation and all of this as well. 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 2: We'll get to the bottom of that. 16 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: So stay tuned for my friend and colleague, Jason Schaffitz, 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: who's going to bring us the truth about the Watched 18 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: Russia hoax. Well, Jason Schaefits, it's great to have you. 19 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 2: On the show again. My friend. 20 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: We kind of got into this when we were co 21 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: hosting together recently on The Big Show, and so when 22 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking about a guest, I was like, Jason 23 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: is the person for this, So I appreciate you making 24 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: the time. 25 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, always anything for Lisa Booth. Are you kidding me? 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: Well, be careful, be careful putting that out, you know. 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 3: Start to well, I've learned the hard way, So yeah. 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding. But okay, so Jason. 29 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: So basically, obviously there's like so much information being put out, 30 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: and so I think it's like a little bit honestly confusing, 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: but just I think people are kind of trying to 32 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: figure out like what's new, what's not new, just sort 33 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: of like sifting through it. And so it's kind of 34 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: like the point of the conversation I want to have 35 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: with you. It is just sort of breaking it down 36 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: and you know, explaining it to both me and then 37 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: the audience as well. 38 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: So I guess it's start off kind of at the. 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 1: Top with all the information that's been released so far, 40 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: what's new that we didn't already know? 41 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, and let me preface new by saying it's a 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 4: growing body of evidence that should have been uncovered and revealed. 43 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 4: If you had actors that were playing by the rules 44 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 4: and by the law. It should have come out, you know, 45 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 4: years ago. So the Democrats are masters at playing this 46 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 4: game saying, oh, well, that's not new, so it's not 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 4: worthy of listening to. 48 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 3: But that's not true. And so the. 49 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 4: Newest things that you know were foreshadowed by Telsea Gabbert, 50 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 4: the Director of National Intelligence, John Radcliffe is CIA director. 51 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 4: Cash Pattel has foreshadowed even more documents coming from this 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 4: so called annex to the Durham Report, these burd bags 53 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 4: that were found. The startling evidence that is quote unquote 54 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 4: new is Hillary Clinton personally signing off on it, on 55 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 4: this operation to to delegitimize Donald Trump by drawing an 56 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 4: association that was bogus, that was not true in relationship 57 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 4: to Russia. And that comes out in emails from witnesses 58 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: who say that's what happened. It's not Hillary rod and 59 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 4: Clinton saying I Hillary Rod and. 60 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 3: Clinton did this. 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 4: So it's an allegation, but it's a serious one because 62 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 4: it was the first hardcore, first hand account in writing 63 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 4: that said HRC has approved this. 64 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: Now I'm paraphrasing, but that's essentially the allegation. 65 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 4: And this goes back to w Westernman Schultz, the Florida congresswoman, 66 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 4: having interactions with people in George Soros's orbit and foundations, 67 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 4: but to say that that was something that she personally 68 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 4: signed off and that they were good with moving forward. 69 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 4: Another big one which we had not heard and seen before, 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: was the idea that Barack Obama, as the President of 71 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 4: the United States December of twenty sixteen, was going to rewrite, 72 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 4: in essence, have them go back and rewrite the findings 73 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: of the career officials within the intelligence communities to change 74 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 4: the assessment. They believed that the Steele dossier, which was 75 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 4: used as the predicate to spy on Americans and spy 76 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 4: on Donald Trump's campaign and those in his orbit, that 77 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 4: that was discredited, didn't meet the standards of intelligence collection 78 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 4: and therefore they didn't have the predicate to do the spying. 79 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 4: And now that Donald Trump did the unthinkable, which was 80 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 4: get elected, Donald Trump was going to be able to 81 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 4: figure that out unless they went back and rewrote this, 82 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 4: which happened a week or so before Donald Trump got 83 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 4: his first presidential brief as the candidate elect or the 84 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 4: president elect in December of twenty sixteen, So that again 85 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 4: is new information direct involvement by the President of the 86 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 4: United States and again furthers this and this notion that 87 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 4: he didn't want to have his whole presidency tainted by 88 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton and her email scandal and something that I 89 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: was very involved in. Those are some of the biggest 90 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 4: takeaway items. And there's a lot more to it, but 91 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 4: that's those are some of the newest things that just 92 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,679 Speaker 4: add fuel to the fire. 93 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: And this what could be a quite a conspiracy. 94 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: Who started it, Like who initiated this whole you know, 95 00:05:55,839 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: spying on President Trump and you know, kind of starting 96 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: the idea that Trump was like in bed with Putin 97 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: in the Russians. 98 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:11,119 Speaker 4: So the growing body of evidence seems to indicate again 99 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 4: nothing has been proven, nobody's been you know, prosecuted and convicted, 100 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: but the growing amount of evidence is that Barack Obama 101 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 4: did not want this email scandal with Hillary Clinton spinning 102 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 4: out of control, and that Clinton's. 103 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 3: Took ten million. 104 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: Dollars out of their campaign to use that money through 105 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 4: Mark Elias and his law firm. They checked it off 106 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 4: as a quote unquote legal expense, which I think has 107 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 4: been ruled on now is it really wasn't a legal 108 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: expense to push this money overseas to then come up 109 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 4: with this fiction. It's not as if they said, hey, 110 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 4: structure it just like this. It's hey, we've got a 111 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 4: bloody up Donald Trump and create this proximity in this 112 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 4: question in people's minds that Donald Trumps is as a 113 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: Russian puppet, you know. And so you start to see 114 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 4: the players in there, and then you start to see 115 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 4: the intelligence community. This is where it gets really nefarious 116 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 4: is when you have people like James Clapper, John Brannan, 117 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 4: James Comey seemingly ponds in executing this not fully investigating 118 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton, not doing anything to get to the truth 119 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: about her handling or mishandling a classified information that's a whole. 120 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: Other thread or vein that we could go. 121 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: And talk about that I was very involved with. But 122 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 4: they use this Steele dossier as the predicate to then 123 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 4: go to the courts. And this is where I think 124 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 4: there's the most vulnerability if somebody is actually going to 125 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 4: get prosecuted. Is the way this works in the you 126 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: hear this term the FISA court right. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance 127 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 4: Act gave special police powers to if somebody's overseas communicating 128 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: with somebody in the United States. 129 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: How do you deal with that? 130 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 4: That's not a traditional warrant between two Americans with constitutional rights, 131 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 4: So how do you do that? They came up with 132 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 4: this faiza scheme under the Patriot Act, which would actually 133 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: allow them, the government to put forward a document that 134 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: goes to a judge. They call it a court, but 135 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 4: it's really just a judge in a skiff secure compartmental 136 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 4: information facility, and the judge will look at that documentation 137 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 4: and either grant or deny a warrant to surveil somebody. 138 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 4: And it's like ninety nine point something percent of them 139 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 4: get approved. At the very top of this little forma 140 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 4: says verified, like they've verified this information. And at least 141 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 4: on some of the occasions, I believe it's James Comey 142 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 4: who signed off on these applications to get warrants to 143 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 4: spy on people in Trump's orbit. But the allegation is 144 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 4: that they knew, or they should have known, that the 145 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 4: underlying predicate, the Steele dossier was bogus, and therefore they 146 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 4: lied to the court. And there are a lot of 147 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: us that believe if you lie to the court, there 148 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 4: should be consequences. 149 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 3: If Lisa Booth lied to the court. 150 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 4: If Joe Schmo out in Kansas City lied to the court, 151 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 4: If you know, Jennifer Jones out in you know, to 152 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 4: Peek at Kansas lied to the court, she'd probably go 153 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 4: to jail. She'd probably be you know, there'd be repercussions. 154 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 4: But that's far there hasn't been any. 155 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: And the irony is I know Senator Grassley put this 156 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: out I think in twenty twenty, well can't some of 157 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: the did classified footnotes. 158 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: And found that it believed that some. 159 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: Of the sources of Christopher Steele were tied to like 160 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: the Kremlin. So like the irony is that in an 161 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: effort to push the narrative that Trump was cozy with 162 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: the Russians, they were pushing Russian disinformation from sources that 163 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: were tied to the Kremlin. 164 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 3: So part of what's kind of uncovered here. 165 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: Like they were the ones working with the Russians. 166 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 4: So part of what gives credence to some of the 167 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 4: career officials who went and looked at this is. 168 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: Somehow someway. 169 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 4: We don't know how, but the US government Intelligence agency 170 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 4: picked up on communic cays that the Russians had, that 171 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 4: the Russians had kind of tapped into what Hillary Clinton 172 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 4: was doing, and they foreshadowed that Clinton would. 173 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 3: Do just this, that she was going to come up 174 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: with this scheme. 175 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 4: They foreshadowed how they were going to execute on it, 176 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 4: that Joe Biden, then his vice president, would be the 177 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 4: very first to go out and make this allegation about 178 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 4: Donald Trump and that it would roll from there, and 179 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 4: they gave very specific details and markers. And then when 180 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: it started actually happening, the US intelligence community looked at 181 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 4: that and said, oh my gosh, what the Clintons are 182 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 4: doing is actually true and real because the Russians foreshadowed it. 183 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 4: They must have an It's kind of scary how good 184 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: the Russians are inspiring on us and our political leaders. 185 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 4: They're the bad guys in this, but you know, they 186 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 4: foreshadowed exactly that Joe Biden would do this, and then 187 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 4: the DNC happens in twenty second, you know, the Democratic 188 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: National Convention, and then you know, in twenty sixteen, sure enough, 189 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 4: he goes out there and he's one of the first 190 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 4: ones making these allegations, just like the Russians. 191 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: Said that Clintons would do. 192 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 4: So that is also new that the Russians had figured 193 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 4: out Clinton's scheme and they thought it was I mean, 194 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: I think the underlying and again I haven't read every 195 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 4: document of every line, but again another allegation is that 196 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 4: the Russians ironically really wanted Hillary Clinton to win because 197 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 4: they had a lot more dirt on her than they 198 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 4: did on Donald Trump. 199 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 3: They didn't have anything on Donald Trump. He didn't have 200 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: much well. 201 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 2: I think too. 202 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: One thing that was always I think kind of demonstrates 203 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: kind of like the collusion and the desire to work 204 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump and all this is that the media 205 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: couldn't publish the Steele dossier because they knew it was 206 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 1: unverified and they couldn't verify the information in it. And 207 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: so James Comy and Brennan and some of the other 208 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: Intel guys met with President Trump, then President elect Trump 209 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: before he took office in twenty seventeen, and briefed him 210 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: on the salacious details of the dossier. And then somehow 211 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: that magically leaked. The fact that they met magically leaked 212 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: to the media, which I think CNN then covered, and 213 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: then it gave BuzzFeed the hook to publish the dossier 214 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: in fool, which they couldn't publish previously because it was unverified, 215 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 1: but because the meeting was leaked, that gave them the 216 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: hook to then release the unverified dossier. And so it's 217 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: like pretty obvious that Comy, who was a history of 218 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: leaking to the media, you know, basically set Trump up, 219 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: juiced him up with the salacious details they knew to 220 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: be false, and then gave you know, it gave the 221 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: green light to the media to then run with all this. 222 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: You know, Clinton wise to begin with, well. 223 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: Look, this is the CD side of why so many. 224 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 2: Had That's accurate, right, all that, but oh. 225 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, CD concerns about James Comy in the way he 226 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 4: did business. 227 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: I mean, we had the Inspector. 228 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 4: General, Michael Horowitz at the Department of Justice recommend prosecution 229 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 4: of people who were leaking information, accepting gifts for information, 230 00:13:58,520 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 4: doing things like that. 231 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 3: And then and then, of course, you. 232 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 4: Know, James Comy engaging with a somebody he had a 233 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 4: long time relationship with who didn't have. 234 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 3: A security clearance giving him information. 235 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 4: You know, it's just they had a pattern of this, 236 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 4: and I'm talking about finding shells on a beach, I'm 237 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 4: talking about some you know, stuff that has security clearance issues. 238 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 4: And so that's and then comy, you know, doing a 239 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 4: variety of other things. I mean, how many times did 240 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: I get a lecture from James kmy about well, you know, 241 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 4: you have to prove intent. Well, the proving of intent 242 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: here on where Comer or Komy, Clapper and Brennan were 243 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 4: going with this stuff is increasingly evident, particularly against Brennan, 244 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 4: who you know, testified that he didn't use the Steele 245 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 4: dossier to write the intelligence, but then as other testimony 246 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 4: and other corroborating evidence that says he did. And so 247 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 4: it's it's still to be played out. Everybody's innocent until 248 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 4: proven guilty. But the these are the these are this 249 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 4: is why it continues to move forward. 250 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 3: And it's not behind us. 251 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: We've got more with Jason schaffit's but first we've got 252 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: to take a quick commercial break. So there's no doubt 253 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: in your mind that Obama knew exactly what was happening 254 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: and like basically spearheaded this whole thing. 255 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: Well, the evidence is now showing that he did know, 256 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 4: and that he was not just informed but an active 257 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 4: player and making some key decisions. 258 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 3: That that's pretty I just feel lied to by him. 259 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: You know, he always. 260 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 4: Tried to put himself up as all we're a scandal 261 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:36,239 Speaker 4: free administration. 262 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 3: Oh they weren't. 263 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: I mean I started by looking at the fast infurious 264 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 4: scandal we started. We dove into the IRS scandal. They 265 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: had their own set of other spying scandals with the 266 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 4: Associated Press, with James Rosen, Cheryl Atkinson still has some 267 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 4: stuff that's in the courts. I mean, it just goes 268 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,359 Speaker 4: on and on with the Obamas and and Clinton's. 269 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 3: It's just to see jess Obama was this. 270 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 4: Above it all, above the Fray scandal free? Now this 271 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 4: that he had the intelligence community go back and rewrite 272 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 4: history so that that Donald Trump would never catch wind 273 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 4: of it. I mean, good, just shoe leather work by 274 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 4: you know, the Tulsi Gabbards and John Ratcliffs of the 275 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 4: world to go find this, and now what Cash Betel 276 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 4: and Dan Bongino are finding. I mean that's just there's 277 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 4: still a lot more to come all these burn bags. 278 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot more coming well. 279 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: And the sad thing is like ruined lives and you know, 280 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: like Michael Rudo who used to work for President Trump. 281 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: You know he had liquidate his his children's college funds 282 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: just to pay for an attorney as he you know, 283 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: with subpoenat and how to testify and you know, how 284 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: to lawyer. 285 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: Up through all of that jail. 286 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 4: You know, it's just people went to jail. And look, 287 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 4: they almost pulled it off. 288 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 3: They almost. 289 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 4: Malign Donald Trump enough to manipulate an election and put 290 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 4: Hillary Clinton in there. We were that close to having 291 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 4: President Hillary Clint in place. I mean, you remember the 292 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 4: afternoon of the election, everybody thought she was going to win. 293 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 3: Well. 294 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: I think the only challenge in all this is that 295 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: there's so many moving parts and it's so it's kind 296 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: of like convoluted, and so I worry with the complexity 297 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 1: of it if that gets lost to the American people 298 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: and they're like, you know what, this is just too 299 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: much going on, you know, like well sort of thing. 300 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 4: One of the ones that it's culpable in saving democracy 301 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 4: is the national media, I mean, the intellectually. 302 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 3: Not interested. It doesn't go to their narratives. 303 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 4: How many people pulled off awards and Pulitzer prizes doing 304 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 4: all this work on this, I. 305 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:58,880 Speaker 3: Mean, did anybody apologize, do. 306 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 4: A retraction, provide, you know, turned their awards back in 307 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 4: or had their awards revoked from the Pulitzer Committee. 308 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 3: I mean none. 309 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 4: And that's what's sicking, sickening, because they were culpable when 310 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 4: Tulsi Gabbard stood up was it last week before the. 311 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 3: Or so? 312 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,199 Speaker 4: And she stood up in the White House podium and 313 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:25,439 Speaker 4: was making these allegations about Barack Obama. Several of the 314 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 4: people in the media there in the White House briefing 315 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,959 Speaker 4: room didn't even ask a question about that. 316 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,640 Speaker 3: They wanted to talk about a different topic. I mean, 317 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 3: that's just stunning, absolutely stunning. 318 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 4: If they had this information on anybody else, certainly Donald Trump, 319 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 4: they would be all over it. 320 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 3: But because it's. 321 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 4: Barack Obama, oh, haven't forbid we actually criticize him. 322 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: I guess, so what do you think is going to happen? 323 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: And I also I think it's sort of hilarious because 324 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: they were not hilarious, terrible, but you know, they went 325 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: after Carter Page, but then like he was working he 326 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 1: was a CIA asset or like spying on a guy 327 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 1: who was actually actively working with the United States against 328 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: the Russians. So it's like, you know, but and then 329 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: also yeah, yeah, go ahead. 330 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 3: Two things. 331 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 4: First of all, I hope America understands the opportunity cost 332 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 4: and the loss that is Peter struck Lisa Page. You know, 333 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 4: they had really pivotal counterintelligence rolls. So instead of actually 334 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 4: going after maybe I don't know, Chinese spies and the 335 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 4: Sineloa cartel and anybody else who's trying to dismantle the 336 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 4: United States, they spent time on this hoax. And that 337 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 4: how many thousands upon thousands of hours was spent perpetuating 338 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 4: a hoax. There's that in terms of accountability. You know, 339 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 4: people always said, oh, Jason, you do this and that, 340 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: but you never arrested anybody, never prosecuted anybody. I said, well, 341 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 4: you know in Congress they don't give you handcuffs, nor 342 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 4: should they. My job is I can expose it. And 343 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 4: to that degree, I think we did really well as 344 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 4: best we could. But we were lied to even though 345 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 4: these documents were under subpoena. And we have a system 346 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 4: in government where you should have to comply with them 347 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 4: and there should be consequences. If there's going to be 348 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 4: a consequence, my guess where there's the most vulnerability, particularly 349 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 4: for James Comy, but others as well, is this PISA warrant. 350 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: If you go to the court sign your name saying 351 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 4: it's verified, it's true. Hey, federal judge, I need to 352 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: be able to spy on this person, and then they do. 353 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 4: There has to be a consequence for lying to the court. 354 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 4: I think the Court under John Roberts, the Chief Justice 355 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 4: who oversees the phiz of Courts, has got to do something. 356 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 3: And I think that. 357 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 4: The I think that you're going to see the hopefully 358 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 4: the administration. 359 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: But the thing that might happen before either one. 360 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 4: Of those two do anything is that Congress when they 361 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 4: get back from the recess, either under Chairman Grassley or 362 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 4: Chairman Jordan, probably Grassly, he's going to have hearings and 363 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: we're going to call out Comy, Brennan, Clapper. All those 364 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 4: people will be called back up with this new information, 365 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 4: and then it'll be really interesting because the country will 366 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 4: be focused on single issues what did you do and 367 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 4: not do? And that's tough when you've lied at least 368 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 4: delegation previously to Congress. 369 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 3: That's going to be must ce TV. 370 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: I don't remember did Biden pardon any of those people? 371 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: That's a good question, Lisa, I don't remember. 372 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: I'll stop my head. 373 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 4: I think a lot of them thought that the Statue 374 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 4: of limitations it expired. But as John Ratcliffe and others 375 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 4: have explained, if you and Brett Tolman, great US attorney, 376 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 4: he's uh, he's explained, if you're perpetuating a conspiracy, then 377 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 4: you start anew on the five year statue of limitations. 378 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 4: So they bring them up before Congress, they start testifying. 379 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 4: That resets the clock again. So I think those guys 380 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 4: will come up before Congress and they'll all plead the 381 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: fifth That's that's what I'm afraid of. But I think 382 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 4: I think they have no choice. I think that's what 383 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: they're going to do. 384 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: They're going to plead the fifth. 385 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 2: Well. 386 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: And it's also you know, basically all that the Trump 387 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: administrations asking people to do is believe that people who 388 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: previously lied to them and previously CP's government did it 389 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: with Trump as well. 390 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: I mean, like Obama spied on. 391 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: Associated Press reporters, like Brennan spied on the Senate Intel Committee. Yeah, 392 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: and you know, his own party, like Diane Feinstein called 393 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: him out for it because he was spying on them 394 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: with the waterboarding investigations at the Senate Intel Committee that 395 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: they were conducting. So it's like and then Komy like 396 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 1: has already admitted that he leaked FBI documents that he 397 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: shouldn't have leaked to a professor buddy of his to 398 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: then get its right. It's like all these people have 399 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: already like you know, I've already admitted and we're already aware. 400 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: Who have you know, been as bad actors in the past. 401 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: But I guess, like what would the consequences be? Will 402 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: there be consequences? I think there's just this like general frustration. 403 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: I know I feel it myself as it's like we 404 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: find out that these people in DC, whether it be 405 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: members of Congress or what have you, do bad things 406 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: and then it just feels like there's never an accountability 407 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: and then people keep doing it again, you know, like 408 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 1: there's never been accountability for COVID and the lies where 409 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's like it just feels like it's like, 410 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, we call them out and then nothing happens. 411 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: So like, what could the consequences be? Do you think 412 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: there will be any consequences? 413 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 4: I'd like to say yes, I want to say absolutely, 414 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: but I think unfortunately the history that I have over 415 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 4: the last fifteen years sixteen years of this stuff is 416 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 4: the answers. No, it's sad, it's wrong. I mean, take 417 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 4: it away from this whole thing. Republicans, Democrats. Let's look 418 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 4: at Butler. You have a president of the United States, 419 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 4: a candidate for the presidency again gets and not even 420 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 4: a single person gets fired, not even one. Like they're 421 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 4: not It's just I'm so sick and tired of people being, 422 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: you know, doing something fundamentally wrong, either inept or just 423 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 4: totally abusing this system. There was a case a couple 424 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 4: of weeks ago where the Inspector General for the Federal 425 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,399 Speaker 4: for the Department of Justice had made a recommendation for 426 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 4: prosecution of an FBI agent who was overseas using prostitutes 427 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 4: on a regular basis and doing some other nefarious things 428 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 4: recommended for prosecution, and they. 429 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 3: Didn't do anything. They dismissed it. Like I can go 430 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,159 Speaker 3: at least, I swear to you. 431 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 4: I could sit here for twenty hours in this case 432 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 4: after case after case, and it's frustrating me. For you, 433 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 4: I think they're American people, people care about our country, 434 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 4: and I want them to be held accountable. 435 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 3: But I you know, I don't want to give up 436 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 3: on that, but it is terribly frustrating. 437 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: And then even like on the Epstein stuff, like I 438 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: don't think Trump behaved in a way he shouldn't have 439 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: with you know, young girls or what have you. But 440 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: it's also like, you know, they've kind of like over 441 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: promised and underdelivered, and it feels like they're not releasing 442 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 1: certain things and it's sort of just uh, you know, 443 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: I think that kind of raises more questions than just 444 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: putting it out there. 445 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 3: Well, I don't think that chapter is done yet. I mean, yeah, yeah, 446 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:33,919 Speaker 3: what are your what are your thoughts on? 447 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: Do you do you find it strange in the way 448 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: in the manner in which things have been released or 449 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: does that pretty much line up or you know, from 450 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: your perspective as the former chairman of Oversight committee, like, 451 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: I don't know what are your thoughts? 452 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 3: Look objectively? 453 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 4: The Department of Justice said case closed and then days 454 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 4: later that the Deputy Attorney General is down interviewing. 455 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 3: Delane Maxwell for two days. So I don't know what 456 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 3: comes that. 457 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 4: I knew that I believe it's August eleven, James Comer 458 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 4: is going to be conducting a hearing or a transcribed 459 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 4: interview at the jail in Florida. That's going to be whoa, 460 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 4: you know what she going to say? 461 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: I don't know. 462 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 4: I'm just saying that that one hasn't fully played out yet, 463 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 4: and I think there's an insatiable desire to hear a 464 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 4: lot more about it. 465 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 3: But this one is very newsworthy. Rate Now, when I 466 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 3: say this. 467 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 4: One, you know, Brennan Clapper comy Obama, Clinton all that, 468 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: it's just because there's new information and it's you know, 469 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 4: but it's the furtherance of something that has played out since. 470 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 3: Well back in twenty twelve. 471 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 4: Is really kind of where it started, and now it's 472 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 4: still playing itself out. And but you know, this is 473 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 4: so I told you how pessimistic I was, but I'm 474 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 4: also optimistic because truth does have a way of prevailing. 475 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 4: And somehow, some way, the American people figure this out 476 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 4: and there may not be somebody in handcuffs for twenty 477 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 4: years out in some goolog and you know that we 478 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 4: all hope for. But politically, Hillary Clinton didn't become the president. 479 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 4: People figured it out, not because of this scandal, but 480 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 4: because they just figured it out. And the American people, 481 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 4: I don't think, will reward people who are so nefarious 482 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 4: in their intent. It's just not the American way. And 483 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 4: they'll reward the people who are the adults in the 484 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 4: room and do the right thing, even though if their 485 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 4: reputation in others this costs the Trump family, I don't know, 486 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 4: hundreds of millions of dollars, and there's still people walking 487 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 4: around thinking that they're Russian assets. They put don They 488 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 4: put Donald Trump Junior on the cover of Time magazine 489 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 4: and it said caught red handed. He had like one 490 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 4: meeting for twenty minutes with somebody who never met before, 491 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 4: and they put them on the cover of Time magazine. 492 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 4: I think the people have figured out the national media, 493 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 4: that's for sure. 494 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: More with Jason on the other side of this break, 495 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 1: If you're enjoying the podcast, please post to social media, 496 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: send it to your friends. Appreciate when you guys do that. 497 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 2: Stay tuned before we go. 498 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: Is there anything like I've missed that you kind of 499 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: wanted to convey in all this? 500 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 4: There's one little side side note here that is really 501 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 4: personal to me, and I'm probably too close to it. 502 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 4: But back when Benghazi happened, I usued a letter of preservation. 503 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 4: The preservation letter requires you to comply with the Federal 504 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 4: Records Act, but it also you have to keep all 505 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 4: of your notes, your contemporaneous notes, thoughts, everything. Because we 506 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 4: had four n in Americans and we could never unearth 507 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 4: all of these documents. Well, that was the quote unquote 508 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 4: email scandal. And fast forward, we found out that Hillary 509 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 4: had her own email system, she didn't use the government won, 510 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 4: and that there was this highly classified information that was 511 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 4: traversing through her email system, which is basically the same 512 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 4: as getting an email system from Best Buy and setting 513 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 4: it up and out. And so there was a few 514 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 4: things that happened. We had the Select Committee on BEng Ghazi, 515 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 4: chaired by Trey Goudie, had things like John Radcliffe and 516 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 4: you know, some key people on there. But Jim Jordan 517 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 4: during that hearing asks Hillary. 518 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: Clinton when they interviewed her. 519 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 4: Under oath, was there any classified information on your computers? 520 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 4: And she said no, didn't send nor did I receive 521 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 4: any classified information. Fast forward to July of twenty sixteen. 522 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 4: I'm conducting the hearing. I'm the chair with James Comy 523 00:29:54,840 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 4: and Trey GOUDI asked Comy if any classified information was 524 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 4: found on Hillary Clinton's computer and he said yes. So 525 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 4: then I asked Comy, have you has Hillary Clinton ever lied? 526 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 4: And he said, cleverly, not to us, And I said, well, 527 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 4: what about In her answer to Jim Jordan's saying that 528 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 4: there was no classified information, and he said never looked 529 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 4: at it, to which I said, I'm paraphrasing, Well, I 530 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 4: didn't know you needed a permission slip. He said, yep, 531 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 4: sure do, And so I said, all right, we'll issue 532 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 4: a subpoena. All right, we'll issue this criminal referral like today. 533 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 4: It took a day or two to get it to him, 534 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 4: but we got it to him. I don't think they 535 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 4: did anything with that. I would love to know what 536 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 4: happened to that, And how come somebody can come lie 537 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 4: to Congress on a pivotal point like classified information and 538 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 4: have no consequence. 539 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 3: And why did he say one thing and then say, but. 540 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 4: We never prosecute her Again, I'm probably too close to that, 541 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 4: but that to me is one of the strings that's 542 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 4: still never been dealt with. 543 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, hopefully, I don't know if they'll 544 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 1: release any information on that or you. 545 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 4: Know, but did you lie to the court? Did you 546 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 4: sign your name testifying that it was verified? That gets 547 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 4: to be some really serious stuff, and hopefully if there's anything, 548 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 4: that'll probably be probably be the one where they actually 549 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 4: can prosecute somebody. 550 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: Jason Schaffit's he's got a new book, They're Coming for You, 551 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: How deep state spies, NGOs and will corporations plan to 552 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: push you out of the economy. We had them on 553 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 1: recently about it and it's pretty terrifying, so very interesting, 554 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: so if. 555 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: You want to go out and get it. 556 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: Jason Schaffitz, thanks for coming on the show. I really 557 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. My friend always thanks Lisa as Jason 558 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,959 Speaker 1: Schaffit's friend and colleague, also the author of the new 559 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: book They're Coming for You, How deep state spies, NGOs, 560 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: and work corporatedtions planning to push you out of the economy. 561 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: Appreciate him for taking the time to come on the show. 562 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: Appreciate you guys at home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, 563 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: but you can listen throughout the week. 564 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: Also want to think. 565 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: John Cassio and my producer for putting the show together. 566 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 2: Until next time.