1 00:00:08,245 --> 00:00:12,485 Speaker 1: School of Humans. Hello, this is a show where we 2 00:00:12,485 --> 00:00:16,005 Speaker 1: talk about death, dying, and dead bodies. It can get explicit, 3 00:00:16,245 --> 00:00:18,925 Speaker 1: so you've been warned. But if you've made it this far, 4 00:00:19,165 --> 00:00:36,325 Speaker 1: enjoy Cadavergawls. Good gals, gals, Hello, all of you cadaver babes. 5 00:00:36,405 --> 00:00:40,125 Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Cadaver Gauls where three friends 6 00:00:40,245 --> 00:00:43,325 Speaker 1: talk about death and dying and other random ash fit. 7 00:00:43,845 --> 00:00:54,925 Speaker 1: I'm Taylor, I'm Gabby and Nika, and this is today. 8 00:00:55,085 --> 00:00:57,725 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about a Joshua Tree vacation that 9 00:00:57,845 --> 00:01:01,685 Speaker 1: went wrong, the dangers of cluster ballooning, and the mystery 10 00:01:01,725 --> 00:01:12,605 Speaker 1: of a man who is missing for twenty seven years. Nika, 11 00:01:12,845 --> 00:01:15,005 Speaker 1: do you want to tell us about the desert and 12 00:01:15,205 --> 00:01:22,125 Speaker 1: how deserts can sometimes involve death? Yeah, you know, desert 13 00:01:22,165 --> 00:01:24,925 Speaker 1: and death is actually very common. So glad you brought 14 00:01:24,965 --> 00:01:29,605 Speaker 1: that up. Taylor. Yes, okay. So I was in Joshua 15 00:01:29,725 --> 00:01:32,045 Speaker 1: Tree I think two weeks ago now or it's been 16 00:01:32,085 --> 00:01:34,525 Speaker 1: a week two weeks, I don't know, And it was 17 00:01:34,605 --> 00:01:37,005 Speaker 1: my first time there. The desert actually really scared me. 18 00:01:37,285 --> 00:01:40,485 Speaker 1: It was amazing, it was beautiful. I was blown away 19 00:01:40,565 --> 00:01:43,525 Speaker 1: by it. But honestly, it's super quiet and it's eerie 20 00:01:43,965 --> 00:01:47,125 Speaker 1: and it's so static, like everything is so still, and 21 00:01:47,525 --> 00:01:49,605 Speaker 1: it freaked me out. And while we were driving there, 22 00:01:49,605 --> 00:01:53,005 Speaker 1: I had a panic attack driving at night because I 23 00:01:53,085 --> 00:01:55,245 Speaker 1: think I was tired and hungry and in a bad mood. 24 00:01:55,365 --> 00:01:58,365 Speaker 1: And then the desert was going and we were playing 25 00:01:58,405 --> 00:02:01,365 Speaker 1: like weird tracks where I'm like like from some random 26 00:02:01,405 --> 00:02:03,325 Speaker 1: movie and I was like, I need a Cardi B. 27 00:02:03,765 --> 00:02:05,205 Speaker 1: And so he played Cardi B the rest of the way. 28 00:02:05,565 --> 00:02:08,965 Speaker 1: But this isn't about me, so for listeners who don't know, 29 00:02:09,085 --> 00:02:13,285 Speaker 1: Joshua Tree is a National park in San Bernardino, California. Yeah, 30 00:02:13,325 --> 00:02:15,605 Speaker 1: I had to do the accent. It is around eight 31 00:02:15,725 --> 00:02:19,845 Speaker 1: hundred thousand acres of the Mohabi Desert in the Colorado Desert. 32 00:02:20,285 --> 00:02:23,445 Speaker 1: Something that shocked me about the desert is one how 33 00:02:23,565 --> 00:02:25,645 Speaker 1: big it was, and there's this like highway that runs 34 00:02:25,725 --> 00:02:29,205 Speaker 1: through it. And once you start hiking and you lose 35 00:02:29,285 --> 00:02:32,645 Speaker 1: sight of the road or your car, I realize how 36 00:02:32,725 --> 00:02:35,725 Speaker 1: easy it is to get lost. It's a kind of 37 00:02:35,805 --> 00:02:37,805 Speaker 1: like amaze in a way where once you get lost, 38 00:02:37,805 --> 00:02:41,405 Speaker 1: it's really hard to get out. And I when we 39 00:02:41,525 --> 00:02:44,285 Speaker 1: were hiking, we did the dumb ass thing and hiked 40 00:02:44,325 --> 00:02:46,645 Speaker 1: in like one hundred degree heat at like eleven AM, 41 00:02:47,365 --> 00:02:49,645 Speaker 1: and I at one point did get kind of panicked 42 00:02:49,685 --> 00:02:51,925 Speaker 1: and was like, are we going the right way despite 43 00:02:51,965 --> 00:02:55,525 Speaker 1: like not leaving the trail, like staying right on the directions, 44 00:02:55,525 --> 00:02:56,725 Speaker 1: and it was just a three mile hike, but I 45 00:02:56,725 --> 00:02:58,165 Speaker 1: still got a little bit panick. So when I came 46 00:02:58,205 --> 00:03:00,645 Speaker 1: back home and I was researching for this story, I 47 00:03:00,805 --> 00:03:02,805 Speaker 1: was like, let's see if people have died here. Of 48 00:03:02,925 --> 00:03:07,045 Speaker 1: course they have. Everyone does everywhere. People be dying all 49 00:03:07,085 --> 00:03:09,805 Speaker 1: over the place. They really do, they really do. So 50 00:03:10,205 --> 00:03:12,205 Speaker 1: my story is about these two young people. This is 51 00:03:12,245 --> 00:03:15,645 Speaker 1: a really sad story. Just FYI. They were in their twenties, 52 00:03:15,805 --> 00:03:20,005 Speaker 1: Rachel Union and Joseph Orbiso. They were from southern California, 53 00:03:20,205 --> 00:03:23,685 Speaker 1: and Rachel, according to her family, was super adventurous and 54 00:03:24,245 --> 00:03:26,365 Speaker 1: beautiful and bright, and she had just turned twenty and 55 00:03:26,445 --> 00:03:29,005 Speaker 1: she wanted to go hiking and Joshua Tree she had 56 00:03:29,045 --> 00:03:32,685 Speaker 1: previously gone before, both of them had, and so for 57 00:03:32,805 --> 00:03:35,845 Speaker 1: her birthday she was like, Hey, Joseph, let's go to 58 00:03:36,005 --> 00:03:38,245 Speaker 1: Joshua Tree and just like spend a day there hiking, 59 00:03:38,645 --> 00:03:41,005 Speaker 1: and that's what they had planned to do. So on 60 00:03:41,325 --> 00:03:43,405 Speaker 1: July twenty seventh, early in the morning they left their 61 00:03:43,485 --> 00:03:47,565 Speaker 1: rabbian Budico hiking. They were fully prepared with food, water, 62 00:03:47,845 --> 00:03:51,085 Speaker 1: and supplies, which, again, reading about their experience, I'm like, okay, 63 00:03:51,125 --> 00:03:53,365 Speaker 1: I was extremely underprepared and also did not take this 64 00:03:53,445 --> 00:03:55,765 Speaker 1: as seriously as I should have. Thank God, nothing happened, 65 00:03:55,805 --> 00:03:58,805 Speaker 1: but whatever. And Joseph actually ended up bringing a gun, 66 00:03:58,925 --> 00:04:01,645 Speaker 1: which according to his family, he worked in security and 67 00:04:01,845 --> 00:04:04,405 Speaker 1: so he owned a gun. He brought her around for protection. 68 00:04:04,845 --> 00:04:08,045 Speaker 1: There are a lot of wild animals in Joshua Tree. 69 00:04:08,125 --> 00:04:11,485 Speaker 1: We saw like a horned sheep while we were hiking, 70 00:04:11,685 --> 00:04:13,805 Speaker 1: and it can't get scary, like they're big and you know, 71 00:04:14,165 --> 00:04:16,725 Speaker 1: you never know, so I don't judge him a lot 72 00:04:16,845 --> 00:04:19,125 Speaker 1: necessarily on the gun, but it does come into play later. 73 00:04:19,565 --> 00:04:23,605 Speaker 1: Dun dun, dun. But also horned sheep. That's usually a 74 00:04:23,725 --> 00:04:27,805 Speaker 1: form that Satan takes. So you might have seen the 75 00:04:28,005 --> 00:04:31,445 Speaker 1: devil when you were out there in Joshua Tree. Stop. 76 00:04:31,525 --> 00:04:35,165 Speaker 1: He looks so cute. He was just eating. Yeah, the 77 00:04:35,285 --> 00:04:40,525 Speaker 1: devil snakes up horrible. The devil is cute anyway. So 78 00:04:41,485 --> 00:04:43,885 Speaker 1: they were only going to hike for the day, and 79 00:04:44,245 --> 00:04:46,325 Speaker 1: I know this because they were expecting to check out 80 00:04:46,485 --> 00:04:48,885 Speaker 1: the morning after. In their abnb, so they picked their car, 81 00:04:49,325 --> 00:04:51,365 Speaker 1: and the trail that they were using was a really 82 00:04:51,445 --> 00:04:53,405 Speaker 1: common trail that people hike all the time called the 83 00:04:53,485 --> 00:04:56,285 Speaker 1: Maze Loop. It's four point eight miles total, it's like 84 00:04:56,365 --> 00:05:00,085 Speaker 1: a circle essentially, and it's mostly level. And I looked 85 00:05:00,165 --> 00:05:02,645 Speaker 1: online and according to a lot of sources, it's a 86 00:05:02,805 --> 00:05:07,205 Speaker 1: very easy introductory hike, like obviously, don't ever hike when 87 00:05:07,205 --> 00:05:09,285 Speaker 1: the temperatures are super high, and just be careful and 88 00:05:09,325 --> 00:05:11,685 Speaker 1: take water. But they were prepared and it's not a 89 00:05:11,805 --> 00:05:16,165 Speaker 1: crazy hike. So they went on their hike and they 90 00:05:16,245 --> 00:05:18,765 Speaker 1: ended up never coming back to their rental car. They 91 00:05:18,805 --> 00:05:22,085 Speaker 1: were reported missing by the airbnb host after they missed 92 00:05:22,125 --> 00:05:25,125 Speaker 1: their checkout time the next day, and then park Services 93 00:05:25,285 --> 00:05:27,645 Speaker 1: they kind of put together a search team and for 94 00:05:27,725 --> 00:05:29,725 Speaker 1: a whole month there was a two hundred and fifty 95 00:05:29,805 --> 00:05:34,205 Speaker 1: person search team with canine units and drones and Taylor, 96 00:05:34,205 --> 00:05:36,805 Speaker 1: you're gonna love this horse units which are actually called 97 00:05:36,965 --> 00:05:41,405 Speaker 1: mounted search and rescue and yes, yeah, the horse. They 98 00:05:41,445 --> 00:05:44,565 Speaker 1: were put to work. Everyone was looking for them. Actually 99 00:05:44,725 --> 00:05:47,725 Speaker 1: ten people got injured while looking for them. And then 100 00:05:47,765 --> 00:05:49,685 Speaker 1: the Park Service was like, Okay, we've put a lot 101 00:05:49,725 --> 00:05:52,125 Speaker 1: of resources into this. For a month, we still haven't 102 00:05:52,165 --> 00:05:54,445 Speaker 1: found them. We need to like dial this down. But 103 00:05:54,805 --> 00:05:58,405 Speaker 1: Joseph's dad still kept looking for them, like on weekends 104 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:02,245 Speaker 1: or with volunteer search and rescue teams. Basically, it wasn't 105 00:06:02,365 --> 00:06:07,285 Speaker 1: until October that Joseph's died found them and they were 106 00:06:07,525 --> 00:06:10,965 Speaker 1: in a more secluded area of the park, actually pretty 107 00:06:11,085 --> 00:06:15,605 Speaker 1: near the trail, under a tree, embracing both with gunshot wounds, 108 00:06:16,045 --> 00:06:19,405 Speaker 1: and Rachel had a head injury, so her head was 109 00:06:19,445 --> 00:06:23,085 Speaker 1: wrapped in Joseph's T shirt. And they basically had run 110 00:06:23,125 --> 00:06:26,325 Speaker 1: out of water and they were rationing food and that's 111 00:06:26,325 --> 00:06:29,525 Speaker 1: how Joseph's dad found him. They were close to the trail. 112 00:06:29,685 --> 00:06:32,005 Speaker 1: How are they not found? I don't that's my okay. 113 00:06:32,125 --> 00:06:34,565 Speaker 1: That is so confusing to me. I don't know. They 114 00:06:34,685 --> 00:06:38,205 Speaker 1: were missing for three months, Like is that so weird? 115 00:06:38,405 --> 00:06:41,525 Speaker 1: Isn't it so crazy? And you know, I understand, like 116 00:06:42,285 --> 00:06:45,325 Speaker 1: it's a really confusing, disorienting place. I can get why 117 00:06:45,365 --> 00:06:48,725 Speaker 1: someone could panic and just not find where to go. 118 00:06:48,845 --> 00:06:50,925 Speaker 1: But I was looking at the trail and people say, 119 00:06:50,965 --> 00:06:53,885 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty clear marked and whatever isn't marked, there's 120 00:06:53,925 --> 00:06:56,405 Speaker 1: like trail markers that you can follow. I just can't 121 00:06:56,405 --> 00:07:00,405 Speaker 1: even imagine the kind of like one panic that these 122 00:07:00,445 --> 00:07:02,805 Speaker 1: people must have gone through once they realized they were lost, 123 00:07:03,245 --> 00:07:06,485 Speaker 1: and then too obviously, like the devastating of the dad 124 00:07:07,085 --> 00:07:11,205 Speaker 1: finding his son. Finally, it's a really really sad story 125 00:07:11,365 --> 00:07:15,365 Speaker 1: and weird too because it was gunshot wounds that you know, 126 00:07:15,605 --> 00:07:18,725 Speaker 1: was like the cause of death. So did they did 127 00:07:18,805 --> 00:07:22,045 Speaker 1: they both get shot in the head? Yeah? So yeah, 128 00:07:22,125 --> 00:07:25,725 Speaker 1: So detectives were called to the scene because it was 129 00:07:25,765 --> 00:07:28,925 Speaker 1: a gunshot wound obviously, and they didn't find any evidence 130 00:07:28,925 --> 00:07:32,365 Speaker 1: of foul play. They basically figured that it was a 131 00:07:32,445 --> 00:07:37,085 Speaker 1: mercy killing. So Joseph shot Rachel probably after she hit 132 00:07:37,165 --> 00:07:39,565 Speaker 1: her head and they realized that it was kind of hopeless, 133 00:07:39,805 --> 00:07:42,405 Speaker 1: and then shot himself and that's how they found them 134 00:07:42,525 --> 00:07:45,405 Speaker 1: with like the gun nearby. The gun was registered under 135 00:07:45,485 --> 00:07:48,925 Speaker 1: his name, And I mean, there's no you were never 136 00:07:49,005 --> 00:07:51,565 Speaker 1: gonna know the reason why this happened, obviously, but there's 137 00:07:51,605 --> 00:07:55,525 Speaker 1: no animosity between families. Like they believed that it was 138 00:07:55,685 --> 00:07:59,965 Speaker 1: kind of more of a quick death, and they ruled 139 00:07:59,965 --> 00:08:05,285 Speaker 1: it a murder suicide. Dang, that's intense. And they were hugging. Yeah, 140 00:08:05,605 --> 00:08:09,125 Speaker 1: they were found in racing. I know. It's really really 141 00:08:09,245 --> 00:08:12,605 Speaker 1: sad and everyone called them a couple, but they actually weren't. 142 00:08:12,645 --> 00:08:15,925 Speaker 1: They were just friends. Yeah, that's so sad. Thanks for 143 00:08:16,045 --> 00:08:20,245 Speaker 1: breaking us down. I'm like, no, I'm just horrified pcast 144 00:08:20,285 --> 00:08:24,565 Speaker 1: about dying. So it's pretty sad. Yeah. I just my 145 00:08:24,725 --> 00:08:28,165 Speaker 1: big thing is I don't know how a family friendly, 146 00:08:28,605 --> 00:08:32,445 Speaker 1: pretty clear trail turned into this where it was like 147 00:08:32,525 --> 00:08:36,365 Speaker 1: a missing person for three months. That is so weird. Yeah. Yeah, 148 00:08:36,485 --> 00:08:39,045 Speaker 1: Like I think the trail I did, which was too 149 00:08:39,085 --> 00:08:41,525 Speaker 1: an oasis and it was like rocky and you had 150 00:08:41,525 --> 00:08:45,245 Speaker 1: to like climb some mountains and stuff, was probably more 151 00:08:45,765 --> 00:08:48,805 Speaker 1: risky that at that point. And I'm just like looking 152 00:08:48,845 --> 00:08:51,645 Speaker 1: back and I'm like, oh my god, Like it's a 153 00:08:51,845 --> 00:08:54,885 Speaker 1: really scary. Like I did not realize, I think because 154 00:08:55,085 --> 00:08:57,165 Speaker 1: I have friends who gave me psychedelics who were like, 155 00:08:57,205 --> 00:09:00,005 Speaker 1: take these well in Joshua Tree, I was like, absolutely not, 156 00:09:00,365 --> 00:09:03,045 Speaker 1: Like I am not prepared to die. They were like, 157 00:09:03,125 --> 00:09:05,125 Speaker 1: but the stars. I was like, I'm not taking my 158 00:09:05,245 --> 00:09:08,365 Speaker 1: chance is absolutely not. Because I went and once I 159 00:09:08,485 --> 00:09:09,765 Speaker 1: was in the desert, I was like, oh no, this 160 00:09:09,925 --> 00:09:13,605 Speaker 1: is this is not something to play around with. Thank 161 00:09:13,645 --> 00:09:16,525 Speaker 1: you for that wonderful story, Nika. It's very sad, and 162 00:09:16,845 --> 00:09:20,525 Speaker 1: everybody be sure if you're going um, if you're going hiking, 163 00:09:20,765 --> 00:09:24,765 Speaker 1: bring a lot of water and supplies and try and 164 00:09:24,965 --> 00:09:33,405 Speaker 1: find your way back. Okay, we'll be right back. Welcome back. 165 00:09:33,485 --> 00:09:37,525 Speaker 1: You're listening to kid avergals. We just heard a story 166 00:09:38,005 --> 00:09:41,805 Speaker 1: from Nika who um recently went to joshua a tree. 167 00:09:41,885 --> 00:09:46,045 Speaker 1: She really brought us down by a death there. So 168 00:09:47,165 --> 00:09:51,285 Speaker 1: your chance, it's your chance to bring us down with balloons. 169 00:09:52,405 --> 00:09:56,285 Speaker 1: Balloons are generally perceived to be a positive and happy thing. 170 00:09:57,685 --> 00:10:00,165 Speaker 1: They go up, Yeah, gat me make us feel better. 171 00:10:00,485 --> 00:10:02,165 Speaker 1: So how are you going to bring us down with 172 00:10:02,245 --> 00:10:05,245 Speaker 1: this one? You know, Well, I'm gonna bring y'all down, 173 00:10:05,565 --> 00:10:08,365 Speaker 1: because that's exactly what happened to this bro. He was 174 00:10:08,485 --> 00:10:10,405 Speaker 1: up and the sky with some balloons and then he 175 00:10:10,725 --> 00:10:15,845 Speaker 1: came down into the ground, well technically the ocean. Oh no. 176 00:10:16,165 --> 00:10:19,205 Speaker 1: This is the story of Adelaire Antonio de Carli. He 177 00:10:19,365 --> 00:10:21,005 Speaker 1: was a priest and he was also known as the 178 00:10:21,085 --> 00:10:24,725 Speaker 1: father of balloons because one of his passions. One of 179 00:10:24,805 --> 00:10:28,485 Speaker 1: his pastimes was cluster ballooning. I guess I should be 180 00:10:28,565 --> 00:10:31,965 Speaker 1: specific that his hobby was skydiving, but he had recently 181 00:10:32,005 --> 00:10:34,925 Speaker 1: gotten into cluster ballooning, which is where you literally just 182 00:10:35,045 --> 00:10:39,085 Speaker 1: attach helium balloons to yourself or a harness or a 183 00:10:39,205 --> 00:10:42,645 Speaker 1: chair or whatever, and then you ascend into the sky 184 00:10:43,085 --> 00:10:46,605 Speaker 1: looking like a clown. Basically, how does one get into that? Like, 185 00:10:46,725 --> 00:10:50,645 Speaker 1: I just like imagine, you know, somebody's like drunk or something, 186 00:10:50,685 --> 00:10:53,005 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, let's we have this helium. Let's like 187 00:10:53,085 --> 00:10:54,965 Speaker 1: try and float away. But like, I don't imagine a 188 00:10:55,045 --> 00:10:57,645 Speaker 1: priest dingus, Like how does one get into I really 189 00:10:57,805 --> 00:11:01,605 Speaker 1: like the concept of priests getting into things, Like they're 190 00:11:01,725 --> 00:11:05,045 Speaker 1: not just hot priests, they have hobbies. That's really sweet. 191 00:11:05,525 --> 00:11:07,445 Speaker 1: So is cluster ballooning not with that old guy from 192 00:11:07,525 --> 00:11:11,085 Speaker 1: up did? Yes exactly, that is he is a cluster 193 00:11:11,205 --> 00:11:14,605 Speaker 1: balloonist as well, and his harness was his house, so 194 00:11:15,245 --> 00:11:17,525 Speaker 1: he probably had a lot of balloons, even like a 195 00:11:17,605 --> 00:11:20,525 Speaker 1: fictional amount of balloons. I don't know that was a documentary. 196 00:11:20,605 --> 00:11:23,085 Speaker 1: I think Up was a documentary for sure. Yeah it was. 197 00:11:23,205 --> 00:11:25,405 Speaker 1: That's why I was so sad at the start. Yeah, 198 00:11:25,485 --> 00:11:29,125 Speaker 1: this most sentimental documentary you've ever seen. People have been 199 00:11:29,125 --> 00:11:32,245 Speaker 1: clustered ballooning for a long time, and can you believe it? 200 00:11:32,325 --> 00:11:36,525 Speaker 1: It's mostly dudes and most of them weren't drunk. But 201 00:11:36,645 --> 00:11:38,325 Speaker 1: I mean with this priest. I don't know, maybe if 202 00:11:38,325 --> 00:11:40,085 Speaker 1: the first time he did it he was drunk, because 203 00:11:40,125 --> 00:11:42,165 Speaker 1: sometimes you can have too much blood of Christ and 204 00:11:42,245 --> 00:11:44,125 Speaker 1: just go, oh yeah, the Holy wine. You know, you 205 00:11:44,125 --> 00:11:46,365 Speaker 1: can get a little wild. But it's a thing. And 206 00:11:47,525 --> 00:11:50,325 Speaker 1: my favorite story is there's this guy who is in 207 00:11:50,405 --> 00:11:54,045 Speaker 1: the Los Angeles area. He was just basically chilling in 208 00:11:54,165 --> 00:11:58,005 Speaker 1: his yard in his lawn chair, and he had attached 209 00:11:59,165 --> 00:12:02,285 Speaker 1: forty helium balloons and he was like thinking like, Okay, 210 00:12:02,405 --> 00:12:04,725 Speaker 1: maybe I'll go up into the air a few hundred 211 00:12:04,805 --> 00:12:06,725 Speaker 1: feet and then I can start popping them and just 212 00:12:06,845 --> 00:12:09,965 Speaker 1: like safely land. But alas he actually got up to 213 00:12:10,125 --> 00:12:15,645 Speaker 1: sixteen thousand feet. Oh my god, that's high. Yeah, that's 214 00:12:15,685 --> 00:12:18,325 Speaker 1: kind of really high. That's no fuck right there. You're like, 215 00:12:18,365 --> 00:12:20,965 Speaker 1: I did something wrong with my life to end up 216 00:12:21,045 --> 00:12:24,525 Speaker 1: in this position. But then he eventually they started, once 217 00:12:24,565 --> 00:12:26,565 Speaker 1: it gets up pretty high, they start popping because of 218 00:12:26,645 --> 00:12:29,285 Speaker 1: the atmosphere. So he fell to the ground and he 219 00:12:29,485 --> 00:12:33,485 Speaker 1: landed in a bunch of power lines, but he was fine. 220 00:12:34,005 --> 00:12:36,205 Speaker 1: But then he was just fined thousands of dollars by 221 00:12:36,245 --> 00:12:41,285 Speaker 1: the Federal Aviation Agency because that's technically a flying device 222 00:12:41,365 --> 00:12:43,285 Speaker 1: that you need to register. So if you're going to 223 00:12:43,325 --> 00:12:47,005 Speaker 1: be a cluster balloonist, make sure you make sure you register. 224 00:12:47,405 --> 00:12:49,325 Speaker 1: Call up the FAA and be like, yo, I'm going 225 00:12:49,365 --> 00:12:51,445 Speaker 1: to do some cluster ballooning. And they'll be like, Okay, 226 00:12:51,525 --> 00:12:54,965 Speaker 1: don't run into any airplanes because that would be kept 227 00:12:55,085 --> 00:12:59,365 Speaker 1: being in an airplane. And just like you're like, yeah, 228 00:13:00,205 --> 00:13:02,605 Speaker 1: it was like what the hell? I imagine he had 229 00:13:02,605 --> 00:13:04,285 Speaker 1: a can of beer with him, though, I hope so 230 00:13:04,725 --> 00:13:09,005 Speaker 1: like bud light or something like I'm imagining, like, you know, 231 00:13:09,045 --> 00:13:11,085 Speaker 1: there's there's all kinds of lawn chairs, right, but I'm 232 00:13:11,365 --> 00:13:14,405 Speaker 1: I'm very specifically imagining like you know, the white ones 233 00:13:14,445 --> 00:13:16,045 Speaker 1: got like a little bit of rust. Oh yeah, you know, 234 00:13:16,485 --> 00:13:17,805 Speaker 1: and it's like white and then it has like the 235 00:13:17,965 --> 00:13:22,725 Speaker 1: blue like stitching and like woven with like the wide weave. Yeah, 236 00:13:23,205 --> 00:13:26,645 Speaker 1: balloons are expensive. I don't know why people are spending 237 00:13:26,725 --> 00:13:30,085 Speaker 1: money to choluster balloon. Well, I mean we all know 238 00:13:30,285 --> 00:13:32,845 Speaker 1: right now that there's a helium shortage, so that's true. 239 00:13:32,885 --> 00:13:35,805 Speaker 1: But this guy, he was, well, this lawn chair Larry 240 00:13:35,925 --> 00:13:38,485 Speaker 1: guy in the Los Angeles. This was in nineteen eighty two, 241 00:13:38,565 --> 00:13:41,045 Speaker 1: so I think helium might have been more readily available, 242 00:13:41,285 --> 00:13:43,765 Speaker 1: so it might have been a cheaper endeavor, you know, 243 00:13:44,005 --> 00:13:46,205 Speaker 1: for the millennials came in and started sucking all the 244 00:13:46,285 --> 00:13:49,405 Speaker 1: heliums exactly the millennials. You know, we're out of control. 245 00:13:49,805 --> 00:13:52,245 Speaker 1: I assume it was us millennials. Well, I might get 246 00:13:52,285 --> 00:13:53,965 Speaker 1: back to this man so we can honor him and 247 00:13:54,085 --> 00:13:56,405 Speaker 1: his death. So this is de Carle. He was a 248 00:13:56,485 --> 00:14:01,125 Speaker 1: priest and he was trying to base. He was trying 249 00:14:01,165 --> 00:14:04,205 Speaker 1: to raise money because he lived on the coast of Brazil, 250 00:14:04,605 --> 00:14:08,125 Speaker 1: and he wanted to raise money to make a basically 251 00:14:08,325 --> 00:14:10,565 Speaker 1: a truck stop that also had a chapel on it, 252 00:14:10,725 --> 00:14:14,605 Speaker 1: so a holy truck stop for saying Christopher, so that 253 00:14:14,725 --> 00:14:17,765 Speaker 1: all the truckers who are basically taking away goods from 254 00:14:17,805 --> 00:14:20,365 Speaker 1: the ports and driving them into the country could have 255 00:14:20,485 --> 00:14:23,165 Speaker 1: somewhere to get down and pray. So he was trying 256 00:14:23,205 --> 00:14:25,125 Speaker 1: to raise money for them. And then he was also 257 00:14:25,165 --> 00:14:27,485 Speaker 1: going to try to break a Guinness Book of World 258 00:14:27,605 --> 00:14:31,605 Speaker 1: Records by I believe he was trying to go the 259 00:14:31,805 --> 00:14:34,405 Speaker 1: longest you can go on a cluster balloon flight, not 260 00:14:34,565 --> 00:14:38,605 Speaker 1: necessarily the highest, but the longest. I mean, I guess 261 00:14:38,605 --> 00:14:41,125 Speaker 1: it depends on like the weight distribution. But I'm like, 262 00:14:41,565 --> 00:14:44,125 Speaker 1: did he do the math of like Okay, I need 263 00:14:44,365 --> 00:14:48,445 Speaker 1: X amount of balloons for my weight to get to 264 00:14:49,525 --> 00:14:53,325 Speaker 1: X height to then coast rather than you know, fly 265 00:14:53,405 --> 00:14:55,725 Speaker 1: out of control. And then you also have to take 266 00:14:55,765 --> 00:14:58,085 Speaker 1: into account like the wind. This is a lot of math. 267 00:14:58,365 --> 00:15:00,605 Speaker 1: There is a lot of math. I mean. The thing is, 268 00:15:00,645 --> 00:15:02,725 Speaker 1: he did a test flight before he did his flight 269 00:15:02,765 --> 00:15:05,085 Speaker 1: that was supposed to be the big money raiser run one, 270 00:15:05,525 --> 00:15:07,805 Speaker 1: and he ended up did not go in the direction 271 00:15:08,165 --> 00:15:10,685 Speaker 1: he was intending to, but ended up floating all the 272 00:15:10,725 --> 00:15:15,165 Speaker 1: way over to Argentina and then descended over there. He went, 273 00:15:15,325 --> 00:15:18,045 Speaker 1: he flew to another country. Yeah, you know, it's pretty, 274 00:15:18,165 --> 00:15:21,125 Speaker 1: it's there, it's nearby. We're in South America. There's countries 275 00:15:21,165 --> 00:15:24,925 Speaker 1: that are next to each other, I know, geography. But 276 00:15:25,485 --> 00:15:27,965 Speaker 1: he had done a test flight, had flown over there, 277 00:15:28,085 --> 00:15:29,845 Speaker 1: but he was trying to go four hundred and fifty 278 00:15:29,925 --> 00:15:34,845 Speaker 1: miles northwest still in Brazil. Four hundred and fifty miles. Yeah, 279 00:15:35,205 --> 00:15:37,885 Speaker 1: that was his intention. But then there's some bad things 280 00:15:38,005 --> 00:15:41,765 Speaker 1: kind of ended up happening. He oh, no, So the 281 00:15:42,125 --> 00:15:44,525 Speaker 1: day came, it was in April two thousand and eight 282 00:15:44,605 --> 00:15:46,365 Speaker 1: when he was going to do his flight, and there's 283 00:15:46,445 --> 00:15:47,965 Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of people gathered they were really 284 00:15:48,005 --> 00:15:51,525 Speaker 1: excited to see the balloon priest ascend into the sky 285 00:15:51,845 --> 00:15:54,645 Speaker 1: and do this marvelous thing. But the thing is like, 286 00:15:54,765 --> 00:15:57,165 Speaker 1: once he had taken off, he realized that his GP 287 00:15:57,365 --> 00:16:00,565 Speaker 1: he didn't know how to use his GPS system because 288 00:16:00,605 --> 00:16:04,445 Speaker 1: he had he had a new GPS system that he 289 00:16:04,525 --> 00:16:07,485 Speaker 1: wasn't familiar with. So that's, you know, one issue. When 290 00:16:07,525 --> 00:16:09,765 Speaker 1: you're in the sky, you don't exactly know which way 291 00:16:09,765 --> 00:16:11,565 Speaker 1: you're going because there's lots of ship going on. There's 292 00:16:11,645 --> 00:16:14,565 Speaker 1: lots of air and you know, wind and clouds and 293 00:16:15,045 --> 00:16:18,325 Speaker 1: weather ships up there in the sky, you know. So 294 00:16:18,525 --> 00:16:21,285 Speaker 1: that was kind of just like the desert. The sky 295 00:16:21,445 --> 00:16:25,365 Speaker 1: is also a very disorienting place exactly. It's very similar 296 00:16:25,405 --> 00:16:29,125 Speaker 1: to the desert. The sky. The sky is just the 297 00:16:29,365 --> 00:16:32,685 Speaker 1: northern desert. It's just the desert that's above you, you know. 298 00:16:33,445 --> 00:16:36,325 Speaker 1: So the problem was also that he once he ascended, 299 00:16:37,205 --> 00:16:39,325 Speaker 1: he ascended, I feel like we're we already have a 300 00:16:39,405 --> 00:16:41,485 Speaker 1: bunch of problems that are there's a lot of things 301 00:16:41,525 --> 00:16:43,805 Speaker 1: that are happening. He actually ended up getting up to 302 00:16:44,445 --> 00:16:49,685 Speaker 1: nineteen thousand, seven hundred feet, which is very high up, 303 00:16:49,885 --> 00:16:53,605 Speaker 1: very cold. He was wearing a cool outfit, you know, 304 00:16:53,805 --> 00:16:57,205 Speaker 1: lots of layers. He had some snacks, he had some water, 305 00:16:57,765 --> 00:17:01,125 Speaker 1: but it was cold as fuck. Comparatively, airplanes like doing 306 00:17:01,165 --> 00:17:04,245 Speaker 1: international flight scopes like thirty one thousand feet. So he 307 00:17:04,445 --> 00:17:07,005 Speaker 1: wasn't airplane high, but he was. He was, he was. 308 00:17:08,245 --> 00:17:10,005 Speaker 1: He was finna be there. He was. That was the 309 00:17:10,125 --> 00:17:12,925 Speaker 1: zone in which the airplane Wi fi is working, you 310 00:17:13,045 --> 00:17:16,605 Speaker 1: know atte where you can move about the cabin. Yeah, 311 00:17:16,645 --> 00:17:21,565 Speaker 1: he could move about the cabin. So here's Decarli. He's 312 00:17:21,605 --> 00:17:25,445 Speaker 1: going through the sky. He's like, oh fuck, this isn't 313 00:17:25,485 --> 00:17:28,525 Speaker 1: going exactly right. And so he was keeping in contact 314 00:17:28,805 --> 00:17:31,885 Speaker 1: with people on the ground. And the last time someone 315 00:17:32,005 --> 00:17:36,365 Speaker 1: heard from him, they think he was saying, shit, the 316 00:17:36,485 --> 00:17:40,245 Speaker 1: ocean's right there, I'm going the way, Oh my god. 317 00:17:40,285 --> 00:17:42,845 Speaker 1: Oh no, So did he he had like a walkie 318 00:17:42,885 --> 00:17:45,365 Speaker 1: talkie or something. Yeah, I think he was radio and 319 00:17:45,485 --> 00:17:47,205 Speaker 1: down there or not. Actually I think he had a 320 00:17:47,285 --> 00:17:50,165 Speaker 1: cell phone. So yeah, that's the thing about Brazil is 321 00:17:50,205 --> 00:17:53,085 Speaker 1: it's right next to the ocean. So here's one little 322 00:17:53,125 --> 00:17:55,685 Speaker 1: piece of advice that I've actually read on a cluster 323 00:17:55,805 --> 00:17:58,565 Speaker 1: ballooning website, because there are people who are very anal 324 00:17:58,605 --> 00:18:00,885 Speaker 1: retentive about how you should cluster balloon, which makes sense 325 00:18:00,885 --> 00:18:04,245 Speaker 1: because it seems very dangerous, but usually they suggest your 326 00:18:04,325 --> 00:18:08,365 Speaker 1: starting point to not be near an ocean, So just 327 00:18:09,005 --> 00:18:11,045 Speaker 1: food for thought for any of you people out there 328 00:18:11,165 --> 00:18:16,045 Speaker 1: trying to do this as a fun activity. So he disappeared, 329 00:18:16,085 --> 00:18:18,485 Speaker 1: they sent out search parties. They first went south, They 330 00:18:18,565 --> 00:18:21,725 Speaker 1: looked around. They went to this one small town and 331 00:18:22,965 --> 00:18:25,805 Speaker 1: the chief of firefighting who was helping with the search 332 00:18:25,845 --> 00:18:29,645 Speaker 1: and rescue, actually found some balloons that had washed up 333 00:18:29,685 --> 00:18:32,245 Speaker 1: on shore. And there are several other search parties that 334 00:18:32,325 --> 00:18:35,605 Speaker 1: had also seen balloons washed up on shore. But then 335 00:18:35,645 --> 00:18:37,605 Speaker 1: for a couple months, like they just couldn't They couldn't 336 00:18:37,645 --> 00:18:40,845 Speaker 1: find him. They couldn't find his body, they couldn't find 337 00:18:40,925 --> 00:18:43,845 Speaker 1: his harness, they couldn't find any other personal items except 338 00:18:43,885 --> 00:18:48,725 Speaker 1: for some of these balloons, until finally a couple months 339 00:18:48,805 --> 00:18:54,125 Speaker 1: later in July, remember he has taken off in April. 340 00:18:54,765 --> 00:18:57,885 Speaker 1: There was this oil barge that had gone out into 341 00:18:57,925 --> 00:19:01,445 Speaker 1: the ocean just doing whatever oil people do. They came 342 00:19:01,525 --> 00:19:08,325 Speaker 1: across a pair of legs oh oh no, which is 343 00:19:08,485 --> 00:19:10,205 Speaker 1: you know, that's a spooky thing to find out in 344 00:19:10,245 --> 00:19:14,005 Speaker 1: the middle of the ocean, and they pulled them out 345 00:19:14,685 --> 00:19:19,085 Speaker 1: and they eventually were able to id those legs as 346 00:19:19,205 --> 00:19:24,205 Speaker 1: de Carle, they never found his top half. I never 347 00:19:24,325 --> 00:19:28,165 Speaker 1: found an article that referenced finding his top half. The 348 00:19:28,245 --> 00:19:32,605 Speaker 1: cool thing about this, though, was he did technically get 349 00:19:32,685 --> 00:19:36,205 Speaker 1: a world record because he went up the highest anyone 350 00:19:36,285 --> 00:19:38,965 Speaker 1: had ever gone. But what I found was really rude 351 00:19:39,085 --> 00:19:42,525 Speaker 1: was that a month after he had been missing, some 352 00:19:42,725 --> 00:19:45,925 Speaker 1: other cluster balloonists was also trying to break again his 353 00:19:46,045 --> 00:19:48,845 Speaker 1: book of world records. And I was really upset to 354 00:19:48,965 --> 00:19:53,285 Speaker 1: think that the community of international cluster balloonists were not 355 00:19:53,805 --> 00:19:56,605 Speaker 1: sensitive enough to de Carle's disappearance to not try to 356 00:19:56,685 --> 00:20:00,525 Speaker 1: break a world record until they had found him. Okay, yeah, 357 00:20:00,685 --> 00:20:03,605 Speaker 1: like give it some time. Geez, I know, what is 358 00:20:03,685 --> 00:20:07,845 Speaker 1: the rush? That is so rude? It's very rude. What 359 00:20:07,965 --> 00:20:11,805 Speaker 1: you were describing, Gabby was just like horror movie vignetts, 360 00:20:11,845 --> 00:20:14,885 Speaker 1: like you have the balloon floating into the ocean, and 361 00:20:15,045 --> 00:20:17,725 Speaker 1: like washing up ashore, do you have the legs? Like 362 00:20:18,005 --> 00:20:20,845 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but that's literally terrifying. There should be 363 00:20:20,885 --> 00:20:23,125 Speaker 1: a horror talk about cluster balloonists and all of the 364 00:20:23,165 --> 00:20:26,325 Speaker 1: people that have died doing it. Well, here's the thing, though, 365 00:20:26,525 --> 00:20:29,885 Speaker 1: is this didn't obviously make people stop cluster ballooning. People 366 00:20:29,925 --> 00:20:33,925 Speaker 1: still be doing this, and as recently as a couple 367 00:20:33,965 --> 00:20:37,285 Speaker 1: of years ago, there are these dudes up in Canada 368 00:20:37,365 --> 00:20:41,045 Speaker 1: who are trying to cluster balloon and they were doing 369 00:20:41,125 --> 00:20:43,725 Speaker 1: it also without a permit, because you need a permit 370 00:20:43,885 --> 00:20:45,445 Speaker 1: to tell the people in the sky that you're going 371 00:20:45,485 --> 00:20:48,805 Speaker 1: to be up there. So once they came, they only 372 00:20:48,845 --> 00:20:50,645 Speaker 1: went up a few hundred feet, but once they came 373 00:20:50,765 --> 00:20:54,965 Speaker 1: down from there, they got arrested for the very Canadian charge. 374 00:20:55,125 --> 00:21:00,245 Speaker 1: They got arrested for mischief. I want to be arrested 375 00:21:00,285 --> 00:21:02,565 Speaker 1: from mischief? What do I have to do? I love Canada. 376 00:21:03,125 --> 00:21:08,205 Speaker 1: I don't think there is quite them quite the charge here. Yeah, 377 00:21:08,525 --> 00:21:11,045 Speaker 1: there's like you can get charged in Canada for mischief 378 00:21:11,125 --> 00:21:18,205 Speaker 1: and tomfoolery and shenanigans. Yeah, thank you for that. I 379 00:21:18,565 --> 00:21:21,485 Speaker 1: you know, one of my favorite takeaways is that you 380 00:21:21,605 --> 00:21:27,605 Speaker 1: can get um charged with mischief in Canada. And the 381 00:21:27,725 --> 00:21:29,445 Speaker 1: other takeaway for me is that if you're going to 382 00:21:29,485 --> 00:21:33,405 Speaker 1: go cluster ballooning is to please get a permit and 383 00:21:33,605 --> 00:21:38,285 Speaker 1: also know your GPS, how to use your GPS. Yeah, 384 00:21:38,325 --> 00:21:40,645 Speaker 1: and start in the middle, you know, go on, don't 385 00:21:40,685 --> 00:21:44,245 Speaker 1: start near a body of water. Yeah, go somewhere like 386 00:21:44,365 --> 00:21:49,645 Speaker 1: right in the middle, like Oklahoma, that's anyway, Taylor, you 387 00:21:49,765 --> 00:21:53,645 Speaker 1: got a chill ass story and we're like super ready 388 00:21:53,765 --> 00:21:58,245 Speaker 1: for it. So this is a story about Joseph Scheck 389 00:21:58,285 --> 00:22:00,525 Speaker 1: Snyder Jess. So you get to know a little bit 390 00:22:00,565 --> 00:22:04,165 Speaker 1: about Joseph. He was described by many people as a 391 00:22:04,285 --> 00:22:07,645 Speaker 1: nice young man. I was prone to running off, like 392 00:22:08,045 --> 00:22:09,685 Speaker 1: one of the one of the things that I found 393 00:22:09,725 --> 00:22:13,765 Speaker 1: really weird or straight. Yeah, you know, he was a 394 00:22:13,885 --> 00:22:15,725 Speaker 1: nice Everybody thought he was nice. Like a lot of 395 00:22:15,805 --> 00:22:17,925 Speaker 1: people met him because he was like all over the place. 396 00:22:18,685 --> 00:22:21,005 Speaker 1: And so because he was prone to running off his 397 00:22:21,085 --> 00:22:25,725 Speaker 1: friend running off, like how far off would he run? Okay, 398 00:22:25,885 --> 00:22:29,245 Speaker 1: So the first time he ran away, he was ten 399 00:22:29,325 --> 00:22:32,765 Speaker 1: years old. He dropped out of high school in ninth grade, 400 00:22:33,485 --> 00:22:37,205 Speaker 1: and he eventually joined the National Guard. He was discharged 401 00:22:37,245 --> 00:22:40,365 Speaker 1: on medical leave and he joined the circus even at 402 00:22:40,405 --> 00:22:43,885 Speaker 1: one point, of course, so he was prone to just 403 00:22:44,485 --> 00:22:46,885 Speaker 1: go somewhere. Just he'd just leave. That's just kind of 404 00:22:46,925 --> 00:22:50,045 Speaker 1: who he was. But like everyone described him as nice, 405 00:22:50,165 --> 00:22:53,485 Speaker 1: Like they don't there was nothing like really specific about him. 406 00:22:53,525 --> 00:22:55,565 Speaker 1: They were like he was really quiet, and like the 407 00:22:55,685 --> 00:22:58,365 Speaker 1: moral of the stories is that like he would go 408 00:22:58,725 --> 00:23:00,405 Speaker 1: he would just go places and kind of drop off 409 00:23:00,445 --> 00:23:02,165 Speaker 1: the face of the earth. So no one, there was 410 00:23:02,245 --> 00:23:04,565 Speaker 1: never really one person who always knew where he was. 411 00:23:04,685 --> 00:23:07,245 Speaker 1: He never really checked in with anyone. He had family 412 00:23:07,325 --> 00:23:09,365 Speaker 1: that loved him, but they didn't see him that much. 413 00:23:09,645 --> 00:23:12,085 Speaker 1: And January of nineteen eighty four was the last time 414 00:23:12,485 --> 00:23:15,645 Speaker 1: this family ever saw him. They were super worried about him, 415 00:23:15,685 --> 00:23:17,845 Speaker 1: but they also just didn't know if you know, he 416 00:23:17,965 --> 00:23:21,365 Speaker 1: was off with the circus or something again, and it 417 00:23:21,645 --> 00:23:23,645 Speaker 1: was They did find out that he was wanted for 418 00:23:23,765 --> 00:23:27,605 Speaker 1: possessing a stolen vehicle. So that's really when kind of 419 00:23:27,645 --> 00:23:30,685 Speaker 1: like he went missing, because you know he was he 420 00:23:30,725 --> 00:23:34,325 Speaker 1: didn't show up to court, and so that's really about 421 00:23:34,565 --> 00:23:38,285 Speaker 1: the time that they were like, Okay, dude's missing. We 422 00:23:38,365 --> 00:23:40,245 Speaker 1: have no idea where he is, but he's probably just 423 00:23:40,445 --> 00:23:42,765 Speaker 1: be a bopping around somewhere. We just can't find him. 424 00:23:43,365 --> 00:23:47,365 Speaker 1: So fast forward to May of two eleven, we're in 425 00:23:47,445 --> 00:23:50,765 Speaker 1: Louisiana and a bank begins to the renovations to add 426 00:23:50,965 --> 00:23:54,005 Speaker 1: on more offices. There was an upstairs and it had 427 00:23:54,005 --> 00:23:56,845 Speaker 1: a fireplace, so there's there's no need for a functioning 428 00:23:56,885 --> 00:23:59,165 Speaker 1: fireplace in a bank. Like all of your you don't 429 00:23:59,165 --> 00:24:01,485 Speaker 1: want your nobody wants their money going up in flames. 430 00:24:01,485 --> 00:24:04,325 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know. I would trust my bank 431 00:24:04,445 --> 00:24:06,205 Speaker 1: more if as I sit down to talk to my 432 00:24:06,285 --> 00:24:10,085 Speaker 1: banker there's like a crackling fireplace nearby, there's hot chocolate 433 00:24:10,165 --> 00:24:13,045 Speaker 1: being given to me, they say yes to my loan 434 00:24:13,125 --> 00:24:15,365 Speaker 1: for a horse for Taylor. Like I, that's the I 435 00:24:15,445 --> 00:24:17,365 Speaker 1: would trust a bank more if they had that. But 436 00:24:17,525 --> 00:24:22,085 Speaker 1: continue duly noted. Okay, So as they're tearing down the 437 00:24:22,125 --> 00:24:26,285 Speaker 1: fireplace and subsequently the chimney, the workers there saw some fabric, 438 00:24:26,365 --> 00:24:29,645 Speaker 1: so they like tugged on it to you know, unclogged 439 00:24:29,765 --> 00:24:33,525 Speaker 1: the chimney, and what comes down but the fabric which 440 00:24:33,605 --> 00:24:39,805 Speaker 1: turned out to be clothed and a skeleton. Oh yes. 441 00:24:40,525 --> 00:24:43,285 Speaker 1: So they did a DNA test which identified their remains 442 00:24:43,365 --> 00:24:47,325 Speaker 1: as poor Joseph scheck Snyder, and he was missing for 443 00:24:47,485 --> 00:24:52,085 Speaker 1: twenty seven years, was found in a chip. How did 444 00:24:52,205 --> 00:24:54,925 Speaker 1: he end up in this chimney? Okay, I knew. I 445 00:24:55,045 --> 00:24:59,725 Speaker 1: knew you were going to ask that, because naturally you 446 00:24:59,845 --> 00:25:04,085 Speaker 1: just know us so well, you know where we're going. Yeah, okay, 447 00:25:04,125 --> 00:25:09,045 Speaker 1: it's almost as if this podcast is about how people die. Yeah. So, okay, 448 00:25:09,645 --> 00:25:13,165 Speaker 1: So the remains with the remains. It appeared that he 449 00:25:13,245 --> 00:25:16,925 Speaker 1: was wearing a yellow longsleeve shirt, jeans, and Bully tennis 450 00:25:16,925 --> 00:25:20,205 Speaker 1: shoes and this is this is kind of like my 451 00:25:20,285 --> 00:25:24,485 Speaker 1: favorite detail jockey shorts with his name printed on the waistband, 452 00:25:24,965 --> 00:25:27,645 Speaker 1: which I just think is really Nope, does do people 453 00:25:27,725 --> 00:25:30,285 Speaker 1: still do that? I don't know. That's very primary school 454 00:25:30,325 --> 00:25:33,245 Speaker 1: of him. So there was also they also found with 455 00:25:33,445 --> 00:25:37,925 Speaker 1: him a magazine gloves, and they found his wallet which 456 00:25:37,925 --> 00:25:40,845 Speaker 1: had a copy of his birth certificate, social Security card, 457 00:25:40,965 --> 00:25:44,125 Speaker 1: and some pictures. So there appeared to be no evidence 458 00:25:44,165 --> 00:25:46,845 Speaker 1: of trauma on the bones, so they ruled out foul 459 00:25:46,885 --> 00:25:49,845 Speaker 1: play pretty quickly. And then it was also suggested that 460 00:25:49,925 --> 00:25:52,205 Speaker 1: like maybe he was there to rob a bank, but 461 00:25:52,285 --> 00:25:54,125 Speaker 1: like he didn't have a bag or like a satchel 462 00:25:54,325 --> 00:25:57,245 Speaker 1: or anything, so if he was going to rob them, 463 00:25:57,405 --> 00:25:59,605 Speaker 1: like it's not like he was going to get money 464 00:25:59,725 --> 00:26:02,005 Speaker 1: put it in a bag like, you know, So that 465 00:26:02,085 --> 00:26:04,925 Speaker 1: didn't seem like that was a plan that was going 466 00:26:05,005 --> 00:26:08,965 Speaker 1: to go down either. This is giving me Santa Claus vibes. 467 00:26:09,765 --> 00:26:11,405 Speaker 1: I have a Santa joke in here. Actually it's not 468 00:26:11,485 --> 00:26:18,485 Speaker 1: a joke, Nica, I'm sorry, No, I'm sorry, say your 469 00:26:18,565 --> 00:26:21,965 Speaker 1: jokes joke okay, no, no, um, So I think honestly, 470 00:26:22,005 --> 00:26:24,405 Speaker 1: it just seems likely that he climbed in. Maybe he's 471 00:26:24,445 --> 00:26:26,725 Speaker 1: like a place to stay. I don't know it got stuck, 472 00:26:29,645 --> 00:26:33,765 Speaker 1: do it? Do it? No? No, I mean it's not. Oh, 473 00:26:34,485 --> 00:26:37,485 Speaker 1: I don't think I can get through it. Okay, So okay, 474 00:26:37,805 --> 00:26:39,685 Speaker 1: So I think he just like got stuck chimneys like 475 00:26:39,765 --> 00:26:42,085 Speaker 1: kind of like tapering towards the bottom. So I imagine 476 00:26:42,285 --> 00:26:44,925 Speaker 1: he like just got stuck. And I guess he didn't 477 00:26:44,925 --> 00:26:53,405 Speaker 1: have Santa powers. That's great, that's a great joke. Well, 478 00:26:53,485 --> 00:26:56,405 Speaker 1: Santa probably doesn't have any bones. If you think about 479 00:26:56,445 --> 00:26:58,365 Speaker 1: how he gets in and out of a chimney, you know, 480 00:26:58,445 --> 00:27:00,445 Speaker 1: how does he doe? He just he's boneless. He's just 481 00:27:00,525 --> 00:27:06,645 Speaker 1: some he's magical thing. He looks like a busting gabby. 482 00:27:06,845 --> 00:27:10,005 Speaker 1: That's gross. I would I just pictured bear chicken like 483 00:27:10,085 --> 00:27:18,125 Speaker 1: a bear chicken breast like that's Santa. Slap him, slap chicken, Jana. 484 00:27:18,765 --> 00:27:22,165 Speaker 1: I have always known that Santa wasn't real always what 485 00:27:22,365 --> 00:27:27,405 Speaker 1: I grew up, ye ship growing up in Colombia, they 486 00:27:27,445 --> 00:27:30,725 Speaker 1: don't teach you about Santa. They teach you about baby Jesus. 487 00:27:31,005 --> 00:27:34,485 Speaker 1: So instead of teaching us about an old, fat white 488 00:27:34,565 --> 00:27:38,805 Speaker 1: man climbing into our homes. They tell us that infant 489 00:27:38,925 --> 00:27:43,365 Speaker 1: Jesus climbs into our home, it gives us all of 490 00:27:43,445 --> 00:27:46,525 Speaker 1: our presents and then leaves. We don't know how he 491 00:27:46,645 --> 00:27:49,045 Speaker 1: gets there. We don't know how he goes. What a 492 00:27:49,165 --> 00:27:53,685 Speaker 1: capable infant? Yeah, yeah, that's that's what I grew up with. So, 493 00:27:53,885 --> 00:27:56,045 Speaker 1: like I would be in the playground and then I'd 494 00:27:56,085 --> 00:27:58,125 Speaker 1: be like, Santa isn't real, and they'd be like, well, 495 00:27:58,245 --> 00:28:03,125 Speaker 1: neither is Jesus. And I'd be like, what, wait, would 496 00:28:03,165 --> 00:28:05,685 Speaker 1: you rather have a creepy fat man in your house 497 00:28:05,805 --> 00:28:10,685 Speaker 1: or a random ass baby? Oh? The question? I hate that, 498 00:28:14,365 --> 00:28:18,205 Speaker 1: but no, because random babies mean usually possession, And yeah, 499 00:28:18,325 --> 00:28:20,085 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't. I don't mess with that. Like 500 00:28:20,165 --> 00:28:24,365 Speaker 1: if you accidentally stole a baby verse of being home invaded, 501 00:28:24,525 --> 00:28:26,645 Speaker 1: would you rather accidentally have stolen a baby or have 502 00:28:26,765 --> 00:28:30,325 Speaker 1: your home invaded while you're there? Okay, that's okay, I'm 503 00:28:30,405 --> 00:28:33,725 Speaker 1: at possession as in like spiritual possession. I'm I'm stealing 504 00:28:33,765 --> 00:28:42,245 Speaker 1: a baby. I draw the line at spirits. Okay, definitely 505 00:28:43,005 --> 00:28:47,045 Speaker 1: different if you are either like would you rather have 506 00:28:47,165 --> 00:28:55,645 Speaker 1: a possessed baby or accidentally possessed a baby. That's good. Okay, well, okay, 507 00:28:55,685 --> 00:28:58,525 Speaker 1: so assuming he didn't get stuck, this probably happened pretty 508 00:28:58,605 --> 00:29:01,725 Speaker 1: quickly and died like you can only live so many 509 00:29:01,805 --> 00:29:06,125 Speaker 1: days without food and water. Um, and so employees who 510 00:29:06,205 --> 00:29:08,245 Speaker 1: were working there at the time, they never really reported 511 00:29:08,245 --> 00:29:11,605 Speaker 1: any signs of screaming or anything. And unfortunately the way 512 00:29:11,725 --> 00:29:15,605 Speaker 1: chimneys weren't because they shoot up into the sky, you know, 513 00:29:15,845 --> 00:29:20,125 Speaker 1: towards our balloon cluster balloonists. So unless there was a 514 00:29:20,165 --> 00:29:23,005 Speaker 1: cluster balloonist going on, you know, nobody could hear him 515 00:29:23,205 --> 00:29:25,365 Speaker 1: because it was away from where people are on the land, 516 00:29:25,525 --> 00:29:29,085 Speaker 1: you know. So, damn, that sounds a terrible way to die. 517 00:29:29,525 --> 00:29:32,365 Speaker 1: He just so he just wasted away. Yeah, he found 518 00:29:32,445 --> 00:29:38,045 Speaker 1: himself in a very tight spot, you know, so he 519 00:29:38,245 --> 00:29:42,405 Speaker 1: literally just wasted away in that. I'm sorry I missed 520 00:29:42,405 --> 00:29:45,605 Speaker 1: that joke. Did you just say tight spot? Yeah, Taylor, 521 00:29:45,685 --> 00:29:48,325 Speaker 1: that is insane. That is actually a really funny joke. 522 00:29:48,445 --> 00:29:50,925 Speaker 1: And I couldn't and I didn't like I registered it 523 00:29:51,005 --> 00:29:53,965 Speaker 1: too late in my brain. Wait, so did his family 524 00:29:54,045 --> 00:29:58,005 Speaker 1: recognize his clothes or something? No, they did a DNA test. 525 00:29:58,445 --> 00:30:01,485 Speaker 1: I mean he also had I mean that's how they 526 00:30:01,485 --> 00:30:03,645 Speaker 1: figured out who he was is because of DNA, but 527 00:30:03,765 --> 00:30:07,205 Speaker 1: he also did have is underwear with his name in it, 528 00:30:08,005 --> 00:30:11,805 Speaker 1: his birth certificate and so's a security card and presumably 529 00:30:11,885 --> 00:30:15,165 Speaker 1: like some sort of license as well. I'm going to 530 00:30:15,245 --> 00:30:18,445 Speaker 1: need everyone to start stitching their name in their underwear 531 00:30:19,005 --> 00:30:22,125 Speaker 1: just in case. What's the resolution with the chimney? So 532 00:30:22,205 --> 00:30:25,405 Speaker 1: they discovered it was him and then so basically they 533 00:30:25,525 --> 00:30:28,885 Speaker 1: just at this point, they like the family was like, okay, 534 00:30:29,045 --> 00:30:32,165 Speaker 1: there's you know, there's he kind of did his own thing. Anyway, 535 00:30:32,765 --> 00:30:34,485 Speaker 1: they've kind of come to peace with the fact that 536 00:30:34,565 --> 00:30:36,885 Speaker 1: they're never really going to know what happened, but they 537 00:30:37,405 --> 00:30:40,885 Speaker 1: have been able to bury his remains, which everybody is 538 00:30:41,005 --> 00:30:44,525 Speaker 1: very you know, has closure with that. So the family 539 00:30:45,085 --> 00:30:50,605 Speaker 1: misses him, but you know, it happens. Good for them. 540 00:30:50,965 --> 00:30:58,685 Speaker 1: It does happen. Yes, this specifically happens sometimes all the time. 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