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Speaker 2: Hi, what's up. I'm your host, Katie Wu. Welcome back,

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Speaker 2: indeed to Cardinal Territory. I am fresh off the NLCS,

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Speaker 2: in which I saw probably the greatest thing ever Shoho Tani.

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Speaker 2: Three homers, six shutty, ten punch outs to clinch the

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Speaker 2: National League pennant was absurd, even for Otani standards. And look,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure Cardinals fans have some maybe a little Dodger's fatigue.

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Speaker 2: I think that's probably actually true for all twenty nine

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Speaker 2: just a fan of the game, that performance from Shoho

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Speaker 2: Tani in Game four was absurd.

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Speaker 1: I don't really think I still have the words for it.

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Speaker 2: I just am so thankful to have been there in

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Speaker 2: the stadium for what is arguably, I actually don't really

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Speaker 2: think it's an argument probably the greatest postseason performance we

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Speaker 1: I mean, just insane.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, very thankful to have been a small part of

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Speaker 2: the coverage there for the athletic But let's get back

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Speaker 2: to reality.

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Speaker 1: Not much going on.

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Speaker 2: In Cardinals land here as we sit in the middle

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Speaker 2: of October, which is to be accepted. But we'll do

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Speaker 2: a quick recap as to where things currently stand anyway,

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Speaker 2: starting with number four. Not a lot of traction on

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Speaker 2: the bring Yachty or Molina front back to Saint Louis.

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Speaker 2: In case you missed it, Yachti announced earlier in the

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Speaker 2: week via Instagram stories that he is opened to MLB

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Speaker 2: managerial and coaching jobs. This comes perhaps a little earlier

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Speaker 1: When we last talked to Yachty.

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Speaker 2: In Saint Louis, he was thinking maybe another year or

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Speaker 2: so before he'd be ready. But you know who here

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Speaker 2: hasn't changed their mind, so he has said that he's ready.

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Speaker 2: He's opened to any jobs they don't necessarily have to

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Speaker 2: be in Saint Louis. Yes, as we talked about on

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Speaker 2: preliminary conversations about Yachti potentially keyword potentially joining the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: right now. The Cardinals are still finalizing their Major League

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Speaker 2: coaching staff under manager Ali Marmal, but I personally would

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Speaker 2: I think the Cardinals are well equipped to run it

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Speaker 1: Hein Bloom has said that.

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Speaker 2: that's something there. Other than that, though, I haven't heard

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Speaker 2: too much about any real coaching changes that could change again.

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Speaker 2: But as we sit here in middle of October, just

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Speaker 2: three weeks removed from the season, I wouldn't expect a

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Speaker 2: huge turnover in the coaching department, at least at the

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Speaker 2: major league level. Speaking to managers, however, a lot of

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Speaker 2: manager news this week, maybe not necessarily correlating with the

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Speaker 2: Cardinals themselves, but with several people with significant ties to

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Speaker 1: So let's break all.

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Speaker 2: The Mic Schiltz stuff down, the albatpool stuff down right

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Speaker 2: into our DraftKings segment. Let's just do that now, all right,

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Speaker 2: for the second consecutive week. This is our Draft Kings

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Speaker 2: person or people spotlight, not players, will be highlighting some

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Speaker 2: prominent names here in Major League Baseball.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with number five.

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Speaker 2: Albert Poohles is still the front runner for the Angels

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Speaker 2: in this manager carousel around Major League Baseball, but reported

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Speaker 2: interest with other teams has started. As we reported in

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Speaker 2: the Athletic. A couple of weeks ago, Albert did meet

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Speaker 2: with Angels GM Perry Minus in in Clayton right here,

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Speaker 2: right before his foundation held an event in Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: This is maybe about a week two weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: Poohles remains Angels owner already Morino's top choice, but other candidates,

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Speaker 2: including former MLB veteran Tory Hunter, They're still in consideration.

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Speaker 2: The two other teams that have emerged and have been

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Speaker 2: Cardinal's former manager Mike Shilt, elected to retire this week,

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Speaker 2: a very surprising decision, to say the least. San Diego

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Speaker 2: Of the philosophical differences leading to his dismissal as the

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Speaker 2: covering this was Mike Shult's decision. He made the decision

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Speaker 2: the term used, was retired from this job, has no

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Speaker 1: But Cardinals fans don't really care about that.

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Speaker 2: What you guys care about is probably the big story

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Speaker 2: that was out in the San Diego Union Tribune by

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Speaker 2: I had one season working with Shildt as the manager

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Speaker 2: are things about the Cardinals organization that we know, just

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Speaker 2: whether we're fans, whether media, whether we work in it.

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Speaker 1: The same as.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals, sometimes to a fault, are a very loyal organization.

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Speaker 2: They consistently promote internally, they promote within, they really respect

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Speaker 2: when John Mozaellack fired Mike Shilt citing philosophical differences. And

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that the Padres organization is not loyal,

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Speaker 2: always that John Mozellack saying philosophical differences was his way

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Speaker 2: of protection for Mike Shilt, out of protection for myself.

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Speaker 2: Say what do you want about Mo? And yes, Cardinals fans,

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Speaker 1: Don't worry.

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Speaker 2: He was very, very loyal and very dedicated to upholding

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Speaker 2: Why details very limited details about why Mike Shult was

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Speaker 1: Mike Shilt had responded.

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Speaker 2: If you have not read the article about his departure

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Speaker 1: He responded to all the allegations.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that they're not true.

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Speaker 2: It was just, you know, here's what happened in San Diego,

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Speaker 1: All the things you guys already know did not help.

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Speaker 2: I think the segue between shilt and Marvel, and I

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Speaker 2: But I still think the Cardinals organization tried to handle

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Speaker 1: So that's my take on it. All right.

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Speaker 2: Another Saint Louis and native has emerged as a top

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Speaker 1: Buster Posey out there. So we'll see a lot of

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Speaker 2: But not necessarily for the Saint Louis Cardinals spot, because

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Speaker 1: Okay, so on.

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Speaker 2: For Friday, I believe we had a quick update from

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Speaker 1: This was the plan. He disclosed it at the end

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Speaker 2: It's just free up some roster flexibility. It didn't do

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Speaker 1: He spent most of the second half injured with the groin.

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Speaker 2: He had surgery on both of his heels to shave

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Speaker 2: too early to be talking about roster changes here in

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Speaker 1: As we know, the Cardinals have so many.

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Speaker 2: both Donovan and Newbar will be free agents. Then would

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Speaker 1: Newbar in trade discussions.

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Speaker 1: I would not expect Von Herrera to be in those conversations.

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Speaker 1: Hold on.

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Speaker 2: Game seven of the World Series if needed, will be

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Speaker 2: October thirty first, Happy Halloween to you all, and then

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Speaker 2: the GM Meetings, the unofficial starting point of the off

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Speaker 2: so we will have a better understanding on what that

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Speaker 2: So that's my very early prediction, just based on what

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Speaker 1: Expect trade circulation.

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Speaker 2: Around Donovan and new bar maybe some Burlison, maybe some Gorman,

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Speaker 1: I'll again be helping out with the athletics coverage there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll again have one episode next week, and

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Speaker 1: It will be right into the off season.

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Speaker 2: So I know these episodes definitely have a lot of

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Speaker 2: forty man roster overhaul, so stay tuned for that. We'll

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Speaker 2: be back next week one more episode with Bernie hopefully,

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys for watching. Talk Later,