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I'm Joe, joined this week as 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.920 always by Devon and Steve, and we're here to solve 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.800 another cool mystery. Uh. This is one that's been doubled 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.039 the world for almost three decades now. It's made me 0:01:33.080 --> 0:01:35.479 look like an idiot. Yeah. No, I've tried to break 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.800 this mystery. That no, luck, not me. I try to 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:43.319 admit my ignorance and things like better. Yeah I didn't 0:01:43.319 --> 0:01:46.120 even try. Yeah no, no, that's so that's okay. By 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:47.680 the end of the episode, we will have solved it, 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.720 so don't worry about that. Uh. This has been around 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:53.080 for twenty six and a half years right now, and 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:56.400 it holds supposedly that maybe possibly a secret to a 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.800 hidden treasure. Well, we really don't know, or maybe something 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.520 or something or maybe nothing. Yeah, maybe maybe just a 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:05.560 note or something like that. I don't know. We'll find 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.799 out at the end. Uh. Yeah. So first of all, 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:10.560 let me say what we're talking about here. We're talking 0:02:10.600 --> 0:02:13.840 about none other than cryptos. And you probably heard about that. 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:18.040 That's a sculpture at the CIA in Langley, Virginia. Yeah, cryptos. 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:19.960 And you think if you haven't heard about it, what 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:21.920 you've heard about it now? And also a little shout 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.000 out to a few of our listeners. Actually several us 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.560 suggested this, I think Rhona and Sean, Linda, Alex And 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.120 that's how far we got before we started saying and 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.600 then everybody. Yeah yeah, so thanks guys, we really appreciate 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.400 the suggestion. Um And I, for my part, I've been 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.480 doing a little too much murder in Mayhem lately, so 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:41.320 I thought I'd take a break and do something different, 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.120 and next time I'll go back to some grizzly murders. 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:48.760 But yeah, let's do cryptography. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, let's 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.120 go back to the beginning. In the late nineteen eighties, 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.680 the brass of the CIA decided the agency was missing 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.760 something like, you know, operational security or maybe better better intel, 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.040 or employees who weren't rushing moles. Oh no, no, that 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:05.960 wasn't it. Now. They didn't have any publicly funded art installations, 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.720 and so they commissioned one, and they hired a sculptor 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.240 named Jim Sandboard to create this sculpture. And and actually 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:15.960 we actually I think the government in this case got 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:20.480 pretty good Bangford's buck. Oh yeah, desolutely, yeah, better than 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.240 d I A for sure. Yeah, definitely. That's just a rock. 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.079 Yeah yeah, that's that one downtown outside Pioneer Place, which 0:03:28.120 --> 0:03:30.280 is several rocks in a row. It's like, well, well, 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:32.960 how do I get that job? Yeah, you'll give music 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:37.360 Monday is the Huns, I will give us sculpture. He 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:39.760 just did an accent. That wasn't German, no is the 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:44.800 French was a German French anyway, soologies to our French 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.200 listeners and German listeners. Yeah. Well, at the time this 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.200 was commissioned, this is towards the end of the Cold War, 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:52.600 though we didn't really know it at the time, the 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.320 Berlin Wall was still standing, and as far as any 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:57.800 of us knew, because I was alive back then, we 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.440 all thought it was going to stay standing for a 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:02.000 lot long. We all figured it would come down sooner 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.200 or later. But when it came down, it was kind 0:04:04.200 --> 0:04:06.160 of it was kind of a surprise for all of us, 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:09.320 It really was. It was all of a sudden. Uh So, 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:11.440 something commissioned today by the CIA might be a little 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:14.000 more cynical. If it were me, I would create a giant, 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:16.440 shifty looking bronze mole with a file folder in his 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.720 mouth that Yeah, and they probably would like show me 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.640 the door. Yeah, they'd look at your concept and you'd 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:25.560 go into a deep dark room and bottom it never 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:28.240 come out. Yeah, go to our waiting room. Yeah, stay 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.600 there for about five years. But Jim Simbord created something 0:04:31.600 --> 0:04:35.040 more serious. Uh. And like I said, he the public 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:37.080 got good bank for its buck with this one. And 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:40.560 it's kept a lot of cryptography nerds busy, and a 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:42.520 lot of people were still racking their brains over it. 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.880 And I mean a lot of people, some very smart people, 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.000 and of course journalists have managed to get lots of 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.320 good news stories out of it over the years. So 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:52.239 it's been a win all the way around, I think. Uh. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.640 And it's still unsolved, or at least part of it is. 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.880 So can you I mean, I know what cryptos looks like. 0:04:58.640 --> 0:05:01.400 You know, we all in this room, but I think 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:04.040 a lot of people probably don't. So Yeah, if you're 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:05.680 not near a browser and you can't do you know, 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:12.000 bring yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're driving, just close 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:20.120 your eyes and try to bring this. Don't and left 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:24.040 to Joe, but don't close your eyes, Okay, all right? Yeah. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.120 If if there's no rest area nearby, I keep your 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.840 eyes open. Uh so let me describe it here. If 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.920 you're standing on most of the pictures that are are 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.839 taken from one side of it, and that's a side 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.200 where you can look at the writing and it's correct. 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.800 It's a bunch of yeah, it's a bunch of ye, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.880 and so that and that. When you're looking at it 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:43.600 from that side. There is a large petrified log standing 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:47.240 upright on the sand on one end, on the right side, 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.400 tall something like that. It's pretty good size. Yeah, nice, nice, 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:53.560 nice log. I wouldn't mind having that log. Yeah. And 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.520 then there's a tall copper plate that sort of scrolls 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:58.360 out like a sheet of paper as if it were 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:00.920 like like a scroll. And I want to point out 0:06:00.920 --> 0:06:05.080 it's real copper. So it's actually green now exactly. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:07.880 so everybody knows. Yeah, so yeah, I don't don't. Don't 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:11.080 go to Google and look at the picture say no, 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:14.080 it is really copper. But and it scrolls out like 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.160 so if you're standing to this side, it scrolls away 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.080 from you, and then it goes in a semicircle back 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.120 towards you, and then it curves the way around the 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.640 other way, so it scrolls around and away from you again. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:28.880 On the one side facing towards you, it's just marble like, 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.200 it's just like a marble marble ground there. And on 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:34.240 the other side of it, of the semi circle loop whatever, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.359 there's a little round pool in the arc of the 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:42.560 S shape that the comprehend. Yeah, the tail in the bottom. Yeah, 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.839 so that's that actually is kind of like the other 0:06:44.920 --> 0:06:47.440 end of the scroll that that it's wrapping around. If 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.520 you can't imagine that. And uh, and it was obvious 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:51.880 to me the first time I looked at it that 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:56.200 the symbol the symbolism it symbolizes, I think, the division 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.880 of our world into smoking and non smoking areas because 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:01.960 and really, when you think about it, it it makes sense 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:05.240 because when you're standing on the right side, which is 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:06.839 a part that doesn't have the pool in it, you 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.840 can actually stand inside the sculpture. But if you go 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.480 on the other side, the smoking side, you can't stand inside. 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.679 You have to stand outside, just like smokers do. Yeah. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.560 And and the little the little pool in the center 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:22.080 makes a great place to show your butts. Yeah, it's 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:27.040 not what it's intended for. I like it. Um, yeah, 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:29.720 let's let's get back to our more description. Um, there 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:34.080 are letters cut into this copper sheet about seventeen hunters 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:37.920 or sold letters. Yeah, and they're they're actually, like some 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:39.680 people said, stamped out. I don't know if they were 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.520 cut out with a torch or stamped or what, but 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:43.840 they go all the way through, so they're not just 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.600 they were probably knowing the time that it was made, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.600 it was probably done with like a water jet or 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.280 something like that, where some kind of computer controlled device 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:54.400 to be able to cut them with the precision that 0:07:54.440 --> 0:08:01.280 they're done. Yeah, and today would probably be a laser yeah, leasure. Yeah, Yeah, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:09.000 you're mispronouncing that word, Joe, I'm sorry. Okay, of course 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.160 you can find drawings of the text part of the 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:14.600 sculpture online, and i'll describe that real briefly. It's shaped 0:08:14.640 --> 0:08:17.840 like a rectangle, which is divided into four smaller rectangles. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:23.120 The two right rectangles show the English alphabet that's repeated 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.960 over and over again with the word cryptos inserted into 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.360 the text, which is a big hint because actually it 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:31.800 turns out to be one of the keys for the 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:35.000 encryption cipher of the first two messages, and because this 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.000 whole thing is one giant cipher. We haven't said that, 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:43.400 you know, the whole, the whole sculpture is well, yeah, 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:47.040 the left half is the message and the right half 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:49.680 is the key, Okay, so that Yeah, the two rectangles 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.959 on the left hand side the top Okay, So the 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.920 top half or either the upper left hand rectangle isn't 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.080 cut it with what's called the visionary at cipher, which 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.600 is named after a French cryptographer called Blows the vision are. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:07.080 He was a sixteenth century dude, and actually he apparently 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.440 did not invent this this method. It was invented by 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:13.840 some guy named what was his name was giovam Batista Beloso, 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.679 who invented also the sixteenth century and then and then 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.280 vision are modified at several decades later and then sooner 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.800 or centuries after that. It was misattributed to him, but 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:27.840 actually he didn't really invent the concept. Yeah, I kind 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:31.360 of like that. Yeah, but we don't care. It's it's 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.120 called there. Yeah uh. And here's a quick give me 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.599 a real quick down rundown of how it works. And 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.720 now everybody knows what a Caesar cipher is, right, you 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:45.080 don't know what the season sisor shift okay, Okay, Yeah, 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:48.439 Caesar shift is one where it's the the easiest and 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.800 dumbest cipher out there, one where you basically pick a key. 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.040 The key might be safe. Let's say your keys one 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:56.240 if you're if I were to say, and you're gonna 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.640 shift everything over one, and of course if you can't, 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:00.600 so you shift everything over three and the alphabet. But 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:03.280 let's say it's one. So I'm a cryptane say devon, 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:07.160 So devin d e V I am becomes e f 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:12.400 W j oh right, okay, that's it. Well see, and 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.480 so but those are ridiculously easy to break. And so 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.160 the vision Air cipher is in the simplest form, like 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.000 a like a Caesar shift. But you pick a key, 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:25.520 pick up, let's pick a word like say bacon, and 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:28.120 then we make that our key. And so we shift 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:31.040 the first character by two because you know b s 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:33.439 two and the next one is A, so we shift 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.080 the next one by by one. The next one is cee, 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.600 so we shift the next one after that by by three, 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.719 which is first ce and on and on, and then 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.800 we started over again, shifting from to one three blah blah, 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:47.560 and then shift over two one three, and but of 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.520 course again that leaves a big pattern and then but 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:53.120 that's in the simplest form that's a vision air cipher 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.400 and that what they did here is there's a little 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:58.080 craftier one. This is one where to do this one. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:00.320 Here's what you do. You sit down and right down 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.080 the whole alphabet A through Z. And in this one 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.199 you used the word cryptos for the for the first 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.920 key for the top key. So write the word cryptos 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.880 to the left of your alphabet, and then go through 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.199 your alphabet and take out every letter that's in the 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.800 word cryptos, so starting with K. So you'll notice that 0:11:15.840 --> 0:11:17.800 if you go through the alphabet, those letters are missing. 0:11:18.040 --> 0:11:21.200 And then so that's it cryptos a trough zy missing 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.360 those letters. What you do is you're going to repeat 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.640 this alphabet underneath that as many times is the length 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.400 of your key. So the first key, the first part 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:32.319 of the message used the key palump cest which is 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.640 ten characters, so ten rows. But what you do is 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.040 the first row starts at P, so that's how they're 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.320 all shifted around, so palump sest P. So it starts 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.280 with the P and cryptos and goes all the way 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.880 through and at the end k r y from cryptos 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:49.839 is adented to the end of it. The next one 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.640 is A, so it just starts right A day and 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:55.920 then cryptos. Next one is L, so it starts L 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:58.680 through Z and then it says cryptos and then A 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.480 through J. I'm going to ask a question that I 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:03.120 think I know the answer to, but I want to 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.640 make sure. So you said the key to this is cryptos, 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.600 but Palin pal obsessed is the second key. Oh so 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.760 it's a two key cipher. Yeah, okay, that's the part 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.760 you didn't say. And I was making sure that I 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.720 wasn't missing, okay, And so essentially what you do is 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:22.040 is let's say I want to encrypt. Uh, we don't 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.720 want to crypt Devin. That's too many letters crypt Joe. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.320 I like that one. So yeah, So just so the 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.040 first the first line, and this one Jay is in 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.920 and then you get you cat. You go, you go 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.719 to the top line, You pick out your letters, and 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.880 then go down. So the first one it is the 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:43.800 first line, j U. Second letter OH is the second line, 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:45.599 So I go to OH, and that goes down to 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.920 the second row, which is F. And then and this 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.800 is going to be incomprehensible to you people who are 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.400 just listening. And then I go over to the E 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:55.400 and I go down to the third line and that 0:12:55.679 --> 0:12:58.679 is why. So that is how. So that is how 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.200 my name is encrypted. And then yeah, and then what 0:13:01.240 --> 0:13:03.079 I do is when I when I want to decrypt 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:06.800 the message, I come back through and this since this 0:13:06.880 --> 0:13:09.760 is a and I know that since I'm decrypting it 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.240 and I'm not a cryptographer, I'm actually the intended recipient. 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.880 I know the two keys. That's the beauty of the 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.400 system is that, since you know, it's easy to remember 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.480 two words. And so the guy that's that gets this message, 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.679 he doesn't have to carry a codebook around him. He 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.080 can just he can just sit down and write the 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.400 whole thing out because he knows those keys. And then 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:32.440 when he's done deciphering the message, he can just burn 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.200 He could just burn his key that he has created. 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:38.640 So for everybody listening, I know that this can be 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.720 kind of tough to to understand. There's a great book 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.239 out there, and Joe help me with this book. Yes, 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:48.480 is that the Is that the actual title of it. Yeah, 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:50.560 it's called the Codebook, and I can't remember who wrote it. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.440 We've talked about it about three years ago when we 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.559 did the last Cipher episode. It is The Codebook is 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.920 a great book to at least go through. He does 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:03.520 a much better job of making this kind of stuff 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:06.400 palatable to the layment. And that would be a book 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.160 i'd recommend to to look through. Yeah, that's it. Really 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:11.520 is kind of hard to make this totally understandable when 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:13.680 you because it's a very visual thing. I mean, I've 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.840 got I've got this table right in front of me, 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:17.720 and it's very easy for me. You guys would have 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.680 it too, iron I was gonna say, I have it 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:22.680 in front of me, and I do not understand it 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.800 at all. But the good news is I don't try 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:27.920 to decide from just like yeah, now and and but 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.040 here's the here's the beauty part of it. So now 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:34.400 with my name as encrypted, here is is n f Y, 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.760 righte n f Y. So I go back and I 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:39.760 do my name, do my name, and I go to 0:14:39.760 --> 0:14:42.600 the first line, and I go over to the N, 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.480 and then I go to the and then that's not 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.080 the first line, but the first line. The top line 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.120 is to the decryption line, so would actually be the 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.040 second line, but it's the first keyed line. So and 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:52.960 I have a confused yet, you bet I have that. 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:54.840 I go over to the N and then I go 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:57.120 up to the top line and there's a J. Then 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:58.800 I go down for the second letter. I go down 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:00.760 to the second line down here, and I go to 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.400 the F and I go up to the top line. 0:15:03.440 --> 0:15:05.640 Who says oh? And then I go down to the 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:09.920 third line and I go over to why and go 0:15:10.000 --> 0:15:11.720 up to the first line, and there it is an E. 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.760 And so I know my message says Joe. So that's how. 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:16.800 I don't know. I don't know why he bothers to 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.080 put things in code to us when he writes emails, 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:20.720 because I know that if I spend the time to 0:15:20.760 --> 0:15:23.920 decode it, it just says Joe is awesome, over and 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:28.880 over and over. That's all different kinds of ciphers. Yeah, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.560 so that's how the first the first that ciphers, the 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:40.160 first cipher that and there were how how do we 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:41.960 know that? How do we know that that's what it is? 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.920 Actually because people some people broke the cipher the first one. Yeah, 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.440 they did. And I said there were two there were two, Um, 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.640 there were two messages and so two different ciphers. I 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:55.160 mean they were both visionaire ciphers but with different keys, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:57.640 and so that whole part of it. And then uh, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:15:59.760 and then it gets a little trickier when you get 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.880 to as the second rectangled down the lower left and 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.600 but the top part of the message as two matches, 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.320 And I said, the first one that says between subtletiating 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:11.560 and the absence of light led us a nuance of inclusion. 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.560 And there were intentional, apparently misspellings in the text. So 0:16:16.680 --> 0:16:22.160 if I questioned how intentional that agrees, it's always it's 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.600 always entirely based on things that we discovered later on. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:29.000 I think in the third one, or maybe it's the 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:33.000 second one, but I really feel like maybe that wasn't intentional. Well, 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.440 there was there was at least one intentional boob or 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.120 unintentional boo boo that was in there that caused the 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.520 second part of the text to be misinterpreted, which is 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.560 why I questioned his statement of all I did that 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.080 on purpose. Yeah, I know you would hope that you 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:50.960 wouldn't have typos and something that a very expensive thing carving, 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.160 so you would hope you wouldn't screw up. I think 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:56.040 it's possibly did. He said that he intentionally misspelled a 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:59.400 couple of words, and also that he left a letter 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.720 or two. See, uh, this is too soon to talk 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:07.000 about this yea, let's keep talking about the cipher. Yeah, okay, 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.399 Well the second one, which the key for that one was, 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.879 by the way, abscissa, which is one of those obscure 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.800 little words, the first element of an ordered pair, now, 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.120 you know, like for example, palamp sess. The palap cessed 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:23.560 is supposedly hinted at by the shape of the of 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.359 the sculpture itself. It's shaped like a scroll. And a 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:30.119 palap cessed is that which has been recorded over or 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:34.240 written over. And so the earliest scrolls, because writing materials 0:17:34.240 --> 0:17:36.960 were kind of scarce back in the day, often the 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.480 scroll that was no longer used for much of anything 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:41.800 would be scraped off without the characters would be scraped 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:43.480 off of it, and then people could write over it again. 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.320 And that's what a palamp cessed is. So, so the 0:17:47.359 --> 0:17:50.680 palap cessed, you know, in its earliest form, was a scroll. 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.360 And so apparently so that's the whole thing is like, well, 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:56.879 don't you see the hint there, the big hint, you know, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.600 it's a scroll. Therefore palap cessed. You know, for me, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.760 it was like yeah, right, I mean I can see 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.400 it now in retrospective course, But how somebody was expected 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.000 to guess set you know before decoding it? Well, you know, 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:09.760 for Christ's sakes, give me a break. Yeah. Yeah, there's 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:11.640 a lot of a lot of little hints like this 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.200 at least and supposedly people say that the word epsissa 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:19.000 the second key was hinted at in the first message. Well, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:20.840 I'm not seeing that, and I've read that. He go 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.000 to the first message and I'm not seeing it in there. 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.320 But whatever, I mean. These people must be a lot 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.720 smarter than me. I guess let's look at this second message. 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:32.080 Here's what it is. Uh says it was totally invisible. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.159 How is that possible? They use the Earth's magnetic field. 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.920 The information was gathered and transmitted underground, underground misspelled to 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.399 an unload the land on location. Does Langley know about this? 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:46.600 They should, It's buried out there somewhere. Who knows the 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.640 exact location only WW. By the way, this w W 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.920 is William Webster. He was at the time director of 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:56.640 the CIA at the time. This was his last message, 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.480 and hear the message gives some coordinates. Uh. What's turned 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:01.280 out to map to a spot about a hundred and 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.800 fifty feet southeast of the sculpture. And then then it's 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.040 followed at that point by two more words, which are 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:10.440 layer two and nobody knows what the significance of layer 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.560 two is yet maybe it'll all become clear someday. And 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.280 so yeah, it's it's unfortunately we need decode the messages. 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:19.720 They're they're really they're really not all that helpful. A 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.240 little leg yeah, a little yeah. Uh. And then we 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.960 go to the lower rectangle and there's uh, I think 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:30.639 eight hundred sixty six characters. No, and they're something like that. No, 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:33.600 actually eight hundred sixty six is the entire left hand sculpture, 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.639 so about half of that, about four thirty three right 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.560 in there. Yeah, these, at least the first part, about 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:43.000 the first maybe three quarters of them was encrypted with 0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:47.600 a totally different system. It was something called Calindar transposition. 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:52.119 This is mind boggling, Yeah, especially how somebody could figure 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:54.399 it out and decrypt it. Well, yeah, it really is. 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:56.639 It took me a little while to actually understand this, 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.240 and I actually it was eventually able to figure it out. 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:04.119 But it's tricky, and so imagine this. So if you 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.240 if you want to ENCRYPTO message, you take your text, 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:10.120 take all the punch of interests and spaces out, put 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:12.080 it in a word documents, so it's at least three 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.960 or four lines, and you want to use a font 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:19.960 like Courier exactly nothing that with proportional spacing, you want 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.680 every character to occupy the same amount of space, right, uh. 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:25.600 And then you print it onto a sheet of paper, 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.520 and then you cut the text. You cut the text 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.880 out into columns, so you've got like say four lines. 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.879