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Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't know stories of things. We simply

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Speaker 1: don't know the answer too. Hi there, welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of Thinking Sideways. I'm Joe, joined this week as

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Speaker 1: always by Devon and Steve, and we're here to solve

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Speaker 1: another cool mystery. Uh. This is one that's been doubled

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Speaker 1: the world for almost three decades now. It's made me

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Speaker 1: look like an idiot. Yeah. No, I've tried to break

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Speaker 1: this mystery. That no, luck, not me. I try to

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Speaker 1: admit my ignorance and things like better. Yeah I didn't

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Speaker 1: even try. Yeah no, no, that's so that's okay. By

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Speaker 1: the end of the episode, we will have solved it,

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Speaker 1: so don't worry about that. Uh. This has been around

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Speaker 1: it holds supposedly that maybe possibly a secret to a

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Speaker 1: hidden treasure. Well, we really don't know, or maybe something

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Speaker 1: out at the end. Uh. Yeah. So first of all,

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Speaker 1: about none other than cryptos. And you probably heard about that.

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Speaker 1: And you think if you haven't heard about it, what

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Speaker 1: you've heard about it now? And also a little shout

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Speaker 1: out to a few of our listeners. Actually several us

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Speaker 1: suggested this, I think Rhona and Sean, Linda, Alex And

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Speaker 1: then everybody. Yeah yeah, so thanks guys, we really appreciate

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Speaker 1: the suggestion. Um And I, for my part, I've been

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Speaker 1: and next time I'll go back to some grizzly murders.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, let's do cryptography. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well, let's

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Speaker 1: go back to the beginning. In the late nineteen eighties,

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Speaker 1: the brass of the CIA decided the agency was missing

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Speaker 1: something like, you know, operational security or maybe better better intel,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it. Now. They didn't have any publicly funded art installations,

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Speaker 1: and so they commissioned one, and they hired a sculptor

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Speaker 1: they're done. Yeah, and today would probably be a laser yeah, leasure. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: at the end of all that, then cut it somewhere

425
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 1: in the middle. And in this particular case, this text

426
00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 1: actually ended with a question mark, and when it was

427
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 1: done rearranging everything, the question mark was about halfway through

428
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 1: a little more than halfway, so that's where they cut it.

429
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 1: So this question mark wound up at the end of

430
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: the encrypted text. Again. Uh so they cut it right

431
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,440
Speaker 1: after the question mark, and they swap the front and

432
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 1: the back house and there you have it. That's your

433
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: that's your encrypted texts. So I see the look on

434
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: Devon's face. Simpler terms, you take a can of alphabet soup,

435
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: you pour it on the ground, and you read it.

436
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: That's that's that's about it out. Yeah, yeah, So the

437
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: contrast between the two systems is in the first half,

438
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 1: the letters are all in the right place, but they

439
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: don't mean the same thing. It's the wrong letter, right,

440
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: you gotta and whereas in this case none of the

441
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: letters have actually been encrypted, they've just been rearranged and

442
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 1: so and so the letters are all in clear text.

443
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 1: But good luck figuring it out technically. And yeah, technically,

444
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: well can I I This might be a dumb question,

445
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 1: but here we are. Who made these cliphers? Did the

446
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: artists make the clipher? No? Actually, he got, he got.

447
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,640
Speaker 1: There was a guy who's the chief of the cryptography

448
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,120
Speaker 1: department at the at the time. He made them. Yeah, well,

449
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 1: essentially he and the artist sat down. I think that

450
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: Jim sandboord to create these riddles because and then and

451
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: then encrypt them, and so there was a collaborative project

452
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: between the two of them, is how do we how

453
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: do we encrypt these things? I was thinking, this is

454
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,479
Speaker 1: a kind of big undertaking for somebody who's an artist.

455
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: I mean, not that artists can be smart, but yeah, well,

456
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: you know, you never know. Sometimes people have hobbies to

457
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: There are people out there who do one thing and

458
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: cryptography as their hobby. So you know, but but he

459
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: had a little help with this. Um. So what did

460
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: that that cipher end up being did? Was it broken? Yeah?

461
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: This one was broken? Um. And and again this is

462
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: up to characters number up characters seven out of a

463
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: sixty six. So, and this is what's called K one

464
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 1: two K three. So the first two messages are in

465
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: the top left rectangle, and then about three quarters at

466
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 1: the bottom left are K three. That's and then below

467
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: that is what's called K four. That's what hasn't been

468
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: broken yet. Okay, but what did K three say? Yeah,

469
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: this last one, and nobody knows why quite yet, But

470
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: it was taken from the diary of Howard Carter, who

471
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: is an archaeologist who opened King Tut's tomb in and

472
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: so he had this thing where he described, you know,

473
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: the opening of the tomb. So here it is as

474
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: deciphered by various people slowly, desperately, slowly, the remains of

475
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: passage debris that encumbered the lower part of the doorway

476
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 1: he was removed with trembling hands. I made a tiny

477
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: breech in the upper left hand corner, and then widening

478
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 1: the whole little inserted the candle and peered in the

479
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: hot air escaping from the chamber cousts the flame to flickr,

480
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: but presently details of the room within emerged from the

481
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: midst X can you see anything? Q, question mark, some

482
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: little random characters thrown in there for some strange reason.

483
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: Well he doesn't he You will see in the translations

484
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: of this text in random places there are x is

485
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 1: in the text, and those appeared to be used as periods. Uh,

486
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: sort of they sort of breaks the sort of mark

487
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: breaks between sentences, but they're not consistently used. You're right,

488
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,199
Speaker 1: And I was wondering what the heck was going on

489
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: with that one. Yeah, well a lot of people have

490
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,719
Speaker 1: wondered about that too. I mean, I mean again, as

491
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: we rely on Sandborn to tell us the truth. And

492
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: you know, if he if, like you said, he's screwed

493
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: up and he doesn't want to admit it, well, you know,

494
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 1: hopefully he'd be truthful enough and honest enough, because he

495
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 1: actually did make one air that he's admitted to, and

496
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 1: he claims the rest were deliberate. I guess part of

497
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: me thinks that maybe he doesn't actually know, if he's

498
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: not the one who actually I mean, you know, he

499
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: worked in conjunction with somebody to create the cipher, but

500
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: he did. It's totally possible that that person was like,

501
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 1: all right, this says what you wanted it to say,

502
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: and he doesn't know. Well, yeah, I think what happened

503
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: is he was required Sandber was required to actually give

504
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: them the contents of the messages along with the encryption

505
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: techniques that he use. So I think what happened is

506
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: he got trained up. They picked out a few really

507
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: good cipher techniques, and then he got trained up in it,

508
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 1: and then he up to the messages himself, and then

509
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: he had to handles over the CIA because essentially what

510
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: they wanted to do is they wanted to know that

511
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 1: he wasn't putting something in there, kind of like you knows,

512
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of jerks. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean,

513
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: and so you know, they wanted to know what the

514
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: contents were so they wouldn't be embarrassed like he did.

515
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: He did all of this as far as I know,

516
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: He did the encryption himself. So um, And so what

517
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what other people have wanted this too, is

518
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 1: that given these strange little glitches, weird the weird things

519
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: with the X is moving characters around and stuff. If

520
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 1: perhaps there isn't another cipher within that. So I was

521
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: going to say, yeah, the cycerd message might itself contain

522
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: some other cipher and ciphered message. And I presume that people,

523
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: since you know, Kate four isn't solved yet, I presume

524
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: that people have tried to get some kind of cipher

525
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: code from the other three that decode the fourth. Yeah,

526
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: that hasn't worked, obviously because obviously no. Supposedly there are

527
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: hints to the to the solution of K four in

528
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: the previous three, but these as said, what exactly these

529
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: hints are. The problem, if I understand correctly, with K

530
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: four is that it is so short. Yeah, exactly. One

531
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: of the problems. Well, so, I mean K four is

532
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: what it's character. It's less than a hundred characters long,

533
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: which the longer a cipher is, the more clues you

534
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: can gather by. Because when it's such a short thing

535
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: without the key, you're pretty host Yeah, you kind of are.

536
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: It does lend yourself a little bit better tonight. What

537
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: they call brute force attacks, you know, but where you

538
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: just basically you throw everything at it. And and if

539
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: you and this this only really works well if you

540
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: have a computer to do it with do it by yourself,

541
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: you'll go insane. But the computer or the computer you

542
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: can you can actually do a brute force attack pretty easily,

543
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 1: which people have now done. Oh yeah, share as computers

544
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: get faster, you know, our brute force attacks get faster.

545
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: Watson has a taking this on yet, or that's a

546
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 1: good question. Why not? It just does seem like a

547
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: good jeoper an AI doesn't. Yeah, because it's the rise

548
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: of the machines. They don't want him to know the answer.

549
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: Good point. Yeah, we don't want him to know how

550
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: to like code stuff and you do stuff in secret,

551
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: and I'm sure Watson doesn't know how to do that already. Yeah,

552
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 1: he hasn't figured that out. Definitely not dumb. Yeah, geez,

553
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: I sure hope you know with all the AIS that

554
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: weird that we're creating, I sure if they've just got

555
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: some guys standing switch. Yeah, no, not. You don't want

556
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: to kill switch. You just want to power. You want

557
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: to like an outlet in the wall, and you want

558
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: to want together just jerk the corse, that's what I mean,

559
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: just like flip the fuse. Yeah, exactly. Supercomputers, ultra intelligent

560
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: artificial intelligence runs the entire world plugged into a hundred

561
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: and ten volt plug in the Yeah, some dude could

562
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: accidentally trip over it and just destroy the infrastructure. Would

563
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: that be hilarious? Yeah, it sounds like that's what's going

564
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: to happen. Okay, So k Ford totally totally it is unsolved. Yeah. Yeah.

565
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Let me go back for a second to the solution

566
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: of the first three. Yeah, the first the first three

567
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: were cracked in ninety nine by computer scientists named Jim

568
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: Jim Galogley who used a computer. He was a California

569
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: computer scientists I know. And uh, but then the CIA

570
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: reigned all over his parade by announcing that one of

571
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: their employees had solved the first three pieces in nine

572
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: the year before. His name was Dave Stein. And also

573
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: they made they they made clear that even though they

574
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: had employees that have been working on this, they weren't

575
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: using company times. They just did it on their own time.

576
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: So he said, he just did it over like the

577
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: course of about four hundred lunch hours working on this sculpture.

578
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: And uh, and then the the n s A and

579
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: I was is that, Hey, you know, three of their

580
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: guys had like totally solved the whole first three messages

581
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: in nineteen that's what they said. Yeah, yeah, that was like, oh,

582
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: by the way, actually I solved it in eight Yeah

583
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: I did too. Now I saw it in nineteen nine,

584
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: the day after they put it up. Well, and the

585
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: funny thing is is that if you read some of

586
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: the stuff from the CIA and the n s A,

587
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: they're they're really kind of poking at Jim Glogly. Is

588
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: that how you say it? Because oh, well, we did

589
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: it all by hand, and you just don't get the

590
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: same joy and blah blah blah. It was really funny

591
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: the writing that just took a total dig this guy

592
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: using a computer to do it. I think the computer

593
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: is a smart way to go myself. You know, it

594
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: didn't take four lunch hours, no, exactly. The thing about

595
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: doing it by hand is cryptography. There's a lot of

596
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: bean counting going on, you know, all that all that

597
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: stuff that just wrote stuff like say, if you're just

598
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: doing a Caesar cipher, the simplest thing possible and you

599
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: just have to add say three to every alpha letter

600
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: in your in your clear text to encrypt it, well

601
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: you gotta go hump, don don't, don't, don't through the

602
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: entire message and isn't it better for that kind of

603
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: grunt work to have a computer do that? That's mindless.

604
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, there's a lot of that in cryptography

605
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: in both directions and so and so I'm not unless

606
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: you have a little Annie, a little orphan Annie decryptor

607
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: ring or yeah help ye I had a Johnny quest

608
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: and decrypton was it Johnny Quest or g I Joe

609
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: or I don't remember what it was. But I had

610
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: a pretty cool decoder room when I was a kid.

611
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah it was handy. Yeah, yeah, just remember to drink

612
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: your oval team. Yeah. I don't know where I got

613
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: that cracker jack box or what, but yeah, that's cool stuff.

614
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's illegal now because you know, if if

615
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: any kid had that today, he would immediately shove it

616
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: down a stroke and choke on. Yeah. We were different,

617
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: We were different breed of kids in my day. You know,

618
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: we didn't choke on stuff because everything it's I mean,

619
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: it's hard when like they're dinosaurs threatening your life, you

620
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: tend to not like shove things in your mouth. YEA,

621
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: thank you? Okay, So yeah, okay, So SO and N

622
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 1: s A kept their discoveries secret. Maybe they didn't want

623
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: to like let people know how just how smart they

624
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: are and how brilliant they are decrypting or you know,

625
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: it could actually be that, and it does seem to

626
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: be documented. They actually in fourteen that the n s

627
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: A did declassify some documents because apparently their employees, there

628
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: were three of them, wrote up reports on how they

629
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: did the whole thing, and uh, but they were classified

630
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: up until and uh but now they're available online so

631
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: you can read it. So apparently it is documented that

632
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: their employees did indeed break those first three ciphers. But

633
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: why were they classified? Yeah? Why do they keep it?

634
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: Because they work for a certain certain organization where almost

635
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: everything is classified. There is a tendency to over classify things.

636
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: And it might have been just share sportsmanship. They might

637
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: have just felt like, you know, hey, you know, we're

638
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: going to rain out a lot of people's parades if

639
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: we say, hey, we cracked it. Here it is, you know, Yeah,

640
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: that doesn't stop them before, especially as weird as this

641
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: one is, there's more cracking to be done. It is

642
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: a weird one. I mean, yeah, you think they could

643
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: have said something like, hey, we cracked it, but we're

644
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: not gonna We're still not gonna tell you what it is.

645
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to figure that out yourself, bitches. But

646
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: all right, so we're gonna start with there. We're gonna

647
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: talk about our first little mystery here. But first let's

648
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: take a break, because I think I see a man

649
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: in dark sunglasses and a suit at the door. The

650
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 1: town of Beaumont had a problem. The city council had

651
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: barred dancing and rock and roll. You couldn't do it.

652
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: It just wasn't allowed. Supposedly, the rules put in place

653
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: after the Reverend Sun died in a car accident on

654
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: the way home from a dance. But that wasn't the

655
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: real reason. The real reason was that the Reverend was

656
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: wearing conventional socks that didn't fit right and gave him blisters,

657
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: and dancing only made it worse, and he didn't want

658
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: to be the only one not dancing. Being the pillar

659
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: of the community, he decided that it had to be

660
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: that way for everyone, so the band was put in place. Luckily,

661
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: a spirited teenager named Wren McCormick came to town and

662
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: showed everyone in the error of their ways. Socks a

663
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: vital article of clothing that often gets overlooked Thankfully, four

664
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: years ago, two guys set out to rethink it. Neither

665
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: of them was written, and after spending two years fixing

666
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: all the things they didn't like about conventional socks, Bombas

667
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: was born. Bombas offers premium socks equipped with seven substantial

668
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: improvements to the ordinary sock, which you can find online.

669
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: In fact, Bomba socks are such game changers that customers

670
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: overwhelmingly claimed that they are the most comfortable socks they've

671
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 1: ever worn. But best of all, every pair of socks

672
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: Bomba cells, they donate a pair to those in need.

673
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 1: They've already donated over two million pairs so far. Go

674
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: to Bombas dot com slash sideways to get off your

675
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 1: first order. You'll love Bombas socks or your money back guaranteed.

676
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: That's Bombas dot com slash sideways. Now that I think

677
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: about it, maybe Randy Goldberg and David Heath are like

678
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: Brand McCormick. They did buck the sock system and we're back.

679
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: That guy was just h Yeah, that's that's dangerous. I

680
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 1: got a good serial killer story for you guys. About

681
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: that one for another time. Time. Yeah, mystery number one,

682
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: let's talk about our first mystery, which what is exactly

683
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: the true purpose of cryptos. Was it just art or

684
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: is it something else? Do you do? You know, I

685
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: sort of wondered if maybe it's not kind of a

686
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: recruiting device to try to, like, you know, find some

687
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: really talented cryptographers to hire. Yes, no, I mean I

688
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: I don't. There's not a question in my mind that

689
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: this is similar to you know, the idea behind the

690
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: Cicada three three oh one, where it's like, obviously a

691
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: lot of these puzzles get put out there simply because

692
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:43,359
Speaker 1: they're recruiting tools, you know, and obviously back in the forties. Yeah,

693
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, Google does the same thing. They hire people

694
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 1: who hack into their system. They say, if you can

695
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: get into our system, we will hire you. I know,

696
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: when I heard about that, I got my car and

697
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: drove through the front wall, and that doesn't count. You

698
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: were like, well, it's all right, I had an accident

699
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 1: into But I mean there's for me, there's no question.

700
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: But I know I'm more prone to believe stuff like

701
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: that than you guys are. So yeah, well, you know,

702
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: and think about it is it's actually a kind of

703
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: a nice looking piece of sculpture too, so it could

704
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: be a dual purpose. Kind of thing, you know, purposes

705
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: pretty nicely, not that any old smoke can just wander

706
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: up to it, but well that is the thing. Yeah,

707
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 1: it is on CIA grounds, so you it's not not

708
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: everybody gets to look at but there's lots of pictures

709
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: of information about it. There's just tons of information out there,

710
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: and we'll have some good links for you all. By

711
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: the way, there's one person that at Lanka Done and

712
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 1: who's who's like, you know, considered one of the foremost

713
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: experts on the whole thing, and she has a page

714
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 1: which will give you a link to that has in itself,

715
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: I don't know what a hundred two hundred links and

716
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: articles and and and all kinds of stuff, and so yeah,

717
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: pretty much almost everything you need to know about cryptos

718
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: you'll find in her page. Well, anyway, let's go back

719
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: to our story for just a little bit. As you know,

720
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: nobody is yet deciphered k for so if the last

721
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: time it was deciphered and seen, that's all almost twenty

722
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: years and people are still hammering their head and brains

723
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 1: out over that one. Yeah, and I said earlier, because

724
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: it's so short. That's one of the things that's made

725
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: it kind of tough to break, although it turns out,

726
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: you know, K one was actually kind of short too,

727
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: and people managed to break that. And it turns out

728
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: there it's actually shorter than ninety seven letters because in

729
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: tween Jim sim would reveal that actually that last characters

730
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: is two messages, not just one, and they're encrypted with

731
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: different systems, making it even harder. Yeah, he does make

732
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: it harder. And he also said that you need to

733
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: solve K four in order to solve K five. So

734
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: and in uh it again, it have been eleven years

735
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: since the last time there had been any progress in this,

736
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: so he decided it was time to dropping officially. Yeah, officially, Yeah,

737
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Uh And so he said, the

738
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: six characters in K four translate to the word Berlin

739
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: as in as in the city in Germany. The characters

740
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: are the sixty four through sixty nine. The letters are N, Y,

741
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: P V T T. Write that down. And again I remember,

742
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: of course, at this time in ten, nobody with sandboard

743
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: knew that there was actually two messages in there. So

744
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: my question, of course when I first heard that as well,

745
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: is Berlin in K four or is Berlin in K five? I? Oh,

746
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: I guess there is. I just have a hard time.

747
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: I'm so green with ciphers, I like, don't I don't

748
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: understand cipher's like at all. So for me, it's so

749
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: hard to imagine a cipher where Berlin would translate to

750
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: something that has two t s at the end of it.

751
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I pause, that's really hard for me.

752
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: But also, you know, knowing that there's this other kind

753
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: of cipher where actually all of the letters are crack,

754
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, like it's but yeah, I mean, obviously, you know,

755
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: obviously it's not a substitution cipher, right, and it's not.

756
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: It's not a substitution cipher. Can't be right, obviously it

757
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: can Obviously it can't be simple, it can't be a

758
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 1: Caesar shift. Obviously the colindar transposition technique is not being

759
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: used here because all six letters are side by side,

760
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: they're not and I scattered all throughout the text. So

761
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: it could be uh as we're back to the old

762
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: vision air cipher. Maybe I don't know, but presumably a

763
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: lot of people have already tried to decrypt it using

764
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: the vision are cipher. Yeah, if you know that it's

765
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: used once, you might as well give it a shot

766
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: and see if you use more than once. Uh, yeah,

767
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: I suppose. I mean, but if they, if they, if

768
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: they've gone back to the vision are cipher, it appears

769
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: that they probably took out the keyword crypto, so they're

770
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: probably using a different there's probably two different keys this time.

771
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: It was not yeah, so uh and that's about all

772
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: we know about it so far. There were only twenty

773
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,959
Speaker 1: three characters after after the word burl, after the word Berlin. Well,

774
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: and that's not actually true. That's twenty eight. But in

775
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: in nine Jim sand Words said that because still nobody

776
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: had broken any broken the cipher. He said, Okay, the

777
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: word after berlin clock so brilliant clock. And so those

778
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: words that word would be spelled mz F p K

779
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: spell clock exactly. So after clock there are only twenty

780
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: three characters after that. I'm assuming that brilliant clock is

781
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: in K four and not K five. Makes sense if

782
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: you have to have K four to fix yeah, otherwise

783
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: otherwise Sandberg Sandborn is a real jerk j J. Yeah,

784
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: I guess I just keep thinking characters. That's a small

785
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 1: enough set that you could have if you have two

786
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: different encryption and you're really smart about it, right, it

787
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: could literally be the same letters with two different encryption codes,

788
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: with two separate messages that are all ninety seven letters.

789
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: I think that's possible. It's not easy, it would be

790
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: really tricky, but I'm saying that it could just be

791
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: two different cipher sets, right, And that would also for me.

792
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this may be like jumping ahead a little bit,

793
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: but for me, when I look at all of the

794
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: errors that are included in all of the other ones,

795
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: that's kind of what it looks like to me is

796
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: that the shift would be different, and so a different

797
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: message with different sets of errors would appear in like

798
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 1: K one for instance. Right, that like, if there were

799
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: a separate message included in there, those xs would go

800
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: away and suddenly they become a's and it's a totally

801
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: different set of you know whatever. Um. And So I

802
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: guess for me, I don't think it's likely that that

803
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: is the case, but it's a possibility that I come

804
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: I keep coming back to. It would the genius level

805
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: encryption to me, So you're saying essentially that, but there

806
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: are a lot of errors in this. So he could

807
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: have done it wrong. He could have thought he did

808
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: it perfectly great and it turned out no, they're both

809
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: incipher decipherable. Now yeah, but yeah, I mean, but but

810
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: I saw if when I from reading it correctly, you're

811
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: saying essentially the same the same piece, the same message

812
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: can be two entirely different things. I'm saying that the

813
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: same set of letters, given two different encryption code could

814
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: be two separate, could be two different things. Yeah, and

815
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: that's some time, and that would explain a lot of things,

816
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: like you say that the stray weird characters and the

817
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: spellings and stuff where they had to sort of shoot

818
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: horn these things together. And so that's entirely possible. A

819
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: lot of people have pondered that exact question. That's just

820
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: that's just a little too fiendish. On the other hand,

821
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: so well, yeah, I'll stand okay. So oh yeah, we're

822
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: at Berlin clock. Okay, and uh, and again we've got

823
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: two messages. Presumably there's at least twenty three characters in

824
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: K five And by the way, brilliant clock. Do google

825
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: on that. And if you haven't heard of it as

826
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: a famous clock, it's kind of cool. Uh. It's one

827
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: of those clocks that you know, you have to sit

828
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: down and figure out how to use it and how

829
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: to tell time by it, and then you never use

830
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: it again because it's a painting. But you've got to

831
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: kind of do some math in order to tell what

832
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: the time is, because can you give me like a

833
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: high level colored shapes so that I think it's a

834
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: there's a red circle, then there's a bar below that

835
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: that is divided into three pieces, and each p slights

836
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: up in yellow. It's basically this weird semi binary clock. Yeah, um,

837
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: it's I mean, you would have to be really really

838
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: versed in that kind of stuff and use it all

839
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: the time in order to understand that the combination of

840
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: lights this means six thirty, but this means sixty two. Yeah,

841
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it is. And so so it's like they're

842
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: I think there's like three red ones up near the top,

843
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: three red rectangles, and those denote fifteen minutes each. Yeah,

844
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: and then so so if like three of them are

845
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: lit up, its four four at the top. And then

846
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: so those are four increments of like fifteen minutes stations.

847
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: So if those those little guys three of them lit

848
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: up there, it's okay forty five minutes after the hour.

849
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: And then you go down further to find out what

850
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: the hour is and stuff, and you gotta be super complex.

851
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: It's a little you know, it's not concepolutely difficult, but

852
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 1: it's kind of a kind of a nuisance if you

853
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: want to know what the time is real fast. But

854
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, people dig that stuff. I mean, you watches

855
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: like that all the time. There's i mean the binary watches.

856
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: We already said binder, but there's a couple of different ones.

857
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you never saw this, Devan, but Joe,

858
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, you remember that that watch that I

859
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: had that had the hollows center in the light like

860
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: that thing was cool, but a giant painted the buck

861
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: to use again. It's just kind of a cool factor

862
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Absolutely, Okay. I want to advent a

863
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: time piece that's just whenever you want to know the time,

864
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, you press a button and it just drops

865
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: out gold bars and a certain you know, at a

866
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: certain number of gold bars for the hour, and then

867
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: then yeah, it wouldn't it be nice? Yeah? I think

868
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to go into alchemy for that, yeah, probably. Yeah,

869
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: So one gold bar for each hour and then a

870
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: bunch of career answer for the minutes that work. Okay,

871
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, So the big question is is will

872
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: K four and K five b the code? And well,

873
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: probably sooner or later they will, but it doesn't solve

874
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: everything when and not quiet because sand Words said this

875
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: in and I'm quoting him here, once the play is deciphered,

876
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that true meaning will be clear even

877
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 1: then there's another deeper mystery. Yeah, okay, so let's let's

878
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: stop here because I know we're about to go into

879
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: mystery number two. I have a so my my concern

880
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: with this whole thing is when I mean, we talked

881
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: about it before the mistakes and him saying they were intentional.

882
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: You know, I work in a in an area where

883
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: you take artistic license to things, and I have I

884
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: worked with some people who will seriously manipulate things to

885
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: make them look right. And the problem is that that

886
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: then very dramatically changes them and changes their meeting, whether

887
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: it be in text or imagery or illustrations or whatever.

888
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: We're in this case a series of letters. Well that's

889
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: kind of That's why I really worried that this thing

890
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: is is completely screwed up, because he's he's quote unquote

891
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: massage to the letters around and blown the whole thing apart. Honestly,

892
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: I feel like him that quote from him of like,

893
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 1: once it's deciphered, O Nacha is totally him just covering

894
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: his But because he like realized ten years later he

895
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh crap, I totally mess that up. It's

896
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 1: not going to mean anything. I, on the other hand,

897
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: maybe not. I tend to think he probably probably did

898
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: improof reading before he put the whole thing up, but

899
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: he didn't because it was ten years later that he

900
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: was rereading the plain text and they found that one

901
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: era that dramatically changed it. Well, it didn't dramatically change,

902
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: it changed two words at the end. Are we going

903
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: to talk about that? Yeah. Originally at the end of

904
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 1: the end of the second message, it said it looked

905
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 1: like it said by by the by the code everything

906
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: it desired. And this is just entirely coincidental, serendipitous. I

907
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,760
Speaker 1: guess it decrypted to a lot three words. I d

908
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: by Rose. Yeah, so I d by Rose. But it

909
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: turns out that what he had intended to do is

910
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: he had he had intended to put another X in

911
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: there as as a delimita to the previous sentence, and

912
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: then had the two words layer to appear after that,

913
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: and so when he left that out, he removed the

914
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 1: X to make it look proportionate. Yeah, exactly. So when

915
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: he left that out and it went from saying layer

916
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: two to just saying I d by rows. And that's

917
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: just a peer coincidence that it actually translated to something coherent,

918
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 1: that's likely that it could have translated to something just gibberish.

919
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: That's why that's why you're wondering if maybe the same

920
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: message with two different keys could translate to different because

921
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: it totally could totally explain there's no spaces, there's no

922
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: nothing right, So it would explain some of the things

923
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,800
Speaker 1: like the x is and the misspellings. I know exactly,

924
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, I imagine imagine this. Imagine that you're reading

925
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: left to right, uh, the line after line. What if

926
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: it's you know, you're reading calumn well or I mean

927
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: the other thing even is like maybe you're reading right

928
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: to left because you can go all the way around

929
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: these things, right, I mean they are intentionally punched all

930
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: the way through. You can step around on the other

931
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: side of it, and then it's a different methods should

932
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: read it backward? Yeah, you read left to right from

933
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: the other side and suddenly it's a you know, so

934
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's a lot of stuff

935
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 1: here that. Yeah. One of the reasons I have wondered

936
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: about the top to bottom think the columnar thing is

937
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: that some of the words said, the misspellings and stuff,

938
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: like the last word in the first message was illusion,

939
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 1: but with the que instead of an L, so it's

940
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: it's i q l U so inclusion. And I seriously

941
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: wondered because he said he's left letters out to deliberately,

942
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: and I wondered if actually the word he's the word

943
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: he's actually misspelled, wasn't illusion after all? The inclusion occlusion.

944
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: Inclusion is the word I'm thinking occlusion because it makes sense.

945
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's talking about about shadow and darkness and

946
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So he says between subtlet shading and

947
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: the absence of light less and nuance of exclusion illusion,

948
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: But occlusions pits out a lot better when you think

949
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: about it, because the inclusion is like, you know, you know,

950
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: the the absence of light. Essentially, when you include thing,

951
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, you've blocked the light and you shade it

952
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: and stuff. So to me, yeah, or that kind of

953
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: thing to you. But inclusions, so I wanted a conclusion. So,

954
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: in other words, he put a que in there because

955
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: he needed to. He needed to. Otherwise he would have

956
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: had to put two season there and oh a CNFC

957
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: and so he needed to he needed to toss out

958
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,319
Speaker 1: one of those seas, and so he put the queue

959
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: in there instead to do the same job. So I

960
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: Q instead of see, which would explain you know, And

961
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: again this is all tendentious. It's like, I am not

962
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: actually going to spend a huge amount of time trying

963
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: to crack this one because I've just got too much

964
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: to do. I don't know a lot of people with

965
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: bigger brains who have not managed to do with it

966
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: than Yeah. Probably it's not worth the die. It's one

967
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: of those delia. So I just thought, okay, I'll give it.

968
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: I'll give it like half an hour, just because it

969
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: would be so cool if all these people have been

970
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: beating their brains out over it, and if I was

971
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: able to sit down and just you know, crack it

972
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: the text editor and figured it out. Yeah, you know,

973
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: as anybody ever thought to, like, you know, put this

974
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: into Microsoft word and then switch over to wing dings.

975
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: I mean really though, Yeah, yeah, I'm going to try that. Actually,

976
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: actually I'm not going to try that, or just do

977
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: detect language on like Google Translate. Yeah, try that too, Yeah,

978
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,439
Speaker 1: try to let it, you know, see if there's another

979
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: language in there, because Google is pretty good at like

980
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: trying to decipher. Google's like your sober friend, you know,

981
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: like you can type some like really messed up words

982
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: in there and it's like, oh did you mean this,

983
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: because it understands somehow. I gotta feel like if you,

984
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: if you type this, Google probably knows this very well

985
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: and they'd probably if you type it in there, Google

986
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: say you're give us, say like nice tried, dude, Yeah

987
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: we solve this twenty years ago. Yeah. Yeah, so you

988
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: have it back to her, I think he uh so

989
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: there's there Apparently according to him, there are riddles to

990
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: be solved and that will that will leave you as

991
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: you know, as I said, he made reference to something

992
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: being hidden somewhere, probably in the grounds of the CIA

993
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: and Langley. He actually gave he actually gave the level

994
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: too whatever that means layer to actually layer too. That's

995
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: another one right where it's like he's obviously telling us

996
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: like there's another layer to this code and maybe it is,

997
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: and maybe he's just playing this mind game right where

998
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: every time somebody says, hey, is it this, he's like, no, like,

999
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: I D Rose, I D by Rose. Like that could

1000
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: be I'm sure everybody, like I'm sure that people have

1001
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: experienced this or explored this already, right, but I D

1002
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: by Rose could be another part of the cipher that

1003
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 1: exposes the second layer. Yeah, I mean it could be right, Yeah,

1004
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 1: Rose could be the other work. Yeah. Yeah. By the way,

1005
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: there is that there is a discussion for him. For

1006
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: for these cryptos nerds out there, if you really want

1007
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 1: to get intensely involved in this, I will definitely put

1008
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: the link out there too. You have to act, think,

1009
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: send them an email and ask for membership. You know,

1010
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: they have to be admitted to the group and have

1011
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: to prove that you're not like a spot here or

1012
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 1: a Russian. Actually you probably get extra poement points for

1013
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: being a Russian. But the but but yeah, they's so,

1014
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: they've been discussing it. They still are as far as

1015
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: I know, So that mystery, okay. Yeah, And then of

1016
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: course you know there's there's other elements to the sculpture. Also,

1017
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: there's some pieces of marble that are that are setting.

1018
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: They're sort of set around it, and you don't know

1019
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: if those had significance or they're just they're flat paced

1020
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: places for people to sit down and eat their lunch.

1021
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: You don't really know. Did I read somewhere somebody thought

1022
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: that maybe they were brail or something from the well,

1023
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: there is a there's a Morse code there. Yeah, there's

1024
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: a there's actually in the whole thing. There's there's not

1025
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,720
Speaker 1: just a sculpture, but there's other various rocks and things around,

1026
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: and there's a message in Morse code that's what conceivably

1027
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: be brail. You know, maybe the Morse totally wrong. Yeah,

1028
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: but it's more well, if it's Morrise code, though it

1029
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: doesn't really translate that well because there's a lot of

1030
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: dots in there, which translates to just ease. So maybe

1031
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: it's something else. I don't know the Yeah, that's what

1032
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: it is, but where did the where did that come from?

1033
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:08,959
Speaker 1: Was that part of the same Yeah, but it doesn't

1034
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: make you wonder if maybe people are too fixated on

1035
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 1: the central piece and that image the other stuff. Oh yeah,

1036
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: there's aerial images available out there, and people have like

1037
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, tried to like make any sense about it

1038
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: from out of it from there, and of course somebody

1039
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,239
Speaker 1: has has actually marked the spot that's marked by those

1040
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: coordinates that are in K two. So you can find

1041
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: an aerial where that's marked. And is it on Langley property? Yeah,

1042
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: it is, it's actually yeah, it's actually quite Yeah. They

1043
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: have a they have a Brilliant Wall memorial there where

1044
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: they actually brought over several chunks of the Brilliant Wall

1045
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 1: after it got torn down and they stilly created a

1046
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 1: monument to that, and it's right about very close to that. Well,

1047
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: maybe there's some significance with Berlin. Uh yeah, well Berlin

1048
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: clock and all that stuff. And of course when it

1049
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: when this was commissioned and he was doing it, doing

1050
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: his work, it was committed and I think before the

1051
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: fall of the wall, but then I believe it was

1052
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: completed after the fall of the wall. So I could

1053
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: totally picture him going back with this momentous thing happening

1054
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: and inserting some reference to you know, obviously they're brilliant clock,

1055
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: but maybe something about the wall, you know, the fall

1056
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: of Communist been, Soviet Union and all that stuff. I mean,

1057
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: but we don't know. And uh, and so there's there's

1058
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: riddles he said, he's he's hinted that the solutions to

1059
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: the riddles will lead you essentially to another riddle, and

1060
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: that's the riddle apparently solved these last riddles. You have

1061
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: to actually have access to the CIA, you actually have

1062
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: to solve them on on the ground, and so good

1063
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: luck with that. Yeah, yeah, and so that's where it's at.

1064
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: And so any of our listeners out there, if you know,

1065
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: if you if you go out there and you saw this,

1066
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: then just tell them we said, you know, we'd appreciate that,

1067
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: and all of you with coke y. Yeah, so let's

1068
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: get into our mysteries here. These are more mysteries and theories,

1069
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: which yeah, we've been on mystery one for a good

1070
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: little bit here. Yeah, mystery too. Are the c in

1071
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: the n s A telling the truths? Which is to say,

1072
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: they say they haven't cracked Kate in four in k

1073
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: five yet that seems suspicious. It kind of does you

1074
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 1: know these guys just you know, actually it kind of

1075
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 1: kind of makes me mad because we're paying them a

1076
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,600
Speaker 1: lot of money to be able to do this kind

1077
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: of crap and they can't and I kind of, uh, well,

1078
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,640
Speaker 1: they have they literally do have the trick I mean,

1079
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: they may have other things that they consider higher priority

1080
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: than solving the installation. That sounds wrong. Yeah, I could be.

1081
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 1: I mean it really could be. But I I don't

1082
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: know you would think that with all those supercomputers and everything,

1083
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: and I know, I know they have said at least

1084
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 1: for public consumption, they have said that they're not debuilding

1085
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 1: any public resources to this at all. Yeah, people would

1086
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: freak out if they heard that, Well I would. I

1087
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know, man. I think if the

1088
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 1: N s A employees have a little bit have a

1089
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: spare minute or two be decrypting between decrypting ISIS communications

1090
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: and everything, if they've they've got a few minutes of

1091
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: downtime and they want to play with this on their supercomputers,

1092
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Yeah, you know, I don't see a problem.

1093
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with that, really, I mean whatever,

1094
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: you know, it's like it actually for them it would

1095
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: be kind of cool to have a nice little break

1096
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: from your day to day routine. They are to be

1097
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: able to do something a little different, keep the mind sharp.

1098
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think they're probably lying. I kind of

1099
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: think that probably they've at least N s A has

1100
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: broken it. Well, they're supposed to. I mean, the the

1101
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: answer was given to the c I A. Yeah, so

1102
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: they you imagine that what's the head guy, William Webster,

1103
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: thank you. He probably put it in the safe and

1104
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: it's probably something that is transferred from director to director,

1105
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: so they know the Freagan answer. Yeah, they have to

1106
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: have the answer, So it's not as if they, well somebody, yeah,

1107
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,919
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, somebody. I mean maybe those guys are

1108
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 1: such honorable fellows that they've actually left it sealed in

1109
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: the envelope in the safe for all these years and

1110
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 1: they haven't actually pulled it out and looked at it.

1111
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: But if I would watch, if I've watched X files enough,

1112
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: the answer to that, you know, it would be kind

1113
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: of tough to not pull that envelope out and have

1114
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: a look at it. And almost impossible. Yeah, it really

1115
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,760
Speaker 1: kind of would be. Yeah, So how many more mysteries

1116
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: do we have? Here? Got a few more mystery? Number three?

1117
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: What are the encryption algorithms for K four K five?

1118
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 1: And we've already kind of talked about that, so I

1119
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: don't you know again I could Yeah, tough, I've already

1120
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: told you what it can't be. It's it's not rearrangement.

1121
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: It's not just a simple substitution cipher or seas shift

1122
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But there's a lot of other

1123
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: ciphers out there. So anyway, why does it on here

1124
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: say pig Latin. Oh yeah, pig. I tried pig Latin.

1125
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: That doesn't work, and so no pig Latin. Our next messages,

1126
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: well and order the messages say well, hell if I know.

1127
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen the stuff that's been decrypted. I don't.

1128
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know if don't totally understand that. Yeah,

1129
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: not really, No, I don't. I don't get it at all.

1130
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: But again, it's a this is gonna be kind of

1131
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 1: one of those Da Vinci Code kind of things where

1132
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: to the ordinary person, you know, it's ghibberation. But then

1133
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: you know, Tom Hanks comes along and said, well you

1134
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: have we said Tom Hanks to Langley. He would figure

1135
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,959
Speaker 1: this out in like two days. Oh no, you figured

1136
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: out in like thirty Secon just glanced at it and

1137
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: be like, oh, but I always loved that in the

1138
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: Da Vinci Code. That's the only one of the series

1139
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: that I've read is and I haven't seen the movie,

1140
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 1: but I just love it. He goes into the lube

1141
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: and there's a dead body. But before he died, he

1142
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,480
Speaker 1: arranged himself. So he's pointing towards this, this fading but

1143
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: this so obviously Tom Hanks is the guy to figure

1144
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: this one out. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And by

1145
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: the way, and Dan Brown is apparently a fan of cryptos,

1146
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure, yeah he is. And he actually mentions it

1147
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: apparently in the Da Vinci Code, and he wrote some

1148
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: other book that also mentions it quite heavily too. So

1149
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: Angels and Demons problem, it wasn't that one. I can't

1150
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: remember the name of it, but you know, but yeah,

1151
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: I just go out to Dan Brown dot com or

1152
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: something like that or I don't know, Google. Yeah, you'll

1153
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: find something about that. So our next. And here's the thing.

1154
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously there's something hidden theoretic, I don't know

1155
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: if they're okay. Yeah, So if there is something hidden,

1156
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: well what is it? And I can see some different possibilities,

1157
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: one of which is treasure, you know, a little word

1158
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 1: or something kind of humorous, like maybe a secret decode

1159
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: or ring Hitler's body. Yeah yeah. Another may be another

1160
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: encrypted message. It's like, you know, so you get all

1161
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: the way down there, and there's got another message. So

1162
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: you got to figure out I mean it could be

1163
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: I mean why not. You know there there is talk

1164
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: about the because of the coordinates and the memorial for

1165
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: the Berlin Wall or the monument, there is talk that

1166
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: initially it was supposed to go in a place that

1167
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: lined up with those coordinates. This is supposition, of course,

1168
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: but that after he made Cryptos, they just they changed

1169
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: their mind and moved it to a different location and

1170
00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 1: screwed the whole thing up. It's how it possible. You know,

1171
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: some peon said, oh, no, it's gonna go over here

1172
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: because the contractor will charge just more over there. I

1173
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: don't know why they didn't put it there, But I

1174
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: don't know why you would have a cipher that directed

1175
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: you to the exact coordinates that you're already standing at. No,

1176
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: it's this According to what I read, the coordinates were

1177
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: not exactly where Cryptos was, but it's near it, and

1178
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: that that near location, that's where the Berlin Wall remnants

1179
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: were supposed to be put. Because then that would give

1180
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: you the idea of oh wait, the word bill Berlin Wall.

1181
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 1: Oh look, I found the word Berlin and the tacks

1182
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: that must mean something like I don't know if that's

1183
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: real or not, but I've seen that out there. Yeah, no,

1184
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,240
Speaker 1: there's there's other other suppositions or a series are that

1185
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: he actually screwed up and he actually was using the

1186
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: wrong map and that was off by a little bit,

1187
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: you know, and in his coordinates. So there's always that possibility.

1188
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: But then I I would say that the cordinates are

1189
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: the Berlin wal Wantument. What I would be doing is

1190
01:00:57,080 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: I would looking for I'd be looking for a little

1191
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: piece of foe all other ways. Go out there to

1192
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: the little monument and it's like find that, find the one,

1193
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, the one piece of it that looks a

1194
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: little newer, and maybe the graffiti's in English instead of German,

1195
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, okay, that's what it is. Pull it out

1196
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,439
Speaker 1: of there and take a sledge to and see what's

1197
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: inside there. But they will so let that. Yeah. Well, also,

1198
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: you know the other thing is is that like maybe

1199
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: the treasure is employment at the CIA. It could be

1200
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: it could be as an employment application. Yeah, and it

1201
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: could and it really could be. You know to me

1202
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: that um, you know, K four and five have been solved,

1203
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: and it literally just says like hey, contact this person

1204
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 1: if you can read this and the block, Yeah, that

1205
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: could be it. Yeah, and they get a job, you know,

1206
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: and they're sworn to secrecy. Yeah, maybe that's what it is.

1207
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: That's that's a good one. I like that one. My favorite,

1208
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: this is my personal favorite is that it's a tampon.

1209
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: They've got a box with a tampon in it, And

1210
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: that's just that's just my sense of humor. But I

1211
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: don't yeah, I would. I would just love that there's

1212
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: a big ceremony to they have on Earth that hermetically

1213
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: sealed box and the TV news cruiser there they Yeah. Well,

1214
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: here's the thing is that it actually kind of makes

1215
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: sense and anything from an in a metaphorical kind of way,

1216
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: because cryptography is about keeping meaning hidden. And if you

1217
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 1: look at tampons, when you buy a tampon in the store,

1218
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: it's hidden. It's in the box, and when you take

1219
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: it out of the box, well it's hidden somewhere else. Uh.

1220
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: And so you've done a lot of philosophizing in this episode.

1221
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: Day know that. Oh no, that might just might usual

1222
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: the philosopher king. But anyway, that's why I kind of

1223
01:02:39,800 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: like the tampon idea. But aside from the Philosopher's Stone, Yeah,

1224
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: are there. It could just be an uplifting message like

1225
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: peace on Earth or something like that. I hope it's not,

1226
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 1: but you know, it's always possible. If there's something like that,

1227
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: it would be pretty anti climatic, though, Yeah, it really

1228
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: would be. I'd be kind of a I'd be kind

1229
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 1: of a jerk thing to do, so I'm kind of

1230
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: thinking not. But yeah, I like actually I like your

1231
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: theory to having about an employment application. I think that's

1232
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah, yeah, contact us. We have one

1233
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: more mystery. Well yeah, mystery number six. Uh, well, is

1234
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: a mysterious hidden the object even still there? Because we've

1235
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: talked about like the Berlin Wall monument and everything being

1236
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: moved to a different place, and what if they did

1237
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: a little re landscaping they accidentally dug up the box

1238
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 1: that's got the tampon in it or whatever it's got

1239
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: the piece lilies. Yeah yeah, uh yeah exactly, or they're

1240
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: putting in a new sprinkler system. You know, I mean

1241
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 1: obviously this is classified where this thing is hidden, so

1242
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: if the guy out there just doing the work doesn't

1243
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 1: know about it, clink, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there's always

1244
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: a possibility to that it's actually not even buried. I mean,

1245
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: it might actually be one of those hidden in plain

1246
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: sight kind of things. So you know, maybe some CIA

1247
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 1: employees stole it, you know, and then has it perceived.

1248
01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: Or maybe Audre Chames actually because he was still working

1249
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: there of cryptos one up, James, the famous mole, maybe

1250
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: stole it and gave it to the Russians whatever it was. Currently,

1251
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: it's in Putin's office, yeah, desk, yeah, yea, and though

1252
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,800
Speaker 1: or maybe you know, maybe the cleaning staff just accidentally

1253
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: threw it out. That'd be kind of funny, but it

1254
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't be the first time. Yeah, I'm assuming it's something

1255
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: kind of secure, so that can't happen. You would help.

1256
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,600
Speaker 1: So anyway, do you think who was it? Was it

1257
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: Einstein that stayed up for a day and a night

1258
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: and had everything on the chalkboard and passed out from exhaustion,

1259
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: and the cleaning lady cleaned the chalkboard for him. I

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Speaker 1: took it all the way. That may not be a

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Speaker 1: real story, but it's It may not have been Einstein,

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Speaker 1: but I swear I've heard that before. I can imagine

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Speaker 1: that that's why they put police don't erase or on

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Speaker 1: those things. But yeah, I could. You would think that

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Speaker 1: somebody would ask before they would erase all those equations.

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Speaker 1: You would think, you would think. But yeah, so it

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Speaker 1: appears our mystery is at an end. It does. So

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Speaker 1: I lied at the beginning. I said we were going

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Speaker 1: to solve it. Now I totally lied, always lying. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I I can. I can tell you what the answer is.

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Speaker 1: What's that exactly? When you read it, that's what it

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Speaker 1: says if you don't unscrample it. Yeah. I did that

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Speaker 1: phonetically though, so please don't try and make that perfect.

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Speaker 1: And hopefully by the time this goes to you know,

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Speaker 1: goes to press, somebody won't have solved it in the thing.

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Speaker 1: If they did, won't damn it. But if you have

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Speaker 1: any thoughts on this, you can contact us, as always

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Speaker 1: via email. We are at Thinking Sideways podcast at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com because we'd like to get an email fanmail,

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Speaker 1: especially because you know we have so many fans out there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We also have a website believe it or not, Thinking

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Speaker 1: sideways podcast dot com, where you can found our episodes.

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Speaker 1: We've got an episode list out there so you can

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Speaker 1: see the entire list. In turn, catalog, it's always Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, you can download and listen to our our

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Speaker 1: you can stream we are there pretty much. Yeah. We're

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Speaker 1: about it until next week. Would bye gay? He said

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Speaker 1: in CRYPTI said in code in pig Latin. I know

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Speaker 1: that code. Wow, bye everybody, Bye guys,