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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one one, and

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Speaker 1: today in the show, we're joined by Justin zar and

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Speaker 1: Illinois bow hunter and host of bow hunting dot COM's

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Speaker 1: bow Hunt or Die web show, and we're talking early

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Speaker 1: season October hunting tactics, chasing suburban bucks, and much much more.

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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome to another episode of the Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by sik Gear. And today

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Speaker 1: the show we are joined by our pal and super

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Speaker 1: serious Illinois white tail hunter je Sustin's are of bow

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Speaker 1: hunting dot Com and the bow Hunter Die web show.

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Speaker 1: And in a few minutes here we're gonna get Justin

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Speaker 1: on with us, and I'm hoping we can just dig

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Speaker 1: deep into his plans and strategies for hunting this upcoming

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Speaker 1: month of October. I'm thinking we can probably touch on

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Speaker 1: everything from early season ideas to October lull tips, to

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Speaker 1: hunt in the pre rut, and even maybe we even

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Speaker 1: get into the rut phases, because who who's not looking

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Speaker 1: forward in November but I want to make sure we

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Speaker 1: dive into all that tree stand placement, trail cameras and

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Speaker 1: all sorts of good stuff. So along the way, I

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Speaker 1: think Dan and I should be able to chip in

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Speaker 1: a thought or two as well. But speaking of Dan,

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Speaker 1: Mr co host, you are the man of the week. Congratulations,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir, Thank you sir. That is awesome. You

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Speaker 1: got a new healthy mouth the field yep, yep. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing any of the feeding right now. That's

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Speaker 1: all on mama. But so you know, my wife is

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Speaker 1: a champ, like I just feel like she was born

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Speaker 1: and designed to have kids because every time, uh, we've

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Speaker 1: gone into the hospital, it's been a breeze. There's been

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Speaker 1: no complications, you know, knock on wood. Just very happy

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Speaker 1: with how everything turned out. Um and I know not

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Speaker 1: a lot of people live around the area that I

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Speaker 1: lived that may listen to this, but the hospital, Mercy

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Speaker 1: Hospital where I I've had all three of my children,

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Speaker 1: have made child birth and everything just amazing. So shout

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Speaker 1: out to Mercy Hospital if anybody anybody listen to go

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Speaker 1: have a kid there man, because they are they're outstanding

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Speaker 1: at what they do. Maybe maybe we'll make the drive

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Speaker 1: out there this February. That's a perfect time. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: do you want to share the name for those who

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Speaker 1: haven't seen online yet. Yeah, his name is Knox Daniel Johnson,

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Speaker 1: and he's a badass. I was gonna say Knox Johnson.

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Speaker 1: He just sounds like he's gonna be trouble between that

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Speaker 1: and Mac Johnson, like you're gonna have two tyrants on

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Speaker 1: your hands, is what I think. Well, I wanted to

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Speaker 1: name our second boy a name that would go well

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Speaker 1: with Matt. So when they get introduced as like and

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Speaker 1: new tag team Champions of the World, you know, Mack

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Speaker 1: and Knox, kind they're kind of some badass names. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know that that sounds about right. They sounded the

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Speaker 1: types of They sound like the types of kids that

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Speaker 1: would like take a manhole cover and pull it into

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Speaker 1: their apartment. You know, I am screwed. They say, you know,

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Speaker 1: anything you do when you're a kid that's you know,

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Speaker 1: crazy and dumb, Your kids are gonna do that same

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Speaker 1: ship just so that you know it's karma, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's coming back to you, dam Yeah, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 1: That's exciting though. Man, I'm very very happy for He's

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Speaker 1: so glad that everything went well, and and now it's

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Speaker 1: of days. What's it like having three kids? Well, let

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Speaker 1: we are in a the adjustment phase. Right, so we're home. Um,

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Speaker 1: it anyway. It's like a hurricane is offshore from your

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Speaker 1: You know, sh it is going to hit the fan

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Speaker 1: really soon, but you're just almost like you're ignoring it

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Speaker 1: well here here, just just there, here's a fix. Go

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Speaker 1: and go on the room, lock yourself in the closet

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Speaker 1: of this. You'll be good, right, absolutely, Well, this is

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Speaker 1: a good advice for me, Dan, I appreciate that. Um,

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Speaker 1: got some. I've got some baby related news too. Okay,

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Speaker 1: a boy. Oh you got a little baby boy, Kenyan

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Speaker 1: coming in February. So that's crazy. Man. You think it

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Speaker 1: Was was your wife like, did she would did she

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Speaker 1: I'm to be honest, I have so many other things

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Speaker 1: have made up the decision Mentally I may go Sunday,

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Speaker 1: I may not, But uh, I'm just kind of I'm

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Speaker 1: And I'm obsessively already checking the weather forecast and I

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Speaker 1: still certainly be better than it was, you know, this

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Speaker 1: hay bale is much bigger, just much better structure for it. UM.

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Speaker 1: And that's tucked in their super nice because I put

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Speaker 1: and it are it looks like hey Belle anyway, so

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Speaker 1: don't know who Todd is or maybe who you are,

427
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 1: can you just give us a quick like one on

428
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: one on what you guys are doing over bow hunting

429
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: dot com or bow hunting dot com and bo Hunter

430
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 1: Die and all that good stuff. Sure? Yeah, So, um,

431
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: you know Todd when we refer to him as Todd Graff,

432
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 1: he's the owner of bow hunting dot com. You know,

433
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 1: I've been working for Todd for about I want to

434
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 1: say fourteen years now. Him and I have been working together,

435
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: uh you know when I first started working for him.

436
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: You know, Todd owns an I T consulting company and

437
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: a web development company. So that's what we do, Like,

438
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: that's our real jobs, right. I build websites for people,

439
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of people in the hunting industry.

440
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: But then, you know, because Todd was a pretty smart

441
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: dude back in the nineties, he bought a bunch of

442
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: domain names, bow hunting dot com being one of them.

443
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: Uh So we started that website. I want to say

444
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: it's been about ten years ago now or maybe just

445
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: shy a ten years maybe nine years now. And uh

446
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: so we started that website back in the day. Um

447
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 1: kind of is just doing some e commerce stuff and

448
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: then we kind of got out of doing e commerce

449
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: and we really just focused mostly on information. So you know,

450
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: anything and everything you could want to know about bow

451
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 1: hunting we try to have on bow hunting dot com,

452
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: whether it's stories, how to gear reviews. We do a

453
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: lot of coverage at the A T A show every

454
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: year filming new products. Uh And then about oh gosh,

455
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: I think it's seven years ago now, because we're in

456
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: our eighth season, we decided for some crazy reason to

457
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: start an online hunting show. We figured we had this

458
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 1: awesome platform with bow hunting dot Com. Uh So we

459
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: started our show, which we call bow Hunter Die. We're

460
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 1: in our eighth season now, um and it's a hundred

461
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: percent online, so you watch it, you know, through the website,

462
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,439
Speaker 1: through our Roku channel through YouTube. You can download it

463
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,000
Speaker 1: through it tunes. We have an Apple TV channel and

464
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: we're actually just getting ready to launch our mobile app

465
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: here the next week or so, once the fine folks

466
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 1: at Apple approved that and uh get it pushed out.

467
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: Some the guys will be able to, you know, get

468
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: notifications right on their phone when a new episode goes live.

469
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: So that's kind of our our spiel and what we

470
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: do over here at bow hunting dot Com and and

471
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: bow Hunter Die. That's awesome. Well, you guys really do

472
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 1: have one of the best online hunting shows out there.

473
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 1: I've always enjoyed it. Um, but I've seen sometimes, you know,

474
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: you guys lots of times before hunt on your show

475
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: you have like a little profile of the hunter talking

476
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: a little bit about you know who, this is, what

477
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: he's doing. And I've I've seen you sometime listed as

478
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: Todd's man servant. Is that acting? Yeah, that's that's my

479
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 1: little joke I get to, uh, I get week to

480
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: make up our little fun facts are a little occupations

481
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: for our intro. So yeah, that's that's kind of what

482
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: I call it. You know, I get the glorious title

483
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: of general manager here, which pretty much means you get

484
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: to do a little bit of everything. So I pretty much,

485
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 1: you know, run I'd say nine of the day to

486
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: day operations for you know, really three of our businesses,

487
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: I T consulting, web development, and bow hunting dot com.

488
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: So it keeps me busy here at the office while

489
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 1: while Todd's out killing most of the time. And you

490
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 1: got the row on to the deal there. Yeah. Everyone

491
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: thinks working in the hunting industry is great until you

492
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: actually have to do the work part. So speaking of

493
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: raw deals, just before we start recording, uh, you know,

494
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: we were talking about how Dan has had his third

495
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: and you have three kids too, that video for sure.

496
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: So how how has having three kids impacted your hunting

497
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: so far? Um? Well, I tell you what. We had

498
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 1: our third last year, smack in the middle of the

499
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: hunting season. It was October, so that definitely through a

500
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: wrench in my works last year. I still got to

501
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: hunt a fair amount, um, but you know, I kept

502
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: everything local. I didn't really travel at all last year

503
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: to hunt, and at my local spots that I hunt,

504
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: I just didn't really have the caliber a year I

505
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: was looking to shoot last year, so I ended up

506
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: not shooting a buck shot a couple of those last year,

507
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: and that was it. Uh. Fortunately, now that you know,

508
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 1: we're a year into number three, just about things have

509
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: kind of leveled back out in in a smooth sailing

510
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,359
Speaker 1: ahead hopefully. So I'm pretty optimistic that I'm gonna be

511
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: able to hunt hunt a fair amount this fall, much

512
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: to the dismay of my wife, I'm sure, but she

513
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: gets to stay home now she doesn't have to work anymore.

514
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,479
Speaker 1: So the trade off was kind of, uh, you do

515
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 1: that and I'm gonna go hunt. So I do have

516
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: a couple of trips to Kansas, uh plan for later

517
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: this fall. And then I have a couple of really

518
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: good bucks that I'm change us in here locally at

519
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: home in Illinois. Finally. Uh So yeah, I'm I'm pretty

520
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: excited to get this show on the road here come

521
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 1: October one. Have you thought about hiring a babysitter while

522
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: you're gone to lighten the load, because I think I'm

523
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: going to be doing that this year. You see, I

524
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: just don't have enough money for that, so so I

525
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: just will be calling in favors to family members. You

526
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 1: want to talk about a raw deal, I'll tell you, guys,

527
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: this my my wife's sister is turning for to you

528
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: this year. So they decided they want to go on

529
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: a little girl's weekend. They're going on like a four

530
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: day cruise or sister and some friends, and they planned

531
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 1: this for November second through November six. That was the

532
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: date that they picked to go on this cruise. So

533
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: I am flying solo on dad duty for those few days, which,

534
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: unfortunately I don't have much of a leg to stand

535
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: on because I'm gone in Kansas for like five days

536
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: immediately before that, and then like another four days if

537
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 1: I don't tag out pretty soon after at So I

538
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: kind of just bit my tongue and said, you know

539
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: what it is, what it is? Hopefully I have a

540
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: dear killed November in Iowa. Um, you can drop your

541
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: kids off at hospitals. I guess it's called like a

542
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: safe zone or something, and they don't ask really any questions.

543
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: I think that's like, if you want to give them

544
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: up permanently, I'm not to come back later and reclaim them.

545
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: Changed my mind, I'm to pick the kids up. That's

546
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: that's an interesting plan. I'm gonna at least I'm gonna

547
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: give it a try. Yeah, So I plan on calling

548
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: in favors to family members where I can. Fortunately, the

549
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: two biggest bucks I'm hunting are are both local to me,

550
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: within fifteen twenty minute drive of the house. Uh, which

551
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: will make things pretty pretty nice for this fall. That is,

552
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: the kids in the car exactly, make sure their iPads

553
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: are charged up, and I'll be back in a couple

554
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: of hours. Yeah, Dan, Dan was just talking about how

555
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: he compares his children to junkies and he just revising

556
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: their fix when he needs a little alone time. It's

557
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: kind of a fairly accurate statement. When they're really, really little,

558
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: it's mostly just food, and then once they get bigger,

559
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: it becomes iPads and other things. Well, I've got lots

560
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: to learn, it seems, that's for sure. Yes you do, Yes,

561
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: you do. So. So you said you got a couple

562
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: of good local bucks. What's the story on them? Yeah?

563
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: You know. Um, the biggest story I think I get

564
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: asked the most about. Um was, you know, last year

565
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: one of the farms that I hunt, I passed on

566
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: a really great deer. Uh. A lot of people that

567
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: watch our show told me I was insane to let

568
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: him walk by me, but uh, he ended up we

569
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: ended up picking up both of his sheds. He scored

570
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: right about a hundred UM, But I knew he was

571
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: a three year old, and I really just wanted to

572
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: see what was going to happen if he made it

573
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: to four. That particular spot is a boat only area,

574
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: there's no gun hunting, it's a private farm. There's only

575
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: two of us that hunt it. It's pretty big, uh,

576
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: So I felt like he had a really good opportunity

577
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: to make it through. Fortunately he did. Um and as

578
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: I suspected, you know, when he went from from two

579
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 1: to three, he jumped from probably to push in one

580
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: sixty um, and then he made another jump from three

581
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: to four. I'm gonna guess him in the high one eighties,

582
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: low one nineties this year. Um. Yeah, he's a great dear.

583
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it's the biggest deer I've ever had

584
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: an opportunity to to know that I'm hunting, uh in

585
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: my twenty five or so years of hunting now. So

586
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: I feel pretty fortunate to be able to chase a

587
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: deer of that caliber. I'd really like to see what

588
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: he looks like at five or six, but I'm not

589
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: letting him walk by me again. If he happens to

590
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: come by at four years old. I am not that

591
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: kind of guy that's not going to shoot that deer

592
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: this year. So yeah, he's kind of my number one target. Um.

593
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: And then when I've got another farm that I hunt

594
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: that's got a really nice, super clean ten point that's

595
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: probably going to score in the one sixties would be

596
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: my guest. Maybe mid to upper one sixties is a

597
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: ten um. So yeah, those are those are the two

598
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,479
Speaker 1: deer that I'm really going to be primarily targeting for

599
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: this fall. What's this stuff like? So this is northwest Illinois,

600
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: you said, So are we getting into like the hills

601
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: near the Mississippi yet or is it? No? So we're

602
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: like where I'm here local, we're almost like northeast Illinois. Um.

603
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: So the big deer that I'm hunting is in Lake County, UM,

604
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: which basically extends all the way to Lake Michigan, hence

605
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 1: the name UM. So we're in northeast. We do a

606
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: lot of our hunting in northwestern Illinois. Uh. Todd actually

607
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: owns a farm out there, and we've got some leases

608
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: and some other property. So that is the real you know,

609
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: hilly kind of bluff country right along the Mississippi there. Um.

610
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: But with these two deer local here at home, ones

611
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: in Lake County, ones in mckenry County. Um. You know,

612
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: the terrain here is fairly flat, small wood lots um

613
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: in between subdivisions and whatever agriculture remains. So it's you know,

614
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: it's really suburban hunting, uh, sitting in your tree stand

615
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: and listening to dogs barking and traffic and by. But

616
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, when you've got a couple of really good

617
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: deer to chase, you know a lot of times I've

618
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: been guilty of leaving to chase the experience, I think

619
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: more than the deer, because hunting around here doesn't bring

620
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: with it to me anyways, the same feeling that I

621
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: get when I go out west, or I go up north,

622
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: or I go somewhere where it's more rural. Um. But

623
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: with three kids at home and two giant bucks to chase,

624
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: I'm not going really much of anywhere this year. I'll

625
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: be going after those deer. Is there anything dramatically different

626
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: about how you actually have to hunt or how these

627
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: deer behave in these suburban areas compared to your western,

628
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: more rural spots. Uh, yeah, definitely. I mean out here,

629
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: it's a lot of really small wood lots. Um. There's

630
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: just not a lot of big timber around anymore. So,

631
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, access is always one of the hardest things

632
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: of being able to get in somewhere, and that you know,

633
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: booger all the deer up on your way, either in

634
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: or out. Um. A lot of there's a misconception out

635
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 1: there a lot of times that when you're hunting these

636
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: suburban deer that they're kind of stupid and they don't

637
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: care about about people intruding into their their land. But

638
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: I can tell you they're every bit as cautious as

639
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: any other deer I've ever hunted. Uh, you know, especially

640
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: when you get some of these older age class bucks.

641
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 1: Sure you can drive around some of these areas that

642
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: are ultra populated with little force preserves in them, and yeah,

643
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: the deer damn your eat right out of your hand. Um.

644
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: But in a normal situation like where I'm at, I mean,

645
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: believe me, a deer gets not windy, and it's it's

646
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: gone no differently than any other deer. Um. And I

647
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: think what makes hunting around here even probably more difficult, uh,

648
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: is that our dear really don't come out into the

649
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: open very much. Until dark, because there's your hard pressed

650
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: to find a field, edge or somewhere that a deer

651
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: can come out into that can't be seen from a

652
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: house or a road. Um and especially a bigger buck man.

653
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean, there's still just so many people and so

654
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: much traffic and activity. They step out into a field

655
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: for thirty seconds and there's cars pulled over on the

656
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: side of the road, you know, looking at them. Uh So,

657
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, it makes it difficult because they just you

658
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: know those hunts that you see, you know when we

659
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: all watch videos or you know, we're Dan's out in

660
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: freaking Iowa or there's this giant bucks running across the

661
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: cornfield and they come running in, like, don't happening here.

662
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: Shut your mouth, guys, I'm telling your god, dang it

663
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: last the last. Oh Man. Everybody's like, dude, but you're

664
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: in Iowa, Dude, but you're in Iowa. I'm not hunting

665
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: on the same properties that like the Druries or Lakowski

666
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: is hunting on, right. I don't like, you can't, you can't.

667
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,720
Speaker 1: We don't need to divulge your secrets, which you can't complain.

668
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: I can't complain. But it's you know, the only difference

669
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: really between uh, where some some people are hunting and

670
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: where I hunt is just giant racks. Sure, that's that's

671
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: really the only difference. The age class. I mean, yeah,

672
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: that's maybe a little bit bump in the age class

673
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: compared to you know, Illinois or like Minnesota or Wisconsin.

674
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 1: But I'm still hunting on a arm that's not mine.

675
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm still hunting on a uh you know, it's it's

676
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: got pressure, you know, it's active. So I don't know,

677
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean it's never easy, right. Well, there's

678
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: a huge misconception by a ton of people that, you know,

679
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: everything you see on you know, TV, quote unquote or

680
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: online or wherever you're watching it these days, you know

681
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: that some for some reason, those people are hunting in

682
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 1: different situations or scenarios than you are. And in some

683
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: cases that true, But I think the majority of cases,

684
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: I mean, think about how many people are filming hunts

685
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, it's not just the juries and

686
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: the Lokowskis. I mean, there's plenty of dudes like us

687
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: out there filming hunts that are just on you know,

688
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: small little eighty you know, forty acres, twenty acres, eighty

689
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 1: acre pieces that we're sharing with other guys, and we're

690
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: dealing with the same stuff that everybody else deals with,

691
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: you know. But there's the right way and the wrong

692
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: way to hunt it and being smart and guys that

693
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: are successful on a on a regular basis doesn't necessarily

694
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 1: mean that they have the greatest spot in the world.

695
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: Sometimes they're just better hunters, you know. And I've just

696
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: got to come to the realization, hey man, some people

697
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: are better hunters than I am. That's that's okay. I'm

698
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: confident in my abilities and what I know how to do,

699
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: but I'm also not foolish enough to believe that, you know,

700
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: the greatest hunter that's ever walked the planet Earth. Yeah,

701
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: that's a good perspective to have. Um. It probably helps

702
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: keep the frustration level maybe one tiny bit below ten

703
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: at all times, so I think. So anyways, you've got

704
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: to maintain some sort of sanity, and you've got to

705
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: set your your expectations to a realistic level. You know.

706
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: I can't expect every year to go out and try to,

707
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, kill a one eight or one ninety when

708
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: most of the time there isn't one there, you know.

709
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: I think that's probably another huge misconception that people have.

710
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: And I know that Mark, You've touched on it in

711
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: a few podcasts, you know, just talking about like for example,

712
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 1: Holy Shield. You know, there's a deer that just like

713
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: huge body, you know, but he's just don't have the

714
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: genetics to be a hunter eight you know, And there's

715
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: plenty of those are in Iowa, there's plenty of them

716
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: in Illinois. They're all over the place. You know. I've

717
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: got a farm that I leased in northwestern Illinois right

718
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: now that we probably have eight or ten bucks on

719
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: trail camera this summer. I don't think I have one over.

720
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 1: I got a deer out there. I don't know how

721
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: old he is, but he's a tank. He's gonna be

722
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: three D plus ponds on the during the summer, and

723
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: he's like an eight inch rack. I mean, it's like, yeah,

724
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: he's just doesn't have the genetics, you know, and it's

725
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: just just the way it is. So is he a

726
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: shooter still for you? I think so, you know, and

727
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: here in Illinois were very fortunate to get you know,

728
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: two bucks as a resident. So you know, I'm not

729
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: planning on hunting that farm a ton where I live

730
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: here and where we hunt here. There's just not a

731
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: lot of deer in general anymore. You know, we've had

732
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: c w D now for well over a decade. Um,

733
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: we have a lot of sharp shooting going on, which

734
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 1: I know is kind of a heated debate um with hunters.

735
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: You know, they got signs up all over the place

736
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: to tell the Leonardo stop sharp shooting the deer. So,

737
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: just in general, the deer numbers around here are down.

738
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: So I don't intend on shooting a dough. I don't

739
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 1: think on either one of my local farms. There's just

740
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: not a lot of them. Um. So if I want

741
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: to shoot a dough and get some meat, I really

742
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: needed to to head out to my lease, which unfortunately

743
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: is about two hours away. So while I'm out there

744
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: trying to shoot a dough. Uh, you know, if one

745
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: of these more mature bucks walks by, I'm absolutely going

746
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: to shoot him. Um. I like shooting deer as much

747
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: as the next guy, and I'm not going to hold out,

748
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,959
Speaker 1: you know, for a one sixty year better a good

749
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: four or five six seventy eight year old deer walks

750
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: in front of me, He's getting a narrow flung at him. Okay,

751
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: now let's say though, Let's say you fill your tag

752
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 1: on a on a buck like that, Yep, your first tag,

753
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: you got your second and final tag, and you still

754
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: have this one eighty running around and this one sixty

755
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 1: that you've been talking about that you're hoping to see. Now,

756
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: do you pass on other mature bucks because you want

757
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: to save that last tag for one of those two?

758
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: Or would you still take your first opportunity to mature buck.

759
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: I'd probably pass for one of those two. I mean,

760
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: I don't need to fill that second tag. You know,

761
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: for some reason, this big gear happens to elude me

762
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: or my buddy Mike that I hunt with, or all

763
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,839
Speaker 1: the cars that are around, and make it till five.

764
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be disappointed. I'll actually be pretty

765
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: excited to see what he turns into next year. Um

766
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: but believe me, I'm gonna hunt my ass off and

767
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: try to kill him this fall to make sure that

768
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. But if it does, I'm not gonna be

769
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,879
Speaker 1: mad about it. So yeah, I mean, if I fill

770
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: that first tag, the second one is earmarked most likely

771
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: for the bigger of the two. Even that one sixty

772
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: I may not even I may not even hunt that

773
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: farm at all. I mean, you just focus solely on

774
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: that other buck, uh and try to kill him with

775
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: that second tag. But that would be a great problem

776
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: to have. I guess I'll cross that bridge if and

777
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: when I get there. Right right now, you mentioned a

778
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: second ago to c w D in your area there. Um,

779
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: do you get your dear tested that you kill in

780
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: that area? Yep? I do. I have not. I know

781
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: a couple of folks who have UM in this area,

782
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: but I personally have not. No, none of mine have

783
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: tested positive yet. Our infection rate is still pretty low

784
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: in Illinois, even in what they consider kind of our

785
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: hot spots where they're you know, the c w D

786
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: kind of like the ground zero spot and some of

787
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: these areas of really high deer densities. Um, you know,

788
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: our infection rates are probably still sub ten in adult males,

789
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, whereas up in Wisconsin, Iowa County that area. Um,

790
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: you know you're starting to see forty infection rates and

791
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: adult males that are tested up there. So you know

792
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: that that's that's the debate, right, I Mean, guys don't

793
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 1: want that DNA are sharp shooting the deer because they

794
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: want to see more deer right. We're hunters. When we

795
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: go out, we want to see deer, and it is

796
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: frustrating when you go out and you see a deer

797
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: every second or third or fourth sit. It does make

798
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: for a long season. But at the same time, you know,

799
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question that what the DNR

800
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: is doing to keep deer numbers in check has certainly

801
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: helped slow the spread of the disease. As we all know,

802
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: there's nothing we're gonna do to st op it, um,

803
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: but we do need to try to do what we

804
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: can to to slow it down. So, I mean, I'm

805
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: in favor of what the dn R is doing. I

806
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: believe in it. Uh, there's a lot of hunters out

807
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: there that don't and will probably be mad at me

808
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: for saying this. Um, But I mean there's places out there,

809
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, in Illinois where there's just simply too many deer,

810
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: especially in northwestern Illinois. Um, they go do aerial surveys

811
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: with helicopters, and when you've got deer density of forty

812
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: fifty sixty deer per square mile, like there's just too

813
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: many deer there, the dna R wants to go in

814
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: and send the numbers out in those specific areas, they

815
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: do aerial surveys. They section each county off into zones.

816
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: They do a survey in that zone and see how

817
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: many deer in it during the winter when they're snow

818
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: on the ground. Then they say, we want to shoot

819
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 1: x number of deer out of the zone, and to

820
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: try to bring the numbers down, they try to work

821
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 1: with private landowners to say, hey, can we come in

822
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: and sharp shoot. Most of them say no because they're like,

823
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, screw you. We don't want you to come

824
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: in here and shooting our deer. Um they And then

825
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: the big thing that hunters always say is why don't

826
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: you just let us do it? Right? If you're gonna

827
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: shoot them, let us do it. Well, in Illinois, we

828
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: have unlimited dough tags, right, we excuse my doughs we

829
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: want with archery equipment. Um, but nobody's out doing that, right,

830
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: So everybody says like, well, why don't you just let

831
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: us do it? But then they don't actually do it

832
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: because again they want to see a lot of deer.

833
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: So there's not a lot of options, you know, for

834
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,400
Speaker 1: the d n R when it comes to trying to

835
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: control this. So sharpshooting has has truly proven to be.

836
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: I believe the best option on the table um, contrary

837
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: to the dismay of a lot of hunters and what

838
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 1: they may believe. Um, so yeah, I mean, it is

839
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: what it is. You take the good with the bad.

840
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: We still have some great deer, we have some great hunting. Hopefully,

841
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: at some point in time, somebody will find a vaccine

842
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: or a cure or something. I mean, even if it's

843
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 1: ten twenty years from now, I know they're working on it.

844
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: So let's just hope that happens. Yeah, yeah, I agree

845
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,799
Speaker 1: with you there. And it's it's one of those things,

846
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: like to your point, when it's when it's a low

847
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: infection rate, it's easy for people say, oh, it's not

848
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: that big of a deal. It's been here, blah blah blah.

849
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,800
Speaker 1: But you know, like you set up in some of

850
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: those spots in Wisconsin were or bucks have, you know,

851
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: are positive what happens when well, already I think a

852
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: lot of people are very hesitant to eat that meat.

853
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: What happens if someday in the next few years or

854
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: ten years or something, it comes to light that there

855
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: has been a case that has transmitted to humans, then

856
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: then I think you have a lot of questions and concerns,

857
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: and if you can't shoot the meat of a deer,

858
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: you kill anymore where you hunt? Um, what does that

859
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: mean for the future of hunting? Yeah, I mean, I

860
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: I know that. I mean, I just listened to you

861
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: on on Ronella's podcast here recently. I listened to him

862
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: a lot, and you know, I'm always interested in his

863
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 1: talks about c w D. And you know, I'm of

864
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: the belief that you know, Yeah, I mean, should somebody

865
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: realize that when they eat a CWD positive animal, there

866
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: is a one in a billionth chance you're gonna get sick. Sure,

867
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: you know, but honestly, I mean not to be a

868
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: debbie down here, but any one of us have a

869
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: better chance of getting, you know, in a car accident

870
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: on our way to go hunting and get killed from

871
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: that or get struck by lightning even than we do

872
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: a country acting c w D from eating a deer

873
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: that's positive. So you just have to keep everything in perspective,

874
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: like I wouldn't be hesitant to do it. Um, it's

875
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 1: it's the odds of it happening are virtual easier as

876
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: of right now, they are zero. It's never happened, not

877
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: to say that it can't or won't. My bigger concern

878
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: over you know, humans getting infected with it, UH is

879
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: more or less. You know, what does the hunting industry

880
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,479
Speaker 1: look like in ten, fifteen, twenty years when you start

881
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: seeing infection rates in adult males? Uh? You know that

882
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: keep increasing? You know, and as we all know, once

883
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: a deer contracts c w D, it's fatal. They're gonna die.

884
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: Um so, and a lot of your younger bucks contracted.

885
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 1: You know, let's say a year and a half old

886
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: deer contracts it. Let's say he's dead by the time

887
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: he's two or three years old. In a lot of

888
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: cases he's dying from hunters or natural causes, or cars

889
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. But if they start dying from c w

890
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: D and those deer aren't making it to four or five,

891
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: six years old, let's face it. I mean, that's kind

892
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: of what makes the hunting industry go around. We all

893
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: love me, we all love venison. That's that's d of

894
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: the core of why we hunt, right But beyond that,

895
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: we like we like the thrill of chasing big bucks.

896
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: Big bucks makes hunting go around. And when those big

897
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: bucks stop existing or exist, in such a low number

898
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 1: that people can't chase him anymore. What is that? What

899
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: does that look like for the hunting industry? Does that

900
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: mean guys start turning towards other hobbies, doing other things, um,

901
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: which takes money out of the industry, you know, which

902
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,640
Speaker 1: takes money out of conservation. I mean there's this kind

903
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: of whole snowball effect that you know, we may not

904
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: see the ramifications of it for ten fifty thirty years,

905
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: but when all of our kids are our age, what's

906
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: that landscape gonna look like? You know? That's I'm kind

907
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: of thinking, you know, bigger picture wise. You know. Yeah,

908
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: it sucks when the DNR shoots some deer and I

909
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: don't see as many, but I still have the opportunity

910
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: to go hunt. There's plenty of deer here. I could

911
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: kill a deer every year, you know, and now I

912
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: have to worry about needing the meat. But what's that

913
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: can look like in thirty forty years from now? Yeah? Yeah,

914
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 1: I think I think to your point, it's there's a

915
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 1: lot of questions still, and if if things keep going

916
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: the way they're going and we don't start finding solutions,

917
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: or if you don't take this seriously, there are some

918
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: concerning things that could be on the horizon. So I think,

919
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: even though we don't have any answers right now, I

920
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: think it's just let's not pretend this isn't an issue.

921
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: Let's not put our heads in the sand and just

922
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: try to pretend everything's okay. Let's actually be serious about it,

923
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: continue to better understand it, UM, and support those organizations

924
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: or our state agencies that are trying to do their

925
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: best to get their get their hands on this. I'm

926
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: going to uh A symposium in Michigan next week, a

927
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: CWD symposium is what they're calling it, where they're having

928
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: experts from all across the country come in and discuss

929
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: research and different best practices and all this kind of stuff,

930
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,759
Speaker 1: and I'll be really interested to hear what they have

931
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,720
Speaker 1: to share. So UM, I'm glad to see that states

932
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: like Michigan and others are trying to be be stay

933
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: on top of it, I guess would be the best

934
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 1: way to put it and do the best they can.

935
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: And I hope that continues, and that, like you said,

936
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: justin hopefully vaccine or something comes down the line here

937
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: soon so we don't have a future thirty years from

938
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: now that it's got a lot of big question marks.

939
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: Like you said, yeah, oh, it would be nice if

940
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: a lot of hunters would would do more to educate

941
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,919
Speaker 1: themselves about the disease um, what it is, how it's transmitted.

942
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people out there that just I

943
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: don't know that. There's literally people that think that like

944
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: this doesn't even exist, Like it's not even a real thing.

945
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,439
Speaker 1: It's made up. It's a government conspiracy here, it's being

946
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: backed by the insurance companies. Are all these just crazy

947
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories that you know, just simply aren't true. You know,

948
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: I think that's not even the the average Joe who

949
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: thinks that that's leaders in the industry that yeah, yeah,

950
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: it it is. Dan, I agree with you. I mean,

951
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: if people would just take the time to do some research,

952
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: educate themselves, you know, and make an important decision, and

953
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: I guess to open that discussion of I mean that

954
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: goes for all things in life. There's a lot of

955
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: crap going on in the world right now, for better

956
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: or for worse. With social media, there's a lot of

957
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: people that kind of just fall for stupid headlines and

958
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: what other stupid people are saying. I wish everybody would

959
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: just kind of stop for a minute, use your own brain,

960
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: do some research before you make an opinion, and then

961
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: go spouting it off to everybody. Yeah, but that's a

962
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: that's a whole another tangent we don't have to get into.

963
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk about let's talk about killing deer. Yeah, let's

964
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,280
Speaker 1: talk about something good. Um, I want to hear about

965
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: because you kind of intrigued me when you've been talking

966
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: about your kind of suburban hunting situation there and these

967
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: couple of giant bucks. Um, so what does your early

968
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: season plan look like getting after one of these two

969
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: big guys in this kind of scenario, because we actually,

970
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: I don't think Dan, we've ever talked to anyone but

971
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: maybe one person who's really talked about hunting in that

972
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: kind of suburban type area. So I'm kind of I'm

973
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: curious about what how you're approaching it, what your plans

974
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: are this year, and what are like some of the

975
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: tactics or thoughts that are on your mind as you

976
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: start the season. Right, Well, I think I'm really gonna

977
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: let you guys down here on that. I think you're

978
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: you're looking for something that's not there because I'll be

979
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: completely frank, I don't have any right now, um, and

980
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: for for a couple of different reasons. Um. Number one,

981
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: I've just because we start October one, and I don't

982
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: know about you guys, but I've never really had any

983
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 1: good luck in the first half of October with mature

984
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: box on their feet, at least where I'm at. Unless

985
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: we get a really good cold snap, that first couple

986
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 1: of days of the season just doesn't seem to happen.

987
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: Looks like we got a cold snap coming like tomorrow,

988
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: which is about four or five days too early for

989
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: for this Sunday being the opener. Uh. So, honestly, my

990
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,840
Speaker 1: plan is to not even really hunt either one of

991
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: those two deer, probably until starting in mid October. Um.

992
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 1: My plan actually is that is to take my little guy,

993
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: my five year old, out with me to sit in

994
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: the ground blind uh and try to shoot a dough

995
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: these first two weekends. I'm gonna use some of the

996
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: warmer weather and the fact that a lot of these

997
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: bigger bucks really aren't moving so much, um, or at

998
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: least if they are, I don't know where they're at.

999
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I haven't had the time or done

1000
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: the du eligence to try to figure that out. Um,

1001
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: but my plan is to kind of just lay off

1002
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: my two better spots these first couple of weeks, um,

1003
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: and then potentially you know when the when the wind

1004
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: and the weather is right, um, go in for some

1005
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: afternoon sits starting probably in mid October for those deer. Um,

1006
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be hunting either one of them very

1007
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: much before, like um about the seventh of October. I

1008
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: actually I'm gonna be in Kansas from I think the

1009
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: one through I have to be home for my son's

1010
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: first birthday on the UH. And then after that, like

1011
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: through Halloween is really when I plan on getting after

1012
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: those those two dear, you know when that pre rud

1013
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: is really kicking in. So my first couple of weeks here,

1014
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out with a little guy. I got

1015
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: a ground blind set up at my lease, and I'm

1016
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: gonna try to shoot a dough honestly, with with him

1017
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: in the blind with me. That's my my goal for

1018
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 1: the first couple of weekends here. It makes it makes

1019
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: sense given this scenario laying out there. Um, but do

1020
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: you do you do anything during that time period that

1021
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: you're actually hunting to still try together intel. I mean,

1022
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 1: do you have a trail camera situation going on? Anything else?

1023
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you doing to gain intel at

1024
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: that point? I mean, I'm a trail camera junkie. I

1025
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: mean I probably have cameras deployed right now between my

1026
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: various properties that I hunt. I don't check them very

1027
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 1: often this time of year. I'll check them usually when

1028
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 1: I go hunting. But I'll tell you what. The cellular

1029
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: trail cameras are fantastic. They text me pictures right to

1030
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: my phone, so I can I can keep an eye

1031
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 1: on what's going on that way. Um, you know, fortunately

1032
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: where the biggest buck is at. It's a property I've

1033
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: been hunting for a long long time. I know what

1034
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: the deer do. I generally know where they move kind

1035
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: of when they move, when that pre rut starts heating up.

1036
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: All my stands have been set mostly in the same

1037
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: places for a few years now. They're all trimmed and

1038
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 1: ready to go, So now it's kind of just waiting

1039
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: for the right time to get in there and and

1040
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: and go after them. But yeah, definitely, trail camera data

1041
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: is gonna tell me a lot. And then I'll just

1042
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: watch the weather you know, I'm a firm believer in

1043
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: these hold fronts, uh in you know, early to mid October,

1044
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: even through late October. If we can get a good

1045
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: cold front, because these spots are local, I'll just sneak

1046
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: out of work early in an afternoon and go home,

1047
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: you know, and try to capitalize on those those weather fronts. Yeah.

1048
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 1: So if you're a big boy doesn't show up, you know,

1049
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: because you've punted this property for a long time. If

1050
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 1: he doesn't show up on trail camera for like, uh,

1051
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: I don't know, in between a couple of checks, are

1052
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: you worried at any point that this buck has maybe

1053
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: been shot or has disappeared, or you know your property

1054
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: well enough that he's probably could still be there and

1055
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: it's just on a different piece of the property. Uh,

1056
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: I'd say. I mean, if I went, you know, three

1057
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: or four weeks without a picture, I would probably get worried.

1058
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: But you know, if I check cameras and then go

1059
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: back the next week and check them and don't have them,

1060
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. That doesn't ever worry me. I mean, I

1061
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: didn't get pictures of that year this summer until gosh,

1062
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: mid August. I want to say it was before I

1063
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: got any summer time pictures of him in velvet, So,

1064
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: I mean I was starting to get a little worried,

1065
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: thinking like where is he? Um, But then he showed

1066
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: up and he's been a regular on camera. I mean

1067
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: he's on I got one cellular camera on that farm

1068
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: on a scrape and he's there every three or four

1069
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: nights now, pretty regularly during the middle of the night. Um.

1070
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: So I wake up in the morning and I got

1071
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,439
Speaker 1: a picture of him on my phone kind of doing

1072
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: it his weekly rounds. So yeah, I'm not super super concerned.

1073
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: I mean there's guys on around me on neighboring properties,

1074
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: I know most of them, um, And I think it

1075
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: probably has a better chance of getting hit by a

1076
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: car than he does killed by another hunter. Um. Just

1077
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: where we're at, I've got a four lane you know,

1078
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: the highway that that border is probably a mile of

1079
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 1: the property that I'm on. Uh So, I mean that's like,

1080
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: you know, seventy cars and trucks and semis all day,

1081
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: all night. So he's probably got a better chance of

1082
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: getting smacked by a car out there than he does,

1083
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, killed by another hunter. Now what about what

1084
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,320
Speaker 1: about the opposite, So the what if in the early

1085
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: season that cell camera starts showing daylight pictures of him,

1086
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: Are you gonna scrap your plan and all of a

1087
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: sudden decided to move in there? You are you staying

1088
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: on the march absolutely? I mean, I mean, you start

1089
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: getting daylight pictures of a buck, you better get your

1090
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: ass in there and kill him, you know, because I mean,

1091
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: once they start doing that, that's when they're they're killable.

1092
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: Why wait you know? So yeah, I mean I for

1093
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 1: some reason that happens absolutely generally speaking on this farm

1094
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 1: with the bucks of that age, and even with this buck,

1095
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: he usually doesn't start showing up daylight till the end

1096
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: of October. I think last year I had him like

1097
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: on the I don't remember, somewhere around there, first started

1098
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: showing up on scrapes during daylight. Um. So that's kind

1099
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 1: of been my plan is just wait till that, you know,

1100
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: later part of October um and get in there and

1101
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: try to kill him then. But if it happens sooner

1102
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: than than great, you know. I think there's a lot

1103
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: of there's a lot of guys out there that you know,

1104
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: and I know a few of them, and I hunt

1105
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: with her. I'm friends with it. I mean, they listen

1106
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 1: to all the podcast right, they read all the blogs,

1107
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 1: they watch all the YouTube videos, and there's so much

1108
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: information out there nowadays. It's like early season takets fine

1109
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: where the bucks bed and go in and get super

1110
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,799
Speaker 1: close to their their betting area, or the bump them

1111
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: and dump them and all these things that I just

1112
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,240
Speaker 1: think like they work sometimes, but the percentage of times

1113
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 1: that those things work, especially for a novice hunter, is

1114
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 1: so low. You know. I just feel like there's a

1115
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: lot of guys that just read something or hear something

1116
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: or see something and they just go out and do it.

1117
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: And man, I mean, I've always felt like you're kind

1118
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: of playing with fire if you get too aggressive too

1119
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 1: early in the year. You know, I've learned, as I

1120
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: get a little bit older to just relax a little bit,

1121
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 1: back it down, wait till the time's right, and go

1122
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 1: in and try to kill him. Then seem to have

1123
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: better luck doing that than I do getting super aggressive

1124
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: and trying to, you know, sneak in. You know, I

1125
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: got in this stand and I'm fifty yards from a

1126
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 1: bedded buck well. I mean, dude, I don't know about

1127
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: you guys, but that's a hard thing to do without

1128
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: spooking a deer, you know, So I prefer to just

1129
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: wait till the time is right when they're moving a

1130
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: little bit during the daylight, hit those scrapes. UM. I

1131
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: really kind of key in on scrapes and field edges

1132
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:12,879
Speaker 1: and maybe some food plots, you know, where the does

1133
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: are going to be at during uh late October and

1134
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: for the best. So so, speaking of like scrapes, you

1135
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: mentioned this in relation to trailt cameras too earlier. What

1136
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 1: what what? What is your trail camera kind of set

1137
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: up and plan in October? Do you have everything out

1138
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: already and you're just leaving it untouched until you start

1139
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: hunting more or do you move things around? Um? Curious

1140
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, my summertime, I usually put all of

1141
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: my cameras on field edges, um, just because I don't

1142
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 1: know about where you guys are at, but where we're

1143
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 1: at here are mosquitoes during the summer are god awful.

1144
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean they're horrendous. You can't even step foot in

1145
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: the woods, uh during the summertime without just getting destroyed

1146
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 1: by mosquitoes. So I try to keep everything on field

1147
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: edges where it's easy to check. Not a super far

1148
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: walk from the truck or I can pretty us drive

1149
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 1: right to it during the summertime and then usually right

1150
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: about the time when velvet comes off. Um, I move

1151
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 1: the vast majority of my cameras to scrapes just because

1152
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: I know that's where I'm going to get the most

1153
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: concentrated and best activity. Uh. And I feel like it's

1154
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: a good indicator of when the bucks really start moving

1155
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: during the daylight. So during the early part of the season,

1156
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: I'm not super religious about checking cameras, you know, I'll

1157
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: I'm an opportunistic camera checker. I'll check them on my

1158
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: way into or out of my stands if I happen

1159
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 1: to be going by one of them. But I'm not

1160
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that's gonna go circle through my

1161
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: whole property and check every camera one day like in

1162
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: early October. Um, you know, once we hit that fifteen

1163
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: to the twentieth, then I'll start trying to check them

1164
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: a little bit more regularly to see what bucks are

1165
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: showing up where and really try to key in on

1166
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: when you start seeing that first daytime activity of your

1167
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 1: bigger bucks. Anyways, on those scrapes, I feel like that's

1168
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: just a great indicator of what's happening, and it kind

1169
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: of lets you know when you should be gearing up

1170
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: to get in there. Mm hmm, so that mid October,

1171
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: mid to the later third of October. Then if we're

1172
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: saying that you took kind of a couple of weeks there,

1173
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: shoot does and stay out of your good spots. Now

1174
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: if we move up to or something in there, if

1175
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: we do get that cold front like you mentioned, or

1176
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: maybe you get a daylight picture that indicates, all right,

1177
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: maybe there's some daily activity going. What are the kinds

1178
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: of setups that you're gonna be in at that point?

1179
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: Is it scrapes like you just mentioned, or anything else

1180
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 1: like more detailed? Ah Man, I try to keep it

1181
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: simple and I try to stick to the basic principles

1182
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: that I feel are pretty solid no matter where you

1183
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: go hunt betting areas in the morning and food sources

1184
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 1: slash scrapes in the evenings. I'm a pretty simple dude.

1185
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: So you know, I've got a couple of morning setups

1186
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: where I feel like I can sneak into them without

1187
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:54,360
Speaker 1: disturbing the destination foods sources that are in or close

1188
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 1: to or on travel corridors. Back to betting, uh in October,

1189
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 1: in mid October, and then evenings. You know, I'm kind

1190
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: of an edge hunter. I don't like to push too

1191
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: far into the woods in the evenings. Um, So yeah,

1192
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean I key in on those scrapes, on those

1193
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: field edges, especially like around here. If I can find

1194
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: a field edge or something that's kind of hidden from

1195
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: view from a road or from a house, usually that's

1196
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: going to be the most active area during daylight. So

1197
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: I'll try to key on on those areas. Actually, the

1198
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 1: stand where I passed this buck last year, uh is

1199
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 1: right on kind of a field edge. Or the deer

1200
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 1: don't really come out into the field too much, but

1201
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: they parallel the field edge right on the inside of

1202
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: the woods kind of looking out into the field. They

1203
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: come out to this corner and they usually check a scrape, um,

1204
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: and they do one of two things. They either wait

1205
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: till dark to go out and cross the field, or

1206
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 1: they turn around the head back into the woods and

1207
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. So like that's a really good spot,

1208
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: like an evening spot for me. Um. And like I said, mornings,

1209
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: you know, especially in mid October, if you can get

1210
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: a cold front, something that's maybe going to keep those

1211
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: books on their feet a little bit later than they

1212
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: normally would be, uh, and you could sneak into one

1213
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: of those betting areas where you feel like you can

1214
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: truly get back in there before that deer is coming

1215
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: back to bed, and you can catch them back in there.

1216
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: Then then that's where I've traditionally had success in October.

1217
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: I've killed most of my October deer or bucks, i

1218
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: should say, on morning hunts, which I know is contrary

1219
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: to what a lot of people are saying these days.

1220
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: It's kind of like the trendy thing to do right

1221
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: now is like, don't hunt mornings in October. Um, I've

1222
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: killed deer on October eighteen nineteen, you know, and then

1223
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: we start getting Halloween. Like, I've killed deer on mornings

1224
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: all those all those days. But every one of them

1225
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:43,479
Speaker 1: is coincided with a with a cold front. Every single

1226
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: one of them is coincided with a significant drop in

1227
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: temperature that I believe has kept those bucks you know,

1228
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: out and about you know a little bit later, maybe

1229
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: checking scrapes looking for dose before they decided to go

1230
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: back to bed. Yeah, everything's everything's circumstantial, right, It's all

1231
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 1: based on this whatever the different conditions are and man,

1232
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 1: I desperately try to stay trendy, but you're absolutely right.

1233
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes there are circumstances where you need to break

1234
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:15,440
Speaker 1: the traditional rules. Um. I know, Dan just likes to

1235
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: go plowing right through the food sources straight into the

1236
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: bedding area every morning, and he just likes to get

1237
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: after it. But but we all did that when we

1238
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: were younger. I mean I remember being probably I don't

1239
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: know if I was in high school or maybe just

1240
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: like right in college eighteen nineteen somewhere and there. My

1241
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,000
Speaker 1: dad used to drive me up to the top of

1242
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: this field on the property we hunted. It was a

1243
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: cut corn field. You drive me all the way to

1244
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: the top of it, and I would walk across this

1245
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: cut corn fields, probably a hundred acre field. I would

1246
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: walk right on the peak of it, like the flat spot,

1247
01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: all the way across, probably a quarter mile or more

1248
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 1: across this cut corn field, and then I'd get into

1249
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: my stand. It was like ten yards on the inside

1250
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: the edge of the field, and there would be deer

1251
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 1: running everywhere every morning. When I walked in that field,

1252
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 1: I could see him with my light, you know, tails

1253
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: and eyeballs, and then I'd get in there and I

1254
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: get ready to hunt, and I'd see like one deer

1255
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: that morning, and I come on, be like, man, I

1256
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: don't know what happened. There was deer everywhere when I

1257
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,040
Speaker 1: walked in, and then and then I didn't see anything,

1258
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: you know, I just I guess I didn't know any

1259
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: better then until I learned, like, don't go pounding through

1260
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: the middle of the food source in the morning, and

1261
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: you'll have a lot better luck. Uh huh. There's a

1262
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: few basic principles like that that can make a big difference. Yeah, well,

1263
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,439
Speaker 1: I think you know, not to tune our own horns here.

1264
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: But the the really, the advent and the popularity of

1265
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: the Internet in general has really sped up the learning

1266
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: curve of today's hunter. You know, you can listen to

1267
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,439
Speaker 1: a podcast or read a blog or watch a YouTube video,

1268
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: and you can pick up information that used to take

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Speaker 1: you years to learn through trial and error. You know,

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01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many years I walked through

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01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: that stupid cornfield, you know, before one day something finally clicked.

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Speaker 1: But now, as a younger hunter, you know, you can

1273
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 1: the wealth of information that's available out there from experienced

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01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,440
Speaker 1: people with real world knowledge, Like it's just so much greater,

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01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: Like your learning curve is so much shorter nowadays, you know,

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01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: to become, you know, a halfway decent deer hunter, there's

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01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: you still can't replace experience, you know, but you can

1278
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 1: learn a lot of the basics a lot quicker than

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Speaker 1: that I went through with my trial and error. As

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Speaker 1: a young man. I used to hunt from the ground

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01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 1: a lot, used to do a lot of quote unquote

1282
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: still hunting when I thought that was a thing, because

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01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 1: you know, I've read a magazine article about it, and

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Speaker 1: uh so, my buddy Mike and I were in high school.

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01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: We'd go out hunting after school. You know. We we

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01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: had all of our clothes in the back seat of

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01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,919
Speaker 1: our car. We get out there to our hunting spot.

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Speaker 1: We get dressed, spray down with our earth scented everything.

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Speaker 1: We had waivers, and we'd and we'd walk out in

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Speaker 1: the woods and we'd clear spot extra tree. We didn't

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Speaker 1: hut out a tree, stands kick out some leaves next

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Speaker 1: to a tree and sit there and wait right and

1293
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: I'd wait in about a half hour before dark, when

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01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,240
Speaker 1: it was getting to be prime time, we were like, Okay,

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01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: now it's time to go do a little bit of

1296
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: still hunting. So we'd get up and start walking around

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01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: the woods and try to sneak from tree to tree

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01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 1: during that last prime time to see if we can

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01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 1: catch a deer on their feet. We had no rhyme

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Speaker 1: or reason as to where we were going or why

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01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: we were going there or anything, you know, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's a wonder we ever managed to happen into a

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Speaker 1: deer that let us shoot it. You know, that's awesome,

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01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 1: But it's funny looking back on those old days. Now.

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01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think we all have experiences their stories

1306
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 1: like that. All right, well, I think this is a

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Speaker 1: good place first take a quick break to thank our

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Speaker 1: partners at White Tail Properties and to check with them

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Speaker 1: for a weekly dose of white Tail wisdom. And here

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Speaker 1: to help us do that is Weird Hunt's very own,

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Speaker 1: very white impersonator, our producer, Spencer new Hearth. This week

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Speaker 1: with white Tail Properties, we are joined by Justin Mason,

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01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: a land specialists out of Kentucky, and Justin is gonna

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Speaker 1: be telling us about what government programs are available to

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Speaker 1: help landowners generate additional income on their property. So I

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01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,680
Speaker 1: think you know the number one thing to remember is

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 1: on your hunting property as long as you own it.

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Speaker 1: There are programs that you could be eligible for UM.

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01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: I kind of break them down into a couple of categories.

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Speaker 1: There are one time enrollment programs like the Wetland Reserve program.

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01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 1: You enroll the program one time, it pays up front,

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01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,919
Speaker 1: and then that you know, that program is established for

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01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,920
Speaker 1: a lot of times in the lifetime of the property.

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01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: The most common would be those annual payment programs like

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Speaker 1: CRP UM. It's short for Conservation Reserve Program and really

1326
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: what CRP does is it pays the landowner not to

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01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: farm the property, so it goes into either some sort

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01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: of UM annual program with either trees. You either play

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Speaker 1: some trees or a lot of It is uh kind

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Speaker 1: of a cool season drafts, which when you're hunting those

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01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: Midwest states and you see those CRP fields, that's that's

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Speaker 1: what a lot of those are enrolled in UM. So

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Speaker 1: those are probably the most common types of government programs.

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Speaker 1: If you'd like to learn more and to see the

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Speaker 1: properties that justin currently has listed for sale, visit white

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Speaker 1: tail properties dot com backslash Mason that's m A S

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Speaker 1: O N H. Gosh, how do things for you start changing?

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01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: Once we get into those rut phases. Um. I mean

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01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: there's like the there's the traditional things that we always

1340
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: talk about. Do you do you feel like your traditionalist

1341
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: when it comes to the rut? I mean hunting all day,

1342
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: hunting near betting ears or a pinch point, just put

1343
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: in the time, or do you do anything different again,

1344
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 1: I go back to I just like to keep it simple,

1345
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,120
Speaker 1: you know. I like to hunt pinch points and funnels

1346
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: during the rut when it's when the time's right and

1347
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 1: the most specifically, when the weather's right. I like to

1348
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: hunt all day when I can. Um a lot of

1349
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 1: my all day sits, I'll do like, uh, if I'm

1350
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: on a single piece of property, I might do like

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01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: a betting area in the morning, um, you know, and

1352
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,800
Speaker 1: hunt that through like a day. And then, you know,

1353
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:03,840
Speaker 1: sometimes you just need to break up the monotony, so

1354
01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: I'll get down and maybe walk a couple of hundred

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01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: yards to another stand on that same property and climb

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01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 1: up for the rest of the afternoon. Sit. You know,

1357
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: it's hard sitting in on a little tree stand all

1358
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: damn day. I mean, I do it, and I've done it,

1359
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: but I really prefer to get down, stretch my legs,

1360
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: eat a sandwich real quick, you know, maybe spend twenty

1361
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 1: minutes in between one stand in the next stand, um,

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01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: and then maybe hunt a food source in the evening.

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01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: Something along those lines. I'll do a lot um. But again,

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Speaker 1: I mean I try to be just a traditional stick

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: with the stuff that's worked for centuries. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to reinvent the wheel here. Bucks are going

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01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: to be moving in between betting areas, get in those funnels,

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Speaker 1: and those pinch points, hit the food sources in the

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01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: evenings because they're looking for does um. And then I

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Speaker 1: think maybe the one thing that I do that that's

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Speaker 1: more of a modern technique is you know, I do

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01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 1: move stands a lot during the season. Um. You know,

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01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,280
Speaker 1: we use all all lone wolf stuff, which I think

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01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: is you know, great, super portable. There's a lot of

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01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 1: good options on the market, probably more than there's ever

1376
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,880
Speaker 1: been for being able to do these running gun type setups.

1377
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm not the kind of guy that's like, well,

1378
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: I've had this stand here forever and it's always produced.

1379
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: But I hunt it twice and I see the deer

1380
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: using the other side of the field more than they

1381
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 1: have in the past. I'm yanking that standard, I'm grabbing

1382
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 1: a new one, and I'm going over there, and I'm

1383
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang in hunt. So I'm a really big

1384
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:27,839
Speaker 1: advocate of hunting fresh sign doing some in season scouting.

1385
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: Um that that's probably the one thing I do a

1386
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 1: lot of that I would consider more of a newer

1387
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: type of technique. So when you're doing that in season scouting,

1388
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: is that just scouting that's happening while you're already walking

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01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: from point A to point B. Or do you actively say,

1390
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna go explore a new spot or

1391
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: check out this region specifically because you want to scout

1392
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:51,759
Speaker 1: it a little bit of both. I'd say the majority

1393
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: of it is just weigh in and way out type

1394
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: stuff where it's like, oh, hey man, it looks like

1395
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: they're really using this. You know. I try to I

1396
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: try to park pretty far from where I'm hunting. The

1397
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: last last year, I got kind of lazy with with

1398
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: what I was doing, and I was driving entirely too

1399
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: far into my property and parking, and I think I

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01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 1: screwed up some of my hunts. But in the past, um,

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01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 1: you know, I try to, I try to park pretty

1402
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: far away and take the long way in just to

1403
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: avoid deer where I can, uh, So you get a

1404
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 1: lot of scouting done that way. And then a lot

1405
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,080
Speaker 1: of times what I'll do, honestly, like a good example is,

1406
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be out at my lease, it's two

1407
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: hours away, and i'll hunt let's say a Sunday morning,

1408
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: and I know I'm not coming back to that property

1409
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: toil maybe next weekend. I'm gonna go home that afternoon

1410
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,320
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hunt Sunday night local to home so

1411
01:09:36,320 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: I can get home. So I'll do my morning hunt

1412
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: and then I'll be like, you know what, I'm not

1413
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 1: coming back here for a week. I'll go walk that

1414
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: whole piece of property because I don't care if I

1415
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 1: if I spook something, if I bumped something. I need

1416
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: to know what's going on in there if I want

1417
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: to try to, you know, kill an animal. Obviously, if

1418
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of deer and I'm confident and

1419
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: where I'm at, I might not do that. But if

1420
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 1: it's like, man, I haven't really been seeing the deer

1421
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: that I'm used to, Let's go check camera. Let's go

1422
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: walk this whole thing and see what the hell is

1423
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 1: going on out there because patterns do change from year

1424
01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: to year. You know, food sources change every year, the

1425
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: neighbors are doing different things. Someone put a fence up,

1426
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: someone took a fence down, whatever the case may be. Um,

1427
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: I think having that knowledge of what's happening at that

1428
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: specific time and being able to move in on it

1429
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: quickly prevents it or offers a huge advantage for today's

1430
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 1: kind of modern hunter. Now, with with that said, you

1431
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: know you say patterns change. Mark and I on the

1432
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: show talk a lot about annual patterns. Let's say a

1433
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,759
Speaker 1: buck shows up, isn't on your property at all until

1434
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:43,320
Speaker 1: X day every year. Are you a fan or do

1435
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 1: you believe in annual patterns and do you have an

1436
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 1: example of maybe seeing that on any of the properties

1437
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: that you hunt? Yeah, definitely. I mean the annual patterns

1438
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,639
Speaker 1: are a pain in the ass for the most part,

1439
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: because you get these deer that show up in the

1440
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: summer and velvet, you know, and then they leave. So

1441
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 1: I've got one of those. The deer's I don't know,

1442
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: seven years old probably now. He shows up every year

1443
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: usually in August. Uh start when our our acorns dropped

1444
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: pretty early. Where we're at here, we got a lot

1445
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,360
Speaker 1: of white oak acorns on some of the farms that hunt,

1446
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:14,639
Speaker 1: so when those white oaks start dropping into the alfalfa fields.

1447
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: This buck shows up every year in August, stays for

1448
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, usually right untill about when the

1449
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,640
Speaker 1: velvet's going to come off, and then he disappears and

1450
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,800
Speaker 1: never to be seen again, never found a shed, nothing, Um,

1451
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 1: you know. Likewise, I usually have one or two bucks

1452
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: to show up every year in the fall that weren't

1453
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 1: there during the summer, that are just kind of relocating

1454
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. So yeah, I definitely believe in those

1455
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: those annual patterns. The bitch about those annual patterns, though, is,

1456
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 1: you know, as predictable as they are, they're usually based

1457
01:11:44,760 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: on like a per dear thing, Like each deer has

1458
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: got its thing it does. Some deer move, some dear don't.

1459
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,200
Speaker 1: I have some deer their home bodies and they just

1460
01:11:52,240 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: they're they're all year long. Some deer aren't. So it's

1461
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 1: really hard to base anything on that in a lot

1462
01:11:58,080 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: of cases if you don't know the deers even alive.

1463
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:03,519
Speaker 1: If I did that last year, um, the farm where

1464
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 1: I passed the big deer, we didn't have any bucks

1465
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: on camera older than three years old. And this is

1466
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: like a I don't know, six or eight hundred acre farm, right,

1467
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 1: there was nothing older than three years old. The year

1468
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:17,559
Speaker 1: prior to that, UM, all of our deer got either

1469
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 1: killed by neighbors or hit by cars. We lost like

1470
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: three or four really good bucks to cars that year.

1471
01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:25,720
Speaker 1: So last year I didn't have any deer older than

1472
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: three years old. But I knew that traditionally something would

1473
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: show up in November from across the road somewhere, and

1474
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 1: I'd have a good buck that would come through the

1475
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,760
Speaker 1: property at some point, usually later in November, say after

1476
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: thet So I hunted that farm pretty hard hoping that

1477
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 1: was going to happen, and it never did. Unfortunately, I

1478
01:12:45,080 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: never got a single trail camera picture I had a

1479
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 1: sighting of any deer on that farm older than three

1480
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,559
Speaker 1: years old. So I was hunting something that I was

1481
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 1: hoping was going to happen, Versus what I should have

1482
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: been doing was going to my other spot where I

1483
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: know I had to bona fide four year olds that

1484
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: I would have loved to shoot um. But for some reason,

1485
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: I was hung up on hunting this other farm, thinking

1486
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,280
Speaker 1: something's going to show up the other farm is a

1487
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:09,200
Speaker 1: little easier to hunt, better access. You know, I like

1488
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 1: my stand placement better. So I was like, I'm just

1489
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna keep going here. Something's got to show up eventually,

1490
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: and it just never happened. Um, and then I let

1491
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 1: the other farm with two shooters just sit for some

1492
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:21,719
Speaker 1: stupid reason. It wasn't a good wasn't a good choice.

1493
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: Happens the best, that's for sure. Um. Talking about tree

1494
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,719
Speaker 1: stand placement. If I want to rewind us a little

1495
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 1: bit to something you were saying earlier about the fact

1496
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,720
Speaker 1: that you run and gun a lot. One of the

1497
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:38,320
Speaker 1: things that I'm always challenged with is how many like

1498
01:13:38,520 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 1: observations or how many like data points do I need

1499
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 1: to see before I make that change. So let's say

1500
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on one side of clearing and I see

1501
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: a deer a buck on the opposite side. Do I

1502
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: need to see him once and then I should move?

1503
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: Or should I see him do the same thing twice

1504
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 1: and make the move? Or you know, what's the number

1505
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,360
Speaker 1: for you? Or when are you willing to say? Are

1506
01:13:59,479 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 1: that thresh has been passed? This time to pull and

1507
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: reset up? Ah? Man, That's that's a hard one, right

1508
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: because that's the uh. I saw him over there once,

1509
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: I moved my stand over there, and then as soon

1510
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: as I got there, he was back over you know.

1511
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,519
Speaker 1: So I usually like to say more than once. Uh.

1512
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,200
Speaker 1: For the most part, I think a lot of it

1513
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:21,879
Speaker 1: depends on the time of year. And for me, it's

1514
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,080
Speaker 1: not so much Al West sightings as it is signed

1515
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,799
Speaker 1: because I'm only in the woods so every so often.

1516
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I hunt weekends like everybody else. I sneak

1517
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 1: in a few evening hunts during the week, you know,

1518
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: in late October, and that's really about it. So I

1519
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: don't get as many like observational type sits as I'd

1520
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 1: like to have, as most of us would like to have.

1521
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: So I'm relying on trail camera data in a lot

1522
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: of cases, and I'm relying on sign I mean, if

1523
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm just seeing all of a sudden a bunch of

1524
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: fresh scrapes open up, or fresh rubs or tracks or

1525
01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,360
Speaker 1: just whatever the case may be, and I'm like, man,

1526
01:14:53,439 --> 01:14:55,559
Speaker 1: something's going on over here. I need to get in here.

1527
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: I'll move in on something without ever having uh seen

1528
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,960
Speaker 1: a deer there before. You know. I don't think that's

1529
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: necessarily a bad thing, but I won't yank what I

1530
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,639
Speaker 1: believe to be a good stand and move it based

1531
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: simply on one sighting of a deer, you know, across

1532
01:15:10,479 --> 01:15:12,680
Speaker 1: a field where I don't have a stand like I

1533
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: still try to believe that most of my scouting is accurate,

1534
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:18,800
Speaker 1: that my stands are in good spots until I've really

1535
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,600
Speaker 1: been proven otherwise I haven't understand like twice and I

1536
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: don't have a deer in in bow range and I

1537
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: feel like it's the right conditions, is the right time

1538
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:27,840
Speaker 1: of year, and nothing's happening, like I may abandon that

1539
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:29,920
Speaker 1: stand for the rest of the year. I may yank

1540
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: it and pull it somewhere else. I'm not one to

1541
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: usually stick a stand out for a long period of

1542
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 1: time if it's not proving itself. Do you have like

1543
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:42,160
Speaker 1: a set routine? I mean, for me, I'll go into

1544
01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 1: a spot that I feel good, whether I got a

1545
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:48,280
Speaker 1: trail camera picture or sign, and I'll let's say, I'll

1546
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 1: hunt in evening, a morning and an evening, or a

1547
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: morning and evening and a morning and then and then

1548
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 1: give it like three hunts and then go Do you

1549
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 1: have a set thing that you like to do you

1550
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 1: or is it all kind of a shoot from the

1551
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,160
Speaker 1: hip thing. I think it's a shoot from the hip

1552
01:16:04,240 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It base is based on again timy

1553
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: year Win direction, whether France like that all kind of

1554
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: plays a factor into like where I want to go

1555
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,520
Speaker 1: and what I believe that you're going to be doing. Um,

1556
01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean I I try anyways, Again, because

1557
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate to have a couple of spots to hunt,

1558
01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 1: I try not to pound them too hard. I try

1559
01:16:24,200 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: to bounce between them. There aren't a lot of days

1560
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 1: where I hunt the same farm morning and afternoon, like

1561
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,440
Speaker 1: here locally anyways, Um, I try to try to alternate

1562
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: between the two of them. Obviously when I'm driving two

1563
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 1: hours and I'm maybe staying overnight, Um, you know I'm

1564
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 1: gonna hunt that same farm for a day, day and

1565
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,759
Speaker 1: a half and then come home. Um. But yeah, I tried.

1566
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: I just really try to bounce around a lot. Last year.

1567
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: I tried because I was really short on time last

1568
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 1: year and you know, the new baby at work and

1569
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 1: everything else. I had one stand that I just knew

1570
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,640
Speaker 1: was going to be a good stand. Um. It was

1571
01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: near a field edge, had a big scrape right in

1572
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 1: front of it, ton a fresh sun around it. And

1573
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: I hunted that stand every time I had the right

1574
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: wind and weather conditions. I went to it four or

1575
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,879
Speaker 1: five evenings, you know, over like a ten day period

1576
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 1: something like that, and I never killed a buck from it. Uh.

1577
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: The last day I hunted it, I actually had to

1578
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 1: hunt a morning instead of an afternoon. And Uh, I

1579
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,479
Speaker 1: went there that morning and hunted that stand, didn't see

1580
01:17:26,479 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: a single deer. And I left, came back a couple

1581
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 1: of days later, checked the trail camera that was on

1582
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 1: that scrape, and uh, the big he was a twelve

1583
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,680
Speaker 1: pointer that I was after was on that scrape that

1584
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: afternoon that I had been there, you know. And so

1585
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: it's like my plan would have worked if I would

1586
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 1: have just stayed the course and kept hunting that one stand.

1587
01:17:46,760 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 1: Uh in evenings. I knew it was only a matter

1588
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,720
Speaker 1: of time before a buck showed in daylight. It was

1589
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 1: like October. Um, it did work. I just wasn't there, unfortunately,

1590
01:17:57,479 --> 01:17:59,519
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I don't know what the right

1591
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: answer is. I wish I did. I feel like there's

1592
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that pretend like they know what

1593
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:06,080
Speaker 1: the answer is. But in my opinion, you know, there, yes,

1594
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 1: there's guys that are that are very good at hunting,

1595
01:18:08,120 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 1: But so much of it just comes down to the

1596
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 1: amount of time you have to spend in the woods,

1597
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:15,800
Speaker 1: in the quality of the property that you have. Do

1598
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: you have a good property and you halfway know what

1599
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: you're doing. You spend enough time out there, you're probably

1600
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: going to get a shot at something. I know a

1601
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: lot of guys that have killed a lot of deer

1602
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: over the years that aren't the best hunters in the world.

1603
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 1: They just got a lot of time to do it. Yeah,

1604
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: So when you're limited on time like that because of

1605
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: work or you know, you guys that have all these kids,

1606
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,479
Speaker 1: is there anything? Is there anything here? Is there anything

1607
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 1: you've learned that's helped you make the most of that

1608
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: other than what we've already talked about. Honestly, man, I

1609
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: try to, uh as I call it, kind of picked

1610
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 1: my battles right, both with the deer and with my

1611
01:18:51,400 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: wife because I know that I'm only gonna have so

1612
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: much time to hunt. So it's like, you know, the

1613
01:18:55,920 --> 01:18:58,360
Speaker 1: wife wants to go to the pumpkin patch this weekend,

1614
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: you know, and it's October even teens, but we've got

1615
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: it's warm and it's eighties. Some degrees today with a

1616
01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 1: fifteen mile an hour south wind, and I'm like, you

1617
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,479
Speaker 1: know what, I'll take an afternoon off and I just

1618
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: won't hunt this afternoon. I'll make the life happy, I'll

1619
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 1: make the kids happy. We'll go get pumpkins and do

1620
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: whatever we're gonna do, because the next time a cold

1621
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: front comes in, I'm gonna cash in one of my

1622
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: chips and say I'm going hunting tonight. Um. I think

1623
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: just hunting when the time is right now. Not everybody

1624
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 1: has afforded that opportunity. You know, if you're a guy

1625
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 1: that's planning an out of state trip, or you're going

1626
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: on an outfitted hunt with somebody and you're saying, hey,

1627
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,799
Speaker 1: November one through the fifth, I'm gonna be in Missouri

1628
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,640
Speaker 1: with such and such outfitter, like you just take what

1629
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 1: you can get. You know, you don't have that that luxury,

1630
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: So not everybody can do that. Fortunately, I'm in a

1631
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 1: position where I get that flexibility from time to time. Uh,

1632
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: And I think that's made the world a difference in

1633
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 1: some of my my hunting. Um, I've killed a lot

1634
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,639
Speaker 1: of my dear uh in the last you know couple

1635
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: of years on those you know, Fridays or Mondays or

1636
01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: you know, Wednesday afternoon type of Sits all right with

1637
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: those with those correct conditions. And you talked about the

1638
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: cold fronts that you like to key in on. Do

1639
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: you pay attention to any other types of factors that

1640
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, get poster around there, like the moon or

1641
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: pressure or anything like that. Is that factor in at

1642
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: all for your man? I used to believe me, I've

1643
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: listened to Mark Dreury on your podcast twenty times, as

1644
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: as have the rest of the guys on our team,

1645
01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 1: and you know, try to dissect it and everything, but

1646
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is it just it boils

1647
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: down to I only got so much time, you know.

1648
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,800
Speaker 1: So it's like I used to worry about the wind,

1649
01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 1: Like I used to plan my weekend trips to my

1650
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 1: lease based on the on the not the wind, the moon.

1651
01:20:38,720 --> 01:20:41,280
Speaker 1: Um And I've been proving wrong so many times and

1652
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:42,680
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's a full moon. They're not going

1653
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,640
Speaker 1: to be moving today. I'm just gonna stay at home.

1654
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: And then it's like everybody I know he's killing deer somewhere,

1655
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I thought they weren't supposed to

1656
01:20:49,400 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: be moving today. Well it turns out it was, you know,

1657
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:54,479
Speaker 1: a weather front and high pressure. I think personally, weather

1658
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: trumps everything else when it comes to deer movements, specifically

1659
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: cold fronts, which are generally associated with you know, the

1660
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 1: pressure is usually gonna drop before the cold front, and

1661
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: then once it passes through. Most of the time you

1662
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: get those you know, bluebird skies have frost, hopefully a

1663
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:14,880
Speaker 1: light wind like that next morning after that front's gone. Uh,

1664
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 1: those seem to be the best times for me to

1665
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: kill deer. Like if I see that perfect storm of

1666
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: like this is coming, I really try to just be

1667
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 1: like I need to be in the woods on that day. Yeah, yeah,

1668
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: I think I'm I think I'm right there with you.

1669
01:21:29,720 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: What do you think about this? Justin what do you

1670
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:39,840
Speaker 1: think you're what's your greatest weakness as a hunter or

1671
01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: what do you what do you struggle with the most

1672
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:47,040
Speaker 1: if you had to somewhere executing the shot at the

1673
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: moment of true Probably you know I've been I've traditionally

1674
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: been pretty good about putting myself in positions to get

1675
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: shots at animals. I've botched more of them than I

1676
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 1: cared to admit. So that's probably the still the biggest

1677
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: area that I struggle with um, and it's gotten a

1678
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 1: lot better with age and experience. Uh. And I think

1679
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: just maybe lessening the pressure on myself. I really don't

1680
01:22:11,880 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: feel pressure anymore when I'm when I shoot a dear.

1681
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 1: You know, I'm pretty confident in my ability as an

1682
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,680
Speaker 1: archer just in general. Um, but that's probably still the

1683
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: biggest area that I have to to work on. You know,

1684
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:24,840
Speaker 1: I can get close to him, I can get him

1685
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: in there, you know, getting them killed another story. Yeah,

1686
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:29,679
Speaker 1: So what kind of stuff have you done to try

1687
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: to improve there so far? Have you changed at all

1688
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:34,680
Speaker 1: how you're practicing or anything with your archer or has

1689
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: it just been get more experience, shooting more dear. Uh. Yeah,

1690
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: I'm more experienced shooting more dear um, and just shooting

1691
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: my bow a lot more, you know, just because I

1692
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: can pick up my bow and you know, hit a

1693
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 1: bull's eye on that first shot. You know, every time

1694
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 1: that's not necessarily enough. You know. Some of the guys

1695
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: that that film for our show are people that I

1696
01:22:56,200 --> 01:23:00,040
Speaker 1: know are our police officers that are involved in like you,

1697
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:03,559
Speaker 1: whether it be swap teams or special response teams and stuff,

1698
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:06,040
Speaker 1: and they preach a lot of you know, just constant

1699
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: training in that muscle memory, because when you get put

1700
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: into a situation that's kind of high stress, you know,

1701
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 1: as you guys know, I mean, think about some of

1702
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: the deer that you've shot over the years, specifically mostly

1703
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:19,320
Speaker 1: on bucks. Right, Sometimes you don't even remember the whole

1704
01:23:19,479 --> 01:23:23,400
Speaker 1: shot process, Like your brain just kind of blanks, you know,

1705
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 1: in the process of drawing and aiming and shooting and everything,

1706
01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:28,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, I know I did it, and I

1707
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: know I hit the deer, but what the hell just happened? Right?

1708
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: So that's like where that muscle memory. You know, everybody is,

1709
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 1: you know, kind of preach to me, like you just

1710
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,439
Speaker 1: have to shoot a lot, Like your brain needs to

1711
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: know exactly what it's doing. So it's just shooting, you know,

1712
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:43,839
Speaker 1: whether it's every day, every other day, ten fifteen arrows,

1713
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: you know, I set up a bag target in my basement, uh,

1714
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: and I try to shoot a lot, you know, just

1715
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: so that you know, when that high stress situation comes,

1716
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: your brain is gonna, I guess, revert back to it's

1717
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, base memory or whatever of what you're doing. Uh.

1718
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:00,640
Speaker 1: And I want that to be a good one and

1719
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 1: not a bad one. So that's probably the biggest thing.

1720
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 1: And then I just think, you know, age, Um, you know,

1721
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: I guess it's like anything in life. Right, You've got

1722
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: some sports figures, because I always this is the analogy

1723
01:24:13,120 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: I try to make the people you had some sports

1724
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,720
Speaker 1: figures that are just clutch, right. You know that when

1725
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 1: it's the bottom of the nine, two outs, winning runs

1726
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: at third base. There's certain guys that aren't phased by

1727
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: that and can just it's like ice in their veins.

1728
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,519
Speaker 1: They're just clutch. And then there's some guys that aren't.

1729
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm not a clutch guy. I've ever been a clutch guy,

1730
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: but I'm working really on trying to become more of

1731
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:40,200
Speaker 1: that person. Um, you know, I know some guys that

1732
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 1: are just they're just stone cold killers. Man. They just

1733
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: don't get rattled, you know, their heart rate doesn't seem

1734
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:47,880
Speaker 1: to go up at all. And you know, for me,

1735
01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm totally the opposite. You know, there's times that I've

1736
01:24:50,240 --> 01:24:53,160
Speaker 1: just totally fallen apart and let a shot go and

1737
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:57,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the hell just happened. So that's that's

1738
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,920
Speaker 1: the part for me that that I probably still work

1739
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 1: gotten the most. Dan, how's your how's your archery practice going.

1740
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:05,640
Speaker 1: We talked like a month or a month and a

1741
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: half ago about some of the things you were doing

1742
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:10,800
Speaker 1: this year. What's your progress there. Yeah, I made the

1743
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: mistake of trying to teach myself back tension too close

1744
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 1: to the season, I think. So it was with an

1745
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: actual back tension release like with a hinge or are

1746
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: you just shooting trigger full blown back tension. So I

1747
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 1: started off and it just it was a shock to

1748
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: my system, and I think that shock was too close

1749
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: to the hunting season. UM and I ended up putting

1750
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: it down and it's something that I'm going to pick

1751
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:44,840
Speaker 1: back up as soon as the season's over for the

1752
01:25:44,920 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: next year. I just felt that I needed more time

1753
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 1: with the schedule that I had, I needed more time

1754
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: to um, you know, to to properly train myself on

1755
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: how to use it and see why did you do

1756
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 1: at where you having target panic issues that you were

1757
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: trying to you know, it's one of those things just

1758
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: like we all talked about your online you read up

1759
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, like, hey, I've had problems with you know,

1760
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,120
Speaker 1: I got a social media site too, and you know

1761
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 1: I asked the people that are on there. Uh, you know,

1762
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 1: I've suffered from target panic in the in the past,

1763
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:26,759
Speaker 1: I'm that guy who, depending on the scenario, blacks straight

1764
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 1: out and it's just like, what just happened, you know

1765
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 1: what I mean? And I want to prevent that from happening.

1766
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: So that's why I decided to go to the back tension.

1767
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: It's just that I think it was too close to

1768
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 1: the season, so I ended up going back to my

1769
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:44,799
Speaker 1: wrists trigger release. Um, I ended up having to change

1770
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: my sights again, so I basically had to redo my

1771
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: whole set up again, which was you know, that's okay,

1772
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 1: but I think I'm gonna stick with that and just

1773
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, go with a slap to the face

1774
01:26:57,120 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: when that when that moment comes. You know, last year,

1775
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 1: I I just kind of was like I closed my

1776
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,840
Speaker 1: eyes after I saw the Buck, and I was just like, dude,

1777
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: just relax, man, just relax. And yeah, I still got

1778
01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 1: fired up. But you know every time I say this,

1779
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: I say this all the time, but you know, when

1780
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 1: you're around the caliber of Bucks that gets you excited,

1781
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 1: and that doesn't necessarily mean Giant Bucks, right, We're talking

1782
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: about depending on where you're at. If it's the first

1783
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,280
Speaker 1: one twenty, you've ever seen, it's going to be a

1784
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:35,680
Speaker 1: shock to your system, and and I don't. It's just

1785
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:39,920
Speaker 1: men's nature nowadays to get fired up on the rack,

1786
01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 1: and I had to tell myself that means nothing. The

1787
01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: most important thing is to get an accurate shot. And

1788
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: I just try to calm myself down through like like

1789
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: talking to myself. Sure, yeah, I believe me, Dana, I'm

1790
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:58,960
Speaker 1: with you. Is there any reason you didn't try just

1791
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 1: a a standard thumb trigger release instead of going going

1792
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: all in on the hinge? Well? Yeah, I think a

1793
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:08,559
Speaker 1: lot of it had to do with recommendations from others.

1794
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: I mean, the people that I've talked to are just like, dude,

1795
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 1: skip the thumb release and go straight to the back

1796
01:28:14,240 --> 01:28:19,639
Speaker 1: tension release. It's gonna it's gonna do do you worlds better,

1797
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, as far as accuracy, um and and I

1798
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do with the

1799
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: bow set up to. I mean, if you change your release,

1800
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:32,320
Speaker 1: you're obviously gonna have to change potentially your draw and

1801
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,320
Speaker 1: I think i'm I might have had to do some

1802
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: of that as well. So I just went back with

1803
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: what I was comfortable with. And then once this season's over,

1804
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:45,360
Speaker 1: then it's just time to start from scratch again. Yeah,

1805
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,639
Speaker 1: so I switched to a thumb release, UM, I don't

1806
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 1: know four years ago or so now, because I was

1807
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,639
Speaker 1: having a lot of target panic issues with my wrist

1808
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: strap and my index finger release, and it's helped significantly.

1809
01:28:58,240 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 1: UM hasn't eliminated it entirely. It's still rears. It's ugly

1810
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:04,920
Speaker 1: little head from time to time. So you know, I worked.

1811
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 1: I mentioned I shoot in my basement a lot. I

1812
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,920
Speaker 1: work a lot and kind of just blank bailing, where

1813
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:11,599
Speaker 1: you close your eyes and shoot into the target and

1814
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: and focus more on you know, your muscles and your

1815
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,920
Speaker 1: release and your and your form and everything than than

1816
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 1: worrying about where the arrow is hitting, which has helped

1817
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,120
Speaker 1: a lot. And when I do try to there's every

1818
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:23,599
Speaker 1: once in a while I catch myself kind of trying

1819
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 1: to punch the trigger, even on the thumb release, but

1820
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to do. Uh So, like I'll

1821
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: get that little jolt almost but the release doesn't go off,

1822
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: and then I'm able to kind of set myself and

1823
01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, relax, you know, breathe, pull through the shot,

1824
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,000
Speaker 1: and I feel like I've become a better archer. Part

1825
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,400
Speaker 1: of the reason I switched, as well as with us

1826
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:43,920
Speaker 1: filming all of our hunts, we do a ton of

1827
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 1: self filming. Uh, and I felt like it was easier

1828
01:29:46,680 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: for me to have my release already clipped onto the

1829
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 1: bow because I'm kind of holding my bow in the

1830
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 1: left hand camera on the right hand, you know, and

1831
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:56,320
Speaker 1: when I let go of that camera, all I have

1832
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 1: to do is grab the release and draw and shoot,

1833
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: versus trying to hook up at the moment of truth. Uh.

1834
01:30:02,160 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: You know, and Dan, I know you've filmed before, so

1835
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:07,360
Speaker 1: I mean adding the the camera into the mix definitely

1836
01:30:07,400 --> 01:30:10,479
Speaker 1: adds like a whole another level of stress, which just

1837
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 1: compounds that like blackout thing that happens. So so yeah,

1838
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean going to a thumb trigger was huge for me,

1839
01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure I could ever go back, but

1840
01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 1: I gave myself, you know, six months before hunting season.

1841
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:27,240
Speaker 1: I switched in the spring because believe me, dude, I

1842
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: launched a couple of arrows they probably still haven't landed,

1843
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, with with that thumb trigger when I first

1844
01:30:35,320 --> 01:30:39,760
Speaker 1: started using it. So it's definitely a big learning curve. Yeah, yeah,

1845
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting. I've done a similar switch and we

1846
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,719
Speaker 1: talked about a few weeks ago too, But I haven't

1847
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 1: switched to a thumb or or or hinge yet. I'm

1848
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 1: still using a index finger release, but it's a it's

1849
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: a it's a much better one than I used to use,

1850
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,800
Speaker 1: a really hard trigger break. But I'm switching to a

1851
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:00,759
Speaker 1: back tension type process of shot sequence. So I'm locking

1852
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: that finger on the trigger right when I right when

1853
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 1: I draw back. So I used to draw back anchor

1854
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: you know, get the pin on him, and then right

1855
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 1: when I was about to shoot, then I put my

1856
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,840
Speaker 1: finger on the release and and yeah, I had those

1857
01:31:12,840 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 1: similar types of punching type things that I didn't. I

1858
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 1: didn't like. I don't know if it was like admitting

1859
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:22,200
Speaker 1: it to myself or recognizing that that was like target panic.

1860
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: But I've kind of come to terms of that. So

1861
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 1: so yeah, I switched to this new sequence, and I

1862
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,559
Speaker 1: kind of switched to it pretty late, but I'm feeling

1863
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 1: really good about it so far, and it can it

1864
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:35,120
Speaker 1: has definitely, like I could tell that it has improved

1865
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 1: um what I'm doing and like significantly limiting those urges

1866
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 1: to to punch the trigger in some form or fashion,

1867
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: like you said, just never once in a while. Every

1868
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 1: rare occasion, I'll get that little jolt where like the

1869
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 1: mind wants to do that, but because I don't pull

1870
01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: the trigger with my finger anymore, it doesn't happen. Um.

1871
01:31:54,360 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: So so now I'm locked on there and and I

1872
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,400
Speaker 1: have like a controlled process, and I just have to

1873
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,360
Speaker 1: go through step one, step two, and then step three

1874
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 1: triggers my and my brain to start pulling with my

1875
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: back and and now that happens, and I really am

1876
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 1: finally achieving a surprise release. And I'm like, oh, so

1877
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:13,559
Speaker 1: that's what it's supposed to feel like. It really doesn't

1878
01:32:13,600 --> 01:32:17,240
Speaker 1: surprise me, and that's that's cool. Yeah, it works, It

1879
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 1: actually works, So that's kind of cool. Um. Now I haven't,

1880
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, shot at anything in the field yet, so

1881
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 1: that's going to be the next big test and we'll

1882
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: see how that goes. But cross, I see did I

1883
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 1: just see that? You did you just shoot a cariboo?

1884
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: That was you went and shot? I did shoot a cariboo? Hunting? Yes?

1885
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 1: Was that with a Was that with a gun? That

1886
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:38,920
Speaker 1: was a gun hunt? Yea? How was it? How was

1887
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 1: the hunt? The hunt was insane? It was it was

1888
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: really really cool. I'm I'm jealous. Yeah, I'm a little jealous.

1889
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:52,920
Speaker 1: Ala Alaska was unreal. How was the meat delicious? Absolutely,

1890
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:55,919
Speaker 1: absolutely delicious. So the two coolest ways of eating cariboos

1891
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 1: so far. I don't even know if I talked about

1892
01:32:57,800 --> 01:33:00,720
Speaker 1: this on when we did our Caribou podcast Dan, but

1893
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 1: one way we did it is one of our nights

1894
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 1: while we were out there, we did an Asian hot pot.

1895
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: So we had this big pot of of broth with

1896
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:12,280
Speaker 1: all these different Asian spices and carrots and onions and

1897
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 1: says one, peppercorns and stuff in there. So we bring

1898
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 1: that pot to a boil, and then we sliced up

1899
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 1: caribou heart and caribou backstrap and really really thin little strips,

1900
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,120
Speaker 1: and then with little wooden skewers, we would stick a

1901
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: slice of meat on the end of the wooden stick

1902
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: and we dip it into that boiling pot of broth

1903
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:31,000
Speaker 1: for just like fifteen twenty seconds, just enough to give

1904
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: it a little steer. And you take that out and

1905
01:33:33,439 --> 01:33:36,120
Speaker 1: dip it in this kind of soy sauce type mixture,

1906
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:39,960
Speaker 1: eat that with your fingers. And that was that was

1907
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: absolutely It sounds like it sounds like, yeah, exactly exactly

1908
01:33:44,479 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 1: like meat fun, do you know? Yeah, that was incredible.

1909
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:51,840
Speaker 1: And then another thing we did is Steve cut the

1910
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:57,040
Speaker 1: eyeballs out of my caribou and then cut the fat,

1911
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: the white fatty stuff from the back of the eye

1912
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 1: ball and made us try eating that. And I wouldn't

1913
01:34:04,439 --> 01:34:10,120
Speaker 1: recommend that. I wouldn't say that was delicious, but he

1914
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: was right. One of those things where it's like, hey,

1915
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 1: let's trick the rookie. It was like, like, hey, the

1916
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:18,160
Speaker 1: natives used to do this, and it was some special

1917
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:23,360
Speaker 1: It was that kind of yeah. So we all did

1918
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: it and and it really did taste like he said

1919
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: it what it did. Taste like pizza dough, um, but

1920
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 1: as a little gross thinking about the fact that I

1921
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:34,599
Speaker 1: was eating eyeball fat from a caribou that I just shot.

1922
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: But it's a story to tell, I guess, right, Yeah,

1923
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,840
Speaker 1: no doubt how many people can tell that story? Right,

1924
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 1: is a series of cool stories. And that's about as

1925
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 1: cool as they get. My new favorite way to uh

1926
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:52,559
Speaker 1: to cook venison is my suvied cooker, which is the

1927
01:34:52,600 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. If anybody hasn't heard of it, you

1928
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 1: heard of it or know what it is. I've heard

1929
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 1: of it, but I've never done it, so Suvied I

1930
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: forget what it stands for. Obviously it's some foreign thing,

1931
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,599
Speaker 1: but essentially it's uh, you take your meat. Like for

1932
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:08,759
Speaker 1: me personally, when I eat venicine, I like to brine

1933
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: it um for at least a few hours, if not overnight.

1934
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,519
Speaker 1: I feel like it, you know, gets whatever you know

1935
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: quote unquote gamey flavor it may have out of the meat,

1936
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:20,280
Speaker 1: makes it a little bit tender, more tender. So for

1937
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: people that don't eat venicine a lot like it makes it,

1938
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 1: I guess maybe a little more palatable for them. So

1939
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:27,320
Speaker 1: usually brian it uh. And then you I take like

1940
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:29,320
Speaker 1: a backstrapper, like let's say I have quarter of a

1941
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:33,559
Speaker 1: backstrap and vacuum seal it um. You can either put

1942
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 1: seasonings in the vacuum sealer or marina. It's up to you,

1943
01:35:36,479 --> 01:35:38,679
Speaker 1: but I usually vacuum seal it with just some salt

1944
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 1: and pepper. And the Suvied cooker. Essentially you take a

1945
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,799
Speaker 1: pot of water that's room temperature, you put the cooker

1946
01:35:44,840 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 1: in it. You set the temperature on the cooker. So

1947
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 1: I cook my venic into about a thirty degrees which

1948
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:53,400
Speaker 1: is about medium rare. Uh. And then you take this

1949
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 1: meat that's in this vacuum sealed bag and you put

1950
01:35:56,920 --> 01:35:59,679
Speaker 1: it in the water bath essentially, and then the cooker.

1951
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 1: What all it's doing is it's heating the water up

1952
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 1: and circulating the water. So the heat from the water

1953
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: is actually cooking the meat. Right. And the cool thing

1954
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 1: about suvite, as you guys know, with cooking medicine, it's

1955
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 1: really easy to overcook, right, and if you overcook medicine,

1956
01:36:13,320 --> 01:36:17,839
Speaker 1: it's it's awful, right, So with the suvite, so typically

1957
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 1: when you cook mendicine, let's say you're gonna throw a

1958
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: backstrap or a steak on the grill or on the

1959
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:24,720
Speaker 1: skillet or whatever. You got a five degree grill, you

1960
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: throw it down there like you have to pull it

1961
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,880
Speaker 1: off at the exact time when it hits that temperature

1962
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:33,640
Speaker 1: that you want in order to get the doneness that

1963
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: you want. We was suvie. Basically, I say I wanted

1964
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:38,640
Speaker 1: to a thirty degrees, which is medium rare, and I

1965
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:41,120
Speaker 1: can leave that thing in there for an hour, two hours,

1966
01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: three hours, four hours, five hours, doesn't really matter how

1967
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:44,880
Speaker 1: long I leave it in there. You want to leave

1968
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,280
Speaker 1: it in there for days, but I can throw it

1969
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: on there at one in the afternoon, and when I

1970
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 1: finally get hungry at five thirty or whatever, I could

1971
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 1: pull that meat out of the water bath. Keep in

1972
01:36:55,680 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 1: mind the meats never actually touched the water because it's

1973
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,720
Speaker 1: in a bag and it's perfectly looked all the way

1974
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,519
Speaker 1: through from end to end, so there's no like it's

1975
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:05,800
Speaker 1: more done on the outside and less done in the middle.

1976
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 1: Like the whole piece of meat is evenly cooked. And

1977
01:37:08,920 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: then what I do is I pull it out, I

1978
01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 1: season it with maybe some more salt and pepper, some garlic, salt,

1979
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 1: and I either throw it on the grill for about

1980
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:17,840
Speaker 1: a minute per side, or like in a cast iron

1981
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: skillet just to get that sear on the outside of

1982
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: it that we're all looking for, um. And then and

1983
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: then it's ready to eat, and it is the greatest

1984
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 1: meat ever. You can do it with steaks, um, you know,

1985
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 1: beef steaks. You could cook chicken, pork, everything, but it's

1986
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:35,280
Speaker 1: all perfectly done every time. Like you don't need to

1987
01:37:35,280 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 1: be a chef to get great food out of this thing.

1988
01:37:38,520 --> 01:37:41,320
Speaker 1: And it's super easy clean up because basically I mean

1989
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 1: your your water bath. Like I bought a plastic tub

1990
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,760
Speaker 1: thing that it goes in like you just dump the

1991
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 1: water out of that and then throw away the vacuum

1992
01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: seal bag and that's it and there's really no clean

1993
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:54,240
Speaker 1: up to it. And it's super super simple. I'd recommend

1994
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: anybody out there that loves eating vedicine to pick up

1995
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,679
Speaker 1: one of these machines and try it. They're freaking awesome.

1996
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,479
Speaker 1: And is it it's spelled s O U S V

1997
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,160
Speaker 1: I d E. Is that is that right? Correct? Yeah,

1998
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 1: that's correct. Yeah. I got mine on Amazon. Like everything else,

1999
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:15,719
Speaker 1: I buy the retail Giant. Yeah that sounds pretty cool though. Um, yeah,

2000
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: it's great, dude. I've been I've been emptying the freezer

2001
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:20,000
Speaker 1: out in preparation for the season, so I've been cooking

2002
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 1: a ton of venison here lately and I've been using

2003
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,640
Speaker 1: that thing for all of it. It worked phenomenal. And

2004
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 1: uh Todd luckily shot and elk last night, so I

2005
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 1: was texting him this morning. I'm like, make sure you

2006
01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: bring every square inch of meat back here, because I'm

2007
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 1: stealing a fair amount of it. I do miss my elk.

2008
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 1: Havin some elk meat in the freezer. I've got a

2009
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 1: little bit left from the cow that my buddy shot

2010
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 1: and we're out there last September. But that's dwindling, dwindling quickly.

2011
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:53,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's great, man. I can bring that cooker

2012
01:38:53,120 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: here to the office where we don't really have anything

2013
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,040
Speaker 1: to cook with. We got a little grill, but I can,

2014
01:38:57,320 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: you know, throw it, throw meat in that thing. When

2015
01:38:59,160 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 1: I get here in the morning and lunchtime it's ready

2016
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 1: to eat, throw it on the grill. And let all

2017
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 1: the guys here at the office. You know, we got

2018
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:06,800
Speaker 1: eight or ten people here building websites and doing I

2019
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 1: T work and whatnot. And I can expose all of

2020
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 1: them because none of them hunt Todd. I really only

2021
01:39:11,479 --> 01:39:14,000
Speaker 1: two hunters here. Um. So they get there, they get

2022
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 1: their venison fixed, and like a lot of people, they're like, well,

2023
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:19,719
Speaker 1: i've had vedicine before. You know, my my cousin cooked

2024
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: some up one time and it was really pretty shitty

2025
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:24,479
Speaker 1: and then like it, you know. So then I'm like,

2026
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 1: all right, let me cook it for you the right way.

2027
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:28,080
Speaker 1: And then they all eat it. They're like, this is

2028
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,639
Speaker 1: phenomenally you got any more? So yeah, it's pretty neat.

2029
01:39:32,120 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 1: Venison is one of those ultimate ways to open people's

2030
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:37,120
Speaker 1: eyes to hunting. I think if they eat a good

2031
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 1: meal and they understand how it came to be. That

2032
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,640
Speaker 1: is just like the ultimate olive branch to to what

2033
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: we do and why we do it. I think, so

2034
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:49,439
Speaker 1: cooking it well, it's so important. Yep, Well we are,

2035
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:52,160
Speaker 1: we're running on time here. Um So, I guess I

2036
01:39:52,200 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 1: want to ask you one more question. I don't know, Dan,

2037
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:56,519
Speaker 1: if you've got anything you want to jump in with here,

2038
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: but I'll just I'll ask you the converse of what

2039
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:01,080
Speaker 1: I throw at you a little bit ago. I asked

2040
01:40:01,080 --> 01:40:03,599
Speaker 1: you what you struggle with the most. Now I want

2041
01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 1: to know what do you think is your best attribute

2042
01:40:06,160 --> 01:40:13,200
Speaker 1: as a hunter? Mmmm. That's a good one. Um, I

2043
01:40:13,240 --> 01:40:15,960
Speaker 1: guess maybe just the flip side of what my worst

2044
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 1: thing as honor is. You know, I've always, not always,

2045
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 1: but over the last ten years or so, I've I've

2046
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:26,120
Speaker 1: somehow found a knack for putting myself uh in the

2047
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:29,439
Speaker 1: situation to get close to a deer in daylight hours

2048
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 1: and give myself an opportunity to shoot it. Whether that's

2049
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 1: walking onto a brand new piece of property and scouting

2050
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,880
Speaker 1: and hanging stands for the very first time, or a

2051
01:40:36,920 --> 01:40:39,360
Speaker 1: property that I've hunted for a long time. There aren't

2052
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 1: many years that I go where I don't have, you know,

2053
01:40:42,560 --> 01:40:45,560
Speaker 1: deer within shooting range, good bucks, you know, whether I

2054
01:40:45,640 --> 01:40:48,719
Speaker 1: choose to pass that deer, or I botched the shot

2055
01:40:49,120 --> 01:40:51,719
Speaker 1: or I killed the animal. Like I feel like I'm

2056
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 1: I'm pretty darn good at that. I don't know if

2057
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,720
Speaker 1: some of it's just luck, but you know, I just

2058
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 1: something about it. And that's that's the thrill of the

2059
01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 1: chase for me, is is as a bow hunter, being

2060
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 1: able to get in there and get and get close

2061
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 1: to them. So yeah, I mean I feel like I'm

2062
01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:07,479
Speaker 1: a pretty good hunter from that regard. I just need

2063
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:09,439
Speaker 1: to get better at closing the deal when the when

2064
01:41:09,439 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 1: the opportunity presents itself. Yeah, I hear you that. That

2065
01:41:13,160 --> 01:41:15,639
Speaker 1: chess match for me to that, that's what I enjoy

2066
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 1: the most is figuring out those little moves to make,

2067
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 1: when to be in the right place at the right time,

2068
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:23,200
Speaker 1: and how to get all that to come together. There

2069
01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:26,160
Speaker 1: nothing better as far as I'm concerned. You know, a

2070
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:28,640
Speaker 1: few years back, I mean we're going back almost ten years. No,

2071
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,919
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you know, if you guys remember

2072
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:33,760
Speaker 1: there was this thing called the Campbell Outdoor Challenge. You

2073
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 1: guys remember that by any chance. I remember that they

2074
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: had a TV show and essentially it was like a competition, right,

2075
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:41,679
Speaker 1: So we did that two years in a row, and

2076
01:41:42,920 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 1: basically it was in southern Illinois. You show up and

2077
01:41:45,360 --> 01:41:47,040
Speaker 1: they would give you a piece of property to hunt.

2078
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 1: This was an outfitter. But then they would give you

2079
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:51,360
Speaker 1: a map and I mean this was late October and

2080
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,479
Speaker 1: they'd say, here's your here's your piece of property. It's

2081
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 1: a hundred acres. Go have fun. And you were thrown

2082
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: into a piece of property that you never hunt before,

2083
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 1: you've never stepped foot on. While you've got as a map,

2084
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 1: you gotta go out, scout, hang stands, and you've got

2085
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 1: you know, four or five days to hunt. And uh,

2086
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, we were very very fortunate, um that the

2087
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 1: two years we did it. First year it was me

2088
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 1: and actually a woman named Christine that used to do

2089
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,640
Speaker 1: some some work with us. Her and I went, um,

2090
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,719
Speaker 1: we wanted that year. I shot a good buck um.

2091
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:24,920
Speaker 1: And then the following year we went back kind of

2092
01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:27,519
Speaker 1: a quote unquote to defend our title, so to speak.

2093
01:42:27,960 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: My buddy Mike came with me and we wanted that year.

2094
01:42:30,040 --> 01:42:32,719
Speaker 1: Mike shot a really nice boot on the first morning

2095
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:35,479
Speaker 1: uh that year. So I think that was kind of

2096
01:42:35,479 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: the turning point for me and like my style of

2097
01:42:38,200 --> 01:42:41,000
Speaker 1: hunting with a run and gun scout during the season,

2098
01:42:41,080 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 1: be able to figure out the sign where the deer at. Like,

2099
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:46,040
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that. It was a blast. I mean,

2100
01:42:46,080 --> 01:42:48,000
Speaker 1: we had it. I Mean there's just something about walking

2101
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:49,920
Speaker 1: onto a piece of property for the first time and

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Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. It's intriguing as as as

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Speaker 1: a bow hunter, which is really kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: ten years or almost ten years later, now fast forward,

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Speaker 1: like my trips to Kansas this fall are all going

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Speaker 1: to be public land. Um. You know. We went in

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Speaker 1: the spring and we scouted a little bit and did

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Speaker 1: some turkey hunting. Um, but we have no idea what

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Speaker 1: we're really walking into. But that's the intrigue, Like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what deer there, I have no cameras, I

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Speaker 1: have no history, I have nothing walking onto a piece

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Speaker 1: of property October one scouting hanging stands and trying to

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Speaker 1: kill deer. Uh. So I'm really really excited to go

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Speaker 1: down there this year. I feel like that type of

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Speaker 1: situation maybe is a really good uh quote unquote test

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Speaker 1: of your hunting abilities. You know, sometimes we get complacent

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Speaker 1: on some of these properties. We've hunted forever and we

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Speaker 1: know what the deer are gonna do and where they're

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Speaker 1: gonna do it and when they're gonna do it. Um.

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Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, yeah, that's spot over. There's

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Speaker 1: pretty good, I'm gonna go there now and shoot a deer. Um.

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Speaker 1: Something about this new property hang hunt scout, uh has

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Speaker 1: really got me intrigued for this fall. So I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: to have some success down there. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: right there with you learning those new places. That is

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Speaker 1: uh the ultimate challenge and test I think is a hunter.

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Speaker 1: So I keep on trying to put myself in new

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Speaker 1: positions too, because I think not only a test to

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Speaker 1: but you. Whether you succeed or not in filling that tag,

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Speaker 1: you you learn stuff that makes you a better hunter

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Speaker 1: no matter what. Um. So, I think there's there really

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Speaker 1: is something to be said about putting yourself in new

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Speaker 1: positions and figuring it out as it go. So absolutely, well, Dan,

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Speaker 1: do you have a final thoughts or any final questions

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Speaker 1: for Justin? I think, uh, we need to collaborate on

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Speaker 1: a book Hunting with Kids or something like that. I

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Speaker 1: think that would be because I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: but I get like a lot of questions thrown my

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Speaker 1: way about, hey man, how do you juggle time? How

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Speaker 1: do you balance time? And uh me and you were

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Speaker 1: in the same boat. H yeah, yeah, man, I tell

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Speaker 1: you what I mean. I I try to spend as

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Speaker 1: much time with my kids as I can, you know,

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Speaker 1: especially during the off season. I mean, we're constantly doing something,

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Speaker 1: whether you know, whether we're going to swimming or going

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Speaker 1: to the park, or we're taking them to the zoo

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Like I really because I know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: for for as bad as it sounds, you know, a

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Speaker 1: lot of us, you know, we hunt. We only have

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Speaker 1: so much time to hunt during the fall, and you

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Speaker 1: know we do prioritize that pretty high. So I try to,

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Speaker 1: you know, do as much with my kids as I

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Speaker 1: humanly can, um without killing myself, uh since there's so

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Speaker 1: many of them. But but yeah, I mean that's the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing, you know, and you've got to have a

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Speaker 1: life that's going to be at least semi understanding. I

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01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,000
Speaker 1: know we all like to joke that, you know, they

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Speaker 1: get pissed at us when we're gone hunting and whatever,

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Speaker 1: and they do from time to time. So I mean

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Speaker 1: it's it's just smart to to realize that, you know,

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Speaker 1: your your marriage, your kids, your family, there there are

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Speaker 1: things that are more important than hunting, as much as

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01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 1: we like to joke about about hunting kind of being

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Speaker 1: the most important thing. So it's just realizing, you know,

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Speaker 1: where to draw that line, realizing when your wife is

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Speaker 1: like to that breaking point and it's like, you know what,

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01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:52,040
Speaker 1: I don't really need to hunt tonight, Like I want to,

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Speaker 1: like every bone in my body wants to go hunting

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Speaker 1: right now, But the smart thing to do is to

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Speaker 1: just stay home whatever, take the kids trick or treating,

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Speaker 1: do whatever you know, and just cool your jets because

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Speaker 1: you know, I can go hunt tomorrow. Um. That's probably

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Speaker 1: been the biggest learning curve for me, is just getting

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Speaker 1: adjusted to that I can go do whatever I want

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Speaker 1: whenever I want, because that's not that's not reality anymore. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I I always They'll think of that song, you know,

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Speaker 1: old Brad Paisley where he's talking about his his girlfriend

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Speaker 1: or his wife, I can't remember which it was. Was

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Speaker 1: was giving him the ultimatum, said that if he goes

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Speaker 1: bass fishing one more time, you know, she's hitting she's

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Speaker 1: hitting the road, she's out the door, and that chorus

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Speaker 1: kicks in. He's just like, well, I'm gonna miss her.

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Speaker 1: That was before kids. Yeah, those pretty pre kids are

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Speaker 1: bred child supports way too much money to consider doing that.

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Speaker 1: It is a financial issue. You're right now, you guys

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Speaker 1: are you guys are absolutely right? And I know I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be experience in these new things when I bring

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Speaker 1: kids into play too, so I'm sure I'll be guys

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Speaker 1: for advice as we go along. But but justin thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us, and for people that want to see

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Speaker 1: what you've got going on um with bohunting dot com.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to hear about where they can find stuff

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Speaker 1: online with all your different deals, and then tell us

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Speaker 1: a little bit about busted rack too. Yeah. Sure, Well,

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Speaker 1: for what we're doing at bow hunting dot com, pretty simple, right,

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Speaker 1: bow hunting dot com for our show. If you go

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Speaker 1: to bow hunt or Die dot com, we'll bring you

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Speaker 1: to our show page. Check us out on YouTube, Facebook, Broku,

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Speaker 1: all that stuff. Uh. As far as busted rackos, you know,

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Speaker 1: my buddy Mike and I decided for some crazy idea,

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Speaker 1: we're going to start our own business. A few months back.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure why we decided to do this, but uh,

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Speaker 1: we started a T shirt business just kind of making

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Speaker 1: some what we think are kind of cheeky, humor funny

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Speaker 1: hunting related T shirts. Uh so yeah, I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you guys want to check that out, it's busted rack

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Speaker 1: dot com. I think we've got some funny stuff. Not

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Speaker 1: everybody shares my same sense of humor, but yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think we got some fun stuff going on over there.

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Speaker 1: I really like the I've killed more Deer than c

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Speaker 1: w D shirt. You know, it's really it's really fitting

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Speaker 1: for here in Illinois and Wisconsin where we're at. That's

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Speaker 1: kind of my personal favorite shirt. Uh. After some of

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Speaker 1: Todd's shooting here early this season, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: he's got going on. I'm gonna have to get him

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Speaker 1: in the Texas Heart Shot T shirt because he's he

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Speaker 1: needs a little bit of help when he gets a

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Speaker 1: little bit of archery coaching. I think when we get back,

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Speaker 1: he's had a little bit of rough spell with pulling

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Speaker 1: those shots. Huh yeah, I think it's shooting from the ground, turkeys, antelope,

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Speaker 1: and now elk. He's made less than desirable shots. You

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Speaker 1: put him in a tree with a white tel in

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Speaker 1: front of him. He's money every time, so I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe we just need to keep him in a tree

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Speaker 1: from here on out. That's good to know. Well, we'll

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Speaker 1: definitely put links to all that stuff in the blog post. Um.

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Speaker 1: I've gotten to kick out of some of your shirts too,

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Speaker 1: so good stuff I got. I got one headed your

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Speaker 1: way here shortly awesome. I appreciate. It's that my my

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Speaker 1: nerdy shirt. It is your well, it's my nerdy shirt,

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Speaker 1: the October Love Game of Thrones. I needed a Game

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Speaker 1: of Thrones inspired shirts. That's great alright, justin well, thank

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Speaker 1: you again so much for joining us. And man, I

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Speaker 1: hope you shoot that big one here. Good luck. Thanks man.

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Speaker 1: If I do, I will definitely let you know. And

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Speaker 1: that's a rap. But before we go, I've got a

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Speaker 1: quick favor to ask. You know. Usually at this point

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Speaker 1: I might ask you guys to leave a rating or

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Speaker 1: review for the podcast on iTunes, but today I want

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Speaker 1: to ask for something different. I'm curious if you might

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Speaker 1: all be willing to give an in person review for

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt. And what I mean by this is if

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Speaker 1: you enjoy this podcast, if you find it valuable, maybe

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Speaker 1: today or tomorrow or this weekend, maybe you could just

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Speaker 1: tell one new person about the Weird Hunt podcast. Find

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Speaker 1: find one of your hunting buddies who doesn't listen yet,

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Speaker 1: and tell them why you think that maybe they should

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Speaker 1: and how this podcast might help them. If you do that, man,

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Speaker 1: I would be forever grateful, So thanks in advance. And

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Speaker 1: speaking of thanks, I want to give a big thank

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Speaker 1: you to our partners at Sitka gear Yeddie Cooler's, Matthew's Archery,

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Speaker 1: maybeon Optics, the White Tailed Institute of North America, Trophy

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Speaker 1: Ridge and hunt Terra Maps, And finally, of course, thank

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Speaker 1: you all for listening. I appreciate your time, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: your support, and if you're hunting this weekend, good luck

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Speaker 1: out there, and until next time, stay wired to Hunt,