WEBVTT - Karol Markowicz Show: The Ultimate Pizza Debate with Outkick's Bobby Burack 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.320 Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowin Show on iHeartRadio. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:13.119 After a few weeks of friendship content, I got a 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:16.159 note and I want to respond to it because I 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.880 think it's an interesting question. Here's the note. My boyfriend, 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.200 age thirty six, and I, age thirty two, have been 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.759 dating for six years. We are both Republicans, but in 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:30.080 the last few years, I've moved further right and he's 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.280 moved further left. We love each other and plan to 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.080 get married someday, but I'm afraid we're drifting politically from 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.760 each other and that it will hurt our relationship in 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.800 the long term. We went from agreeing on politics ninety 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.360 percent of the time to disagreeing about fifty percent, even 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.200 though we both voted for Trump after four bad years 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:53.640 of Biden. What do you think? Well, it's funny because 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.080 I want to answer your question. I really do. I 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.280 want to talk about how political differences in a relationship 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:03.840 can cause strain and how it's always better to be 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:09.119 more politically aligned with your spouse rather than less, as 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:12.000 it all goes back to values, right, and the fact 0:01:12.040 --> 0:01:15.520 that you're even writing in means that you know you 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.880 guys are drifting apart in more than just politics. But 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.679 I'm completely caught up in the fact that you're thirty 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:27.440 two and he's thirty six and dating for six years 0:01:27.959 --> 0:01:31.679 and planning to get married someday. It's just such a 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:35.760 huge red flag for me that you've had this long relationship, 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.639 not in your teen years or something, and you aren't 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:44.000 engaged and still see this as something you'll do someday. 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.279 This was an anonymous note or I would have reached 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.960 back out to this person to say, are you sure 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.480 politics is the problem here? It really sounds like something 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.000 else is going on. He's thirty six, what's the delay here? 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:01.000 So yes, I do think that your valueues have criss 0:02:01.000 --> 0:02:04.200 crossed somewhere along the way, and that it may be 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:07.360 a challenge for you guys to go the distance. I'd 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:10.519 love to know which part of politics you're arguing about, 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.720 what's at the core of the problem. Is it economic, 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:18.119 is it social? Foreign policy? I'd say that if your 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:22.280 arguments are about something values based, to you, something that 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.560 you can't get over, you need to think twice about 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:30.959 this relationship. I remember my now husband and I argued 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:35.280 about privatizing social security back when we were dating, and 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:39.760 it was a passionate disagreement, but it ultimately didn't matter 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.160 in the grand scheme of things. If we disagreed on 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.400 something that I consider a deal breaker, I don't know. 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.440 Maybe if he believed in open borders and I very 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:53.760 much don't, or if we disagreed on Israel, something that's 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:56.680 a very touchy subject for me, or something that really 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.800 mattered to me, maybe we wouldn't have been able to proceed. 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.720 But we were also engaged within a year of dating 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.440 because I was thirty and he was thirty two, and 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:10.120 that's the path that thirty somethings take when they're on 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:14.280 a committed relationship that they want to last. So more 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:17.560 than anything else, figure out where you guys stand apart 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:21.240 from politics. What has been the delay in taking this 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:24.800 next step? Don't wait another six years or imagine that 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:28.640 it's only politics holding you guys back. Thanks for listening. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.400 Coming up next and interview with Bobby Barak. Join us 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:33.200 after the break. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.080 Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.600 guest today is Bobby Barak. Bobby is a columnist at 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:47.160 the amazing website OutKick. Hi Bobby, so nice to have you. 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:48.960 On Carol happy to be here. 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.920 This is exciting. I feel like I've been reading you 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:54.880 for a long time and here we are talking sort 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.000 of face to face for the very very first time. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.920 How did you get into being a columnist at outre? 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:01.240 Yeah? 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:02.080 Pretty interesting. 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.000 So when I was in college, it's study Like you're 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:07.160 still in college. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:07.200 I'm not. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.840 I was studying economics and uh it was fine. 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:14.400 I didn't love it, but whatever. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:19.680 And I started a podcast just interviewing different media people. 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.279 Really it's on my own time. It was very poorly produced, 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:26.640 but that's okay. And a guy by the name of 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.200 Jason McIntyre, who was running a website for USA Today 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:33.279 called The Big Lead, said Hey, I like your grind, 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.200 like your your your drive. I would like to bring 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.280 you on to write some stories for us. So I 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:44.000 did that for probably three years, and one of the 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:46.280 people who started to read me was Clay, who at 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:49.800 the time owned out Kick one hundred independently. 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:51.000 He didn't have any partners. 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.560 Clay Travis for anybody who doesn't know who, this is 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:58.200 the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network on iHeart. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.760 So just to bring it all full cert right, So 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.680 there's some crossover there and this was twenty twenty, and 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.800 it's a pretty interesting time in media because Dave Portnoy 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.520 had just sold Barstool Sports I think for four hundred 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.920 and fifty million dollars and he had started Barstool around 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:17.479 the same time Clay had started out Kick, and he 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:19.760 called me and said, you know, there's a really big 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:26.159 opportunity to build something here with sports and politics. There's 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.839 an election coming up. He goes, I think you would 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:32.000 be a really good addition. So he originally just reached 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:35.760 out to me and two other people and he made 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.360 this deal. He said, hey, if we sell this company 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.320 in three years, I will give you X amount of 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.839 money from the sale. And this was a three year 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:48.320 plan and the company actually sold nine months later to Fox, 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.599 so went it very well. And yeah, I mean since 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.800 then the company has changed a lot. We're under a 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:57.440 big corporation now. But it really started with just writing 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.560 online and Clay happening to like some of my work. 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.160 I love that. What's your beat at OutKick? Do you 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:05.760 have one? 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:10.040 Not? Really pretty much is anything. I mean this fall 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.840 I really focused on the election. I did a lot 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:17.719 of electoral map projections and reaction and columns, but I 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.760 tend to just focus on whatever I have a strong 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:23.479 opinion on at the time. You can go from politics 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:28.120 to culture, to sports, to race or really anything, which 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:30.000 is what I like about OutKick. I think that a 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:35.200 lot of times what happens with online writing is journalists 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:39.200 are forced to cover the same beat over and over again, and. 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.680 There's not a lot of fodder always to fill it. 0:06:41.960 --> 0:06:44.520 Like I read the USA today and I see somebody 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:48.240 as a race and ethics columnist. Well, there's not a 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:51.520 race and ethics story every single day, so you end 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.320 up making up content just to fulfill that role. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.039 I try to never that's a good point. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:59.440 Yeah, what do you feel like you're most interested in 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:00.440 right now to cover? 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.760 Well, definitely what's happening with the Trump administration, and there's 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.880 so much that has gone wrong. I believe in the 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:12.360 past a couple of decades within politics like this whole 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.920 idea that the people still control this country as such 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:18.200 a lie. You see people get in office all the time. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:21.840 They only act at the behest of their donors, but 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.280 they get in power because of their voters. 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:25.200 So I like this. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:29.160 Idea of not just Trump, but bringing in outsiders like 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.440 someone like Pete Hegseth who was not groomed through the 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.880 traditional permanent Washington standards. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:36.120 That's fascinating. 0:07:36.800 --> 0:07:41.000 Yeah, and the files have always really been fascinated by 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:44.440 what happened to JFK RFK. We'll see they say they're 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.280 going to release the files. I'm really interested in that. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.560 And I mean right now this week, of course, it 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:52.640 is super Bowl week, so I have some attention on 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:53.240 that as well. 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.960 Right, that's a big big deal. Did you always want 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:57.760 to be in media? 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:00.880 Yeah, I think so. I probably going to think about 0:08:00.880 --> 0:08:03.240 it a lot till I was maybe sixteen. Then it 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.400 hit me like, hey, you know, I got to figure 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.680 out what I should do. Even though I regret focusing 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.600 so much on that early. But when I was seventeen, 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.840 there was this program program I guess there was an 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.960 assignment we all had to do where we had to 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:19.920 job shadow someone. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:21.080 And I job. 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.280 Shadowed someone at a local radio station, really small radio station, 0:08:24.680 --> 0:08:28.000 country music radio station that played Rush Limbaugh. It was 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.200 pretty cool, pretty influential in a small area. And after 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.800 I showed up there and did my interviews and stuff, 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.080 they offered me a job. I did my junior and 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:40.360 senior year. I really liked that, and that's really how 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.960 it started. What would have been the plan B That's 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:49.920 a good question. I've always been fascinated by documentaries. I 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:52.600 guess that's still in the same lane of writing. But 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:56.720 I still want to one day dig in do some 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:01.760 stories that are told historically, maybe inaccurately, and finding out 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.360 the truth of it. So I think I probably would 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:09.120 have always done something in journalism, politics, current events. 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:10.680 But I didn't study economics. 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:12.760 So there was a time where I thought, well, maybe 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:17.040 I'll be a stockbroker, a financial advisor, although I don't 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:19.080 think I would be very good at given financial advice. 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.880 Maybe maybe you know, it could still happen. You don't know. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:26.959 So what is the documentary that you've got planned about? 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.480 Come on, definitely have one in your head. 0:09:31.040 --> 0:09:34.800 No, I mean I want to, Okay, So I whenever 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.040 there's a big story, I start to read and find 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.679 just some questions about it. Right, like a couple of 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.520 years ago with the Russia Ukraine thing, I started to 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.480 dig in deep to World War Two and I started 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:52.440 to wonder, Okay, I work with David Hookstead, who's this 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.720 history military buff, and he started telling me some things. 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.280 I thought, maybe this doesn't add up. But there are 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:02.599 even some smaller stories that I think would be interesting, 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:06.079 like the original rise of the Internet. What was the 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:07.120 intent behind that? 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:07.640 Who? 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:11.079 What was the grand plan? I read a lot about 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:15.880 artificial intelligence. Did the original people who invested in AI 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:21.119 know what it could become? Which is artificial genetic intelligence 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.120 where you're gonna have robots. So I just think there's 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.600 so many stories there that I want to dig deeper. 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.560 In the Old West, for example, Carol, I'm not sure 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:36.000 if the way the Old West is presented is totally accurate. 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:38.319 We also saw that movie The Reverend. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.560 Where Leonardo DiCaprio is molded by a bear. I don't 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.240 think that story's true. No, cold it is. Now there's 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:49.559 so many Old West shootouts and tails. Sure that's right either. 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:50.719 That's all my. 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.840 Old West information from Young Guns too. The first Young 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:56.600 Guns was not that great, but young Guns too. They 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:58.160 can't be historically inaccurate. 0:10:58.240 --> 0:11:01.559 Cannon, Yeah, I think they all are. The Mob. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.160 I'm fascinated by the Mob. I don't think that's accurate either, 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.280 especially during the age of the Five Families. So I 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.320 just listed off like fifteen different topics right opinone's interested 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:15.760 in any of them, but they all intrigue me right. 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:18.160 If anyone's interested in funding any of these projects, you've 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.960 get in such a bobby, I agree. And also, yeah, 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:22.480 well I was going to say, we have this thing 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.000 in Brooklyn, you know, where we say there's no such 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.280 thing as the mafia. You watch too many movies, So. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:29.400 Okay, all right. 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:33.880 Also, and I've been open about this, maybe someone should 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:35.600 take it up Fox somebody. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:36.520 I think we. 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:42.400 Need a alternative to SNL, a conservative version, one that's funny, 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.520 one that's willing to make fun of everyone. I want 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:46.640 to work on that project too. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.239 That's a really good idea. Actually, I mean, any conservative 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:54.079 content really, because everything is so saturated with liberal opinion 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:57.960 that anything conservative I feel like we do at least 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.959 sort of. Well. I think it was Charles who said 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.240 Fox picked up, you know, a niche market when they 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.760 started half the country, So that was always a line 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:13.880 that I really enjoyed. So documentaries, you know, maybe stockbrokering 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.800 in your future. Is there anything you feel like you 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:18.720 missed out on doing? 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.560 No, I mean, one of the cool things that I 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.880 do is I pretty much have the editorial freedom to 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:28.440 write about any topics, So I pretty much can do 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:30.520 or explore any topic. 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:33.079 I watched. There's not much I miss out on. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.520 I mean, would it have been cool to have a 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.600 law degree to maybe break down some of these stories 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:44.400 from that perspective. Yeah, But I'm so I'm so anti 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:47.559 the whole college structure now that I really don't think 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.480 I could have lasted longer. I just didn't like all 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.120 of it. The more I've learned, I actually regret going entirely. 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:55.880 I think that it was a waste of time. I 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:57.640 think it's a waste time for a lot of people. 0:12:57.679 --> 0:12:59.840 So I don't think I would have wanted wanted to 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:01.720 go to law school. But I think the value of 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.600 a law degree is pretty significant, right. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.480 I mean, Clay Travis has a lot of degree. I 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:10.480 was very interested to learn that. I think he uses 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.360 it in his you know, definitely in his opinion making. 0:13:14.400 --> 0:13:17.199 I've heard him refer to different legal things in it. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.280 Sure it's useful, But I consider graduate school the most 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:24.200 expensive mistake I've ever made. So and I only went 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.040 for one year. I mean, it was a one year program, 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.480 but it cost a whole lot. And nobody has ever 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.240 asked to see my diploma or my grades or anything. 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:37.520 It was like, yeah, same here, Yeah, and just it's 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:40.719 hard to, I think, quantify what you lose out when 0:13:40.720 --> 0:13:44.040 you go to college, because it is very hard, I think, 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:49.040 to think independently there because you're surrounded by these wacky, 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:53.400 very opinionated professors who pretty much demand that you think 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.560 exactly like they do, and there's peer pressure all over 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.920 the place. I understand if you're going for STEM you 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.000 need that degree, but when it comes to liberal arts 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:06.040 and stuff, I just I don't see it. I don't 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.920 think I learned much at all in college. I think 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:14.440 you learn much more experiencing life, talking to people who 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:15.360 do what you want to do. 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:16.360 In traveling. 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:19.960 I think traveling is very illuminating that a lot of 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.240 times you can't do when you're in college because you 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:24.880 have exams and you're spending so much money. 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.360 Right, you spend all your money on the textbooks and 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:31.280 the classes that you can't go travel. It's an interesting 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.040 question because I have my oldest is fourteen. I mean, 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:36.000 this is a question we're going to be butting up 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.640 against in the next few years. It's like, on one hand, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.560 you want to say college is pointless. I found it pointless. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.440 I agree with you. You know totally nothing that I 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.480 learned in college has helped me even one iota along 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:52.640 the way, but it's the right of passage. I'm not 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:56.160 sure that I'm brave enough to tell my kids to 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.880 pick another path. If they have an idea, you know, 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.400 what they want to do, and they college, great. But 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.080 if they're like, I don't know what I want to do, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:04.600 I'm not sure I would just be like, well, go 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.520 start working and figure it out. I don't know. It's 0:15:07.600 --> 0:15:09.920 really it's it's tougher than it seems to say to 0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:12.280 your kids, like, don't do the thing that everybody's doing. 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:14.800 Yeah, I think there's a lot to it. I interviewed 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:17.080 Ben Shapiro on our site a couple of years ago, 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.600 and he runs a business somewhat. I think he still 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:21.360 has ownership and the company. 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:21.720 He said. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:26.680 The problem is is that businesses are not legally allowed 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:30.640 to make someone take an IQ test. SOW degree is 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.960 pretty much just one way to realize, Okay, this person 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:39.880 is capable of thinking. It pretty much is just key too, Okay, 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.800 this person is competent. And but I don't think a 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:49.239 college degree ever necessarily can guarantee that someone is capable 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:51.520 of doing the job. Yes, they might be able to 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:52.720 pass some test. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.080 But I mean, I grew. 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:57.120 Up in a very, very small town and a lot 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:03.880 of my friends are truck drivers. They build barns, roofs, farmers, 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:09.960 and I find them much more independently minded than some 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.640 of my friends who went to grad school and our 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.280 accountants or teachers or professors. So I just don't buy 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.000 into any of that at all. So I would not 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.040 I will never tell someone not to go to college, 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.320 because I think there are certain jobs that demand it. 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:30.720 But if you want to be a journalist and independent journalist, don't, right, I. 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:32.880 Would say, just start doing it and see how that 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.160 goes for you. Yeah, what do you worry about? 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:37.800 Oh that's a good question. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.400 So if you'd asked me this ten years ago, I 0:16:39.440 --> 0:16:42.160 would have said everything I was. I worried about everything. 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.080 Can you look super young? Like I would be, like 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:48.120 ten years ago you were like ten, right. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:53.320 So seventeen ten years ago, So yeah, I worried about everything, 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:55.600 But now I don't worry. 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:56.040 About a lot. 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:00.720 I would say, I think you worry that time is 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.040 limited with people you really care about that you're older, right, Like, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.560 you can't guarantee that, and life takes you away from 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:13.399 them geographically, just time wise, So you wonder, Okay, you know, 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:17.560 are you spending your time wisely? Are you focusing too 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.800 much on work? And maybe you should be visiting relatives. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.280 I've had a lot of just sudden deaths in the family, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.000 and every time it's eye opening of oh, you know, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.280 maybe on that weekend I should have went to that 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:30.920 family or a union. I think you worry about things 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:32.880 that are out of your control. I mean, I never 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.880 worry about myself, honestly, I feel like, whatever happens, I'll 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.520 figure it out. But the things that you can't control, 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.119 like somebody you know getting cancer or getting sick, or 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.200 dying in a car accident, I think those are things 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:46.520 that are always in the back of your mind. 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.600 We're going to take a quick break and be right 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:54.320 back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What advice would you 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:55.720 give your sixteen year old self? 0:17:56.280 --> 0:17:57.040 Live in the moment. 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:01.040 Right when somebody's upset, it's usually for one or two reasons. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:05.199 They're worried about the future, or they regret something in 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.200 the past, they're worried that it's going to come up. Usually, 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.160 when you just live in the moment and don't think 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:12.800 about either the past or the present, I think you're 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.640 usually pretty happy. Right, There's very few times where I've 0:18:16.720 --> 0:18:19.040 just been miserable in the moment. 0:18:19.200 --> 0:18:20.560 The times that I've been like. 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:24.639 Full of anxiety or worried or depressed, it's something that 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.159 happened before, or trying to make some hard decisions. So, 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:32.080 especially when you're sixteen, don't worry so much about the future, 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:34.480 because honestly, you're probably going to go on a path 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.960 that you didn't predict. I know I certainly didn't. Right. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.880 It's interesting because you said you were worrying ten years ago, 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.879 and that was seventeen. You know, when I think about 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.120 my sixteen year old self, that was a person free 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:47.320 of worried. I had nothing to worry about, you know, 0:18:47.320 --> 0:18:49.679 I had parents who took care of me, and I 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:51.159 didn't have you know, I didn't have to do very 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.160 much other than go to school. But you were already 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:58.400 kind of pre worrying all your all your stuff from adulthood. 0:18:59.040 --> 0:18:59.920 Yeah, you do. 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.000 I think a lot of it is societal pressure too, Right. 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.400 You have these teachers who are like, hell, you got 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.280 to get a good SAT score to get into this college, 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.520 or you start to You have a lot of decisions 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:16.880 because when you're sixteen, you haven't really made real decisions. Yeah. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.840 I think when you're sixteen seventeen, you start to make 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.439 some real decisions. Am I going to go to college? 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:26.080 Should I get a job? Should I know, save money 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.360 for a car? Is it worth going to this party 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:31.199 at night? Like I think you just you start to 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.879 have to for the first time in your life calculate 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:36.400 is something worth it or not? It could be very distressing, 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:37.119 and it was for me. 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.439 Yeah. Absolutely. Where did you grow up? 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:45.560 A small small town called Peck, Michigan. I graduated Carol 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:47.439 with I think twenty five people. 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.560 Wow, that's your entire grade? 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:52.040 Am I tire grade? Yeah? 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.560 Wow, that's crazy to go back a lot? 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:55.720 Not a lot. 0:19:56.800 --> 0:19:59.760 There's not much there to go back to. There's a 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:03.800 big I guess, but no, there's just really not much there. 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:09.200 I grew up in a really small town. Never really 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:13.960 was interested in like the big city life. Well, I've 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.880 gotten to like it more over the past couple of years, 0:20:16.880 --> 0:20:17.399 I will admit. 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.520 What do you like about it? 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:20.359 The city life? 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:25.399 Yeah, I'm always curious about the transition, because, yeah, I 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.080 grew up in a city. I never knew anything else, 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:32.160 you know, I'm just curious how you go from small 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:33.720 town to the city and enjoy it. 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:35.240 Well things A couple of things. 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:38.280 One is like, so I'm not too far from Chicago, 0:20:38.280 --> 0:20:42.719 and I know the reputation Chicago's awful. Like waking up 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.560 in a hotel and walking down and seeing the architecture, 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.600 the high rises, the skyscraper. I just think Chicago is beautiful. 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:53.080 You have the river, and there's so much to do, 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:55.399 especially in a city like that, and you can go 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:58.359 to a sports bar one night, a comedy club the next. 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:01.360 I didn't have that growing up at all. I mean, 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:05.520