Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowin Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: After a few weeks of friendship content, I got a
Speaker 1: note and I want to respond to it because I
Speaker 1: think it's an interesting question. Here's the note. My boyfriend,
Speaker 1: age thirty six, and I, age thirty two, have been
Speaker 1: dating for six years. We are both Republicans, but in
Speaker 1: the last few years, I've moved further right and he's
Speaker 1: moved further left. We love each other and plan to
Speaker 1: get married someday, but I'm afraid we're drifting politically from
Speaker 1: each other and that it will hurt our relationship in
Speaker 1: the long term. We went from agreeing on politics ninety
Speaker 1: percent of the time to disagreeing about fifty percent, even
Speaker 1: though we both voted for Trump after four bad years
Speaker 1: of Biden. What do you think? Well, it's funny because
Speaker 1: I want to answer your question. I really do. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about how political differences in a relationship
Speaker 1: can cause strain and how it's always better to be
Speaker 1: more politically aligned with your spouse rather than less, as
Speaker 1: it all goes back to values, right, and the fact
Speaker 1: that you're even writing in means that you know you
Speaker 1: guys are drifting apart in more than just politics. But
Speaker 1: I'm completely caught up in the fact that you're thirty
Speaker 1: two and he's thirty six and dating for six years
Speaker 1: and planning to get married someday. It's just such a
Speaker 1: huge red flag for me that you've had this long relationship,
Speaker 1: not in your teen years or something, and you aren't
Speaker 1: engaged and still see this as something you'll do someday.
Speaker 1: This was an anonymous note or I would have reached
Speaker 1: back out to this person to say, are you sure
Speaker 1: politics is the problem here? It really sounds like something
Speaker 1: else is going on. He's thirty six, what's the delay here?
Speaker 1: So yes, I do think that your valueues have criss
Speaker 1: crossed somewhere along the way, and that it may be
Speaker 1: a challenge for you guys to go the distance. I'd
Speaker 1: love to know which part of politics you're arguing about,
Speaker 1: what's at the core of the problem. Is it economic,
Speaker 1: is it social? Foreign policy? I'd say that if your
Speaker 1: arguments are about something values based, to you, something that
Speaker 1: you can't get over, you need to think twice about
Speaker 1: this relationship. I remember my now husband and I argued
Speaker 1: about privatizing social security back when we were dating, and
Speaker 1: it was a passionate disagreement, but it ultimately didn't matter
Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things. If we disagreed on
Speaker 1: something that I consider a deal breaker, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe if he believed in open borders and I very
Speaker 1: much don't, or if we disagreed on Israel, something that's
Speaker 1: a very touchy subject for me, or something that really
Speaker 1: mattered to me, maybe we wouldn't have been able to proceed.
Speaker 1: But we were also engaged within a year of dating
Speaker 1: because I was thirty and he was thirty two, and
Speaker 1: that's the path that thirty somethings take when they're on
Speaker 1: a committed relationship that they want to last. So more
Speaker 1: than anything else, figure out where you guys stand apart
Speaker 1: from politics. What has been the delay in taking this
Speaker 1: next step? Don't wait another six years or imagine that
Speaker 1: it's only politics holding you guys back. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 1: Coming up next and interview with Bobby Barak. Join us
Speaker 1: after the break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My
Speaker 2: guest today is Bobby Barak. Bobby is a columnist at
Speaker 2: the amazing website OutKick. Hi Bobby, so nice to have you.
Speaker 3: On Carol happy to be here.
Speaker 2: This is exciting. I feel like I've been reading you
Speaker 2: for a long time and here we are talking sort
Speaker 2: of face to face for the very very first time.
Speaker 2: How did you get into being a columnist at outre?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Pretty interesting.
Speaker 4: So when I was in college, it's study Like you're
Speaker 4: still in college.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 4: I was studying economics and uh it was fine.
Speaker 3: I didn't love it, but whatever.
Speaker 4: And I started a podcast just interviewing different media people.
Speaker 4: Really it's on my own time. It was very poorly produced,
Speaker 4: but that's okay. And a guy by the name of
Speaker 4: Jason McIntyre, who was running a website for USA Today
Speaker 4: called The Big Lead, said Hey, I like your grind,
Speaker 4: like your your your drive. I would like to bring
Speaker 4: you on to write some stories for us. So I
Speaker 4: did that for probably three years, and one of the
Speaker 4: people who started to read me was Clay, who at
Speaker 4: the time owned out Kick one hundred independently.
Speaker 3: He didn't have any partners.
Speaker 2: Clay Travis for anybody who doesn't know who, this is
Speaker 2: the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network on iHeart.
Speaker 4: So just to bring it all full cert right, So
Speaker 4: there's some crossover there and this was twenty twenty, and
Speaker 4: it's a pretty interesting time in media because Dave Portnoy
Speaker 4: had just sold Barstool Sports I think for four hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty million dollars and he had started Barstool around
Speaker 4: the same time Clay had started out Kick, and he
Speaker 4: called me and said, you know, there's a really big
Speaker 4: opportunity to build something here with sports and politics. There's
Speaker 4: an election coming up. He goes, I think you would
Speaker 4: be a really good addition. So he originally just reached
Speaker 4: out to me and two other people and he made
Speaker 4: this deal. He said, hey, if we sell this company
Speaker 4: in three years, I will give you X amount of
Speaker 4: money from the sale. And this was a three year
Speaker 4: plan and the company actually sold nine months later to Fox,
Speaker 4: so went it very well. And yeah, I mean since
Speaker 4: then the company has changed a lot. We're under a
Speaker 4: big corporation now. But it really started with just writing
Speaker 4: online and Clay happening to like some of my work.
Speaker 2: I love that. What's your beat at OutKick? Do you
Speaker 2: have one?
Speaker 4: Not? Really pretty much is anything. I mean this fall
Speaker 4: I really focused on the election. I did a lot
Speaker 4: of electoral map projections and reaction and columns, but I
Speaker 4: tend to just focus on whatever I have a strong
Speaker 4: opinion on at the time. You can go from politics
Speaker 4: to culture, to sports, to race or really anything, which
Speaker 4: is what I like about OutKick. I think that a
Speaker 4: lot of times what happens with online writing is journalists
Speaker 4: are forced to cover the same beat over and over again, and.
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of fodder always to fill it.
Speaker 4: Like I read the USA today and I see somebody
Speaker 4: as a race and ethics columnist. Well, there's not a
Speaker 4: race and ethics story every single day, so you end
Speaker 4: up making up content just to fulfill that role.
Speaker 3: I try to never that's a good point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you feel like you're most interested in
Speaker 2: right now to cover?
Speaker 4: Well, definitely what's happening with the Trump administration, and there's
Speaker 4: so much that has gone wrong. I believe in the
Speaker 4: past a couple of decades within politics like this whole
Speaker 4: idea that the people still control this country as such
Speaker 4: a lie. You see people get in office all the time.
Speaker 4: They only act at the behest of their donors, but
Speaker 4: they get in power because of their voters.
Speaker 3: So I like this.
Speaker 4: Idea of not just Trump, but bringing in outsiders like
Speaker 4: someone like Pete Hegseth who was not groomed through the
Speaker 4: traditional permanent Washington standards.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the files have always really been fascinated by
Speaker 4: what happened to JFK RFK. We'll see they say they're
Speaker 4: going to release the files. I'm really interested in that.
Speaker 4: And I mean right now this week, of course, it
Speaker 4: is super Bowl week, so I have some attention on
Speaker 4: that as well.
Speaker 2: Right, that's a big big deal. Did you always want
Speaker 2: to be in media?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I probably going to think about
Speaker 4: it a lot till I was maybe sixteen. Then it
Speaker 4: hit me like, hey, you know, I got to figure
Speaker 4: out what I should do. Even though I regret focusing
Speaker 4: so much on that early. But when I was seventeen,
Speaker 4: there was this program program I guess there was an
Speaker 4: assignment we all had to do where we had to
Speaker 4: job shadow someone.
Speaker 3: And I job.
Speaker 4: Shadowed someone at a local radio station, really small radio station,
Speaker 4: country music radio station that played Rush Limbaugh. It was
Speaker 4: pretty cool, pretty influential in a small area. And after
Speaker 4: I showed up there and did my interviews and stuff,
Speaker 4: they offered me a job. I did my junior and
Speaker 4: senior year. I really liked that, and that's really how
Speaker 4: it started. What would have been the plan B That's
Speaker 4: a good question. I've always been fascinated by documentaries. I
Speaker 4: guess that's still in the same lane of writing. But
Speaker 4: I still want to one day dig in do some
Speaker 4: stories that are told historically, maybe inaccurately, and finding out
Speaker 4: the truth of it. So I think I probably would
Speaker 4: have always done something in journalism, politics, current events.
Speaker 3: But I didn't study economics.
Speaker 4: So there was a time where I thought, well, maybe
Speaker 4: I'll be a stockbroker, a financial advisor, although I don't
Speaker 4: think I would be very good at given financial advice.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you know, it could still happen. You don't know.
Speaker 2: So what is the documentary that you've got planned about?
Speaker 2: Come on, definitely have one in your head.
Speaker 4: No, I mean I want to, Okay, So I whenever
Speaker 4: there's a big story, I start to read and find
Speaker 4: just some questions about it. Right, like a couple of
Speaker 4: years ago with the Russia Ukraine thing, I started to
Speaker 4: dig in deep to World War Two and I started
Speaker 4: to wonder, Okay, I work with David Hookstead, who's this
Speaker 4: history military buff, and he started telling me some things.
Speaker 4: I thought, maybe this doesn't add up. But there are
Speaker 4: even some smaller stories that I think would be interesting,
Speaker 4: like the original rise of the Internet. What was the
Speaker 4: intent behind that?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 4: What was the grand plan? I read a lot about
Speaker 4: artificial intelligence. Did the original people who invested in AI
Speaker 4: know what it could become? Which is artificial genetic intelligence
Speaker 4: where you're gonna have robots. So I just think there's
Speaker 4: so many stories there that I want to dig deeper.
Speaker 4: In the Old West, for example, Carol, I'm not sure
Speaker 4: if the way the Old West is presented is totally accurate.
Speaker 3: We also saw that movie The Reverend.
Speaker 4: Where Leonardo DiCaprio is molded by a bear. I don't
Speaker 4: think that story's true. No, cold it is. Now there's
Speaker 4: so many Old West shootouts and tails. Sure that's right either.
Speaker 4: That's all my.
Speaker 2: Old West information from Young Guns too. The first Young
Speaker 2: Guns was not that great, but young Guns too. They
Speaker 2: can't be historically inaccurate.
Speaker 3: Cannon, Yeah, I think they all are. The Mob.
Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by the Mob. I don't think that's accurate either,
Speaker 4: especially during the age of the Five Families. So I
Speaker 4: just listed off like fifteen different topics right opinone's interested
Speaker 4: in any of them, but they all intrigue me right.
Speaker 2: If anyone's interested in funding any of these projects, you've
Speaker 2: get in such a bobby, I agree. And also, yeah,
Speaker 2: well I was going to say, we have this thing
Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, you know, where we say there's no such
Speaker 2: thing as the mafia. You watch too many movies, So.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
Speaker 4: Also, and I've been open about this, maybe someone should
Speaker 4: take it up Fox somebody.
Speaker 3: I think we.
Speaker 4: Need a alternative to SNL, a conservative version, one that's funny,
Speaker 4: one that's willing to make fun of everyone. I want
Speaker 4: to work on that project too.
Speaker 2: That's a really good idea. Actually, I mean, any conservative
Speaker 2: content really, because everything is so saturated with liberal opinion
Speaker 2: that anything conservative I feel like we do at least
Speaker 2: sort of. Well. I think it was Charles who said
Speaker 2: Fox picked up, you know, a niche market when they
Speaker 2: started half the country, So that was always a line
Speaker 2: that I really enjoyed. So documentaries, you know, maybe stockbrokering
Speaker 2: in your future. Is there anything you feel like you
Speaker 2: missed out on doing?
Speaker 4: No, I mean, one of the cool things that I
Speaker 4: do is I pretty much have the editorial freedom to
Speaker 4: write about any topics, So I pretty much can do
Speaker 4: or explore any topic.
Speaker 3: I watched. There's not much I miss out on.
Speaker 4: I mean, would it have been cool to have a
Speaker 4: law degree to maybe break down some of these stories
Speaker 4: from that perspective. Yeah, But I'm so I'm so anti
Speaker 4: the whole college structure now that I really don't think
Speaker 4: I could have lasted longer. I just didn't like all
Speaker 4: of it. The more I've learned, I actually regret going entirely.
Speaker 4: I think that it was a waste of time. I
Speaker 4: think it's a waste time for a lot of people.
Speaker 4: So I don't think I would have wanted wanted to
Speaker 4: go to law school. But I think the value of
Speaker 4: a law degree is pretty significant, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, Clay Travis has a lot of degree. I
Speaker 2: was very interested to learn that. I think he uses
Speaker 2: it in his you know, definitely in his opinion making.
Speaker 2: I've heard him refer to different legal things in it.
Speaker 2: Sure it's useful, But I consider graduate school the most
Speaker 2: expensive mistake I've ever made. So and I only went
Speaker 2: for one year. I mean, it was a one year program,
Speaker 2: but it cost a whole lot. And nobody has ever
Speaker 2: asked to see my diploma or my grades or anything.
Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, same here, Yeah, and just it's
Speaker 4: hard to, I think, quantify what you lose out when
Speaker 4: you go to college, because it is very hard, I think,
Speaker 4: to think independently there because you're surrounded by these wacky,
Speaker 4: very opinionated professors who pretty much demand that you think
Speaker 4: exactly like they do, and there's peer pressure all over
Speaker 4: the place. I understand if you're going for STEM you
Speaker 4: need that degree, but when it comes to liberal arts
Speaker 4: and stuff, I just I don't see it. I don't
Speaker 4: think I learned much at all in college. I think
Speaker 4: you learn much more experiencing life, talking to people who
Speaker 4: do what you want to do.
Speaker 3: In traveling.
Speaker 4: I think traveling is very illuminating that a lot of
Speaker 4: times you can't do when you're in college because you
Speaker 4: have exams and you're spending so much money.
Speaker 2: Right, you spend all your money on the textbooks and
Speaker 2: the classes that you can't go travel. It's an interesting
Speaker 2: question because I have my oldest is fourteen. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is a question we're going to be butting up
Speaker 2: against in the next few years. It's like, on one hand,
Speaker 2: you want to say college is pointless. I found it pointless.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. You know totally nothing that I
Speaker 2: learned in college has helped me even one iota along
Speaker 2: the way, but it's the right of passage. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure that I'm brave enough to tell my kids to
Speaker 2: pick another path. If they have an idea, you know,
Speaker 2: what they want to do, and they college, great. But
Speaker 2: if they're like, I don't know what I want to do,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I would just be like, well, go
Speaker 2: start working and figure it out. I don't know. It's
Speaker 2: really it's it's tougher than it seems to say to
Speaker 2: your kids, like, don't do the thing that everybody's doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot to it. I interviewed
Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro on our site a couple of years ago,
Speaker 4: and he runs a business somewhat. I think he still
Speaker 4: has ownership and the company.
Speaker 3: He said.
Speaker 4: The problem is is that businesses are not legally allowed
Speaker 4: to make someone take an IQ test. SOW degree is
Speaker 4: pretty much just one way to realize, Okay, this person
Speaker 4: is capable of thinking. It pretty much is just key too, Okay,
Speaker 4: this person is competent. And but I don't think a
Speaker 4: college degree ever necessarily can guarantee that someone is capable
Speaker 4: of doing the job. Yes, they might be able to
Speaker 4: pass some test.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I grew.
Speaker 4: Up in a very, very small town and a lot
Speaker 4: of my friends are truck drivers. They build barns, roofs, farmers,
Speaker 4: and I find them much more independently minded than some
Speaker 4: of my friends who went to grad school and our
Speaker 4: accountants or teachers or professors. So I just don't buy
Speaker 4: into any of that at all. So I would not
Speaker 4: I will never tell someone not to go to college,
Speaker 4: because I think there are certain jobs that demand it.
Speaker 4: But if you want to be a journalist and independent journalist, don't, right, I.
Speaker 2: Would say, just start doing it and see how that
Speaker 2: goes for you. Yeah, what do you worry about?
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good question.
Speaker 4: So if you'd asked me this ten years ago, I
Speaker 4: would have said everything I was. I worried about everything.
Speaker 2: Can you look super young? Like I would be, like
Speaker 2: ten years ago you were like ten, right.
Speaker 4: So seventeen ten years ago, So yeah, I worried about everything,
Speaker 4: But now I don't worry.
Speaker 3: About a lot.
Speaker 4: I would say, I think you worry that time is
Speaker 4: limited with people you really care about that you're older, right, Like,
Speaker 4: you can't guarantee that, and life takes you away from
Speaker 4: them geographically, just time wise, So you wonder, Okay, you know,
Speaker 4: are you spending your time wisely? Are you focusing too
Speaker 4: much on work? And maybe you should be visiting relatives.
Speaker 4: I've had a lot of just sudden deaths in the family,
Speaker 4: and every time it's eye opening of oh, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe on that weekend I should have went to that
Speaker 4: family or a union. I think you worry about things
Speaker 4: that are out of your control. I mean, I never
Speaker 4: worry about myself, honestly, I feel like, whatever happens, I'll
Speaker 4: figure it out. But the things that you can't control,
Speaker 4: like somebody you know getting cancer or getting sick, or
Speaker 4: dying in a car accident, I think those are things
Speaker 4: that are always in the back of your mind.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and be right
Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What advice would you
Speaker 2: give your sixteen year old self?
Speaker 3: Live in the moment.
Speaker 4: Right when somebody's upset, it's usually for one or two reasons.
Speaker 4: They're worried about the future, or they regret something in
Speaker 4: the past, they're worried that it's going to come up. Usually,
Speaker 4: when you just live in the moment and don't think
Speaker 4: about either the past or the present, I think you're
Speaker 4: usually pretty happy. Right, There's very few times where I've
Speaker 4: just been miserable in the moment.
Speaker 3: The times that I've been like.
Speaker 4: Full of anxiety or worried or depressed, it's something that
Speaker 4: happened before, or trying to make some hard decisions. So,
Speaker 4: especially when you're sixteen, don't worry so much about the future,
Speaker 4: because honestly, you're probably going to go on a path
Speaker 4: that you didn't predict. I know I certainly didn't. Right.
Speaker 2: It's interesting because you said you were worrying ten years ago,
Speaker 2: and that was seventeen. You know, when I think about
Speaker 2: my sixteen year old self, that was a person free
Speaker 2: of worried. I had nothing to worry about, you know,
Speaker 2: I had parents who took care of me, and I
Speaker 2: didn't have you know, I didn't have to do very
Speaker 2: much other than go to school. But you were already
Speaker 2: kind of pre worrying all your all your stuff from adulthood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of it is societal pressure too, Right.
Speaker 4: You have these teachers who are like, hell, you got
Speaker 4: to get a good SAT score to get into this college,
Speaker 4: or you start to You have a lot of decisions
Speaker 4: because when you're sixteen, you haven't really made real decisions. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think when you're sixteen seventeen, you start to make
Speaker 4: some real decisions. Am I going to go to college?
Speaker 4: Should I get a job? Should I know, save money
Speaker 4: for a car? Is it worth going to this party
Speaker 4: at night? Like I think you just you start to
Speaker 4: have to for the first time in your life calculate
Speaker 4: is something worth it or not? It could be very distressing,
Speaker 4: and it was for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Where did you grow up?
Speaker 4: A small small town called Peck, Michigan. I graduated Carol
Speaker 4: with I think twenty five people.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's your entire grade?
Speaker 3: Am I tire grade? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy to go back a lot?
Speaker 3: Not a lot.
Speaker 4: There's not much there to go back to. There's a
Speaker 4: big I guess, but no, there's just really not much there.
Speaker 4: I grew up in a really small town. Never really
Speaker 4: was interested in like the big city life. Well, I've
Speaker 4: gotten to like it more over the past couple of years,
Speaker 4: I will admit.
Speaker 2: What do you like about it?
Speaker 3: The city life?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always curious about the transition, because, yeah, I
Speaker 2: grew up in a city. I never knew anything else,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm just curious how you go from small
Speaker 2: town to the city and enjoy it.
Speaker 3: Well things A couple of things.
Speaker 4: One is like, so I'm not too far from Chicago,
Speaker 4: and I know the reputation Chicago's awful. Like waking up
Speaker 4: in a hotel and walking down and seeing the architecture,
Speaker 4: the high rises, the skyscraper. I just think Chicago is beautiful.
Speaker 4: You have the river, and there's so much to do,
Speaker 4: especially in a city like that, and you can go
Speaker 4: to a sports bar one night, a comedy club the next.
Speaker 4: I didn't have that growing up at all. I mean,
Speaker 4: even to go to a Walmart was twenty five throwing drive.
Speaker 4: So being able to walk somewhere and not have to
Speaker 4: drive there is pretty unique to me.
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, And I mean Chicago has some really good
Speaker 2: cast roles that they call pizzas well.
Speaker 3: So I have a hot take for you.
Speaker 2: I want to hear it.
Speaker 4: I think Chicago pizza is better than New York pizza.
Speaker 2: Here's what you stop that right now.
Speaker 4: New York pizza is not all that much different than
Speaker 4: everyone else pizza, right, Chicago is different.
Speaker 3: It's like if you're.
Speaker 2: Going different, it's very very different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're going to plame superiority you might as
Speaker 4: well go out your own way, right. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I in New York, I'm not like you in New
Speaker 4: York pizza. I can get pizza anywhere, but if I
Speaker 4: go to Chicago, I can't really get that anywhere else.
Speaker 2: I mean, sure, okay, Chicago's style of pizza, and then
Speaker 2: what everybody else is selling is New York style pizza.
Speaker 2: So they just stole New York style. It doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that it's great everywhere else, just as well better.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like I'm thinking a good example. It's
Speaker 4: like if you're going to go the red carpet, like
Speaker 4: if you don't want to look like everyone else, you
Speaker 4: want to be able to be remembered. We saw that
Speaker 4: during the Grammar. So no, I uh, I'm pro Chicago pizza,
Speaker 4: and I'm pro Chicago. Over in New York by the way,
Speaker 4: I Chicago.
Speaker 2: These are some controversial opinions, and I'm you know, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of sour on New York in the last few years,
Speaker 2: but I mean, not not over chicgo. No, not worse
Speaker 2: in Chicago.
Speaker 3: Look, I I.
Speaker 2: Tell me everything, go ahead. I want to hear what
Speaker 2: Chicago's great.
Speaker 4: So I think people are great So, first of all,
Speaker 4: the view of New York is great. The view of
Speaker 4: Chicago pretty similar. A lot fewer people in Chicago, so
Speaker 4: you get to walk without all the people. They're not
Speaker 4: peking on you, sneezing.
Speaker 2: Eyes of freezing outside.
Speaker 3: I like the cold. I like to call.
Speaker 2: I know you're in Florida, in Florida. Yeah, I'm freezing
Speaker 2: over here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: People in Florida, they I mean, they think like fifty
Speaker 4: degrees is freezing. I'm good as long as it's not
Speaker 4: like ten. So go with the Chicago weather. The river,
Speaker 4: beautiful river ride, Lincoln Park, awesome area.
Speaker 3: And also this is a real thing.
Speaker 4: Despite you thinking, well, Chicago, there's all these taxi and
Speaker 4: uber drivers. They're very bad at driving, the Chicago drivers.
Speaker 4: Because there's a plus.
Speaker 3: This is there you need to go.
Speaker 2: Oh, how you're saying New York's drivers. I thought you
Speaker 2: were saying Chicago's Uber drivers are not that great.
Speaker 3: Oh no, Chicago's Uber drivers are pretty good. The New
Speaker 3: York ones not at all. I mean, just bad drivers.
Speaker 3: Take a while. I've always missed something.
Speaker 4: I feel like I'm like ten to fifteen minutes late,
Speaker 4: and they don't believe me. But it actually is the
Speaker 4: driver's fall. So yeah, I mean, check, check, check. I
Speaker 4: don't know what.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, I don't even know. Maybe I'll
Speaker 2: give you Midwest drivers or better. But like we walk
Speaker 2: in everywhere.
Speaker 3: They're nicer people in the Midwest.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean, so, you know, I can't believe
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to be defending New York here, but
Speaker 2: New York is the thing about New Yorkers are when
Speaker 2: I was a New Yorker.
Speaker 3: We're good.
Speaker 2: We're not nice. We're good people, we do good things,
Speaker 2: but we're not nice about it. Like, well, it's the
Speaker 2: it's the whole. The image that people share is you know,
Speaker 2: if a mom is standing with a stroller at the
Speaker 2: bottom of a subway stairs, somebody will just come by,
Speaker 2: grab her stroller, bring it up and not say one word,
Speaker 2: like not even look at her as they do it.
Speaker 2: So they're not polite, but they're good.
Speaker 4: Well I've always said I think people the Northeast are
Speaker 4: the most aggressive, most interesting. People in the Midwest are
Speaker 4: the nicest. People in the South are the sweetest.
Speaker 3: Does that all add up?
Speaker 2: You believe that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? In the West, I don't really care that much
Speaker 3: about Well.
Speaker 2: Here's what they're doing out there like Left Coast whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry everybody, you know, listeners. I didn't expect to
Speaker 2: go through such a controversial take, but you know, this
Speaker 2: is this is what happens sometimes guests, you know, go
Speaker 2: their own way.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look, some people say that a lot
Speaker 4: of my opinion as they think are the minority. But
Speaker 4: I think the Chicago pizza one might be my most polarizing.
Speaker 2: I could see that absolutely well, Bobby, I've loved this
Speaker 2: conversation except the part where you talk about Chicago being
Speaker 2: better than New York. Leave us here with your best
Speaker 2: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, besides get out of New York, right besides yeah,
Speaker 4: best tip, I would say, do what makes you happy. Right, Like,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, no one ever regrets
Speaker 4: a time that made them happy. You regret things you
Speaker 4: missed out, things that went wrong. But if going to
Speaker 4: an event or moving or hanging out with a friend,
Speaker 4: or I don't know, breaking up with somebody and finding
Speaker 4: someone new or just whatever it is, I think, chase happiness.
Speaker 4: Don't chase money, don't chase approval, don't chase status.
Speaker 3: Chase happiness.
Speaker 2: Love it. Thank you so much. Here is Bobby Barak
Speaker 2: check him out at out Kid. Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: Bobby for coming on.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
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