1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowin Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: After a few weeks of friendship content, I got a 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,159 Speaker 1: note and I want to respond to it because I 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: think it's an interesting question. Here's the note. My boyfriend, 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: age thirty six, and I, age thirty two, have been 6 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: dating for six years. We are both Republicans, but in 7 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: the last few years, I've moved further right and he's 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: moved further left. We love each other and plan to 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: get married someday, but I'm afraid we're drifting politically from 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: each other and that it will hurt our relationship in 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: the long term. We went from agreeing on politics ninety 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: percent of the time to disagreeing about fifty percent, even 13 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: though we both voted for Trump after four bad years 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: of Biden. What do you think? Well, it's funny because 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: I want to answer your question. I really do. I 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: want to talk about how political differences in a relationship 17 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: can cause strain and how it's always better to be 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: more politically aligned with your spouse rather than less, as 19 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: it all goes back to values, right, and the fact 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: that you're even writing in means that you know you 21 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: guys are drifting apart in more than just politics. But 22 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: I'm completely caught up in the fact that you're thirty 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: two and he's thirty six and dating for six years 24 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 1: and planning to get married someday. It's just such a 25 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: huge red flag for me that you've had this long relationship, 26 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,639 Speaker 1: not in your teen years or something, and you aren't 27 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: engaged and still see this as something you'll do someday. 28 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:47,279 Speaker 1: This was an anonymous note or I would have reached 29 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: back out to this person to say, are you sure 30 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: politics is the problem here? It really sounds like something 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: else is going on. He's thirty six, what's the delay here? 32 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: So yes, I do think that your valueues have criss 33 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: crossed somewhere along the way, and that it may be 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: a challenge for you guys to go the distance. I'd 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: love to know which part of politics you're arguing about, 36 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: what's at the core of the problem. Is it economic, 37 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 1: is it social? Foreign policy? I'd say that if your 38 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: arguments are about something values based, to you, something that 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: you can't get over, you need to think twice about 40 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: this relationship. I remember my now husband and I argued 41 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: about privatizing social security back when we were dating, and 42 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: it was a passionate disagreement, but it ultimately didn't matter 43 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: in the grand scheme of things. If we disagreed on 44 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: something that I consider a deal breaker, I don't know. 45 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: Maybe if he believed in open borders and I very 46 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: much don't, or if we disagreed on Israel, something that's 47 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: a very touchy subject for me, or something that really 48 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: mattered to me, maybe we wouldn't have been able to proceed. 49 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: But we were also engaged within a year of dating 50 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: because I was thirty and he was thirty two, and 51 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: that's the path that thirty somethings take when they're on 52 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: a committed relationship that they want to last. So more 53 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: than anything else, figure out where you guys stand apart 54 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: from politics. What has been the delay in taking this 55 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: next step? Don't wait another six years or imagine that 56 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: it's only politics holding you guys back. Thanks for listening. 57 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: Coming up next and interview with Bobby Barak. Join us 58 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: after the break. 59 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Marcowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 60 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 2: guest today is Bobby Barak. Bobby is a columnist at 61 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: the amazing website OutKick. Hi Bobby, so nice to have you. 62 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: On Carol happy to be here. 63 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 2: This is exciting. I feel like I've been reading you 64 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: for a long time and here we are talking sort 65 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 2: of face to face for the very very first time. 66 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 2: How did you get into being a columnist at outre? 67 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 4: Yeah? 68 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 3: Pretty interesting. 69 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 4: So when I was in college, it's study Like you're 70 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 4: still in college. 71 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: I'm not. 72 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 4: I was studying economics and uh it was fine. 73 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 3: I didn't love it, but whatever. 74 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 4: And I started a podcast just interviewing different media people. 75 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 4: Really it's on my own time. It was very poorly produced, 76 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 4: but that's okay. And a guy by the name of 77 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 4: Jason McIntyre, who was running a website for USA Today 78 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 4: called The Big Lead, said Hey, I like your grind, 79 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 4: like your your your drive. I would like to bring 80 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 4: you on to write some stories for us. So I 81 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: did that for probably three years, and one of the 82 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 4: people who started to read me was Clay, who at 83 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 4: the time owned out Kick one hundred independently. 84 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: He didn't have any partners. 85 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: Clay Travis for anybody who doesn't know who, this is 86 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton podcast network on iHeart. 87 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: So just to bring it all full cert right, So 88 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 4: there's some crossover there and this was twenty twenty, and 89 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 4: it's a pretty interesting time in media because Dave Portnoy 90 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 4: had just sold Barstool Sports I think for four hundred 91 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 4: and fifty million dollars and he had started Barstool around 92 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 4: the same time Clay had started out Kick, and he 93 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: called me and said, you know, there's a really big 94 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 4: opportunity to build something here with sports and politics. There's 95 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 4: an election coming up. He goes, I think you would 96 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 4: be a really good addition. So he originally just reached 97 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 4: out to me and two other people and he made 98 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 4: this deal. He said, hey, if we sell this company 99 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: in three years, I will give you X amount of 100 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 4: money from the sale. And this was a three year 101 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 4: plan and the company actually sold nine months later to Fox, 102 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 4: so went it very well. And yeah, I mean since 103 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 4: then the company has changed a lot. We're under a 104 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 4: big corporation now. But it really started with just writing 105 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: online and Clay happening to like some of my work. 106 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: I love that. What's your beat at OutKick? Do you 107 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: have one? 108 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 4: Not? Really pretty much is anything. I mean this fall 109 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 4: I really focused on the election. I did a lot 110 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 4: of electoral map projections and reaction and columns, but I 111 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 4: tend to just focus on whatever I have a strong 112 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 4: opinion on at the time. You can go from politics 113 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 4: to culture, to sports, to race or really anything, which 114 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 4: is what I like about OutKick. I think that a 115 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 4: lot of times what happens with online writing is journalists 116 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 4: are forced to cover the same beat over and over again, and. 117 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: There's not a lot of fodder always to fill it. 118 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: Like I read the USA today and I see somebody 119 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 4: as a race and ethics columnist. Well, there's not a 120 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 4: race and ethics story every single day, so you end 121 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: up making up content just to fulfill that role. 122 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 3: I try to never that's a good point. 123 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you feel like you're most interested in 124 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 2: right now to cover? 125 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 4: Well, definitely what's happening with the Trump administration, and there's 126 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 4: so much that has gone wrong. I believe in the 127 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: past a couple of decades within politics like this whole 128 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 4: idea that the people still control this country as such 129 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 4: a lie. You see people get in office all the time. 130 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 4: They only act at the behest of their donors, but 131 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 4: they get in power because of their voters. 132 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: So I like this. 133 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: Idea of not just Trump, but bringing in outsiders like 134 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 4: someone like Pete Hegseth who was not groomed through the 135 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 4: traditional permanent Washington standards. 136 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 3: That's fascinating. 137 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, and the files have always really been fascinated by 138 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 4: what happened to JFK RFK. We'll see they say they're 139 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 4: going to release the files. I'm really interested in that. 140 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: And I mean right now this week, of course, it 141 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 4: is super Bowl week, so I have some attention on 142 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 4: that as well. 143 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: Right, that's a big big deal. Did you always want 144 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 2: to be in media? 145 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I probably going to think about 146 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 4: it a lot till I was maybe sixteen. Then it 147 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 4: hit me like, hey, you know, I got to figure 148 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 4: out what I should do. Even though I regret focusing 149 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 4: so much on that early. But when I was seventeen, 150 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: there was this program program I guess there was an 151 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 4: assignment we all had to do where we had to 152 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 4: job shadow someone. 153 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: And I job. 154 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 4: Shadowed someone at a local radio station, really small radio station, 155 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 4: country music radio station that played Rush Limbaugh. It was 156 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: pretty cool, pretty influential in a small area. And after 157 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 4: I showed up there and did my interviews and stuff, 158 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 4: they offered me a job. I did my junior and 159 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 4: senior year. I really liked that, and that's really how 160 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 4: it started. What would have been the plan B That's 161 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 4: a good question. I've always been fascinated by documentaries. I 162 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 4: guess that's still in the same lane of writing. But 163 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 4: I still want to one day dig in do some 164 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 4: stories that are told historically, maybe inaccurately, and finding out 165 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 4: the truth of it. So I think I probably would 166 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 4: have always done something in journalism, politics, current events. 167 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: But I didn't study economics. 168 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: So there was a time where I thought, well, maybe 169 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 4: I'll be a stockbroker, a financial advisor, although I don't 170 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 4: think I would be very good at given financial advice. 171 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you know, it could still happen. You don't know. 172 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 2: So what is the documentary that you've got planned about? 173 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: Come on, definitely have one in your head. 174 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 4: No, I mean I want to, Okay, So I whenever 175 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: there's a big story, I start to read and find 176 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,679 Speaker 4: just some questions about it. Right, like a couple of 177 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 4: years ago with the Russia Ukraine thing, I started to 178 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 4: dig in deep to World War Two and I started 179 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 4: to wonder, Okay, I work with David Hookstead, who's this 180 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 4: history military buff, and he started telling me some things. 181 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 4: I thought, maybe this doesn't add up. But there are 182 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,599 Speaker 4: even some smaller stories that I think would be interesting, 183 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 4: like the original rise of the Internet. What was the 184 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 4: intent behind that? 185 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: Who? 186 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,079 Speaker 4: What was the grand plan? I read a lot about 187 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 4: artificial intelligence. Did the original people who invested in AI 188 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:21,119 Speaker 4: know what it could become? Which is artificial genetic intelligence 189 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 4: where you're gonna have robots. So I just think there's 190 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 4: so many stories there that I want to dig deeper. 191 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 4: In the Old West, for example, Carol, I'm not sure 192 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 4: if the way the Old West is presented is totally accurate. 193 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 3: We also saw that movie The Reverend. 194 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 4: Where Leonardo DiCaprio is molded by a bear. I don't 195 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: think that story's true. No, cold it is. Now there's 196 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 4: so many Old West shootouts and tails. Sure that's right either. 197 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 4: That's all my. 198 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: Old West information from Young Guns too. The first Young 199 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 2: Guns was not that great, but young Guns too. They 200 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: can't be historically inaccurate. 201 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 3: Cannon, Yeah, I think they all are. The Mob. 202 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 4: I'm fascinated by the Mob. I don't think that's accurate either, 203 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 4: especially during the age of the Five Families. So I 204 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 4: just listed off like fifteen different topics right opinone's interested 205 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 4: in any of them, but they all intrigue me right. 206 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: If anyone's interested in funding any of these projects, you've 207 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: get in such a bobby, I agree. And also, yeah, 208 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 2: well I was going to say, we have this thing 209 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, you know, where we say there's no such 210 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 2: thing as the mafia. You watch too many movies, So. 211 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: Okay, all right. 212 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 4: Also, and I've been open about this, maybe someone should 213 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 4: take it up Fox somebody. 214 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: I think we. 215 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 4: Need a alternative to SNL, a conservative version, one that's funny, 216 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 4: one that's willing to make fun of everyone. I want 217 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 4: to work on that project too. 218 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,239 Speaker 2: That's a really good idea. Actually, I mean, any conservative 219 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: content really, because everything is so saturated with liberal opinion 220 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: that anything conservative I feel like we do at least 221 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 2: sort of. Well. I think it was Charles who said 222 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: Fox picked up, you know, a niche market when they 223 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: started half the country, So that was always a line 224 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 2: that I really enjoyed. So documentaries, you know, maybe stockbrokering 225 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 2: in your future. Is there anything you feel like you 226 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: missed out on doing? 227 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 4: No, I mean, one of the cool things that I 228 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 4: do is I pretty much have the editorial freedom to 229 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 4: write about any topics, So I pretty much can do 230 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 4: or explore any topic. 231 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 3: I watched. There's not much I miss out on. 232 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 4: I mean, would it have been cool to have a 233 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 4: law degree to maybe break down some of these stories 234 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 4: from that perspective. Yeah, But I'm so I'm so anti 235 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 4: the whole college structure now that I really don't think 236 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 4: I could have lasted longer. I just didn't like all 237 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 4: of it. The more I've learned, I actually regret going entirely. 238 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 4: I think that it was a waste of time. I 239 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 4: think it's a waste time for a lot of people. 240 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 4: So I don't think I would have wanted wanted to 241 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 4: go to law school. But I think the value of 242 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 4: a law degree is pretty significant, right. 243 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: I mean, Clay Travis has a lot of degree. I 244 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: was very interested to learn that. I think he uses 245 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: it in his you know, definitely in his opinion making. 246 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: I've heard him refer to different legal things in it. 247 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 2: Sure it's useful, But I consider graduate school the most 248 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 2: expensive mistake I've ever made. So and I only went 249 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: for one year. I mean, it was a one year program, 250 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 2: but it cost a whole lot. And nobody has ever 251 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: asked to see my diploma or my grades or anything. 252 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, same here, Yeah, and just it's 253 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,719 Speaker 4: hard to, I think, quantify what you lose out when 254 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 4: you go to college, because it is very hard, I think, 255 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 4: to think independently there because you're surrounded by these wacky, 256 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 4: very opinionated professors who pretty much demand that you think 257 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 4: exactly like they do, and there's peer pressure all over 258 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 4: the place. I understand if you're going for STEM you 259 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 4: need that degree, but when it comes to liberal arts 260 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 4: and stuff, I just I don't see it. I don't 261 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 4: think I learned much at all in college. I think 262 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 4: you learn much more experiencing life, talking to people who 263 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: do what you want to do. 264 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: In traveling. 265 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 4: I think traveling is very illuminating that a lot of 266 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: times you can't do when you're in college because you 267 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 4: have exams and you're spending so much money. 268 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: Right, you spend all your money on the textbooks and 269 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 2: the classes that you can't go travel. It's an interesting 270 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 2: question because I have my oldest is fourteen. I mean, 271 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: this is a question we're going to be butting up 272 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: against in the next few years. It's like, on one hand, 273 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 2: you want to say college is pointless. I found it pointless. 274 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: I agree with you. You know totally nothing that I 275 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: learned in college has helped me even one iota along 276 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 2: the way, but it's the right of passage. I'm not 277 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: sure that I'm brave enough to tell my kids to 278 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: pick another path. If they have an idea, you know, 279 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: what they want to do, and they college, great. But 280 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 2: if they're like, I don't know what I want to do, 281 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I would just be like, well, go 282 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 2: start working and figure it out. I don't know. It's 283 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: really it's it's tougher than it seems to say to 284 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 2: your kids, like, don't do the thing that everybody's doing. 285 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's a lot to it. I interviewed 286 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro on our site a couple of years ago, 287 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: and he runs a business somewhat. I think he still 288 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 4: has ownership and the company. 289 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 3: He said. 290 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 4: The problem is is that businesses are not legally allowed 291 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 4: to make someone take an IQ test. SOW degree is 292 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 4: pretty much just one way to realize, Okay, this person 293 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 4: is capable of thinking. It pretty much is just key too, Okay, 294 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 4: this person is competent. And but I don't think a 295 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:49,239 Speaker 4: college degree ever necessarily can guarantee that someone is capable 296 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 4: of doing the job. Yes, they might be able to 297 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 4: pass some test. 298 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 3: But I mean, I grew. 299 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 4: Up in a very, very small town and a lot 300 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 4: of my friends are truck drivers. They build barns, roofs, farmers, 301 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 4: and I find them much more independently minded than some 302 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 4: of my friends who went to grad school and our 303 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 4: accountants or teachers or professors. So I just don't buy 304 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 4: into any of that at all. So I would not 305 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 4: I will never tell someone not to go to college, 306 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 4: because I think there are certain jobs that demand it. 307 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 4: But if you want to be a journalist and independent journalist, don't, right, I. 308 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: Would say, just start doing it and see how that 309 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: goes for you. Yeah, what do you worry about? 310 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: Oh that's a good question. 311 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 4: So if you'd asked me this ten years ago, I 312 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 4: would have said everything I was. I worried about everything. 313 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 2: Can you look super young? Like I would be, like 314 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: ten years ago you were like ten, right. 315 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 4: So seventeen ten years ago, So yeah, I worried about everything, 316 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 4: But now I don't worry. 317 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: About a lot. 318 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 4: I would say, I think you worry that time is 319 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 4: limited with people you really care about that you're older, right, Like, 320 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 4: you can't guarantee that, and life takes you away from 321 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 4: them geographically, just time wise, So you wonder, Okay, you know, 322 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 4: are you spending your time wisely? Are you focusing too 323 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 4: much on work? And maybe you should be visiting relatives. 324 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: I've had a lot of just sudden deaths in the family, 325 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 4: and every time it's eye opening of oh, you know, 326 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 4: maybe on that weekend I should have went to that 327 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 4: family or a union. I think you worry about things 328 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 4: that are out of your control. I mean, I never 329 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 4: worry about myself, honestly, I feel like, whatever happens, I'll 330 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 4: figure it out. But the things that you can't control, 331 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 4: like somebody you know getting cancer or getting sick, or 332 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 4: dying in a car accident, I think those are things 333 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 4: that are always in the back of your mind. 334 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: We're going to take a quick break and be right 335 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 2: back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. What advice would you 336 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: give your sixteen year old self? 337 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 3: Live in the moment. 338 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 4: Right when somebody's upset, it's usually for one or two reasons. 339 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:05,199 Speaker 4: They're worried about the future, or they regret something in 340 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 4: the past, they're worried that it's going to come up. Usually, 341 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,160 Speaker 4: when you just live in the moment and don't think 342 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 4: about either the past or the present, I think you're 343 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 4: usually pretty happy. Right, There's very few times where I've 344 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: just been miserable in the moment. 345 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: The times that I've been like. 346 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 4: Full of anxiety or worried or depressed, it's something that 347 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 4: happened before, or trying to make some hard decisions. So, 348 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 4: especially when you're sixteen, don't worry so much about the future, 349 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 4: because honestly, you're probably going to go on a path 350 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 4: that you didn't predict. I know I certainly didn't. Right. 351 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 2: It's interesting because you said you were worrying ten years ago, 352 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 2: and that was seventeen. You know, when I think about 353 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: my sixteen year old self, that was a person free 354 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: of worried. I had nothing to worry about, you know, 355 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 2: I had parents who took care of me, and I 356 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 2: didn't have you know, I didn't have to do very 357 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 2: much other than go to school. But you were already 358 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 2: kind of pre worrying all your all your stuff from adulthood. 359 00:18:59,040 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you do. 360 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 4: I think a lot of it is societal pressure too, Right. 361 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 4: You have these teachers who are like, hell, you got 362 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 4: to get a good SAT score to get into this college, 363 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 4: or you start to You have a lot of decisions 364 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 4: because when you're sixteen, you haven't really made real decisions. Yeah. 365 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 4: I think when you're sixteen seventeen, you start to make 366 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 4: some real decisions. Am I going to go to college? 367 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 4: Should I get a job? Should I know, save money 368 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,360 Speaker 4: for a car? Is it worth going to this party 369 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 4: at night? Like I think you just you start to 370 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 4: have to for the first time in your life calculate 371 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 4: is something worth it or not? It could be very distressing, 372 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 4: and it was for me. 373 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Where did you grow up? 374 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 4: A small small town called Peck, Michigan. I graduated Carol 375 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 4: with I think twenty five people. 376 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: Wow, that's your entire grade? 377 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 3: Am I tire grade? Yeah? 378 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy to go back a lot? 379 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: Not a lot. 380 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 4: There's not much there to go back to. There's a 381 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 4: big I guess, but no, there's just really not much there. 382 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 4: I grew up in a really small town. Never really 383 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 4: was interested in like the big city life. Well, I've 384 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 4: gotten to like it more over the past couple of years, 385 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 4: I will admit. 386 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: What do you like about it? 387 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 3: The city life? 388 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm always curious about the transition, because, yeah, I 389 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 2: grew up in a city. I never knew anything else, 390 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: you know, I'm just curious how you go from small 391 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: town to the city and enjoy it. 392 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: Well things A couple of things. 393 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 4: One is like, so I'm not too far from Chicago, 394 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 4: and I know the reputation Chicago's awful. Like waking up 395 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 4: in a hotel and walking down and seeing the architecture, 396 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 4: the high rises, the skyscraper. I just think Chicago is beautiful. 397 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 4: You have the river, and there's so much to do, 398 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 4: especially in a city like that, and you can go 399 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 4: to a sports bar one night, a comedy club the next. 400 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 4: I didn't have that growing up at all. I mean, 401 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 4: even to go to a Walmart was twenty five throwing drive. 402 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 4: So being able to walk somewhere and not have to 403 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 4: drive there is pretty unique to me. 404 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: Right Yeah, And I mean Chicago has some really good 405 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 2: cast roles that they call pizzas well. 406 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 3: So I have a hot take for you. 407 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: I want to hear it. 408 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 4: I think Chicago pizza is better than New York pizza. 409 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: Here's what you stop that right now. 410 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 4: New York pizza is not all that much different than 411 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 4: everyone else pizza, right, Chicago is different. 412 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 3: It's like if you're. 413 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 2: Going different, it's very very different. 414 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you're going to plame superiority you might as 415 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 4: well go out your own way, right. It's like, yeah, 416 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 4: I in New York, I'm not like you in New 417 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: York pizza. I can get pizza anywhere, but if I 418 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 4: go to Chicago, I can't really get that anywhere else. 419 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 2: I mean, sure, okay, Chicago's style of pizza, and then 420 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 2: what everybody else is selling is New York style pizza. 421 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: So they just stole New York style. It doesn't mean 422 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: that it's great everywhere else, just as well better. 423 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 424 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 4: I mean, it's like I'm thinking a good example. It's 425 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 4: like if you're going to go the red carpet, like 426 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 4: if you don't want to look like everyone else, you 427 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 4: want to be able to be remembered. We saw that 428 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 4: during the Grammar. So no, I uh, I'm pro Chicago pizza, 429 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 4: and I'm pro Chicago. Over in New York by the way, 430 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 4: I Chicago. 431 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 2: These are some controversial opinions, and I'm you know, I'm 432 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 2: kind of sour on New York in the last few years, 433 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 2: but I mean, not not over chicgo. No, not worse 434 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 2: in Chicago. 435 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: Look, I I. 436 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: Tell me everything, go ahead. I want to hear what 437 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 2: Chicago's great. 438 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 4: So I think people are great So, first of all, 439 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 4: the view of New York is great. The view of 440 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 4: Chicago pretty similar. A lot fewer people in Chicago, so 441 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 4: you get to walk without all the people. They're not 442 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 4: peking on you, sneezing. 443 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 2: Eyes of freezing outside. 444 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: I like the cold. I like to call. 445 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 2: I know you're in Florida, in Florida. Yeah, I'm freezing 446 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: over here. 447 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 448 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 4: People in Florida, they I mean, they think like fifty 449 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 4: degrees is freezing. I'm good as long as it's not 450 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 4: like ten. So go with the Chicago weather. The river, 451 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 4: beautiful river ride, Lincoln Park, awesome area. 452 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 3: And also this is a real thing. 453 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 4: Despite you thinking, well, Chicago, there's all these taxi and 454 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 4: uber drivers. They're very bad at driving, the Chicago drivers. 455 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 4: Because there's a plus. 456 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 3: This is there you need to go. 457 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 2: Oh, how you're saying New York's drivers. I thought you 458 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: were saying Chicago's Uber drivers are not that great. 459 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,239 Speaker 3: Oh no, Chicago's Uber drivers are pretty good. The New 460 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: York ones not at all. I mean, just bad drivers. 461 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 3: Take a while. I've always missed something. 462 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm like ten to fifteen minutes late, 463 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 4: and they don't believe me. But it actually is the 464 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 4: driver's fall. So yeah, I mean, check, check, check. I 465 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 4: don't know what. 466 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you know, I don't even know. Maybe I'll 467 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 2: give you Midwest drivers or better. But like we walk 468 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 2: in everywhere. 469 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 3: They're nicer people in the Midwest. 470 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I mean, so, you know, I can't believe 471 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to be defending New York here, but 472 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 2: New York is the thing about New Yorkers are when 473 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 2: I was a New Yorker. 474 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 3: We're good. 475 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 2: We're not nice. We're good people, we do good things, 476 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: but we're not nice about it. Like, well, it's the 477 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 2: it's the whole. The image that people share is you know, 478 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: if a mom is standing with a stroller at the 479 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: bottom of a subway stairs, somebody will just come by, 480 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: grab her stroller, bring it up and not say one word, 481 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,160 Speaker 2: like not even look at her as they do it. 482 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 2: So they're not polite, but they're good. 483 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 4: Well I've always said I think people the Northeast are 484 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 4: the most aggressive, most interesting. People in the Midwest are 485 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 4: the nicest. People in the South are the sweetest. 486 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 3: Does that all add up? 487 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: You believe that? 488 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? In the West, I don't really care that much 489 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 3: about Well. 490 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 2: Here's what they're doing out there like Left Coast whatever. 491 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 2: I'm sorry everybody, you know, listeners. I didn't expect to 492 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 2: go through such a controversial take, but you know, this 493 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: is this is what happens sometimes guests, you know, go 494 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 2: their own way. 495 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, look, some people say that a lot 496 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 4: of my opinion as they think are the minority. But 497 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,879 Speaker 4: I think the Chicago pizza one might be my most polarizing. 498 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 2: I could see that absolutely well, Bobby, I've loved this 499 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 2: conversation except the part where you talk about Chicago being 500 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 2: better than New York. Leave us here with your best 501 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. 502 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, besides get out of New York, right besides yeah, 503 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 4: best tip, I would say, do what makes you happy. Right, Like, 504 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, no one ever regrets 505 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 4: a time that made them happy. You regret things you 506 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 4: missed out, things that went wrong. But if going to 507 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 4: an event or moving or hanging out with a friend, 508 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 4: or I don't know, breaking up with somebody and finding 509 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 4: someone new or just whatever it is, I think, chase happiness. 510 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 4: Don't chase money, don't chase approval, don't chase status. 511 00:25:58,920 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 3: Chase happiness. 512 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 2: Love it. Thank you so much. Here is Bobby Barak 513 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: check him out at out Kid. Thank you so much, 514 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: Bobby for coming on. 515 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 516 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowit Show. 517 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.