1 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: Straight Fire fans me? Jason McIntyre Straight Fire for Tuesday July, 3 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: and we have a first today on the podcast, folks, 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: A first in the I think this is three years 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: to three years. I forget what we've been doing this 6 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 1: a while. Eventually I'll have Rob g figure out how 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: many episodes we've done. Definitely gotta be over six d 8 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: seven hundred at this point. I know a lot of 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: podcasts flame out quickly, but we will one hit of 10 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 1: thousand outside John at any rate. For the first time 11 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: ever on this podcast, I went in with a firm 12 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 1: opinion with our guest and the question, of course, was 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: the Celtics are pondering giving up Jalen Brown for Kevin Duran. 14 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: And instantly it's an obvious no for me, Like why 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: would I do that? Jalen Brown is entering his prime, 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: He just had his best season. He was just the 17 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Celtics best player in the finals, like he is ascending. 18 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Why would I give up a young chip like that, 19 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 1: who I think is the perfect number two on a 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: on a championship team, maybe even a one B if 21 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: you want to go there. Why would I give that 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: up for Kevin Durant, who's about to turn thirty four, 23 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: had a major injury, has had health issues the last 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: couple of years. Why would I do that? And our 25 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: guest started to break down a little bit of the 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown situation, and I flipped, and I think the 27 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: Celtics seriously Now it depends with the packages. Of course 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: that's not fully out there, although there is a report 29 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: that the Celtics are gonna be asked to give up 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown and Robert Williams, which to me is insane, Like, 31 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: no way I'm doing that. Two starters to like, frontline 32 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: players who are very very good. Robert Williams is a 33 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: major factor if you want to see the Celtics defensive 34 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: stats and why they rose to the top. Like Robert 35 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: Williams was massive. But on if it's just Brown and 36 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: a couple of picks and like Derek White, which doesn't 37 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: seem realist but could be. Um, I kind of flipped. 38 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: So you'll like the interview with our guest. He is 39 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: from NBC Sports Boston, Chris Forsberg. Really smart, intelligent guy. Um, 40 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: you'll like he's funny as well. But I do need 41 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: to quickly before we get to our guest, talk about 42 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: one story in sports that blew me away. Absolutely floored 43 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: me when I heard it, I laughed. I hit up 44 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: one of my Arizona Cardinals people and I was like, 45 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: what is this about? And I'll give you the answer 46 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: in a second. So Kyler Murray's contract, Uh, you know, 47 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: they agreed last week. It was big news. I happened 48 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: to be on the Herd with cow heard when that broke. 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: So we talked about it, you know, a lot, on 50 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: Thursday and Friday. But of course on Monday, some details 51 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: trickle out about Kyler Murray's contract and a specific clause 52 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: in the deal. Now, I don't know if this is 53 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: a first time one of these things, but I don't 54 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: ever recall this being part of a deal. Kyler Murray's 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: new contract has what is essentially called a homework clause. 56 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray one who has said on record, and we 57 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 1: will have this shortly. Kyler Murray has gone on record 58 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: with The New York Times saying I think I was 59 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: just blessed with the cognitive skills to go out there 60 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: and see the play before it happens. He said this 61 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: back in December. I'm not one of those guys that's 62 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: gonna sit there and kill myself watching film. I don't 63 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: sit there for twenty four hours and break down this 64 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 1: team and that team and watch every game because in 65 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: my head I see so much. Oh my gosh, the 66 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: ego and the arrogance is really really, really really off 67 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: putting there. And this is somebody who's defended Kyler Bury 68 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: a lot. At any rate, Kyla Murie went out and 69 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: said that in December, which is a bad, bad look. 70 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: I don't know how we omitted that, or maybe we 71 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: did talk about it. I've just forgotten. But because of 72 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: I guess that and what I'm some other stuff that 73 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: it is probably gonna come out. In Kyler Muri's deal, 74 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: he has to engage in at least four hours of 75 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: independent study during each week of the season, from the 76 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 1: Monday after training camp ends through the last game on 77 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: the schedule, including the playoffs. Why would they include that 78 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: and also why would they leak that to the media? Okay, now, 79 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: usually the first person to leak is the agent they 80 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: get to do the victory lap. Kyler Murray highest paid 81 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: player outside of Aaron Rodgers, Uti point one million average 82 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: yearly contract hundred thirty guaranteed. Awesome, awesome, awesome, Right did 83 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: they get the victory up? So now the team says, well, 84 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: just for the people who are like, why the hell 85 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: did you pay him? Just so you guys know, we're 86 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 1: gonna leak it out there that he has an independent 87 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: study clause. Okay, then I'm gonna be real with you guys. 88 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: The first thing I thought of when I heard Kyler 89 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: Murray has a homework assignment is I guess that means 90 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: he wasn't doing the homework. I just want to point 91 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: out everybody who listening who's a dad knows how devices work. 92 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: My kids have iPads. We know how much time they 93 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,839 Speaker 1: spend on the right pads. We can set time limits 94 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: if they need extra time. We an ad like you know, 95 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: I have to make trades with my kids. Yeah, I'll 96 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: give you an extra fifteen minutes of screen time if 97 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: you do this that kind of deal. Okay, So I 98 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: can tell you unequivocally the Cardinals know exactly how much 99 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: time Kyler Murray spent on his team issued iPad. Okay, 100 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 1: if they're giving you an iPad, sending it home saying hey, 101 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: here's the plays, here's the opponent plays, here's what the 102 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: defense blah blah blah blah blah. And I am almost 103 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: certain that the Arizona Cardinals looked at it and said, Hey, 104 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: here's how much time Kyler Murray spent on his iPad 105 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: all season? And I bet it was my guests. Honestly, 106 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm not given that quote and Kyler Murray's arrogance my 107 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: guests less than an hour all season on his team 108 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: issued iPad. And if he's like Jason, that's crazy. Listen, 109 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:51,799 Speaker 1: they're making him do four hours a week a week 110 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: now again, you tell me I gotta do four four 111 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: hours a week of homework and you're giving me a 112 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty million dollars. Where do I sign up? 113 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: Four hours is nothing they about this guy's all. You 114 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: guys who gamble in the NFL spend way more than 115 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: four hours a week breaking down lines, opponents, injuries, um 116 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: E p A, Football Outsiders d v O. You spend 117 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: way more time than that, trust me. And you're just 118 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: gambling on the games or doing fantasy football. That's nothing. 119 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: Four hours is nothing. Four hours divided by seven days 120 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: is literally what like forty minutes a day? Come on, guys, 121 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: that's that's seriously nothing. So why is it that Kyler Murie, 122 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: a quarterback, is being mandated to do four hours a 123 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:36,040 Speaker 1: week because he really thinks his poop doesn't stink. Now, 124 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: if you look at his history, I mean, we're talking 125 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: about a guy who in high school went forty two 126 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: and oh in the state of Texas, where they play 127 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: the best, fine, best or second best high school football 128 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: in the country. Kyler Murray forty two and oh. He 129 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: won three state championships. He was the first player to 130 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: be named Mr Football in the State of Texas twice. 131 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: He was a legendary high school player. When you're dominating 132 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: at that level because of your quickness in your arm 133 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: and I guess your you know, your ability to go 134 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: to the line and dive, break down whatever the defense 135 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: is doing. Are you gonna put in the time? Are 136 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: you just like yo, I'm the stuff. I can dominate, 137 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: I can wreck anyone. And oh, by the way, I'm 138 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: a decent baseball player. How decent you ask? Well, there 139 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: was this guy named Bo Jackson who was amazing, arguably 140 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: one of the greatest athletes of the twentieth century. That 141 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: is that hyperbole? I don't think so. I mean, the 142 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: guy was a football star won the trophy and I 143 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: wanted a baseball and it's a major damage in baseball. Well, 144 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: Bo Jackson was drafted in the second round of the 145 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: MLB draft. Kyler Murray is the only player in the 146 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: history of sports to be drafted in the first round 147 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL and the Major League Baseball Draft. Nobody 148 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: else has done that. That's a special athlete, folks. Yeah, 149 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:58,119 Speaker 1: I get it. He's quick twitch and it's so fast 150 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: that people can't catch him. I get all that. That's 151 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: a ridiculous athlete. It's almost like he's underrated as an athlete. 152 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: When you think about bow Jackson. Bow was the number 153 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: one overall pick in football. Also, just as Kyler Murray 154 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: was in football. Kyler Murray again in high school, was 155 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 1: quite the legend. Play first, the only player ever to 156 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: play in the under Armour All American Baseball Game and 157 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: football game. Like nobody's done this stuff, Kyler is doing it. 158 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: So of course he doesn't think he needs to put 159 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 1: in the work. He goes to Texas a and he 160 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: doesn't win the starting job. If you guys remember, um 161 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: someone was there. He loses the starting job to Kyle Allen. 162 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 1: Kyle Allen is now in the NFL somewhere third string guy, 163 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: and after like a couple of games, you know they're 164 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: they're working Kyler Murray in a little bit um and instantly, 165 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: you know, he gets the job and does well. And 166 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: then it didn't go great after that, so he transfers. 167 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: But anywhere he goes, the guy's pretty freaking dominant. Now again, 168 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 1: as a college freshman against you noo year old, he 169 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: didn't eviscerate the opposition, but he transferred, sat out, and 170 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: what happened in Oklahoma, Oh yeah, he did kind of 171 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: good and thrive there, and then he gets the number 172 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: one pick and struggled instantly in the NFL obviously, but 173 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: three years later he got this team to the playoffs. 174 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: I was just telling the guy is a special athlete 175 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 1: that's undeniable. But the arrogance and ego on Kyler Murray 176 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: is really potentially gonna be the end of this guy. 177 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 1: And I feel bad for him because you guys know, 178 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: on Monday's podcast, I talked to you about how I thought, like, oh, 179 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: I'm a weekend Warrior dad athlete, like I can just 180 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: I can hang, I can play tennis twice in a year. 181 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: Just show up at the tournament. I think I can 182 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: win it, Like, obviously you can't. By the way, the 183 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: guy lost too, lost in the finals, he lost in 184 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: the tiebreaker. He listened, he's good, He's not that much 185 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: better than me. And I asked him, like, how often 186 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: do you play it? He's like twice a week. I 187 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: played twice in the last eight months. Like I had 188 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: no chance to beat him. I mean, like the arrogance 189 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: that I had is stupid and embarrassing. And for me 190 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: to come home and tell my kids I lost, and 191 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: here I am telling them, you gotta put in the work. 192 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: You want to be good at basketball, at soccer, tennis, school, math, whatever, 193 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: you gotta put in the work. And and you know 194 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: I do put in the work and other stuff obviously 195 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: my job, but I want to be great as a 196 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,839 Speaker 1: dad at everything. Like I want to win the local 197 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: soccer championship with the with the league. That not the league, 198 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: but like the tournament I was in and we lost 199 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: in the semifinals, I want to win the basketball league. 200 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: And now we're we're gonna win that bad boy. We will. 201 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: Our team is loaded, uh and I've talked about them 202 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: a lot, but I want to win a tennis tournament. 203 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: I want to be a good goal I want everything. 204 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm greedy, but I also realize, like Geez, Jason, you 205 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: have to balance your time a little better, you know. 206 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: And also I want our soccer team in Mexico to dominate. 207 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: And we have a huge game coming up on Wednesday 208 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: that could vault us into the top four if we 209 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: get to win. It's early in the season, I know, 210 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: But like, I want everything, And why shouldn't you want everything? Honestly, 211 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: you should want everything. You should want to dominate at everything. 212 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: You should not want to be content with anything. And 213 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, my my big concern here is besides the 214 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins suspension for the first six games, is Kyler 215 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: Murray didn't do the homework and got a hundred and 216 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: thirty million dollars guaranteed. Is that going to be an 217 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: incentive to do the work or now that you have 218 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: the guaranteed money it's coming, are you not really gonna 219 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 1: put in the work. And uh, I don't know how 220 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: I feel about Kyler Murray. I've defended him on this 221 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: podcast a while. I sort of kind of a little bit. 222 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 1: I feel like how I defended the hell out of 223 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,600 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons for many, many years. I knew some people 224 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: in his circle out here in l A. They swore 225 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: up and down to me, man, he puts in the work. 226 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: This guy is good and the good guy blah blah blah, 227 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: and um, I haven't seen it. I mean I was 228 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: scrolling through my phone. I'm putting together this collage. Um, 229 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: and I happened to save the picture where Ben Simmons 230 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: is going for the layup and passes out of it. 231 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: And it's like that picture is gonna go on his 232 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: NBA tombstone if Ben Simmons doesn't turn it around pretty 233 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: soon and get back in. I know, you know, the 234 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: injury to the back and all that, but like that 235 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: was the last play he made. That's all anybody thinks 236 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: you think of Ben Simmons, That's what you think of 237 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: down asking for the trade, showing up months later to 238 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: a practice with a phone in your pocket and a 239 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: screen lit meaning you were just on it, and then 240 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: passing off a layout in game seven, and Ben Simmons 241 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: was the number one pick, the Rookie of the Year, 242 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: awesome talent, All NBA multiple times. He's been All NBA 243 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: more times. In Donovan Mitchell so I don't know that 244 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: he's put in the work and listen. I hope Kyler 245 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: Murie gets the memo, but it's pretty clear he was 246 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: not doing the homework. The team saw the issued iPads 247 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: from the team and said, geez, he's not doing any 248 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: of this. Okay, you now have to do it for 249 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: you know, he's probably embarrassed by this that this got out, 250 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: But again, does he give a rip if he's getting 251 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty million dollars guaranteed? All right, I've 252 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: gone on long enough. I love this Kyler Murray talk topic. 253 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: Can't wait for more Lamar Jackson. But first let's get 254 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: to our guest, Chris Forsberg, NBC Sports Boston. Fox Sports 255 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 256 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot 257 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: com and within the I Heart Radio app. Search f 258 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: s R to listen live. Jason likes to think he 259 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: knows everything when it comes to sports. I know what 260 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: sports stands want, but for everything he doesn't. He knows 261 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: a guy who does. Let's just say I know a 262 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: guy who knows a guy who knows another guy. All right, 263 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: let's welcome into straight fire. A guy in Boston who 264 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: knows the Celtics really well. I think he knows all 265 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: the NBA pretty well. Chris Forsburg, how you doing, man? 266 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: I appreciate the nice words. I feel like I have 267 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: a good grasp on the Celtics. I got nothing beyond 268 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: Leo Lenox. So it's just the shirt, damn it. I 269 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: got that. I just want to get a drink with 270 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: my dog, not an alcoholic beverage. And somebody's like, oh, 271 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: you Pistons fan. I was like, this just a shirt, 272 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: So I gotta realize it's just a shirt. But NBC 273 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: Sports Boston, you had the privilege of having Brad Stevens 274 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: recently uh an interview, and the timing couldn't have been 275 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:08,599 Speaker 1: better with this Kevin Durant news, so we wanted to 276 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: bring you on and kind of pick your brain as 277 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: to what the hell is going on with the Celtics. 278 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: Why would a team that went to the finals and 279 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 1: was up to one and I think leading in the 280 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 1: fourth quarter with like four minutes left of Game four, 281 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: which what avice the series pretty much, why would they 282 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: trade Jyllen Brown and whatever else for Kevin Durant? Are 283 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: you buying this? Chris I'm not buying it, So I 284 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: mean and look, and maybe Brad lied to me, and 285 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: NBA g ms do not have to tell me what 286 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: they're planning what they're doing. But I trust Brad when 287 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: he says that if the Celtics going to the season 288 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: with the roster, and just like you said, this is 289 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: a team that was four minutes away from being up 290 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: three one in the NBA Finals. And one of the 291 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: things I heard consistently out of Summer League is if 292 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: they had had this roster with Malcolm Brogden and Danilo Gallinari, 293 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: then they're probably NBA champions. So I think they feel 294 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: pretty comfortable going in now. Whenever a player of Kevin 295 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: Durant's magnitude comes on the market, you've got to do 296 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: your due diligence. You'd be it would be malpractice to 297 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: be an NBA team that can trade for Kevin Durant 298 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: and not explore it. But I think the Celtics understand 299 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: they got a pretty good thing going and so hey, 300 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: maybe maybe we'll replay this and freezing cold takes and 301 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: like you can expose me. I don't know anything, but um, 302 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: I think the Celtics would be leary one of the 303 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: things Brad has said a lot, including in that interview, 304 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: was that there's uh like, there's this there's this this 305 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: tenuousness about teams and finding the right mix, and I 306 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: think the Celtics last year really kind of tapped into 307 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: who they want to be. And I don't know if 308 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: you necessarily want to change everything and shorten your title 309 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: window as allerting as it might be to go get 310 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. I'll give this about Brad Stevens. Um some 311 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: people outside Boston thought he was a little overrated as 312 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: a coach in the NBA, didn't you know, didn't win 313 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: a championship. But in the front office he's pushed pretty 314 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: much all the right buttons. I don't know if he's 315 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: batting a thousand, but it's close to it. Right. That 316 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: Derek White move was good. Uh you mentioned Gallo. I 317 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: think Brogden obviously good move. And Al Horford is what 318 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: is his guy right here? Yeah, So if he's kicking 319 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 1: the tires on this, doesn't that mean maybe we should Hey, Hey, 320 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: Brad Stevens has done a good job in the front office, 321 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: Maybe we should listen a little more. Or no. The 322 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: X factor here is what does Brad know about Jalen 323 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: Brown that we don't know. So Jalen's got two years 324 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: left on his deal. If Brad it all feels that 325 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: there's a chance that, you know, Jalen isn't long for Boston, 326 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: if Jalen has other desires with his career, then I 327 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: think you have to at least explore opportunities like this, 328 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: especially with the fact that grants under contract for four years. 329 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: But short of that, I don't necessarily know. I think again, 330 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: these opportunities don't come along now. Brad's predecessor, Danny Ange, 331 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: when James Harden came on the market a couple of 332 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: years ago, he huddled his staff and he said, all right, 333 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: let's talk about this. Doesn't make sense for us to 334 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: give up Jalen Brown, whose name again invariably floats in 335 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: these rumors, to go get James Harden. And they did 336 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: their research, and they talked to people in Houston, to 337 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: talk to people everywhere, and they were just like, you know, 338 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: we're just not sure this is the right fit for 339 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: where we want to take this team. And then of 340 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: course they went in a complete in different direction. Anyway, 341 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: Brad's not the coach anymore, and emays here and you know, 342 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: so things went sideways anyway, But the bigger point here 343 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 1: is like you have to have these conversations. And the 344 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: other thing I keep telling people is this NBA world, 345 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: maybe we have this this notion of like fantasy trades 346 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: where there's an offer and I like, look at it 347 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: and I said accept or decline and send it back 348 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: to you. But in real life there's just these there's 349 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: like a flowing conversation and you're like, you know, you're 350 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: always sort of fitballing about what you have and what 351 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: you need, and of course, like both sides want to 352 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: talk to each other. Kevin Drant doesn't come on the 353 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: market every day, you don't have a chance to get 354 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: Jane Len Brown. If you're like so like I feel like, 355 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: there's just this free flowing conversation that goes on. And 356 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: then maybe maybe if if you're Shawn March and you 357 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: need to kick start the Miami Heat or Phoenix Suns 358 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: a little bit, it's not the worst thing if it 359 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: gets out there that uh, that maybe Jalen Brown was 360 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: on the table from the Celtics and oh, you don't 361 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: want to put a bam out of Baio in this trade. Well, 362 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: now we have this chance to go get this this 363 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: young superstar from the Celtics. So I always try to 364 00:17:57,760 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: line up the motivations, and I'm struggling to see Boston's 365 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: motivation for having that news out there versus how it 366 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: can ben a bit the Brooklyn Nets. I would I 367 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: would agree. I think the Nets have more benefit. Hey, 368 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: this is the baseline for what you want. Give me 369 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: an All star. Don't call me, you know, Phoenix, you 370 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: don't have an All start. Don't call me um. But 371 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: I want to go back to what you said, I 372 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown has two years left on his deal. Do 373 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: you think he's gonna be seeking a max deal? Because 374 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: that that totally changes here. I didn't realize that Chris, 375 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: that he has two years left. I'm like, holy Kelly, 376 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: if he wants a max deal, is Jillen Brown a 377 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: Max guy? Now? He was? I think, would you agree 378 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 1: he was the best player on the Celtics in the finals, 379 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: and then you know, look again, if Tatum plays anywhere 380 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: nearest capabilities and stuff, that's probably NBA champions. But uh, 381 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: for the totality of the playoffs, Tatum was was really good. 382 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: But for the finals, absolutely, Jaylen Brown was your best player, 383 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 1: and you know, I do think it gave Jalen a 384 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: chance to show how far he's come. Every year he's 385 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 1: made a little bit of progress with his development, and 386 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: I thought a lot of that was on there. Now 387 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: some of the wards are still there, like ball handling 388 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: has to get better, Like there's still another level for 389 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: him to go up if he wants to be a 390 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: definitive top twenty five, top twenty guy in the NBA. 391 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 1: But I think that's part of the hesitation. Like he's 392 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: twenty six and as good as Grant is will be 393 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: thirty four before the start of the season. You know, 394 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: do you shorten your window? Now, back to the contract 395 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: side of things, So Jalen signed a four year extension 396 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: in two thousand nineteen and sort of took less money 397 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 1: to guarantee it. Now, he didn't start a whole lot 398 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: of games for the year before that. I think there 399 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: was some security in getting a hundred and seven nine 400 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: million dollars whatever the money was at that point, But 401 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: he also could probably cost himself four six million dollars 402 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: based on if he had just wrote it out and 403 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: got into the table and then on this next day, 404 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: you gotta feel like, you know, if you are top 405 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: twenty five NBA player, you are a max player. Now, 406 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 1: I think I had to guess the Celtics will be 407 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: willing to extend that offer. They're already over the cap, 408 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: they're already spending deep into the tax this year. You're 409 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: gonna pay if you think he's your clear cut one, A, 410 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: one B, whatever, you know, number two, however you want 411 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: to phrase it. I just, you know, I just need 412 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: to know what Jalen's motivation is. It's like there's Jalens 413 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 1: want to be a number one this league, like a 414 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: clear clud not having to play alongside of Tatum. And 415 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: but until I hear him come out and say that, 416 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna assume he loves it in Boston and 417 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: all indications from people on the periphery and like I'm 418 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 1: not gonna tell you like I'm deep inside his circle, 419 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: but just like from people that from the outside, there's 420 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: this notion that he does enjoy being here in Boston, 421 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: that he likes the way they've built us up with 422 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 1: Jayson Tatum and the way they kind of ying in 423 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: yang each other. So until I hear Jalen come out 424 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: and be like, you know, in two years. I want 425 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: to be at the focal point of a team. I 426 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: want to be in an even bigger market. I want 427 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: to be in l A. You know, until I hear that, 428 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 1: I just don't think there's smoke to the idea that 429 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: the Celtics need to move right now. Dang, this is 430 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: this is You totally changed my view on this course 431 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: because again, they know Brown better than us. Now. He 432 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: is big into the activism and and and that's great. 433 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: I applaud that. You know, he does a lot of 434 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: a non NBA stuff, which is great. That's fine. But 435 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: if you're the Celtics and you say, damn, this guy's 436 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: gonna want a max deal in two years and we 437 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: could get Kevin Durant who's got four years locked in, 438 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,360 Speaker 1: I almost wonder if you have to consider it now. 439 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: I mean you have to consider it. But again, if 440 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 1: you're if you've had some conversation with Jalen said, look, 441 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: we're building this thing out. You guys are you and 442 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: Jason are the pillars? You know, when that opportunity comes, 443 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: like the Celtics can offer him an extension starting in October, 444 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: but they can only offer him of his current salary, 445 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: Like the final year salary, so it's it's still not 446 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: gonna be max money, so Jalen will not accept it. 447 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: And actually that's gonna just stoke everything around because they're like, oh, 448 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: Jalen turned down this, this, this contract offer, but there's 449 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: no reason for him to move now. He already sacrificed 450 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 1: money on that first deal. He's gonna wait till the 451 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: summer of three and sort of or summer of and 452 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: examining his options and then some of the TV money 453 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: could play into that could be like a one and one, 454 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: like they could get weird. But I do think in general, 455 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: the Celtics are prepared to say, like, look, you know, 456 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: I know you only got two years left on your deal, 457 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: but we envision you here for the next eight years, 458 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: seventh year, or whatever the number is. You and Jason 459 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: are gonna be here and ride this thing out for 460 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: as long as possible. And if you have that security, 461 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: I don't think you're as much of in a rush 462 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: to examine the Durant situay. But certainly the fact that Durant, 463 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: now the flip side of Durant having four years is 464 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: is Kevin Durant and thirty six and two years going 465 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: to be Kevin Durant what we see now, and like 466 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: we know that decline comes quicker than we expect, except 467 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: if you're Lebron who is just some cyboard and all that. 468 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, like it's a risk. I just 469 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: think the cells are really set up really well right now, 470 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: and I worry that you sort of shortened that window, 471 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: Like what if Durant or Tatum gets hurt in the 472 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: next year or two, you know, like, are you sacrificing 473 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: six seven years of being a championship contender? Like there's 474 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: no guarantees in the NBA. I just wonder that's what 475 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: they got a balance. That's interesting because you're right, like 476 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: you could say, in in two years, is Durant at 477 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,239 Speaker 1: thirty six is gonna look good? Well? I could art 478 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: could counter what if they win the championship next year? 479 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: Who you know, who cares? But um, I do want 480 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: to add one other thing. So we've mentioned the Jalen 481 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: Brown component, but interestingly there was nothing else as to 482 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: what Boston is offering or what Brooklyn's asking for, Like, 483 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean, are they asking for Robert Williams they want? 484 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: That's a deal breaker to me, I would I would 485 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: say no way, Yeah, So, I mean, my whole stick 486 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: out here in Boston is like I'm president of the 487 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: Time Lord fan Club. I've been on that band wagon 488 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: since day one. You can see the potential even when 489 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: he first got here. Uh And so for me, it's like, 490 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: if you're already putting Jalen Brown, which is a better 491 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 1: player than any other team is right now offering at 492 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: least what we know, then you shouldn't have to overload 493 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: on draft picks or complimentary players. There is a little 494 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: bit like the report, like I think the Athletics said 495 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 1: today it was Jalen Derek White and a pick. You know, look, 496 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: Brad's whitting picks left and right. You know he's with that. 497 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: I mean, that's not a lot when you think about that. Uh, 498 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: Rudy Gobert just got like, what about it too? Five? 499 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: You don't you don't really blanch it when I hear 500 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: like one draft pick, and I agree, But I think 501 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: that's just sort of again that's to me, that's that 502 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: was a conversation about how do we get to the money. 503 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: So you add Jalen's thirty and Derek White seventeen, and okay, 504 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: you're at least in the ballpark and then like justelic 505 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: to saying, okay, we throw a pick in there are 506 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 1: some picks in there. Again, pick the late thirty. So 507 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: even if it starts you staggered every year out. I mean, 508 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: the Nets wouldn't collect until nine. You can throw some 509 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: swaps in there. They already got one swap, go into 510 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,639 Speaker 1: San Antonio and so it's get Yeah, it gets a 511 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: little convoluted. I think if I'm the Nets, I need 512 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: to pick. Am I getting the star quality player? Like? 513 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: Are you able to ride it with Jalen Brown and 514 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons and whoever else you want to fill out 515 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: that roster with? Or are you looking for picks and 516 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: you're gonna build this thing organically and kind of hit 517 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: the reboot button then and maybe even then you're building 518 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: around Ben Simmons when and maybe at a healthier point. 519 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: But I think you gotta pick one side of the 520 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: spectrum if you're gonna do it. I don't know based 521 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: on what their offers they're getting right now and the 522 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: inactivity that they're gonna get both. Fox Sports Radio has 523 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all 524 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: of our shows at Fox sports radio dot com and 525 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: within the I Heart Radio app search f s R 526 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: to listen live. Now you've dealt with NBA trades and 527 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: speculation for a long time, Chris, is there any part 528 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 1: of you that thinks, man, what if the Nets are 529 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: asking for the world, knowing that nobody's gonna be giving 530 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: it up, and then they go to Kevin Durant and say, sorry, 531 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: we don't have a deal. We'll see you and we'll 532 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: see you in camp. And then what is Durant gonna do? 533 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: Because I feel like the owner of the nets the 534 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 1: billionaire checkmated Kyrie Irving where Kyrie's like, oh, yeah, maybe 535 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: I'll just go play for the qualifying offer and everybody 536 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: was like yeah right, It's like okay, do it, go 537 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: for it, and he's like, okay, no, I'll opt in. 538 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: And now I just wonder if this guy's doing it 539 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: to k D because you and I both know like 540 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is very, very Internet savvy. He's on social 541 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: media all the time. There's zero chance he's just not playing. 542 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: There's no no, no shot that's happening, right, And I look, 543 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: I've said all along, like every day I see these 544 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: odds come out with Kevin Durant's next team and I'm 545 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: thinking the Brooklyn Nets should be number one because I 546 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: don't see necessarily the clear cut pathway. And I've always 547 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: thought the first domino to fall is probably Kyrie. And 548 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 1: so do the Lakers get to a desperate enough point 549 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: where they give up whatever the Nets wall and then 550 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: this there's like Kevin Durant stepped back and go, Okay, 551 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: did whatever they get? Is that enough to now move 552 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: forward and be a Net and just deal with some 553 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 1: of the headaches, like Okay, as much as he must 554 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: love Kyrie Irving, like, look, I lived that Kyrie experience 555 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 1: for a couple of years and it's a it's a 556 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: roller coaster, and it's even more while now with with 557 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: with with what what with what Brokelyn went through. So 558 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: I just wonder if it all comes down to see 559 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: whether it's Katie and Kyrie or Katie and whoever and 560 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: Ben Simmons. But I think, you know, until one of 561 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: these teams gets desperate and they just don't have a 562 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 1: lot of leverage right now, which is why I think unfortunately, 563 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: that's why you called me and said, hey, like, why 564 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: are we talking about this in late July when it's 565 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: just weird that a two thirty AM News. Dum uh 566 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: as Uh, I'm sure Sean Marks wants to go on vacation, 567 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: and uh, maybe he's just maybe he's just hoping that 568 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: the folks and Phoenix and Miami and everybody where everywhere else. 569 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: Even though now now with eighton re signing and and like, 570 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: I just wonder like that the number of teams I 571 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 1: can see making this deal is thinning. Um. You know 572 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: you mentioned Kyrie Irving, Chris, and that just sent me 573 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: down a spiral because I've been slamming the guy on here. 574 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: So I gotta ask, what was it like to cover 575 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,399 Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving? This was pre COVID. Was he burning sage 576 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: in the locker room? Was he uh, you know, I'm 577 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: being told, Jason, you can't say off the reservation, that's wrong. Fine? 578 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 1: Was Kyrie Irving a quasi crazy person in Boston during 579 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 1: your time covering the team? I would think he was unique? 580 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 1: And uh, fortunately unfortunately for Kyrie, I think when things 581 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: went bad in two thousand nineteen, a lot fell on 582 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: him and he did sort of try to say this 583 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: like don't worry, Uh, they'll still be success because I'm 584 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: here and we're all like, I don't know if that's 585 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Uh, and he got you know, obviously, the 586 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: media stuff got contentious, and once the Celtics and everyone 587 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: knew that he was that he was not there, and 588 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: you know, and I think they always held out hope 589 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: is it is? And I hate saying the word crazy 590 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: because like you know, mental health and all that, but 591 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's as as difficult as he 592 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: could be at times just to deal what the talent 593 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: was obvious, and there was a sixteen game winning streak 594 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 1: when he first got here and they were really fun 595 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: to watch in two thousand and eighteen before he got hurt. 596 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 1: But once it was clear he was gone, it was 597 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: like it was just this dark cloud that hovered over 598 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, like I don't know how how 599 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: you run stuff and build around a guy when you 600 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: don't even know what makes him happy, and you know, 601 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: that's that's just like that just kind of permeates over 602 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: everybody else. And and then Kemba came in, and Kemba 603 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: was just like, I want to build up Jason and 604 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: Jalen and take them to another level. And it was 605 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: a breath of fresh year. And so I think both 606 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: sides need a new scenery. But it's just weird. As 607 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 1: much as we warn Brooklyn people like this was probably 608 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: going to happen. Uh, Now everyone scoffs and says, no, no, no, 609 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: we can you know, you can always figure it out, 610 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: and well, here we are. Did did Tatum and Brown 611 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: hate Kyrie? Or was there just like an underlying tension? What? What? 612 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: What word or phrase sums up their relationship? Because I 613 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 1: know those guys were young pups when Kyrie was there, 614 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: but you could tell that they were ascending and it 615 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: seemed like a lot of heads were budding. It's funny 616 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: you said that, like tension is probably the right word. 617 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: It was just you know, Kyrie had this propensity to say, 618 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, the young guys don't get it and put 619 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: it on them when they didn't win or they had missteps. 620 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: I remember one game in Orlando, Tatum took the game 621 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: winner instead of Kyrie getting the ball, and you know, 622 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,239 Speaker 1: Kyrie comes out afterward was kind of like upset about it. 623 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: And I mean Tatum was pretty good that year, but 624 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: just the Kyrie that that ball had to find its 625 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: way to him, and it felt like, you know, they 626 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: just sort of festered from there. Now The ironic part 627 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: was Katum and Kyrie with their duke connection, were super tight. 628 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: They had the same agent, like they were, they were 629 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: they were, they were very close. They were vacationing together 630 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: at one point. The problem with yeah, but before the season, 631 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: I think their agency took him down to like the 632 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: Bahamas or something and they all hung out and Kyrie 633 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: paid for a bunch of stuff, like Kyrie off the court, 634 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: very good dude, like does a lot and and like 635 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: that people don't see um and the Celtics respected that 636 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: part of it. With Jalen, it was like I think 637 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: Jalen took offense it because Jalen didn't have a role 638 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: with that two thousand ninet team and was like, you know, 639 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: I can't just stand in the corner and shoot threes, 640 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: like what am I doing? But that was also because 641 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: they had Terry Rosier and Marcus Morris and like they 642 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: did just did they needed to define roles, which this 643 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: team does a lot better. And now the biggest irony 644 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: now is that I think just last week on Instagram 645 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,400 Speaker 1: there's like Kyrie Jalen Brown hanging out in California with 646 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: with Kanye West to Jalen just signed with as like 647 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: is part of his representation, and so uh they were 648 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: able to be better friends than teammates. So wait a minute, 649 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,479 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, Chris, did you just 650 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: say Jalen Brown was hanging out with Kyrie Irving and 651 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: Kanye West? Yes? Hold on, Kanye West is unquestionably like 652 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: the most unstable musician out there, and there's a lot 653 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: of unstabled musicians, but he has like obvious issues. Kyrie 654 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: Irving's history of issues in Brooklyn is well documented, and 655 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown is hanging out with them. Yeah, you know, 656 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: like look doing with Kanye's Donda like way whatever it is, 657 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: uh for representation. I don't know if it's his full 658 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: agency or just like part of his uh of the 659 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,239 Speaker 1: his off the court stuff, but uh yeah, you know, 660 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: But again, Jalen loves those deep thinkers and I think 661 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: like that. I think he likes going inside inside that world. 662 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: And again he's been he's he's expressed more appreciation for 663 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: Kyrie and the aftermath and what they went through, and 664 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: so uh yeah, I think they just uh love. I 665 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: would love to hear some of those conversations. I like 666 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: hanging out with deep thinkers. Do I want to play 667 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: basketball with them and try to win championships. I don't 668 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: know about that. Um, I'm stunned. This is Chris. I 669 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: think we have a first in the podcast three years. 670 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: I came in like, no, I'm not dealing Jalen Brown 671 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: for Kevin during and you basically opened up a new 672 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: side of Jalen Brown. I will say this. And I 673 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: thought I thought I knew it. I knew him a 674 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: little bit because he worked out at my gym leading 675 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: up to the draft with a trainer who I know, 676 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 1: and the guys super you know, he's a uh college 677 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: basketball coach right now and we're still we're still talking. 678 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: He I guess he's close with Jalen. I gotta ask, like, dude, 679 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: what's going on really, Jalen Brown hanging out with Kanye West? Like? 680 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: Why would you want to be in that world? Chris? 681 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: And I'm not crushing Kanye West. He's obviously successful, he's 682 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: a billionaire, but look at the guy's history. He's all 683 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: over the place. It's true. I mean, I'm not got 684 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: a deep down there, but I'll say is that Kanye 685 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: has got some great marketing ability and design and dashing. 686 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 1: I think Jalen is big in those worlds his Juice brand, 687 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 1: and I think Jalen understands he's he's a smart enough 688 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: kid to make the right choices and uh, you know, 689 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: I think he's uh, he's got aspirations well beyond basketball. 690 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: And like I said, when I see all when I 691 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: see people walking around Boston with the Juice hoodies and 692 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: everything like that, he's uh, he's savvy both on the 693 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: court and off. Yeah, culturally he's super relevant. He's done 694 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: a great job. Yes, he is smart. I'm not bashing jalenunt. 695 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: I know some people will aggregate this and come after me, 696 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: like where do you rate him? He's smart? He is smart, 697 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: not denying that. I just the cup. What is what 698 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: is that? Like you laid down with dogs and you 699 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: get fleas? Is that what they saying? No, that's harsh. Chris. Anyways, 700 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: Chris Forstburg, NBC Sports Boston, Hey man, keep up the 701 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: great work. Um, it sounds like you're gonna be pretty busy. 702 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: I hope you don't have a vacation. So I I 703 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: do have a vacation next week. So if if whatever 704 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: happens with this thing could just expedited, uh, like make 705 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 1: all the rumors get out there the leak durant to 706 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: every team in the league, and just let's get this 707 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: over with. Yeah, I love it all right, Chris, thanks 708 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: a lot, man, Jason, thank you, thank you. Take care.