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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Hold up, something's weird,
Speaker 1: something's weird here. It's Monday evening, and we are we're
Speaker 1: arriving with listener mail rather than our typical strange news segment.
Speaker 2: Matt, God, that is so weird.
Speaker 1: Well, we talk pretty often about the deceptive nature of
Speaker 1: time as a flat circle. We did some, We did
Speaker 1: some juggling around. Never fear, fellow conspiracy realist, Strange news
Speaker 1: will be coming to us all later this week. So
Speaker 1: as you are hearing this, some very strange news is
Speaker 1: on your way Thursday. For now, we are over the moon.
Speaker 1: Can we say over the moon since that Russian pro crashed?
Speaker 1: Or is that too soon? Yes, anyway, here is our
Speaker 1: listener mail Matt. Quick shout out to our returning super producer.
Speaker 1: Several of our fellow conspiracy realists have written in and asked, Hey,
Speaker 1: what happened? Where's Code named Doc? Code Name Doc is
Speaker 1: always doing amazing things. Currently she is a space scoundrel
Speaker 1: and has made some time to hang out with us,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that Starfield, a game we're all very
Speaker 1: excited about, has just officially entered the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, she paused the game just to be
Speaker 2: here with us. So thank you, I.
Speaker 1: Know, thank you, thank you for classing up the show
Speaker 1: as always.
Speaker 2: Doc.
Speaker 1: It's good to have you back tonight, Matt. We're going
Speaker 1: to explore a lot of strange stuff. We got so
Speaker 1: many interesting pieces of correspondence. We're going to explore some
Speaker 1: urban legends. We recently did an episode on how to
Speaker 1: build your own and we're going to hear from a
Speaker 1: former adherent of the Mouse. We're going to talk about
Speaker 1: some deaths at the Brooklyn Mirage. And before we do
Speaker 1: any of that, we talked off Aaron. We thought it
Speaker 1: would be interesting to begin with a follow up email
Speaker 1: from our old pal Nemesis, and you read this one
Speaker 1: as well, Matt did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a great message from somebody who has
Speaker 2: hands on experience attempting to stop people from tracking all
Speaker 2: of the stuff they do online. And I don't know,
Speaker 2: I think we should just read it because we can
Speaker 2: break some of this down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. So here we are from Nemesis, dear esteem, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: Professors of intrigue, seekers of sedition, mission and doc as
Speaker 1: a follow up to my July email on Google side
Speaker 1: on and thank you for including that in a listener
Speaker 1: mail segment. Recently, my area was fortunate to be connected
Speaker 1: to gigabit fiber, and I took the opportunity to install
Speaker 1: a nine hundred, nine hundred megabit service up from sixty
Speaker 1: to sixteen IMBET. While this service has been spectacularly fast,
Speaker 1: it highlighted the restriction of the VPN I was using,
Speaker 1: which lost two hundred to three hundred magnets when active.
Speaker 2: Can can we go ahead and just say that's the
Speaker 2: nine hundred slash nine hundred or sixty slash sixteen is
Speaker 2: download speed versus upload speed.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, good note, And Nemesis continues and says I switched
Speaker 1: to a higher end VPN package from another company, which
Speaker 1: reduced this loss to around fifty megabits, but it also
Speaker 1: came with further added benefits. The first of these is
Speaker 1: a threat protection service which targets ads, web trackers, infected files,
Speaker 1: malicious websites, tracking URLs and deep file scans. Once activated
Speaker 1: in conjunction with VPN, the majority of websites worked without interruption. However,
Speaker 1: as expected, the main players Google, Amazon, et cetera really
Speaker 1: didn't like it, requesting additional verification or reporting my actions
Speaker 1: as suspicious activity. Let's pause there, Matt, and maybe unpack
Speaker 1: that a little bit for people who are who might
Speaker 1: feel this is a lot to take in. Also, happy birthday, Google,
Speaker 1: you creepy jerk. You're twenty five, which means Leo DiCaprio
Speaker 1: is not going to date you.
Speaker 2: But what if they're not evil enough? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: They changed from don't be evil? So this idea of
Speaker 1: targeting ads, web trackers, malicious websites, all the scoundrels of
Speaker 1: the online experience, Matt, do you think it's safe to
Speaker 1: say that most people are encountering this stuff and maybe
Speaker 1: aren't aware of it?
Speaker 2: Oh? For sure. Even if you don't have anything installed
Speaker 2: and you've used something like the native browser for Apple.
Speaker 2: You're using Safari, it will tell you how many trackers
Speaker 2: it has prevented over the past, like whatever span of time.
Speaker 2: It'll let you know that because it's already got some
Speaker 2: built in stuff that's attempting to stop that. If you're
Speaker 2: using Chrome, you can get a lot of add ons,
Speaker 2: you know that or what do they call like tensions,
Speaker 2: I don't know they call them anymore, But you can
Speaker 2: get things that will do the same and you can
Speaker 2: get a report of, hey, look how many times we
Speaker 2: stopped a website from literally trudging up your entire Internet
Speaker 2: history or whatever they were doing while they're hanging out
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 1: And to continue with nemeses letter here they say. Another
Speaker 1: example was a credit check service which I had used before,
Speaker 1: but which then responded with an Oops, your log on
Speaker 1: didn't work, Please try again later. When I contacted them,
Speaker 1: their response was that to access their site, I would
Speaker 1: have to turn off my VPN, AD blocking, et cetera,
Speaker 1: and allow automatic script execution. Needless to say, I will
Speaker 1: no longer be using their service. By the way, my
Speaker 1: record for items blocked on a single visit to a
Speaker 1: website is one hundred and forty eight whoa one website?
Speaker 1: One website?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't say he does its?
Speaker 1: Hey, Neimesis says, I didn't log in browse et cetera,
Speaker 1: just called up the home web page.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess weather dot com.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go USA dot gov. O'kodd it.
Speaker 2: They don't.
Speaker 1: They don't have the sophistication for that.
Speaker 2: It's probably like Facebook.
Speaker 1: It's probably like Facebook. I hope it's something so seemingly innocuous,
Speaker 1: you know what. I hope you looked up a recipe.
Speaker 2: I hope you.
Speaker 1: Were like, how do I make donner kebab at home? God?
Speaker 1: At almost one hundred and fifty entities went this guy.
Speaker 1: So anyway to sew this up, there's a second part
Speaker 1: of this email that I think fascinated both of us
Speaker 1: and Matt. Do you want to do the honors on
Speaker 1: this one because it's I feel like the correspondence feels
Speaker 1: better when we're kind of double dragoning.
Speaker 2: Sure, here we go, Nemesis says. The second and more
Speaker 2: interesting feature is a quote incognito service, which I was
Speaker 2: unaware was a thing. Now, hold on, when you say incognito,
Speaker 2: I'm just thinking a new incognito window on Chrome or
Speaker 2: one of these other browsers. But that's not what we're
Speaker 2: talking about. So let's jump back into Nemesis here. I
Speaker 2: am aware, unlike most people, that the majority of the
Speaker 2: Internet exists because the sites I visit monetize my metadata,
Speaker 2: so the global social media and browser companies can exist. Basically,
Speaker 2: what I hadn't realized is the massive ecosystem that exists
Speaker 2: to support this metadata industry. I signed up to the service,
Speaker 2: the Incognito service here that he's talking about, which in
Speaker 2: my case is provided by Incogniti ncog ni, and it
Speaker 2: reported that fifty three companies were gathering, holding, trading, and
Speaker 2: selling my data. See I'm going to call it data
Speaker 2: and data in the same little section here, just on
Speaker 2: purpose to make you upset. I'm just joking. I just
Speaker 2: interchange them, that's all I always think of data in
Speaker 2: my head. And you know which one company had initiated
Speaker 2: removal requests with these companies. Note that's really cool. It
Speaker 2: already like once you sign up, they already started saying, hey, hey,
Speaker 2: get my stuff off your thing. So cool, Nemesis says.
Speaker 2: Note I'm from the UK. Oh interesting, So the GDPR
Speaker 2: regulations may be helping here. Those are the regulations we've
Speaker 2: talked about in the past that are actually for protecting
Speaker 2: individual privacy on the internet. That's pretty cool. But I
Speaker 2: will say if we want to stop here for a second, Ben,
Speaker 2: I found that website in Cogni dot com and it
Speaker 2: does appear that if you live in the US or
Speaker 2: other countries you can sign up. They are offering a
Speaker 2: monthly plan for thirteen dollars plus tax us every month.
Speaker 2: That seems like a lot. But what are you getting?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh it says US, UK, EU, Swiss
Speaker 2: and Canadian residents only.
Speaker 1: Ah. I see. Also, by the way, everybody, GDPR is
Speaker 1: the store brand, acronym or street name for a set
Speaker 1: of laws known as General Data Protection Regulation m H.
Speaker 2: And it's for individuals. It's not for the companies. It's
Speaker 2: for you. Theoryically, if you're.
Speaker 1: In the EU.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yea yea yah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Well
Speaker 2: or the UK huh, because they're not the same thing anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh, how how quickly things move on.
Speaker 2: But then Nemesis sent us a screen shot I believe, Ben,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pull that up right now, and this is
Speaker 2: direct from Incogniti, which we are not sponsored by PS true,
Speaker 2: no sponsorship, just shouting them out here, and it does
Speaker 2: look like there. Yeah, the service is already attempting to
Speaker 2: get data taken down from these other brokers, I suppose.
Speaker 1: And the next part is perhaps one of the most disturbing.
Speaker 1: Our pal Nemesis says. The results are shown in this
Speaker 1: attached screenshot. And what do we learn from that screenshot?
Speaker 2: Uh, Nemesis says, so far, thirty one companies have removed
Speaker 2: my data. However, only twelve of those stated that they
Speaker 2: will no longer quote, collect, trade, or store my information.
Speaker 2: This means that this is an iterative process where the
Speaker 2: Incognito company will make ongoing requests to move my data. Ooh,
Speaker 2: that's kind of sick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's sick on both levels of the meaning
Speaker 1: of that word. It's sick that this company will continue
Speaker 1: to pursue what is an iterative process. It's also sick
Speaker 1: in a bad way that it has to be a
Speaker 1: continual struggle.
Speaker 2: You see. Do you see how like intricate My use
Speaker 2: of the word sick was, Ben, Wow, I'm so smart.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, man, it's nuts because the it reminds me
Speaker 1: of a story that I don't think we got to
Speaker 1: in our strange news segment because we move stuff around
Speaker 1: on the fly. But look into Mozilla's study of all
Speaker 1: your favorite car companies nowadays, because they are doing the
Speaker 1: same thing. Nissan is particularly egregious according to this study.
Speaker 1: That's just the edge of the rabbit hole to dive in.
Speaker 1: And Nemesis says, what are your thoughts about this? I'm
Speaker 1: happy for this mail to be broadcast if it deemed
Speaker 1: interesting enough. I don't know, man, it might be a
Speaker 1: losing battle at this point. Off air, you and I
Speaker 1: have talked a bit about network hygiene, whether or not
Speaker 1: the horse has already left the barn, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gave up. If somebody's watching what I'm doing,
Speaker 2: hanging out with me while I'm on this webcam right here,
Speaker 2: or recording my audio while I'm working, I kind of
Speaker 2: gave up. So just do your thing, do whatever you
Speaker 2: gotta do. I'll be here with you. I'll spend time
Speaker 2: with you while you're hunched over your computer.
Speaker 1: There we go, Yeah, there we go. And also there's
Speaker 1: something here that I think we should highlight, and it's this.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily for you if you're listening now, though
Speaker 1: it does apply to you in the current human generation.
Speaker 1: This applies more to the generations that come after you, your children,
Speaker 1: any younger folks that you have mentorship over, or that
Speaker 1: you are some sort of authority figure. For this kind
Speaker 1: of recognition of the dangers of this data gathering, it
Speaker 1: needs to be something that other generations understand. A lot
Speaker 1: of people listening this evening are on the cusp right.
Speaker 1: You existed before a great change swept the world. It
Speaker 1: is a change that erodes privacy. It is a change
Speaker 1: that arguably improves a lot of aspects of human life. However,
Speaker 1: the information gathered can and will be used toward you.
Speaker 1: Notice we're not saying it's going to be used quote
Speaker 1: unquote against you, unless you're you know, unless you're doing
Speaker 1: supervillain stuff. But it will be used ultimately to predict
Speaker 1: your actions, and then from prediction it will be used
Speaker 1: to steer your actions. That is the end game. It's
Speaker 1: way deeper than just selling you case ideas right. It's
Speaker 1: deeper than saying, oh, this person just bought a new
Speaker 1: toilet seat, let's try to sell them twelve new toilet seats.
Speaker 1: The technology is far beyond that. We're talking about state
Speaker 1: level actors, and we were talking at that point about
Speaker 1: a very large and somewhat dangerous playing field. So for that,
Speaker 1: I think we thank Nemesis for following up and showing
Speaker 1: us just how difficult it can be to attempt to
Speaker 1: preserve this information. Like you, Matt, I also made the
Speaker 1: decision to do you know, a couple like horterizations or
Speaker 1: air walling, firewalling of information, et cetera, just out of necessity.
Speaker 1: But again Pandora has loosed the lid right every everything
Speaker 1: is out there now. Privacy will increasingly become a reserve
Speaker 1: currency of the very, very wealthy in the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think they're gonna want it. I
Speaker 2: think I think it's going to be necessary to hand
Speaker 2: over all that you are in order to be a
Speaker 2: part of some of the things coming. So I think
Speaker 2: I think, I don't know. Look, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say it right now on this podcast. I think the
Speaker 2: ultra wealthy are going to get a service that costs
Speaker 2: a lot of money, and it's basically like, we will
Speaker 2: know everything about you in twenty four hours. That way,
Speaker 2: you can sign up for whatever service requires all of
Speaker 2: your you know, data, A concierge service. Yeah, Yeah, like
Speaker 2: give us one hundred grand, we'll get we will make
Speaker 2: sure you're up and run on every single platform right now.
Speaker 1: Well, not to sound like a cheapscape, but for one
Speaker 1: hundred grand, they should also be automating those posts, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? They should create the separate digital
Speaker 1: version of you.
Speaker 2: I think it will be a whole thing. Yeah, it'll
Speaker 2: be like that. William Shatner spend one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: thousand dollars and get your DNA on the moon.
Speaker 1: Hey, you gotta believe in something, right. So one of
Speaker 1: the questions we would like to end on, and we're
Speaker 1: not sure where the answer goes. Tell us tell us
Speaker 1: your thoughts please won eight three three STDWYTK conspiracydiheartradio dot com.
Speaker 1: Should people have to present government issued identification to use
Speaker 1: the Internet? Just gonna drop that one on there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, we're to leave it there. Just gonna
Speaker 2: leave it at that one.
Speaker 3: How many stuff they don't want you to know? You
Speaker 3: can call me Pink Fairy Angels. So I would really
Speaker 3: love if you discussed and got the word out that
Speaker 3: there's been some mysterious and murderous activity going on in
Speaker 3: my longtime neighborhood, New York club called Avant Gardner also
Speaker 3: known as the Brooklyn Mirage. On June eleventh, twenty seven
Speaker 3: year old psychologist Carl Clemente was denied entry to the
Speaker 3: club allegedly due to intoxication and later was seen running
Speaker 3: in a lumberyard before being found dead five days later
Speaker 3: in the Newtown Creek right next to the club in
Speaker 3: the lumberyard. On July third, I'm aware of some Twitter
Speaker 3: screenshots which explained a friend of someone being attacked by
Speaker 3: a random man when walking in that area, which is
Speaker 3: near Johnson and Metropolitan Avenue in the East Williamsburg, Brooklyn
Speaker 3: industrial business own in New York City. On July twenty third,
Speaker 3: two men were arrested for allegedly kidnapping a Norwalk, Connecticut
Speaker 3: doctor from outside the club and holding him for suf days.
Speaker 3: And on July twenty ninth, twenty seven year old Golden
Speaker 3: Sax analyst John Castick disappeared after leaving the club and
Speaker 3: his body was found at the creek three days later.
Speaker 3: I just hope dal can shed some light on this
Speaker 3: because in the first case, demand seen on video running
Speaker 3: before he turns up in the creek dead five days later,
Speaker 3: makes it seem like the crops could be wrong to
Speaker 3: call the case unsuspicious and not look into it as
Speaker 3: a potential murder. Also, I wanted to point out that
Speaker 3: these men are all professionals. I have had numerous male
Speaker 3: friends drugged and lugged or had identities phones and while
Speaker 3: it's still in after one drink in NYC over the
Speaker 3: years and last year there were many articles about several
Speaker 3: professional men leaving gay clubs getting rubbed and murdered in LAC.
Speaker 3: I wonder if this is all connected. Hope you can
Speaker 3: shed some light on this. It hasn't gotten enough attention.
Speaker 3: And I feel especially bad that I saw posters for
Speaker 3: cal Clemente having gone missing and he turned up dead,
Speaker 3: you know, after being seen running from something, you know,
Speaker 3: back in June, and there really wasn't a public outcry
Speaker 3: until a white man was found dead, you know, from
Speaker 3: Golden Sass a month and a half later, and the
Speaker 3: local representative got involved. But I really feel like it
Speaker 3: was obvious that there was something to look into from
Speaker 3: that moment or earlier with the mirage. Look into City Fox.
Speaker 3: They have a huge history of corruption in YC for decades.
Speaker 3: By the way, Eric Adams, our mayor, has been written
Speaker 3: about recently that ties to that business, which is strange
Speaker 3: and interesting. Love y'all, you're amazing. I listen to every show.
Speaker 3: Thank you bye.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, there's a lot in there. First of all,
Speaker 2: thank you very much Pink Fairy Angel for writing to
Speaker 2: us with that. I'm imagining you in a club as
Speaker 2: a Pink Fairy Angel. I think, just because of the
Speaker 2: context of the message, I would just say, right at
Speaker 2: the top, here been I I've read a Curbed article
Speaker 2: on this a little while ago, randomly, just on my phone.
Speaker 2: That's a I think that's It's not The New Yorker.
Speaker 2: It's like called New York Curbed, New York Magazine. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's what it is. That's what it is. And it
Speaker 2: was titled, is there a serial killer stalking the Brooklyn Mirage?
Speaker 2: Or maybe this EDM club is just too big and messy?
Speaker 2: Which is kind of the dichotomy at least that I've
Speaker 2: found in the story between you know, the thoughts here, right,
Speaker 2: is is there a serial killer someone killing people? Or
Speaker 2: is it a huge club that is very difficult to
Speaker 2: manage and the infrastructure isn't there for that part of town.
Speaker 2: So that's what I know. Of this story.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of specifics that Pink Fairy
Speaker 2: Angel mentions in here that I guess we should jump into.
Speaker 2: And I have to say, I don't think we're going
Speaker 2: to have all the answers right now. Maybe we need
Speaker 2: to look into this further, but let's talk about what
Speaker 2: we know.
Speaker 1: Agreed, and thank you Pink Fairy Angel. This is exactly
Speaker 1: the This is exactly why we want to explore listener
Speaker 1: mail every single week, at least one evening per week.
Speaker 1: This is news to us. I also read that curbed
Speaker 1: article in the Flags for different reasons. Whenever there's the
Speaker 1: mention of possible serial murderers, your friendly neighborhood algorithm will
Speaker 1: exacerbate its visibility right to you. And we learned a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff very quickly. Brooklyn Mirage is the outdoor
Speaker 1: part of a really really big space called Avante Gardner, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: three different venues in that space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's huge, and it's located in an industrial part
Speaker 2: there of Williamsburg. That actually there is a superfund site
Speaker 2: that runs through it. That's a title for a movie,
Speaker 2: A superfund runs through it.
Speaker 1: Super Fun five Stars Get Wait for the sequel. It's
Speaker 1: also I mean, Matt, There's something really important that Pink
Speaker 1: Fairy Angel is pointing out here is the idea that
Speaker 1: we have discussed at length that people who do not
Speaker 1: fit into a heteronormative demographic, their murders are less likely
Speaker 1: to be solved.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people who don't fit into people who fit
Speaker 1: into any kind of imaginable marginalized demographic.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: What was that line, it took a white man from
Speaker 1: Goldman Sacks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before it hit everywhere, which is kind of true.
Speaker 2: I'm looking here at just something like New York Post.
Speaker 2: There was an article on August first titled body of
Speaker 2: Goldman Sacks. Again, it's right there in the title body
Speaker 2: of Goldman Sacks. Analysts John Castick, I think, are case Castick,
Speaker 2: who vanished after concert pulled from New York City waters
Speaker 2: weeks after another man was found in the same creek.
Speaker 2: What you can't find is the original article about that
Speaker 2: first man, which was mentioned by Pink Furry Angel. There
Speaker 2: first man, Carl Clemente. Both of these men, I think
Speaker 2: she says twenty nine. John Castick is twenty nine, but
Speaker 2: he was twenty seven. Carl Clemente was also twenty seven,
Speaker 2: So two twenty seven year old men leaving club, both dead.
Speaker 2: No reporting on Carl Clemente until after John Castick dies.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons for that, outside of, you know,
Speaker 2: the racism and other things, might be because Carl Clemente's
Speaker 2: death looked like it was an accident and there was
Speaker 2: no foul play, at least that's according to authorities. According
Speaker 2: to the New York Post, They've got an article here
Speaker 2: titled dad of dead doctor found in New York creek
Speaker 2: looks he answers after Goldman sax analysts suffers eerily similar death.
Speaker 2: So it's almost like it happens the first time. It
Speaker 2: looks like a tragedy and an accident. Almost then it
Speaker 2: happens again. You start looking more closely at the first
Speaker 2: occurrence of something like this, and then you start to
Speaker 2: see the cracks in the official story, because the official
Speaker 2: story is an explanation of a crime scene. Right, Oh, well,
Speaker 2: this is maybe what happened. This person was found floating
Speaker 2: in the water, which is a terrible tragedy. But again,
Speaker 2: if that occurs on a one time basis and there's
Speaker 2: no you know, discernible signs of a struggle, no discernible
Speaker 2: signs of a murder weapon or you know, a cause
Speaker 2: of death besides drowning that probably moves on and it's
Speaker 2: just cause of death is drowning, probably accidental. But that's
Speaker 2: that's what you would get when there's two eh, something
Speaker 2: fishing might be going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that's that's something that stands out here.
Speaker 1: There's been some been some scuttle button some issues with
Speaker 1: the Brooklyn Mirage specifically for a time. There's a there's
Speaker 1: an article by the Bushwick Daily written by Capote Duncan
Speaker 1: from August eighth of this year that talks about a
Speaker 1: seven point five million dollar lawsuit levied against the Mirage
Speaker 1: with allegations of to be frank with allegations of sexual
Speaker 1: assault on the part of the security detailed there.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And of course this is a club. This is a
Speaker 1: place where people go and party and dance and drink
Speaker 1: and make merry. Right, So, of course, whenever there is
Speaker 1: an intoxicant involved or multiple intoxicating substances, you have to
Speaker 1: be very careful and know that people will behave in
Speaker 1: ways they might not ordinarily behave. And Pink Fairy Angel,
Speaker 1: We're sure you saw this as well. But there's been
Speaker 1: great debate about the location of the neighborhood. There are
Speaker 1: people who are regulars who say, you know, I'm walking
Speaker 1: out of this amazing venue and experience and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm in a different world. I'm very nervous.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a safe way on foot
Speaker 1: to leave the venue something like that.
Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about it, because there's no lighting. There's
Speaker 2: absolutely no lighting along the stretch of road there to
Speaker 2: get you know, back towards other parts of that city,
Speaker 2: that neighborhood that are more accessible, right for ride sharing services,
Speaker 2: for tax shoes, right, I mean like you.
Speaker 1: Have to, like any big concert or an airport, you
Speaker 1: have to walk aways before you get the uber or
Speaker 1: the lift or even you know New York so hail
Speaker 1: a taxi. Yeah, I heard that there were people getting
Speaker 1: into fake cabs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, I think that might be our culprit here,
Speaker 2: our connecutive tissue. Which yeah, and again this is me
Speaker 2: not an expert, but from that Curbed article, it sounds
Speaker 2: like there are multiple instances, and it's a pretty common
Speaker 2: thing to see cars parked out front of the club
Speaker 2: with a person holding a physical sign saying like you know,
Speaker 2: uber or taxi or you know, I'll give you a ride,
Speaker 2: and it's not an official service. Nobody called for that
Speaker 2: car to be there. They're just waiting to pick people up.
Speaker 2: And here's why it's weird. A lot of people who
Speaker 2: get picked up are intoxicated by one substance or another
Speaker 2: and may not be you know, may not have their
Speaker 2: full wits about them, and could be easy targets like
Speaker 2: that one doctor that was reported, the Connecticut doctor there
Speaker 2: was reported being picked up, driven around basically to take
Speaker 2: money out of multiple ATMs to go shopping at various locations,
Speaker 2: and then he had to go to a strip club
Speaker 2: with these guys. There's some crazy reporting about this whole
Speaker 2: thing that you can find everywhere. Shout out to News
Speaker 2: twelve the Bronx.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, a kidnapping of that sort of nature.
Speaker 1: It's not uncommon for the assailants to force someone to
Speaker 1: visit an ATM right or to you know, you can
Speaker 1: steal the cards, but the moment you use the cards
Speaker 1: as a criminal, the tracking begins, right, So it's not
Speaker 1: uncommon to force someone to pull out cash as soon
Speaker 1: as possible. It's also you know what it reminds me of.
Speaker 1: I'm just connecting dots here, Matt. It reminds me in
Speaker 1: some ways of the debate surrounding the alleged smiley face killers.
Speaker 2: Remember those, yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea that there was someone purposely killing young
Speaker 1: men in the US on an interstate level by drowning them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: To be clear, at this point, there's nothing indicating those
Speaker 1: things are related. The smiley faced murders theory itself remains
Speaker 1: incredibly controversial. But in both of these cases, what we
Speaker 1: see is this same debate. Is there a serial murderer,
Speaker 1: Is there just a higher likelihood of tragic, heartbreaking accident
Speaker 1: right or there is this a place where opportunists and
Speaker 1: criminals can thrive. I feel like that's a logical way
Speaker 1: to lay out the questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, it does feel like a place to
Speaker 2: pick up victims if you are of the mindset of
Speaker 2: some of these people who want to take advantage of somebody,
Speaker 2: Because I would jump to foxnews dot com. Actually, really seriously,
Speaker 2: go to foxnews dot com. There's an article titled doctor
Speaker 2: kidnapped from NYC music venue tied to mysterious deaths of
Speaker 2: men after concerts, And in this article you will find
Speaker 2: a vivid description of what that person went through. When
Speaker 2: the doctor, thirty two year old, when he got into
Speaker 2: the car, thinking it was just going to be, you know,
Speaker 2: someone taking him home, but no, there's already somebody in
Speaker 2: the car waiting for him who showed him a gun
Speaker 2: and then basically took him on that spending spree. Uh.
Speaker 2: And that was it. And the only way this doctor
Speaker 2: got out of it is he convinced his captors to
Speaker 2: take him to the emergency room because he had a
Speaker 2: shift and things are going to look really weird if he,
Speaker 2: you know, doesn't get back to get out of there,
Speaker 2: there's a patient that had an emergency and he has
Speaker 2: to get there immediately, Like I gotta go. You have
Speaker 2: to take me basically, So like they had another friend
Speaker 2: come over, I guess because one of the dudes couldn't
Speaker 2: operate a stick shift. And they got to the they
Speaker 2: got to.
Speaker 1: This this is a crazy story, come on.
Speaker 2: But they got to the er and the doctor's like, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I gotta go get it. You know, I have to
Speaker 2: go in there. They're expecting me. They're going to be
Speaker 2: weirded out if you show up, you know, with a
Speaker 2: gun at my back. Probably, So I just need to go,
Speaker 2: I'll tell security that you're with me. He went and
Speaker 2: told security. Those guys got arrested, which was pretty smart moves,
Speaker 2: pretty smart moves.
Speaker 1: And let's be clear, this person who is kidnapped, they're
Speaker 1: doing everything right, you know what I mean, except for
Speaker 1: arguably going to a secondary or tertiary location, which sometimes
Speaker 1: cannot be avoided. There's other scuttle butt too, man. Once
Speaker 1: you get once you get into local conversation, you'll see that.
Speaker 1: Months back, there were people saying they left the mirage
Speaker 1: and they were warned about a possible serial killer by
Speaker 1: someone outside, just a stranger. Yeah, watch out.
Speaker 2: That's creepy because you imagine if you're in that situation
Speaker 2: where someone has captured you, is using all of your money,
Speaker 2: having you go stand at ATMs and withdraw funds, knowing
Speaker 2: that your picture as the person with that card is
Speaker 2: going to be on that camera. I don't know. I
Speaker 2: feel like not very often they would let a captive
Speaker 2: person live, right. I don't know. That's creepy to me,
Speaker 2: but it feels like you wouldn't want to leave a
Speaker 2: witness if you were doing that kind of activity. That's
Speaker 2: scary to me. Does feel like it could it could
Speaker 2: explain some of these deaths. But curiously, the two men
Speaker 2: that were found Carl and John, there doesn't appear to
Speaker 2: be any evidence whatsoever of what actually happened to these guys,
Speaker 2: which you know, in the case of Carl Clemente, he
Speaker 2: was just running around in a lumberyard, maybe running away
Speaker 2: from something, and then he was found dead. That's all
Speaker 2: we know. That's literally all we know.
Speaker 1: And we also know that law enforcement is putting intense
Speaker 1: scrutiny into this series of events. Right at this point,
Speaker 1: there is no conclusive answer about what may have been happening,
Speaker 1: what may continue happening, right, but we know that we
Speaker 1: know that locals are saying, hey, the mirage itself, the
Speaker 1: venue should increase its security, right, should ensure safe passage
Speaker 1: as much as you can. And I think there's validity
Speaker 1: to that argument.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and according to the Curved article, that's what
Speaker 2: the you know, that's what they're trying to do. It
Speaker 2: is weird with the corruption angle that was mentioned by
Speaker 2: our caller here. You know something about was it the
Speaker 2: mayor's got some weird activity going on. I don't know
Speaker 2: what city Fox is and I've got to look into that.
Speaker 2: Whatever that corruption is there in New York City. But
Speaker 2: it's weird because it does feel like it would be
Speaker 2: either the venue or the city, or the venue working
Speaker 2: with the city to get just lights up along that
Speaker 2: stretch of road, right or to get some kind of
Speaker 2: network so that it's a known stop for Lyft and
Speaker 2: Uber and other related services. Right, absolutely, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean it could be a win win situation because
Speaker 1: if you are a ride share operator then and you
Speaker 1: have your timing right, then you know that you will
Speaker 1: be able to pick up potentially profitable fares.
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Speaker 1: Stay safe, folks, And we we have returned as mission
Speaker 1: control and doc No. Matt, you and I always always
Speaker 1: catch a vibe. We we know there's a great letter
Speaker 1: when both of us say, ooh, this one right, So we.
Speaker 2: It's happening more and more lately, I think, and with
Speaker 2: news stories for strange hus we're both just like, this
Speaker 2: is the one. Here's the analysis that we both show
Speaker 2: up and we're like, oh, oh you got it, bro Okay,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 1: I think it's cool because we can. I think it's
Speaker 1: cool because we're we're exploring these different yet complementary angles
Speaker 1: and this is just this is a great story. So
Speaker 1: a little bit of background here. Recently, we we did
Speaker 1: something we don't always do, which is a bit of
Speaker 1: a tutorial episode how to build an urban legend. Matt,
Speaker 1: you built an excellent urban legend that will.
Speaker 2: A workable urban legend.
Speaker 1: A workable urban whatever. It was great and light spoilers.
Speaker 1: You'll hear more about that and see more about that
Speaker 1: in the future, folks. But we asked our fellow conspiracy
Speaker 1: realist to tell us some Urban Legends from your neck
Speaker 1: of the Global woods, and we got we got several
Speaker 1: great ones. Just like when we asked about billionaire pranks
Speaker 1: and folks. This one, this person you're about to meet,
Speaker 1: they've got a doozy.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, introducing Gracie and the actually haunted mansion. I
Speaker 2: guess that's what we'll call this this in the anthology series.
Speaker 2: Let's just get to start it, Gracie says. Hi, guys,
Speaker 2: longtime listener, first time writer. I just listened to your
Speaker 2: Urban Legends episode, and oh boy, do I have a
Speaker 2: good one for you. Let me preface this by saying
Speaker 2: that I was a Disney World cast member on and
Speaker 2: off for about a decade, starting in twenty twelve. In
Speaker 2: that time, I worked in several different areas and have
Speaker 2: heard dozens of internal CM legends that's cast me legends
Speaker 2: over the years. However, the best story I have is
Speaker 2: much less a legend and more of a personal experience.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I'm just hyping you. Okay, we got it,
Speaker 1: we got it.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Many people have heard the story. The Disney guests who
Speaker 1: have recently lost a loved one will occasionally scatter said
Speaker 1: loved ones ashes inside of the Haunted Mansion so that
Speaker 1: they can join the nine hundred and ninety nine Happy
Speaker 1: Haunts in the Afterlife. Editorial note, I don't know about you, dude,
Speaker 1: I have never heard that one.
Speaker 2: That came up. I believe in the episode. I want
Speaker 2: to say, when Disney theories were discussed, maybe not. I've
Speaker 2: heard of this though.
Speaker 1: No one dies of Disney.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, shout.
Speaker 1: Out to a code named Doc and our longtime poll
Speaker 1: Lare and vogel bomb. That's right, scattering ashes at the
Speaker 1: Haunted Mansion amusement. Well, Gracie, you have brought us a
Speaker 1: plot twist with some boots on the ground.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Gracie says. Unfortunately, this isn't a legend at all,
Speaker 2: the whole spreading of ashes thing, and is in fact
Speaker 2: incredibly common. They rarely make it more than a few
Speaker 2: days without having someone's dead relative scattered throughout the ride.
Speaker 2: In fact, it's so common that it has its own
Speaker 2: radio code for when they have to call custodio to
Speaker 2: clean it up. It's an ongoing thing, and I doubt
Speaker 2: it'll stop anytime soon.
Speaker 1: But okay, you know what that means. That means this
Speaker 1: is at the very least happening on a weekly basis.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is troubly, Gracie continues. Here's where it
Speaker 1: gets crazy. Sometimes it actually works. When I worked at
Speaker 1: the Haunted Mansion, I personally had an experience with one
Speaker 1: mischievous spirit who like to hang out in the tunnel
Speaker 1: between the unloaded platform and the loading platform, the space
Speaker 1: between where guests exit their doom buggies doom buggies and
Speaker 1: more guests enter them.
Speaker 2: Again, guests are almost never on the ride in that
Speaker 2: small length of the track unless they are wheelchair users
Speaker 2: or for some other reason need additional assistance getting on
Speaker 2: and off the ride. Side note, if you're on the
Speaker 2: ride and it stops for a few minutes in the middle,
Speaker 2: this is usually the reason we stop the ride and
Speaker 2: load and unload these guests at this exit. And here's
Speaker 2: where Cracie's letter gets crazy. On several occasions, I heard
Speaker 2: my name being whispered from behind me while I was
Speaker 2: on the very end of the moving walkway. Oh, it
Speaker 2: was impossible for anyone to be in that space while
Speaker 2: the ride was in motion. If they were there, I
Speaker 2: would have known, because I would have been the one
Speaker 2: putting them there, or at the very least I would
Speaker 2: have seen them ride past me before they got there,
Speaker 2: but the shifts were sometimes long, and that entire hallway echoes,
Speaker 2: so I always chalked it up to just hearing things.
Speaker 2: That was, of course, until the day I felt the
Speaker 2: very distinctive sensation of a hand reaching out and slowly
Speaker 2: closing around my upper left arm.
Speaker 1: Oh no, pause there even for a like a living
Speaker 1: person to grab you there, that's not a good place, really, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: man like, think about it every time. You'll or you'll
Speaker 1: see it when we go to Vegas. Okay, So when
Speaker 1: someone gets escorted out of a nice establishment quote unquote
Speaker 1: and you don't want to cause a fuss, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: will have maybe a hand cupped on your elbow, there's
Speaker 1: usually gonna be to them. They'll have a hand cupped
Speaker 1: on your elbow, and there will be an arm subtly
Speaker 1: right here on your upper on your upper arm. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's kind of a command and control position from people.
Speaker 1: So that's not cool. Did you meet a ghost bouncer?
Speaker 2: That would be nuts? Well, let's find out. Let's it keeps.
Speaker 1: Going, It keeps going, Gracie says. I immediately jumped, turned
Speaker 1: around and hit the ride stop because I was certain
Speaker 1: some wayward guest had snuck behind me and made their
Speaker 1: way into an area that was not only off limits,
Speaker 1: but incredibly unsafe to be while the ride is in motion.
Speaker 1: My arm had only been inches from the ride vehicles.
Speaker 1: There was very little space between my back and the
Speaker 1: wall separating the on and off limits areas, so there
Speaker 1: was no way for anyone to get there without crossing
Speaker 1: over into dangerous territory. I grabbed my flashlight and checked
Speaker 1: the area, even having the other made on the unloaded
Speaker 1: belt take a look while I was at it. Nobody
Speaker 1: was there.
Speaker 2: We cleared the track and started the ride back up
Speaker 2: within about thirty seconds, and I brushed it off. It
Speaker 2: had been a long day already and I had just
Speaker 2: come in from the floor to midsummer heat, so I
Speaker 2: assumed my overheated mind was just playing tricks on me.
Speaker 2: I went on with my task of walking slowly and
Speaker 2: making sure nobody fell while stepping off the moving walkway.
Speaker 2: Five minutes later, it happened again.
Speaker 1: This time I immediately reached behind me to swat whatever
Speaker 1: it touched me. Assuming a fellow made or butler those
Speaker 1: are the terms for the employees here. Assuming a fellow
Speaker 1: maid or butler was just messing with me and running
Speaker 1: off before I could catch them. But my hand passed
Speaker 1: through nothing but air. Frigid, dry, ice, cold.
Speaker 2: Air in Florida in July.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe the AC is acting up, I thought. I
Speaker 1: slowed the ride this time, and gave the tunnel a
Speaker 1: quick glance again, just to be sure no one was there.
Speaker 1: But of course it was clear.
Speaker 2: The exit hallway behind me was quiet as well. In fact,
Speaker 2: no one had been behind me at all for several
Speaker 2: minutes because there was a lulland loading. It was just
Speaker 2: me and one other person operating the tower in front
Speaker 2: of me. I went back to my menial task. Now
Speaker 2: somewhat shaken up by the odd occurrence. I focused on
Speaker 2: what I was doing more than was strictly necessary, mostly
Speaker 2: to take my mind off of it. I wasn't frightened necessarily.
Speaker 2: I wasn't feeling any malevolent vibes or anything good. You
Speaker 2: weren't feeling those, But by that point I was annoyed
Speaker 2: and possibly a little worried about my own sanity.
Speaker 1: Finally, once I'd let my guard down, it happened a
Speaker 1: third time again, during a lull between guests. This time,
Speaker 1: the hand wrapped around my puffy costumes sleeve and gave
Speaker 1: it two solid tugs, and I might have snapped just
Speaker 1: a little bit. I turned around, stopped my foot, and
Speaker 1: sternly said stop that, before shining my flashlight down the chute.
Speaker 2: The only response was an empty tunnel and a hint
Speaker 2: of quiet, barely whispered laughter floating in the air. Ha,
Speaker 2: you were in the dark with me. I like your
Speaker 2: puffy sleeve talk talk.
Speaker 1: So that's just that's just us. That's a that's just
Speaker 1: us improvising soup top knock sound design. Uh float down
Speaker 1: here the hell? All right, Gracie says. I let out
Speaker 1: a dramatic sign, turned around, but ended up being bumped
Speaker 1: for my break a few minutes later. I immediately headed
Speaker 1: to the breakroom to tell someone what had happened, because
Speaker 1: I was certain by then that I'd either met a
Speaker 1: ghost or lost my mind.
Speaker 2: It turns out he was actually the first one. Almost
Speaker 2: everyone else in the room had a story about the
Speaker 2: quote unload ghost. That's not his real name, though he
Speaker 2: does have. At least a few several people had even
Speaker 2: seen him getting off the ride, what or walking through
Speaker 2: the halls long after we had closed the doors for
Speaker 2: the night. Hold on, come on now? What Apparently he
Speaker 2: gets testy when the person in that spot doesn't say
Speaker 2: hello when they take over the position, and when he
Speaker 2: he does, he spends the whole rotation messing with them,
Speaker 2: whispering their name, blowing in their ear, tugging on their sleeves, skirts,
Speaker 2: or coattails until they pay attention to him. What what?
Speaker 1: Well? This vibes and follows along with what we know
Speaker 1: about spiritual encounters. We'll get to it in a second.
Speaker 1: Let's slip the story, so Gracie, you continue. I encountered
Speaker 1: him a few more times during my stint at the attraction,
Speaker 1: but as long as I said hi when I went
Speaker 1: over that way, he let me do my job in peace.
Speaker 1: I did have a habit of making faces at him
Speaker 1: when I got bored, though, and I heard him giggle
Speaker 1: at least once or twice because of it. I haven't
Speaker 1: worked there in some time now, but I hear he's
Speaker 1: still around. So next time you ride the Haunted Mansion,
Speaker 1: make sure you give a wave to my spooky pal
Speaker 1: near the exit before you head out for the rest
Speaker 1: of your vacation.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll make his day, and who knows, maybe
Speaker 2: you'll get a laugh out of a very bored spirit
Speaker 2: or two really lovely Thank you, Gracie. What a story, Gracie.
Speaker 1: That was awesome, Matt, you, you and I may have
Speaker 1: had a little bit of editorial fun with it.
Speaker 2: Hey to own Pekito and and you know, mostly we
Speaker 2: were we stuck to it. Yeah yeah. Oh then and Gracie,
Speaker 2: by the way, calls it the true story of the
Speaker 2: one thousandth Ghost.
Speaker 1: That's right. Gracie also does something that I in particular
Speaker 1: immensely appreciate, concluding he's a good guy, and I often
Speaker 1: wonder if the newer cast members are keeping him entertained.
Speaker 1: So good on you for not villainizing right this spirit,
Speaker 1: you know. And and also, of course, there is a
Speaker 1: PSA which we will summarize. Don't do that. Don't dump
Speaker 1: human remains on a working ride at one of the
Speaker 1: world's biggest amusement parks. Every human loss of life is
Speaker 1: a tragedy, right, but this also causes some extensive and
Speaker 1: avoidable chaos.
Speaker 2: Grazie describes how they literally have to shut down the
Speaker 2: ride for a couple hours while they do a biohazard
Speaker 2: cleanup of your relative, and that biohazard cleanup. All those
Speaker 2: remains just end up in a dumpster somewhere, probably right
Speaker 2: outside Disney World.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhere in Reedy Creek. And that's not what you
Speaker 1: want for your loved ones, one would imagine. So maybe
Speaker 1: maybe we end our nuctivigation here. We heard this amazing
Speaker 1: local urban legend. If you've listened to our episode on
Speaker 1: how to Build an Urban Legend, then you can hear
Speaker 1: several of the beats that are occurring. This one is
Speaker 1: a little bit different because our fellow conspiracy realist Gracie
Speaker 1: has first hand experience with the phenomenon in question. If
Speaker 1: you have encountered something haunted at the Haunted Mansion, if
Speaker 1: you have an urban legend you'd like to share with us,
Speaker 1: we would love to hear it. And we're not blowing
Speaker 1: smoke here. We're huge fans of these, Matt. I had
Speaker 1: so much fun exploring that this story in particular with you,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Oh and ps to the ps, Gracey signs off rip Gracy,
Speaker 2: which is just great. So it's just Grace, Gracey. Do
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