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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.

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Speaker 2: Our colleague Noel is not here today, but he will

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Alexis code named Doc Holliday Jackson. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. Hold up, something's weird,

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Speaker 1: something's weird here. It's Monday evening, and we are we're

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Speaker 1: arriving with listener mail rather than our typical strange news segment.

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Speaker 2: Matt, God, that is so weird.

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Speaker 1: Well, we talk pretty often about the deceptive nature of

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Speaker 1: time as a flat circle. We did some, We did

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Speaker 1: some juggling around. Never fear, fellow conspiracy realist, Strange news

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Speaker 1: will be coming to us all later this week. So

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Speaker 1: as you are hearing this, some very strange news is

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Speaker 1: on your way Thursday. For now, we are over the moon.

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Speaker 1: Can we say over the moon since that Russian pro crashed?

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Speaker 1: Or is that too soon? Yes, anyway, here is our

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Speaker 1: listener mail Matt. Quick shout out to our returning super producer.

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Speaker 1: Several of our fellow conspiracy realists have written in and asked, Hey,

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Speaker 1: what happened? Where's Code named Doc? Code Name Doc is

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Speaker 1: always doing amazing things. Currently she is a space scoundrel

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Speaker 1: despite the fact that Starfield, a game we're all very

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she said, she paused the game just to be

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Speaker 2: here with us. So thank you, I.

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Speaker 1: Know, thank you, thank you for classing up the show

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Speaker 2: Doc.

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Speaker 1: It's good to have you back tonight, Matt. We're going

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Speaker 1: to explore a lot of strange stuff. We got so

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Speaker 1: many interesting pieces of correspondence. We're going to explore some

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Speaker 1: urban legends. We recently did an episode on how to

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Speaker 1: former adherent of the Mouse. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: some deaths at the Brooklyn Mirage. And before we do

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Speaker 1: any of that, we talked off Aaron. We thought it

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Speaker 1: would be interesting to begin with a follow up email

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Speaker 1: from our old pal Nemesis, and you read this one

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a great message from somebody who has

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Speaker 2: hands on experience attempting to stop people from tracking all

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Speaker 2: I think we should just read it because we can

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Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. So here we are from Nemesis, dear esteem, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Professors of intrigue, seekers of sedition, mission and doc as

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Speaker 1: a follow up to my July email on Google side

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Speaker 1: mail segment. Recently, my area was fortunate to be connected

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Speaker 2: Can can we go ahead and just say that's the

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Speaker 2: reported that fifty three companies were gathering, holding, trading, and

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Speaker 2: interchange them, that's all I always think of data in

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Speaker 2: Note I'm from the UK. Oh interesting, So the GDPR

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Speaker 2: I found that website in Cogni dot com and it

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Speaker 2: And it's for individuals. It's not for the companies. It's

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Speaker 2: Uh, Nemesis says, so far, thirty one companies have removed

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Speaker 2: of the word sick was, Ben, Wow, I'm so smart.

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Speaker 1: That's just the edge of the rabbit hole to dive in.

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Speaker 1: And Nemesis says, what are your thoughts about this? I'm

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Speaker 1: losing battle at this point. Off air, you and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I gave up. If somebody's watching what I'm doing,

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Speaker 1: There we go, Yeah, there we go. And also there's

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Speaker 3: How many stuff they don't want you to know? You

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Speaker 2: that neighborhood that are more accessible, right for ride sharing services,

434
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Speaker 2: for tax shoes, right, I mean like you.

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Speaker 1: Have to, like any big concert or an airport, you

436
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Speaker 1: have to walk aways before you get the uber or

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Speaker 1: the lift or even you know New York so hail

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Speaker 1: a taxi. Yeah, I heard that there were people getting

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Speaker 1: into fake cabs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh no, I think that might be our culprit here,

441
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: our connecutive tissue. Which yeah, and again this is me

442
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: not an expert, but from that Curbed article, it sounds

443
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Speaker 2: like there are multiple instances, and it's a pretty common

444
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Speaker 2: thing to see cars parked out front of the club

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Speaker 2: with a person holding a physical sign saying like you know,

446
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Speaker 2: uber or taxi or you know, I'll give you a ride,

447
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,199
Speaker 2: and it's not an official service. Nobody called for that

448
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: car to be there. They're just waiting to pick people up.

449
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: And here's why it's weird. A lot of people who

450
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: get picked up are intoxicated by one substance or another

451
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: and may not be you know, may not have their

452
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Speaker 2: full wits about them, and could be easy targets like

453
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Speaker 2: that one doctor that was reported, the Connecticut doctor there

454
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Speaker 2: was reported being picked up, driven around basically to take

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Speaker 2: money out of multiple ATMs to go shopping at various locations,

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Speaker 2: and then he had to go to a strip club

457
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Speaker 2: with these guys. There's some crazy reporting about this whole

458
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Speaker 2: thing that you can find everywhere. Shout out to News

459
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Speaker 2: twelve the Bronx.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, a kidnapping of that sort of nature.

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Speaker 1: It's not uncommon for the assailants to force someone to

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Speaker 1: visit an ATM right or to you know, you can

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Speaker 1: steal the cards, but the moment you use the cards

464
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Speaker 1: as a criminal, the tracking begins, right, So it's not

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Speaker 1: uncommon to force someone to pull out cash as soon

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Speaker 1: as possible. It's also you know what it reminds me of.

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Speaker 1: I'm just connecting dots here, Matt. It reminds me in

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Speaker 1: some ways of the debate surrounding the alleged smiley face killers.

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Speaker 2: Remember those, yeah, I do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea that there was someone purposely killing young

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Speaker 1: men in the US on an interstate level by drowning them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, at this point, there's nothing indicating those

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Speaker 1: things are related. The smiley faced murders theory itself remains

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Speaker 1: incredibly controversial. But in both of these cases, what we

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Speaker 1: see is this same debate. Is there a serial murderer,

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Speaker 1: Is there just a higher likelihood of tragic, heartbreaking accident

478
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Speaker 1: right or there is this a place where opportunists and

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00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: criminals can thrive. I feel like that's a logical way

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Speaker 1: to lay out the questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, it does feel like a place to

482
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Speaker 2: pick up victims if you are of the mindset of

483
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Speaker 2: some of these people who want to take advantage of somebody,

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Speaker 2: Because I would jump to foxnews dot com. Actually, really seriously,

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Speaker 2: go to foxnews dot com. There's an article titled doctor

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Speaker 2: kidnapped from NYC music venue tied to mysterious deaths of

487
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Speaker 2: men after concerts, And in this article you will find

488
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Speaker 2: a vivid description of what that person went through. When

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Speaker 2: the doctor, thirty two year old, when he got into

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Speaker 2: the car, thinking it was just going to be, you know,

491
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Speaker 2: someone taking him home, but no, there's already somebody in

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Speaker 2: the car waiting for him who showed him a gun

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Speaker 2: and then basically took him on that spending spree. Uh.

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Speaker 2: And that was it. And the only way this doctor

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Speaker 2: got out of it is he convinced his captors to

496
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Speaker 2: take him to the emergency room because he had a

497
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Speaker 2: shift and things are going to look really weird if he,

498
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Speaker 2: you know, doesn't get back to get out of there,

499
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Speaker 2: there's a patient that had an emergency and he has

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Speaker 2: to get there immediately, Like I gotta go. You have

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Speaker 2: to take me basically, So like they had another friend

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Speaker 2: come over, I guess because one of the dudes couldn't

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Speaker 2: operate a stick shift. And they got to the they

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Speaker 2: got to.

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Speaker 1: This this is a crazy story, come on.

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Speaker 2: But they got to the er and the doctor's like, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I gotta go get it. You know, I have to

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Speaker 2: go in there. They're expecting me. They're going to be

509
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Speaker 2: weirded out if you show up, you know, with a

510
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Speaker 2: gun at my back. Probably, So I just need to go,

511
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Speaker 2: I'll tell security that you're with me. He went and

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Speaker 2: told security. Those guys got arrested, which was pretty smart moves,

513
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: pretty smart moves.

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Speaker 1: And let's be clear, this person who is kidnapped, they're

515
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: doing everything right, you know what I mean, except for

516
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Speaker 1: arguably going to a secondary or tertiary location, which sometimes

517
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: cannot be avoided. There's other scuttle butt too, man. Once

518
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: you get once you get into local conversation, you'll see that.

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Speaker 1: Months back, there were people saying they left the mirage

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Speaker 1: and they were warned about a possible serial killer by

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Speaker 1: someone outside, just a stranger. Yeah, watch out.

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Speaker 2: That's creepy because you imagine if you're in that situation

523
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Speaker 2: where someone has captured you, is using all of your money,

524
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 2: having you go stand at ATMs and withdraw funds, knowing

525
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Speaker 2: that your picture as the person with that card is

526
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: going to be on that camera. I don't know. I

527
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: feel like not very often they would let a captive

528
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Speaker 2: person live, right. I don't know. That's creepy to me,

529
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Speaker 2: but it feels like you wouldn't want to leave a

530
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Speaker 2: witness if you were doing that kind of activity. That's

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Speaker 2: scary to me. Does feel like it could it could

532
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: explain some of these deaths. But curiously, the two men

533
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: that were found Carl and John, there doesn't appear to

534
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 2: be any evidence whatsoever of what actually happened to these guys,

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Speaker 2: which you know, in the case of Carl Clemente, he

536
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: was just running around in a lumberyard, maybe running away

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Speaker 2: from something, and then he was found dead. That's all

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00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 2: we know. That's literally all we know.

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Speaker 1: And we also know that law enforcement is putting intense

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Speaker 1: scrutiny into this series of events. Right at this point,

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Speaker 1: there is no conclusive answer about what may have been happening,

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00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 1: what may continue happening, right, but we know that we

543
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: know that locals are saying, hey, the mirage itself, the

544
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: venue should increase its security, right, should ensure safe passage

545
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: as much as you can. And I think there's validity

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Speaker 1: to that argument.

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00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and according to the Curved article, that's what

548
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: the you know, that's what they're trying to do. It

549
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: is weird with the corruption angle that was mentioned by

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Speaker 2: our caller here. You know something about was it the

551
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: mayor's got some weird activity going on. I don't know

552
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: what city Fox is and I've got to look into that.

553
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: Whatever that corruption is there in New York City. But

554
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,479
Speaker 2: it's weird because it does feel like it would be

555
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: either the venue or the city, or the venue working

556
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Speaker 2: with the city to get just lights up along that

557
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 2: stretch of road, right or to get some kind of

558
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 2: network so that it's a known stop for Lyft and

559
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: Uber and other related services. Right, absolutely, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean it could be a win win situation because

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00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: if you are a ride share operator then and you

562
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: have your timing right, then you know that you will

563
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: be able to pick up potentially profitable fares.

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Speaker 2: Right, get vomit all over your car? Am I? Right now?

565
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: I'm just joking.

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Speaker 1: I'm just sing and finally get that vomited interior that

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00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: everybody dreams about in a nice automobile. But Pink Fairy

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Speaker 1: Angel PFA, if I may be so old, PFA, you're

569
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Speaker 1: raising something that we want more people to hear, want

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00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: more people to know about this. If you have experience

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00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: with Avant Gardner Brooklyn Mirage, let us know. If you

572
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 1: are a local of the area, let us know what

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Speaker 1: you're hearing on the streets that may not make it

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Speaker 1: to the press releases. What do you think about that

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Speaker 1: man that's perfect.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we take a quick break here where from

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Speaker 2: our sponsor and then we'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Stay safe, folks, And we we have returned as mission

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Speaker 1: control and doc No. Matt, you and I always always

580
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: catch a vibe. We we know there's a great letter

581
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: when both of us say, ooh, this one right, So we.

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00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: It's happening more and more lately, I think, and with

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00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 2: news stories for strange hus we're both just like, this

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00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: is the one. Here's the analysis that we both show

585
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: up and we're like, oh, oh you got it, bro Okay,

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00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 2: all right.

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00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: I think it's cool because we can. I think it's

588
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: cool because we're we're exploring these different yet complementary angles

589
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: and this is just this is a great story. So

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00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of background here. Recently, we we did

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00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: something we don't always do, which is a bit of

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Speaker 1: a tutorial episode how to build an urban legend. Matt,

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Speaker 1: you built an excellent urban legend that will.

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00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: A workable urban legend.

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00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: A workable urban whatever. It was great and light spoilers.

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00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: You'll hear more about that and see more about that

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00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: in the future, folks. But we asked our fellow conspiracy

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Speaker 1: realist to tell us some Urban Legends from your neck

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00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: of the Global woods, and we got we got several

600
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Speaker 1: great ones. Just like when we asked about billionaire pranks

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00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: and folks. This one, this person you're about to meet,

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00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: they've got a doozy.

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00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 2: Oh yes, introducing Gracie and the actually haunted mansion. I

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Speaker 2: guess that's what we'll call this this in the anthology series.

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Speaker 2: Let's just get to start it, Gracie says. Hi, guys,

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00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: longtime listener, first time writer. I just listened to your

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00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 2: Urban Legends episode, and oh boy, do I have a

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00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: good one for you. Let me preface this by saying

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Speaker 2: that I was a Disney World cast member on and

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Speaker 2: off for about a decade, starting in twenty twelve. In

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00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: that time, I worked in several different areas and have

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00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 2: heard dozens of internal CM legends that's cast me legends

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00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: over the years. However, the best story I have is

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00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: much less a legend and more of a personal experience.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh, I'm just hyping you. Okay, we got it,

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Speaker 1: we got it.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Many people have heard the story. The Disney guests who

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Speaker 1: have recently lost a loved one will occasionally scatter said

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Speaker 1: loved ones ashes inside of the Haunted Mansion so that

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Speaker 1: they can join the nine hundred and ninety nine Happy

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Speaker 1: Haunts in the Afterlife. Editorial note, I don't know about you, dude,

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Speaker 1: I have never heard that one.

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Speaker 2: That came up. I believe in the episode. I want

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Speaker 2: to say, when Disney theories were discussed, maybe not. I've

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00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: heard of this though.

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00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: No one dies of Disney.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, shout.

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Speaker 1: Out to a code named Doc and our longtime poll

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Speaker 1: Lare and vogel bomb. That's right, scattering ashes at the

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Speaker 1: Haunted Mansion amusement. Well, Gracie, you have brought us a

632
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: plot twist with some boots on the ground.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Gracie says. Unfortunately, this isn't a legend at all,

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Speaker 2: the whole spreading of ashes thing, and is in fact

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Speaker 2: incredibly common. They rarely make it more than a few

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Speaker 2: days without having someone's dead relative scattered throughout the ride.

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Speaker 2: In fact, it's so common that it has its own

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Speaker 2: radio code for when they have to call custodio to

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Speaker 2: clean it up. It's an ongoing thing, and I doubt

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Speaker 2: it'll stop anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: But okay, you know what that means. That means this

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Speaker 1: is at the very least happening on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that is troubly, Gracie continues. Here's where it

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Speaker 1: gets crazy. Sometimes it actually works. When I worked at

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Speaker 1: the Haunted Mansion, I personally had an experience with one

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Speaker 1: mischievous spirit who like to hang out in the tunnel

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Speaker 1: between the unloaded platform and the loading platform, the space

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Speaker 1: between where guests exit their doom buggies doom buggies and

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Speaker 1: more guests enter them.

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Speaker 2: Again, guests are almost never on the ride in that

651
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 2: small length of the track unless they are wheelchair users

652
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Speaker 2: or for some other reason need additional assistance getting on

653
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Speaker 2: and off the ride. Side note, if you're on the

654
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Speaker 2: ride and it stops for a few minutes in the middle,

655
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 2: this is usually the reason we stop the ride and

656
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: load and unload these guests at this exit. And here's

657
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 2: where Cracie's letter gets crazy. On several occasions, I heard

658
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: my name being whispered from behind me while I was

659
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: on the very end of the moving walkway. Oh, it

660
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 2: was impossible for anyone to be in that space while

661
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 2: the ride was in motion. If they were there, I

662
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 2: would have known, because I would have been the one

663
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 2: putting them there, or at the very least I would

664
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Speaker 2: have seen them ride past me before they got there,

665
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: but the shifts were sometimes long, and that entire hallway echoes,

666
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 2: so I always chalked it up to just hearing things.

667
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: That was, of course, until the day I felt the

668
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: very distinctive sensation of a hand reaching out and slowly

669
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 2: closing around my upper left arm.

670
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: Oh no, pause there even for a like a living

671
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: person to grab you there, that's not a good place, really, yeah, no,

672
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: man like, think about it every time. You'll or you'll

673
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: see it when we go to Vegas. Okay, So when

674
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,760
Speaker 1: someone gets escorted out of a nice establishment quote unquote

675
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 1: and you don't want to cause a fuss, Yeah, they

676
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: will have maybe a hand cupped on your elbow, there's

677
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 1: usually gonna be to them. They'll have a hand cupped

678
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: on your elbow, and there will be an arm subtly

679
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: right here on your upper on your upper arm. Yeah,

680
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: because that's kind of a command and control position from people.

681
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 1: So that's not cool. Did you meet a ghost bouncer?

682
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: That would be nuts? Well, let's find out. Let's it keeps.

683
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: Going, It keeps going, Gracie says. I immediately jumped, turned

684
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: around and hit the ride stop because I was certain

685
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,399
Speaker 1: some wayward guest had snuck behind me and made their

686
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: way into an area that was not only off limits,

687
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: but incredibly unsafe to be while the ride is in motion.

688
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: My arm had only been inches from the ride vehicles.

689
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: There was very little space between my back and the

690
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: wall separating the on and off limits areas, so there

691
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: was no way for anyone to get there without crossing

692
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: over into dangerous territory. I grabbed my flashlight and checked

693
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,720
Speaker 1: the area, even having the other made on the unloaded

694
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:38,239
Speaker 1: belt take a look while I was at it. Nobody

695
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 1: was there.

696
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: We cleared the track and started the ride back up

697
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 2: within about thirty seconds, and I brushed it off. It

698
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: had been a long day already and I had just

699
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: come in from the floor to midsummer heat, so I

700
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 2: assumed my overheated mind was just playing tricks on me.

701
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 2: I went on with my task of walking slowly and

702
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: making sure nobody fell while stepping off the moving walkway.

703
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: Five minutes later, it happened again.

704
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 1: This time I immediately reached behind me to swat whatever

705
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 1: it touched me. Assuming a fellow made or butler those

706
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 1: are the terms for the employees here. Assuming a fellow

707
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: maid or butler was just messing with me and running

708
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 1: off before I could catch them. But my hand passed

709
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: through nothing but air. Frigid, dry, ice, cold.

710
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 2: Air in Florida in July.

711
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe the AC is acting up, I thought. I

712
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: slowed the ride this time, and gave the tunnel a

713
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: quick glance again, just to be sure no one was there.

714
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: But of course it was clear.

715
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: The exit hallway behind me was quiet as well. In fact,

716
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: no one had been behind me at all for several

717
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: minutes because there was a lulland loading. It was just

718
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: me and one other person operating the tower in front

719
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: of me. I went back to my menial task. Now

720
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: somewhat shaken up by the odd occurrence. I focused on

721
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: what I was doing more than was strictly necessary, mostly

722
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: to take my mind off of it. I wasn't frightened necessarily.

723
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 2: I wasn't feeling any malevolent vibes or anything good. You

724
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 2: weren't feeling those, But by that point I was annoyed

725
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: and possibly a little worried about my own sanity.

726
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: Finally, once I'd let my guard down, it happened a

727
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: third time again, during a lull between guests. This time,

728
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: the hand wrapped around my puffy costumes sleeve and gave

729
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: it two solid tugs, and I might have snapped just

730
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. I turned around, stopped my foot, and

731
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: sternly said stop that, before shining my flashlight down the chute.

732
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: The only response was an empty tunnel and a hint

733
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: of quiet, barely whispered laughter floating in the air. Ha,

734
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: you were in the dark with me. I like your

735
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: puffy sleeve talk talk.

736
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: So that's just that's just us. That's a that's just

737
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: us improvising soup top knock sound design. Uh float down

738
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 1: here the hell? All right, Gracie says. I let out

739
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: a dramatic sign, turned around, but ended up being bumped

740
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: for my break a few minutes later. I immediately headed

741
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: to the breakroom to tell someone what had happened, because

742
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: I was certain by then that I'd either met a

743
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: ghost or lost my mind.

744
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: It turns out he was actually the first one. Almost

745
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: everyone else in the room had a story about the

746
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: quote unload ghost. That's not his real name, though he

747
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: does have. At least a few several people had even

748
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: seen him getting off the ride, what or walking through

749
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: the halls long after we had closed the doors for

750
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: the night. Hold on, come on now? What Apparently he

751
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: gets testy when the person in that spot doesn't say

752
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: hello when they take over the position, and when he

753
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 2: he does, he spends the whole rotation messing with them,

754
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: whispering their name, blowing in their ear, tugging on their sleeves, skirts,

755
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: or coattails until they pay attention to him. What what?

756
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: Well? This vibes and follows along with what we know

757
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 1: about spiritual encounters. We'll get to it in a second.

758
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: Let's slip the story, so Gracie, you continue. I encountered

759
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: him a few more times during my stint at the attraction,

760
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: but as long as I said hi when I went

761
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: over that way, he let me do my job in peace.

762
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: I did have a habit of making faces at him

763
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,280
Speaker 1: when I got bored, though, and I heard him giggle

764
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: at least once or twice because of it. I haven't

765
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 1: worked there in some time now, but I hear he's

766
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: still around. So next time you ride the Haunted Mansion,

767
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: make sure you give a wave to my spooky pal

768
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 1: near the exit before you head out for the rest

769
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: of your vacation.

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00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 2: I'm sure you'll make his day, and who knows, maybe

771
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: you'll get a laugh out of a very bored spirit

772
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: or two really lovely Thank you, Gracie. What a story, Gracie.

773
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: That was awesome, Matt, you, you and I may have

774
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: had a little bit of editorial fun with it.

775
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: Hey to own Pekito and and you know, mostly we

776
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: were we stuck to it. Yeah yeah. Oh then and Gracie,

777
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 2: by the way, calls it the true story of the

778
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 2: one thousandth Ghost.

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00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: That's right. Gracie also does something that I in particular

780
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: immensely appreciate, concluding he's a good guy, and I often

781
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: wonder if the newer cast members are keeping him entertained.

782
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: So good on you for not villainizing right this spirit,

783
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: you know. And and also, of course, there is a

784
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 1: PSA which we will summarize. Don't do that. Don't dump

785
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: human remains on a working ride at one of the

786
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: world's biggest amusement parks. Every human loss of life is

787
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: a tragedy, right, but this also causes some extensive and

788
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: avoidable chaos.

789
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: Grazie describes how they literally have to shut down the

790
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: ride for a couple hours while they do a biohazard

791
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: cleanup of your relative, and that biohazard cleanup. All those

792
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: remains just end up in a dumpster somewhere, probably right

793
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 2: outside Disney World.

794
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, somewhere in Reedy Creek. And that's not what you

795
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: want for your loved ones, one would imagine. So maybe

796
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: maybe we end our nuctivigation here. We heard this amazing

797
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: local urban legend. If you've listened to our episode on

798
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: how to Build an Urban Legend, then you can hear

799
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: several of the beats that are occurring. This one is

800
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 1: a little bit different because our fellow conspiracy realist Gracie

801
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: has first hand experience with the phenomenon in question. If

802
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,479
Speaker 1: you have encountered something haunted at the Haunted Mansion, if

803
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 1: you have an urban legend you'd like to share with us,

804
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: we would love to hear it. And we're not blowing

805
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: smoke here. We're huge fans of these, Matt. I had

806
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: so much fun exploring that this story in particular with you,

807
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: you know.

808
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: Oh and ps to the ps, Gracey signs off rip Gracy,

809
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 2: which is just great. So it's just Grace, Gracey. Do

810
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: do please send us your urban legends. We want to

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00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,439
Speaker 2: hear them. We want to just tell the stories. It's

812
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 2: a whole lot of fun for us, just to I

813
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: don't know, in a weird way ben kind of perform them,

814
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,920
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00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,040
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00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,359
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00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,600
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00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 2: or cool, we might read them on one of our episodes.

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Speaker 2: So why don't you do.

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00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: That specificity above all honesty?

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00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 2: Right?

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00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you say I'm running and gunning, you

825
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