1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 3 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, Charles W. Chuck Bryant is 5 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: across from me out of kissing distance, and uh, I 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: guess that makes this stuff you should know the non 7 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: kissing edition about kissing, which is every single one of 8 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:36,319 Speaker 1: our shows thus far. Body Farms came close. Yeah, you're right, 9 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: I've urged to make out. Remember I took my shirt off. 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: Oh that's right. Yeah, And you're like, I'm not doing this. 11 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: Well that quilled that quilled my urge to make out. 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh really, yes, that's what you want and 13 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: you're like, no, put it away. Hey, hey man, it's 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 1: been a big month and we're at the end of it, 15 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: aren't we. Yes, October October has been nutty on it. 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: We've been on the TV to twice twice. Yeah, remember 17 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: good Day It like yeah, actually he forgot about. Yes, 18 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: we were on TV twice, Yes, we were. We went 19 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: to New York. Did he see didd c to South Caroline? Well, 20 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,639 Speaker 1: when I us went to South Carolina, more on that later. 21 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: And um, this is the end, Chuck, this is this 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: is the last work related thing we have to do 23 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: this month. Do you know what stinks is October is 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: my favorite month and always has been. And I don't 25 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 1: feel like I really got to enjoy October this year 26 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: that much. Yeah. I've had Decembers like that. For me. 27 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: I loved Christmas time, the holiday season, and um, I've 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: had a December like that and I was like this, 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: someone owes you. Yeah, that's how I feel the universe. 30 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: Does the universe owes me in October? Although it's not 31 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: like we were I mean we had a lot of 32 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: great times in New York and stuff. It's not like 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: it was an awful experience. No, But I know what 34 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: you mean, Like you have a certain month out of 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: the year that's dedicated to certain things, and if you 36 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: don't pursue these certain things, then you what's life worth? Exactly? 37 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: But here we are in November almost and uh, we're 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: getting back to normal, or at least whatever the new 39 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: normal is. Yeah. So I'm excited. Yeah, me too. You're excited, 40 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: and we're talking about kissing today. Right. This is a 41 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: very um hard, clinical look at the science of kissing. Yes, which, 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: by the way, we should say the science a scientific 43 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: study of kissing is called fillymatology p h I L 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: E M A. So we're fillimatologist for the day. Uh 45 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: So let me go ahead, Josh, and then just start 46 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: out clinically saying that anthropologists no one knows for sure 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: why we kiss to begin with. There's some theories though, 48 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: and one of them anthropologists came up with was that 49 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,399 Speaker 1: back when we were evolving humans, but we um that 50 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: mothers would regurgitate or not regurgitate, but they would chew 51 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: up their food. That's regurgitating. I thought regurgitating was when 52 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: you literally like threw it up. Okay, you're right, yes, okay, 53 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: But that mothers would take their new more and they 54 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: would chew up their food to then place like a 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: bird would into the baby's mouth. And that that evolved 56 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: even once the kid learned how to eat, into just 57 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: affectionate caretaking, right and um, it was a way to 58 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: reassure the kid. It was something that the kid, I imagine, 59 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: would had come to associate with pleasurable close feelings. Right 60 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: that spitting food into your mouth, well exactly, but that's 61 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: the learned behavior idea, right, and it's the big, one, 62 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: big flaw with it there is and it is are 63 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: you setting me up? I'm like, you're pointing at Yeah. 64 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: The problem with that is there are some cultures, um, 65 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: indigenous cultures today that still do that with their food 66 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: and um, some of them do not kiss until Westerners 67 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: came along and they were like, you should try kissing. 68 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: It's rad right, And the people kissed and they went, 69 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: this is rad right, and that was that. But since 70 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: not all of them do that, then that's not proof. 71 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: But it kind of lends itself to saying, maybe it's 72 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: not a learned behavior. Um. I had a like, this 73 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: makes sense to me, But I also it makes me wonder, um, 74 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: if behavior evolves, right, Um, isn't it possible that that 75 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: doesn't always evolve over the same timeline and all cultures 76 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: in all locations. Well, that's what I thought. It didn't 77 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: necessarily prove something, but it is a big it's a 78 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: big flaw that people can just like pick apart like 79 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: so many scats. What about the other side of the coin. Now, 80 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: the other side of the coin is that it's instinctive 81 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of evidence that um, kissing is instinctive. 82 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 1: Elsewhere in the animal kingdom, Um, you see like tigers nuzzling. 83 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: It is um apparently snails rob antennae, which is super cute. 84 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: Have we ever seen it? Uh? Yes, I have, like 85 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 1: the slow motion I think Discovery actually had some of that. 86 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: Uh it's it's actually rather or maybe it was that 87 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: movie Microcosm, but it looks really lurid. When you see 88 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 1: two snails combining themselves. Ye, up close, it's like, oh 89 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: my god, this is clinical and sterile. Look at things. 90 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: I think birds touched beaks. Yeah, and it's it's all 91 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: over the animal kingdom. In a lot of cases, what 92 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: you're seeing is a like smell, their scent glands located 93 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,799 Speaker 1: in the face of some animals in that area. Yeah. 94 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: So when you see two tigers, knows only they're like 95 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: smelling one another's pheromones or some scent. That's pleasurable. But 96 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: the point is is while they may not be kissing 97 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 1: as we know it, they're still engaged in pretty much 98 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: the same behavior that establishes bonds, that reinforces trust, and 99 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,239 Speaker 1: that shows that you are close to that that other animal, 100 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: that mate, or that kin folk. Yeah, didn't you have 101 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: something on the bona bow Apes. Yes, I thought you 102 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: were telling me something about that earlier. I wasn't you weren't. No, 103 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: you haven't me confused with someone else. Well, these things 104 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: kissed like crazy. They do, and they kiss regardless of sex, 105 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: regardless of status in the in the pack? Is it 106 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: a pack of apes? The family, the tribe? I think 107 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: it's a family, So I mean, trust me, we're gonna 108 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: get email on this one. They kiss all the time, 109 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: though they do it to reduce tension after a fight, Uh, 110 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: to reassure each other, um the social bonds and for 111 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: no reason at all, you know, the reduced tension after 112 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: a fight. Do you know who? That reminded me of? 113 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: Ronny and Donny Galleon? Remember they kiss and makeup after 114 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: a fight, the world's oldest can joined twins. Yeah, very 115 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: sweet story. They're still with us, aren't they as far 116 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: as I know? Oh goodness, Chuck. Their birthday just happened. 117 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: They'd be fifty eight now, that's right. Yeah, we need 118 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 1: to check in on them, not that they know who 119 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: we are. We're just the creepy guy who followed them 120 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: home from school, all right. So there's there's um arguments 121 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: for and against we should say. Part of the problem 122 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: with um with saying that kissing is instinctive, it's it's 123 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: very difficult to prove um and the fact that about 124 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: of all cultures across the world kiss, So if it's instinctive, 125 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: what's up with the other ten percent? Well, they I 126 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 1: think they found some cultures in Asia and where else? 127 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: South America? South America, but um, I think Africa, right, 128 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: And they said that while it's it's not completely conclusive 129 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: that they do not kiss, some of them may not 130 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: think it's appropriate to like share that with the white 131 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: dude that got off the plane that's asking them about it, right, 132 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: you know, So maybe they don't kiss and tell. But generally, 133 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: I mean everywhere I'll look, said, of all cultures kiss, 134 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: So that's where we're gonna go with. Yeah, and in 135 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: a kissy face culture, which is most of them, as 136 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: we've seen. Um I found Chuck that people spend as 137 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: much as two weeks out of their lives kissing, which 138 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: you want to hear something depressing. That's about as much 139 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: time as we spend waiting for red lights in our lifetime. 140 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,119 Speaker 1: I wonder how much time is been kissing at red lights. 141 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: I don't know it's a great question. I was wondering 142 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: how much more we would kiss if we spent less 143 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: time at red lights. Yeah, like if maybe it would 144 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: be like three weeks in one week or something like that. 145 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: It's a good point. So there are people, as we said, uh, 146 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: philematologists who study the science of kissing, of kissy faces 147 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 1: nous uh. And one of those groups is the Kinsey Institute, 148 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: named after the famous sex researcher Alfred Kinsey. And they've 149 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: basically found that there are three factors that contribute to 150 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: the experience of a kiss, right, yes, and they are biological, psychological, 151 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: and social. Yeah, psychological, Um, there's a couple of factors 152 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: within that sub factors. Um. It depends on how you're 153 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: feeling at the time and how you feel about the 154 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: person of how it's going to affect you. Obviously you've 155 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: heard the expression like kissing your sister. That's if you're 156 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: being kissed by someone you don't want to be kissed by, 157 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 1: you're gonna have a completely different reaction slee than when 158 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: you're being kissed by someone you really want to kiss. 159 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: And your emotional state at the time you're being kissed 160 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: has a lot to do with it as well. Right, 161 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: there's a lot of um physiological processes that your body 162 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: undergoes when you're kissing or being kissed. We'll talk about those, 163 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: uh in um a little greater detail in a second. 164 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: And then there's social factors like how your society views kissing, 165 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: like is your first kiss going to be this magical 166 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: experience in society? Who probably going to be looking forward 167 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: to it so much pressure? Right? Is kissing extremely romantic? 168 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: Or is it kind of middle of the road? Um? 169 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: Is it taboo? All of these things are going to 170 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: have an effect on the psychological impact as well. So 171 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: there's sociology, biology, and psychology living in harmony on the 172 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: lips of all humans. Yes, and we should we should 173 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: point out that, um, that's not just for lovey dovey kissing. 174 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: That's actually for all kinds of kissing. So like when 175 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: a mommy kisses your booboo, those three factors are still 176 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: taking place, obviously, just in a non romantic nature, right, 177 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: different different contexts, different sensations, but still there's three different 178 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: aspects to all kisses, of what you're saying, no matter 179 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:15,199 Speaker 1: what kind of kiss and they all all kisses amount 180 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: to something positive. They're all meant to reinforce some sort 181 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: of positive feeling, right, like love, reassurance right, or reassurement, 182 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: reassurement or romantic budding sexuality, all those things. Right that 183 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: when you place the word budding at the beginning of sexuality, 184 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: it just makes it so much more awkward. Right, isn't 185 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: that weird budding sexual It's it's weird, well, because it 186 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: implies everything that it is, which is youth. I don't 187 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: even know what's going on. It's budding, That's what I 188 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: think at least. Um, I guess, Chuck, we've reached the 189 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: point that we should talk about when people started kissing, 190 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: and um, we should say historians, anthropologists, psychologists. No one 191 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: has any idea exactly when people started kissing because we 192 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: can't even say whether it's instinctive or learned. Right, But 193 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: the earliest accounts that we have of kissing come about 194 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: thirty years ago. Uh, and it's described. It's not that 195 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,199 Speaker 1: word isn't used obviously, um. But what people are taking 196 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: as a description of kissing appears in these ancient Vedic 197 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: texts out of India Sanskrit, Yes, I think they're in Sanskrit. 198 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 1: They called it sucking face back then it's involved into kissing. Uh. 199 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: After that it started becoming a little more prevate, prevalent 200 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: in art, in literature, that kind of thing, like in 201 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: a little text that might sound familiar with the Vatsi 202 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: Ya Yana Kama Sutrum uh a k A the Kama 203 00:11:55,600 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: Sutra a k A Penthouse letters. Yeah. Do you find 204 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: it funny that the book on sexual positions was written 205 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: three thousand years ago or more, um, sixth century a D. 206 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,080 Speaker 1: What I find funny is that no one's really improved 207 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: upon this. You know, Tome, you pretty much wrote the 208 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: definitive book on sexual positions and sexuality. I just find 209 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: it interesting. But they also cover kisses, all kinds of 210 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,719 Speaker 1: kisses in the Kamma Sutra, And that was a long 211 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: long time ago. Right, It was written standardized in the 212 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: sixth century a D. But it had been passed down 213 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: orally for centuries before that, right, Yes, And um, so 214 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: they think that probably, yeah, kissing. They they're not saying 215 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: it originated in India, but this is where the earliest 216 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: accounts are. So kissing originated in India. Well, and they 217 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: think that the anthropologists think it's a learned behavior, think 218 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: that Alexander the Great learned about it in India when 219 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: he invaded and was like, this is awesome, let me 220 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: go take this back to Greece, and that he did. 221 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: You know, I remember hearing a long time ago that 222 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: um kissing. I don't know where I used to get 223 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: these facts. I think it was the same place where 224 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: I heard that Um Genghis Khan killed one point eight 225 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: million people in an hour. But they said that kissing 226 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: uh was located only in the Mediterranean up until five 227 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: years ago, and that it is a a symbol of 228 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: our urge to cannibalize one another. Not true. I don't 229 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: think that's true at all. I don't either. So we're 230 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: in the Roman Empire now, and they kissed a lot. 231 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: They kissed as greetings, they kissed their rulers hands sign 232 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: of respect. It was out of respect. And they came 233 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: up with the three categorizations of kiss I know, Um, 234 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: the Romans really like to categorize things different types of love. Um, 235 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: this one is there's osculum, which is a kiss on 236 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: the cheek. There is besium, which is a kiss on 237 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: the lips. And then they're seeking guess this one cevolium. Yeah, yeah, 238 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: like that's that kind of kiss. Yeah, that's a deep kiss, 239 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: and it doesn't necessarily say anything about the French variety, 240 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: but um, I think that's just sort of implied, right, 241 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: And historians also suspect that UM, a lot of the 242 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: kissing traditions we still hold today in the modern era. Um, 243 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: we're founded originated in um rome, right, Like, there's a 244 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: kissing to seal a wedding, to end a wedding ceremony, 245 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: you may now kiss the bride apparently if you've made 246 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: out in front of a bunch of people, like you 247 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: were married room, Like I know, yeah, do you know 248 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: how many people would be married today? Lots of people, 249 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: a lot and divorced and married and divorced. And also, 250 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: since you said the sealed thing the sealed with a kiss, 251 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: we generally think of like a love letters seal with 252 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: the kiss. But back then they used to seal legal 253 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: documents with kisses, which is a little weird to me. Well, 254 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: it kind of points out it was weird to me too, 255 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Um, it points out how seriously people took 256 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: kissing back then it was relatively new, and like this 257 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: is a big new thing, or if if I should 258 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: say the learned behavior proponents are correct. It was relatively new, 259 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: and they're like, this is very important, it's very sacred um. 260 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: And speaking of sacred it um played a big role 261 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: in the uh, the Catholic Church, there was this thing 262 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: called the Holy kiss, right, yeah, the awesome um passes 263 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: and uh they kissed the Holy kiss. Basically they thought 264 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 1: you were transferring your spirit, well, the Holy Spirit, the 265 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: spirit of Christianity. Well, when I say the spirit, your spirit, 266 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: he said, yeah, no, the big one, okay, the Trinity, 267 00:15:54,720 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: the Dove, and uh they unfortunately, the Protestant Reformation killed 268 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: like everything else that was fun killed the Holy kiss 269 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: as well. Well, not just that it's um. It also 270 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: gave rise to articles like this because in fact, writing 271 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: a very sterile scientific article I'm kissing is a very 272 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: very Protestant thing to do. It's a very Protestant activity 273 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: to engage in. Ye, you're right, and I never thought 274 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: about that, but yeah, it went from like they the Christians, 275 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: the early Catholics kissed one another mass that was the 276 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: holy kiss um, and then the in the thirteenth century 277 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: the church was like, no, kiss this board instead, and 278 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: they call it a pack s board or sport. So 279 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: everybody kissed that, and then the Protestants came along and 280 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: they're like, no kissing. Everybody just stare forward, not even 281 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: the packs board, no pack sport. Really, there's no more kissing. 282 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: And then in Catholicism it finally just basically went to 283 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: the Pope's ring. That's what's kissed now, is the Pope's ring. 284 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: You know. I went to a church conference when I 285 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: was a teenager and they were playing music and it 286 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 1: was a big thing along type of thing, and they 287 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: said something about out. One of the guys says, you know, 288 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: don't stomp your feet to rhythmically because that's a little 289 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: too close to dancing. I remember that distinctly. Made it 290 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: a big impression on me. It was like foot loose, yeah, 291 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: and you were vow No, I started dancing. I started 292 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: Breakdancing's val oh name. Yeah, my buddy's working on that 293 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: remake right now with Zac Efron. No, he's not in it. 294 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm just supposed to. He was first tapped to play it. No, 295 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: it's a bunch of unknowns and Dennis Quaid, Okay, he's 296 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: the preacher. Uh So let's talk about a little more 297 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: non fun sterile things like the orbicularis or us. Let's 298 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 1: see that the orbicularious hours. Well, yeah, there's certain muscles 299 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: that you use when you kiss, and in a very standard, 300 00:17:55,840 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: no frills kiss, the puckered kiss. That's the obiculary us 301 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: orris at work, that facial muscle. But a few people 302 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 1: kiss like that, they did, we would not reproduce right. Um, 303 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: So there's a bunch of other muscles involved. Um, one 304 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: of which, well several of which actually tilt your head 305 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: to the side, because apparently about three two thirds of 306 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: people who kiss, so two thirds of humans who kiss 307 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 1: tilt their head to the side, to the right, to 308 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: the rights. Yeah, and apparently we develop a preference for 309 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: this in utero. Isn't that weird? Yeah, but and it 310 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: seems so natural to me. I just tilted my head 311 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: to the left, and I can't imagine going to kiss 312 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: my wife and tilting my head to the left. Well, 313 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 1: one of the problems is, since everybody's tilting to the right, 314 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: if you tilted your head to the left, you'd go 315 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: in well at the same angle too. That's so awkward. 316 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: It is awkward. Like the teeth knock. That's when you 317 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 1: know things aren't gonna work out with the teeth knock. Yeah, 318 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: if that if that's happening early on, I think it 319 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: depends on the reaction. Well, you can laugh at off 320 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: and stuff, that's huge, but you should also kind of 321 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: sort of have that chemistry. I think innately, a teeth 322 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: knock is not a deal breaker. Wow, you're I'm pretty tough. 323 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: That's why I didn't date much. That's funny. I was 324 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 1: turning left and knocking teeth. They're like, look, Leslie, I'm 325 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: I'm very sorry. Like you're a very nice girl, and um, 326 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: I like your parents a lot. But um, your teeth 327 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: brushed against mine in one of our early kisses. They 328 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: just can't go anything. That's why I got married at 329 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: like thirty six. No teeth knocking. No teeth knocking. Kid. Uh, 330 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: do you want to cover those muscles? It's a lot 331 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: of boring names. No, but I'll talk about what they 332 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: what they do. Like them. There's other other muscles move 333 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: the lips around, so instead of just puckering, you can 334 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: be like one right, right, I just use several muscles, 335 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: muscle groups. Um. There's also ones that um pull the 336 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: corner of your mouth down and and lower your lower lip. Right. 337 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: The depressor angli oris apparently, if you hear the word 338 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: oris in reference to a muscle, it's a facial muscle 339 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: that is involved in kissing right, right. And then importantly, 340 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: I would say the genial glasses, stylo glosses, palatea glosses, 341 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: and higho glosses, all those muscles operate your tongue. If 342 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: if as Tracy Wilson, who wrote this article puts it, 343 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: if you decide to use it, right, if you're from 344 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: France and that's how you kiss, those four muscles are 345 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: are going to control your tongue. I was kind of 346 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 1: surprised at first it was those four muscles. But when 347 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: you look at the tongue, it's extremely malleable, and there's 348 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: all sorts of like you know, you can make You 349 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: can roll your tongue and make clovers out of your tongue, 350 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: and it's very specific, control, controllable, a piece of your body. 351 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: Digit Is it a digit? I guess have you ever 352 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: seen a tongue outside of the mouth? Um? What do 353 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: you mean? Like a surgical removed tongue, not a human one? Gross? Yeah? 354 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 1: I saw one at the Atomic Bomb Memorial Museum in Hiroshima. 355 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: The guy whose tongue was taken out. It turned like 356 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: black because he was exposed to radio activity. And I 357 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: can't I've seen two. This was one of two tongues 358 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: that I've seen completely removed, but there's like the soft 359 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 1: palates attached. It like spreads out and back. It's really 360 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: interesting looking crazy. Yeah, you don't want to see a 361 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: tongue outside of the both well, especially when that's you know, 362 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: was bombed, right, I'm sure that didn't help. Uh So 363 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 1: obviously Josh too, what happens when you kisses you You 364 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: like everything with the brain, you have to have them 365 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: the nerves from your face sending messages to your brain 366 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: telling your brain what's going on, and that stimulates a 367 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: lot of things like dopamine and serotonin. Oxytocin is becoming 368 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: an increasingly Yeah, that's a big one important neurotransmitters. The 369 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,680 Speaker 1: deal there, Well, it creates some feelings of affection, attachment, loyalty. Um, 370 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: it's uh. They they think that love in a lot 371 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: of ways, especially intense early romantic love, resembles addiction. So 372 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of dopamine that gets released when 373 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: you see the person that you're attracted to. But then 374 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: over time, um, it can it turns into long lasting 375 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: companionship love that's toxic toacin at work. And it's also 376 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:25,639 Speaker 1: very big in milk production as well, so it um 377 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: so it that's very strange that I would have done that, 378 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: but um it's it's present. It forces milk production. It's 379 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: also transferred from mother to child through breastfeeding, so it 380 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: promotes feelings of attachment through that as well. How about 381 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 1: that adrenaline, our old buddy with the flight, fight or 382 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: flight that we haven't talked about in a while, and uh, 383 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: all sorts of natural endorphins make that euphoric feeling come alive. 384 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: And not only that, it actually increases your heart rate 385 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: and your your blood starts pumping more and you're getting 386 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: more oxygen to your body just from kissing. Even if 387 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: you're you know, let's say, lying down, you know, lying down, 388 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 1: if you're in a prone position, let's say, and you're 389 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: kissing somebody, your heart rate is still get increases if 390 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: you were like exercising, right, I think you're prepping for 391 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: physical activity relations. I think so, thank you. Should we 392 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: mention the one study and I know we looked at 393 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: this when we did the webcast about the smell. Yeah, 394 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: This fascinates me. I have I want to believe it's 395 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: correct because it's just so it's elegantly simple. Yeah, but UM, 396 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: but I think you should take it. This is this 397 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: is yours, well, it's I think it's. The situation is, um, 398 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: you can reproduce, you can reproduce with somebody who has 399 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: a different immune system. If you reproduce someone with different 400 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 1: immune qualities that you have, you will produce a more robust, 401 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: healthier child, right because your kid's gonna have your immunities 402 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: in your husband's immunities or reproductive partners immunities combined, and 403 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: apparently can sniff this out supposedly. Here's the big problem 404 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: with that, Like, what you're talking about and what this 405 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: theory is based on is pheromones. And from what I understand, 406 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: we've been shown to have an organ that at one 407 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: time was capable of detecting pheromones, but that most humans, 408 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 1: not all humans, most humans aren't capable of using this 409 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: this naso pharynxul organ any longer. We'll just call it 410 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: the appendix. Okay, that's actually supposedly where um, I think 411 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: some sort of anybodies go to basically hide out and 412 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: UM generate back up and then go back and fight 413 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: infections and cancer and things. Again, I knew they were 414 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: kind of thought they had figured out the appendix. You 415 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: don't just go removing organs willy nilly just because we 416 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: don't realize what they're for. You know, it's like knocking 417 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: Pluto off the list of planets exactly. So were you 418 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: done with your smell thing there? Though, I'm done. Okay, 419 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: it was yours and I hijacked. I apologize for that, chuck. 420 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: That's all right. Um, there's been some recent studies in 421 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: the past year that just I'll throw out a couple 422 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: of stats from the University of Albany said that of 423 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,919 Speaker 1: men and sixty six percent of women report that after 424 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: feeling attracted initially to someone, that the attraction ended after 425 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: the first kiss. Sixty of women. That's but that's weird. 426 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 1: Think about the I'm telling you know, but it's like 427 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: the immune protein idea, Like maybe these people had similar 428 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: immune proteins and they found that in the kiss, and 429 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: we're like, yeah, man, I'm looking for a more robust, 430 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: less weekly child. Right. Yeah, that's a good point. Uh. 431 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: And the same guy who did the uh, professor at 432 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: Albany that did that study said that he also thinks 433 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: that because saliva has testosterone, the fact that men prefer 434 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: like sloppy kissing and conceivably a more wet, uh saliva 435 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:03,439 Speaker 1: ridden kiss means that they are trying to transfer testosterone 436 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: into the woman's mouth to trigger a sex drive. I 437 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: don't like an awful lot of conjecture. It's an awful 438 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,919 Speaker 1: lot of conjecture. And another recent study in England, and 439 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: this was like today, I read this that apparently heterosexual 440 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: males in England don't mind kissing. Yeah, apparently it has 441 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: to do with their football culture, right. Yeah. They said 442 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 1: they interviewed a hundred and forty five college and high 443 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: school students, all of them straight as an arrow, and 444 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: that they scent they had engaged in sustained kissing with 445 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 1: another dude and didn't think it was a big deal. 446 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: And of athletes said they kissed another man compared to 447 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: eight percent of non athletes. So they theorize it starts 448 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 1: on the old soccer pitch. That's Gordon Ramsay's impact. So hey, 449 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: are you swinging Brits out there? Good? Any and Chuck. 450 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: I think that we should remain faithful to this article 451 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: and end this podcast, I'm kissing with. Some of the 452 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: diseases you can catch from kissing, go ahead. There's of 453 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: course mono nucleosis, the kissing disease mono. I've never had mono. 454 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: I have not either. That's drywall. I don't know if 455 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: that counts. Maybe we hit a stud. Uh. There's Herpes 456 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: simplex one a k A. Cold sores um meningitis, which 457 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 1: is nasty stuff, but apparently you can, uh, there's an 458 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: outside chance you can catch it kissing. H They think 459 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: that some of the bacteria that causes gastric ulcers can 460 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: be transferred from person to person via saliva and kissing. 461 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: And there is apparently one case recognized by the Centers 462 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: for Disease Control and Prevention here in Atlanta g a USA. 463 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: UM that one case of HIV has been reported that's 464 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: been transmitted through kissing. Wow, that's a downer. That's how 465 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: kissing works. Well, that means there's like some two open 466 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: sores at the same time in the mouth, right, I mean, 467 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: I guess HIV and AIDS first, Like really kind of 468 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: hit the public psyche. It was like can we sit 469 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: on toilets? We all just like shoot ourselves now, Like, 470 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do, and kissing was a big one. 471 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: And then as as time went on, I remember somebody saying, like, um, 472 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: like the the stat was, you'd have to like transfer 473 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: a gallon of saliva to have a good chance of 474 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: of um, kissing HIV or contracting HIV from somebody through kissing. 475 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: But I'm sure, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure that 476 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: that it was through like from sore to sore something 477 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: horrible like that, through kissing, like I mean one case, 478 00:28:54,960 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, all right, I'm just thinking about source kissing. 479 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: And yeah, So if you want to um read an 480 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: article read more about kissing, and possibly decided to never 481 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: kiss again after reading it, you can type in kissing 482 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: in the swing and search bar at how stuff works 483 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: dot com from Omas to the British. And since I 484 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 1: said that the British, that means it's time for a 485 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:26,959 Speaker 1: listener me. All right, are they coming? They've already been here. Uh, 486 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: this is from Sarah and it's about jealousy and like 487 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: you predicted, Josh, We've had a lot of people right 488 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: in and said I agree with Josh, and a lot 489 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: of people said, I agree with Chuck. It's healthy. It 490 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: is so with that in mind, Sarah has to say 491 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: this us I have to agree with the notion that 492 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: small amount of jealousy is not only normal but healthy. 493 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: So she's in the joshin. I'm not talking about telling 494 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: your significant other that they can't go here, can't go 495 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: talk to that person based on jealousy and calling that 496 00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: showing your love. I'm talking about having a twinge in 497 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: your gut when you see your here something that is 498 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: generally a threat. If you don't have any fear about 499 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 1: your partner ditching you, does that suggest that you don't 500 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: care if your partner leaves you, I see now? Or 501 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: does that mean you're not realistic? Maybe? Uh so, say 502 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: there's a bad day when you were a putts and 503 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: that handsome guy at the farmer's market smiles a little 504 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: too big at your wife and you see her in 505 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: fact that makes her feel pretty. If that doesn't affect 506 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: you at all, doesn't cause a little something in your gut, 507 00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: then does that also mean that you'll miss the opportunity 508 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: to think, hey, maybe I should do a little something 509 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: to make your feel pretty? This is a great point. 510 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: Is this is an excellent point, And if you do 511 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: keep missing those opportunities, maybe you'll end up taking things 512 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: for granted. I've expressed uh and appreciated very small showings 513 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: of jealousy. Husband doesn't want to dance at work party, 514 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: so I say fine and I dance without him. He 515 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: sees a good looking guy come to dance near me, 516 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: and he suddenly feels like dancing with his wife. That 517 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: is a okay with me. Or when let's say my 518 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: husband has a grocery store girlfriend, the cute checker who 519 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: smiles at him especially, I have playfully shown a little 520 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: more PDA than usual when this happens, and I know 521 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: he gets a kick out of that. So, Sarah, I'm 522 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: down with that. I just don't call that jealousy. That's jealousy. 523 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think jealousy is a palpable 524 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: fear of losing somebody, and I don't I think that 525 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: there's just that these are different degrees. That that degree 526 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: is where I draw the line. And I don't call 527 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: this jealousy. I just call it playful married shenanigans. Everyone, 528 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,320 Speaker 1: I would like to announce something, Um, Mr Charles W. 529 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: Chuck Bryant is now a convert to jealousy in a relationship. 530 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: There you go, thank you, Chuck, and that was very 531 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: nice of you to select that letter rather than rather 532 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: than one that was like Josh is wrong and here's 533 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: why that's coming up on the next one. Just kidding. 534 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Sarah, appreciate the email. It was very 535 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 1: thoughtful and well informed. 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