1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Well, as we have been discussing, China's economic activity worsened 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: in November with widespread virus outbreaks and restrictions. Joining us 3 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: now to talk about the numbers and the Karen Bloomberg's 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: Chief Asia Economics correspondent, and we had a miss on 5 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: industrial production growing just two point two percent we were 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: expecting three and a half and retail sales off by 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: almost six percent, a much sharper decline than expected and 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: probably not going to get much better, is it? Yes, 9 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: I think when you see these numbers this morning, Pool, 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: it should come as no surprise really that China is 11 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: having to pivot away from it's very strict COVID zero strategy. 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: As you mentioned, weakness across the board here, fixed usset investment, 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: industrial output, retail sales all missing analysts estimates. The big 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 1: contraction retail sales is a real standard. I mean when 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: you look through the components, it's almost negative right across 16 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: the board in terms of what people are spending are 17 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: not spending their money on. We also had numbers out 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: this morning showing that the house house prices continue continue 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: to decline, although the pace of that client slowed a 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: little bit in November from October. But you have to say, 21 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: when you take it all together, these numbers for November 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: are bad. They captured that the economy was in a 23 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: whole and just speak to why the authorities having to 24 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: make the pivot that they are. Yeah, but look at 25 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: what's happening right now. I mean you can see it 26 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: very clearly from where you are in Hong Kong on 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: the mainland. You've got these COVID cases spiking in Beijing. 28 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: There's the risk it's going to spread in in into 29 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: some industrial centers, which would even dampen industrial output. I 30 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: can only imagine the negative impact on consumer sentiment. And 31 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: we're five weeks out from the Lunar New Year holiday. 32 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this could get a lot worse before it 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: gets better. Well, this seems to be the initially reaction 34 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: from analysts. Also, they are making the point that those numbers, 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: in those numbers from November are almost ancient history. And 36 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: I were talking about a holy part tim for the economy, 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,279 Speaker 1: and that is how does it manage the exit waves? 38 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 1: The number one is the public health issue. How how 39 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: you know, how will we cope, how the hospital's cope, 40 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: what kind of fatality rate will there be? And in 41 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: that environment. To your point, people are saying, that's hardly 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: going to be sort of unleashing fertile ground for unleashing 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: animal spirits among consumers. There's a chance of ongoing destructions, 44 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: say to a factory production, because just like every other economy, 45 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: workers gets sick, they can't turn up. Throw in that 46 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: disruptions to your services sector as well, university, school, shopping 47 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: shops and everything else. So the point is the coming 48 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: months are going to be choppy until we see how 49 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: China can navigate this. We do. There's an unusual factor 50 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: with channing that we're going to this massive annual holiday 51 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: Lunar New yor holiday coming up in the middle of January. 52 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: That's obviously going to be huge test for the authorities 53 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: in terms of are they really now going to live 54 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: with this disease, have they adjusted or will they roll 55 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: back and try and put on some restrictions on travel 56 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: and the like. So I think the near term picture 57 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: looking pretty choppy. Most people saying hang on until maybe 58 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: second quarter to get a clearer handle on where the 59 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: economy is going. Yeah, this whole environment, it seems right 60 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: for policy support, what are we anticipating him? Well, we 61 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: did have the cential Bank in the market this morning. 62 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: They actually put extra money into the system. That's being 63 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: interpreted really as just trying to calm down a nervous 64 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: credit market, and you know's ongoing turmoil and challenge credit 65 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: markets linked to the property sector. So they've tipped in 66 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: some extra money there to calm down those borrowing costso spreads. 67 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: But they did not lower their interest rate this morning, 68 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 1: the Central Bank. And that's because there's a view interest 69 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: rates are already low enough. It's not it's not lower 70 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: interest rates that China needs right now. It's probably you know, 71 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: a much more a much more far reaching vaccination campaign. 72 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: I think that the authorities are preaching every day about 73 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: the pressures on the economy, so we will see ongoing 74 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: public support. There will be more public money coming. The 75 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: survey jobless rate this morning isn't the perfect read of 76 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: China's labor market, but it ticked up, and you have 77 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: to look at the direction, so you can be sure 78 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: the authorities will respond to that. So I would say 79 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: keep it on the physical side of it. We do. 80 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: We do have a very important meeting of economic confessions 81 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: in Beijing this week, and they're expected to set out 82 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: the economic program for the year ahead. We won't get 83 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: a read out this week, but you can be sure 84 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: supporting the economy would be a big part of that. 85 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: And thank you so much. It's always a pleasure. Uh. 86 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: And occurring there is Bloomberg's chief Asia economics correspondent joining 87 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: us from Hong Kong, unpacking the weak economic data that 88 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: we had both for industrial production and retail sales. This 89 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg