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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Trump asks when did I do

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Speaker 1: that about his promise to send Americans two thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: tare of checks. We have such a great show for

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Speaker 1: you today. Democracy Doctor's own Mark Eliah stops by to

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Speaker 1: explain to us how he's fighting back against Trump rigging

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Speaker 1: the midterms. Then we'll talk to Representative Roe Conna about

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Speaker 1: how he's trying to force the release of the Epstein

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Speaker 1: files to get around Attorney General Bonnie substruction. But first

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Speaker 1: the news.

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Speaker 2: OLLI, there's a fast growing movement in this country. And

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Speaker 2: often with movements, the problem is is people are trying

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Speaker 2: to create them and there's no demand for the movement,

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Speaker 2: whereas impeaching Christy Nome is probably the easiest movement for

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Speaker 2: a Democratic congress person to get behind. So I wonder

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Speaker 2: why we're only at fifty right now.

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Speaker 1: You're in such a cranky mood.

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Speaker 2: This is a cranky This is watching what has happened

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Speaker 2: this week and seeing a very easy win.

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Speaker 1: It does seem like an easy win, all right, So

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Speaker 1: here's the deal. Impeaching Christine Nome does not seem like

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Speaker 1: a heavy lift. We're seeing ice create chaos in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting actually, the people who are behind this

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Speaker 1: impeachment effort because al Greenlake has never met an impeachment.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't like, right, didn't you try to impeach Trump

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Speaker 1: like four times?

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Speaker 2: Like a week into the presidency? Yeah, Like it was

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Speaker 2: the week after the speech, not the State of the Union,

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Speaker 2: but the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for his inauguration the first time, remember that. So

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Speaker 1: al Green and Haley Stevens, you'll remember, is having a

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Speaker 1: difficult time, but she's trying to She's one of the

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Speaker 1: three Democrats running for Senate in this state of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: So you can see there's a certain thirstiness with this crew. Now,

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Speaker 1: I think that this should be a mainstream position. I

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Speaker 1: think abolish Eye should be a centrist position, because we're

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Speaker 1: seeing ice do things that we wouldn't let the police do,

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Speaker 1: and the police are actually trained, we wouldn't let the

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Speaker 1: army do to other people. I mean, this is you

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Speaker 1: know we saw last week. I need not remind you

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Speaker 1: that Renee Good was shot in the face three times

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Speaker 1: Since then, we've seen some of the really the most

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Speaker 1: disgusting members of this administration Jade Vance, Greg Bovino or

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Speaker 1: as we like to call him, Blovino, and Tom Cava

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Speaker 1: bag Holman all making some of the most appalling excuses

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Speaker 1: for why they murdered this woman. In my mind, it

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Speaker 1: seems very clear that abolish ice is a centrist, mainstream position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yesterday, buried in some of the many, many,

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Speaker 2: many moving pieces of our news, Elizabeth Warren staked out

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Speaker 2: a very, very big position in the Democrat Party of

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Speaker 2: moving towards populism and making her case for that's what

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Speaker 2: can win us the midterms. I was very impressed by

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Speaker 2: my heart emoji eyes with Elizabeth Warren again yesterday. I

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Speaker 2: thought she made some very good points about where her

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Speaker 2: and James Carville are finding common ground. She also railed

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Speaker 2: against everyone's least favorite website owner, Reet Hoffman.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump is also a fan of Elizabeth Warren because

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Speaker 1: he can't her to ask her about affordability. She's right

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, at this moment there's so much going on,

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Speaker 1: but clearly voters want that and things will get more

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Speaker 1: affordable if you undo the tariffs, right, that would be

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Speaker 1: a quick way to make everything five ten fifteen percent cheaper.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the current moment we're in. The reason why

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Speaker 1: not rocket scions. We are here because a lot of

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Speaker 1: stupid put us here. Certainly we need an affordability plan,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I do think it's funny that Trump gets

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Speaker 2: and it seems like from the tone that she struck

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Speaker 1: The reason she went after Reid Hoffman, I think is important.

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Speaker 1: He donated seven million dollars to Kamal Harris and then

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Speaker 1: spent much of the campaign pressuring her to fire Lena

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Speaker 1: this idea that billionaires they're just obsessed with not having

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Speaker 1: went after Kristen Cinema, a Democrat turned lobbyist for data farms,

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Speaker 2: So one of mister Trump's favorite things to do is

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Speaker 2: do the indefensible. He's done it again with going after

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Speaker 2: Jerome Powell. You'll be shocked to hear that this is

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Speaker 1: Well, you know what's really interesting, and I would like

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Speaker 1: to credit my friend Ay Marlborough with this. He talked

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Speaker 1: up and down saying you can't fire him. Last week,

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Speaker 1: an unarmed mother got shot in the phase three times. Okay,

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Speaker 1: three times. Tom Tillis did not say a word, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just think again. You know, we talk about

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Speaker 1: just think it's interesting to see the Republicans who are

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Speaker 2: So we have an interesting distraction from the Epstein Files

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Speaker 2: where James Comer, head of Oversight, is trying to get

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Speaker 1: You know, I have to tell you I love James

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Speaker 1: Comber because he's so dumb. He is one of my

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Speaker 1: dumb guy. Okay, so James Comer. First of all, no

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Speaker 1: Well, I really I could care less. Right, he's not president,

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Speaker 1: He's not anything like put him in jail. Fine. The

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton. I really don't. I think that it is

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Speaker 1: to you, James Comer.

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Speaker 3: I hope it works.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I hope when the other ninety nine percent

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Speaker 1: Democracy Docket. Welcome back, Mark, Thanks for having me. You

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Speaker 1: and I were texting and you're like the voting machine and.

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Speaker 4: Last people don't realize you and I we have a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're like the voting machines. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: talk about voting machines. Trump has said. Now, one of

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Speaker 4: He basically was asked, do you regret not right seizing

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Speaker 4: the funny, and he says he does, Like that's declarative.

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Speaker 4: And then then there is kind of this very awkwardly

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six about whether the National Guard is up

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Speaker 1: It certainly does. You know, historically Trump has not really

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Speaker 1: given a fuck about other Republicans. So the question is,

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Speaker 1: about this election. He has said as much. But it

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Speaker 1: would mean, you know, elections are at the state level,

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Speaker 4: people who are people like Liz Cheney right who are

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Speaker 4: not Crystal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a really good point, and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it because a lot of times,

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Speaker 1: like a lot of the sort of really sketchy things

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Speaker 1: that our government has done historically have been because it's

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Speaker 1: been an emergency, right, there have been emergency war powers,

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Speaker 1: and that is a really good way to get Congress

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Speaker 1: to go along with a lot of shit. But here

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Speaker 1: we have a situation where Congress has already basically rendered

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Speaker 1: themselves completely is a non end today. So now we

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Speaker 1: have a Congress that doesn't do anything that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: doesn't really respect at all, and we have a slow

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Speaker 1: moving crisis which is now of his own making.

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Speaker 4: Right, and I want to highlight a part of that

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Speaker 4: that I'm not sure it gets highlighted enough that makes

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Speaker 4: this time particularly dangerous. We all look back at the

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Speaker 4: McCarthy era and realize how dangerous the rhetoric was, the

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Speaker 4: criminal indictments, the purging of the US government, the targeting

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Speaker 4: of people's livelihoods. I mean, it was terrible in many,

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Speaker 4: many respects, but it was terrible in many ways in

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Speaker 4: the hands of Congress and the executive creditor. And what

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Speaker 4: that meant is that when Congress was ready to break,

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Speaker 4: it broke, and it broke McCarthyism. In other words, there

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Speaker 4: was a check on McCarthyism, which came too late, was insufficient.

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Speaker 4: But essentially, when public sentiment came up through the grassroots

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Speaker 4: into members of Congress, McCarthyism broke right. McCarthy winds up

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Speaker 4: becoming a discredited figure. The problem with the current situation

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Speaker 4: is there is no congressional check on this. As you say,

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Speaker 4: it's not like they're not like a coequal branch, you know,

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Speaker 4: involved in the policy. They're just sitting on the sideline,

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Speaker 4: and so there is nothing and they think, you know,

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Speaker 4: I got into this a little bit on Nicole Wallace

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Speaker 4: Show the other day because you know, Tim Millerroy Adore

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Speaker 4: and really quite like you know his podcast. He was saying, well,

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Speaker 4: you know, Donald Trump is weaker because Donald Trump's popularity

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Speaker 4: is down and what he's doing is not you know,

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Speaker 4: it looks bad in the eyes of the public, you know,

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Speaker 4: and people have sympathy with the protesters. And I said, yeah,

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Speaker 4: but that assumes that there is a popular will check

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Speaker 4: on Donald Trump. You know, he's not going to run

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Speaker 4: for reelection, and he's going to try to rig the

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Speaker 4: outcome of the midterms. And in some ways, Molly, what

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Speaker 4: you're getting at is the fact that Congress is not

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Speaker 4: involved in this takes away a check, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean, Like they're just like they're not acting as

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Speaker 4: any kind of break on it because they're just not

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Speaker 4: like not involved in it.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'll be interested to see because this week

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Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot of debate about the

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Speaker 1: War Powers Act. Right, there's some degree right, five sanators

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden are like you're not allowed to

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Speaker 1: invade Greenland. There's every thought in the world that Trump

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Speaker 1: does not have a fuck, right, and you have Ross

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Speaker 1: vaugh who has basically taken the power of the purse

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Speaker 1: away from Congress. So there's every thought that this will

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Speaker 1: mean nothing and be a zero. But I'll be curious

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Speaker 1: to see how Congress tries to take its power back

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Speaker 1: and if that works in any which way. I don't

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Speaker 1: think they can at this point.

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Speaker 4: Right, and again, to sort of juxtapose to historical eras

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Speaker 4: in the nineteen forties and fifties and sixties, I mean,

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Speaker 4: till relatively recently, Congress was very concerned with its own prerogatives.

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Speaker 4: It might support Joe McCarthy, but if it decided it

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Speaker 4: didn't support Joe McCarthy, it was going to decide it

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Speaker 4: didn't support Joe McCarthy. In other words, it was its own.

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Speaker 4: The House and Senate were their own power bases. And

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Speaker 4: the problem now is that under Republican leadership in the

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Speaker 4: thousand and Senate, there are no congressional progatives. They have

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Speaker 4: seeded to Donald Trump everything. I mean, think about it, Molly.

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Speaker 4: They've given him the spending power, they've given him the

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Speaker 4: taxing power, right are just attacks. They've given him the

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Speaker 4: war powers power, they've given him law enforcement power throughout

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Speaker 4: the country like like, there's nothing. There's no there's nothing

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Speaker 4: that they don't do oversight over the administration, right, there's

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Speaker 4: nothing that they claim as uniquely theirs. And so it's

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Speaker 4: hard to see even if you get a handful of

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Speaker 4: senators who agree with Democrats for the Republicans agree with Democrats,

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Speaker 4: that it's gonna it's not. It's not going to mean

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Speaker 4: that John Thune has reclaimed congressional power from the White House.

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Speaker 1: Now they have billions and billions of dollars that they

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Speaker 1: have given to a secret police force.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the worst part of this, Molly. I mean,

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Speaker 4: the worst part of this is that we are only

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Speaker 4: in the first year of his administration and the absolute

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Speaker 4: avalanche of money, the absolute blank check that is going

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Speaker 4: to flow into this agency has only just started. Like

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Speaker 4: you say, he is the you know, I called it

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Speaker 4: a powamilitary force. You call it his own police force

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Speaker 4: or whatever it is. It's going to get dramatically bigger,

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Speaker 4: dramatically bigger.

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Speaker 1: The good news is all these people are corrupt and stealing.

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Speaker 1: The bad news is I mean, that's the one. You know,

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Speaker 1: It's like the Russian Army when they rolled out the

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Speaker 1: tanks and they were all shitty because everyone had been

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Speaker 1: stealing all the money that was supposed to go to

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Speaker 1: the army. That's the one piece of good, the two

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Speaker 1: things that American democracy has going for it. These people

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Speaker 1: are not very smart and these people are very corrupt.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: The other question that I have for you is whether

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Speaker 4: the Jerome poalll thing makes the rich low tax? Uh,

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Speaker 4: you know Trump folks think twice and maybe does that

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Speaker 4: act as some kind of check.

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Speaker 1: That's gonna be a big question because the Jerome Pal

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Speaker 1: stuff it certainly has. My question will be Now, I

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Speaker 1: don't think Jerome Pal leaves.

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Speaker 4: No, but you're fancy people. They like Jerome Pal.

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Speaker 1: Everybody likes Jerome Pal. I liked you even though I

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Speaker 1: liked Jerome.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, I agree. But I'm saying that the Trump,

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Speaker 4: the Trump supporters.

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Speaker 1: Right, those people, and you saw that Scott Bessen reported.

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Speaker 1: Scott Beson was like Donald Trump made us a huge mess.

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Speaker 1: So I think you're going to see more of those

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Speaker 1: people head on to team Besson and team drome Pal.

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Speaker 1: But the problem for all of us is those people

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Speaker 1: are still fine with it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they won't just switch sides entirely.

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Speaker 1: Let's see what happens. I think this may have stopped

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Speaker 1: him from doing it. But like the question of why

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Speaker 1: all of these senators were so fast to get on

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Speaker 1: the Jerome pal thing but so slow to get on

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Speaker 1: that you can't shoot people on the face in the

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Speaker 1: face thing, it sort of shows us where we are

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Speaker 1: as a country. Yeah, thank you, Mark. Let's hope not

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Speaker 1: to be in GIMO and do this again very soon.

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Speaker 4: You and I will keep texting in the meantime until

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Speaker 4: the next time you invite me back.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Rocanna represents California's seventeenth district. Welcome back to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 3: Representative Rocanna, thank you appreciate being on.

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk about this special master that

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Speaker 1: you and Thomas Massey are working on. I want you

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Speaker 1: to explain to us. This is about the Epstein files.

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Speaker 1: The dj is supposed to release this information, they're bound

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Speaker 1: to by law. We now see they've only released about

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Speaker 1: one percent of it. So explain to us how this

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Speaker 1: special master plan is a workaround.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Massey and I filed an a Meekas brief with

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Speaker 3: the Southern District of New York Judge and Obama appointed

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Speaker 3: Judge jun Ja Engelmeyer. He has ordered the release all

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Speaker 3: of these files. Pam Bondi has said to him, well,

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Speaker 3: we still are sitting on millions of documents. We're trying

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Speaker 3: to produce these files. So what we said is, Judge,

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Speaker 3: can you order a special master. We'll make sure that

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Speaker 3: all the files get released, that we get the witness

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Speaker 3: statements from the survivors where they name other rich and

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Speaker 3: powerful men who raped them, that we get the prosecution

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Speaker 3: memo to understand why Epstein was in charge. Can you

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Speaker 3: ensure that we get all these files and you can

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Speaker 3: make sure that they're not engaged in excessive redactions. The

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Speaker 3: good news is just today to break some news that

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Speaker 3: Judge actually ordered briefings on our amigas brief He said

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Speaker 3: he wants to understand whether the Department of Justice leaks

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Speaker 3: this is a reasonable idea, whether he should appoint a

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Speaker 3: special master, and he's asked both Thomas Mansey and I

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Speaker 3: are attorney representing US and the Department of Justice, to

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Speaker 3: do briefings and he's going to rule in January. So

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Speaker 3: this is significants progress. So that if we could get

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Speaker 3: a judge to actually order the release of these files.

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Speaker 1: Why would this work when other things happen.

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Speaker 3: Well, we haven't escalated this far right. First of all,

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Speaker 3: it was just a trup Trump campaign promise, so that

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Speaker 3: he was under no obligation to release I mean, he

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Speaker 3: promised the country, but that people pray promises all the

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Speaker 3: time politicians. Then we passed the law. Now they have

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Speaker 3: released some things, but it's less than one percent. What

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Speaker 3: did they release that was significant? We now know that

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Speaker 3: Maria complained to the FBI nineteen ninety six and was

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Speaker 3: ignored and was called the liar for thirty years. Well,

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Speaker 3: it turns out that this whole thing could have been

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Speaker 3: avoided if she was listened to. We know they're co conspirators.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't just Epstein and Maxwell. Through the documents, we

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Speaker 3: know Donald Trump was on Epstein's plane, even though he

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Speaker 3: lied about it throughout the twenty twenty four campaign. But

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Speaker 3: there are many millions of documents, by their own admission,

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Speaker 3: that are left to go. The issue here is that

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Speaker 3: they're claiming they're complying with the law. We're saying obviously

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Speaker 3: they're not. So what happens. Who resolves? Who decides who

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Speaker 3: interprets the law? It's the federal judiciary, and the federal

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Speaker 3: judiciary so far has not weighed in. It would be

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Speaker 3: an enormous step forward if this federal judge that says

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Speaker 3: you are violenting the lawyer, here's what you're required to do,

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Speaker 3: and then that would raise the stakes immensely because right

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Speaker 3: now it's the Department of Justice deciding what they think

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Speaker 3: is compliance. No federal judges actually ever ruled on this.

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Speaker 1: Could this be something that would go up to the

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Speaker 1: Supreme courterer?

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Speaker 3: Now, I mean theoretically you can, but I would be

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Speaker 3: shocked if an appella, yeah, I alone, got alone. The

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Speaker 3: Supreme Court would overturn the district court's determination of how

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Speaker 3: to comply with the law unless there was some egregious error.

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Speaker 3: I guess is that this would be the judge's ruling

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Speaker 3: would be final because this is not some big constitutional principle.

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Speaker 3: This is pretty standard. There's a law that was passed

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Speaker 3: that the Donald Trump signed that was overwhelming the past

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Speaker 3: the House and Senate. It wasn't really a controversial law

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Speaker 3: actually by the end of it, and they judges simply say,

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Speaker 3: here's how I think this law needs to be interpreted,

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Speaker 3: so you could comply with it. I suppose the DLJ

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Speaker 3: could appeal, but my view is that the judge would

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Speaker 3: be pretty pretty decisive. Now the judge, you know, we

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Speaker 3: don't know if the judge will intervene with a special

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Speaker 3: Master or order, and this thing may continue in terms

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Speaker 3: of a fight. But if if the judge were to

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Speaker 3: do that, that would be a significant victory.

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Speaker 1: Right, and it would mean that the Special Master just

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Speaker 1: explained to me the mechanism they would be able to

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Speaker 1: go to the DOJ.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, what we've recommend is the judge a point

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Speaker 3: of special master who basically would then see all the files,

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Speaker 3: see what the DJ has, all these millions of documents,

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Speaker 3: and then make the ultimate determination with a team of

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Speaker 3: what they need to release and what they can keep

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Speaker 3: through reduction and what they're not obligated to release based

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Speaker 3: on the law. But it wouldn't be then the DOJ

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Speaker 3: doing it. It wouldn't be condrastoring it. It would be a judge,

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Speaker 3: a point in person. That's the remedy we proposed. Of course,

653
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Speaker 3: as possible, the judge could come up with some other remedy.

654
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Speaker 3: Judge could say I don't want a special Master, but

655
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Speaker 3: I'm going to order the release of these documents. For example,

656
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Speaker 3: we've asked very specifically the witnesses have told the FBI

657
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Speaker 3: agents and three zero two statements with the other men

658
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Speaker 3: are We've I asked for those documents. We've asked for

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Speaker 3: the prosecution memorandum about why Epstein was not charged with

660
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Speaker 3: the other accounts. The judge could say, I agree that

661
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Speaker 3: these are the documents that must be released under the

662
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Speaker 3: Epstein Transparency Act. So one question is will you appillion

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Speaker 3: a special master and might do that's ideal? The other

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Speaker 3: question is will he give more clarification into what the

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Speaker 3: law requires to do?

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Speaker 1: You really have a certain amount of rapport with the victims.

667
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: You spent a lot of time talking to them, so

668
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Speaker 1: you know what they know. So they know a lot

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Speaker 1: of the stuff that the DOJ is not releasing.

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Speaker 3: They do, and they've told the DOJ, the FBI agents

671
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Speaker 3: much of this information. They have named these rich and

672
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Speaker 3: powerful men and FBI interviews. They're in those statements, and

673
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Speaker 3: that's the information of the American people want to know.

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Speaker 3: Why do we care? We want to know who were

675
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: these powerful bankers, lawyers, politicians who went to this island

676
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 3: where girls were raped, where girls were abused, who engaged

677
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: in sex trafficking of miners? Who were they? Why did

678
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Speaker 3: they get away with this? Why did they never suffer

679
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 3: the consequences? Well, of course the survivors know that, and

680
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 3: they've named these people and they're in these way. They've

681
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 3: told us where the names are. Now you can't expect

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Speaker 3: them to stand out in front of the Capitol or

683
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 3: at a press conference and name people when they may

684
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Speaker 3: be subject to defamation suits and they will be subject

685
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Speaker 3: to harassment. But they've done everything short of that. They've

686
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Speaker 3: told us where those names already are and how we

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Speaker 3: get them. And so to me, it's not about the

688
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Speaker 3: quantity of what they're releasing. It's not even about the

689
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Speaker 3: timing of what they're releasing. Is whether they will release

690
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 3: the relevant information or whether we'll continue to protect the

691
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Speaker 3: Epstein class of it. Right now, they're protecting rich and

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Speaker 3: powerful people who did heinous things.

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Speaker 1: And you actually answered the next question I was going

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Speaker 1: to ask you, which is Marjorie Taylor Green had talked

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Speaker 1: about reading a list of the men who did this

696
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Speaker 1: from the floor. Is that the reason why this is

697
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Speaker 1: not happening. Obviously, Marjorie Taylor Green is not in Congress anymore,

698
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: but there are any number of members of Congress who

699
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Speaker 1: could read this list of men on the floor. Why

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Speaker 1: is that not happening.

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Speaker 3: Because it still puts some of the survivors every It

702
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Speaker 3: doesn't put the Member at Congress at risk. This speech

703
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Speaker 3: and debate immunity. So if I went on the floor

704
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Speaker 3: and read the names, it wouldn't put me at risk.

705
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Speaker 3: But it's not the best way of doing it because

706
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Speaker 3: they're going to be people saying, well, is he just

707
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Speaker 3: doing it because he's a Democrat? Is he doing it

708
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Speaker 3: for his political reasons? I don't know. It's sort of

709
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Speaker 3: third hand. I'd be reading names that someone would end me,

710
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Speaker 3: and I'd be putting the person at rid if it

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Speaker 3: comes out that they provided me the names that then

712
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Speaker 3: I read. So they may not be able to sue me,

713
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Speaker 3: but they can still sue the survivors. Some of the

714
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Speaker 3: survivors are brave enough that they're willing to take that

715
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Speaker 3: kind of a risk, But after all they've been through.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this country should depend on them today

717
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: more risk, both to their safety and to their reputations.

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Speaker 3: I think that we should just release the files where

719
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Speaker 3: the information is there.

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Speaker 1: Right. I want to move on to Ice, because we

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Speaker 1: have Ice. They are terrorizing our cities, They're raiding apartment

722
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Speaker 1: buildings in Minneapolis. I mean, the videos are horrifying. They

723
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Speaker 1: shot a young mother in the phase three times. Trump

724
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Speaker 1: World is defending. You have something you're trying to pass,

725
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Speaker 1: talk to us about it. There are parts of it

726
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Speaker 1: that just talk us through what you want to do.

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Speaker 3: Well. First of all, the officer, the ice officer who

728
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Speaker 3: shot the thirty seven year old mother and left the

729
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Speaker 3: six year old boy in orph a needces to be

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Speaker 3: prosecuted and arrested. I mean, that is outrageous that someone

731
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Speaker 3: would shoot to death a mother who even if you

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Speaker 3: think that she was acting inappropriately in terms of disrupting

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Speaker 3: law enforcement, do you think that that should be the

734
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Speaker 3: capital punishment you think she should have been shot to death.

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Speaker 3: That we watched the video, she's turning the car away

736
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Speaker 3: from the ice agent, and he's still shooting her and

737
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Speaker 3: not shooting to stop the car, not shooting the tires,

738
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Speaker 3: not shooting the car, shooting her at point blank. That

739
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 3: needs to go to trial, and I obviously he's entitled

740
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Speaker 3: due process, and if he wants to argue that it

741
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Speaker 3: was in safety and that he used force as the

742
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Speaker 3: last resort, he can make that argument, but it needs

743
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Speaker 3: to be tried saying with Jasmine Crockett and I have

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Speaker 3: a bill to make sure that ICE is under the

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Speaker 3: oversight of Justice Department and not rogue that they are

746
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Speaker 3: wearing not wearing masks, that they're visibly identified. The agency

747
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Speaker 3: needs to be restructured. Right now it's under Christine No

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Speaker 3: and they don't have any de escalation, they don't have

749
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Speaker 3: any oversight. It needs to be under Justice like it

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Speaker 3: was prior to nine to eleven, and then the agency

751
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Speaker 3: was put under Homeland Security. And the problem is right

752
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Speaker 3: now that there's no accountability.

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Speaker 1: Support impeachment of GNOME because obviously they just sent more

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Speaker 1: people into Minnesota. They're clearly just acting out on some

755
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Speaker 1: kind of trend. I mean, do you think, because it

756
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Speaker 1: does seem like the numbers in the House are so

757
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: slim for Republicans that in impeachment and it might be

758
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Speaker 1: the only way you get any kind of oversight because

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Speaker 1: she may not testify otherwise.

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Speaker 3: It's definitely worth beginning and exploring Delia Ramirez, as Leonard

761
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 3: from a courageous member in Chicago told you we had

762
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Speaker 3: going to Jamie Raskin at House Judiciary and at least

763
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Speaker 3: opening up the inquiry for what it would take to impeach.

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Speaker 3: But I for remind you you have a rogue ICE

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Speaker 3: agency that's not following human rights or constitutional rights, and

766
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Speaker 3: that Christine has failed to uphold basic standards of decency.

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Speaker 3: Plus I was at a nice detention facility, which I'm

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Speaker 3: detailed in a lengthy post and lengthy interview with the

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Speaker 3: kqed that I mean, people weren't didn't have food, rocks,

770
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Speaker 3: they had rocks in their food, They didn't have medical care.

771
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Speaker 3: They were shivering at night because they didn't have long clothes,

772
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Speaker 3: they didn't get the sunlight more than one hour day.

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Speaker 3: They were being treated as animals or murderers when they

774
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Speaker 3: simply were here in a way that was undocumented. And

775
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: some of them wanted to leave for voluntary deportation, they

776
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 3: weren't being able to leave. So there's the separate isshow

777
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Speaker 3: of our total failure of oversight and the conditions of

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Speaker 3: the detainees.

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Speaker 1: Do they have legal remedies? I mean, can they sue ICE?

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Speaker 1: I mean, can they sue the Trump government? Can they

781
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Speaker 1: soe Christino?

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Speaker 3: Well, they're not guaranteed a lawyer. They are provided through

783
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Speaker 3: some nonprofits a lawyer, but I suppose they could. But

784
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Speaker 3: they have no power. They don't have the money, the

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Speaker 3: resources to be able to do it.

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Speaker 1: The family of Renee God, I mean they can certainly sue.

787
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Speaker 3: The family can. Yeah. Now, of course, the ICE agents

788
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: have qualified immunity, which means that they protect them as

789
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Speaker 3: they do. I'm almost certain I know the police officers

790
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: have qualified immunity. I'm almost certain that ICE agents of

791
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: it too, but that someone can look up the law

792
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Speaker 3: which protects them from civil suits.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like, I don't know how things

794
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Speaker 1: have spiraled so out of control so quickly, and the

795
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: public sentiment is not there with.

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Speaker 3: Trump, No, I mean he's losing people. People wanted to

797
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: secure border. They didn't want thugs shooting American citizens or

798
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 3: ripping people away from their families and harassing them and

799
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Speaker 3: making them just pulling them out of the streets. So

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Speaker 3: he's created fear, and that's their intent. That's what Stephen

801
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: Miller wanted to do. He wants to create fear so

802
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Speaker 3: that less immigrants come to the United States of America.

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Speaker 1: So Mike Johnson has a very small majority, really almost

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Speaker 1: non Is there any effort being made to flip some

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Speaker 1: of these like even a Thomas Massey do you think

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Speaker 1: the people are talking to Republicans. I mean some of

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Speaker 1: these You had seventeen Republicans vote last week on this

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Speaker 1: Obamacare credit expansion or CR or whatever. I mean, that

809
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Speaker 1: is a navigant number. You get even one or two,

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Speaker 1: I mean you could flip the House.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, hiqeen, Jeffrey's deserters a lot of credit.

812
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Speaker 3: He doesn't get enough credit for what he pulled off.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know there were blow there's critics of him,

814
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Speaker 3: but he get the House books unified and the House

815
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Speaker 3: Republicans bent to us. They have agreed and voted for

816
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Speaker 3: extension of healthcare tax art indefinitely. And that kind of

817
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,479
Speaker 3: leadership like we've got on Epstein, is forcing the House

818
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Speaker 3: to bend to our will even though it's a Republican House. Now,

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Speaker 3: do I think there is a possibility of one or

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Speaker 3: two defections or a situation where Hackem becomes speaker before

821
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Speaker 3: the end of the year. It's unlikely, but it's possible

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Speaker 3: and we're working on it. But even if he doesn't

823
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Speaker 3: become speaker, there is a possibility that there are many

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Speaker 3: issues where we through the discharge petition, actually win the vote.

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Speaker 3: He was telling me this morning or this afternoon that

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Speaker 3: in the last thirty years, people haven't done what we did,

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Speaker 3: which has passed three discharge petitions, the Epstein discharge petition,

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Speaker 3: a discharge petition on paying workers' fair wages, and the

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Speaker 3: healthcare distrust petition. It hadn't been done in thirty years

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Speaker 3: to have these three distrust petitions passed like that.

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Speaker 1: And you see a lot of members like Nancy Mays

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Speaker 1: and even Lauren Boepert where they are breaking with Mike Johnson.

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Speaker 1: And perhaps that's because there are no women who I mean,

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Speaker 1: you just have one committee that's headed by a woman.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the sexism is real. Are you seeing that sexism?

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Speaker 3: The sexism is real, The sense of being bullied by

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump Israel. And I do think when history looks

838
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 3: at it, they'll see that Epstein Transparenciac passing is a

839
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Speaker 3: turning point in the Trump era, that what Bessie and

840
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Speaker 3: I ultimately did was for survivors and justice for survivors,

841
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Speaker 3: but had a historic impact in showing that these Republicans

842
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Speaker 3: that they could stand up to Donald Trump, threatened to

843
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: vote against him, vote for my bill, and that ultimately

844
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Speaker 3: they would not just survive but win that Donald Trump

845
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 3: would then flip his position and endorse their position, and

846
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 3: that it would the Senate would do the same, and

847
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: that they can live to tell about it, and actually

848
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: got the better of Trump. And ever since that we

849
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: saw an explosion of discharged positions. We've seen people suddenly

850
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: find more of their courage, more of their voice, and

851
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: willing to speak out against Donald Trump. And so something

852
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: snapped with that that reminded Republicans that there was going

853
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 3: to be life after Donald Trump for their political careers

854
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: and also reminded them that Donald Trump's not as powerful

855
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Speaker 3: as his barkiss.

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Speaker 1: Marjorie Taylor Green, though, did leave the house. Do you

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Speaker 1: think there was a chance to flip her? Why do

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Speaker 1: you think she just left so quickly because she had

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Speaker 1: sort of had a real come to Jesus moment in

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Speaker 1: a way.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that she was so disappointed. I mean, look,

862
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Speaker 3: she was for Donald Trump, and Donald Trump came down

863
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Speaker 3: the escalator. She was for Donald Trump and Donald Trump

864
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Speaker 3: who was saying stop the steal. She was for Donald

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Speaker 3: Trump when he was going to be a third term, right,

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Speaker 3: she stood with him at every time that he had

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Speaker 3: other people counted him out. Now, if you're so loyal

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Speaker 3: to someone, and then you're saying, mister pre and I'm

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Speaker 3: still with you, but just meet with the survivors and

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Speaker 3: they aren't. That President's clung your oaks and clung you

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Speaker 3: all these names and threatening the primary because you're standing

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Speaker 3: with survivors as sexual assault. I think it's very disillusioning,

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Speaker 3: and I think she sort of the lost respect not

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Speaker 3: just for the president but for the well that he represented.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I think she would have sold and

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Speaker 3: won her primary challenge, but she probably just thinking thought

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Speaker 3: it wasn't worth it to fight people in her own party,

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Speaker 3: to fight her own speaker, to find her own president,

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Speaker 3: when she had been so loyal to the mega base. Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't think she would have become a Democrat, but

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Speaker 3: I do think that she would have cooperated on some

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Speaker 3: key issues. We were working together on Medicare for all

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Speaker 3: and some kind of national health insurance. It's a loss.

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Speaker 3: This country needs more independent minded people, and they need

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Speaker 3: more people willing to buck the system, and she certainly

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Speaker 3: had become that way. It's unfortunate that she won't be

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Speaker 3: here to help with some of that bipartisan work.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to talk for two seconds about redistricting.

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Speaker 1: It seems like Donald Trump may have really messed himself

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Speaker 1: up here, which is one of the delightful stories in California.

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Speaker 1: Just talk me through what when you look at the

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Speaker 1: mid terms, how redistricting is going to shape the map.

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Speaker 3: Well, we did a great job in California. States is

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Speaker 3: all off grid and the Speaker, Palosi, the governor, others,

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Speaker 3: we were unified. We're going to pick up hopefully five

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Speaker 3: seats in California because of that. That those maps, and

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Speaker 3: we've stemmed the damage in other places like Indiana where

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Speaker 3: red states have said no down, Trump, We're not going

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Speaker 3: to do your bidding. At this point. I don't want

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Speaker 3: to Jinxi Miley, but I think twenty twenty five, thirty

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Speaker 3: seats are all in play. I mean, I think this

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Speaker 3: is going to be a fundamental realignment in American politics

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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight. People are tired,

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Speaker 3: they're embarrassed, they're exhausted, They want a way forward. They

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Speaker 3: know that Donald Trump isn't focused on prices. Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: knows he's not focused on prices. That's why he's every

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Speaker 3: day calling up Elizabeth Warren and saying what more can

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Speaker 3: I do in the affordability agenda, But it's rhetorical, not substantive,

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Speaker 3: and mission that he does that he's in trouble. I

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Speaker 3: believe we're going to have a major reenlignment in American politics.

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Speaker 1: Bro, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, no moment.

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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon.

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Speaker 2: This is a pretty crazy headline. Six prosecutors quit over

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Speaker 2: pushed to investigate ice shootings. Victim's widow like I need

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Speaker 2: a fucking shower.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well they did too, and that's why they all quit. Actually,

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Speaker 1: when that news broke from the New York Times, it

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Speaker 1: was only three I mean, it was just like a

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Speaker 1: whole day. And that I think is the one bit

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Speaker 1: of good news for any of us here is that

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Speaker 1: the American people are not actually as graven as Trump

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Speaker 1: and his people are. So that is the one good thing.

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Speaker 1: Is that the rest of the American people, the people

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Speaker 1: who work in the DOJ, the people who work here,

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Speaker 1: they will not do the disgustingness that Trump world wants

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Speaker 1: them to. That's pretty interesting and worth thinking about, is that,

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Speaker 1: you know, Trump is an island, like these people are

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Speaker 1: craving and terrible, but they're just a small group, and

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Speaker 1: you know eventually this will be over. Thank God.

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Speaker 2: You say, Trump's an island? Is it? Litt'll say, James.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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