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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck

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Speaker 2: and as it's going to be on Monday, I could

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Speaker 2: not be more fired up about this. Our buddy Baldi's

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Speaker 2: in the house, Baldy. What's going on?

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm just sitting up here, like in my own

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Speaker 3: little bubble here, DJ. You know, third floor NFL film.

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Speaker 3: Nobody bothers me. I don't have any windows. I don't

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Speaker 3: know what's going on outside. I'm just in my little

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Speaker 3: bubble here, just watching these games and taking my little

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Speaker 3: notes and making some videos. Man, I'm having a good time.

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Speaker 2: This is sneakily my favorite day of the year, Buck,

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Speaker 2: because we always talk about, like the summer, we get

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Speaker 2: so tired and sick of Oh this might happen. This

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Speaker 2: could happen. Hey, they might be this, they might be that.

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Speaker 2: It's like, hey, actually we've got some games. We can

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Speaker 2: actually hop on here and talk about what we saw.

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Speaker 4: I mean that that is a lot of fun. And

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Speaker 4: I feel a little weird, DJ, because you kind of

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Speaker 4: made me make a deal with the devil. So here

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Speaker 4: I am, I mean over here dealing with a blue

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Speaker 4: deal like that.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. I don't even want to

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Speaker 3: go watch Illinois do game Bucky like that was so

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Speaker 3: we're leading.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're leaning into this stuff or whatever. But that's

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Speaker 4: good man, My man, Baldy gonna break it down, has

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Speaker 4: all this stuff. It's gonna be fun to have these

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Speaker 4: conversations every Mondy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, top on Baldi's breakdowns too, because

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Speaker 2: if you want to see some video, it's going to

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Speaker 2: company a lot of the conversations we're gonna have on here.

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Speaker 2: Baldi's got it on, He's got it on Twitter, He's

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Speaker 2: got on Instagram. Baldie, I'm I'm not a TikTok guy?

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Speaker 3: Are you?

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Speaker 2: Are you rocking this stuff on TikTok too?

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Speaker 3: Forgot on TikTok You're not, like you know, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no I'm not. Then I'm not. So you've got

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Speaker 2: me there. So check out all Baldi stuff. It's fantastic

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Speaker 2: Baldis breakdowns. Let's let's get wrong. I want to get

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Speaker 2: into this stuff here. First game game of that it

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Speaker 2: might shoot. I don't know. We're gonna see a better

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Speaker 2: game all year long than the Sunday night game we

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Speaker 2: saw with Baltimore h in Buffalo, Balbi, I'll give you

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Speaker 2: the floor, go wherever you want to go on that one.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, look, I'll take the losing end of

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Speaker 3: it in Baltimore because I'm not sure what anybody's supposed

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Speaker 3: to do to stop this Baltimore offense. And so, like

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Speaker 3: I just went and I just watched the wide angle,

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Speaker 3: and all they do is look at the safeties, two

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Speaker 3: safeties back. Here comes Derrick Henry right once, say like,

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Speaker 3: everybody up, try to stop Derrick Henry. You got single high.

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Speaker 3: Here comes a Flowers like they couldn't they couldn't figure

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Speaker 3: it out. And then if they try to bounce it up,

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Speaker 3: then here comes this prestaft motion and misdirection and there

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Speaker 3: goes Lamar ten yards for a touchdown. And I felt

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Speaker 3: like Buffalo was damned if they did and damned if

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Speaker 3: what to do. And I feel like that's going to

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Speaker 3: be most defenses this year. Now forty points one enough

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Speaker 3: to win the game, all right, but still, I mean

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Speaker 3: it came down, you know, obviously Derek feels bad about

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Speaker 3: the game. But just from that standpoint, you go, how

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Speaker 3: does anybody And then if DeAndre Hopkins thows his hand

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Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you talk about Baltimore and I

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Speaker 4: think DJ and I've had this conversation about Baltimore. A

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Speaker 4: won't know until the postseason, presuming that they get there.

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Speaker 4: And I've said on here my biggest question with Baltimore

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Speaker 4: forty to twenty five. Championship teams close that out regardless

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Speaker 4: of the Derrick Henry fumble or whatever. But there is that,

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Speaker 4: hey man, we need to finish this game out when

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Speaker 4: I am just wondering, because we've seen this iteration of

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Speaker 4: from all of these heartbreaking lessons to put it together

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Speaker 4: that question up when we see this team play for

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Speaker 4: they have the wherewithal to finish out the game like

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Speaker 2: Shit, Yeah, I want to hit a little bit on

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Speaker 2: what both of you guys said. Then we can kind

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Speaker 2: of spin it and get towards Buffalo. But on the

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Speaker 2: Henry rush for a million yards in this game. I

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Speaker 2: know Lamar had some crazy plays. You see some of

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Speaker 2: the scrambles where he's retreating poor guy. Feel bad for

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Speaker 2: Joey Bosey. He couldn't get the guy on the ground.

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Speaker 2: you think Dereck Henry take Lamar. They're their own thing,

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Speaker 2: and I don't want it to be just because it's

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Speaker 2: gotten stale because we've seen so much of them. But man,

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Speaker 2: I watched Jay Flowers and I went back through and

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Speaker 2: You'll see deep ends. You'll see they use him on

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Speaker 2: speed shovel. Let's get the ball in his hands, they

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Speaker 2: hit a tunnel screen for a touchdown. You get him,

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Speaker 2: You get him run on some of those mesh concepts

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Speaker 2: He's gone. I'm watching him going, like I it's sacrilegious

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Speaker 2: to compare some of these guys to all time great players,

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Speaker 2: I wanted to give Zay Flowers his love because I

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Speaker 2: I thought they to Bucky's point, I thought they got

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Speaker 2: of what they've done all day long of making Buffalo

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Speaker 2: you don't get that the game's over. You already are

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Speaker 2: near field goal range. But I just thought I got

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Speaker 2: came on, like, I like Justin Herbert's unbelievable. Justin Herbert

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Speaker 2: Herbert to go to the next level for the Chargers,

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Speaker 2: he needs to adopt some of the borderline cockiness arrogance

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Speaker 3: Well, the first the first touchdown of the season is

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Speaker 3: the Dalton Kincave and this the safeties are sitting it's

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Speaker 3: And you know, I was saying, like, uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: the move, but it was just it's just like it

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Speaker 4: You know, what's unbelievable about Josh Allen is not only

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Speaker 4: Stefan Diggs and his game has gone through the roof.

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Speaker 4: Like He's always been special in terms of the athleticism

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Speaker 4: last year and some change, he has been next level

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Speaker 4: when it comes to his ability to put the cape

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Speaker 4: I am more amazed at Josh Allen's ability to do

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Speaker 4: his superpowers when needed. He's amazing and his growth has

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Speaker 4: kind of changed the way and DJ we've talked about this.

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen, Lamark Jackson changed the way that we looked

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Speaker 2: It went from being through.

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Speaker 4: Fromme tou they what they can't do too well they

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Speaker 4: all the credit in the world to Josh Allen because

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Speaker 4: this dude consistently puts the Bill's opposite.

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Speaker 3: Well, Josh, Josh said it at the end of the

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Speaker 3: game Buck, he said, like, you never count us out.

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Speaker 3: We're playing sixteen minutes now, like you know, they're down fifteen,

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Speaker 3: like it's late fourth quarter, and here they come.

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Speaker 2: I mean they needed a gift though, Baldi, they needed

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Speaker 2: and they got one.

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Speaker 3: They got the gift, they got the ball you know

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Speaker 3: they got what they needed for the defense. But that's

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Speaker 3: all they needed and that was enough now.

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Speaker 2: So coming into this game, one of the topics we

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Speaker 2: think we focused in on Baltimore and it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: weaponry uh that Baltimore has just seems far superior to

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Speaker 4: And look, there's something there's a saying that that that

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Speaker 3: came in and you know, you talked to some of

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Speaker 3: the guys there, Adam George whatever, they all said that

433
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Speaker 3: he was the best back, and he showed it yesterday.

434
00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,560
Speaker 3: His pop and his vision and his cutting was just elite.

435
00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,199
Speaker 3: And so they got they got a good thing from

436
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Speaker 3: the run game. And then on the other side, they

437
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,639
Speaker 3: were the thirtieth ranks rush defense football and it was

438
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Speaker 3: a big weakness and they went out and they got

439
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 3: you know, they got a bunch of different guys that

440
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Speaker 3: come in and you look at what they did yesterday.

441
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Speaker 3: Javon came in and you look at you know, wis

442
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Speaker 3: Dietrich wise, Like, they added some bodies and they played

443
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:08,600
Speaker 3: great run defense. Yesterday the Giants they couldn't score from

444
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 3: first and goal with the one they couldn't score like,

445
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,919
Speaker 3: they won the line of scrimmage up front, and it

446
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Speaker 3: was pretty impressive for what they did.

447
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Speaker 4: When I think about what the commanders are and what

448
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 4: they could be with Jayden Daniels, I think about the

449
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,240
Speaker 4: weapons that they added, being able to have more firepower

450
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Speaker 4: on the perimeter. You think about Debo, you have Terry

451
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Speaker 4: coming back, but also you talk about Bill Little Bill

452
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Speaker 4: as they talk about him being able to have that

453
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 4: explosive element in the backfield and then putting it together,

454
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Speaker 4: and I would say, by no means was just like

455
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Speaker 4: a classic vintage Washington performance. But you can already see

456
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Speaker 4: the potential in terms of what they could be. And

457
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Speaker 4: I just think and I firmly believe this division between

458
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Speaker 4: Philly and Washington, like the arms race that is being

459
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Speaker 4: created in the offseason and how they continue to play out.

460
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Speaker 4: I just can't wait to continue to see the evolution

461
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Speaker 4: of this offense and the maturation of Jayden Daniels. You

462
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Speaker 4: always worried that second year when they come back to

463
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Speaker 4: the back after the league spends the year kind of

464
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Speaker 4: picking apart the game. I just kind of want to

465
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Speaker 4: continue to see how does he count the counters that

466
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Speaker 4: are going to be used at him, and how does

467
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Speaker 4: Cliff Kingsbury get him to continue to play at the

468
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Speaker 4: high level that he's playing at right now.

469
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you guys are on it. I mean,

470
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Speaker 2: Bill crossky merit. It's It's one thing when you're like, Okay,

471
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Speaker 2: this guy accumulated some stuff. It's another thing when you

472
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Speaker 2: pop on the video and you're like, oh that looks different,

473
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 2: like that stop, start and then just burst like he

474
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 2: had big time burst. And I don't think it's it

475
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,400
Speaker 2: might already be here. He's their most talent running back.

476
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's even a debate. And I think

477
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Speaker 2: he's going to be their feature guy, you know, going

478
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Speaker 2: forward for the rest of the year. I'm excited to

479
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Speaker 2: watch him. He's got a real he's got a legit

480
00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: shot to be the rookie of the year, like he

481
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Speaker 2: could in this offense. With the weapons that they have

482
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Speaker 2: and the quarterback they have and the offensive line that's upgraded,

483
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Speaker 2: He's going to have an absolute monster year. Baldi, we

484
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,439
Speaker 2: were talking about it. I was watching eighty five with

485
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Speaker 2: Noah Brown on watching him block his butt off, and

486
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Speaker 2: you go all peak baits and I'm like, oh, I

487
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Speaker 2: didn't know Bates's number off top of my head, but

488
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Speaker 2: I think is he eighty Yeah, he's eighty seven. Yeah,

489
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Speaker 2: he's blocking his butt off too. Like it tells you

490
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Speaker 2: the culture of a place when you look at how

491
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Speaker 2: the receivers and the tight end block.

492
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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean John Bates at number eighty seven

493
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Speaker 3: for Washington. He is a he's a great he's a

494
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Speaker 3: great blocker. And he's and Cliff. It's interesting, you know,

495
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Speaker 3: so Cliff comes out of the Big twelve and Texas

496
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Speaker 3: Tech and never saw a tight end in his entire life.

497
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Speaker 3: Now he knows how to use these tight ends. Amazing,

498
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Speaker 3: how he's evolved and how he'll have you know, zach

499
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Speaker 3: Ertz out there, he's still doing his thing somehow, and

500
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Speaker 3: his thirteenth year, zach Ertz is still winning one on

501
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Speaker 3: ones and scoring touchdowns and you know he's gonna fall

502
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 3: down as soon as he catches it, but it's just

503
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 3: gonna be in the end zone. But John, Yeah, this

504
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 3: John Bates is a great blocker at the point of attack.

505
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Speaker 3: They ask him to do a lot of different things.

506
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Speaker 3: He's in motion, he's ceiling, you know, the split zones.

507
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Speaker 3: He's really good at what he does, and they really

508
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Speaker 3: take advantage of it. And so they got a strong

509
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,719
Speaker 3: side attack, whether it's Jade Daniels or Crosskey Merritt, whoever's running,

510
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 3: and they ran a countertrait like Joe Gibbs to be

511
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Speaker 3: really proud of, you know, to thinking it's Russ Grimm

512
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 3: and Joe Jacobe pulling on the backside, and you know,

513
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 3: Bates got the key block on the linebacker buried him

514
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Speaker 3: and Crosskey Merritt scored on the play, and I just thought, like,

515
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,679
Speaker 3: where's the hogs when you when you do that's what?

516
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Speaker 4: Hey?

517
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Speaker 2: Buck, who's starting a quarterback for the Giants next week?

518
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Speaker 2: As we record this?

519
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Speaker 4: Look, man, I think Russell gets one more than eventually

520
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 4: to go aheaded to Jackson Dart.

521
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Speaker 2: You'll take the under on that.

522
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Speaker 4: Oh okay, well, inside information.

523
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Speaker 2: No, no, there's no inside information.

524
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Speaker 4: I'm just it's interesting.

525
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Speaker 1: But before he answered, like yesterday, Ian reported before the

526
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Speaker 1: game that Jackson Dart was going to have a package

527
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Speaker 1: of place for him, and I saw him down the

528
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Speaker 1: field and he didn't say no.

529
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Speaker 3: When I asked him about it, he didn't say yes,

530
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Speaker 3: but he did shut it down by any stretch. And

531
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Speaker 3: then he didn't get on the field, And I kept

532
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 3: looking on the sideline going how much longer you're going

533
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Speaker 3: to watch this.

534
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Speaker 2: Wilson as an offensive head coach?

535
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Speaker 3: You're an offensive coach walking.

536
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Speaker 4: It's brutal. Look, man, it's been like that. But they

537
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 4: knew that when they signed it. And so it's one

538
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 4: of those things like if you are da've all like, like,

539
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Speaker 4: how long are we going to go with this? Because

540
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 4: he was brought in and hired as head coach where

541
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Speaker 4: his offensive widgery wizardry, but we're not seeing any of that.

542
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Speaker 4: And the more that I see elite neighbors on the

543
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Speaker 4: sideline getting mad and fed up and frustrated, Like it's

544
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Speaker 4: a lot to manage and I don't know if Jackson

545
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 4: darts could be the answer to managing that, but it's

546
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 4: an issue and they got to figure out what's going

547
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Speaker 4: to happen.

548
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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting. So you know, Milik and Jake Daniels

549
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: are literally best friends, so like they can't before the game,

550
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: after the game, like they're hugging. But I'm sure Malik

551
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: is watching Jaye Daniels get the ball till his whole

552
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 3: fleet of receivers, and he's like, that's all I want.

553
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 3: That's all I want is a guy that could get

554
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 3: me the ball. And the only thing they can really

555
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 3: do to Malik right now in this offense is throw

556
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 3: jump balls to him, which he's great at. And he

557
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: caught a couple, and they probably should have flagged a

558
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 3: couple of interference penalties on Marshall Lattimore or you know,

559
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 3: Trey Angs on some plays. It looks like it to me,

560
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: but I'm sure Malik is just watching this like a

561
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: lot of these guys just give me a quarterback and

562
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: get me a ball, like we're down in a goal line,

563
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 3: like I should be scoring here, and they can't rEFInd

564
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: him right now.

565
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Speaker 2: All right, Calvin just put in the chat as we're

566
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: talking here that Ian had tweeted the day Ball announced

567
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson will start Sunday versus the Cowboys. I have

568
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Speaker 2: not seen a tweet that said if he will finish

569
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: versus the Cowboys. Yea, so we'll see. I know he's

570
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: not as an offensive head coach who's in a gotta

571
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Speaker 2: have it year to maintain employment. I cannot imagine he

572
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 2: watches four more quarters of what he watched, but there's

573
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Speaker 2: no way you start rest. But if that Jay he

574
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Speaker 2: finishes that game, do.

575
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Speaker 3: You think that the conversation is being had with Kafka

576
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 3: and Marya, the whole group over there, and they're saying, boy,

577
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: if we make to switch now this is a panic move,

578
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 3: or you say the hell with the panic move. This

579
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 3: gives ourselves the best chance to win.

580
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 2: We got to be we gotta be playing, and more importantly,

581
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: this rookie quarterback needs to be getting better and playing

582
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 2: well at the end of the year. So to me,

583
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 2: if you look at their schedule, it is murderer's row.

584
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 2: You can say, oh, we're going to what where you

585
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 2: gonna slide him in? It's one freaking a head knocker

586
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: after another after another after another. So my thing is, okay,

587
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 2: there's two things that you have to be buck to

588
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: get on the field as a rookie quarterback, and that

589
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 2: is mentally and physically tough, because you're gonna they're gonna

590
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: get hit because they're going to come after him, and

591
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 2: then you're gonna have failure. So to me, from what

592
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,239
Speaker 2: we know and we spent time around him. I did

593
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: all my homework on Jackson Dart. I know for a

594
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: fact he passes the physically tough part of it, and

595
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: everything that I've heard about him in my interactions with him,

596
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: I think he's mentally strong enough to be able to

597
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: handle a little failure that's going to come his way.

598
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 2: But get him out there, get him up and running,

599
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: so that by the end of the year he's playing

600
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 2: some good ball and we can all run this thing back.

601
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Speaker 4: You know, here's the thing. I think it all depends

602
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 4: on how the conversation is shaped between head, coach, front office,

603
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 4: and ownership. Like, if you have I don't want to see

604
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: assurances that you're going to be back and this is

605
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 4: part of a long term plan and process, then I

606
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 4: probably feel better about putting the young guy out there

607
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: to work through it. But if it's a mix of, hey,

608
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 4: we want to work the young guy out, but we

609
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: still are holding you to a standard where you need

610
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 4: to win some games that can be hard to pull

611
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 4: off at one time, particularly against the murderers road that

612
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 4: you talk about on the schedule. This has to be

613
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 4: an organizational decision when you decide that Jackson Dart is

614
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 4: going to be the quarterback, and once he goes in,

615
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 4: it can't be oh, we're gonna pull him out once

616
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: he goes in. It has to be a full commitment

617
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 4: that we're all in on the Jackson Dart Show and

618
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,880
Speaker 4: our job, offensively is to get him going and we're

619
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 4: going try and win as many games as we can

620
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 4: while we're working through some of those growing pains.

621
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Speaker 2: God, it's just so ugly what they're watching. I don't

622
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: know how much longer they're going to want to watch that.

623
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Speaker 2: So we'll see it. Hey, let's get to let's get

624
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 2: to Michcah parsons first game there with Green Bay. I mean, look,

625
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 2: we're talking about what we saw personnel wise, and that's

626
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 2: kind of what we do on this show. But Paul

627
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 2: I got to give the stadium operations folks some love.

628
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: Pretty cool when they had him introduced as the last

629
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: guy coming out of the tunnel. Saw that little clip

630
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: that was floating around, pretty epic scene there in Lambeau.

631
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 3: You know, first of all, I mean he played thirty snaps,

632
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 3: so you know, probably about half half the action. A

633
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 3: lot of them were pass rushers, and he looked like

634
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons in a Green Bay uniform. The guy was

635
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 3: elite off I mean, there's Penney Sewel over there and

636
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: he's beating him inside and you know he's getting into

637
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: Goth's face and he's thrown an interception. Evan Williams GoF

638
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 3: gets off the spot and here he comes like it's

639
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: just you know, nobody's getting away from Michael Parsons. No

640
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: quarterback is getting away from when he's on the chase.

641
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: So you saw a lot of that. But then you know,

642
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 3: you saw you saw in the game where they Detroit

643
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: was already game planning for They're already chipping him, They're

644
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 3: already taking the guard and sliding there. And so here

645
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 3: comes Rashaun and Lucas nests and they're eating a little

646
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: they they want to rob the middle of the field.

647
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 3: But you know, Jared Goff that was offense looked awful.

648
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 3: But I thought Micah looked excited to be there, like

649
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 3: he's jumping on. I haven't seen him that excited in

650
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: a while, but I think he was pumped to get

651
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 3: out there and do this thing. I don't know how

652
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: bad the back is, I'm not really because it didn't

653
00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: look like it affected him at all. He looked like

654
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 3: the same guy, instant takeoff, beating some good players out there.

655
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 3: They moved him around quite a bit. They played, they

656
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: rushed them over the guard, they rushed them right side,

657
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 3: left side, so they had a play in form and

658
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: I thought he had about four or five rushers that

659
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: were outstanding.

660
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say this because we all have been tied

661
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 4: to great organizations. Organizations that I say are first class

662
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 4: or they have championship standards have been played in Green Bay.

663
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 4: What I get from Michael Parsons is there's a clear

664
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 4: understanding of what is expected of him, and that might

665
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 4: have been different than what it was in Dallas. Baudy,

666
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 4: you played in Dallas. I'm sure Dallas now is different

667
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 4: in Dallas back then. But what I do know about

668
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 4: Green Bay when you walk in those hallowed halls, everything

669
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 4: goes back to those days of Ben's Lambarden, even Curly Lambau,

670
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 4: about how you expected to conduct yourself in that building.

671
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons talked early in the week about Hey, on

672
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 4: the day off, I came in and there were so

673
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 4: many guys here I've never seen that I can tell

674
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 4: you in Green Bay. That is the expectation, like They

675
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 4: don't call that place title town for nothing, so I'm

676
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: not surprised that when they did the intro and they

677
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 4: called him last. Part of that is to ingratiate him

678
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 4: to the franchise, the community, or whatever, but it's also

679
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 4: to let him know what the expectations are for him

680
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 4: on the field. Look, man, Jeff Affley, I knew he

681
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: was gonna have a thing because when you are a

682
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 4: vision and break seaball getball defense like they want to be.

683
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 4: When you get a pass rusher, the turnovers come in droves,

684
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: and moving him around and being able to take advantage

685
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 4: of his pass rushing prowess not only sets up those

686
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 4: other pass rushers to get busy, as you talked about

687
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 4: Rashan Gary and Devin Wyatt and those guys, but in

688
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 4: the back end, man, you talk about being able to

689
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: squat and include a quarterback knowing that, hey, thousand and one,

690
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: one thousand and two, the balls coming out. The Green

691
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 4: Bay Packers became a title contender when they acquired Michael

692
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 4: Parson's because I felt like they're going to be one

693
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: of the few organizations that could get the best out

694
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: of him. Because he has to comply to the standards

695
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 4: because they've been greater players that are played there before him,

696
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: and he'll understand what is expected of him.

697
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: To me, it's about what it does for all the

698
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: other guys on that defense. It's literally like I think

699
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: about baseball. You acquired a three hole hitter at the

700
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: trade deadline, is what you did. And now all of

701
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 2: a sudden, your three hitter gets to move down a

702
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 2: little bit. All of a sudden, now your five hitters

703
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: now hitting this set. Everybody's getting better pitches. And you

704
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 2: saw Rashan Gary in one on ones with Taylor Decker,

705
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 2: and I'm not you know, Baldly, you own nicknames for players.

706
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: We go to the condor with Max Crosby, go you

707
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: know Highway seventy seven. You're the nickname guy. I'm gonna

708
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: give you one free of charge. Rashan Gary, it should

709
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: be his nickname should be Amco because he is testing

710
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: your breaks as an offensive tackle and and Decker's breaks

711
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 2: were not working well against the power that he was facing.

712
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: That was roller skates straight back to the quarterback. But

713
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: there is a lot of power there that if we

714
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: just put that video on Baldy's breakdowns and let's get

715
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: the amco thing double a. So that that was one thing,

716
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: and the other thing was if you haven't I loved

717
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 2: him coming out and I haven't just watched a ton

718
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: of him since he's been in the league. Eddrin Cooper

719
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: is going to be a major problem for people, no doubt, dynamic.

720
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 2: He's explosive. Guards trying to get up to him that

721
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 2: he just dips and dodgs. You can't get your hands

722
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: on him. He's too sudden, too twitchy, and too explosive.

723
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 3: So that game, uh, you know when he was at

724
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: A and M against Alabama when it was just like

725
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: about him drafted like he did everything that day. But

726
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: he took over the second half of the season last

727
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 3: year and he's on a he's on a good course

728
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: to a bunch of tackles that make a lot of plays.

729
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the negative side of this thing,

730
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: because a lot was discussed about Detroit. You lose both coordinators.

731
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: What's that going to look like? What's the plan? So

732
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna start this is the area I focused on,

733
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 2: Buck and then I'll see what you think and Baldy

734
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: pick it up. But red Zone. Look, they lost the

735
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: game by a couple scores, but you're one of four

736
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: in the red zone. That's the that's the story of

737
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: the game. Green Bays three of five, Like, just do

738
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: the math on that one. That that tells you the

739
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: whole story of the game. So they had thirteen plays.

740
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: They ran in the red zone, ten passes, three runs

741
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: for Detroit. Let's go with the first time they're in there.

742
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: They go gun, no play action, throw a flat route

743
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 2: for five yards to Gibbs. They come back, they're under center.

744
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 2: It's a run, no game. That's where Drian Cooper just

745
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 2: beats the tight end on the backside cut off. Then,

746
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: so now we're in third down, we're in Gun's there's

747
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing there. There's no play action, there's no mesh.

748
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: There's just just swarmed and covered in smooth there's nothing

749
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: for golf incomplete. So that's their first one. They go

750
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: to the second time they're down there, gun, no play action,

751
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: pass throwaway, gun run Pina sewell he gets beat, Mahogan,

752
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 2: he gets beat. So you get nothing on a second

753
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: down run the third down, gun, no play action, no mesh,

754
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 2: golf just locks on. There's nothing there, gets picked. So

755
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 2: now we've got one failure, one turnover we get to

756
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,959
Speaker 2: the third possession under center, they go under center play action,

757
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: but there's no mesh. There's nothing in that restricted space

758
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 2: to create any separation. So they're just absolutely smothered under center,

759
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: run tackle for loss, third and sixteen. They just dump

760
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: one off to the flat. The only time they did

761
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: anything in the red zone is the fourth quarter, minute

762
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 2: thirty four. You're down by twenty one points. They run

763
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: four verticals, they dumped the ball down and then they

764
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: hit Tesla in the back of the end zone makes

765
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 2: an unbelievable catching, but the game's over at that point

766
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 2: in time. So I go back and watch last year.

767
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: I'm like, what was the difference. I watched all the

768
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,919
Speaker 2: red zone snaps against Green Bay last year. I saw

769
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: more shifts, motion movement, I saw a tight end screen.

770
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: I saw Mom and Ross Saint Brown on an inside

771
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: reverse pop one the I'm just it looked stale and static.

772
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 2: It did not look creative. And it's one week buck.

773
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to overreact on the coaching side of things,

774
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: but that was alarming what you saw from Detroit's offense.

775
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: Look, I'm not surprised. That's one of the things that

776
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 4: was the biggest question is why you couldn't pencil the

777
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 4: Detroit lines in as a prohibitive favorite in that division.

778
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: When you lose both coordinators you talk about Ben Johnson

779
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 4: and Aaron Glnn respectively, it changes the way this team's

780
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: going to be, regardless of the personnel carry over. When

781
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 4: you have John Morton coming in, who is a John

782
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 4: Gruden West Coast disciple, and he's replacing Ben Johnson, who

783
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:47,760
Speaker 4: is a creative, artistic wizard. When it came to that offense,

784
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: it was going to be different, and I wondered how

785
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 4: much pressure John mort would have to match the creativity

786
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 4: that Ben Johnson left, because that offense was fun, it

787
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: was physical, and they had a bill needed more between

788
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 4: Finesse and Forrest. I don't know if you can match that,

789
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 4: and we have to get used to seeing a very generic,

790
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 4: very static Lions offense and I just don't know. Personnel wise,

791
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 4: that's cool, but you have to have superior personnel everywhere

792
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 4: to play vanilla ice cream type offense and win consistently

793
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: in this league.

794
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 3: I've always I've always maintained since I was in Dallas

795
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 3: and we lost a lot of great assistant coaches, Jeene

796
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 3: Stallings and Dickens some really good coaches that it's more

797
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: difficult to replace great coaches than it is great players.

798
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 3: Now that being said, losing Frank rag Now and Kevin

799
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 3: Zeitler and just seeing Graham Glasgow will go over to

800
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 3: center and then two new guards in there, like, they're

801
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 3: just not as good upfront right now. Now maybe they

802
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 3: get better. And Decker, you know, they thought about replacing

803
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: him a year ago, so they're not as good upfront

804
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: where you might have the confidence to try some of

805
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: these things and work some of these gimmick not gimmicks,

806
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: but some of these things that Ben Johnson liked to do.

807
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: It all started with the ability to win the line

808
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: of scrimmage, and I don't know that they weren't close

809
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: to doing that yesterday, And so I think that that's

810
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 3: another thing to watch, is the guard, the interior offensive

811
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: line play and how that affects this offense.

812
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard in that division too, with who

813
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 2: you're gonna see defensively. So look, it's one game. Let's

814
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna try and way overreact to it. But

815
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 2: I would just use the word alarming. It wasn't great

816
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: there for Detroit. Baldi Tampa Atlanta great game. Did what

817
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 2: did you see in that one?

818
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 4: Uh?

819
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 3: Well, you know, they lost Tristan Waris in the offseason

820
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 3: and so in the preseason they had different guys playing

821
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 3: left tackle. Well, for this game, they adjusted the whole

822
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 3: offensive line. They took Graham Barton and played him at

823
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 3: left tackle. They took Ben Britis in their left guard,

824
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: they put him at center, and then they put Michael

825
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 3: Jordan in at left guard. And they played great. They

826
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: played great. I mean, all those all the emphasis that

827
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 3: Atlanta had on getting these pass rushers James Pearce and

828
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 3: Jalen Walker and you know, Leonard Floyd, like all of

829
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 3: the whole emphasis was We're going to get to the quarterback,

830
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 3: except they didn't. And Baker was like, the two touchdown

831
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 3: throws to Abuca are just dying absolute dimes. But he

832
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 3: also had trusted his protection and he did it from

833
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: the pocket and they were beautiful throws, including the game winner,

834
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 3: uh to a Buka.

835
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 4: Uh.

836
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 3: That was that was really encouraging that you could manage

837
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 3: the offensive line, make the switches they did, and the

838
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 3: players and not playing at all in any games together

839
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 3: in preseason and then putting that out there on the

840
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 3: road in Atlanta in a packed house that was encouraging.

841
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: On the other side of Michael Pennis, I thought he

842
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: played great. You know, it really came down to a

843
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 3: turnover at the end of the game, but I thought

844
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 3: he had him in the game all the way to

845
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: the very end. Fact, he throws a ball to Casey

846
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 3: Washington with sixteen seconds ago, He's got it at the five.

847
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 3: It's in hands that Antoine Winfield came and just blew

848
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: him up and it became an incompletion. Buddy. He gave

849
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 3: him a chance to the very very end. And the

850
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 3: talent they lost Drake Drake London is a huge loss.

851
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 3: But you know, the throws to Bijon what he did,

852
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 3: Kyle Pitch looked like he was involved in the offense

853
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 3: for the first time in a long time. Casey Washington,

854
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 3: I didn't know who he was until this game. Like

855
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 3: it was, it was a good It was a good

856
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 3: NFC South game, I'll say.

857
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 4: You that, yeah, a good NFC South game. And I

858
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 4: think we have to come to the realization that Tempay

859
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 4: Buccaneers have kind of cracked the code when it comes

860
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 4: to dominating that division. They won four straight division titles.

861
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 4: They always kind of have a sense of how to

862
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 4: win those games. But Todd Bowles and the job that

863
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 4: Jason Light has done and kind of building up that talent,

864
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: this is a team that's gonna be very dangerous down

865
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 4: the stretch. And when I think about offensively, what they

866
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 4: were able to do a Mecca Buca. You have Mike Evans,

867
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: you don't have Chris Gottwin yet, but when they get

868
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 4: those guys back and then they're able to continue to

869
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 4: run the ball, this is gonna be a tough team

870
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: because officously they're gonna be able to control it via

871
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 4: the run or pass. But defensively, what Todd Bowles does

872
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: with all those exotic zone pressures, man, he gives you

873
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 4: a headache physically and mentally with all the stuff that

874
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 4: they do. This is a really good team and they're

875
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 4: gonna fly out the radar, but they're gonna be one

876
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 4: of those teams that you're gonna have to deal with

877
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 4: when we talk about who's gonna be in the final

878
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 4: four when it comes down to Super Super Bowl contendent.

879
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not click bait, I'm not a power

880
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 2: statement guy, but I know you've got a first bout

881
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer and receiver at Mecca Book is the

882
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 2: best player, their best skilled player on offense. Just just

883
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: watching what right now today, and to me, it's not

884
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: only the you know, the trust Baker has in him,

885
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: his ability to go get the ball, his ability to

886
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: set guys up. To me, it was like Temple when

887
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: you get guys that know how to temple routes in

888
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,479
Speaker 2: their first NFL game, I understand how to let things

889
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: open up and then you see different. I was like,

890
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: this is some different polish like that, and that's why

891
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: they center Ohio State. This guy's a pros pro like

892
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 2: he's he takes in and information. He's going to learn everything.

893
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 2: He knows all the coverages to your point, Baldy, So

894
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 2: uh that was uh, that was what blew me away

895
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: from that watching the Mecca Book. Baldi, We've got you

896
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: for about five more minutes. So I want to jam

897
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: through a couple more games and then if you're listening

898
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: to this for the first time, catching us on a Monday,

899
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: whatever game, we don't hit here today, Bucky and I

900
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 2: we're going to clean up from more because if we don't,

901
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: if we don't talk about it today, we'll get it tomorrow.

902
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to just short

903
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 2: change stuff because I love the discussions that we're getting

904
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 2: ready to have here, Baldy, let's get to uh, let's

905
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 2: get to Indy. And what they did, I mean maybe

906
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: that was the biggest surprise of the week.

907
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: That was starting to nothing at one point and it

908
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: was just it was complete domination. But I mean, you know, look,

909
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 3: Inianapolis Colts first pick was Tyler Warren, and you can't

910
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 3: watch that game and go, this is Tyler Warren's offense. Like,

911
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 3: first of all, they I thought Chane did a great

912
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: psych and did a great job of just making things

913
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 3: like I call it paint by numbers, but Daniel Jones

914
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: had very few reads to actually really make you just

915
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: had to drop back his back foot and throw it

916
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 3: and there was a guy open. Whether it was the

917
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: first touchdown to Pittman where Tyler Warren takes the safety

918
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 3: with him and it opens up the wheel behind it

919
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 3: and there's a great throw. But I just thought that

920
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren in the blocking from the opening drive, catching

921
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: three balls and the opening drive right down the field,

922
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 3: like he's so he's so fiery, and how he lays

923
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 3: the game guys bounce off him like he is an

924
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: unbelievable target. He runs really well. He is a difference

925
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 3: maker for that team. Third and one, here comes Tyler

926
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: Warren on you know, the sneak up the middle. There's

927
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 3: they used them to seal, to pass protect, so many

928
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 3: different ways that they used them. And he was really effective.

929
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 3: And you know by anybody that you know, if you

930
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 3: guys have had a chance to talk to him, like

931
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 3: he says two words, you know that's a lot. Like

932
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 3: he just lets his play do the talking. Like he's

933
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 3: just and you can see it. He's having a great

934
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: time out there whatever it is that he's doing. And

935
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 3: he it opened up the whole offense to me.

936
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you talk about opening another the offense.

937
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 4: Daniel Jones gave us a little preview of what this

938
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 4: was going to look like during the week when he

939
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 4: talked about how Shane Stykeen has a unique ability to

940
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: make things very very simple for the quarterback, very.

941
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: Black or white.

942
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 4: He gave him credit for not being egotistical enough to

943
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,720
Speaker 4: have this huge playbook, but he does the simple things

944
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 4: better than anybody else, and he'll find a million different

945
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 4: ways to run simple concepts that are easy for the quarterback.

946
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 4: And what we saw was the best version of Daniel

947
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 4: Jones in terms of being able to take this thing

948
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 4: and get hot and get going.

949
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 3: And never in a.

950
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 4: Million years did people envision Daniel Jones having this kind

951
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 4: of game, not only in a debut, but where he's

952
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 4: a dominant player and performer. And so if I'm the

953
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 4: Indianapolis Ghost and I'm Shane stycken Man, I feel great

954
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 4: about what this is and what this could be because

955
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 4: Lou and Aroumo and that defense is going to be

956
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 4: much better than people think. And if they can get

957
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 4: consistent production, I'm not saying thirty three points a game

958
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 4: from the offense. Do they get consistent for production where

959
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 4: they're twenty four to twenty six, they're gonna win a

960
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 4: lot of games because defensively, Lou and Aroma is whereas

961
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 4: he knows how to how to unlock the defensive person

962
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 4: in the talent, and we saw that against Miami.

963
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 2: You got me to the defense is where I wanted

964
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: to go. I don't want to no name defense has

965
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: been used. I don't want to say that, but I

966
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: would say when you're putting a scouting report together and

967
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 2: you're going to play the Indianapolis Colts defense. I don't

968
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 2: think there's that one guy where we're like, Okay, we

969
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: got to give all our attention to this player. What

970
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: they do is they have a lot of really really

971
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 2: good players. So you know, in terms of how many

972
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 2: true blue players they have, I don't know that there's

973
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: a lot of those, but there are not a lot

974
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: of weaknesses. And when you go through that tape and

975
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: you watch Kenny Moore blitzing, you know, playing with timing

976
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 2: and instincts. You watch Grover Grover Stewart putting the centers

977
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: and guards on roller skates all day long. Is just

978
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: a big, powerful, physical guy. Nick Cross, you know, was

979
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 2: active and physical in the back end. Lat Too is

980
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 2: starting to come along and starting to see some of

981
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 2: what they love so much about him come out of

982
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: UCLA Ebukam, who, by the way, I don't know if

983
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: he's played for fifty teams, but I feel like every

984
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 2: year I watch Ebukam making plays for somebody. But they

985
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: we all can run their athletic and they play really

986
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: really hard, And I mean that was that was.

987
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,919
Speaker 3: Tua look absolutely flummixed in that game.

988
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: Well, their offensive line stinks so let's start.

989
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: Okay, but like you know, for Tua not to feel

990
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: those two backside blitzers that they talked about anymore and

991
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 3: hit cross coming clean and hitting them and getting the

992
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 3: ball out on one of the occasions, like to not

993
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 3: feel that or know that, like credit lou on a

994
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 3: Room was gonna hit. He's gonna he's gonna blitz the

995
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: backside of Tua, but not to feel see it like

996
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 3: that just doesn't feel like to it to me. And

997
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: then once he gets hit, now he's starting to read

998
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: the rush after that, and that's what Then he really

999
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: got himself in the truble.

1000
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: It was not pretty from Miami. Will we'll spare Miami

1001
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: the our heat today. I want to get to two

1002
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 2: last things, Baldi. Then we'll let you scoot two. Number

1003
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: one overall quarterbacks. I'll start lead us off on the

1004
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 2: first one. Cam Ward making his first start. That's I mean, look,

1005
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: you're on the road against Denver and that defense. That's

1006
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: a tough assignment, man, But I'm watching that. He's twelve

1007
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: to twenty eight for a twelve. He got sacked six times.

1008
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 2: He did not run the football one time. So those

1009
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: are kind of the numbers as they stand out when

1010
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 2: you watch the sacks, there's a couple of them of

1011
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: him just holding the ball. That's the speed at this

1012
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 2: adjustment of the speed of the game. You think about

1013
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: how many times at Miami he would be a statue

1014
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: like he would just sit there feet in the ground

1015
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 2: with that great Miami offensive line. Yeah, that ain't happening here.

1016
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: So he's got to speed up his process a little bit.

1017
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: They got beat I mean, gosh, I don't Kushion Barry

1018
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: got killed in this game. Latham I think was hurt.

1019
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the update on that, but he would

1020
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: laid off the ball the time he struggled, but he

1021
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 2: had three drops down the field. I thought that the

1022
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 2: biggest takeaway watching him throw the ball was he made

1023
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 2: he made two plays on scrambles. But that's not who

1024
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: he's going to be or how he's going to be

1025
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: with this team. He's got to play on time. When

1026
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 2: he played on time back football gone, he was Okay,

1027
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 2: that's baldy. I think that's just kind of the speed

1028
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 2: of the game thing for Cam He's just got to

1029
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 2: get adjusted.

1030
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 3: Well. They probably couldn't have been a worse defensive start

1031
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 3: then against Denver. I mean Denver had as many five

1032
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 3: man rushes as anybody in this business because they know

1033
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: they can hold up on the back end. And so

1034
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 3: it all takes is Dan Moore, Jay you know, or Kushenbarry,

1035
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 3: somebody to get beat by Zach Allen or Benito whoever

1036
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: you know, was winning the one on ones and now

1037
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 3: he's under pressure. Now he's now it's speeding him up.

1038
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: And so they they are relentless. Van Joseph does a

1039
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: great job, but he's got great personnelity. Olfango really showed

1040
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: up in that game, you know, immediately, and so I

1041
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: just feel like, man, try to find a weakness in

1042
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 3: that Denver defense and then have the offensive line to

1043
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: be able to hold up so a guy can at

1044
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 3: least have two and a half seconds to go find

1045
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 3: a receiver. He didn't get many of those opportunities.

1046
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 4: No, he didn't get many of those. You knew advance

1047
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 4: Joseph was gonna doallod up. He's gonna at him up

1048
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 4: because that's all he knows. Like this is a team

1049
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 4: that was at the top of the league in sack

1050
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 4: last year. They believe in bringing pressure. They're relentless when

1051
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 4: it comes to it, and having a young guy, they

1052
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 4: were setting them up. I'll say this offensively, just got

1053
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 4: to see better ball security from bow Knicks and this offense.

1054
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 4: Like this is a game that the score was much

1055
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 4: closer than it should have been, and that's because they

1056
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 4: turned the ball over. They take care of the football

1057
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 4: and they kind of get the running the ball and

1058
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 4: vo Nicks is efficient. This Broncos team is built and

1059
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 4: it just makes me think, Man, the AFC West is

1060
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 4: gonna be a head knock because you talk about the Kansay,

1061
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 4: the Chiefs being at the bottom, Pete Carroll working his magic,

1062
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 4: the Broncos winning, and then the Charge is winning. It's

1063
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 4: gonna be tough and I can see it game down

1064
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: the stretch.

1065
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 2: I cant see them all here. So you got to

1066
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: see the Chiefs Week one. For the Chargers, we'll go

1067
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 2: play the uh the Raiders. I'll see that game Monday night,

1068
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: and then the following week Denver comes to LA, so

1069
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: the Charger will get a taste of the entire division here.

1070
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 2: To start us off, last one Buck game, you were

1071
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: at Bryce young again, hoping that was going to be

1072
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: a step forward for him after last year. The Jags

1073
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: team that you you work for and call games for

1074
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: they kind of they kind of bottled up this offense.

1075
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, they bought up the offense. But here here's the

1076
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 4: funny thing like it, the score is not truly indicative

1077
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 4: of what it looked like him watching it up close.

1078
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 4: The Panthers want to run the football, and Trouepa Hubbard

1079
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 4: had it going. He was averaging like five years of

1080
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 4: clip the first half, and then there was a turnover

1081
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 4: that kind of flipped the script a little bit, gave

1082
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 4: the Jaguars life and they were able to separate, and

1083
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: then you had the long weather delay and all that

1084
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 4: other stuff, and so it just didn't fall in their favor.

1085
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 4: When this offense is at his best, Chebra Huver's running

1086
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 4: the ball, they finding creative ways to get Bryce Young

1087
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 4: out of the pocket on play action, boot action in

1088
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 4: those things. Well, let me tell you something. All those

1089
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 4: opinions that we had on tedor Roy McMillan about oh,

1090
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 4: I don't know, tell me wrong on that this dude

1091
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 4: is amazing when it comes to his hand out coordination,

1092
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 4: his ability to play big, looking like a natural number

1093
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 4: one receiver. If they're able to dictate the terms, meaning

1094
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 4: they can run on early downs and get to the

1095
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 4: play action where they can find tedyor Roy McMillan, and

1096
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 4: he might have to say his whole name, because his

1097
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 4: mom chastised me in the elevator about he's not Ted.

1098
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 4: He's not going to make sure I call him by

1099
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 4: his entire name or t mac whatever it is he's

1100
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 4: If they can get that going, they have a chance.

1101
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 4: But right now it was piecemeal. It wasn't clean. You

1102
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 4: just hope the operation gets better for that offense with

1103
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 4: Dave cannot.

1104
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 3: Well just just a biggie back here. I mean, Liam

1105
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 3: Cohen did an unbelievable job last year in Tampa to

1106
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 3: unleash the running game. Now, Bucky every helped. But I

1107
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 3: thought the way that he runs it, the way that

1108
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 3: he attacks the I thought the way that that offensive

1109
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 3: line played together up front, like Traves e. Tan ran

1110
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:33,879
Speaker 3: the ball as well as I've seen him running now

1111
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: in a couple of years, maybe since his rookie year.

1112
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 3: And I thought they were really really tight in their

1113
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 3: combo blocks when they came off to the linebackers, how

1114
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 3: they executed just running inside zones with them. I thought

1115
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 3: that was encouraging. It's just it just started. It's not

1116
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 3: the greatest I thought it was a good start for

1117
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: a team that desperately wants some toughness coming out of

1118
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: the run game, something that they had nothing going for

1119
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 3: it the last two years. So I thought that was

1120
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: a good start for the Jacks.

1121
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll wrap us up here on that one. The

1122
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: you know, that division all of a sudden, which he

1123
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: thought might be the worst division in the NFL. All

1124
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 2: of a sudden, you look up and Indy does what

1125
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: they did, and then you look at Jacksonville who looked

1126
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 2: like they've they've got it going now with a new

1127
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 2: coaching staff and some fun pieces that they've added to

1128
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 2: the mix. Yeah, Houston, don't know less of the Rams

1129
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: on the road. That's a really, really good football team.

1130
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: Houston is going to be good going throughout the season.

1131
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 2: So it looks like that division might end up being

1132
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 2: a little bit better than we initially thought. And then, uh,

1133
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: last thing on on Bryce and the in the Panthers. Yeah, no,

1134
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: I saw some good things from McMillan.

1135
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 4: Buck.

1136
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,399
Speaker 2: I agree with you on that. My man, look gets

1137
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 2: got to freaking get his feet down.

1138
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 3: Man.

1139
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 2: There's there's two big plays in that game where he

1140
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: catches the ball. He's got plenty of time, get your

1141
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: back foot down. He doesn't get it down. Those cost

1142
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: him a couple They had a couple other drops. I

1143
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: didn't think the box score wasn't pretty when I watched

1144
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: the tape. I didn't think Bryce was as bad as

1145
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 2: the box score made it look. It could have been.

1146
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: It could have been a little bit better there. So

1147
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: that was just bad.

1148
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, not as bad as is it made out be

1149
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 4: like it wasn't great, but like it certainly it wasn't

1150
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 4: a terrible performance. Like you can build off of some

1151
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 4: of the things that he displayed.

1152
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, so anyway that look, there's a lot there's a

1153
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 2: lot more games we will we'll get to those tomorrow

1154
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 2: on the show as well as so we'll recap our

1155
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: rookie draft from last week. We'll have our rookie draft

1156
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: for the upcoming week. And I did just find out

1157
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 2: we've got an old friend, Mike Max going to join

1158
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: us on Thursday, so we'll have him on the show

1159
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: ball the Maiden Voyage. Man, I kept you seven minutes

1160
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 2: longer than I was supposed to, but I love you.

1161
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 3: All right, man. I will just put the fine in

1162
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:31,839
Speaker 3: the jar.

1163
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, that's right. Two Starbucks, two Starbucks you

1164
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: next Monday, man, take care of.

1165
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 4: All right, buck.

1166
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 2: As we kind of wrap this thing up here, Uh

1167
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: other other big picture takeaway you've got here from week one.

1168
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 2: As we close this thing down, don't overreact to anything

1169
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: that we saw in week one. You really don't know

1170
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 2: what a team really looks like. And after we see

1171
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 2: about four games.

1172
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 4: I use our scouting take where we take three or

1173
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 4: four games before make evaluations on players. Same thing about teams,

1174
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 4: some guy, Some teams are going to start out slow

1175
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 4: out the box. Other teams are gonna get out fast,

1176
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 4: but we won't know what team really is until we

1177
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:15,439
Speaker 4: get to the quarter point. So fans don't freak out.

1178
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 4: But do know, if you start owing two dods or long,

1179
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 4: you're making the playoffs. So I'm saying, don't freak out,

1180
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 4: but you don't want to be in the in the

1181
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 4: winless column for too long because it will into your

1182
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 4: ability to make it to the postseason.

1183
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to. I want to just do. We'll

1184
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: knock out two more things here as we close up shop.

1185
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: And again thanks to Baldy for joining us. I didn't

1186
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 2: get a chance to talk to you about the Charger

1187
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: game from Friday, so just one point on that. I

1188
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 2: mentioned Justin Herbert a little bit earlier talking about how

1189
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 2: like I think he can get to where Josh Allen is.

1190
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 2: I think he can and if he plays like he

1191
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 2: did in that game, he's there just because that was

1192
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 2: some big boy throws man against that defense, and they've

1193
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,799
Speaker 2: all of a sudden. You look up and Chargers team

1194
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 2: last year that you know, was a little bit void

1195
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 2: of weapons to the point where Will Disley was their

1196
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: number two option in the playoff game. You look up

1197
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 2: and Keenan Allen's back, picking up right where he left

1198
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 2: off with Justin Herbert. You look at Quentin Johnson now

1199
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: as the three, who's getting some advantageous matchups because of

1200
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 2: McConkie and Keenan Allen. And then all of a sudden,

1201
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: Trey Harris, this rookie second round pick, makes a play.

1202
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: Conklin's an upgrade form at tight end. He makes them play.

1203
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: I mean, they got some firepower. Not to mention, you

1204
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 2: got a new backfield with two big, big dudes back there,

1205
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 2: including Hampton, who can go.

1206
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because it is an upgrade in personnel,

1207
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 4: and a lot of times DJ we talked about players

1208
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: and pieces and roles and how important it is to

1209
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 4: be cast in a role that suits your talent. Quentin

1210
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,240
Speaker 4: Johnson man put in a role that suits his talent

1211
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 4: as a guy who is Urkele Thread can do some

1212
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 4: of the things you talk about, Like this guy is

1213
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 4: an accomplished track and field athlete in high school. They

1214
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 4: have him in the right role. Keenan Allen coming back

1215
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 4: being able to be the third down playmaker, the possession

1216
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 4: receiver that just finds a way to consistently pick up

1217
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 4: first thousand. Then McConkie kind of be in the underrated

1218
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 4: number one receiver. But it's so crafty. They have so

1219
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 4: many different things, but at the end of the day,

1220
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 4: the Charges ability to be able to be a physical

1221
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 4: football team because they have upgraded the back through and

1222
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 4: they will be committed to the running game with a

1223
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 4: quarterback that look man Harvard taosseim at every turn, he's

1224
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 4: specially he's a franchise, he's a beast, all the a

1225
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 4: few some of adjectives that he's used to describe. Justin Herbert,

1226
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 4: they have one of those now with what you're saying,

1227
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 4: Herbert just owning those superhero powers and letting them shot

1228
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 4: being okay with being a little more as you say,

1229
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: like Josh Allen, like, wait, man, I'll take over the

1230
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:36,240
Speaker 4: game when I need to. He has all the tools.

1231
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 4: He just refused to kind of crack open the thing

1232
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 4: every now and didn't do it. But hey, man, break

1233
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 4: the piggy bank. Let's let some of that come out,

1234
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 4: because if he does that, the Charge become a bit

1235
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: very dangerous team.

1236
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, including the run there to seal the

1237
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: game with a sweet little baseball slider to wrap that

1238
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 2: game up.

1239
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 4: Mahomes.

1240
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 2: By the way, seeing him down there in person on

1241
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 2: the field before the game, he looks leaner. That's as

1242
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: well as a we're seeing him move. He played really

1243
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 2: really well. I mean they got a little Greek early

1244
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: in the game that cost him in terms of just

1245
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: not taking what was there worth. He goes out, they

1246
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 2: don't you know, have or she rice, so they're shorthanded

1247
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: their offensively. But I thought in terms of some of

1248
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 2: the plays he made, but more so just how he moved,

1249
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: Homes is gonna have a very big year for the

1250
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 2: Kansas City Chiefs. Now quickly, buck go ahead one more

1251
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 2: on that one.

1252
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I was gonna say this It's funny that

1253
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 4: we're seeing that right because I felt like, have mahomes

1254
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 4: look good and there's been a lot of attention on

1255
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 4: what he's done in terms of conditioning, but Dak Prescott too,

1256
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 4: as that's where I was going next, getting lean, getting fit,

1257
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 4: That's being a big part of it. We rarely talk

1258
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 4: about quarterbacks and fitness and conditioning, but it matters, and

1259
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 4: we're seeing some of the best in the business really

1260
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 4: double down on making sure that their bodies are right

1261
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 4: as they hit into the season.

1262
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 2: That's why I was going to go with the last

1263
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 2: one because that was the other game we didn't get

1264
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 2: a chance to visit on and that was the opener

1265
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: with Dallas and Philly. Jalen Hurts, you know, making the

1266
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 2: plays that need to be made, using his legs, whatever

1267
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: it takes. That defense up front is young, fast and physical.

1268
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter doesn't play. I thought that that impacted them

1269
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,320
Speaker 2: for the first half and then they kind of settled

1270
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 2: in defensively. I did think he was interesting when you

1271
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: look at an issue that popped up at corner and

1272
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: they were getting attacked there with a Dori Jackson and

1273
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, Uh, you know we're recording

1274
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,439
Speaker 2: this on a Monday morning. There's reports they were looking

1275
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: at bringing in a Nickel, I think was it Hilton

1276
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 2: with Mike Hilton it was, but bringing in someone that

1277
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: would then Cook kick Cooper Dejene outside. But I mean, look,

1278
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 2: the Eagles aren't. They're not, you know, labeled the smartest

1279
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 2: organization in the NFL for no reason. They know that

1280
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 2: was a problem and they're going to have to try

1281
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: and address that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, here's the thing. I don't think

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Speaker 4: anybody had them the beingo card that the Dory Jackson

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Speaker 4: would be a starting quarterback for the defending champions. Like

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Speaker 4: when you bring him in, you're thinking about veteran depths,

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Speaker 4: ub packages, nickel, dime quarter situations where he comes in

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Speaker 4: as part of a five, six, seven defensive back package.

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Speaker 4: And what they found out quickly is, hey, we can't

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Speaker 4: have him on the island as a one or two

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Speaker 4: kicking Cooper Degene back outside where we've seen him have

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Speaker 4: some success. He can to have success inside. But it

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Speaker 4: makes sense to me, those young athletic corners, did they've

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Speaker 4: invest in it, man, Put them on the field. Let

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Speaker 4: them do it, because they're good enough. Vig FANJOI figure

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Speaker 4: out a way to make sure that they're playing to

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Speaker 4: their stress. This team has it all and even when

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Speaker 4: they didn't have their a game during our coronation night,

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Speaker 4: there's still plenty good enough to be able to win

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Speaker 4: and that is scared for the rest of the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get to it later in the week. I

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Speaker 2: think Mayock, We're gonna have mayok on to talk a

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Speaker 2: lot about that Chiefs Eagles game that's coming up. But

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Speaker 2: that's gonna be a lot of fun to watch that

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Speaker 2: contest coming up this next weekend. But what a great

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Speaker 2: weekend of football. One more game tonight. We will discuss

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Speaker 2: that on tomorrow show as well as RHTT rejoins us.

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Speaker 2: We'll do the rookie draft. We'll hit on these games

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Speaker 2: we did not hit on today. But man, what a

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Speaker 2: treat having Baldi with us on Mondays. It's just it's

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Speaker 2: next level.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: It's fun to be able to dive into these games.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Baldy's great.

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Speaker 4: He's terrific when it comes to like taking what he's

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Speaker 4: able to see on film and explain it. I just

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Speaker 4: love that conversation, I think, and that only makes us smart.

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Speaker 4: I think it makes everyone who listens in smarter because

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Speaker 4: that's a real ball conversation.

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Speaker 2: If you've made it all the way to the end

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Speaker 2: the episode today, than than you enjoyed it. And if

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Speaker 2: you did enjoy it, I would encourage you to leave

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Speaker 2: us a rating, leave us a review. We don't ask

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Speaker 2: you to do that very often. We've been doing this

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Speaker 2: show for over a decade, but every now and then,

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Speaker 2: liket hermind. Folks, Hey little let's help get the word

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Speaker 2: out there. This is a it's a fun show to

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Speaker 2: be a part of. It's a it's a fun show

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Speaker 2: to do. Hopefully it's a fun show to listen to

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Speaker 2: as well. We will see it tomorrow right here on

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Speaker 2: Move the sticks.

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Speaker 3: H