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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Zigura.

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Speaker 2: All right, still live on a reaction Monday, Cleveland Brown's

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Speaker 2: Daily beerly Bo the Great Z. It is cold, but

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Speaker 2: not as cold as you were yesterday, my friend. So

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Speaker 2: I'm listening in the fourth quarter, and of course we'll

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Speaker 2: get to the game half Joe Thomas half hour of

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Speaker 2: the program coming up in the second hour. You'll hear

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Speaker 2: from coach as well, and we'll talk about it. But

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Speaker 2: I'm driving from youth basketball. In the four fourth quarter,

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Speaker 2: I'm listening to you and Andrew on the call, and

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Speaker 2: because I've been where you're at, and I've had to

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Speaker 2: do things in that temperature before, and I could tell

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Speaker 2: that your mouths were frozen like it was because it

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Speaker 2: had become very difficult to speak in a nice I

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Speaker 2: had such an amount of empathy from the circumstances, all

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Speaker 2: of them that you were in, but just how cold

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Speaker 2: it was. And then when Gibbey sent us sent me

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Speaker 2: the picture in our group chat of what you were

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Speaker 2: dealing with from a radio studio perspective or not studio,

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Speaker 2: but like bunker that you were in. It's like there

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Speaker 2: was no way to get out of it.

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Speaker 3: And we would have liked to have been in the

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Speaker 3: studio here calling it off of the team for sure,

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Speaker 3: you would.

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Speaker 2: Have, for sure you would have. Yeah, that had to

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Speaker 2: be as cold, so pretty close. I mean Saints here

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Speaker 2: is probably still colder, but.

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Speaker 4: Not in our booth, not in the booth, not in

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Speaker 4: the mouth our booth. And we had some of the

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Speaker 4: window open that day. If if I have it right, Gibby,

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Speaker 4: don't we leave like a little crack in the middle.

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Speaker 3: We had two of the three windows in and we

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Speaker 3: just had little like to get the antennas out, the

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Speaker 4: Mic and our heaters work well. Yeah, like I mean,

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Speaker 4: it was still cold. When you get a gust, it

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Speaker 4: would hit you. But it wasn't like I had to

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Speaker 4: wear gloves and handwarmers the entire game. I had my

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Speaker 4: feet in fur lined boots, yep, big wool socks and

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Speaker 4: tow warmers in on the top end bottom of my feet.

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Speaker 4: By the end of the game, I couldn't feel my feet.

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Speaker 4: Sillyanno could barely walk out of the booth. Max Starks,

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Speaker 4: who played offensive line for the Steelers, was in the

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Speaker 4: I was like, is your guys is like floor heater

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Speaker 4: working and they're like no. He's like, this is the

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Speaker 4: most He's that I never should agree to this. This

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Speaker 4: is the most miserable conditions I've ever.

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Speaker 2: Called the game.

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Speaker 4: And then I did the pregame TV before Yeah, our

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Speaker 4: first hit I was I thought I was gonna freeze

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Speaker 4: keep moving around so much? I said, because if I don't,

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Speaker 4: I might I might freeze. Yeah, like, I'm trying to

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Speaker 4: stay here. You say, top dove, top dog. So he

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Speaker 4: after the first segment, I'm like, listen, I've got to

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Speaker 4: move because the wind was whipping and so the way

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Speaker 4: then the rest. They built that spaceship so it kind

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Speaker 4: it comes right down the visiting sideline, which is right

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Speaker 4: where I was. Oh, I see and just whipping and

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Speaker 4: the feet, fur line boots, like for these conditions, the

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Speaker 4: big wool socks, the warmers.

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Speaker 2: You were prepared.

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Speaker 4: Nothing that what I really needed to be out in

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Speaker 4: the open. There was face covering, but how could I

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Speaker 4: So then I ended up doing the rest of them

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Speaker 2: It was unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: It was unbelievable at the end of I mean, when

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Speaker 2: Unfortunate it took forever to get home.

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Speaker 4: Well, I took a shower, a hot shower, and like

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Speaker 4: I could feel in the tips of my toes like

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Speaker 4: Ciliano has been in the elements, he's hiked big mountains, yeah,

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Speaker 4: and all of that. And he said that was as

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Speaker 2: Maybe we have frostbite. I don't think we have frostbite,

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Speaker 2: but it's not great.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it was so cold, and it's funny you

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Speaker 4: really get a sense of people's breath, not the smell

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Speaker 2: Sure it was. It was a wild scene in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just miserable. And then what what played out on that

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Speaker 4: Now, Gibbet did on his So there was one vent

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Speaker 4: in the thing that was basically right over Gibbet's head.

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Speaker 2: And so Gibbe and Mac.

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Speaker 4: Were like sweating up there. They're not even wearing like,

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Speaker 4: they didn't of me to wear beanies, any gloves.

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Speaker 2: They're Jim carry dummy, dumb and dumber. I could have

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, they could have but wearing I had a

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Speaker 2: But the worm was hitting.

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Speaker 3: Mag Robinson's like, hey, I got a bag of toe warmers.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they sold you a faulty bag. Did

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Speaker 3: you buy those on a street? Corn didn't take at

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Speaker 2: They were not in my.

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Speaker 3: Toes, No me neither.

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Speaker 4: It was funny because you know, at halftime, I went

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so anything that was coming.

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Speaker 4: Down behind us was going behind us, like it wasn't

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Speaker 4: really was like this is the year twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 4: Like I'm not being like this. We're supposed to be

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Speaker 4: indoors in a boot like it. They're absurd conditions. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: right right, the dome will be so welcomed. And Maxtar's like,

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Speaker 4: I can't wait for the build down here in Chicago,

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Speaker 4: like this is ridiculous. Yeah, and I never want to

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Speaker 3: Where's employees are counting down the days. They're like, we

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Speaker 3: just need to get it figured out, where's it going

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Speaker 2: Is it's something how they because it wasn't that long

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Speaker 2: ago that they put that spaceship on that thing? Is

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Speaker 2: it twenty years ago?

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Speaker 3: I was living in Illinois. I had to cover the

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Speaker 3: Bears when they played in Champagne.

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Speaker 2: So what year would have that been?

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Speaker 3: Two thousand and two, two thousand and three?

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Speaker 2: I was there and it was still old Soldier Field

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Speaker 2: at that time without the spaceship, Like that thing's not

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Speaker 2: that thing. Oh yeah, and to not land the plane

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Speaker 2: on her in this instance the spaceship is crazy. This

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Speaker 2: is what I want to ask you both. Well, this

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Speaker 2: is what I want to ask you. It's a lot

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Speaker 2: of bad football wise, it's a ton of bad yesterday,

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Speaker 2: and with three games left to go, how do we

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Speaker 2: go about defining success week in and week out? What

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Speaker 2: are we what are we looking for here? Other than

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Speaker 2: obviously Miles, I mean that speaks for itself. Go go

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Speaker 2: get that sack title, and that's something to be celebrated

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Speaker 2: and applauded and championed and all of that. And there's

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Speaker 2: some things here and there, But like, how do we

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Speaker 2: define a successful Sunday now with where we're at.

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Speaker 4: It's hard, Unfortunately, it's it's very hard because our offense

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Speaker 4: is in just such shambles right now, and specifically, the

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Speaker 4: hard to understand what you're gonna you know, how you're

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Speaker 4: going to do it. I mean, the reality is this,

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Speaker 4: These final three games are all about Sanders.

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Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.

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Speaker 4: But right now we have an offensive line that can't

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Speaker 4: protect the quarterback. We have an offensive line that I mean,

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Speaker 4: poor Quinchahn Judkins gets in the backfield.

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Speaker 2: It feels like every play he has more.

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Speaker 4: He has the highest percentage of his total rushing yards

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Speaker 4: And it's getting worse, Like it's starting to get more.

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Speaker 4: I mean, this game was as longest run we had

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Speaker 4: fourteen designed runs in the longest run.

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Speaker 2: Of the day was forty yards.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's impossible, It's almost impossible. Yep, that's to

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Speaker 4: me that's all it is. That's all it is, and

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Speaker 4: it's finding out if any of these guys on this

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Speaker 2: It's even hard with Shador, much as it was hard

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Speaker 2: with Dylan because of everything else, Like it's difficult to no,

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Speaker 2: it's just offensively, it's a real mess and there's nothing.

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Speaker 2: There's not much you can hang your hand on. Early

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Speaker 2: in the season. We can hang our hat on Quinn

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Speaker 2: Seawan and and there would be some explosive plays there

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Speaker 2: when in sure hit Isaiah a couple of deep ones

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Speaker 2: and that allows you a little bit of spark and fun.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of sustainable things you can count on

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Speaker 2: offensively outside of Harold Fannin right now, there just really

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Speaker 2: isn't no it is. It's tough, but that's you know.

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Speaker 4: Listen, if you to be a true franchise quarterback, you

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Speaker 4: have to be an elevator of everything around you. Now,

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Speaker 4: these might be impossible circumstances by which to do that.

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Speaker 4: I acknowledge that, and I am a big Shador fan

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Speaker 4: and I want to see it happen because I think

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Speaker 4: we have so many needs at the idea that we

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Speaker 4: can get these two first round picks and use them

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Speaker 4: at you know, get a stud receiver and get a tackle.

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Speaker 4: I think is great. Now, if there's a quarterback that

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Speaker 4: they absolutely love, you take them. I mean, that's just

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Speaker 4: the way. That's the way that this business works, and

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Speaker 4: that's the way that it should work. But that's all

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Speaker 4: that this is about. Can can he have some more

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Speaker 4: good performances? And the crazy thing is, you know, it

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Speaker 4: was tough sledding out there, and he still made unbelievable

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Speaker 4: throws while getting hit to Isaiah Bond. You know, that kid,

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Speaker 4: I think is a real player. I thought that from

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Speaker 4: Schador's stat line looks a lot better if that ball

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Speaker 4: think they didn't even have Romaduonza. No, that's true. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think we're gonna sack you unforeth down too bad

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Speaker 2: And also it's like with seven in the over unders competition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's not a whole lot positive here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he was one nineteen going in, so one thirty

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. He plays so hard and well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: That Graham Dellinger. Those first time he's ever played in

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Speaker 2: It's really wild. It's really wild. Yeah, So it's it's difficult.

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Speaker 2: that's kind of morphed into who we are and then

436
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Speaker 2: conversely who we were, and a lot of our guys

437
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 2: are down. There's all of it, and the defense on

438
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,359
Speaker 2: the field constantly like I get it, but we're not

439
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 2: quite the same as we were a month ago defensively either.

440
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 2: And Malie Collins is a big part of that, I'm sure. Obviously,

441
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 2: no Denzel word doesn't help, and among others. But yeah,

442
00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:10,440
Speaker 2: it's just the season's gotten very long, yep, very.

443
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Speaker 4: Long, and it does. There's not really a good end

444
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 4: in sight to it is the unfortunate part about it.

445
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Speaker 4: You know, we've got Miles which was exciting. You've got

446
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:23,400
Speaker 4: hopefully Shador you know, playing better going forward and doing

447
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Speaker 4: some of the things that we saw him do in

448
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Speaker 4: that game against Tennessee, and even something he made some

449
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 4: really good throws in this game. I would feel a

450
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Speaker 4: lot better, obviously if Jerry Judy catch that it's a

451
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Speaker 4: Touchdowd and say, okay, all right, like it wasn't our

452
00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,720
Speaker 4: best performance. Clearly wasn't his best performance. Clearly that's okay,

453
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Speaker 4: But that would have at least been a little something

454
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,240
Speaker 4: that you could you could build on, something that you

455
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:47,400
Speaker 4: would be happy with, and unfortunately not. You know, it

456
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Speaker 4: is it's a tough watch too. I say it all

457
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Speaker 4: the time. You know, the Tennessee game was a heck

458
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Speaker 4: of a lot more we lost, same as this counts

459
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Speaker 4: exactly the same, yep. But Tennie game was fun because

460
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Speaker 4: we scored a lot. You go back to the Denver

461
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Speaker 4: game Monday night football jamis we lost, but we scored

462
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Speaker 4: a lot.

463
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Speaker 2: It was a lot more fun to watch.

464
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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is.

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Speaker 4: Just that was not that was a tough game. Tough environment,

466
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Speaker 4: and it was one of those I think when the

467
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Speaker 4: environment's that bad.

468
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Speaker 2: That you mean like temperature wise, Yeah, environment.

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Speaker 4: I think it's also when you after a while, just

470
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Speaker 4: like I think your will gets hurt a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean anything in anything in that temp isn't fun,

472
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Speaker 2: let alone being beaten. How was the crowd full, good,

473
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Speaker 2: full and locked in?

474
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

475
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were good to go.

476
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Speaker 3: You know, there were a lot of We've met a

477
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Speaker 3: ton of Browns fans at our hotel Saturday night. Really,

478
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Speaker 3: I had gone to dinner with the with the with

479
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Speaker 3: Mac and Clay and Gerrod, and we came back and

480
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Speaker 3: we're talking to Ashby and the lobby and some guy

481
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Speaker 3: walks in. He's like Gibby and the g man you

482
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Speaker 3: thought was the man?

483
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Speaker 2: Oh that's great.

484
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Speaker 3: Uh the name was Joe and I think his father

485
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Speaker 3: in law was Mike. He's like, I live in southern Indiana. Yeah,

486
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Speaker 3: He's like, we booked this game, Like when we on

487
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Speaker 3: the schedule, I thought the weather might be a little

488
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Speaker 3: bit better.

489
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

490
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's like, we're here, we're going. There were

491
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Speaker 3: a ton of Browns fans are everywhere.

492
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Speaker 2: Man, But it's just it's just and it.

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Speaker 3: Sucks that that's what that's what they got yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you have a good meal Saturday night?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

497
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Speaker 2: I went out with Beatbox and oh yeah, boy Baby Dolls.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We had a We had a nice time, went to Joe's.

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Speaker 2: It was very good.

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Speaker 4: It was very odd that on a Saturday night in Chicago,

502
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Speaker 4: like at a very nice place, the table immediately next

503
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Speaker 4: to us, which was not a great location for them

504
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Speaker 4: or for us for that matter, was an eight top

505
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Speaker 4: of the oldest kids ranging from six to twelve.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, hold on a second. All right, so this

507
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Speaker 2: is like a white tablecloth joint. Yes, this is not

508
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Speaker 2: a cheapisode. So it's a white tablecloth joint in Chicago.

509
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Speaker 2: You're seated, yes, and the table next to you is

510
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Speaker 2: an eight top of nothing but children, No adults anywhere.

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Speaker 7: No.

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Speaker 4: Then there was I think the I think there were

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Speaker 4: three tables that were together, and the other two tables

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Speaker 4: we were surrounded by tables that had parents and younger kids,

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Speaker 4: parents and kids, and then there was one that was

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Speaker 4: just all kids.

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Speaker 2: And who were the parents of the kids. I have

518
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Speaker 2: no idea they were. So their play was the adults

519
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 2: are like kind of like a family Christmas like the

520
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Speaker 2: adults table.

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Speaker 3: Here the little kids like like ice skating in the air.

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Speaker 2: There were kids at even the tables with the adults.

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Speaker 4: I just think there were a lot of kids. And yeah, this,

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Speaker 4: the one right directly by us, was an a top

525
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Speaker 4: of nothing, but children ages.

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Speaker 2: Were what six to twelve?

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Speaker 5: Maybe?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's outright certifiable.

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Speaker 6: That's no.

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Speaker 2: I've never no, you can't do that. That's crazy. Like

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Speaker 2: if if you had one ten year old and everybody

532
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Speaker 2: else was like fifteen to seventeen, fine, their high school

533
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Speaker 2: kids and the parents over there like little kids at

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Speaker 2: a table is nuts. And also in a restaurant like

535
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Speaker 2: the parents hit up Portillo's man like come on, what

536
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Speaker 2: are we doing? I don't know that's a win for anybody.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Lots to get you on the program, A

538
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 2: crazy day in the National Football League on Sunday, including

539
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Speaker 2: the end of an era, at least this era down

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Speaker 2: in Kansas City, and as I mentioned, the Joe Thomas

541
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Speaker 2: half hour of the program as well, speaking of ends

542
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Speaker 2: of an air and odd one in WWE and I

543
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Speaker 2: don't even follow it, but I know you'll probably have

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Speaker 2: some thoughts on that as well, So we'll get to

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Speaker 2: that coming up a little bit later on coming up next,

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Speaker 2: Coach from the podium. Those are your hot topics today

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Speaker 2: ultimate game Day. Here's your head Coach, Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 7: Okay, injury front really only updaten is Tevin Jenkins is

564
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 7: day to day with that shoulder injury, so we'll see

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Speaker 7: how he responds to the next forty eight hours or

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Speaker 7: so as we get ready for the week. Obviously, that

567
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 7: ballgame is disappointing to start that way. You're down fourteen

568
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Speaker 7: to nothing in the first quarter and then trying to

569
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Speaker 7: dig out of that hole, and that's hard to do

570
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 7: on the road versus a good football team. So we

571
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Speaker 7: came up short. We got to own that and watch

572
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Speaker 7: the tape and look at it and learn from it

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Speaker 7: and you know, find a way to correct some of

574
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Speaker 7: those things that happened early in the game so you

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Speaker 7: can be in that game and give yourself a chance

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Speaker 7: to win that game.

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Speaker 5: So that's our focus. But I'll take any questions you

578
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Speaker 5: guys got.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Kevin, after watching the film, what were your impressions

580
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 8: of Shouldar how we played.

581
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, obviously some good throws down the field, made some

582
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 7: explosive plays. There's definitely plays that he wants back that

583
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 7: he can be better, whether it's a decision or a

584
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 7: ball or those type of things. But I thought he

585
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Speaker 7: fought till the end and has the right attitude that

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Speaker 7: he'll just keep learning from all of these experiences.

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Speaker 8: In those two interceptions, not the one to Jerry, the

588
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Speaker 8: other two. What did you see on those? Was the

589
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 8: first one a good play by the defense? Or should

590
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Speaker 8: he see the guy dropping there?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's always I think you learn from all those

592
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 7: scott and at times you tip your cap to the

593
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Speaker 7: defense and you say they made a play, And other

594
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 7: times you talk to the quarterback. Hey, you could be footwork,

595
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 7: could be who you're keying, could be decision, all those things.

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Speaker 7: So I do think you have to give them credit

597
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 7: and say that they're making plays. But I think how

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Speaker 7: you how we coach our guys is, hey, next time

599
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Speaker 7: we did it, here's some things that we would do differently.

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00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 7: But obviously that's that's going against a good defense that

601
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 7: takes the ball away.

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Speaker 5: You know, you got to give them credit as well.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Kevin, after you know, after a sort of a

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Speaker 9: blowout loss like that, and where you guys stand with

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Speaker 9: everything right now, have you been given any assurances by

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Speaker 9: management that you know that your job has saved, has

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Speaker 9: is safe, or anything like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I don't get into those type of things, Mary Kay.

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Speaker 7: I would just tell you my focus, our football team's

611
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 7: focus is solely on the Buffalo bills and obviously watching

612
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 7: the tape today that that's our focus.

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Speaker 5: But that's all we really care about.

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Speaker 9: So you haven't asked for for anything like that, for

615
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 9: you know, any kind of a vote of confidence that

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Speaker 9: you'll be able to continue on after this or anything.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not going to get in those type of things, Mary, Kay,

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Speaker 5: not my focus.

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Speaker 10: Vin I wanted to ask for a clarification on what

620
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Speaker 10: happened with Shindora's wristband yesterday after after you went up

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Speaker 10: a quodium. He said that a card fell out, but

622
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Speaker 10: the sideline order for Fox said that their cards were

623
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Speaker 10: being swapped out.

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Speaker 5: Like you kind of just provide some clarity.

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Speaker 10: It seems like two different answers from you guys.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, what happened was the obviously had the wristband. It

627
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Speaker 7: was good on the first drive. At some point after

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Speaker 7: the first drive, one of the cards must have fallen

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Speaker 7: out of Shador's wristband. So when he went to that

630
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Speaker 7: panel to look forward it wasn't in there. Obviously grabbed it.

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Speaker 7: You know, we have Bailey on the sideline, have Dylan

632
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Speaker 7: on the sideline where he can swap out and grab

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Speaker 7: their wristband, so you always have to be prepared for

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00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 7: those type of things. You have to be prepared for

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Speaker 7: if the headset goes out. You have to have those

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Speaker 7: automatics that you have to get to if the headset

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Speaker 7: goes out. And similarly, while that's very rare, you have

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Speaker 7: to be ready if something like that.

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Speaker 5: Were to occur.

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Speaker 10: And that's the reason why he had to kind of

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Speaker 10: get the call from you on the from that one play.

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Speaker 5: Like I guess the headset had gone out at that point, right,

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00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 5: that's right exactly, So just I was given him the

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Speaker 5: wristband number.

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Speaker 7: But like I said, the head the coach of quarterback

646
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Speaker 7: wasn't out, so you can still you can still communicate

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Speaker 7: that way until fifteen seconds.

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Speaker 11: Kevin, with all the injuries you have on your offensive line,

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Speaker 11: I don't know if any of those guys will be back.

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Speaker 11: But how do you prepare a game plan knowing that

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Speaker 11: your line is not what you hoped it would be.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't look at it necessarily that way, Jeff.

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Speaker 7: We just the guys who are available come Sunday, we

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Speaker 7: go to battle with them, and we work really hard

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Speaker 7: during the week to make sure we have contingency plans

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Speaker 7: and guys are ready to go. Backups stay ready and

657
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Speaker 7: that's what we do well.

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Speaker 11: Then how does that affect your run blocking it yesterday

659
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Speaker 11: in particular?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I would just tell you anybody who's in there,

661
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Speaker 7: we trust them to get their jobs done, and we

662
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Speaker 7: as coaches are always thinking about ways that we can

663
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Speaker 7: put our guys in positions to have success.

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Speaker 12: Kevin kind of off of that. Similar with the offensive

665
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Speaker 12: line in particular, the injuries that you have, how does

666
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Speaker 12: that maybe change the way that you are able to

667
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Speaker 12: evaluate different positions outside of just the offensive line. I

668
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Speaker 12: know that these are things that come with the game,

669
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Speaker 12: but when you're trying to evaluate the production level of

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Speaker 12: a running back or a quarterback, like, how do you

671
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Speaker 12: navigate that with maybe a line that's not full of

672
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Speaker 12: starters that you typically would have.

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I think again, for us, cam is the guys that

675
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Speaker 7: are in there, we trust them. We're focused on the

676
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Speaker 7: game that's in front of us. We're worried about getting

677
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Speaker 7: production in the next ballgame, not so worried about evaluation

678
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Speaker 7: quote unquote. We're just trying to make sure that we

679
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Speaker 7: give our guys a chance in every one of these

680
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Speaker 7: ball games.

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Speaker 12: And then when you're looking for that production for that

682
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Speaker 12: next week. When you have games where Jerry Judy doesn't

683
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Speaker 12: come down with that ball, obviously, want him to hold

684
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Speaker 12: himself accountable, want to hold him accountable. What does that

685
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Speaker 12: look like in terms of making sure it doesn't spiral

686
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Speaker 12: into something and trying to but while still maybe holding

687
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Speaker 12: play is accountable for things that happen on the football field.

688
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think our players understand this game. It's a

689
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Speaker 7: sixty minute game, and there's plays in every game that

690
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Speaker 7: you're going to want back from a coaching perspective, from

691
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Speaker 7: a playing perspective, all we ask and what our guys

692
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Speaker 7: give is everything they got. Not to say that we're

693
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Speaker 7: going to be perfect, but we'll just keep fighting when

694
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Speaker 7: there's time in the clock.

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Speaker 10: I also wanted to ask about the pressure rate and

696
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Speaker 10: Chard's four stars. I think it's at forty three percent,

697
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Speaker 10: which is, you know, top two in the NFL. Obviously,

698
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Speaker 10: like the offensive line has gone through a lot of changes,

699
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Speaker 10: injuries and whatnot. But when you're looking at it, like

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Speaker 10: how much is falling on the offensive line, how much

701
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Speaker 10: is it guys not you know, separating early enough, how

702
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Speaker 10: much is it holding onto the ball? Like, what are

703
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Speaker 10: you seeing that's resulting in the highest pressure rate in

704
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Speaker 10: the NFL and its four starts.

705
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Speaker 7: Yeah, again, I think it goes back to each one

706
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Speaker 7: of these games presents different challenges, each different, Each defense

707
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 7: is different and how they're playing the game, how they

708
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Speaker 7: deploy fronts, how they deploy deploy coverages, if you will.

709
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Speaker 7: So we're focused on trying to give our guys a

710
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Speaker 7: game plan that we can go execute, play fast, and

711
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Speaker 7: go find a way to score points. And there's gonna

712
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Speaker 7: be varying factors to each one of those games, whether

713
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Speaker 7: it's the opponent, whether it's guys that are available or unavailable,

714
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Speaker 7: and we just got to do our jobs and give

715
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Speaker 7: our guys a game plan to go let them play fast.

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Speaker 10: So there hasn't been like a commonality or a common

717
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Speaker 10: link that you've seen in shure as four starts that

718
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Speaker 10: can you know that that you kind of focus on

719
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Speaker 10: in terms of, you know, limiting the pressure rates.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, obviously, our our focus for our passing game is

721
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Speaker 7: to keep the quarterback clean and obviously get.

722
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Speaker 5: The ball out on time.

723
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Speaker 7: There's various ways and various play types to get into

724
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Speaker 7: Daniel to try to mitigate pass rush, but it's so

725
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Speaker 7: dependent on the team you're playing and the challenges that

726
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Speaker 7: they present.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Kevin, just wondering with Bill Musgrave talking to us

728
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Speaker 9: about how Deshaun kind of stepped up last week. He

729
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 9: took on some scout team and some other things like that.

730
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Speaker 9: As you guys move closer through that twenty one day window,

731
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Speaker 9: are you getting ready to or you know, put him

732
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Speaker 9: on the fifty three man roster anytime soon?

733
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: I would say not my focus, Mary Kay for right now.

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Speaker 7: I'm very, very pleased with the progress that Deshaun's making

736
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Speaker 7: on the field.

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Speaker 5: In the classroom, He's doing a really good job.

738
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Speaker 8: Hey, Kevin, do you expect any of the guys that

739
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Speaker 8: didn't play Sunday due to injuries to be able to

740
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Speaker 8: go this week?

741
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Speaker 7: I'm hopeful on some of these guys, Scott, but not

742
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Speaker 7: entirely sure yet. I think we got to get through

743
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Speaker 7: the next couple days, see how everybody's responding to some

744
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Speaker 7: of the rehab that we're doing, and I'll have a

745
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 7: better answer for you on Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

747
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Speaker 8: And then with the run game, it hasn't been consistent

748
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Speaker 8: throughout through Writer's been good day weeks and bad weeks.

749
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Speaker 5: One of the bad.

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Speaker 8: Ones is yesterday. Have you been able to identify just

751
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Speaker 8: why it hasn't had the consistency I'm sure you're looking for.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, I wish it was one thing and

753
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 7: you could fix one thing. But we just in order

754
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 7: to have success via the air or the ground, you

755
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 7: have to, you know, you have to be really sound

756
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 7: and everything you're doing, and it's on us as coaches.

757
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 7: Give these guys a plan that they can go execute.

758
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 7: And then obviously, you know you want to give your

759
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 7: guys put them in advantageous positions. Sometimes you're going to

760
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 7: go up against good defenses and that type of thing.

761
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Speaker 7: But that is definitely a focus for us, is finding

762
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Speaker 7: a way to be efficient and explosive.

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Speaker 5: On the ground.

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Speaker 11: Kevin, what are the challenges for you as a head

765
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Speaker 11: coach to keep your players playing hard in a season

766
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Speaker 11: when you guys are now three and eleven.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, obviously we know what our record is. We understand

768
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Speaker 7: that we don't hide from that.

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Speaker 5: You own it. But we also know how important this

770
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Speaker 5: game is to us and.

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Speaker 7: The work that has to go into it each week

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Speaker 7: and what we pour into it each week. The payoff

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Speaker 7: is going out there on Sunday and playing and coaching

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Speaker 7: so we get where we are not going to hide

775
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 7: from that, but uh, that's not you know, part of

776
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Speaker 7: what we do is going to compete and that'll never change.

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Speaker 10: Hey, Devan, Like when you when you look at these

778
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Speaker 10: four stars, it seems like teams have been kind of

779
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Speaker 10: reluctant to blitz him. And maybe that's because of what

780
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Speaker 10: he showed in that Raiders game, eating the cover zero

781
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Speaker 10: blots and stuff like that.

782
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Speaker 2: But they're playing a.

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Speaker 10: Ton of zone zone coverages. So what has maybe given

784
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Speaker 10: him and the offense struggle when facing those zone coverages?

785
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Speaker 10: And what do you have to be better at in

786
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Speaker 10: terms of executing in the past game against still zone coverages,

787
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Speaker 10: And maybe why are teams playing like, you know, almost

788
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Speaker 10: fifty percent zone coverage against Simmons instead of you know,

789
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Speaker 10: blitz in.

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Speaker 5: Your thank I can't speak to the why.

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Speaker 7: I would just tell you in the past game, whether

792
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 7: it's man, whether it's zone, whether it's one high, two high, blitz, noow,

793
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 7: blitz and blitz all the above. Obviously, we have to

794
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,240
Speaker 7: be on the same page in all areas, whether it's protection,

795
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Speaker 7: whether it's routes, run, decision making, uh, you name it.

796
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Speaker 5: So we're working very hard. Certainly, it's to get.

797
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 7: Everybody in those areas and when you're going up against

798
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Speaker 7: zone defense and again various types of zone, but when

799
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Speaker 7: you're going up against zone defense, you have to be

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Speaker 7: great in those zones and at your route depth that

801
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Speaker 7: where you're supposed to be in quarterbacks making great decisions

802
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 7: versus those zones. So it's it's a multifaceted to have

803
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Speaker 7: success versus zone in the past game.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, Kevin, just wondering. You talked a little bit about

805
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Speaker 9: this after the game yesterday, but you you kind of

806
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Speaker 9: alluded to the fact that a rookie quarterback is going

807
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Speaker 9: to have maybe a game like this, or it's going

808
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Speaker 9: to have some setbacks and it's not always just going

809
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Speaker 9: to be an upward trajectory when you're developing these young guys.

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Speaker 9: So just wanted you to address that notion a little bit.

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Speaker 9: And you know, was a game like this maybe expected

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Speaker 9: or you know, did you anticipate it?

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Speaker 2: And why is it?

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Speaker 9: Why is the earth not why is the sky not

815
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Speaker 9: falling after something.

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Speaker 5: Like that, Yes, sky's not falling. I think with.

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Speaker 7: Young players, Mary Kay, there's there's growing and there's there's

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Speaker 7: learning that happens, and you know, look at his for

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Speaker 7: I don't care what the position is. But look at

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Speaker 7: history in terms of young players, and sometimes there's moments

821
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Speaker 7: that that aren't going to go your way and you

822
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Speaker 7: learn from those. So that's no different for any position,

823
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 7: no different for Shador versus any other player. There's going

824
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Speaker 7: to be really good games. There's any games you want back.

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00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 7: There's many plays you want back, you know, great play.

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Speaker 7: So I look at it for a young player to

827
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 7: be able to go into a really tough spot, have

828
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Speaker 7: some really good moments, some moments that you want back.

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Speaker 7: We'll learn from those, we'll grow from those, and we'll

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Speaker 7: be better from those. Okay, thank you guys.

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Speaker 2: of an era in the AFC.

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00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 4: It is, and I think that that is a huge

875
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: That's probably the biggest thing. The other that I would

876
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 4: point to is May we haven't talked about the Denver Broncos.

877
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 2: Enough.

878
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 4: That's a quality win against a very good Green Bay

879
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 4: Packers team.

880
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 2: The game was I thought Green Bay was gonna win it.

881
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 2: Patrick Sirtan makes a play on an interception where Jordan

882
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: Love has Christian wattson. I want to say it was

883
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 2: Watson deep. He's got him deep. Patrick Sirtan is tracking

884
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: him step first step, he goes over the top and

885
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: grabs it and as he falls to the ground he

886
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: holds onto it. Interception. Christian Watson goes down, hurts his

887
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: shoulder on that play and he's done. And it was

888
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 2: like a sliding doors if you complete that because the

889
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: green I want to say green Bay had the lead

890
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: at the time of the throw and they were going

891
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: to drive. They were that would have taken him well

892
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: into Denver territory and maybe gone up two scores, and

893
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden that happens, and then Denver

894
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 2: goes right back down. That was a really good game.

895
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: Loved through a couple of picks, but the play by

896
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,839
Speaker 2: Sirtan was pretty remarkable. Their defense is unbelievable, and nixt

897
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: made some great throws. But that goes to my earlier

898
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: point about the end of an era. And so in

899
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 2: the AFC, there's one sheriff that's going to be standing,

900
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: and it's going to be Josh Allen because Burrow and

901
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 2: Kansas City or Cincinnati have long been done. Lamar Jackson.

902
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: Now they did beat Cincinnati twenty four to nothing. But

903
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: they're hanging on by a thread, yep. And now Mahomes

904
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: is out and so if not now when for Josh Allen.

905
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: So you're right about that, and I think there is

906
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: a Houston right now as looks like gangbusters.

907
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: They're starting to score. In addition to playing lights out defense,

908
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: you've got Denver, Well, they got healthy, like Nico's healthy,

909
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: and now CJ's spinning it like they got a little

910
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: bit of run game with Marks and they're like that.

911
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 2: It takes a lot, yeah, to make these things work totally.

912
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 4: And then the other thing was, you know, big storyline

913
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: yesterday was if it were not four, and it's kind

914
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 4: of sad that it happened, because honestly, it would be.

915
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 4: It would probably have been Mahomes would have been first.

916
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 4: This would have been the second thing that we talked about.

917
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: But if it were not for a pretty bad penalty

918
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 4: that allowed for a fifty six yard walkoff field goal,

919
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: Philip Rivers would have come off the street and, not

920
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 4: having played in the NFL in years, thrown a touchdown

921
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 4: and led the Colts to a win in Seattle over

922
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: a very good Seattle team.

923
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 2: He looked exactly as you would expect a man in

924
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 2: his mid forties who has a grandchild and his coaching

925
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: high school football, but has immense talent and is obviously

926
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: mentally as sharp as attack yep, and knows exactly where

927
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: the ball needed to go all of the time. It

928
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 2: reminded me. I watched quite a bit of this. It's

929
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: crazy reminded me a lot of the lat that run

930
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: that Manning had in Denver when he didn't have the

931
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 2: whip yep and he had to so anticipate, remember that

932
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: he had to like throw it like they do, like

933
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: two steps into a route, and he would put it

934
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: out there and then they would run the rest of

935
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: the route and run under it. It was a little

936
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: bit like that to where he just obviously couldn't drive

937
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 2: the ball anymore, like he's just not in football shape anymore,

938
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: and he just couldn't. But he knew the answers to

939
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: the test. He had a crazy one where he like

940
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: he's trying to like avoid the rush and he falls down.

941
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: He gets back up, but he played the NFL game.

942
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: He played in an NFL game, he played well enough

943
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: for them to win. Yes, he set him up on

944
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: a game and they really should have. He was so

945
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 2: excited when they hit the field goal, and it was like,

946
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 2: my god, did that just happen? Like Stichen's going crazy,

947
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 2: like everything's happening. And then you know, Seattle's able to

948
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 2: as he passes the shaheed and then he hit the

949
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: walk off from fifty six.

950
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

951
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 4: By the way, the idea that in a game you'd

952
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 4: have a back to back sixty and a fifty six

953
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 4: like it's nothing that's kicking is fundamentally changed so much.

954
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's there is no such thing as

955
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 2: a I don't even know what the distance would be

956
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 2: on one that's not There was one in the Abubrey

957
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 2: missed fifty two last night, and it was they were and.

958
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 6: It was missed.

959
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: That was the storyline even approv Yeah, now there was

960
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: one that was That benefited me greatly, Yes, Carolina.

961
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 4: So you don't say, yeah, that's a horrible loss for them.

962
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: Oh dude, did you did you see what how it happened? Horrible?

963
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: So they go to their ahead Okay, yeah, ahead, going

964
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: to win again? Well yeah, and so they and then

965
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: they have the ball to go win seventeen to go

966
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: win it, and Shuck makes a couple of plays Shuck

967
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 2: is sliding and Leythan Ransom, the former Buckeye, hits him

968
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 2: in the head on the slide at texts fifteen more

969
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: yards on a late slide though it was a late slide,

970
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 2: but it was it was helmet to helmet a little

971
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 2: bit and it was fifteen more yards and then it

972
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: was it was gimme city. And and so that's gonna come.

973
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: That division is gonna they have they play each other

974
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 2: twice yep, in the last three weeks. They played this

975
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: weekend and then they I don't know who they play

976
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: the in between, and then they closed the season. It's

977
00:44:57,800 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 2: going to come down to that last game.

978
00:44:59,239 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 5: Yep.

979
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: If the winner, that's going to win the division.

980
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: Somehow, the Saints in the last two weeks to beat

981
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 3: the Panthers and the Buccaneers.

982
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 2: Right, I mean, how does that make any sense? But

983
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 2: by the way the Panthers, the Panthers just beat the

984
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: Rams and then they lose to the Saints. Yeah, it's

985
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: just it was It's really crazy. That's another one, and

986
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 2: we're doing on more than one thing. That's start with

987
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: about a thousands. It was a lot going on in

988
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: the league. But like the the the Detroit Lions went

989
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: to Los Angeles to win the game. They had a

990
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 2: hell of a first half of football. Yeah, but the

991
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: Rams just keep coming. They keep coming, and they can

992
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: run it, they can spin it.

993
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

994
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: Stafford's great and is not gonna be ready for Thursday though,

995
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 2: there's no way. Probably not, and that'll be for the

996
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: one seed.

997
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know if they need him, Like

998
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,839
Speaker 3: I can Seattle put points on the board. They they are.

999
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 2: Pretty one dimensional with JSN, like if and JSN ended

1000
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 2: up in the fourth quarter, made some big plays that

1001
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 2: get them in position. But like, no, I still think

1002
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 2: that the Rams are the better team and I think

1003
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 2: they'll win. The Miners are pretty darn good. Oh yeah

1004
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: they are, Yeah they are. The Niners were healthy on.

1005
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 3: Defense, comes to town next week.

1006
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: If the Niners were healthy on defense, what are they

1007
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 2: nine and four? Ten? So they're ten and four and

1008
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: the other two or eleven and three? Yeah, good grief. Yeah, yeah,

1009
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 2: that's crazy. The River's thing was nuts.

1010
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: It was crazy to watch.

1011
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 4: It was nuts. I mean I wanted to watch it.

1012
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 4: I was fascinating, easy to watch. You know somebody doing that.

1013
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 4: Speaking of this in the Packers game, Mark Michah Parsons.

1014
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 4: He's done for the year for the ACL there. So

1015
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 4: that I mean that is that was a that was

1016
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 4: a massive loss for green Bay and a massive loss

1017
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: for green Bay with the injury to do that.

1018
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: So it's like as soon as the football gods give it,

1019
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: they take it the way in the National Football League

1020
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: this year, it's been a very very strange year. Second

1021
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 2: hour of the program, highlighted of course by the Joe

1022
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 2: Thomas half hour of the program. We will get to that.

1023
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 2: We'll get your great clips, great call of the game

1024
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: as well and your Monday night football score. Second hour

1025
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,960
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Speaker 2: Time for your great clips. It's going to be great

1035
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 2: call of the game. Here's Shure's big first completion with

1036
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: Isaiah Bond third and ten.

1037
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 13: Brown's on their own twenty five yard line, Larvindan and

1038
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 13: Bond is Shudore Sanders left Trayveon Williams in the backfield.

1039
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 13: Sanders shotgun, bear show and pressure up the middle, pumps

1040
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,919
Speaker 13: the leg, gets the snapore to throw.

1041
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:59,240
Speaker 2: He's going deep.

1042
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 14: He wants Hendy's got it. Hendy's tackled at the thirty

1043
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 14: five of the Bears. They brought the pressure, They picked

1044
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 14: it up and Shoudtur hit Isaiah Bond for a game

1045
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 14: of forty seven?

1046
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

1047
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 4: You talk about dropping it in the bucket? He gets

1048
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 4: a free release against a two high safety. There's a

1049
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 4: little like Tampa too kind of look to it. He

1050
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 4: gets past that linebacker that's running down the scene with him.

1051
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: He gets in front of Bayard and buy Art's having

1052
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 4: a heck of a season. That was a perfect ball.

1053
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 4: The cold, the win not affecting that Bond, the big play.

1054
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: It's one of the things I like, how you how

1055
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 2: he dropped it in a bucket, like he just he

1056
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: did a beautiful ball. He did and.

1057
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 6: Took a hit.

1058
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 4: I mean both of those ones, Isaiah Bond were excellent

1059
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 4: throws and he took a real hit and delivered it.

1060
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 4: Ye had nice high arching and it literally is coming

1061
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 4: straight down where only Bond can get it.

1062
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 3: Beautiful.

1063
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like shades of Jeff Blake to Carl Pickens's a

1064
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 2: good one. That's a nice callback. Yeah, who's the other receiver?

1065
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 2: I remember Carl Pickens. I remember Carl Pickens and Blake.

1066
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 2: Who's the other receiver opposite? Because they had two good ones.

1067
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 2: It's funny they always it feels like they always have.

1068
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: They've had like a run of like twenty years, so

1069
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 2: we always have two good receivers. They had Houschman zado

1070
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: Ochocinco now Higgins and Chase and for.

1071
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 4: A while they were like the second that they had

1072
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 4: Mohammed Sanu and Marvin Jones with Green, they.

1073
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: Had like three good ones.

1074
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 3: Darnay Scott.

1075
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 2: Darnay Scott is that who it was, all right?

1076
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 4: So he was a pro bowler in twenty in nineteen

1077
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 4: ninety five throws for thirty eight, twenty two and twenty

1078
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 4: so that was his most productive season.

1079
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 2: So we've got Carl.

1080
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 4: Pickens has ninety nine for twelve thirty four and seventeen touchdowns, and.

1081
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: The other good job, Gibbe.

1082
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 4: You've got Darnay Scott fifty two eight twenty one average,

1083
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 4: sixteen yards of catch, five touchdowns. Tony McGee was the

1084
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 4: tight end at fifty five seven fifty four. He was

1085
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: for and their best runner. They had Harold Green and

1086
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 4: Eric sleeping with the enemy?

1087
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 6: Wow, how about that?

1088
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Speaker 3: Was Peter work still on that team?

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Speaker 2: He wasn't there, ye, because he wasn't He was at

1090
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 2: Florida State in ninety nine they w the national title.

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Speaker 2: He was there then, So he wasn't there until twenty.

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Speaker 4: Twelve, ninety nine, twelve thirty four and seventeen for Karl

1093
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Speaker 4: Pickens at year Pro Bowl or second team All Pro,

1094
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: Blake makes them made the Pro Bowl as well.

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00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: Out of Tennessee Pickens was. Yeah, he would have been

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00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 2: the quarterback at Tennessee. I would have said for maybe

1097
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,760
Speaker 2: like he's Shuler something like that as quarterback. Yeah, probably

1098
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 2: around that time is the way that would have all

1099
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: worked out. Yeah, kid, I mean should throws a beautiful

1100
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Speaker 2: deep ball and that connections with Isaiah Bond is one

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Speaker 2: that could be really special.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they were, by the way seven and nine. That year,

1103
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 4: David Shula was the head coach of the Bengals, offensive

1104
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 4: corner Bruce Koslet, defensive coordinator Larry Peccatillo. Ken Anderson was

1105
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Speaker 4: the quarterbacks coach.

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00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: Was he really yeah? How about that? I think I

1107
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: don't Yeah, yeah, no, I suppose we wouldn't. But yeah,

1108
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: it feels like that something would have come up more,

1109
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: but never did. No. Yeah. Nineteen eighty one Offensive AP

1110
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Speaker 2: Offensive Player of the Year was Pickens. Was No, it

1111
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: was Kelly Anderson, Ken Anderson. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1112
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: He's the one down there that they always think should

1113
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: be in the Hall of Fame. Is Kenny Anderson. He's

1114
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: the one that they think, at.

1115
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 4: Least, let's see if there's even a case to be

1116
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 4: made here. Four time Pro Bowler, one time All Pro

1117
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty one MVP led the league and completion percentage

1118
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 4: three times the league and pass in passing yards.

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00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: This is how crazy the game's changed.

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00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 4: I mean, in nineteen seventy four he led the league

1121
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 4: with twenty six hundred yards passing.

1122
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was the MVP.

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00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 4: In nineteen eighty one, three hundred and thirty seven to

1124
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 4: fifty four to twenty nine touchdowns. Ten picks was the

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00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 4: MVP First Team All Pro. So he has one First

1126
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 4: Team All Pro, one MVP, a second Team All Pro,

1127
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 4: four Pro Bowls total playoff wise. In nineteen eighty one,

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Speaker 4: they made it the Super Bowl loss of the Niners.

1129
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not there Hall of really good, really good.

1130
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably in the Bengals Hall of Fame Ring of Honor.

1131
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 2: I think he's I think he was one of the

1132
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:00,720
Speaker 2: Was he one of the first ones.

1133
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 3: That one, like a couple of years ago.

1134
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just started it. Yeah, I know Munos was

1135
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: one of them, and it wouldn't be surprised if he

1136
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: was the other one. All Right, this year I did

1137
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 2: not do I did not see this. But what this is,

1138
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 2: this is in your your right, in your wheelhouse. I'm

1139
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: teening up for this. John Cen his final match last week,

1140
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: when you and I talked about it, you said he

1141
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 2: would have to go on some sort of Mount Rushmore

1142
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 2: if you're doing one. How was this executed awfully? I

1143
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 2: think it was. I think it was. I think it

1144
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: was awful.

1145
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: My good buddy, I was actually talking with my good buddy,

1146
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 4: Jeff Jarrett about it after the fact, because he was

1147
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 4: he tweeted out, which I was actually surprised. He posted

1148
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 4: a pretty what did he say? He said, love watching

1149
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 4: movies where the superhero gets destroyed in the final scene

1150
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 4: and then dies. Even better, when my favorite sports team

1151
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 4: gets beat up but gives up with a smile on

1152
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:03,919
Speaker 4: their face makes me feel good about spending time money

1153
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 4: on the night. And then he just said creative is subjective.

1154
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 4: I thought it was terrible. First of all, I'm not

1155
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 4: a Gunther fan. I respect him. He's obviously a talented

1156
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 4: fresh Worth. His style is not the style that I

1157
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:16,880
Speaker 4: enjoy it all. It was I thought a very boring

1158
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,920
Speaker 4: plotting match. I mean, all he does is chop people,

1159
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 4: closeline people, power bomb people, and put him in sleep rolds.

1160
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 4: That's literally that is the whole entirety of his move set.

1161
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 4: Did I miss any keV? Did I miss any?

1162
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: Was there another move at all in that match?

1163
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 5: I mean, he has one of the worst splashes I've

1164
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 5: ever seen, but.

1165
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 4: It has a splash off tomstrocious some European uppercuts. Maybe

1166
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 4: I think he's so boring. And the whole story was,

1167
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 4: you know, Sina did everything he gave him you know,

1168
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 4: the the fu off of the through the announced table,

1169
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 4: off of the steps.

1170
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 2: He gave hi an avalanche AA, let's say change the

1171
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 2: name for it.

1172
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 4: He gave He did all his things, had him, you know,

1173
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 4: locked up in his submissions. Gunthro would never stop. And

1174
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 4: then he kept get him the sleeper. He finally at

1175
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 4: the end hits him in another f you and Guther

1176
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,760
Speaker 4: pops right up and puts him right in a sleeper

1177
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 4: and then he like taps out while smiling. He like

1178
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 4: smiles and just like he's in the sleep. There's pictures

1179
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 4: of it everywhere, and he goes and he just like

1180
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 4: taps out like lightly, and that was it, and the

1181
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 4: crowd hated it.

1182
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,359
Speaker 2: I hated it. First of all.

1183
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 4: I don't think Gunther is worthy of this. This is

1184
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 4: my opinion again, excellent freshil wrestler, the ring general.

1185
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: That style to me is.

1186
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 4: Not it's not fun like I think it's I don't

1187
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,280
Speaker 4: think it's just not my kind of character. And you

1188
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 4: you just let John Cena win. John Seene has put

1189
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 4: people over there could have he could have gotten plenty

1190
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 4: of rub. People wanted to see him win. People wanted

1191
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 4: to see the last time like they just wanted to

1192
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 4: see him win. Yeah, and I understand that the tradition

1193
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 4: and the businesses you go out looking at the lights

1194
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 4: one hundred percent get that, but sometimes you don't have

1195
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 4: to do that. And this he put plenty of people

1196
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 4: over in this run. He put you know, Dominic Mysterio over,

1197
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 4: which was great. He just he should have won. The

1198
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 4: best is then then you have, you know, at the end,

1199
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 4: everybody comes out and Triple Ah somehow still manages to

1200
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 4: make it all about himself, which is ridiculous.

1201
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 2: And he got booed out of.

1202
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:03,879
Speaker 4: The building and they were like the crowd Gunther didn't

1203
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 4: get the heat for beating John Cena, which is what

1204
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 4: they were going for, to build him up into a

1205
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 4: manchi And I will see in his promo tonight if

1206
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 4: he can do that, but I won't be watching Triple h.

1207
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,879
Speaker 4: They were like, just all the heat was on him

1208
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 4: because he's you know, makes it no now he pulled

1209
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 4: the curtain back. I'm the one who makes the decision

1210
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 4: of who wins and loses. Like they don't even try

1211
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 4: to pretend anymore. I don't even pretend that it is obnoxious,

1212
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 4: and so it's it was.

1213
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: I thought I thought it was horribly handled. Yeah, that

1214
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 2: seems to be the consensus, but I knew it would be.

1215
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 2: My grade would be right in your wheel. We'll get

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Speaker 2: your Monday night football score and the Joe Thomas Half

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Speaker 2: We've got a Monday Nighter Gibbee.

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Speaker 3: We do gentlemen, and it's an intriguing one. The red

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00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: hot Miami Dolphins are six and seven. They've won four

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00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,600
Speaker 3: games in a row. They are in the land of

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00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 3: the community that smells like hot dog water. You love

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00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: Its only the nachos, baby uh. The Pukers are hosting

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00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 3: the Dolphins. The Pukers seven and six, big win last

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00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,800
Speaker 3: week against the Birds. The Red Birds will be watching

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00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 3: with great interest. I'm sure on this one. Miami at Pittsburgh, Zagora.

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00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: The Dolphins can't win in some forty degree weather. I

1236
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,439
Speaker 2: have twenty they can't.

1237
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 4: I mean, they just how many How many games is

1238
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 4: it in a row? I think it's like fourteen games

1239
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:04,719
Speaker 4: spanning in two decades. So as much as I hate

1240
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 4: to say it, and I'd be this is one of

1241
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 4: those where I'd be like happy to get it wrong.

1242
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 4: Pukers four, Dolphins zero.

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00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of see it the same. I just

1244
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 2: think with those conditions and Rogers played a lot of

1245
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: games in those conditions, and so this would set up

1246
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh being eight and six with two to go, Baltimore's

1247
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 2: at seven and seven. Do those two play each other?

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00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 6: Oh?

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00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 3: They do week eighteen.

1250
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that's why Baltimore will be watching this. Oh,

1251
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: boys to Pittsburgh has to get this. They got to

1252
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 2: They're at Lions next week. Yeah, so they've got to

1253
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 2: win this one. What does Baltimore's stretch here look like?

1254
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: They have? So Baltimore's Oh jeez, Baltimore hosts New England

1255
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 2: at Green Bay.

1256
00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 3: Gauntlet for both Gauntlet.

1257
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: Holy smokes. So must win for Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh's got this

1258
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: one tonight. Then they're at Detroit then us.

1259
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 3: They need that game Buffer.

1260
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, this would give them the game. I mean Baltimore's

1261
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: Baltimore's path got really hard.

1262
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 2: Now with this, I mean that that lost to the

1264
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: Bengals at home a couple of weeks ago, Brutal was

1265
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: brutal for the brutal and then losing to Pittsburgh at home. Yeah,

1266
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 2: Steelers take care of their business right here. They are

1267
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: in a driver.

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00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 3: Seat, all right.

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00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 2: Joe Thomas half hour of the program coming up next.

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Speaker 2: The Joe Thomas half hour of the program commences, we

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00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: will talk about the game, We will talk about the weekend,

1277
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: but I did want to start with something that you

1278
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: put on social media this weekend that warmed my heart.

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00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: And I want to know the genesis of it, and

1280
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 2: that is Titan hugs. That's an amazing thing. If you

1281
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: if you go to the Hoffs Instagram, like he basically

1282
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 2: calls his children to the hug. Where did this come from?

1283
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: How did it start? How did this come about? Love

1284
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 2: a good hug?

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00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 6: So, yeah, it was like five six years ago.

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00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 15: I went on that show, The Titan Games with the Rock,

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00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 15: and so I was gone for like two weeks filming,

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00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 15: and my kids are a little bit younger, but I

1289
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 15: got home and Annie was kind of pumping.

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00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 6: Them up about where I was and what I was doing.

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Speaker 15: And at the time, Mohana was a big movie, so

1292
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 15: obviously they knew who the Rock was.

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00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 6: They thought that was pretty cool.

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00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 15: And I got home and they were like, we want

1295
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 15: a Titan hug, Dad, Dad, You're like a Titan now,

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Speaker 15: And so it just turned into this little tradition. You know,

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00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 15: like the best thing a dad ever gets, like the

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00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 15: best feeling of your life is when you get home,

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00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 15: whether it's work or vacation or something, and the kids

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01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 15: they just run and jump in your arms and give

1301
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 15: you a huge hug because they miss you so much,

1302
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 15: and it just feels like such a feeling of gratification

1303
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 15: and that love that they express to you and how

1304
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 15: much they missed you, because they don't always say it,

1305
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 15: you know, as kids. But that was such a special

1306
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 15: thing for us and we've been doing it for a

1307
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 15: long time. And unfortunately, just like everything with kids, they

1308
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 15: start to age out of that.

1309
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,120
Speaker 6: A little bit as they get older.

1310
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 15: But thankfully we're right on the edge where still re

1311
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 15: see my baby, my seven year old, she wants to

1312
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 15: do it every time they get home. The older ones

1313
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 15: you got to coax them a little bit more, but

1314
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 15: if you're gone long enough, they.

1315
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 6: Want one when you get home.

1316
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 15: And Jack, you know, he's starting to be a little man,

1317
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 15: so he doesn't want to hug dad quite as much,

1318
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 15: so he'll sometimes do it, and sometimes I got to

1319
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 15: wrestle them like I did in that video.

1320
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 6: But it's it's such a special thing.

1321
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 15: It's so cool and it just reminds me, you know,

1322
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 15: as a dad, like those are the best moments, those

1323
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 15: little things where they just jump in your arms and

1324
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 15: you can pick them up, and it's something that just

1325
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 15: doesn't last that long, so you got to cherish it.

1326
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 4: It's all beautiful, beautiful, beaut You needed it. Yeah, I

1327
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 4: have like a video that I have saved. It's like

1328
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 4: if I've ever you know, bummed out or whatever, I'll

1329
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 4: look at from when little ard Andreo was young and

1330
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 4: she was we were like up on the kind of

1331
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 4: the landing and she's like daddy, and then she would

1332
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 4: run and dive into my arms and then she'd get

1333
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 4: back out go there and daddy, I love you.

1334
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 2: And then run and dive.

1335
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:21,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, so good man, that's so Now she's going

1336
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 4: to be eighteen, right, blink yeah, that's the way going

1337
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 4: to college.

1338
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we can't blink away the rest of the season.

1339
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: We've got three more games to play.

1340
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 4: It's like a Standler movie, remember that one rather remote

1341
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 4: and he just and then you realized, maybe I shun

1342
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,959
Speaker 4: fast forward everything this I think we can ha this is.

1343
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 2: This is tough. I mean, it's it's brutal conditions. It's

1344
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,160
Speaker 2: it's not a great effort, and it's it goes in

1345
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 2: the books the way that it does. You've been in

1346
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 2: the league along, you played a lot, you played games

1347
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 2: in unfortunately in circumstances like this, like what do you

1348
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: make of what you saw Sunday?

1349
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 15: Well, it was very disappointing. It was not fun. It

1350
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 15: was all those things. There was no joy.

1351
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 6: For Brons fans.

1352
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 15: I think we're, unfortunately in the last twenty years, used

1353
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,840
Speaker 15: to finding little wins towards the end of the season,

1354
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 15: reasons to watch, reasons that get excited, and for us

1355
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 15: this year, it's kind of been twofold right to finish

1356
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 15: the season Miles Garrett on the cusp of NFL history,

1357
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 15: being able to potentially break one of the great records

1358
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,000
Speaker 15: in our sport and got another one and a half

1359
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 15: this weekend. So that's been something that we can cheer for,

1360
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 15: we can get excited about. But the big one too

1361
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 15: is Shador Sanders and can he become that franchise quarterback.

1362
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 15: Can he make enough of a statement and show enough

1363
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 15: growth that through these last game of games of the

1364
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 15: season he can prove that yes, I'm the guy and

1365
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 15: I'm worthy of being the player that you guys build

1366
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,720
Speaker 15: around in the draft this offseason. And he was making

1367
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 15: great progress. He had that breakout game a couple weeks

1368
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 15: ago that he had over three hundred yards. He led

1369
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 15: the team down in their final drive to give him

1370
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 15: a chance to win, you know, doing all the things

1371
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 15: that you want from your franchise quarterback, and it was

1372
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 15: so fun to be a part of that. Right, I

1373
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 15: know we're not playing for a whole but for us,

1374
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 15: that's our victory. And then in this game to see

1375
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 15: the defense getting shredded, to see Shador kind of taking

1376
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 15: a step back in his progress to being that franchise quarterback.

1377
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 6: It was not fun. Guys.

1378
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 15: It was a really tough one to pull any bits

1379
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 15: of good news or things that were fun to watch

1380
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 15: out of the whole game because even some of your

1381
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 15: young players that have been playing so well and doing

1382
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 15: awesome stuff, like quinnch On Judkins, they couldn't get going

1383
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 15: because there wasn't any running lanes for him in this game.

1384
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 6: So it was definitely a tough one man.

1385
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 4: Take us in the film room because this is something

1386
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 4: that it's hard to bother me and I noticed it.

1387
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 4: I noticed it all season, but it was really apparent

1388
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 4: in this game against Chicago where we have in our

1389
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 4: run plays, we'll have one, maybe even two guys and

1390
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 4: when I mean not make their block, like it's one

1391
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 4: thing you kind of get in somebody's way in and

1392
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 4: maybe isn't the best block. I'm talking completely whipping where

1393
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 4: guys are just being able to run freely at Quinnjohn

1394
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 4: Judkins behind the line of scrimmage.

1395
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 2: How do clean this up?

1396
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 4: How do we deal with There are a couple plays

1397
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 4: where we had a guy out there, it was there

1398
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 4: to block as a tight end, and he just completely whiffs.

1399
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 4: We had another one where we got, you know, a

1400
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 4: three hundred and forty pounder on a two hundred and

1401
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 4: fifty pounder and he completely whiffs. And it's if I'm

1402
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 4: quinch on, I'm getting frustrated. I think it's affected already

1403
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 4: his running style. He's immediately like trying to hop and

1404
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 4: pick as opposed to just getting north south because he

1405
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 4: knows he's trying to see if there's any room anywhere

1406
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 4: and there isn't.

1407
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean one is coaching, right, Are we coaching

1408
01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 15: the fundamentals that it takes to get those guys in

1409
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 15: the positions to make those blocks double teams for the

1410
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 15: most part, your hip to hip, your shoe to shoe,

1411
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 15: your square. You're driving from low to high. You're moving

1412
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 15: those guys off the ball. You're keeping four eyes on

1413
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 15: that linebacker and on that defensive lineman or on the

1414
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 15: linebacker and the safety, depending on who the combination is,

1415
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,760
Speaker 15: but they're obviously not getting that right. And then it's

1416
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 15: a question of is this something that's not being coached

1417
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 15: or is these players not good enough to get it done,

1418
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 15: because it's unacceptable. You know, you've got this star rookie

1419
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 15: running back that wants to show the world what he

1420
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 15: can do. But more than any running back in the NFL,

1421
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 15: for the most part, he's getting hit behind the line

1422
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 15: of scrimmage on almost any run and it's changing.

1423
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: His reason more than half of his here, more than

1424
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 2: half of his here.

1425
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 15: He's adjusting how he's playing to accommodate the poor blocking

1426
01:05:22,760 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 15: in front of him, which is a huge problem.

1427
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 6: Right.

1428
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 15: You want him building good habits when you're a young player,

1429
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 15: because those habits are hard to break. And if he's

1430
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 15: changing his path because of guys that are missing blocks consistently,

1431
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 15: if he's changing his running style and going away from

1432
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 15: the things that make him great because he's consistently worried

1433
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,800
Speaker 15: about where the free runner is going to come from,

1434
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 15: Like we're holding him back from his growth into becoming

1435
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 15: a star running back in the NFL that has a

1436
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 15: chance to be a big piece of what we're trying

1437
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:52,920
Speaker 15: to build in the future.

1438
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 4: So I remember from like I'll use twenty fourteen when

1439
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 4: you were here with Kyle and then even you know

1440
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 4: throughout this Thefanski era, and I don't know if I

1441
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 4: have the right terminology.

1442
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 2: You'll tell me if I do. But like, let's say.

1443
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 4: We're running a zone, a wide zone to the right,

1444
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 4: the tight end is at the beginning is on that side,

1445
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 4: but then he kind of is at a split zone

1446
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 4: where he comes in. He's the one who steals off

1447
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 4: the backside.

1448
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,520
Speaker 15: Yeah, there's a lot of different terminology for there's like

1449
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 15: a way is how you call it, like where the

1450
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,960
Speaker 15: tight end's going away or across the back wire, across like.

1451
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 6: A kick out.

1452
01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 15: Like there's there's a bunch of different terminology. But it's

1453
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 15: obviously a really popular play, especially when you're running those

1454
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 15: play actions because a lot of times tight end's coming

1455
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 15: back then he bluffs like a why bluff, or you

1456
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 15: think he's coming back all of a sudden he fakes spoom.

1457
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 15: Now he's opening the flat quarterback pulls it. You can

1458
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 15: either dump it off to him for some easy yards

1459
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 15: or then a lot of times there's a shot that's

1460
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 15: behind it, whether it's like a deep dig coming from

1461
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 15: the other side or one of those post corners, you know,

1462
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 15: different things that open things up.

1463
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 6: But anyway, sorry, go ahead the beginning of the question.

1464
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 4: I think we have our block rate on those on

1465
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 4: that is like zero. He's never blocking that backside end

1466
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 4: and then and Quijohn's getting creamed. Even sometimes when he's

1467
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 4: got room to run to the right, he's being able

1468
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 4: to run it right down the line on him. And

1469
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 4: it's just so frustrating because even where you maybe have

1470
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 4: the guys in the on the front side of the

1471
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 4: play actually getting their blocks, which unfortunately has been rare.

1472
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 4: We know our O line's been decimated, but then you

1473
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 4: have one where it gets just run down from the

1474
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 4: backside or he gets hit from the in the backfield

1475
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 4: because he's going this way, the guy just comes and

1476
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 4: gets him. You're like, you're a big guy, they're just

1477
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 4: getting their way.

1478
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, that block is one of the most

1479
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 15: important blocks when you're running the outside zone wide zone.

1480
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,280
Speaker 15: Stefans kise Shanahan those schemes because that's the player that

1481
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 15: you're trying to put in conflict. Conflict a lot of

1482
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 15: times right when you have those across blocks or you're

1483
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 15: trying to hold him with the quarterback boot. That's where

1484
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 15: the seam is, where the running back is trying to

1485
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 15: get back to with his cut, and you have to

1486
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 15: be able to control that guy with either a boot,

1487
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 15: you have to control them with that tight end or

1488
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 15: that HVAC coming across and blocking him, or you have

1489
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 15: to be able to control them when you're pulling that

1490
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 15: ball out and you're breaking contain with your quarterback who's

1491
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,760
Speaker 15: now getting outside and he's either ceialing that defensive end

1492
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 15: the tight end is and we're trying to get around

1493
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 15: him and maybe pulling up for some of those shots

1494
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 15: that go back across the field. And then maybe sometimes

1495
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 15: you pull a guard out there for extra protection, or

1496
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 15: you're leaving him free and you're just trying to get

1497
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 15: outside of him and allow the quarterback to stay on

1498
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 15: the move. But that guy being in conflict is so important.

1499
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 15: If you remember back man, it would have been like

1500
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 15: twenty twelve. Z. I'm not sure if you were here

1501
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 15: at that point yet or not, but we played Kyle

1502
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 15: Shanahan when he was coaching the Washington Redskins at the time,

1503
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 15: and Kirk Cousins.

1504
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins at Yeah, I was not with the rounds,

1505
01:08:38,800 --> 01:08:39,759
Speaker 2: but I know this game.

1506
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:43,679
Speaker 15: They ran outside zone and then just the boot where

1507
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 15: you pull it and you leave the defensive unblocked. In

1508
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,679
Speaker 15: all of those probably fifty times, they just kept going

1509
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 15: back and back and back to it because we had

1510
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 15: a stubborn defensive coordinator at the time, so we just

1511
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 15: stayed in our defense, and that backside defensive end was

1512
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 15: in a blender all day long because as soon as

1513
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 15: you would run hard down the line of scrimmage to

1514
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 15: try to take away that gap that he has to cover, whoop,

1515
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 15: you pull it right as soon as he wasn't running

1516
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 15: super hard down line of scrimmage, there's a little bit

1517
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 15: of a gap, and if you get the defense running

1518
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 15: with the outside zone blocking schemes, you get that running

1519
01:09:17,560 --> 01:09:19,720
Speaker 15: back running hard like he's trying to run around the

1520
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 15: defense to the front side. That cutback is where you

1521
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,960
Speaker 15: see those big, huge home run hits because it only takes.

1522
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 6: Half a yard or a yard and a little bit.

1523
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 15: Of a pause from that defensive end because now he's

1524
01:09:31,400 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 15: trying to make an arm tackle and if he can't

1525
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 15: make that, and there's just a little bit of space

1526
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 15: and the running back can run through it. There's like

1527
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 15: nobody left, especially if those safeties are not crashing down

1528
01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:41,639
Speaker 15: hard because they're worried about that play action.

1529
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 6: So that's kind of the.

1530
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 15: Core of this system is being able to control that

1531
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 15: backside defensive end without always having to block him.

1532
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 2: And we are not doing that. No, no, off Zee

1533
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 2: and I were talking about this earlier in the show,

1534
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 2: and I wanted to throw this at you. We get

1535
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 2: three games left, Like, is this just who we are

1536
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 2: in special teams? It's just who we are on the

1537
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 2: offensive line, it's just who we are.

1538
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 6: In the run game?

1539
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 2: Like, is there any reason to believe that any of

1540
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:11,160
Speaker 2: this can possibly get fixed and with what remains? Or

1541
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: do you just have to try to have some sort

1542
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 2: of success despite it? And if that is the case,

1543
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 2: how do you define success here?

1544
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 15: Yeah, it gets more difficult because there's nobody that can

1545
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 15: bring in to replace the people that are not getting

1546
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:28,760
Speaker 15: the job done. You're not going to completely change your system. Yeah,

1547
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 15: you can add wrinkles, and you can add little new

1548
01:10:31,479 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 15: nuances and new plays with each game plan, but there's

1549
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 15: really no answers to be able to do anything differently.

1550
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 15: This is the coaches you have, this is the scheme

1551
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 15: you have. These are the players you have right now.

1552
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 15: You try to make the most of it, You try

1553
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,639
Speaker 15: to find those little victories, but there's not a whole

1554
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 15: lot that you can change right now to make it

1555
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 15: vastly different than what we're seeing other than better execution.

1556
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 15: But at this point in the season, how do you

1557
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 15: expect better execution when by and large, all the formula,

1558
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 15: all the groceries that are going into your delicious meal

1559
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 15: are not delicious, beautiful farm to table products. So it

1560
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 15: becomes very difficult then, like you said, like where are

1561
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 15: your little victories? What are the things you're looking for?

1562
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 15: And you know you hark back to all right, how

1563
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 15: do we give Shador standards the best opportunity to show

1564
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 15: us what he has? It didn't happen last weekend.

1565
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 6: Clearly.

1566
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 15: The challenge is you don't have an offensive line that

1567
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:27,960
Speaker 15: is all of your starters from the beginning of the year.

1568
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 15: Actually you only have one, which is Joel, and so

1569
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 15: you're working with a patchwork offensive line that is in

1570
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 15: front of Shador. How do you find plays and how

1571
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 15: do you find ways to get him blocked up to

1572
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 15: be able to allow him to throw the football down

1573
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 15: the field?

1574
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,040
Speaker 6: That is a big challenge moving forward.

1575
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing.

1576
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:51,120
Speaker 4: We ran fourteen designed runs, eliminating the two Shador scrambles.

1577
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 4: Fourteen design runs. Our longest run of the day was

1578
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 4: four yards.

1579
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 2: I heard you guys say this on the broadcast yesterday,

1580
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 2: and when you brought that stack, yeah, I thought they

1581
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 2: can't be right. You said it on the bractice. I

1582
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 2: thought they can't be right. No, it was designed. Run

1583
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:05,400
Speaker 2: was four yards. Yeah.

1584
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 4: When he had a three yard run, it was like, no, welly,

1585
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 4: when Quinjohn did, I'm like, wow, that's one second biggest

1586
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 4: run of the day. I mean, you have that, you

1587
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 4: have Chador under pressure of fifty percent. Last week it

1588
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,240
Speaker 4: was over sixty percent. And then you take, you know,

1589
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 4: the two biggest plays on offense with a forty seven

1590
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 4: yarder and the forty two yard or to Isaiah Bond,

1591
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:24,280
Speaker 4: who again, I love this kid. He consistently gets behind

1592
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,760
Speaker 4: NFL defenses. But both of those he was getting hit

1593
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,160
Speaker 4: in the gut as he threw those balls. I mean,

1594
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 4: there's nothing easy going on right now for us on offense,

1595
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 4: nothing easy. And then we make it worse by getting

1596
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 4: penalties on first down. And now all of a sudden,

1597
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 4: you're at first and fifteen, and we're not a great

1598
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,800
Speaker 4: behind the sticks team. Now the door is able to

1599
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 4: make plays and we've seen that. But you know, you

1600
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 4: got a perfectly thrown ball to Jerry Judy that goes

1601
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,759
Speaker 4: off of his chest and becomes an interception.

1602
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 2: It's just this is this is tough, man, and it's

1603
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 2: just not easy. And I think the next thing Haffen

1604
01:12:57,240 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 2: for and again this is going to be for the

1605
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 2: next month, is with this going to be because you know,

1606
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 2: Kevin said it, he's the starter of the rest of

1607
01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: the way. How do you evaluate Shador Sanders amidst this.

1608
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 6: It's really difficult.

1609
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 15: I think the coaching that goes on individually to Shador

1610
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 15: is really important and hopefully there's enough trust that's been

1611
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,600
Speaker 15: built between him, quarterback coach, offensive coordinator, head coach, the

1612
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,599
Speaker 15: people that are the communicators to him about what they

1613
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 15: want to see from him where they need to communicate

1614
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 15: very clearly, like we want you to not worry about

1615
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 15: everything that's happening around you, very difficult. We want you

1616
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,680
Speaker 15: to make the reads that we're coaching, to throw the

1617
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 15: ball to the spot that we're telling you to do.

1618
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 15: And if those guys on the other side don't do

1619
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,040
Speaker 15: their job. That's on them. Yes, we want them to

1620
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 15: do that, but we need to be able to evaluate

1621
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 15: you how well can you do the things that we're

1622
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:47,720
Speaker 15: asking you to.

1623
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:50,160
Speaker 6: Do, not necessarily the result.

1624
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 15: It was it a catch, was it an interception? But

1625
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 15: we need you to go through your progressions, to take

1626
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 15: your drops, to deliver the football on time to where

1627
01:13:57,840 --> 01:13:59,600
Speaker 15: it's supposed to be based on the read and the

1628
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 15: coverage that you're looking at. And you need to do

1629
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 15: that regardless of what's happening around you. It's tough enough

1630
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 15: for a veteran quarterback to do those things and not

1631
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,440
Speaker 15: start changing what he's doing and trying to overcome the

1632
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,920
Speaker 15: inefficiencies and the inadequate play around you. But that is

1633
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 15: the only way you're going to be able to, truly

1634
01:14:19,200 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 15: from a coaching standpoint, be able to assess the growth

1635
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 15: in the progress of Shador Sanders.

1636
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:29,479
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's very, very difficult, and you've got

1637
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:29,760
Speaker 2: to make it.

1638
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 4: And here's the other thing, Like what's so critical is well,

1639
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 4: it's critical that you need to understand that. And I

1640
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:36,519
Speaker 4: guess if there's a quarterback that in this next draft,

1641
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 4: regardless of kind of how you feel about anybody that

1642
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 4: you're head over heels for, you have to make that move.

1643
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 4: But the ideal situation, I said this from the beginning,

1644
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 4: is that you feel like there's enough there with your

1645
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 4: door because let's be honest, we got a lot of

1646
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 4: needs on offense, Like we need another receiver. To me

1647
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 4: the idea if you get a guy a Carnel Tait,

1648
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 4: you get the kid from Arizona, say you get like

1649
01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 4: a real one.

1650
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 2: You have him, Judy and Bond.

1651
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 4: Now I feel like we're cooking with a little bit

1652
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,400
Speaker 4: of gas, and you got some weapons. You've got speed,

1653
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 4: You've got a couple of big time guys, and I

1654
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 4: think Judy in that role might even be better suited

1655
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 4: for what he's doing there.

1656
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 5: And then our.

1657
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 4: Offensive line is a disaster, so you're gonna need Like

1658
01:15:12,479 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 4: it would not surprise me if our first three picks

1659
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 4: next you're a receiver tackle tackle Like we need help bigly, badly,

1660
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,919
Speaker 4: So you we don't have. Now, it's all about the quarterback.

1661
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 4: I think we all know that's that's the truth in

1662
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 4: this league. But we don't have the luxury of going

1663
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:34,360
Speaker 4: again giving up multiple picks to get a quarterback. Now,

1664
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:36,160
Speaker 4: we might end up there organically at the way that

1665
01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 4: things are trending, we just don't have that luxury right now.

1666
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 2: No, And so then as an organization, I mean, this

1667
01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 2: is why this off season is going to be so

1668
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 2: fascinating and critical is is And that's why these That's

1669
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 2: why I asked the question about Shador because that's the

1670
01:15:52,240 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 2: number one thing is that allows for you to be different.

1671
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 2: So how do you evaluate amidst this? And that's what

1672
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: makes it very difficult. Terms of positives, look, not many,

1673
01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,720
Speaker 2: but the things that jump out to me obviously are

1674
01:16:05,760 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 2: Miles who inches closer? And God, I hope he gets

1675
01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 2: it this week, Like just get it this week and

1676
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 2: put it away at home. Give these speak against the

1677
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,280
Speaker 2: Steelers could be pretty cool. They'll follow either one whatever,

1678
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 2: but get Josh. Josh is the MVP, Like I mean,

1679
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 2: if you think about the straight hand one with Far,

1680
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 2: where Far took the dive? You know, like this this one,

1681
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: you would, you know, have Miles bring down Josh like

1682
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 2: that would be pretty cool. If that's the way this

1683
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 2: finally happened.

1684
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 4: Supposedly they said yesterday on the broadcast. I don't know

1685
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 4: if this is true or not on the television broadcast,

1686
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 4: but that that Caleb Williams was kind of told just

1687
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 4: if he's coming at to just get thrown away, like

1688
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 4: don't let don't let him sack you.

1689
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:43,880
Speaker 2: No, they didn't want it to happen. Yeah, well yeah

1690
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 2: what in half anyway, Yeah, there was something about that

1691
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 2: about Pittsburgh too, that like Pittsburgh said hold him or whatever,

1692
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,960
Speaker 2: like somebody on that broadcast. So I'm sure there's gonna

1693
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 2: be everybody tried to prevent it, but like his and

1694
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,719
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing that's really cool and haff

1695
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 2: you you identify with that better than anybody. Excellence amidst

1696
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: teams that aren't good, and what he's done this year

1697
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 2: to just continue to do it, it's just the truest

1698
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: sign of professionalism every single week.

1699
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's amazing.

1700
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,960
Speaker 15: It's so hard to get sacks against a team that's

1701
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 15: winning because they're not going to take any chances, Like

1702
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 15: you said, throw it away, right, They're not going to

1703
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 15: take the sack. They're not going to hold onto that

1704
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 15: football longer to push the ball on the field. And

1705
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:25,640
Speaker 15: with Miles looking like maybe he kind of tweaked his

1706
01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 15: hip flexer or something like that during the game in

1707
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 15: bitter cold temperatures which your muscles don't work very well already.

1708
01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:35,839
Speaker 15: To see him out there still hustling, chasing down the

1709
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 15: ball carrier and giving everything that he's got to his

1710
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 15: teammates and to the defense and to this team, it's

1711
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 15: just an amazing sign of his professionalism, of his focus,

1712
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 15: of his ability to block out the noise and the

1713
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 15: chaos that's happening around him and is still, without a doubt,

1714
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,479
Speaker 15: do anything it takes to get your job done. I mean,

1715
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 15: I have a tremendous amount of respect for him, and

1716
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 15: I think it would be incredible. I'm so excited and

1717
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 15: hopeful that he can get this sack record this weekend

1718
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 15: against Buffalo and then shatter it with a few more

1719
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 15: against Pittsburgh.

1720
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be awesome.

1721
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 4: I also think, you know, as we're talking about this defense,

1722
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 4: Carson Swessner continues to play great fourteen more tackles, He's

1723
01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 4: had double digits now on forcer games. He's clearly hobbling

1724
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 4: out there as well and playing through it. But I

1725
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:30,200
Speaker 4: know it's kind of it's been two games, but maybe

1726
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 4: we weren't giving it. I think we gave him a

1727
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 4: lot of praise, but maybe we were not giving Malie

1728
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 4: Collins enough praise, because the biggest change really is that

1729
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 4: Malik Collins hasn't been playing, and our defensive lot we're

1730
01:18:40,680 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 4: getting gashed in the run game. He was dominant in

1731
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 4: terms of his ability to collapse the pocket. His pass

1732
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:49,600
Speaker 4: rush win rate was the best of anybody on the interior.

1733
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:51,280
Speaker 4: You know, at the time he got hurt, Y had

1734
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,759
Speaker 4: the most sacks of any defensive tackle. You know, maybe

1735
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 4: he was really having a season that was even better

1736
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 4: than we realized because it was in some ways getting

1737
01:18:58,040 --> 01:18:59,559
Speaker 4: overshadowed by Miles.

1738
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 15: There's definitely a synergy amongst defensive line play. Right, if

1739
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 15: you got one great one, offenses can do a lot

1740
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 15: of things from a scheme standpoint to try to take

1741
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:10,759
Speaker 15: you away, but it gives.

1742
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 6: Them vulnerabilities elsewhere.

1743
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 15: When you've got three or four guys that can get

1744
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 15: after the quarterback and cause problems, you can't adjust your

1745
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 15: scheme to be able to handle those guys. And that's

1746
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,599
Speaker 15: run and pass like when you've got a guy like Miles.

1747
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 15: I remember playing against the Indianapolis Colts ceased to have

1748
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 15: Robert Mathis, Dwight Freeney, Right, they didn't care about me

1749
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 15: stopping the run. Right, they just run up the field

1750
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 15: and try to sack your quarterback. You could kind of

1751
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,639
Speaker 15: take advantage of those two guys because it creates lanes

1752
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 15: underneath to run the football. Yep, you got guys inside

1753
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 15: that are a little bit smaller, softer, right, it's a

1754
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 15: team on defense that's built to rush the passer. You

1755
01:19:44,760 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 15: can kind of take advantage of those guys when you

1756
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 15: got four dogs. I mean, we saw it last year

1757
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 15: in the Super Bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles.

1758
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 6: There's no answer for that. You can't add more blockers.

1759
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,120
Speaker 15: Eventually, you just don't have any guys that catch the

1760
01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 15: football if you've got more blockers.

1761
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:58,679
Speaker 6: In the line of scrimmage.

1762
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 15: And it makes it really difficult to block tier guys

1763
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 15: with more than just a one and a half block,

1764
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 15: because typically if I'm a guard a center, I can

1765
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,920
Speaker 15: help out on Collins in the middle, but I still

1766
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,560
Speaker 15: got to look to my outside because I got a

1767
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 15: big problem on the outside with a guy like Miles Garrett.

1768
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 15: And so just losing one of those guys, it's not

1769
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:17,280
Speaker 15: like you just subtract one from the grand total, like

1770
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,799
Speaker 15: it's really like one and a half or two, because

1771
01:20:19,840 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 15: now they can easily say all right one on one

1772
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 15: with the replacement, the backup, and then now we can

1773
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 15: add additional resources to the other guys that have always

1774
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 15: been a problem that are usually getting one on ones.

1775
01:20:32,240 --> 01:20:34,120
Speaker 15: When you got a guy like Malik Collins in.

1776
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:40,960
Speaker 2: There, yeah he was. He was playing really really well.

1777
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah he was. He was. And look there, I mean,

1778
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 2: Swassanger's been unbelievable. Bond gets me on the defense, consistently

1779
01:20:47,080 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 2: quish on You know, there's some things. But in a

1780
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 2: season where man more was phanomsm I mean fourteen targets yesterday,

1781
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 2: Like yeah, he really numbers saying it was too many targets.

1782
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 2: Some we're saying too many. Oh yeah, did you see

1783
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 2: his media availability? I did not. Oh oh yeah, oh

1784
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 2: really he was.

1785
01:21:09,960 --> 01:21:14,640
Speaker 4: Basically there was a question that implied he's to him like,

1786
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:16,679
Speaker 4: are you getting the ball too much? Because it feels

1787
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 4: predictable and that's why interceptions are being thrown to him.

1788
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:24,160
Speaker 2: Okay, time for the Trench Report, brought to you by

1789
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:26,839
Speaker 2: Big Fig the Mattress made for More crafted in Cleveland.

1790
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:31,640
Speaker 2: Just like our Browns, your buddy Joel Buttonio, he just

1791
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 2: keeps going, man, he just keeps going. You guys have

1792
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:38,080
Speaker 2: so much in common Hoff. What type of pride does

1793
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 2: it give you to see your buddy still performing at

1794
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 2: this high of a level. Everything else is kind of

1795
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 2: falling apart around him on that front, but he shows

1796
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:46,799
Speaker 2: up every single Sunday.

1797
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 15: It gives me great pride to watch him out there,

1798
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 15: still doing his things, still playing great football, bringing his

1799
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 15: hard hat every single day, doing everything that you'd expect

1800
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 15: out of the perfect offensive guard, representation of what it

1801
01:22:01,439 --> 01:22:04,639
Speaker 15: means to be a Cleveland Brown, to reflect the hard working,

1802
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:08,000
Speaker 15: blue collar mentality of the fan base. And it's so

1803
01:22:08,120 --> 01:22:10,679
Speaker 15: cool because I just think back to my own Hall

1804
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,160
Speaker 15: of Fame speech and talking about count on.

1805
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 6: Me and how important that is.

1806
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 15: And as an offensive lineman, we've always been the type

1807
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,000
Speaker 15: that we want to be there for our teammates, but

1808
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 15: we never want that attention, and I think Joel typifies that.

1809
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,280
Speaker 15: I mean, a guy that consistently shows up. He came

1810
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,240
Speaker 15: back for this season. We weren't sure if he was

1811
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 15: going to be going to retire or if he was

1812
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 15: going to come back.

1813
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 6: He decided to.

1814
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 15: Come back, and he's been nothing but a consummate pro.

1815
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 6: Just like Miles.

1816
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 15: Hardly ever noticed him this season, which is exactly what

1817
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 15: you want to do as an offensive guard. As the

1818
01:22:43,240 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 15: other four starters around him have all been injured and

1819
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:49,080
Speaker 15: have left the game, He's still out there playing great

1820
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 15: football in the most horrible conditions you could possibly imagine

1821
01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:55,800
Speaker 15: there in Chicago and doing it the right way. And

1822
01:22:56,040 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 15: I'm so hopeful that he's going to put together enough

1823
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 15: statistics enough of a resume to make that Hall of

1824
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 15: Fame because he is absolutely a Hall of Famer in

1825
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 15: my book, and I really hope that playing this season,

1826
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 15: and who knows what happens after this, he's garnering the

1827
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,400
Speaker 15: attention in the same way that I did that, Like, look,

1828
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:18,679
Speaker 15: this is not a very good team. He's not played

1829
01:23:18,720 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 15: on a lot of great teams, but he has been

1830
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 15: exceptional in spite of the poor play and the poor

1831
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:27,559
Speaker 15: teams that he's been around, And I think that should

1832
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 15: definitely bump him up in Hall of Fame voters' eyes

1833
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 15: when they think about how challenging the situations have been

1834
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,759
Speaker 15: throughout his nearly his entire career.

1835
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's no doubt about it, all, right, hof Injuries

1836
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 4: are obviously not something that's very fun in this game.

1837
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 2: Two of the biggest stars.

1838
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:48,839
Speaker 4: In the league go down last night or Yesterday, Patrick

1839
01:23:48,880 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 4: Mahomes Micah Parson's Chiefs officially eliminated from the playoffs. It's

1840
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 4: the first time since nineteen ninety eight that the AFC

1841
01:23:56,920 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 4: Playoffs will not feature either Tom Brady, Peyton Man or

1842
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:01,240
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes.

1843
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 6: My god, it's amazing.

1844
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 15: I mean, it's crazy crazy. Sometimes it's you know, the

1845
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 15: Chiefs to me have been a lovable, iconic franchise dynasty,

1846
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 15: which is unique, I think. You know, of course, there's

1847
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 15: people out there that hate him, but Patrick is such

1848
01:24:26,200 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 15: a likable star. In my opinion, he's one of the

1849
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 15: greatest we've ever seen. But he's also an amazing teammate,

1850
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 15: always doing and saying the right things.

1851
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,320
Speaker 6: Andy Reid the same way.

1852
01:24:37,200 --> 01:24:39,799
Speaker 15: It's hard to hate them, even though they've been so great,

1853
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 15: and you always hate the teams that are always there

1854
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 15: on top, just like we all hated the Patriots, but

1855
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 15: they were cheaping and it was easy to hate those guys.

1856
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 15: But with the Chiefs, it's always been different, you know,

1857
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 15: And to see them miss the playoffs and to see

1858
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 15: Patrick get hurt, you know, being on a team right

1859
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 15: now and being teams of of a team that's three

1860
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 15: and eleven, it's hard to say that there's a lot

1861
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 15: of love lost there for what's going on with the

1862
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 15: Kansas City Chiefs this season. But to me, the playoffs

1863
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,559
Speaker 15: should have a team like that, that dynasty that everybody's

1864
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 15: gunning for, that team that you know, people want to

1865
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 15: knock off and they feel like that's their measuring stick.

1866
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,960
Speaker 15: And to see them not be there this year, and

1867
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 15: also to see Mahomes not finish the season, to me,

1868
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 15: it just tarnishes the playoffs a little bit.

1869
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 2: It's the first time in his career that he's not

1870
01:25:30,439 --> 01:25:33,479
Speaker 2: in the worst case AFC Championship game, that's right, So

1871
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 2: it's like that year nine, it is the first time

1872
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 2: that he has the worst he's ever done is the

1873
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 2: AFC Championship loser, the worst he's done, and the two

1874
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 2: people who beat him are Brady and Burrow, and that's it.

1875
01:25:45,320 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 2: That's the list. Other than that, he's playing in the

1876
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:49,680
Speaker 2: title every year. So it's it's an absurd start to

1877
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 2: a career. It's a changing of the guard in the

1878
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 2: AFC a little bit too. This will be whatever they do,

1879
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,360
Speaker 2: they're going to be on their third machination of Mahomes.

1880
01:25:57,400 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 2: And of course this was the same year I think

1881
01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 2: that Brady tore his ninth season. They both they both

1882
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 2: won three Super Bowls at this point. Yeah, a lot

1883
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,559
Speaker 2: of similarities there. We'll see if if Patrick has that

1884
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,120
Speaker 2: second half the way that Brady ended up having, But

1885
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 2: obviously his comes much later. Brady's was early in the season,

1886
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:14,280
Speaker 2: this one at the end. So this will affect the

1887
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,679
Speaker 2: start of next year obviously for Kansas City as well.

1888
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 2: And and look, you're you're just seeing crazy stuff around

1889
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:22,400
Speaker 2: the league. You're seeing results that are kind of crazy.

1890
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've got a chance to see

1891
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 2: at all. Haff the situation down in Cincinnati with Burrow

1892
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 2: and his press conference just the last couple of weeks

1893
01:26:30,160 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 2: with him, it looks like he is fed up in

1894
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:35,439
Speaker 2: every way. I've never I covered him since he was

1895
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 2: in a ninth grader. I don't ever recall him ever

1896
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 2: talking the way he talked yesterday postgame. Ever, I'm he

1897
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 2: wants out of there.

1898
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's either he either number one, he definitely wants

1899
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,120
Speaker 4: out of there. But he may be like I'm done

1900
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 4: with this period. Yeah, there's a little twinge.

1901
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 2: Of that in there, which well Carson Palmer did that there,

1902
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 2: he said fine, I'm done. Yeah, he did I mean

1903
01:26:59,120 --> 01:26:59,720
Speaker 2: that that.

1904
01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1905
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 2: Maybe that's I definitely think he wants out of there. Yeah,

1906
01:27:03,560 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 2: that's pretty sure. But this has been a weird year.

1907
01:27:06,600 --> 01:27:08,439
Speaker 2: I mean, like I don't know, but Baltimore's gonna get

1908
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:11,799
Speaker 2: in offf think of the AFC, no Chiefs, no Bengals,

1909
01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 2: maybe no Ravens, like if not, now win Buffalo, right,

1910
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 2: and that's the top.

1911
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 4: That's probably that those are probably considered the top four

1912
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,719
Speaker 4: quarterbacks in the NFL, of all things being equal, everybody's healthy.

1913
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,920
Speaker 2: If everybody's healthy and Josh is left standing, they got

1914
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 2: to it's got to be their year. Hoff.

1915
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 15: Yeah, it's it's a really crazy year I think. With

1916
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 15: the Bengals, I mean it's just a shame what that

1917
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,599
Speaker 15: ownership group has done to that franchise. And Joe Burrow,

1918
01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 15: I mean they were set up. I mean they were

1919
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 15: in the super Bowl, They had all these young stars.

1920
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 15: They had done the hard thing, which is to draft

1921
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 15: these great players, including Joe Burrow, a quarterback, and all

1922
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 15: you got to do is resign them and put the

1923
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 15: pieces in place around him. Bring those guys back, keep

1924
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 15: them defense, keep them together and right on defense. And

1925
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 15: it's like they just wanted to save money instead of

1926
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:03,560
Speaker 15: trying to build championships, and everybody's fed up with it.

1927
01:28:03,640 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 15: I mean, look what the fans had to go with

1928
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 15: deal with this weekend in Cincinnati. Like they didn't even

1929
01:28:08,920 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 15: clear the snow off their seats because they're too cheap

1930
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:15,640
Speaker 15: to do that. Like it's just incomprehensible that, by the way, right,

1931
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 15: they broke league rules to save a few dollars. In

1932
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 15: Green Bay, they always have snow, right, so they have

1933
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 15: this like team of people that are just neighborhood guys

1934
01:28:24,479 --> 01:28:26,360
Speaker 15: that when they get snow, they're like, hey, we'll pay

1935
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,960
Speaker 15: a five bucks an hour. You get to hang out

1936
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 15: in lambeau Field and clean snow off and they get

1937
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 15: like ten thousand people that show up on game day.

1938
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 15: I'm sure the Bengals could do that and hand out

1939
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,639
Speaker 15: some free stadium chili or Skyline chili. I mean, nobody

1940
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 15: really likes that stuff anyway, but I mean, at least

1941
01:28:41,080 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 15: they would offer them something and not even give any

1942
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,640
Speaker 15: effort to try to do that, and then cover it

1943
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 15: up by saying, well, the snow the fans could have

1944
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 15: easily wiped it off at their hands, or the ushers

1945
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:52,479
Speaker 15: were trained to be able to help them.

1946
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:55,120
Speaker 6: I mean, what a joke. It's just one thing.

1947
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 4: After either of the great, the great scene at the

1948
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 4: end of Chris's vac of all the no good ways

1949
01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 4: that try to save a butt.

1950
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:08,439
Speaker 6: That's right, come on, great Christmas, but yeah, come on,

1951
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:09,879
Speaker 6: and they're.

1952
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 4: Making you they if you were a Bengals legend, they're

1953
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,720
Speaker 4: making you pay to come to your own like enshrinements.

1954
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 4: Yeah you want to come into the Bengals Ring of Honor. Cool,

1955
01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 4: buy yourself a ticket?

1956
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:23,759
Speaker 15: Ye yeah, go sit in the three hundred level. Boomeris size,

1957
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 15: and I mean, it just doesn't make it makes no sense.

1958
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 15: I can't understand it. And I don't blame Joe Burrow

1959
01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 15: one bit for being just frustrated and fed up because

1960
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,519
Speaker 15: he sees the writing on the wall. When that's the

1961
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 15: ownership and that's their mentality that they're taking towards the team,

1962
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,880
Speaker 15: the players, their fan base, right then it's like, how

1963
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 15: are we ever going to have success here? You might

1964
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:49,519
Speaker 15: maybe if things go just absolutely perfect, win a super Bowl,

1965
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 15: but there's no ability to sustain success when that is

1966
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 15: your mentality and that is your approach.

1967
01:29:55,960 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 2: If we know you got to run NFL announcing the

1968
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 2: League headed back to Munich twenty six and twenty eight.

1969
01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:04,080
Speaker 2: Can we assume correctly that that means the Hoff is

1970
01:30:04,160 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 2: returning to Munich in twenty twenty six and twenty twenty eight.

1971
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: He is, then I'll get us. Can you get us

1972
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 2: in that? Can you use your connections to get us

1973
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 2: in that game?

1974
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:17,600
Speaker 15: I don't know if I have connections to get us

1975
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,439
Speaker 15: in the game, but I sure hope we would be,

1976
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 15: because that would be fantastic seeing Brown's fans take over

1977
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 15: the Marian plots throughout Munich, drinking big one Leader steins

1978
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 15: of beer and pretzels as big as a hub cap.

1979
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 15: I mean, talk about pure joy right there, getting the

1980
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 15: great z to come over and I could show you

1981
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 15: my adopted homeland and all the amazing little places that

1982
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 15: I've found that are incredible and go up into the

1983
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 15: mountains do some hikes.

1984
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:43,880
Speaker 6: I mean, it would be a fantastic trip.

1985
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 15: I really, I mean, all right, I'll call Roger as

1986
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 15: soon as we get off here and make sure it happens.

1987
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 2: You're the Hoff, and you are. I feel like you

1988
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 2: are Munich's favorite American.

1989
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 15: There's there's not many of us, so the list is easy.

1990
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,360
Speaker 15: It's like when I was in high school. I was

1991
01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:01,560
Speaker 15: a barite and I was the second chair, right, you

1992
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 15: should be proud of that. Well, there was only two

1993
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:06,560
Speaker 15: of us, so it was not a lot competition, but

1994
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 15: certainly I am You're right, I am Munich's chosen son

1995
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 15: from the American NFL football side of things, and they

1996
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,200
Speaker 15: better bring me back because I'm going.

1997
01:31:16,160 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 6: To be there on the sidelines one way or the other.

1998
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 2: If you're the best. Buddy, Rob Hockety is always thank you,

1999
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 2: as always my friend will do it again before we

2000
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 2: get Yeah, is there last second?

2001
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:28,559
Speaker 4: Is there any more opportunity for people to get hof

2002
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:29,439
Speaker 4: beef if they want it?

2003
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,200
Speaker 15: So we still have some beef. We still have some

2004
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:37,000
Speaker 15: holiday boxes on the website. Shipping unfortunately cannot be guaranteed

2005
01:31:37,040 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 15: to get there before Christmas, but you can always print

2006
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 15: off a nice little picture and put it in a

2007
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 15: box and it was let's come and say, hey, this

2008
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:46,720
Speaker 15: is going to be here tomorrow or.

2009
01:31:47,160 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 2: Potentially work pretty good for New Year's Eve.

2010
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 3: As I say, right.

2011
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,360
Speaker 6: New Year's Day, Hall of Famebeef dot com.

2012
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 15: We still got delicious goodies and holiday boxes available if

2013
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,920
Speaker 15: you're looking for that perfect gift for a loved one.

2014
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 15: Or maybe just a little good way to celebrate with

2015
01:32:01,120 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 15: some veno on the New Year's.

2016
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:05,719
Speaker 2: Oh Baby, oh great, talking to you Hoff. As always,

2017
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:08,439
Speaker 2: we love you, Love you guys, appreciate it all right.

2018
01:32:08,479 --> 01:32:10,759
Speaker 2: That was the Joe Thomas half hour of the program,

2019
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 2: and that was Cleveland Browns Daily. Thanks for listening, every buddy,

2020
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:15,679
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns Daily, eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

2021
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:19,160
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2022
01:32:19,200 --> 01:32:22,440
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