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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly, he is the

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Speaker 3: Matt Williamson and well turned into a kind of an

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Speaker 3: eventful day around the NFL. Typically it's the quiet period,

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Speaker 3: but well, it's the fun. Diggs on the move going

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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty huge, to be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the short answer, the short analysis is, these

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Speaker 1: are teams in two very very different places. You know,

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Speaker 1: one has a star quarterbacks what looks like it, certainly

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Speaker 1: Alan is, and one of them is very cheap, and

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Speaker 1: one of them isn't. And one of them is an upstart.

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Speaker 1: You know, the window is just opening, the other one

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Speaker 1: the window is closing. And I think Diggs when he

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Speaker 1: was traded to the Bills, is instrumental in propelling Allen's career.

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Speaker 3: Making them and making them a contender.

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Speaker 1: Big time, big time. There's worth the trade for them,

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Speaker 1: for sure. He produced a lot for them.

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Speaker 3: He made their quarterback was extending him.

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Speaker 1: That's part of it, one percent. But it reminds me

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Speaker 1: the Tyreek Hill trade. To some degree, it's like when

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Speaker 1: we're paying a superhuman, you know, superhero quarterback. Well, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to take the Shakirs and Kincaids of the

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Speaker 1: world and Samuel's and put them on. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have to elevate them. We're not able to elevate

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Speaker 1: you anymore. I mean, that's why you're making the money

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Speaker 1: you are. That's why we're in this situation. And having

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Speaker 1: those quarterbacks is a good problem to have, don't get

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Speaker 1: me wrong, But there's consequences too. They need to really

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Speaker 1: earn their money now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you got to keep drafting them. The Steelers did.

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Speaker 3: If you think about early Ben's career, you had heinz Ward,

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Speaker 3: you had Plexico Burras even you know.

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Speaker 1: That's what he walked into.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he walked into it. And Antoine Rande, well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's great. That's a great trio to walk into. Then, though,

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Speaker 3: as he starts to get paid and the guys around

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Speaker 3: him are getting paid, well, then you can't get older.

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Speaker 3: You're gonna start now, you're gonna start drafting those guys.

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Speaker 3: And so you get Mike Wallace and you get you know,

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Speaker 1: Even early Juju and you, I mean a lot of

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Speaker 1: success in those more Davis Bryce, you can't afford to

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Speaker 1: go buy one. No, no, you can't. And so I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think we both knew and everybody knew the Bills

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Speaker 1: it's worse than I expected for them, to be honest

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Speaker 3: I think if we were comparing rosters as we sit

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Speaker 1: Yes, I would too. I must saying they're a better

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Speaker 3: The quarterback is a determining factor. Yes, and roster forer roster.

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Speaker 3: I think the Steelers are better right now.

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Speaker 1: And I'll be honest. I mean Greg cose elsaid this

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Speaker 1: quarterback aside, that Bill's rosters wasn't good. Okay, I mean

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Speaker 1: it's average. I mean they're line is okay, you know.

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Speaker 1: it's not an elite roster. Yeah, okay, right, I mean

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Speaker 1: we all knew that Houston with all their cap space too,

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Speaker 1: you know that they do play the games for a reason,

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Speaker 1: Bills to me. I mean, they look like clearly the

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Speaker 1: there's a super Bowl contender, but they're a contender. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, I think that puts them on this all assumes

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Speaker 3: By building around him.

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Speaker 1: They were able to keep their offensive coordinator to you know,

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Speaker 3: For second round pick to go get dicks right, right.

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Speaker 1: And it was the Vikings one. It wasn't theirs. I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Vikings one would be the higher of the two.

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Speaker 1: Would rather the Vikes future pick right.

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Speaker 1: But the Bills inherit a massive dead money. Their dead

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Speaker 3: So when you look at this, and we had talked

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of on the fence about it. I mean,

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Speaker 3: They got a twenty twenty four to sixth round pick,

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Speaker 1: I think it's just the two, because sometimes I don't

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Speaker 1: change back, you know. Maybe, but he's expensive. He's feisty, slash,

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Speaker 1: And his production in the second half of the season

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Speaker 1: He was demanding a lot of doubles and they were

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Speaker 1: have certainly been interested, but my thoughts don't change when

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Speaker 3: Start to take a look now at the Bill's wide

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Speaker 1: Like I think k In Kaid gets a huge spike

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think that makes sense. But I think

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Speaker 1: And then there's this yeahah if if.

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Speaker 3: If Brian Thomas is available at twenty, right, are they

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Speaker 1: See, I think they could be the team that maybe

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Speaker 1: mean they're their windows still. Yeah, I mean you got

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Speaker 1: to give Allen You're still a contender. You're not a

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Speaker 1: we're just going to rebuild. At least the chief say

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Speaker 1: Kelsey when they they he'll move, you know. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think in Kaid's to that level yet, but he

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Speaker 3: They'd have to give up both seconds at.

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Speaker 1: Least the first next year. Yeah, I mean more than probably.

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Speaker 1: I bet that's too rich. But I bet that Thomas

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that that would be one that you know.

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Speaker 1: They've been twenty seven, right, Yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: Once we start doing our mock drafts here again, twenty

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean it looks like there's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So let's take a look at what I found

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Speaker 2: This is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt

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Speaker 3: I mentioned that before the breakup, was doing a little

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Speaker 3: I looked up all the first rounds of the drafts

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Speaker 1: Two years of them. Yeah, have a pretty good, you know,

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Speaker 3: So in that time period, uh, the player the positions

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Speaker 3: Okay. So that was that cornerback was second with nineteen

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Speaker 3: were taken, ten can be considered hits. There ten are

434
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Speaker 3: currently starters for the teams.

435
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,040
Speaker 1: I was going to guess a little under fifty percent.

436
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 3: Well, here's the caveat to that. The the twenty twenty

437
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 3: draft kind of skews that because that was a draft

438
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,560
Speaker 3: that produced Joe Burrow to Attack of Biloa, Justin Herbert

439
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,640
Speaker 3: and now Jordan Love four for four in that draft.

440
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, cha hurts also happened to be in the draft in.

441
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,160
Speaker 3: The second round. You take that one out of the equation.

442
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,159
Speaker 3: First round quarterbacks are six or fourteen, So.

443
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,399
Speaker 1: I mean bad teams, right, now are hoping this is

444
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: like the twenty twenty year. Yeah coming up, you know, right,

445
00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,880
Speaker 1: so quickly, I assume you said Pikett was not a hit, right, Okay, ye, yeah,

446
00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,879
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think he's now's traded for them, but not

447
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:32,640
Speaker 1: to make them their.

448
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 3: Starter at running back. The hit rate was four of six. Like,

449
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,080
Speaker 3: if you take a running better hit, you take a

450
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,399
Speaker 3: running back in the first round, they're probably gonna hit.

451
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 1: And both the guys who working he was a hit,

452
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:44,840
Speaker 1: you called him a hit. Yeah.

453
00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 3: Both the guys who weren't hit were Clyde. They were

454
00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:49,359
Speaker 3: at Clyde, Edwards Hilaire and Rashad Penny.

455
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: And I agree that both would not be but they're

456
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 1: both late rounds. And then again they're not you know,

457
00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: McCaffrey four Nett going super early too. And I mean

458
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 1: we could break this down even more. I mean, it's

459
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,439
Speaker 1: different to be the second pick in the draft than

460
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,280
Speaker 1: the thirtieth pick in the draft in terms of what's

461
00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 1: expected out of you. But okay, you would think a

462
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: high percentage of running backs that are in the first

463
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: round would hit. Yeah, they may not play ten years,

464
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,600
Speaker 1: but you get a good, solid first contract, you're.

465
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,200
Speaker 3: Gonna Yeah, you're gonna get a bang for your bucket

466
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: of and for what you're gonna pay him.

467
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: So I was off on my head.

468
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 3: I know.

469
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,959
Speaker 1: Josh Shacobs was one. Edwards Edwards say was the only

470
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 1: one that Barkley Okay, okay, so I'm just saying at

471
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 1: and Nauseie Harris gotcha, Okay, No, they're all hits.

472
00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,320
Speaker 3: A wide receiver. The hit rate was thirteen of twenty.

473
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: Good. I would maybe have guests hire.

474
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of those guys, you know, we're shaw Bateman,

475
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 3: for example, was a tough one.

476
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: I would not I didn't consider him a hit. Maybe

477
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: a year from now would change it.

478
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 3: But he's not.

479
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 1: He's just a guy and he hasn't been on the

480
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,800
Speaker 1: field a time. Yeah, he agreed, but you probably gave

481
00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: Za Flowers. I know he didn't do it. He didn't

482
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: do that. Okay. Yeah.

483
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 3: The best hit rate was on the interior offensive line.

484
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,640
Speaker 1: That doesn't shock me either, go to be a star.

485
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 3: Seven of the eight are legitimate dudes.

486
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,919
Speaker 1: But if you combined guard zan center, yeah, I.

487
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 3: Mean Quentin Nelson's in there.

488
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's a good grea.

489
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: It's a legit group.

490
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 1: I bet that goes through history too.

491
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, at center the numbers four or five.

492
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 1: Okay, who's the loser.

493
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think, oh, Billy Price, Yes, okay, a

494
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: tight end. The hit rate was two of four.

495
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 1: Okay, does that include the Najoku year? No, probably not.

496
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 1: It just missed.

497
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 3: Kyle Pitts and T. J. Hawkinson's were the hits. Noah

498
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 3: Fense and Hayden Hurst were the guys I didn't consider hits.

499
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,359
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree. I think we missed it by

500
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: one year. The three tight ends in one draft class

501
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: O J. Howard Ingram and the Joku. Two years ago,

502
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: we probably wouldn't have called Ingram or a joke a

503
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 1: hit right, and probably oh for three, But now I

504
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 1: think it's two for three.

505
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, looking on the defensive side of things,

506
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: defensive tackle also has a high hit rate nine of thirteen.

507
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: Wow, that surprised me a little bit.

508
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 3: Okay, Javon kinlong guys like that are.

509
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,680
Speaker 1: One was a mess. I mean, there's Quentin Williams and

510
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: Simmons and stun there's some stars. Yeah.

511
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,000
Speaker 3: Defensive end had a hit rate of twelve of eighteen.

512
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: Okay.

513
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 3: Linebacker hit rate was ten of eighteen. But that you know,

514
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 3: if I think if I broke that down to just

515
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: the inside linebackers, it would be much lower.

516
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: I had it to be a low hit rate. Yeah,

517
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 1: and even like Isaiah Simmons and Zavon Collins or in

518
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: the same team that didn't hit Yeah, it's just.

519
00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 3: Not not a I mean Broque might have been the

520
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: only one.

521
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 1: That recently it's really been worth a first and it

522
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: took him a while.

523
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,679
Speaker 3: When you look at cornerback the hit rate is ten

524
00:23:55,760 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: of nineteen, Okay, and there I guess Minnesota has a

525
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: really bad track record. I would Raiders have a bad

526
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: cornerbacks in the first round. I think the Vikings. It

527
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 3: took like two or three of them, yeah, and none

528
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: of them were.

529
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: None of them worked out either. I was taking like

530
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 1: Arquette with the Raiders too, but there was a stretcher

531
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: during this stretch of Raiders hurt every roun.

532
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 3: They were awful all the day.

533
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 1: Were Yeah.

534
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: They took Farrell, yeah right, he was one of the misses.

535
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 3: Defensive end yeah yeah, uh safety six.

536
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: Of eight, that's another one. You should be a pretty

537
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: high hit rate. Yeah, but I even like position excel early.

538
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: On your I know some people would consider Tourel Edmonds

539
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 3: a bust.

540
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: I did not.

541
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 3: He's a starting safety in the league.

542
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's about his boardlines you get though, Yeah, some

543
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: of these are not.

544
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,120
Speaker 3: No, if if he had been a top ten pick,

545
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: like if he was drafted where Mika Fitzpatrick was drafted,

546
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 3: even where Derwin James was taken in that same draft,

547
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 3: I'd say, no, he wasn't a hit.

548
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: And I'd say if that's if you gave that some accountability,

549
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 1: I would say, I'm with you then, okay, Yeah, But

550
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: I mean if he was first picking the.

551
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 3: Draft at twenty eight or twenty seven where he was taken, Okay,

552
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 3: he's he's a legit NFL starter.

553
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, yeah, it is what it is. So,

554
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: but he's as you then you brought this up on purpose.

555
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: I mean, he's as borderline as you get, and some

556
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: people aren't.

557
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 3: Yes or no, you know right, So what does that

558
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 3: tell us about this year's draft? Well, where's it strong at?

559
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: What was the tackle rate? Again?

560
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 3: Offensive offensive tackle was pretty high?

561
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: I remember it was pretty high.

562
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 3: What were we looking at here? I get to dig

563
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: through this year? Offensive tackle hit rate was? It's good radio.

564
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: You don't have your notes in front of you have

565
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: those I have what I've written here in front of

566
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: me while you're looking. Though, Like whenever I started to

567
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: learn about the draft, and you know, have not just

568
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,639
Speaker 1: be a seven or eight year old, you know, I

569
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: always thought and it was true definitely back then, that

570
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: early drafted tackles rarely missed. I mean there were a

571
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: lot of the Ogden's and Beselli's and pace and those

572
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: types of offense. Okay, I was thinking, I bet a

573
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: lot of them are also late in the round. Guys,

574
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: he's probably the fortieth or fiftieth best player in the draft.

575
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: We're taking him because he's a tackle, yeah, you know,

576
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: and we picked late and we're never gonna get one anyway.

577
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of those the offensive tackled even stuff was interesting.

578
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 3: If you remember the draft where it was worfs and.

579
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: It was uh oh yeah that Wills.

580
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, like Will's went to Thomas. Wills went before some

581
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: of those guys.

582
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: Yes, is he a hit. I think he's on the

583
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: Eddy Boarder line.

584
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's right there for where they took him top ten,

585
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: right right, and he's not as good as some of

586
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 3: the guys who were taking behind him.

587
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean that was considered a great tackle draft. Yeah,

588
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: I mean I gave him a hit on that borderlines Yeah, yeah, right,

589
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: wurfs and Thomas or home runs. Yeah, and okay that

590
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: that was a great tackle draft. And I think this

591
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: one's better though.

592
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 3: This one's better. So when you look at that in

593
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 3: this year's draft, you're safer taking those offensive tackles. You're

594
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 3: safer taking just an offensive lineman in general in general.

595
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a premium position now too. They're expensive.

596
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 3: It's it's safer to take the wide receivers. Cornerback can

597
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: be a little dicey. Quarterback hit rate really, if you

598
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: look at it, quarterback quarterback a little better than I thought.

599
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: It's it's better than you think, but that's largely propped

600
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: up from that four year for four for four in

601
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. You take that one out of the equation,

602
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: it's less than fifty percent. Yeah, which is worse than

603
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: any other position.

604
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 1: I wonder if we just did a study through a

605
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: different lens, like the last twenty draft classes was the

606
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: first round, what's your average gate per first round hit

607
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: rate of quarterbacks? Do you get fifty percent? You get

608
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: thirty percent? That is below fifty I bet it's below

609
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 1: I mean because that year was great obviously, but we

610
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: talked about Baker, Alan, Lamar, Rosen, Darnold. That's five first

611
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: rounders that year. Boy, is this draft class as good

612
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: as Rivers and Ben.

613
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 3: And Eli And two of them are hits.

614
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: Two of there hits. I mean, they're two the best

615
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: players in the league. Rose is even in the league.

616
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 3: Now, we might look back at this ten years from now,

617
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: we might look at that that twenty twenty draft class. Go, oh,

618
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:16,199
Speaker 3: it's Herbert to Burrow Jordan Love. You might start comparing

619
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 3: that one.

620
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that class. I don't think it's a

621
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: crazy stretch to say Burrow and Herbert are sort of

622
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: on the Hall of Fame pace. I mean, they don't

623
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: need to pick it up and get in the Super

624
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: Bowls and things. But Love's coming into his own, I

625
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: don't know, to ever be a star. But it's a

626
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: pretty good pick. Yeah, you know, I mean they're E's

627
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: going to make fifty million a year next year or something.

628
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, just for me, it tells us

629
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 3: where the NFL wants to what they want to pick,

630
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: yes in the first round, because not all of those

631
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: drafts worked out to the fact to the point where

632
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: you look at it and go, oh, you have to

633
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 3: take a cornerback for example.

634
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: And you could really nerd it up too, and put

635
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: finances in to it too, you know what I mean, Like,

636
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: is Edmund's a hit the same as what is a hit?

637
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: Of course they're not, you know. And even if what

638
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: if what were as good as Edmunds, it still would

639
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,239
Speaker 1: be a better pick. It's harder to find his position, right,

640
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? He could really nerd it up.

641
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean that's the don't draft running backs in the

642
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: first round conversation. You know, a guard I can get

643
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: things change so fast though too. I was about to say,

644
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: why I can go get a linebacker or a guard

645
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: in free agency? Yeah you can. But if you're gonna

646
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: go get a big time linebacker, it's gonna be Patrick

647
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: Queen money or more.

648
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: Then.

649
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: The guards made a fortune this year. You should be

650
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: able to get guards cheap for three four million bucks.

651
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Speaker 1: Plug them in and you're fine. You can't do that.

652
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Speaker 3: You look at that twenty twenty draft that we talked about,

653
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: with the quarterbacks being so good, that's a Borough draft. Yeah,

654
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 3: the cornerbacks in that draft. Jeff Akuda went third overall.

655
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Ouch Yeah.

656
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: Then it was CJ. Henderson at nine.

657
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: Not good. Uh.

658
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: Then you had aj Terrell.

659
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: At sixteen, Okay, that's fine.

660
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 3: After him was Damon Arnette by the Raiders in nineteen.

661
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Terrible pick.

662
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

663
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: Uh.

664
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Speaker 3: Then you had Noah Igwo ben A by the Dolphins

665
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Speaker 3: a thirty.

666
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's still in the league. He never

667
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: even started for them.

668
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Speaker 3: And then the Vikings took Jeff Gladney at thirty one.

669
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Speaker 1: That was one of the Viking Vikings and Raiders. Sure

670
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Speaker 1: did not help this conversation. No, wow, Okay, Yeah, that's

671
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Speaker 1: a really bad group. Is that the tackle class too?

672
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Speaker 1: Is that the worfs class?

673
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Speaker 3: He might be that, he might be that one.

674
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

675
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Speaker 3: But I mean there was five five cornerbacks taken in

676
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Speaker 3: that draft in the first round, and what one of

677
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:43,959
Speaker 3: them hit?

678
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Speaker 1: One of them hit Torell and he was the third

679
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Speaker 1: one out of five taken. Yeah.

680
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Speaker 3: The twenty draft, Yeah, was Andrew Thomas, Frederick Willis, Mackay

681
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Speaker 3: Beckton at eleven.

682
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

683
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 3: Then you had Tristan Wurf's, Austin Jackson, Isaiah Wilson, Like

684
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: there were some misses there.

685
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Speaker 1: Is, say Wilson's one of the worst picks. He's not

686
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: even in the years, right, I mean I don't know

687
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: if he ever even played for them. I mean he

688
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: had off field stuff and all kinds of stuff. See

689
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: that's why I was talking about trying to You're looking

690
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Speaker 1: at the twenty twenty first round, right, because that one

691
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: was quarterback heavy, you know, three picks early what we

692
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: thought at the time was a historically good tackle class,

693
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: and this one looks better, but we don't have crystal ball.

694
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: It also had Justin Jefferson, Ceedey Lamb, you know, I mean,

695
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: the corners didn't hit. But to your original point, maybe

696
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: we'll look at the twenty twenty draft kind of like

697
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: the Cam Newton Draft, the Cam Hayward Draft and be like,

698
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: that was just an awesome year.

699
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Speaker 3: So you look at that twenty twenty draft at the

700
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 3: receiver position, it's great. Well, Henry Ruggs went twelfth, he

701
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 3: was the first receiver. Yeah, right after him was Jerry

702
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 3: To be.

703
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: Fair, maybe he would have been a main football player.

704
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: Maybe, you know, Jerry Judy went next at fifteen.

705
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

706
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 3: Then Seedy got a hit, Ceede Lamb at seventeen.

707
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

708
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: Then you had Justin Jefferson at twenty two. Like re

709
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 3: Reger Brandon Ayuk at twenty five, and then Higgins went

710
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Speaker 3: in this first pick of the second round.

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00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, didn't Reger go right before Jefferson too? Uh?

712
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: No, riger or No, I'm sorry, you're right. Raager was

713
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:12,719
Speaker 3: there too.

714
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: I remember even at twenty one their mind. Yeah, they

715
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: took at Reger over Jefferson, which doesn't look so great.

716
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: Doesn't look so great. They could have taken Ayuk too.

717
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: But again, we don't have a crystal ball for this

718
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: upcoming draft, but that class looks a lot like this class. Yeah,

719
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, going into it, we know Burrow was gonna

720
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: be the first pick overall. You know, Tua was a

721
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: tank for Tua guy. At this point. There were some

722
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: questions about Herbert, you know, but you knew he's gonna

723
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: go pretty high. They'd like the receiver talent, five corners

724
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: with a bunch of tackles. I mean it's sort of

725
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: similar to this one.

726
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you know, the fact of the matter is

727
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: you just don't know with some of these guys.

728
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: And then going back to the last conversation, twenty twenty

729
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: one twenty two weren't very good classes. You know, like again,

730
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: you know, this was the last strong class, and I

731
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: think this upcoming class will start that again.

732
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean really, if you look at that, that

733
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: wide receiver, Michael Pittman was the eighth wide receiver taken

734
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 3: that year. Yeah, that's pretty nice, right after t Higgins.

735
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 3: Then you had the leviscous l kJ Hammler, Chase Claypole.

736
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Speaker 3: Van Jefferson was taken right after Chase Claypole.

737
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: Forget a second.

738
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: Denzel Mims was taken after Van Jefferson. Steelers. Uh, Antonio

739
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: Gibson went there in the third round. There he's now

740
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 3: a running back.

741
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: They called him. Yeah, yeah, he kind of was.

742
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,719
Speaker 3: Gabe Davis was a fourth round pick that year. I mean,

743
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: there were there were dudes. I'm just looking who was.

744
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 3: Darnell Mooney was a fifth round pick. kJ Osborne was

745
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 3: a fifth round pick, Donovan Peoples Jones and six Ques Watkins.

746
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: It was a sixth round pick, those guys and had Yeah, you.

747
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: Know, there were there were dudes all the way through

748
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 3: this draft that are are still playing in the league

749
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: and doing stuff.

750
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Speaker 1: And we're not Judy fans, but he's not a terrible

751
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: football player.

752
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: No, he's okay.

753
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: He's okay. And Ruggs is a little bit of an

754
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: off the field obviously a huge off the field situation.

755
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 3: You know, in the grand scheme of things, you much

756
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 3: rather have justin Jefferson, Yeah, Brandon Ayuk.

757
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: But that draft, did you know who are the I

758
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 1: would say Lamb and Jefferson are two of the top

759
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: four receivers on the planet right now. Yeah, and Ayuk's

760
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: in the top ten, right, ain't bad? Yeah.

761
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 3: So when you look at that and you say, well,

762
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: the Steelers got quest walk because he's a former six

763
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: round draft pick, well, most drafts he wouldn't have been

764
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Speaker 3: a six round draft.

765
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: That's a good receiver class.

766
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 3: He'd have been maybe a four. Yeah, yeah, because this

767
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 3: is just a loaded receiver class.

768
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: I mean you get he was actually the second Eagle the.

769
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 3: Steelers took one round. Yeah, the Steelers took Chase Claypool.

770
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: That you're at forty nine, pick forty nine, there were

771
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Speaker 3: already he was the eleventh receiver taken in.

772
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Speaker 1: That draft at forty nine. That could happen this year, yeah,

773
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: oh yeah. If the Steelers they receiver fifty one, he

774
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: might be the eleventh one off the board. Right. That's

775
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: I think this draft's pretty similar to this one coming up.

776
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, uh, just a little history lesson there. Yeah,

777
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: let's get to another break.

778
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Speaker 1: He is real quick. Yeah, well if you have it's

779
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: a little depressing. But if you ever go to draft history,

780
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: got calm and just go first rounds. After first rounds,

781
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys your team drafts in the

782
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: first round don't work out as much as you hope

783
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: they do on draft day. You know, it just it's

784
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: it can be a man tend of these pigs. Well

785
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: we're thinking, you know, it's not easy. No, it's not. Uh.

786
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Speaker 1: Yeah, from nor to come. Yeah, at your wardrobe.

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Speaker 3: That's always a fun thing of seeing what the what

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Speaker 3: numbers the rookies get here. And one of our favorite

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Speaker 3: draft analysts, Daniel Jeremiah.

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Speaker 1: And joined Us Combine, he has.

805
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Speaker 3: Put out his top fifty four point zero.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So, and this is one he does with his opinion,

807
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: not you know, mocking and things like that. So he

808
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: has Caleb Williams at number one. I might have the

809
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,919
Speaker 1: three receivers one, two, three. I mean just in terms

810
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: of how good a prospect they are.

811
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: He's got Harrison to a, Dounez a three, and Neighbors four.

812
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: Okay, not that's how much different.

813
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, Drake may Is five, Jade and Daniels six.

814
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: It's pretty strong six. Yeah.

815
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, those are probably going to be your first six

816
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: picks in the draft, unless McCarthy gets his name in

817
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 3: there or something.

818
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know that Alt can get in the

819
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: top six, but yeah, I think you're probably.

820
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: Right at seventy has brock Bowers Sure you.

821
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: Put him anywhere and not understand well not fiftieth.

822
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, at eight he has all that's up two spots.

823
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I mean he's a really solid tackle prospect

824
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: at nine.

825
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: Down one spot is Terry and Arnold's the first defensive

826
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: player that's rich for me.

827
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he'd be my number one corner and

828
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: I would definitely have tackles.

829
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: Think he's really good.

830
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: I like him. I mean I like him, but tough, physical.

831
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: Would you take him at twenty and not missabeat? He's

832
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: had a lost a lot of experience too.

833
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it wouldn't be but wouldn't be sad.

834
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: But he'd be a good steeler. I just think that's

835
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: a little early.

836
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 3: At ten he has to Lasi Fuaga. That's down a spot.

837
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: Well, I thought leitha more Forshanu fashion who keep corrected. Yeah,

838
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: he keep corrected people now and told hibout how he

839
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: bunts his name ounts.

840
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 3: And eleven up a spot is Troy Fatanu.

841
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: He loves him, he always has and I get it. Yeah.

842
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: The best thing I've heard about him is people say

843
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: he's a fun watch. There are many offensive linemen that

844
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 1: are fun watches, you know, but he is so active

845
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: he's so quick, plays with nastiness. I mean, he's a

846
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: really good player.

847
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: At twelve is Dallas Turner.

848
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: That's down a spot, Okay, I don't love him.

849
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 3: Thirteen holding Steady is Quinya Mitchell solid.

850
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that works.

851
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,760
Speaker 3: At fourteen holding Steady is Jared Verse.

852
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: Thin. It's a little rich for him too.

853
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 3: Fifteen is for Shanu okay or fresh fashion? Would you

854
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: say fashion fashion?

855
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

856
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 3: Fashion, okay, fifteen.

857
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: I'd probably have him higher. I'd probably have Latham higher.

858
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: I'd have Latham. I certainly have Latham ahead of him.

859
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 1: Do you have a Latham Fuaga preference at this point?

860
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: I have Latham ahead of I have. I have my

861
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 3: tackle rank as I just did these last night. I

862
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 3: have all one Latham to uh for Shwo three four

863
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: and then for Shanho.

864
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe i'll do mine tonight, but I'm thinking that's

865
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: I've kind of been thinking that's where I'm gonna be too.

866
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: I might have Fashion who one more spot higher.

867
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Speaker 3: I could see somebody liking fast Shane though, because I

868
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 3: think he can play a left tackle. He can play

869
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: left tackle.

870
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's different than everybody else.

871
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 3: He has up two spots at sixteen lay two too

872
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: late too.

873
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: I agree, I would have him over verse.

874
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 3: At seventeen he has Brian Thomas that's holding steady.

875
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't have concerns about Thomas, but it's a

876
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: fact he only runs like three routes at LSU, you

877
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean. He's really good at him and

878
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: he's super explosive, but you know, he doesn't run a

879
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: full routtree.

880
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: At eighteen down two spots is Latham maybe just because

881
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 3: he hasn't worked out.

882
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I get it can't help his cause.

883
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 3: Hey, if he pushes down and he's available at twenty.

884
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: Great, fantastic. He's a miller move yeah right. Yeah.

885
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 3: At nineteen he has Byron Murphy solid. Yeah yeah, yeah,

886
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 3: twenty is and this is up a spot. JJ McCarthy

887
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: be a tough.

888
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: One for me to place too. I mean, I think

889
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: we all recognize he's going to go higher than that. Yeah,

890
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: but who would I put him? I might even have

891
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: him lower. I'm just ranking prospects generically.

892
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: He says he sees some similarities between him and Alex

893
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: Smith coming out of college. Well, Alex Smith was number

894
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: one overall picking.

895
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: Isn't that?

896
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 1: Yeah? And high high character guy, big concern those are

897
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: the gros with the Browns. A huge concern with Smith

898
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: at the time, which sounds funny, is they played this

899
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: new spread offense thing. I don't know all that translates,

900
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, but the fact he was so smart it

901
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: made him attractive.

902
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: At twenty one up two spots is Chop Robinson.

903
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: Oh, that's the concerns about him. Too pretty rich for me,

904
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: short arms and not much production. Yeah, and not a

905
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: real violent player.

906
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 3: At twenty two down two spots is a Marius Mims.

907
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: I get it.

908
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: I mean there's questions if I had if I told

909
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 3: you today you could trade the twentieth pick overall for

910
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 3: Amarius Mims.

911
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: No, but he'd be like those close as you get.

912
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean like he'd be the one right over the line.

913
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: If you told me they could trade down to twenty

914
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: two and take Mems and pick up a third round pick,

915
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I'd say, yes, yeah, I mean, I mean, it's two spots,

916
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: but it's enough for me to say.

917
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 3: You know, at twenty three down a spot is Tyler Geiton.

918
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: I've been warming back up to him too, by the way,

919
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,439
Speaker 1: Like I feel like you, I everybody's been too hard

920
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: on him. He's got a lot to work with.

921
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 3: This is just that season when you start looking for

922
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 3: bad you know what's wrong with him?

923
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: You're really picking knits on some of these dudes. Yeah,

924
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 1: and he hasn't played much either. I mean he has

925
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: some of the mems stuff to him.

926
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 3: Twenty four up three spots is a guy I've warmed

927
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: up to a lot, and that's Graham Barton.

928
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been convincing me on him too. I just

929
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: don't know what the negatives are. Yeah, what's not the like?

930
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: And I think he's got size, he's fast, he's got agility,

931
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: the strength, and he can play four spots for you online.

932
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: I know you've brought this up, but we haven't talked

933
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: about it at least a week. His pro day was

934
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 1: ridiculous too. I mean it was ridiculous too. Yeah.

935
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he would you know, he's gonna go

936
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: out in five two five or something like that, and.

937
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: You wouldn't think about it.

938
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: Okay, he's so good prospect. No, he's a great prospect.

939
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: He's a great prospect. Yeah.

940
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 3: Uh at twenty five up three spots. He's gonna run

941
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: next Monday.

942
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: Degene the Cooper Degene.

943
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: He could the next time DJ comes out with this thing.

944
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 3: He may be top fifteen if he runs a four

945
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 3: to three five.

946
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is height. And wait, this guy was.

947
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: ESPN has a story on him today and I was

948
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: kind of scary.

949
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: I didn't click on it. I say, was right in

950
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: the front pend.

951
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 3: He was the one hundred champion. Oh it's crazy, the

952
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: long jump champion, like eighteen hundred points scorer in basketball.

953
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like could have played basketball and he just couldn't

954
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: play Division one basketball, mister Iowa or whatever in everything ron,

955
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 1: yeah and everything, and his highlight tape is crazy. Yeah.

956
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 1: So the concern, it's small one because he's my cornerback one.

957
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: All those things are straight line things, you know, they're

958
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: not changing direction, fluid oily hips, you know that type

959
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: of thing care you know, takes the ball away. Yeah.

960
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: So I was listening to Kuiper's they do a first

961
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: draft podcast, and Mel doesn't hide much anymore at this

962
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: stage of his career. He's like he's trying to teach

963
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: Field Yates. Mcshay's gone. He's talking to Field Yates and

964
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: he's like, Field, when I'm torn on two players, I

965
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: just picked the I put the faster one ahead of him.

966
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 1: Now you know speed is just that important.

967
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 3: Now.

968
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: I didn't feel that way in nineteen eighty five, but

969
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: I do now. If I'm torn between two receivers who

970
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: had the better forty, that's going to break the tie.

971
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: That's not a bad way of looking at it, you know.

972
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 3: I think if factor into like I was, if it's

973
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:38,800
Speaker 3: truly a tie. I was doing some triple take stuff

974
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: last night and I'm writing up the two Texas receivers.

975
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 3: Yeah there's a huge difference. Okay, so Worthy goes out

976
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:45,760
Speaker 3: and runs.

977
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure who's forty's better? Right, that's saying That's

978
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: what I think you're saying.

979
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: The four to one Thomas at one hundred and sixty

980
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 3: five pounds or the four three three at two hundred

981
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: and five.

982
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, here's four ten pounds weights to

983
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: strap to your back. See if you how you run that?

984
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: You know? Right? Absolutely? And that's a Aaron shot say.

985
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it's super easy math. But he has a

986
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: speed score where he just takes your forty time times

987
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: your weight. Yeah, and it applies very much to running backs.

988
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: At twenty six down two spots he has Edgeran Cooper.

989
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 1: He's always been super high on Cooper. That's probably about it.

990
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't think he's any chance to be in the

991
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: first round though.

992
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: At twenty seven, down two spots, he has a Donnie Mitchell.

993
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: That's the fifth receiver for him.

994
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 3: I think I believe so. Yeah, at twenty eight down

995
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: two spots, is he in a frakestraw?

996
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: We don't talk about him enough. But he's a quality player.

997
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah he is. He's just kind of in that no

998
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: man zone for the Steelers. Or he's not gonna be

999
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: the first round pick. He I'm gonna be the second

1000
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: round pick.

1001
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,479
Speaker 3: But at twenty nine is Bo Nicks.

1002
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I'm really torn anymore in Pennix versus Nicks.

1003
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: I am.

1004
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 3: I'm not a Knicks guy. I know.

1005
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: Both scare me in a couple of ways. Yeah. Oh,

1006
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: there's no doubt, without question.

1007
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 3: At thirty is checks Powers Johnson.

1008
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:02,839
Speaker 1: Does he say anything about him?

1009
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 3: Said he has experienced in all three interior line spots.

1010
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: I spent time at defensive tackle, outstanding at center. In

1011
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, he said, there there just aren't many

1012
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: holes in his game. I love his building, his bulldog

1013
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 3: playing style. No, yeah, nothing negative. Is there something we're

1014
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: missing here? He's a center prospect. I just we just

1015
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: went through the numbers in the draft. There's been four

1016
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: center prospects in the last five previous five drafts.

1017
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, Linderbaum and I mean five or four?

1018
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

1019
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: Four. I'm not sure JPJ is the first round pick.

1020
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't know when it's all said and done, and

1021
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:41,479
Speaker 1: especially Barton Graham.

1022
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 3: Barton will be but the team who drafts and might

1023
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: not play him at center, he could be a guarden.

1024
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah right.

1025
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: Thirty one is Nate Wiggins, Yeah, no problem with that.

1026
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: Thirty two is Johnny Newton.

1027
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: Okay, I think people are sleeping on him a little

1028
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: bit too.

1029
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 3: Thirty three is Michael Pennix.

1030
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, him versus Nicks is tough for me too.

1031
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 3: Thirty four is my guy lab Conky.

1032
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: He might be my fifth receiver, and Franklin from Oregon

1033
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: might be my fit. Pretty good, they're not slamming on

1034
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:08,880
Speaker 1: the door for me.

1035
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: Thirty five, up six spots is Xavier Worthy.

1036
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: He has value even when he's not catching the football.

1037
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I know he's skinny and all that, but

1038
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: he has a superpower.

1039
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 3: Thirty six kool Aid mckinstrey. That's up six spots. He

1040
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 3: ran and yeah tests the WK. Thirty seven down two

1041
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 3: spots is Zach Frazier.

1042
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: Okay, I know he's a special player, you know what

1043
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the second rounder.

1044
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 3: Thirty eight down one spot is Braden Fisk.

1045
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: There's some things that worry me about him too.

1046
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,720
Speaker 3: Steelers had him in for a visit yesterday.

1047
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's an energizer, bunny, there's no doubt.

1048
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you effort. Thirty nine down the spot

1049
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: is Darius Robinson.

1050
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: I'd rather Robinson the Fisk.

1051
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: Forty down a spot is Ricky Piersoll.

1052
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1053
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 3: Forty one down a spot is Peyton Wilson.

1054
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 1: Okay him verse Cooper's a conversation.

1055
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: Forty two up a spot is Troy Franklin.

1056
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't block anybody who's little too, but

1057
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: he's good at everything else.

1058
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 3: Forty three up two spots is Keyon Coleman.

1059
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: Ms up him and Franklin couldn't be any different.

1060
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: Forty four up two spots is Junior Colson. So he

1061
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 3: is three lineback five.

1062
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: It's top forty four, top forty four. Yeah.

1063
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: Forty five up two spots is Malachai Corley, another guy

1064
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: who was in yesterday.

1065
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: For the Steelers. Yeah, he would fit.

1066
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 2: Uh.

1067
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 3: Forty six up two spots. Marshawn neland quality player.

1068
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: We never talked about him, but yeah, I mean he's

1069
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: probably not gonna be relevant for the Steelers, but he

1070
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: could certainly end up in Baltimore or yeah, he's.

1071
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: End up playing against him.

1072
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1073
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 3: Forty seven up two spots is Roman Wilson.

1074
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: Okay, him vers Pierce All is tough for me. I'd

1075
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: probably prefer Wilson.

1076
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: Just yeah, bigger buddy. Lightly forty eight up two spots

1077
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 3: is a guy the Steelers had in today. That's mass Smith.

1078
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm surprise he's in the top fifty. It's climbing, climbing.

1079
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: I mean his good stuff were really really good. Yeah.

1080
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: Uh forty nine down five spots. Jordan Morgan.

1081
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 1: Okay, it depends what you're running. I mean he's a

1082
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: pure zone, get on the move type player.

1083
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:20,760
Speaker 3: Fifty. He was unranked before cornerback Max Melton out of Rutgers.

1084
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 3: We are not getting him in the fourth round of

1085
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 3: our marks anymore.

1086
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: No, probably second.

1087
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: The news is out now on Max Melton.

1088
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like Pro Football Focus does their superlatives for

1089
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,919
Speaker 1: every position, they called him the most athletic corner, which

1090
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 1: is hot saying something, Yeah, I mean at that position.

1091
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: Put this way, they dropped Kamari Lassiter out and brought

1092
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 3: or DJ dropped Lasted out and brought Max Melton in.

1093
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: He's he's much more athletic than last Yeah.

1094
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 3: If and there's similar size, and he plays he plays inside,

1095
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 3: he plays outside. That Rutgers defense was really good last year.

1096
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: But what if he was a bulldog. I mean he

1097
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: was a Georgia bulldog, we might be talking about at thirty.

1098
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 3: They've been talking about him as a potential first round pick,

1099
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: like it with Lassiter.

1100
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: I bet. I mean in terms of Steelers, it's fifty

1101
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: one or bust for him, I think, yeah, I mean,

1102
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: nless you're trading around or moving around, but currently constructed,

1103
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: I think he's really good football. I do too. Inside

1104
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: outside would be a really good addition. Absolutely and tough,

1105
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, tough. Yeah.

1106
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 3: That was Daniel Jeremiah's new top forty nice. We're going

1107
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 3: to get to a break. That's going to do it

1108
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Speaker 3: for our number one of the drive. We'll be back

1109
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Speaker 3: with our number two right after this