1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Hey, that folks did is Saturday, February fourteenth, and what 2 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: a development in the so called O Pair affair murder trial. 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: The old pair who made a sweet deal with prosecutors. Well, 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: the judge just ripped up that sweet deal. She is 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: not going free. In fact, she's going to prison for 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: a long time. And with that, welcome to this episode 7 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: of Amy and TJ. Rhobes. I did not see this 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: one coming. 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: Neither did I, and in fact, we had been obviously, 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 2: if you all have been following our feed, you have 11 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: been following this murder trial. We are talking about Brendan 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 2: Banfield and his O pair turned lover. We are talking 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: about Juliana maclays. They were both I mean, he was 14 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: found guilty and she admitted guilt to conspiring to kill 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: his wife Christine, and in doing so they lured a 16 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 2: man over to the home to pin the murder on 17 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: him and come out looking like heroes so they could 18 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: live happily. Ever after, so Juliana Mogoles decides to go 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: ahead and cooperate with the prosecution. She testified against Brendan Banfield, 20 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: which led to a guilty verdict and boom her sentencing hearing. 21 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: She's supposed to get out of jail free. Now. The 22 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: prosecutors agreed to say, hey, we will give you your 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 2: sentence as time served and you'll be on your way 24 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: back home to Brazil if you testify for us. 25 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: Boom. That was the deal. And frankly, you and I 26 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: and a lot of people had a problem with this 27 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: case in that it was his word against hers her word. 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: She had very much an incentive to lie, to say 29 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: whatever she wanted so she could get out of jail free. 30 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: That was the deal deal with the prosecutors. You turn 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: state's witness, testify for us, and we will let you 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: off scott free with a she has a manslaughter conviction. 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: But the prosecutor said, cut this deal with you, no 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: jail time. That's what they've been preaching for months and 35 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: throughout the entire trial. 36 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 2: It didn't seem fair. You and I both thought it 37 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 2: was pretty awful, And as a juror, I was thinking 38 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: that might weigh in on their decision as to whether 39 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: or not they even believed. 40 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: Her, because she shot the fatal blow right. 41 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: And she admitted to She admitted to actually shooting Joe Ryan, 42 00:02:14,760 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 2: the man they lure to Brendan Banfield's home, and she 43 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: delivered the fatal gunshot wound and she admitted it, and 44 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 2: I believe the forensics verified that she essentially killed him. 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: So here we are. Brendan Banfield got convicted a couple 46 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: of weeks ago. He's going to jail the rest of 47 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: his life. No possibility of parole, we were told. At 48 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: the end of that trial, the prosecutors asked, judge, is 49 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: Juliana good to go? Can she be released? Judges like, 50 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: knock yourself out and do what you want with her. However, 51 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: a little detail was missed is that you still have 52 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: to formalize this process. A prosecutor can say whatever a 53 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: prosecutor wants and make whatever deal a prosecutor wants, but 54 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: the judge is the one who has to officially sign 55 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: off on it. This judge, it was not on board. 56 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: Wow, when we found out this news, our job both 57 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: dropped because we covered this trial every single day and 58 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: so this was not something we expected. But the judge 59 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 2: in this case, yes, she went against the prosecution's recommendation 60 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 2: and she gave Juliana Maglays the maximum possible sentence for 61 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 2: manslaughter ten years plus a two another two years of 62 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 2: a suspended sentence. So Juliana Magulays is not going home 63 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 2: to Brazil. She is staying exactly where she's been since 64 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 2: eight months after those murders. 65 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: This is a hell of a development in this case. 66 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: And Rhodes, I think as a juror, you might have 67 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: looked at it a little differently if you knew this 68 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: woman was already going to prison for ten years and 69 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: has now shown up to testify. 70 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: Oh, it would have absolutely changed what I thought of 71 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: her testimony knowing that, And would she have testified though 72 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: if she had known that, or would she have taken 73 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: her chances with her trial. It's very interesting, but here 74 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: the judge, what the judge did is one thing which 75 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: was shocking. What the judge said to her, I think 76 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: I think probably felt very satisfying to the families of 77 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,119 Speaker 2: the victims, and they certainly spoke afterwards too. So there's 78 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: a lot to get to. But first off, the judge 79 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: gave the list of reasons why why she decided to 80 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: go against the prosecution's sweetheart deal. She said up until sentencing, 81 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: Juliana offered no remorse. She said, when Christine Banfield yelled 82 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 2: to her to call nine one one, she did not 83 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: when Joe Ryan began to move after Brendan Banfield shot 84 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 2: him in the head, he was not dead. She shot 85 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 2: him in the chest to make sure he was dead. 86 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: Those were the three reasons she said, you are not 87 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 2: getting out of jail. 88 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: It's incredible that the judge can look at it this 89 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: way and that the prosecutor's prosecution looked at it another way, 90 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: like you did all of this stuff, but we as 91 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: prosecutors are willing to let you go because we want 92 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: this other guy so badly. That's the justice system. It 93 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: works like that. You go after the bigger fish and 94 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: the one most responsible, but rodes the judge. I know 95 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: this is awful for her, but I think this looks 96 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: awful for the prosecution. 97 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: Oh, I think it does too. And the judge actually 98 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 2: admonished Juliana when she was given her sentence. She said, 99 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 2: let's get it straight. You do not deserve anything other 100 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: than incarceration and a life of reflection on what you 101 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: have done to the victim and his family. May it 102 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 2: weigh heavily on your soul. You do not deserve anything 103 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: other than life in prison. So the judge, if she 104 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 2: had her way, she made it very clear she would 105 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 2: have sent Juliana Magalais to prison for the rest of 106 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: her life period. 107 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: This is the most I can do, and I'm hitting 108 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: you with it. This was remarkable, and a lot of 109 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: people will probably tell you this was the right thing. 110 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 2: Oh, I feel it in my bones. It was the 111 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: right thing. You said the same thing yesterday when we 112 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: found out. You said this feels right. 113 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: It does, and nothing about it. It all felt icky. 114 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: The deal that was made, why she was doing it, 115 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: the whole Netflix deal, the producers and gonna make a movie, 116 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: and just her testimony, she didn't come off. Even if 117 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: everything she said was correct and true, she still was 118 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: not at the right messenger for it. 119 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 2: She didn't seem remorseful at all, to the judge's point. 120 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: Throughout that entire testimony, she seemed annoyed and irritated, and 121 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: even in her back and forth love letters with Brendan Banfield, 122 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: it was all about her and their love. It had 123 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 2: nothing to do with any sadness of remorse about what 124 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 2: happened to these two people. So interestingly enough, Juliana did 125 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,359 Speaker 2: get to speak to the victim's families and she was 126 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: very emotional, but again was not emotional when she was 127 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: testifying in that courtroom under oath during the trial, but 128 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: at sentencing she said, with tears and sobs, I know 129 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: my remorse cannot bring you peace. This next sentence got me. 130 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 2: I want to hear your reaction to this. She then 131 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: said to the victims' families, I hope you can sum 132 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: day understand that I really did not believe his plan 133 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: would actually happened. 134 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: What this is top That's awful, Okay, that's that's just 135 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: don't say it terrible. That's terrible. That's not taking responsibility. 136 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: And there were so many You had so many opportunities, 137 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: over so much time to stop. So that's that doesn't 138 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: She's trying. 139 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 2: She cares that the family thinks that she didn't really 140 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 2: want to do it. What that's where your head is 141 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: right now, in defense of your intentions. That is scary. 142 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 2: So then she also Juliana said this to the judge, 143 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 2: trying to again defend herself. I lost myself in a 144 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: relationship and left my morals and values behind. 145 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: Did you see the video? By chance? 146 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 2: I didn't see the video. 147 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm curious how this came off. We just weren't able 148 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 1: to get this up in front of us. I'm curious 149 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: how that came off because on paper it comes off terribly. 150 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: Oh, it comes off terribly. But listen to what the 151 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: judge said back to Juliana after she's literally this was 152 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: a back and forth. So Juliana says, I lost myself 153 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: in a relationship, Judge, I left my morals and values behind. Judge. 154 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 2: She's trying to get the judge to agree to the sentencing. 155 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 2: The judge says this to Juliana, you were texting and 156 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: speaking to Joseph Ryan, encouraging him to bring a knife 157 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 2: and ultimately through the phone conversation getting his consent, knowing 158 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: all along you were bringing him to his death. 159 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: That's a good clap back, if you will. To your 160 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: statement just doesn't fly. You are luring a man. You 161 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: are literally luring a man, and it's the whole story 162 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: is awful. But this was a button to this story 163 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: that again, I'm never a happy in some case like this, 164 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,079 Speaker 1: but it just didn't feel satisfactory. When he was going 165 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: to prison and the prosecutors were telling us she was 166 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: going home to Brazil, it just didn't feel right. This, 167 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: at least some semblance of justice gets closer with this. 168 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 2: Yes, agreed, And so when we come back. We're going 169 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 2: to tell you what the victims' families said to Juliana. 170 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: They were able to actually Joe Ryan's mom and An 171 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 2: were actually able to directly speak to her, and will 172 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: tell you why the family of Christine Banfield did not 173 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: get that same opportunity. Right. 174 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: We continue here on Amy and TJ with the pretty 175 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: shocking development that the O Pair and the Old Pair 176 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: affair trial after making a sweetheart deal with prosecutors to 177 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 1: get no jail time, judge refused to sign off on 178 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: that and sentenced her to ten years in Prison's Victim 179 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: impact statements are so important in these cases. Yes, they 180 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: can have an impact on what the judge does, but Robes, 181 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: this is their one moment. They've sat for years. This 182 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: the murder was twenty twenty e twenty twenty three, it's 183 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. They've been waiting for finality in all this. Well, 184 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: I am so glad that so much focus was on 185 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: Joe Ryan. 186 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 2: I agree in this because it wasn't during the trial. 187 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 2: And let's just point out again we're assuming that most 188 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 2: of you all followed along with us reporting on this trial, 189 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: but not only did Brendan Banfield in his trial say 190 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: he didn't kill Christine or Joe for the reasons why 191 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: anyone said they did. They also, Brendan's theory or Brendan's 192 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: narrative made it seem as though Joe Ryan was some 193 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 2: sadistic fiend who came over with a knife in this 194 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 2: violent sex act and stabbed Christine Banfield for no apparent 195 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: reason other than pure sadistical joy. I mean, that would 196 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: have to be the implication. So not only did he 197 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 2: malign Joe Ryan, he also maligned Christine Banfield and made 198 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 2: it seem like she also had deviant sexual needs and 199 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: that she had had affairs. None of that was proven. 200 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: So his convictions say he killed these two and then 201 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,440 Speaker 2: he tried to kill their reputations to defend him. So 202 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 2: imagine you're the family members. You've lost your loved ones, 203 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: and you have this murderer telling the world that your 204 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: beloved family member was a horrible person. It was evil, evil, 205 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: evil evil, and. 206 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: We get it. But we didn't hear a whole lot 207 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: about Joe Ryan, his background, what he was about, what 208 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: he liked, or he just wasn't the focus of the 209 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: trial and victim impact statements. His family showed up and 210 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: I'm and I was happy to see that we got 211 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: to hear more about him and hear from them, because 212 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: we really didn't. And he was the one guy in 213 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: this whole thing that had nothing to do with any 214 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: of it. 215 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was such an innocent I mean it was 216 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 2: so was Christine was an innocent victim. But he really 217 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 2: had nothing to do with this family or any of it. 218 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: So his mother, dear dre Fisher, actually appeared via video call, 219 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: and she talked about how the Christmas tree that was 220 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: up still up when he died, is still up in 221 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 2: her house. She hasn't taken it down. She has his 222 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 2: urn and his ashes underneath the tree and she says 223 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 2: good morning to him every morning. I mean that is Oh, 224 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: that's heartbreaking, she said. I can never unhear Joe's cries 225 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,559 Speaker 2: after he was shot, the cries of a dying man. 226 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 2: Joe didn't deserve to be used and thrown away and 227 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 2: treated as utterly disposable. She says to the judge, thank 228 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: you for listening and weighing the trail of pain and 229 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: loss that Juliana left in the wake of her calculated murder. 230 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: That is significant and members of Christine Banfield's family. Of course, 231 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: that's Brendan's wife. They attended the hearing, they were there 232 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 2: in person in Fairfax County, but they were not permitted 233 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 2: to speak because the manslaughter charge applied only to Joe 234 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: Ryan's killing. So Juliana Maglay's were only pleaded guilty to 235 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 2: killing Joe Ryan. That's who she admitted to killing, So 236 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 2: she wasn't charged with anything to do with Christine Vanfield, 237 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 2: so her family wasn't allowed to actually speak at the hearing. 238 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 1: But consider that Robes. It's tough, but they're saying that 239 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: Christine's Banfield's family is not a victim of Juliana Marglelaz. 240 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: I know that's technically what it is, but that's that 241 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: is hard to stomach. 242 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,359 Speaker 2: Because Juliana had such a personal relationship with Chris Christine. 243 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: I mean, that was clear throughout the trial from both 244 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 2: Juliana and from Brendan, So it's even that's a tough one. 245 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 2: But after sentencing, Ryan's mom actually spoke up again, and 246 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: I thought she was reacting to the judge's decision because 247 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: when she was speaking, obviously she did not know what 248 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: the judge was going to decide. Her reaction is is moving. 249 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 2: She said I couldn't be happier about the judgment. It 250 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: won't bring my son back, Joseph Ryan, but it proves 251 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 2: to the world that he had value and that he 252 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 2: was not disposable. He was loved by many, He was 253 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 2: loved by me. He was a good man, and he 254 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 2: was a great son. I don't need to forgive her. 255 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 2: I just need to move on and know my son's 256 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 2: memory is intact. I thought that was so important because 257 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 2: his memory got decimated. 258 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: He was discarded. He was nothing to these people. We're 259 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 1: actually going to bring a stranger in to kill him 260 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: so that we can frame him for killing somebody else. 261 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: He was thrown Oh, he was trash. He was nothing 262 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: to these people. And to think his family had to 263 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: experience that for the past three years. It was that part. 264 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: And I know what happened to Christine's awful. What happened 265 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: to both of them was awful. But he was the 266 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: one that just was an innocent bystander is something, and 267 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: that it's not even on the street got caught up 268 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 1: in gunfire or some acts. He was specifically targeted for 269 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: death and framing. 270 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 2: That's so evil, evil to. 271 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: Do with anything. So this was this case. It was 272 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: fascinating from start to finish, and I didn't know it 273 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: was going to continue to be fascinating. 274 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 2: I know this was this was a shocking ending, but 275 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 2: I think you know it was the right ending for everyone. 276 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: And by the way, Joe Ryan's mom and Christine Banfield's 277 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 2: family will all be at Banfield sentencing. They will get 278 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: a chance to speak up. Both of them will get 279 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 2: to speak at that sentencing hearing which is happening on 280 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 2: May eighth. Brendan Banfield facing life in prison without the 281 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 2: possibility of parole. That will not be a shocking ending. 282 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 2: But to hear these families finally get their say, to 283 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 2: get to say what they want to Brendan and what 284 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: they want to say to the judge. It's an important 285 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 2: part of closure. Again, it doesn't bring back any of 286 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: these victims, but it does give the family some sense 287 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: of closure and a real sense of justice. And with that, everyone, 288 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 2: thank you so much for listening to us. We always 289 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: appreciate you. I Amy Robuck alongside TJ. Holmes, and we 290 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: will talk to you soon.