WEBVTT - Gabriels 0:00:15.436 --> 0:00:22.556 Pushkin. Today we're featuring one of the most thrilling new 0:00:22.636 --> 0:00:27.116 groups and contemporary soul music, Gabriel's and Lucky for Us. 0:00:27.116 --> 0:00:30.356 They performed three songs, one of which is still unreleased 0:00:30.716 --> 0:00:34.236 live for Broken Record. The recordings were done in Austin 0:00:34.276 --> 0:00:36.436 a few months ago while they were there opening for 0:00:36.476 --> 0:00:41.076 Harry Styles and playing Austin City limits. Gabriel's consists of 0:00:41.196 --> 0:00:44.676 three very distinct pillars of talent. Lead singer Jacob Lusk, 0:00:44.836 --> 0:00:47.476 who was raised in comptoncing in gospel and went to 0:00:47.556 --> 0:00:50.956 high school with Kendrick Lamar, keyboardist and producer Ryan Hope, 0:00:51.036 --> 0:00:53.236 who grew up a lover of dance music in his 0:00:53.396 --> 0:00:57.876 native UK, and Los Angeles native Ari Belusian, who serves 0:00:57.916 --> 0:01:02.796 as Gabriel's in house composer and violinist. Gabriel's origin story 0:01:02.916 --> 0:01:07.316 is as unconventional as their diverse musical backgrounds. In twenty sixteen, 0:01:07.396 --> 0:01:09.956 Ryan Hope and Ari Blusian were hired to direct and 0:01:10.036 --> 0:01:13.076 score a commercial with a gospel choir. After hearing the 0:01:13.156 --> 0:01:15.916 choir director Jacob Blusk sing, a light went off for 0:01:15.956 --> 0:01:18.236 the both of them. Over the course of the next 0:01:18.236 --> 0:01:20.556 couple of years, the trio started to record him released 0:01:20.596 --> 0:01:24.636 songs independently until twenty twenty one, when their music caught 0:01:24.716 --> 0:01:29.516 fire online. Sir Elton John himself said their debut EP 0:01:29.916 --> 0:01:32.556 was one of the most seminal records he's heard in 0:01:32.596 --> 0:01:36.916 the last ten years. On today's episode, Rick Rubin sits 0:01:36.956 --> 0:01:39.076 down with Gabriel's to hear how they were able to 0:01:39.116 --> 0:01:42.436 create a working environment that allowed space for vulnerability and 0:01:42.556 --> 0:01:46.676 musical exploration, and Jacob Blusk tells a harrowing story about 0:01:46.676 --> 0:01:49.236 getting lost in the La County jail system in an 0:01:49.236 --> 0:01:51.276 effort to clear his name so he could appear in 0:01:51.316 --> 0:01:58.036 the finale of American Idol. This is broken record liner 0:01:58.076 --> 0:02:01.836 notes for the digital Age. I'm justin Richard. Before we 0:02:01.876 --> 0:02:04.636 hear Rick's interview with Gabriels, let's listen to them perform 0:02:04.716 --> 0:02:08.476 their upcoming new single Offering, recorded live at Arlan Studio 0:02:08.716 --> 0:02:28.676 and as in Texas. I don't want your love him 0:02:28.996 --> 0:02:35.996 one no more. I want to sacrifice. I've shown him 0:02:35.996 --> 0:02:40.196 proof down. I paid my does. Don't let you can 0:02:40.516 --> 0:02:46.996 at tire Mama, Hein raised, no fool. I know, yeah, 0:02:47.276 --> 0:02:52.556 you call the mocking bird right. My daughter told me 0:02:52.636 --> 0:02:57.236 a thing a cool You're bad. I hain't my advice? 0:03:01.876 --> 0:03:10.596 Show me this stingers man to me what he and something? 0:03:10.956 --> 0:03:21.276 Man don't want you harm one more? I need more time. 0:03:23.436 --> 0:03:28.476 You pick a bit. Damn it? Even your MoMA shap 0:03:28.876 --> 0:03:34.876 wasn't I walk on woking glass? Damness? Show man? She 0:03:35.076 --> 0:03:41.356 can't eve the shirt off my back to the fire. God, 0:03:41.556 --> 0:03:48.796 damn it. I'm tired. Why can't shoot? Just give me? 0:03:49.076 --> 0:03:57.036 Show me this thing was made to me? Whatever you 0:03:57.236 --> 0:04:10.076 need to me? Something I can't leave without show all 0:04:10.156 --> 0:04:17.876 of my dime. It's the true I watch the other 0:04:17.996 --> 0:04:26.476 shot makes some good away a bad turn Jay looking 0:04:26.636 --> 0:04:35.156 back as a start, but she can't do rag behind 0:04:38.396 --> 0:04:56.996 some show me distinguishment to me, give me, tell me 0:04:57.156 --> 0:05:27.596 I shouldn't it's me? Give me something whatever mention. Once again, 0:05:27.836 --> 0:05:32.036 that was offering off Gabriel's debut album, Angels and Queen's 0:05:32.156 --> 0:05:36.876 Part Two, recorded in one take at Arlan Studios in Austin, Texas. 0:05:37.476 --> 0:05:40.196 And now here's Rick Rubin with Jacob Lusk, Ryan Hope 0:05:40.276 --> 0:05:43.756 and r Belusian. First of all, why are you guys 0:05:43.756 --> 0:05:46.876 in Texas? We opened for Harry Styles? How was that? 0:05:46.956 --> 0:05:49.876 And how had that come to pass? Sha? I don't 0:05:49.876 --> 0:05:53.236 even know now I say that he asked for us 0:05:53.236 --> 0:05:54.356 to open for him. So he has a lot of 0:05:54.356 --> 0:05:56.836 different people opening for him. So I was told that 0:05:56.876 --> 0:05:58.796 he asks for us to open for him, Like he 0:05:58.836 --> 0:06:01.236 was the one who made that happen. I don't know, 0:06:01.876 --> 0:06:06.516 but it happened, and it was marvelous. He's actually a 0:06:06.636 --> 0:06:10.996 really nice guy. Yes black, he's genuine, Yes he is. 0:06:11.076 --> 0:06:12.796 I said, oh, this is what Alam Girls is going. 0:06:12.836 --> 0:06:16.436 Graze absolutely was that first like really big gig. That's 0:06:16.556 --> 0:06:19.476 where we did glass Glus where it wasn't it was 0:06:19.516 --> 0:06:21.916 ten thousand. It was outside a little different. So we 0:06:21.956 --> 0:06:24.396 did Elton John earlier this year, but it wasn't like 0:06:24.436 --> 0:06:28.836 it was different. Elton John happened. He found out our AP. 0:06:29.116 --> 0:06:30.836 I don't even know how he got it. We found 0:06:30.836 --> 0:06:33.436 our AP and he basically he asked us to on 0:06:33.516 --> 0:06:36.516 his Apple Music show. And this was before labels and everything. 0:06:36.596 --> 0:06:39.556 This was when we yeah, we self released it with 0:06:39.716 --> 0:06:41.636 like we put vinyl out ari and I you know, 0:06:41.676 --> 0:06:44.796 we release our own records and soundtracks, sorry soundtracks. Some 0:06:44.916 --> 0:06:46.916 kind of even was out on our label a Prayoser 0:06:47.236 --> 0:06:49.236 because we have a production company called the Prayerser that 0:06:49.316 --> 0:06:51.236 we released vinyl flu as well. It's just it's a 0:06:51.236 --> 0:06:54.356 backyard operation, but it's a studio that R and I 0:06:54.396 --> 0:06:57.236 worked through doing scoring and production, film production and stuff, 0:06:57.236 --> 0:06:59.036 and it's it's awesome. The people that we work with, 0:06:59.116 --> 0:07:02.156 you know, to like a boutique job, but they're putting 0:07:02.156 --> 0:07:04.716 the vinyl out is very backyard operation. That's just something 0:07:04.756 --> 0:07:06.436 we digs. We love to do it, like fucking put 0:07:06.436 --> 0:07:08.596 it out. We put out vinyl. And then Elton John 0:07:08.876 --> 0:07:11.476 some got old of it and he puts on his 0:07:11.556 --> 0:07:14.396 app with Music Show and then he just yeah, he 0:07:14.396 --> 0:07:16.556 said really nice things. He called the ape the most 0:07:16.596 --> 0:07:19.956 seminar apa in the last ten years, incredible and he 0:07:20.076 --> 0:07:22.676 listens to everything, so he knows, I'll tell you, he 0:07:22.716 --> 0:07:26.756 listens to every everything. It's crazy great taste. Yeah, I 0:07:26.836 --> 0:07:28.996 mean it was a big moment for us that really 0:07:29.476 --> 0:07:31.236 kind of like put it to have that happened when 0:07:31.436 --> 0:07:33.716 of course, you know, from something were just released, because 0:07:33.916 --> 0:07:36.316 that was really the three of us just releasing our music. 0:07:36.396 --> 0:07:40.276 It's like it never gets old when someone that do 0:07:40.276 --> 0:07:42.556 you think makes great things like something you do, it 0:07:42.596 --> 0:07:45.636 never gets Yeah, it's a great feeling. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 0:07:45.716 --> 0:07:48.156 It just it was like, honestly, it was really just 0:07:48.356 --> 0:07:49.756 I don't know, you know, the whole thing of like 0:07:50.196 --> 0:07:52.836 the Blue getting on the radio. It seems like everything 0:07:52.956 --> 0:07:56.036 so moved away from that. It's more streaming, it's more 0:07:56.076 --> 0:07:59.356 like social media bullshit. When we signed out a record deal, 0:07:59.676 --> 0:08:03.036 there wasn't one single photograph of the three of us. 0:08:03.156 --> 0:08:06.036 Amazing in the same fucking real amazing. I think when 0:08:06.076 --> 0:08:07.636 we signed the deal, I remember the masking for a 0:08:07.676 --> 0:08:10.676 picture of us, and none of none of had a photograph. 0:08:10.756 --> 0:08:13.796 We've known each other for years, living, none none of 0:08:13.836 --> 0:08:16.476 us had a picture on our phones or anything. So 0:08:16.516 --> 0:08:20.876 since the club show to playing with Harry Styles the 0:08:20.876 --> 0:08:23.236 other night, have you guys done loads of shows or 0:08:23.236 --> 0:08:27.916 a few shows? Maybe like thirty forty I'm not even 0:08:27.916 --> 0:08:30.396 probably not that many. And where would you have played 0:08:30.716 --> 0:08:33.796 Royal Albert Hall? Well we didn't. That haven't count all. 0:08:33.916 --> 0:08:37.316 That was an hour show. I see. It was for 0:08:38.076 --> 0:08:42.356 Letters Live, Letters Live one song. It was really cool, amazing, 0:08:42.556 --> 0:08:45.716 it was incredible. You know, I know about you guys 0:08:45.756 --> 0:08:50.036 tangentially because of Jamie who does Letters Live. Now? Is 0:08:50.036 --> 0:08:52.756 that so Amy Sullivan is a friend of mine. I 0:08:52.796 --> 0:08:56.196 think she works with Jamie and she was telling me 0:08:56.236 --> 0:08:58.956 about your book. Yeah, is that Jamie is is that 0:08:58.996 --> 0:09:01.916 who you did the book? Yes, Caningate is the publisher 0:09:01.996 --> 0:09:04.476 who was publishing in the book in the UK. And 0:09:04.556 --> 0:09:08.236 I was in London doing book related stuff right and 0:09:08.316 --> 0:09:11.076 Jamie said, up this lunch at a place called Cocos, 0:09:11.156 --> 0:09:17.476 which is a club, and I believe it was the 0:09:17.716 --> 0:09:20.396 person from Cocos who said you might want to check 0:09:20.436 --> 0:09:24.196 out this. I think you might like this. Nick shut out, 0:09:29.196 --> 0:09:32.556 And that was just maybe three weeks ago. Wow, that's 0:09:33.036 --> 0:09:34.676 three weeks ago. It's like, I feel like you might 0:09:34.716 --> 0:09:38.076 like this. That's my guy. I'm driving. I'm driving in 0:09:38.116 --> 0:09:40.636 the car and I put it on and he recommended 0:09:40.676 --> 0:09:43.196 which what to start with and it comes on. I'm thinking, like, 0:09:43.756 --> 0:09:45.476 I think it's a mistake because this sounds like this 0:09:45.556 --> 0:09:47.276 maybe this is an old record, you know, like this 0:09:47.316 --> 0:09:50.756 is something that came out in the sixties or seventies, 0:09:50.756 --> 0:09:53.196 Like this is an old record. And then I look 0:09:53.236 --> 0:09:57.116 and I look at the date twenty one. It's like, 0:09:58.036 --> 0:10:02.076 is it a sample? It's like what already playing the drums, 0:10:02.076 --> 0:10:04.956 already playing the case. I couldn't figure out what it was. 0:10:04.996 --> 0:10:09.076 But it also it didn't sound retro. It just sound 0:10:09.156 --> 0:10:11.156 und it like it was from another time. Yeah, it 0:10:11.196 --> 0:10:13.436 didn't sound like it was trying to sound like another 0:10:14.516 --> 0:10:18.156 It just sounded like what is this? And then it's 0:10:18.196 --> 0:10:20.636 like I couldn't figure it out what it was that 0:10:20.636 --> 0:10:25.036 that was the beginning of the Experienced. And then I 0:10:25.076 --> 0:10:28.676 sent that to my friend Justin who yeah we met here, Yeah, yeah, 0:10:28.716 --> 0:10:30.956 who does the podcast. I just said, what's up with 0:10:30.996 --> 0:10:33.596 these guys? And he's like, believe it or not, they're 0:10:33.596 --> 0:10:35.156 gonna be in Texas. When you're going to be there, 0:10:35.196 --> 0:10:39.676 it's like, okay, get the fuck out. Meant to be. 0:10:39.916 --> 0:10:42.396 But honestly, because you know, like yeah, you're he'd been 0:10:42.396 --> 0:10:44.756 a huge inspiration for us, like particularly for like Ari 0:10:44.876 --> 0:10:46.996 and I, you know, it produces. It's kind of like 0:10:47.036 --> 0:10:49.876 this thing where we were like, whoa, we're doing this 0:10:49.956 --> 0:10:51.836 right now. But to hear how it came around, it's 0:10:51.876 --> 0:10:55.636 just crazy. It's sexual conversation. Put it on just like 0:10:55.836 --> 0:10:57.596 I want to know more. And I still I didn't 0:10:57.596 --> 0:11:00.396 even know is it a group? Yeah? I thought Gabriel's 0:11:00.756 --> 0:11:03.916 maybe it's like brothers and sisters. Yeah, you know, maybe 0:11:03.916 --> 0:11:09.676 it's a family. I had no idea of that family idea. Also, 0:11:09.676 --> 0:11:11.716 because it was harmony, it's like, oh, maybe it's like 0:11:11.716 --> 0:11:16.996 a family that sings together. Amazing. That's why it sounds 0:11:16.996 --> 0:11:21.636 so no, no, no, that's why it sounds familiar because 0:11:21.756 --> 0:11:24.076 it's your voice. But you know how when brothers and 0:11:24.116 --> 0:11:28.276 sisters sing together, it's like there's a blend that doesn't 0:11:28.316 --> 0:11:31.676 happen when it's just random people. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm 0:11:31.676 --> 0:11:33.356 a little weird. I've done a lot of studio sessions, 0:11:33.396 --> 0:11:35.156 so I like trying to tweak my voice sometimes and 0:11:35.236 --> 0:11:37.356 I do the harmonies and stuff. It's great. Weird, but 0:11:37.796 --> 0:11:42.916 it's great. Wow, that's a crazy story. Yeah, amazing, Yeah, 0:11:42.956 --> 0:11:46.076 I come, yeah so wild. We'd love to play some 0:11:46.116 --> 0:11:58.996 songs for play some song. Let's play some songs. Shock, 0:11:59.636 --> 0:12:16.956 gosh time, Oh you come Shore Fi all the sun 0:12:16.956 --> 0:12:21.556 It's bad, but not for me. Don't bring the truth 0:12:21.996 --> 0:12:26.116 to the shame. I ken that shit show good a 0:12:26.236 --> 0:12:29.996 pump me to my knees about all the good and 0:12:30.156 --> 0:12:43.596 love and the WoT shavement. Cobley, all the eye, bring Coble, 0:12:47.036 --> 0:13:01.116 all running in my van. Dobble. I can't escape you, Dobble. 0:13:03.876 --> 0:13:35.756 I've asted eye all times, had people changed the same? 0:13:36.036 --> 0:13:45.956 We go dance, You'll be k me robid and everybody 0:13:46.116 --> 0:13:50.276 knows I must be sinking a head down. Fuck, I 0:13:50.396 --> 0:13:57.236 can't let you ship so sweet down sugar cane, gut 0:13:57.316 --> 0:13:59.796 me on my knees. But it's no way. I'm right 0:14:05.996 --> 0:14:39.036 only running in my vag candescape stit alright, another da 0:14:40.356 --> 0:14:57.716 old as time, Another four lost his mind. That was 0:14:57.796 --> 0:15:01.876 Gabriel's performing Taboo Live. We'll be right back with more 0:15:01.956 --> 0:15:09.356 from their conversation with Rick Rubin after a break, We're 0:15:09.396 --> 0:15:13.156 back with more of Rick Rubin and Gabriel's. So how 0:15:13.196 --> 0:15:16.076 did this project come to be? I was in college 0:15:16.396 --> 0:15:22.116 and at UCLA and from originally Los Angeles, the Valley, 0:15:22.756 --> 0:15:27.196 and I kind of stopped doing music in college. I 0:15:27.356 --> 0:15:29.636 was like classically trained on the viola or whatever, so 0:15:29.716 --> 0:15:31.876 I was kind of playing in orchestras and stuff. But 0:15:31.996 --> 0:15:35.516 then I lost interest in like being a professional musician whatever. 0:15:35.636 --> 0:15:38.476 So I was studying like linguistics and stuff, and then 0:15:38.516 --> 0:15:41.596 I just started getting into working on my friends, like 0:15:41.716 --> 0:15:44.836 short films and stuff like that. So I did one 0:15:44.956 --> 0:15:48.636 thing with someone who was an intern at the company. 0:15:48.756 --> 0:15:52.396 Ryan was signed to as a commercial music video director. 0:15:52.756 --> 0:15:55.596 I should say still I'm sign at the moment, so 0:15:55.716 --> 0:15:59.156 let's just get back. But yeah, it was kind of 0:15:59.236 --> 0:16:02.236 like a string quartet, church hymn kind of thing that 0:16:02.396 --> 0:16:04.916 was done to this kind of practical effects little film 0:16:04.956 --> 0:16:06.876 my friend had made. So then yeah, it was amazing. 0:16:06.956 --> 0:16:08.836 I mean I heard it. That's kind of how I 0:16:08.916 --> 0:16:10.556 read out to him because I was just that. It 0:16:10.676 --> 0:16:12.836 was my first week actually moving to la I used 0:16:12.876 --> 0:16:15.836 to from Sunderland and the northeast of England originally and 0:16:15.916 --> 0:16:19.276 then via London. I got approached by Roman Coppler's company 0:16:19.316 --> 0:16:21.116 to move over and I was directing a video for 0:16:21.196 --> 0:16:24.756 Farrell and two Chains actually some music films. My background 0:16:24.796 --> 0:16:27.196 and all about backgrounds. Really as are he says with 0:16:27.276 --> 0:16:30.476 their researcher. Actually he was like putting together the treatment 0:16:30.516 --> 0:16:33.796 for the job and I heard Ari's music because I 0:16:33.956 --> 0:16:36.316 loved it. Really that was about ten years ago now, 0:16:36.516 --> 0:16:38.956 And next thing I knew, I was in Ari's apartment 0:16:39.156 --> 0:16:42.356 and his apartment was tiny, it was fifty percent bed 0:16:42.436 --> 0:16:44.716 and then he had two Timpanies in there and didn't 0:16:44.716 --> 0:16:46.916 have the Internet. And immediately was like, this is my guy, 0:16:47.996 --> 0:16:50.436 you know, seeing I was like, anybody who's just shipped 0:16:50.436 --> 0:16:53.196 two Timpanies from Detroit to take up fifty percent of 0:16:53.276 --> 0:16:57.156 your apartment, I'm down with. So anywhere we basically became 0:16:57.196 --> 0:16:59.956 really good friends and we were He cooked me up 0:16:59.956 --> 0:17:03.196 with the studio in North Hollywood. We were making music 0:17:03.276 --> 0:17:06.876 together for years for film and we were making films 0:17:06.916 --> 0:17:09.916 together as well. And that's how you met Jacob, who 0:17:09.956 --> 0:17:11.996 came into a custing for a job that I was doing. 0:17:12.436 --> 0:17:14.516 And they were the fourth choir who him in. He 0:17:14.596 --> 0:17:17.996 was a choir director and I basically just I mean, 0:17:18.076 --> 0:17:22.876 it doesn't take a science. So they have very guerrilla tactics. 0:17:23.556 --> 0:17:27.436 So they booked the choir. I auditions really stressed me out. 0:17:27.596 --> 0:17:29.556 My aunt was like, well, Jacob, can you take the 0:17:29.676 --> 0:17:31.716 church choir? And I was just like, yeah, I'm not 0:17:31.836 --> 0:17:33.436 really want to audition and do all that, Like I 0:17:33.436 --> 0:17:36.036 don't want to go through that. So she talked really 0:17:36.116 --> 0:17:38.836 bad about me. So I ended up doing it anyway, 0:17:39.116 --> 0:17:40.756 Like who do you think you are? You think you're hot? Shit? 0:17:40.956 --> 0:17:43.756 Huh fuck you? So I did it. And they how 0:17:43.756 --> 0:17:47.756 many were in the choir? Fifteen maybe yeah, twelve maybe 0:17:47.756 --> 0:17:49.956 it's yeah. And it was the church choir. So these 0:17:49.996 --> 0:17:52.436 are like the pastor was in the choir. These are 0:17:52.476 --> 0:17:56.236 like normal everyday working class They weren't like professional singers, 0:17:56.836 --> 0:17:58.796 and so they booked them. I think they booked them 0:17:58.876 --> 0:18:01.876 because of the energy and the vibe. They could sing too, 0:18:02.036 --> 0:18:04.076 but we're like a family church. Everyone was really close 0:18:05.116 --> 0:18:08.636 in Lamurt Park, like Crenshaw area. So they booked the 0:18:08.716 --> 0:18:11.916 choir and then they went to Ari's studio. I didn't 0:18:11.916 --> 0:18:14.236 go because I was like, I'm not going. Y'all can 0:18:14.316 --> 0:18:17.876 go so that Sunday and true Ryan is the kind 0:18:17.916 --> 0:18:20.156 of person and Ari too. If they want to get 0:18:20.196 --> 0:18:21.716 it done, they're gonna get it done. But it was 0:18:21.716 --> 0:18:26.396 always idea. He was like, I was just kind of 0:18:26.596 --> 0:18:29.836 like I was so involved up. It was always idea, 0:18:29.876 --> 0:18:32.916 which was a pretty divided in Did you already know 0:18:33.316 --> 0:18:35.716 in your minds it's a group or no, not at all. 0:18:36.356 --> 0:18:38.316 I know this is a long story. I still not 0:18:38.436 --> 0:18:41.876 sure it is. So they come to the church and 0:18:41.916 --> 0:18:43.636 when I get out of church, they have set up 0:18:43.676 --> 0:18:46.956 a remote studio in the choir room. Now at this 0:18:47.076 --> 0:18:49.196 point they hadn't heard me sing, but I think the 0:18:49.236 --> 0:18:51.076 people in the choir were like, oh, Jacob is the 0:18:51.156 --> 0:18:53.636 guy who do sings and does all this. We just 0:18:53.756 --> 0:18:55.316 do what he tells us to do. No, we saw 0:18:55.396 --> 0:18:58.036 you sing in the church service. Oh you did? Okay? 0:18:58.316 --> 0:19:01.316 Afterwards that if he tried to it with most Like 0:19:01.676 --> 0:19:04.876 he literally just was like this was at the early stages, 0:19:05.116 --> 0:19:07.556 and this this wasn't even just trying to like be 0:19:07.636 --> 0:19:09.076 a group or anything. We were just trying to get 0:19:09.156 --> 0:19:12.636 the job were j It just became really clear at 0:19:12.676 --> 0:19:15.316 a certain point where Jacob was direct, he knew all 0:19:15.356 --> 0:19:17.716 the parts, you know, he could arrange the whole choir, 0:19:17.836 --> 0:19:20.236 and he was leading everybody, and the job was still 0:19:20.996 --> 0:19:24.516 a piece of music for a movie. That's kind of 0:19:24.596 --> 0:19:26.116 like that we started there. So it was like this 0:19:26.236 --> 0:19:29.036 thing where we ended up getting to really good friends 0:19:29.116 --> 0:19:31.436 went in the process and we were just sort of 0:19:31.516 --> 0:19:33.676 like mating up at either are his place or my 0:19:33.796 --> 0:19:36.956 place out in the desert, and these guys would come 0:19:36.996 --> 0:19:39.596 out and stay and we were honestly just making music, 0:19:39.996 --> 0:19:42.756 really failing our way of how to make songs. And 0:19:42.876 --> 0:19:44.876 there was something where like I can think speak on 0:19:44.956 --> 0:19:46.916 be off the three of us that when we left 0:19:46.996 --> 0:19:49.636 these times when we like would come together hang out 0:19:49.636 --> 0:19:51.196 for a few minutes, I mean, these guys stay at 0:19:51.236 --> 0:19:53.076 my house, and it was like all of a sudden, 0:19:53.116 --> 0:19:55.516 like Jake was like this guy's like were stay in 0:19:55.596 --> 0:20:00.396 his house, Like Yeah, Jacob to this day never really 0:20:00.436 --> 0:20:02.596 he never he never stays out anywhere. He's like he's 0:20:02.676 --> 0:20:06.356 really a little bit. But he really didn't. He didn't 0:20:06.436 --> 0:20:08.796 let us know that that he was like honestly, it 0:20:08.876 --> 0:20:13.476 was just something internally was like crazy, actually see this out. Yeah, 0:20:13.596 --> 0:20:16.316 And we just were making music for fun, and we 0:20:16.356 --> 0:20:18.236 would stay for like a week, and we were just 0:20:18.436 --> 0:20:21.276 really slow process. Maybe stay for a week, maybe get 0:20:21.396 --> 0:20:24.236 like one or two songs, like little ideas, and we 0:20:24.316 --> 0:20:26.996 were kind of seeing where we all, this is happening 0:20:27.036 --> 0:20:30.116 in La or was this happening I was happening in 0:20:30.156 --> 0:20:32.356 the desert at the time, because I moved out there 0:20:32.396 --> 0:20:34.996 to write the film with somebody who key would coop 0:20:35.036 --> 0:20:36.996 came to live with me for a year. So these 0:20:37.036 --> 0:20:40.636 guys would come in week one. So everybody lives in California, now, yeah, 0:20:40.876 --> 0:20:44.796 well I'm half of I live in LA but it's 0:20:44.796 --> 0:20:46.996 spent a lot of time in the UK. I see yeah, 0:20:47.156 --> 0:20:49.316 I see yeah. And I live up in Pinion Crest, 0:20:49.396 --> 0:20:51.236 up in the mountains and just got a place out there, 0:20:51.236 --> 0:20:54.436 and then Ari's in Burbank. And then as we started 0:20:54.556 --> 0:20:56.956 when we did Loyalty, that was the first song we 0:20:57.036 --> 0:20:59.876 actually really finished. Was for a proud of commercial that 0:21:00.076 --> 0:21:02.996 R and I were working on, and we did the 0:21:03.276 --> 0:21:06.876 song basically for the commercial and then the song was 0:21:06.956 --> 0:21:10.116 just strong. All these people were like hit so just like, oh, 0:21:10.156 --> 0:21:11.756 you've got any more material and we're like yeah, and 0:21:11.796 --> 0:21:13.396 we had fuck all you know what I mean? We 0:21:14.316 --> 0:21:20.916 because that twenty eight thing. Yeah, yeah, and that was 0:21:20.956 --> 0:21:22.516 the first thing that felt like we were like, oh 0:21:22.596 --> 0:21:24.716 we have us this is a song, you know. And 0:21:24.836 --> 0:21:27.276 it was strange because we actually wrote the length of 0:21:27.316 --> 0:21:30.356 a whole song or was it just sixty second and 0:21:30.436 --> 0:21:33.076 then we were like add an extra verse and it 0:21:33.796 --> 0:21:35.916 back and yeah, and then we made it a complete 0:21:36.116 --> 0:21:38.196 and then it ended up on Radio one in the UK, 0:21:38.636 --> 0:21:40.436 like and we had it was or there were any 0:21:40.476 --> 0:21:43.356 other songs nothing. Yeah. What was funny was we wrote 0:21:43.396 --> 0:21:46.156 the lyrics based on what the little short film was 0:21:46.196 --> 0:21:49.116 about in a weird way, so it just gave immediate 0:21:49.236 --> 0:21:51.876 content to write about in this way, which is very 0:21:51.956 --> 0:21:54.156 much the style of what we've developed. Right. It's like 0:21:54.236 --> 0:21:56.996 it started like it's like that, but really like even 0:21:57.156 --> 0:21:59.516 we just did the Taboos, our most recent song right 0:21:59.596 --> 0:22:02.156 like that we wrote Yeah, we we literally wrote that 0:22:02.316 --> 0:22:04.156 third song. We just played that. We wrote that like 0:22:04.236 --> 0:22:07.716 eight weeks ago. Oh yeah, seven weeks ago. But but 0:22:07.836 --> 0:22:10.836 our writing vibe is it's very cinematic and that we 0:22:11.356 --> 0:22:13.356 and I've done some acting in some theater and stuff. 0:22:13.676 --> 0:22:16.076 We literally in TV and film whatever, but we literally 0:22:16.116 --> 0:22:18.396 sit ourselves in the room of whatever it is, What 0:22:18.476 --> 0:22:20.636 does it smell like, what does it feel like? And 0:22:20.836 --> 0:22:24.716 once we get that clear, the songs just like the 0:22:24.876 --> 0:22:26.756 thing what's been like the thing that's been a real 0:22:26.836 --> 0:22:29.316 cutlast that we've been wrangling with is like that's been 0:22:29.436 --> 0:22:31.716 the thing that we've done from get go. I mean, 0:22:31.756 --> 0:22:33.676 I met Ari is like a composer. You know, he 0:22:33.796 --> 0:22:36.396 was composing films when I met him, and it's like 0:22:36.516 --> 0:22:38.956 this thing where the three of us about this film thing. 0:22:39.076 --> 0:22:42.196 But we've kind of been through this process where that 0:22:42.396 --> 0:22:47.036 just yeah to technique for writing lyrics. But what's the point, right, 0:22:47.076 --> 0:22:49.876 It's kind of like something we've been development of getting 0:22:50.156 --> 0:22:53.396 the heart into that from a personal angle is what 0:22:53.636 --> 0:22:55.516 we've been working on. And in order to do that, 0:22:55.716 --> 0:22:58.156 you kind of need to trust each other. And I 0:22:58.236 --> 0:23:00.116 think like the thing we've learned the most is like 0:23:00.196 --> 0:23:03.236 trust is the gear keeper of the real thing, and 0:23:03.796 --> 0:23:05.236 you have to know each other for a long time. 0:23:05.316 --> 0:23:07.356 When you create it from people from around the world, 0:23:07.876 --> 0:23:10.836 different stuff. And that's kind of when the magic really 0:23:10.876 --> 0:23:14.116 started coming in, when it was actually that rather than 0:23:14.436 --> 0:23:17.316 just writing film stuff. Yeah, and it was just us 0:23:17.476 --> 0:23:21.716 coming as very different people disagreeing on things, you know, 0:23:21.876 --> 0:23:24.876 like how we live our lives, how we see the world, 0:23:25.076 --> 0:23:29.236 but we can agree to disagree and also where we 0:23:29.436 --> 0:23:32.156 kind of come in the center and becomes what it is. 0:23:32.156 --> 0:23:35.596 It's like fifty teach and learning thing, you know, where 0:23:35.596 --> 0:23:38.316 it feels great. Yeah. Likewise, it's like this thing where 0:23:38.796 --> 0:23:41.396 you know, somebody once said to me once that that's 0:23:41.436 --> 0:23:43.756 the definition of joy, beauty and happiness is when an 0:23:43.836 --> 0:23:47.116 energy fails in fifty fifty balance with any other energy failed, 0:23:47.276 --> 0:23:50.436 it's when the experience of joy, beauty or happiness occurs. 0:23:50.716 --> 0:23:53.956 And that is like teaching and learning becoming the same thing, 0:23:54.276 --> 0:23:56.756 by the way, and like that's what I really truly 0:23:56.836 --> 0:23:59.036 believe that, Like the songs that we have that are 0:23:59.476 --> 0:24:02.956 the good ones come out of that. Yeah, beautiful, when 0:24:03.036 --> 0:24:04.636 did you start singing in church? How old were you? 0:24:05.116 --> 0:24:07.836 So here's the thing, I really wasn't that good. I 0:24:07.996 --> 0:24:12.276 was younger. Yeah, I could just be honest. Were you 0:24:12.396 --> 0:24:13.916 in the choir when you were young or no. I 0:24:13.996 --> 0:24:16.036 wasn't allowed to get into the choir until I was 0:24:16.156 --> 0:24:18.116 like ten or eleven because you have to like be 0:24:18.196 --> 0:24:20.036 filled with the holy ghosts and stuff. It's this whole thing. 0:24:21.036 --> 0:24:23.556 And then when I got in the choir, I was 0:24:23.836 --> 0:24:27.436 loud and I had all this stuff, but I didn't 0:24:27.436 --> 0:24:29.356 know what to do with it. And the church I 0:24:29.476 --> 0:24:31.916 grew up in the pastor sons were kind of famous musicians, 0:24:31.996 --> 0:24:35.516 so we had like all these amazing singers and musicians 0:24:35.556 --> 0:24:39.436 and stuff, so there wasn't really space for this kid 0:24:39.596 --> 0:24:42.476 who's a mess, and not in a negative way. It 0:24:42.596 --> 0:24:45.356 just I just didn't know what I was doing. It's 0:24:45.396 --> 0:24:47.316 like you have a toolbox and you're just like throwing 0:24:47.356 --> 0:24:49.636 a hammer at a nail. It's like, what is he doing? 0:24:50.356 --> 0:24:52.676 And then I started singing in school, and I kind 0:24:52.716 --> 0:24:55.756 of got recognized pretty quickly in school because it once you, 0:24:56.436 --> 0:24:58.236 once you like put me on the path, I can 0:24:58.356 --> 0:25:00.636 like fly. So in school, they put you on the path. 0:25:00.796 --> 0:25:03.116 And when I got my in my senior high school, 0:25:03.116 --> 0:25:04.796 I realized I wanted to do music, but it was 0:25:04.876 --> 0:25:08.236 kind of like not realistic, and so I was going 0:25:08.276 --> 0:25:10.836 to join the millet Terry. They offered me a hundred 0:25:10.876 --> 0:25:14.436 grand to join. Sometimes I still regret it not going. 0:25:14.676 --> 0:25:16.396 So I moved down. I kind of moved out like 0:25:16.476 --> 0:25:18.116 pretty much on. Mom was like, if you ain't doing that, 0:25:18.156 --> 0:25:20.036