1 00:00:15,436 --> 00:00:22,556 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Today we're featuring one of the most thrilling new 2 00:00:22,636 --> 00:00:27,116 Speaker 1: groups and contemporary soul music, Gabriel's and Lucky for Us. 3 00:00:27,116 --> 00:00:30,356 Speaker 1: They performed three songs, one of which is still unreleased 4 00:00:30,716 --> 00:00:34,236 Speaker 1: live for Broken Record. The recordings were done in Austin 5 00:00:34,276 --> 00:00:36,436 Speaker 1: a few months ago while they were there opening for 6 00:00:36,476 --> 00:00:41,076 Speaker 1: Harry Styles and playing Austin City limits. Gabriel's consists of 7 00:00:41,196 --> 00:00:44,676 Speaker 1: three very distinct pillars of talent. Lead singer Jacob Lusk, 8 00:00:44,836 --> 00:00:47,476 Speaker 1: who was raised in comptoncing in gospel and went to 9 00:00:47,556 --> 00:00:50,956 Speaker 1: high school with Kendrick Lamar, keyboardist and producer Ryan Hope, 10 00:00:51,036 --> 00:00:53,236 Speaker 1: who grew up a lover of dance music in his 11 00:00:53,396 --> 00:00:57,876 Speaker 1: native UK, and Los Angeles native Ari Belusian, who serves 12 00:00:57,916 --> 00:01:02,796 Speaker 1: as Gabriel's in house composer and violinist. Gabriel's origin story 13 00:01:02,916 --> 00:01:07,316 Speaker 1: is as unconventional as their diverse musical backgrounds. In twenty sixteen, 14 00:01:07,396 --> 00:01:09,956 Speaker 1: Ryan Hope and Ari Blusian were hired to direct and 15 00:01:10,036 --> 00:01:13,076 Speaker 1: score a commercial with a gospel choir. After hearing the 16 00:01:13,156 --> 00:01:15,916 Speaker 1: choir director Jacob Blusk sing, a light went off for 17 00:01:15,956 --> 00:01:18,236 Speaker 1: the both of them. Over the course of the next 18 00:01:18,236 --> 00:01:20,556 Speaker 1: couple of years, the trio started to record him released 19 00:01:20,596 --> 00:01:24,636 Speaker 1: songs independently until twenty twenty one, when their music caught 20 00:01:24,716 --> 00:01:29,516 Speaker 1: fire online. Sir Elton John himself said their debut EP 21 00:01:29,916 --> 00:01:32,556 Speaker 1: was one of the most seminal records he's heard in 22 00:01:32,596 --> 00:01:36,916 Speaker 1: the last ten years. On today's episode, Rick Rubin sits 23 00:01:36,956 --> 00:01:39,076 Speaker 1: down with Gabriel's to hear how they were able to 24 00:01:39,116 --> 00:01:42,436 Speaker 1: create a working environment that allowed space for vulnerability and 25 00:01:42,556 --> 00:01:46,676 Speaker 1: musical exploration, and Jacob Blusk tells a harrowing story about 26 00:01:46,676 --> 00:01:49,236 Speaker 1: getting lost in the La County jail system in an 27 00:01:49,236 --> 00:01:51,276 Speaker 1: effort to clear his name so he could appear in 28 00:01:51,316 --> 00:01:58,036 Speaker 1: the finale of American Idol. This is broken record liner 29 00:01:58,076 --> 00:02:01,836 Speaker 1: notes for the digital Age. I'm justin Richard. Before we 30 00:02:01,876 --> 00:02:04,636 Speaker 1: hear Rick's interview with Gabriels, let's listen to them perform 31 00:02:04,716 --> 00:02:08,476 Speaker 1: their upcoming new single Offering, recorded live at Arlan Studio 32 00:02:08,716 --> 00:02:28,676 Speaker 1: and as in Texas. I don't want your love him 33 00:02:28,996 --> 00:02:35,996 Speaker 1: one no more. I want to sacrifice. I've shown him 34 00:02:35,996 --> 00:02:40,196 Speaker 1: proof down. I paid my does. Don't let you can 35 00:02:40,516 --> 00:02:46,996 Speaker 1: at tire Mama, Hein raised, no fool. I know, yeah, 36 00:02:47,276 --> 00:02:52,556 Speaker 1: you call the mocking bird right. My daughter told me 37 00:02:52,636 --> 00:02:57,236 Speaker 1: a thing a cool You're bad. I hain't my advice? 38 00:03:01,876 --> 00:03:10,596 Speaker 1: Show me this stingers man to me what he and something? 39 00:03:10,956 --> 00:03:21,276 Speaker 1: Man don't want you harm one more? I need more time. 40 00:03:23,436 --> 00:03:28,476 Speaker 1: You pick a bit. Damn it? Even your MoMA shap 41 00:03:28,876 --> 00:03:34,876 Speaker 1: wasn't I walk on woking glass? Damness? Show man? She 42 00:03:35,076 --> 00:03:41,356 Speaker 1: can't eve the shirt off my back to the fire. God, 43 00:03:41,556 --> 00:03:48,796 Speaker 1: damn it. I'm tired. Why can't shoot? Just give me? 44 00:03:49,076 --> 00:03:57,036 Speaker 1: Show me this thing was made to me? Whatever you 45 00:03:57,236 --> 00:04:10,076 Speaker 1: need to me? Something I can't leave without show all 46 00:04:10,156 --> 00:04:17,876 Speaker 1: of my dime. It's the true I watch the other 47 00:04:17,996 --> 00:04:26,476 Speaker 1: shot makes some good away a bad turn Jay looking 48 00:04:26,636 --> 00:04:35,156 Speaker 1: back as a start, but she can't do rag behind 49 00:04:38,396 --> 00:04:56,996 Speaker 1: some show me distinguishment to me, give me, tell me 50 00:04:57,156 --> 00:05:27,596 Speaker 1: I shouldn't it's me? Give me something whatever mention. Once again, 51 00:05:27,836 --> 00:05:32,036 Speaker 1: that was offering off Gabriel's debut album, Angels and Queen's 52 00:05:32,156 --> 00:05:36,876 Speaker 1: Part Two, recorded in one take at Arlan Studios in Austin, Texas. 53 00:05:37,476 --> 00:05:40,196 Speaker 1: And now here's Rick Rubin with Jacob Lusk, Ryan Hope 54 00:05:40,276 --> 00:05:43,756 Speaker 1: and r Belusian. First of all, why are you guys 55 00:05:43,756 --> 00:05:46,876 Speaker 1: in Texas? We opened for Harry Styles? How was that? 56 00:05:46,956 --> 00:05:49,876 Speaker 1: And how had that come to pass? Sha? I don't 57 00:05:49,876 --> 00:05:53,236 Speaker 1: even know now I say that he asked for us 58 00:05:53,236 --> 00:05:54,356 Speaker 1: to open for him. So he has a lot of 59 00:05:54,356 --> 00:05:56,836 Speaker 1: different people opening for him. So I was told that 60 00:05:56,876 --> 00:05:58,796 Speaker 1: he asks for us to open for him, Like he 61 00:05:58,836 --> 00:06:01,236 Speaker 1: was the one who made that happen. I don't know, 62 00:06:01,876 --> 00:06:06,516 Speaker 1: but it happened, and it was marvelous. He's actually a 63 00:06:06,636 --> 00:06:10,996 Speaker 1: really nice guy. Yes black, he's genuine, Yes he is. 64 00:06:11,076 --> 00:06:12,796 Speaker 1: I said, oh, this is what Alam Girls is going. 65 00:06:12,836 --> 00:06:16,436 Speaker 1: Graze absolutely was that first like really big gig. That's 66 00:06:16,556 --> 00:06:19,476 Speaker 1: where we did glass Glus where it wasn't it was 67 00:06:19,516 --> 00:06:21,916 Speaker 1: ten thousand. It was outside a little different. So we 68 00:06:21,956 --> 00:06:24,396 Speaker 1: did Elton John earlier this year, but it wasn't like 69 00:06:24,436 --> 00:06:28,836 Speaker 1: it was different. Elton John happened. He found out our AP. 70 00:06:29,116 --> 00:06:30,836 Speaker 1: I don't even know how he got it. We found 71 00:06:30,836 --> 00:06:33,436 Speaker 1: our AP and he basically he asked us to on 72 00:06:33,516 --> 00:06:36,516 Speaker 1: his Apple Music show. And this was before labels and everything. 73 00:06:36,596 --> 00:06:39,556 Speaker 1: This was when we yeah, we self released it with 74 00:06:39,716 --> 00:06:41,636 Speaker 1: like we put vinyl out ari and I you know, 75 00:06:41,676 --> 00:06:44,796 Speaker 1: we release our own records and soundtracks, sorry soundtracks. Some 76 00:06:44,916 --> 00:06:46,916 Speaker 1: kind of even was out on our label a Prayoser 77 00:06:47,236 --> 00:06:49,236 Speaker 1: because we have a production company called the Prayerser that 78 00:06:49,316 --> 00:06:51,236 Speaker 1: we released vinyl flu as well. It's just it's a 79 00:06:51,236 --> 00:06:54,356 Speaker 1: backyard operation, but it's a studio that R and I 80 00:06:54,396 --> 00:06:57,236 Speaker 1: worked through doing scoring and production, film production and stuff, 81 00:06:57,236 --> 00:06:59,036 Speaker 1: and it's it's awesome. The people that we work with, 82 00:06:59,116 --> 00:07:02,156 Speaker 1: you know, to like a boutique job, but they're putting 83 00:07:02,156 --> 00:07:04,716 Speaker 1: the vinyl out is very backyard operation. That's just something 84 00:07:04,756 --> 00:07:06,436 Speaker 1: we digs. We love to do it, like fucking put 85 00:07:06,436 --> 00:07:08,596 Speaker 1: it out. We put out vinyl. And then Elton John 86 00:07:08,876 --> 00:07:11,476 Speaker 1: some got old of it and he puts on his 87 00:07:11,556 --> 00:07:14,396 Speaker 1: app with Music Show and then he just yeah, he 88 00:07:14,396 --> 00:07:16,556 Speaker 1: said really nice things. He called the ape the most 89 00:07:16,596 --> 00:07:19,956 Speaker 1: seminar apa in the last ten years, incredible and he 90 00:07:20,076 --> 00:07:22,676 Speaker 1: listens to everything, so he knows, I'll tell you, he 91 00:07:22,716 --> 00:07:26,756 Speaker 1: listens to every everything. It's crazy great taste. Yeah, I 92 00:07:26,836 --> 00:07:28,996 Speaker 1: mean it was a big moment for us that really 93 00:07:29,476 --> 00:07:31,236 Speaker 1: kind of like put it to have that happened when 94 00:07:31,436 --> 00:07:33,716 Speaker 1: of course, you know, from something were just released, because 95 00:07:33,916 --> 00:07:36,316 Speaker 1: that was really the three of us just releasing our music. 96 00:07:36,396 --> 00:07:40,276 Speaker 1: It's like it never gets old when someone that do 97 00:07:40,276 --> 00:07:42,556 Speaker 1: you think makes great things like something you do, it 98 00:07:42,596 --> 00:07:45,636 Speaker 1: never gets Yeah, it's a great feeling. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 99 00:07:45,716 --> 00:07:48,156 Speaker 1: It just it was like, honestly, it was really just 100 00:07:48,356 --> 00:07:49,756 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, the whole thing of like 101 00:07:50,196 --> 00:07:52,836 Speaker 1: the Blue getting on the radio. It seems like everything 102 00:07:52,956 --> 00:07:56,036 Speaker 1: so moved away from that. It's more streaming, it's more 103 00:07:56,076 --> 00:07:59,356 Speaker 1: like social media bullshit. When we signed out a record deal, 104 00:07:59,676 --> 00:08:03,036 Speaker 1: there wasn't one single photograph of the three of us. 105 00:08:03,156 --> 00:08:06,036 Speaker 1: Amazing in the same fucking real amazing. I think when 106 00:08:06,076 --> 00:08:07,636 Speaker 1: we signed the deal, I remember the masking for a 107 00:08:07,676 --> 00:08:10,676 Speaker 1: picture of us, and none of none of had a photograph. 108 00:08:10,756 --> 00:08:13,796 Speaker 1: We've known each other for years, living, none none of 109 00:08:13,836 --> 00:08:16,476 Speaker 1: us had a picture on our phones or anything. So 110 00:08:16,516 --> 00:08:20,876 Speaker 1: since the club show to playing with Harry Styles the 111 00:08:20,876 --> 00:08:23,236 Speaker 1: other night, have you guys done loads of shows or 112 00:08:23,236 --> 00:08:27,916 Speaker 1: a few shows? Maybe like thirty forty I'm not even 113 00:08:27,916 --> 00:08:30,396 Speaker 1: probably not that many. And where would you have played 114 00:08:30,716 --> 00:08:33,796 Speaker 1: Royal Albert Hall? Well we didn't. That haven't count all. 115 00:08:33,916 --> 00:08:37,316 Speaker 1: That was an hour show. I see. It was for 116 00:08:38,076 --> 00:08:42,356 Speaker 1: Letters Live, Letters Live one song. It was really cool, amazing, 117 00:08:42,556 --> 00:08:45,716 Speaker 1: it was incredible. You know, I know about you guys 118 00:08:45,756 --> 00:08:50,036 Speaker 1: tangentially because of Jamie who does Letters Live. Now? Is 119 00:08:50,036 --> 00:08:52,756 Speaker 1: that so Amy Sullivan is a friend of mine. I 120 00:08:52,796 --> 00:08:56,196 Speaker 1: think she works with Jamie and she was telling me 121 00:08:56,236 --> 00:08:58,956 Speaker 1: about your book. Yeah, is that Jamie is is that 122 00:08:58,996 --> 00:09:01,916 Speaker 1: who you did the book? Yes, Caningate is the publisher 123 00:09:01,996 --> 00:09:04,476 Speaker 1: who was publishing in the book in the UK. And 124 00:09:04,556 --> 00:09:08,236 Speaker 1: I was in London doing book related stuff right and 125 00:09:08,316 --> 00:09:11,076 Speaker 1: Jamie said, up this lunch at a place called Cocos, 126 00:09:11,156 --> 00:09:17,476 Speaker 1: which is a club, and I believe it was the 127 00:09:17,716 --> 00:09:20,396 Speaker 1: person from Cocos who said you might want to check 128 00:09:20,436 --> 00:09:24,196 Speaker 1: out this. I think you might like this. Nick shut out, 129 00:09:29,196 --> 00:09:32,556 Speaker 1: And that was just maybe three weeks ago. Wow, that's 130 00:09:33,036 --> 00:09:34,676 Speaker 1: three weeks ago. It's like, I feel like you might 131 00:09:34,716 --> 00:09:38,076 Speaker 1: like this. That's my guy. I'm driving. I'm driving in 132 00:09:38,116 --> 00:09:40,636 Speaker 1: the car and I put it on and he recommended 133 00:09:40,676 --> 00:09:43,196 Speaker 1: which what to start with and it comes on. I'm thinking, like, 134 00:09:43,756 --> 00:09:45,476 Speaker 1: I think it's a mistake because this sounds like this 135 00:09:45,556 --> 00:09:47,276 Speaker 1: maybe this is an old record, you know, like this 136 00:09:47,316 --> 00:09:50,756 Speaker 1: is something that came out in the sixties or seventies, 137 00:09:50,756 --> 00:09:53,196 Speaker 1: Like this is an old record. And then I look 138 00:09:53,236 --> 00:09:57,116 Speaker 1: and I look at the date twenty one. It's like, 139 00:09:58,036 --> 00:10:02,076 Speaker 1: is it a sample? It's like what already playing the drums, 140 00:10:02,076 --> 00:10:04,956 Speaker 1: already playing the case. I couldn't figure out what it was. 141 00:10:04,996 --> 00:10:09,076 Speaker 1: But it also it didn't sound retro. It just sound 142 00:10:09,156 --> 00:10:11,156 Speaker 1: und it like it was from another time. Yeah, it 143 00:10:11,196 --> 00:10:13,436 Speaker 1: didn't sound like it was trying to sound like another 144 00:10:14,516 --> 00:10:18,156 Speaker 1: It just sounded like what is this? And then it's 145 00:10:18,196 --> 00:10:20,636 Speaker 1: like I couldn't figure it out what it was that 146 00:10:20,636 --> 00:10:25,036 Speaker 1: that was the beginning of the Experienced. And then I 147 00:10:25,076 --> 00:10:28,676 Speaker 1: sent that to my friend Justin who yeah we met here, Yeah, yeah, 148 00:10:28,716 --> 00:10:30,956 Speaker 1: who does the podcast. I just said, what's up with 149 00:10:30,996 --> 00:10:33,596 Speaker 1: these guys? And he's like, believe it or not, they're 150 00:10:33,596 --> 00:10:35,156 Speaker 1: gonna be in Texas. When you're going to be there, 151 00:10:35,196 --> 00:10:39,676 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, get the fuck out. Meant to be. 152 00:10:39,916 --> 00:10:42,396 Speaker 1: But honestly, because you know, like yeah, you're he'd been 153 00:10:42,396 --> 00:10:44,756 Speaker 1: a huge inspiration for us, like particularly for like Ari 154 00:10:44,876 --> 00:10:46,996 Speaker 1: and I, you know, it produces. It's kind of like 155 00:10:47,036 --> 00:10:49,876 Speaker 1: this thing where we were like, whoa, we're doing this 156 00:10:49,956 --> 00:10:51,836 Speaker 1: right now. But to hear how it came around, it's 157 00:10:51,876 --> 00:10:55,636 Speaker 1: just crazy. It's sexual conversation. Put it on just like 158 00:10:55,836 --> 00:10:57,596 Speaker 1: I want to know more. And I still I didn't 159 00:10:57,596 --> 00:11:00,396 Speaker 1: even know is it a group? Yeah? I thought Gabriel's 160 00:11:00,756 --> 00:11:03,916 Speaker 1: maybe it's like brothers and sisters. Yeah, you know, maybe 161 00:11:03,916 --> 00:11:09,676 Speaker 1: it's a family. I had no idea of that family idea. Also, 162 00:11:09,676 --> 00:11:11,716 Speaker 1: because it was harmony, it's like, oh, maybe it's like 163 00:11:11,716 --> 00:11:16,996 Speaker 1: a family that sings together. Amazing. That's why it sounds 164 00:11:16,996 --> 00:11:21,636 Speaker 1: so no, no, no, that's why it sounds familiar because 165 00:11:21,756 --> 00:11:24,076 Speaker 1: it's your voice. But you know how when brothers and 166 00:11:24,116 --> 00:11:28,276 Speaker 1: sisters sing together, it's like there's a blend that doesn't 167 00:11:28,316 --> 00:11:31,676 Speaker 1: happen when it's just random people. Yeah. Yeah, And I'm 168 00:11:31,676 --> 00:11:33,356 Speaker 1: a little weird. I've done a lot of studio sessions, 169 00:11:33,396 --> 00:11:35,156 Speaker 1: so I like trying to tweak my voice sometimes and 170 00:11:35,236 --> 00:11:37,356 Speaker 1: I do the harmonies and stuff. It's great. Weird, but 171 00:11:37,796 --> 00:11:42,916 Speaker 1: it's great. Wow, that's a crazy story. Yeah, amazing, Yeah, 172 00:11:42,956 --> 00:11:46,076 Speaker 1: I come, yeah so wild. We'd love to play some 173 00:11:46,116 --> 00:11:58,996 Speaker 1: songs for play some song. Let's play some songs. Shock, 174 00:11:59,636 --> 00:12:16,956 Speaker 1: gosh time, Oh you come Shore Fi all the sun 175 00:12:16,956 --> 00:12:21,556 Speaker 1: It's bad, but not for me. Don't bring the truth 176 00:12:21,996 --> 00:12:26,116 Speaker 1: to the shame. I ken that shit show good a 177 00:12:26,236 --> 00:12:29,996 Speaker 1: pump me to my knees about all the good and 178 00:12:30,156 --> 00:12:43,596 Speaker 1: love and the WoT shavement. Cobley, all the eye, bring Coble, 179 00:12:47,036 --> 00:13:01,116 Speaker 1: all running in my van. Dobble. I can't escape you, Dobble. 180 00:13:03,876 --> 00:13:35,756 Speaker 1: I've asted eye all times, had people changed the same? 181 00:13:36,036 --> 00:13:45,956 Speaker 1: We go dance, You'll be k me robid and everybody 182 00:13:46,116 --> 00:13:50,276 Speaker 1: knows I must be sinking a head down. Fuck, I 183 00:13:50,396 --> 00:13:57,236 Speaker 1: can't let you ship so sweet down sugar cane, gut 184 00:13:57,316 --> 00:13:59,796 Speaker 1: me on my knees. But it's no way. I'm right 185 00:14:05,996 --> 00:14:39,036 Speaker 1: only running in my vag candescape stit alright, another da 186 00:14:40,356 --> 00:14:57,716 Speaker 1: old as time, Another four lost his mind. That was 187 00:14:57,796 --> 00:15:01,876 Speaker 1: Gabriel's performing Taboo Live. We'll be right back with more 188 00:15:01,956 --> 00:15:09,356 Speaker 1: from their conversation with Rick Rubin after a break, We're 189 00:15:09,396 --> 00:15:13,156 Speaker 1: back with more of Rick Rubin and Gabriel's. So how 190 00:15:13,196 --> 00:15:16,076 Speaker 1: did this project come to be? I was in college 191 00:15:16,396 --> 00:15:22,116 Speaker 1: and at UCLA and from originally Los Angeles, the Valley, 192 00:15:22,756 --> 00:15:27,196 Speaker 1: and I kind of stopped doing music in college. I 193 00:15:27,356 --> 00:15:29,636 Speaker 1: was like classically trained on the viola or whatever, so 194 00:15:29,716 --> 00:15:31,876 Speaker 1: I was kind of playing in orchestras and stuff. But 195 00:15:31,996 --> 00:15:35,516 Speaker 1: then I lost interest in like being a professional musician whatever. 196 00:15:35,636 --> 00:15:38,476 Speaker 1: So I was studying like linguistics and stuff, and then 197 00:15:38,516 --> 00:15:41,596 Speaker 1: I just started getting into working on my friends, like 198 00:15:41,716 --> 00:15:44,836 Speaker 1: short films and stuff like that. So I did one 199 00:15:44,956 --> 00:15:48,636 Speaker 1: thing with someone who was an intern at the company. 200 00:15:48,756 --> 00:15:52,396 Speaker 1: Ryan was signed to as a commercial music video director. 201 00:15:52,756 --> 00:15:55,596 Speaker 1: I should say still I'm sign at the moment, so 202 00:15:55,716 --> 00:15:59,156 Speaker 1: let's just get back. But yeah, it was kind of 203 00:15:59,236 --> 00:16:02,236 Speaker 1: like a string quartet, church hymn kind of thing that 204 00:16:02,396 --> 00:16:04,916 Speaker 1: was done to this kind of practical effects little film 205 00:16:04,956 --> 00:16:06,876 Speaker 1: my friend had made. So then yeah, it was amazing. 206 00:16:06,956 --> 00:16:08,836 Speaker 1: I mean I heard it. That's kind of how I 207 00:16:08,916 --> 00:16:10,556 Speaker 1: read out to him because I was just that. It 208 00:16:10,676 --> 00:16:12,836 Speaker 1: was my first week actually moving to la I used 209 00:16:12,876 --> 00:16:15,836 Speaker 1: to from Sunderland and the northeast of England originally and 210 00:16:15,916 --> 00:16:19,276 Speaker 1: then via London. I got approached by Roman Coppler's company 211 00:16:19,316 --> 00:16:21,116 Speaker 1: to move over and I was directing a video for 212 00:16:21,196 --> 00:16:24,756 Speaker 1: Farrell and two Chains actually some music films. My background 213 00:16:24,796 --> 00:16:27,196 Speaker 1: and all about backgrounds. Really as are he says with 214 00:16:27,276 --> 00:16:30,476 Speaker 1: their researcher. Actually he was like putting together the treatment 215 00:16:30,516 --> 00:16:33,796 Speaker 1: for the job and I heard Ari's music because I 216 00:16:33,956 --> 00:16:36,316 Speaker 1: loved it. Really that was about ten years ago now, 217 00:16:36,516 --> 00:16:38,956 Speaker 1: And next thing I knew, I was in Ari's apartment 218 00:16:39,156 --> 00:16:42,356 Speaker 1: and his apartment was tiny, it was fifty percent bed 219 00:16:42,436 --> 00:16:44,716 Speaker 1: and then he had two Timpanies in there and didn't 220 00:16:44,716 --> 00:16:46,916 Speaker 1: have the Internet. And immediately was like, this is my guy, 221 00:16:47,996 --> 00:16:50,436 Speaker 1: you know, seeing I was like, anybody who's just shipped 222 00:16:50,436 --> 00:16:53,196 Speaker 1: two Timpanies from Detroit to take up fifty percent of 223 00:16:53,276 --> 00:16:57,156 Speaker 1: your apartment, I'm down with. So anywhere we basically became 224 00:16:57,196 --> 00:16:59,956 Speaker 1: really good friends and we were He cooked me up 225 00:16:59,956 --> 00:17:03,196 Speaker 1: with the studio in North Hollywood. We were making music 226 00:17:03,276 --> 00:17:06,876 Speaker 1: together for years for film and we were making films 227 00:17:06,916 --> 00:17:09,916 Speaker 1: together as well. And that's how you met Jacob, who 228 00:17:09,956 --> 00:17:11,996 Speaker 1: came into a custing for a job that I was doing. 229 00:17:12,436 --> 00:17:14,516 Speaker 1: And they were the fourth choir who him in. He 230 00:17:14,596 --> 00:17:17,996 Speaker 1: was a choir director and I basically just I mean, 231 00:17:18,076 --> 00:17:22,876 Speaker 1: it doesn't take a science. So they have very guerrilla tactics. 232 00:17:23,556 --> 00:17:27,436 Speaker 1: So they booked the choir. I auditions really stressed me out. 233 00:17:27,596 --> 00:17:29,556 Speaker 1: My aunt was like, well, Jacob, can you take the 234 00:17:29,676 --> 00:17:31,716 Speaker 1: church choir? And I was just like, yeah, I'm not 235 00:17:31,836 --> 00:17:33,436 Speaker 1: really want to audition and do all that, Like I 236 00:17:33,436 --> 00:17:36,036 Speaker 1: don't want to go through that. So she talked really 237 00:17:36,116 --> 00:17:38,836 Speaker 1: bad about me. So I ended up doing it anyway, 238 00:17:39,116 --> 00:17:40,756 Speaker 1: Like who do you think you are? You think you're hot? Shit? 239 00:17:40,956 --> 00:17:43,756 Speaker 1: Huh fuck you? So I did it. And they how 240 00:17:43,756 --> 00:17:47,756 Speaker 1: many were in the choir? Fifteen maybe yeah, twelve maybe 241 00:17:47,756 --> 00:17:49,956 Speaker 1: it's yeah. And it was the church choir. So these 242 00:17:49,996 --> 00:17:52,436 Speaker 1: are like the pastor was in the choir. These are 243 00:17:52,476 --> 00:17:56,236 Speaker 1: like normal everyday working class They weren't like professional singers, 244 00:17:56,836 --> 00:17:58,796 Speaker 1: and so they booked them. I think they booked them 245 00:17:58,876 --> 00:18:01,876 Speaker 1: because of the energy and the vibe. They could sing too, 246 00:18:02,036 --> 00:18:04,076 Speaker 1: but we're like a family church. Everyone was really close 247 00:18:05,116 --> 00:18:08,636 Speaker 1: in Lamurt Park, like Crenshaw area. So they booked the 248 00:18:08,716 --> 00:18:11,916 Speaker 1: choir and then they went to Ari's studio. I didn't 249 00:18:11,916 --> 00:18:14,236 Speaker 1: go because I was like, I'm not going. Y'all can 250 00:18:14,316 --> 00:18:17,876 Speaker 1: go so that Sunday and true Ryan is the kind 251 00:18:17,916 --> 00:18:20,156 Speaker 1: of person and Ari too. If they want to get 252 00:18:20,196 --> 00:18:21,716 Speaker 1: it done, they're gonna get it done. But it was 253 00:18:21,716 --> 00:18:26,396 Speaker 1: always idea. He was like, I was just kind of 254 00:18:26,596 --> 00:18:29,836 Speaker 1: like I was so involved up. It was always idea, 255 00:18:29,876 --> 00:18:32,916 Speaker 1: which was a pretty divided in Did you already know 256 00:18:33,316 --> 00:18:35,716 Speaker 1: in your minds it's a group or no, not at all. 257 00:18:36,356 --> 00:18:38,316 Speaker 1: I know this is a long story. I still not 258 00:18:38,436 --> 00:18:41,876 Speaker 1: sure it is. So they come to the church and 259 00:18:41,916 --> 00:18:43,636 Speaker 1: when I get out of church, they have set up 260 00:18:43,676 --> 00:18:46,956 Speaker 1: a remote studio in the choir room. Now at this 261 00:18:47,076 --> 00:18:49,196 Speaker 1: point they hadn't heard me sing, but I think the 262 00:18:49,236 --> 00:18:51,076 Speaker 1: people in the choir were like, oh, Jacob is the 263 00:18:51,156 --> 00:18:53,636 Speaker 1: guy who do sings and does all this. We just 264 00:18:53,756 --> 00:18:55,316 Speaker 1: do what he tells us to do. No, we saw 265 00:18:55,396 --> 00:18:58,036 Speaker 1: you sing in the church service. Oh you did? Okay? 266 00:18:58,316 --> 00:19:01,316 Speaker 1: Afterwards that if he tried to it with most Like 267 00:19:01,676 --> 00:19:04,876 Speaker 1: he literally just was like this was at the early stages, 268 00:19:05,116 --> 00:19:07,556 Speaker 1: and this this wasn't even just trying to like be 269 00:19:07,636 --> 00:19:09,076 Speaker 1: a group or anything. We were just trying to get 270 00:19:09,156 --> 00:19:12,636 Speaker 1: the job were j It just became really clear at 271 00:19:12,676 --> 00:19:15,316 Speaker 1: a certain point where Jacob was direct, he knew all 272 00:19:15,356 --> 00:19:17,716 Speaker 1: the parts, you know, he could arrange the whole choir, 273 00:19:17,836 --> 00:19:20,236 Speaker 1: and he was leading everybody, and the job was still 274 00:19:20,996 --> 00:19:24,516 Speaker 1: a piece of music for a movie. That's kind of 275 00:19:24,596 --> 00:19:26,116 Speaker 1: like that we started there. So it was like this 276 00:19:26,236 --> 00:19:29,036 Speaker 1: thing where we ended up getting to really good friends 277 00:19:29,116 --> 00:19:31,436 Speaker 1: went in the process and we were just sort of 278 00:19:31,516 --> 00:19:33,676 Speaker 1: like mating up at either are his place or my 279 00:19:33,796 --> 00:19:36,956 Speaker 1: place out in the desert, and these guys would come 280 00:19:36,996 --> 00:19:39,596 Speaker 1: out and stay and we were honestly just making music, 281 00:19:39,996 --> 00:19:42,756 Speaker 1: really failing our way of how to make songs. And 282 00:19:42,876 --> 00:19:44,876 Speaker 1: there was something where like I can think speak on 283 00:19:44,956 --> 00:19:46,916 Speaker 1: be off the three of us that when we left 284 00:19:46,996 --> 00:19:49,636 Speaker 1: these times when we like would come together hang out 285 00:19:49,636 --> 00:19:51,196 Speaker 1: for a few minutes, I mean, these guys stay at 286 00:19:51,236 --> 00:19:53,076 Speaker 1: my house, and it was like all of a sudden, 287 00:19:53,116 --> 00:19:55,516 Speaker 1: like Jake was like this guy's like were stay in 288 00:19:55,596 --> 00:20:00,396 Speaker 1: his house, Like Yeah, Jacob to this day never really 289 00:20:00,436 --> 00:20:02,596 Speaker 1: he never he never stays out anywhere. He's like he's 290 00:20:02,676 --> 00:20:06,356 Speaker 1: really a little bit. But he really didn't. He didn't 291 00:20:06,436 --> 00:20:08,796 Speaker 1: let us know that that he was like honestly, it 292 00:20:08,876 --> 00:20:13,476 Speaker 1: was just something internally was like crazy, actually see this out. Yeah, 293 00:20:13,596 --> 00:20:16,316 Speaker 1: And we just were making music for fun, and we 294 00:20:16,356 --> 00:20:18,236 Speaker 1: would stay for like a week, and we were just 295 00:20:18,436 --> 00:20:21,276 Speaker 1: really slow process. Maybe stay for a week, maybe get 296 00:20:21,396 --> 00:20:24,236 Speaker 1: like one or two songs, like little ideas, and we 297 00:20:24,316 --> 00:20:26,996 Speaker 1: were kind of seeing where we all, this is happening 298 00:20:27,036 --> 00:20:30,116 Speaker 1: in La or was this happening I was happening in 299 00:20:30,156 --> 00:20:32,356 Speaker 1: the desert at the time, because I moved out there 300 00:20:32,396 --> 00:20:34,996 Speaker 1: to write the film with somebody who key would coop 301 00:20:35,036 --> 00:20:36,996 Speaker 1: came to live with me for a year. So these 302 00:20:37,036 --> 00:20:40,636 Speaker 1: guys would come in week one. So everybody lives in California, now, yeah, 303 00:20:40,876 --> 00:20:44,796 Speaker 1: well I'm half of I live in LA but it's 304 00:20:44,796 --> 00:20:46,996 Speaker 1: spent a lot of time in the UK. I see yeah, 305 00:20:47,156 --> 00:20:49,316 Speaker 1: I see yeah. And I live up in Pinion Crest, 306 00:20:49,396 --> 00:20:51,236 Speaker 1: up in the mountains and just got a place out there, 307 00:20:51,236 --> 00:20:54,436 Speaker 1: and then Ari's in Burbank. And then as we started 308 00:20:54,556 --> 00:20:56,956 Speaker 1: when we did Loyalty, that was the first song we 309 00:20:57,036 --> 00:20:59,876 Speaker 1: actually really finished. Was for a proud of commercial that 310 00:21:00,076 --> 00:21:02,996 Speaker 1: R and I were working on, and we did the 311 00:21:03,276 --> 00:21:06,876 Speaker 1: song basically for the commercial and then the song was 312 00:21:06,956 --> 00:21:10,116 Speaker 1: just strong. All these people were like hit so just like, oh, 313 00:21:10,156 --> 00:21:11,756 Speaker 1: you've got any more material and we're like yeah, and 314 00:21:11,796 --> 00:21:13,396 Speaker 1: we had fuck all you know what I mean? We 315 00:21:14,316 --> 00:21:20,916 Speaker 1: because that twenty eight thing. Yeah, yeah, and that was 316 00:21:20,956 --> 00:21:22,516 Speaker 1: the first thing that felt like we were like, oh 317 00:21:22,596 --> 00:21:24,716 Speaker 1: we have us this is a song, you know. And 318 00:21:24,836 --> 00:21:27,276 Speaker 1: it was strange because we actually wrote the length of 319 00:21:27,316 --> 00:21:30,356 Speaker 1: a whole song or was it just sixty second and 320 00:21:30,436 --> 00:21:33,076 Speaker 1: then we were like add an extra verse and it 321 00:21:33,796 --> 00:21:35,916 Speaker 1: back and yeah, and then we made it a complete 322 00:21:36,116 --> 00:21:38,196 Speaker 1: and then it ended up on Radio one in the UK, 323 00:21:38,636 --> 00:21:40,436 Speaker 1: like and we had it was or there were any 324 00:21:40,476 --> 00:21:43,356 Speaker 1: other songs nothing. Yeah. What was funny was we wrote 325 00:21:43,396 --> 00:21:46,156 Speaker 1: the lyrics based on what the little short film was 326 00:21:46,196 --> 00:21:49,116 Speaker 1: about in a weird way, so it just gave immediate 327 00:21:49,236 --> 00:21:51,876 Speaker 1: content to write about in this way, which is very 328 00:21:51,956 --> 00:21:54,156 Speaker 1: much the style of what we've developed. Right. It's like 329 00:21:54,236 --> 00:21:56,996 Speaker 1: it started like it's like that, but really like even 330 00:21:57,156 --> 00:21:59,516 Speaker 1: we just did the Taboos, our most recent song right 331 00:21:59,596 --> 00:22:02,156 Speaker 1: like that we wrote Yeah, we we literally wrote that 332 00:22:02,316 --> 00:22:04,156 Speaker 1: third song. We just played that. We wrote that like 333 00:22:04,236 --> 00:22:07,716 Speaker 1: eight weeks ago. Oh yeah, seven weeks ago. But but 334 00:22:07,836 --> 00:22:10,836 Speaker 1: our writing vibe is it's very cinematic and that we 335 00:22:11,356 --> 00:22:13,356 Speaker 1: and I've done some acting in some theater and stuff. 336 00:22:13,676 --> 00:22:16,076 Speaker 1: We literally in TV and film whatever, but we literally 337 00:22:16,116 --> 00:22:18,396 Speaker 1: sit ourselves in the room of whatever it is, What 338 00:22:18,476 --> 00:22:20,636 Speaker 1: does it smell like, what does it feel like? And 339 00:22:20,836 --> 00:22:24,716 Speaker 1: once we get that clear, the songs just like the 340 00:22:24,876 --> 00:22:26,756 Speaker 1: thing what's been like the thing that's been a real 341 00:22:26,836 --> 00:22:29,316 Speaker 1: cutlast that we've been wrangling with is like that's been 342 00:22:29,436 --> 00:22:31,716 Speaker 1: the thing that we've done from get go. I mean, 343 00:22:31,756 --> 00:22:33,676 Speaker 1: I met Ari is like a composer. You know, he 344 00:22:33,796 --> 00:22:36,396 Speaker 1: was composing films when I met him, and it's like 345 00:22:36,516 --> 00:22:38,956 Speaker 1: this thing where the three of us about this film thing. 346 00:22:39,076 --> 00:22:42,196 Speaker 1: But we've kind of been through this process where that 347 00:22:42,396 --> 00:22:47,036 Speaker 1: just yeah to technique for writing lyrics. But what's the point, right, 348 00:22:47,076 --> 00:22:49,876 Speaker 1: It's kind of like something we've been development of getting 349 00:22:50,156 --> 00:22:53,396 Speaker 1: the heart into that from a personal angle is what 350 00:22:53,636 --> 00:22:55,516 Speaker 1: we've been working on. And in order to do that, 351 00:22:55,716 --> 00:22:58,156 Speaker 1: you kind of need to trust each other. And I 352 00:22:58,236 --> 00:23:00,116 Speaker 1: think like the thing we've learned the most is like 353 00:23:00,196 --> 00:23:03,236 Speaker 1: trust is the gear keeper of the real thing, and 354 00:23:03,796 --> 00:23:05,236 Speaker 1: you have to know each other for a long time. 355 00:23:05,316 --> 00:23:07,356 Speaker 1: When you create it from people from around the world, 356 00:23:07,876 --> 00:23:10,836 Speaker 1: different stuff. And that's kind of when the magic really 357 00:23:10,876 --> 00:23:14,116 Speaker 1: started coming in, when it was actually that rather than 358 00:23:14,436 --> 00:23:17,316 Speaker 1: just writing film stuff. Yeah, and it was just us 359 00:23:17,476 --> 00:23:21,716 Speaker 1: coming as very different people disagreeing on things, you know, 360 00:23:21,876 --> 00:23:24,876 Speaker 1: like how we live our lives, how we see the world, 361 00:23:25,076 --> 00:23:29,236 Speaker 1: but we can agree to disagree and also where we 362 00:23:29,436 --> 00:23:32,156 Speaker 1: kind of come in the center and becomes what it is. 363 00:23:32,156 --> 00:23:35,596 Speaker 1: It's like fifty teach and learning thing, you know, where 364 00:23:35,596 --> 00:23:38,316 Speaker 1: it feels great. Yeah. Likewise, it's like this thing where 365 00:23:38,796 --> 00:23:41,396 Speaker 1: you know, somebody once said to me once that that's 366 00:23:41,436 --> 00:23:43,756 Speaker 1: the definition of joy, beauty and happiness is when an 367 00:23:43,836 --> 00:23:47,116 Speaker 1: energy fails in fifty fifty balance with any other energy failed, 368 00:23:47,276 --> 00:23:50,436 Speaker 1: it's when the experience of joy, beauty or happiness occurs. 369 00:23:50,716 --> 00:23:53,956 Speaker 1: And that is like teaching and learning becoming the same thing, 370 00:23:54,276 --> 00:23:56,756 Speaker 1: by the way, and like that's what I really truly 371 00:23:56,836 --> 00:23:59,036 Speaker 1: believe that, Like the songs that we have that are 372 00:23:59,476 --> 00:24:02,956 Speaker 1: the good ones come out of that. Yeah, beautiful, when 373 00:24:03,036 --> 00:24:04,636 Speaker 1: did you start singing in church? How old were you? 374 00:24:05,116 --> 00:24:07,836 Speaker 1: So here's the thing, I really wasn't that good. I 375 00:24:07,996 --> 00:24:12,276 Speaker 1: was younger. Yeah, I could just be honest. Were you 376 00:24:12,396 --> 00:24:13,916 Speaker 1: in the choir when you were young or no. I 377 00:24:13,996 --> 00:24:16,036 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed to get into the choir until I was 378 00:24:16,156 --> 00:24:18,116 Speaker 1: like ten or eleven because you have to like be 379 00:24:18,196 --> 00:24:20,036 Speaker 1: filled with the holy ghosts and stuff. It's this whole thing. 380 00:24:21,036 --> 00:24:23,556 Speaker 1: And then when I got in the choir, I was 381 00:24:23,836 --> 00:24:27,436 Speaker 1: loud and I had all this stuff, but I didn't 382 00:24:27,436 --> 00:24:29,356 Speaker 1: know what to do with it. And the church I 383 00:24:29,476 --> 00:24:31,916 Speaker 1: grew up in the pastor sons were kind of famous musicians, 384 00:24:31,996 --> 00:24:35,516 Speaker 1: so we had like all these amazing singers and musicians 385 00:24:35,556 --> 00:24:39,436 Speaker 1: and stuff, so there wasn't really space for this kid 386 00:24:39,596 --> 00:24:42,476 Speaker 1: who's a mess, and not in a negative way. It 387 00:24:42,596 --> 00:24:45,356 Speaker 1: just I just didn't know what I was doing. It's 388 00:24:45,396 --> 00:24:47,316 Speaker 1: like you have a toolbox and you're just like throwing 389 00:24:47,356 --> 00:24:49,636 Speaker 1: a hammer at a nail. It's like, what is he doing? 390 00:24:50,356 --> 00:24:52,676 Speaker 1: And then I started singing in school, and I kind 391 00:24:52,716 --> 00:24:55,756 Speaker 1: of got recognized pretty quickly in school because it once you, 392 00:24:56,436 --> 00:24:58,236 Speaker 1: once you like put me on the path, I can 393 00:24:58,356 --> 00:25:00,636 Speaker 1: like fly. So in school, they put you on the path. 394 00:25:00,796 --> 00:25:03,116 Speaker 1: And when I got my in my senior high school, 395 00:25:03,116 --> 00:25:04,796 Speaker 1: I realized I wanted to do music, but it was 396 00:25:04,876 --> 00:25:08,236 Speaker 1: kind of like not realistic, and so I was going 397 00:25:08,276 --> 00:25:10,836 Speaker 1: to join the millet Terry. They offered me a hundred 398 00:25:10,876 --> 00:25:14,436 Speaker 1: grand to join. Sometimes I still regret it not going. 399 00:25:14,676 --> 00:25:16,396 Speaker 1: So I moved down. I kind of moved out like 400 00:25:16,476 --> 00:25:18,116 Speaker 1: pretty much on. Mom was like, if you ain't doing that, 401 00:25:18,156 --> 00:25:20,036 Speaker 1: you ain't gonna be an his house singing. So I 402 00:25:20,076 --> 00:25:22,316 Speaker 1: went to college, not studying music. I took a voice 403 00:25:22,356 --> 00:25:24,276 Speaker 1: class and the lady was like, you were born to sing. 404 00:25:24,596 --> 00:25:26,116 Speaker 1: So I was going to do classical music. That was 405 00:25:26,196 --> 00:25:28,276 Speaker 1: my thought, because that's a plan. I can go to school, 406 00:25:28,276 --> 00:25:30,036 Speaker 1: I can get a degree, and even if I'm in 407 00:25:30,076 --> 00:25:32,196 Speaker 1: the chorus at the met I'll make seventy five grand 408 00:25:32,196 --> 00:25:34,156 Speaker 1: a year. Like that's I could do. You'll be work 409 00:25:34,476 --> 00:25:37,156 Speaker 1: a working singer. Yes, I could do that. And then 410 00:25:37,556 --> 00:25:40,396 Speaker 1: I started answer going to Craigslist and answering ads on 411 00:25:40,476 --> 00:25:43,796 Speaker 1: Craigslist where there was an ad for a hip hop 412 00:25:43,956 --> 00:25:47,596 Speaker 1: artist looking for background singers for a Christmas project. So 413 00:25:47,756 --> 00:25:49,596 Speaker 1: I went. I auditioned, I saying I believe in you, 414 00:25:49,676 --> 00:25:51,436 Speaker 1: and me ended it up being Nate Dog. I don't 415 00:25:51,436 --> 00:25:53,236 Speaker 1: know if you know who Nate Dog is. So it 416 00:25:53,316 --> 00:25:55,636 Speaker 1: was a Nate Dog. And when was this? This was 417 00:25:55,716 --> 00:25:59,196 Speaker 1: two thousand and six or seven a while ago, Oh 418 00:25:59,276 --> 00:26:01,116 Speaker 1: my god. Yes, And you've been doing it for a while. 419 00:26:01,196 --> 00:26:03,236 Speaker 1: Oh my god, a lot of time. Okay, So I 420 00:26:03,356 --> 00:26:05,996 Speaker 1: did that and then I was a good experience. It 421 00:26:06,076 --> 00:26:11,676 Speaker 1: was a great experience. I dropped out of college. I 422 00:26:11,836 --> 00:26:13,596 Speaker 1: dropped out of college. I was like, I'm gonna be 423 00:26:13,676 --> 00:26:16,356 Speaker 1: a singer. That was it. It was like nay dog. 424 00:26:16,436 --> 00:26:18,436 Speaker 1: And then I and he kind of took I missed 425 00:26:18,436 --> 00:26:21,036 Speaker 1: the train one night and I lived maybe a three 426 00:26:21,076 --> 00:26:23,876 Speaker 1: hour train ride from the place, and I saw I 427 00:26:23,956 --> 00:26:25,996 Speaker 1: spent the night and we talked and I started writing 428 00:26:26,076 --> 00:26:27,636 Speaker 1: with him, and that was like and he had a 429 00:26:27,716 --> 00:26:30,356 Speaker 1: stroke and I could. We went in work for a while, 430 00:26:30,356 --> 00:26:32,476 Speaker 1: and then I did Idol and then that. You know, 431 00:26:32,516 --> 00:26:34,996 Speaker 1: it was a beautiful experience. Tell me about that. I 432 00:26:35,196 --> 00:26:37,996 Speaker 1: know very little about that whole world. It's great. How 433 00:26:38,036 --> 00:26:39,356 Speaker 1: do you first of all, how do you get picked? 434 00:26:39,396 --> 00:26:41,556 Speaker 1: How many people are there competing to even be on 435 00:26:41,636 --> 00:26:44,196 Speaker 1: the show. Maybe one hundred and twenty five thousand, I 436 00:26:44,236 --> 00:26:46,116 Speaker 1: think the year I did a lot. There's a lot 437 00:26:46,236 --> 00:26:47,756 Speaker 1: a lot. So how did it get down from one 438 00:26:47,796 --> 00:26:49,916 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five thousand to you? Well, I audition 439 00:26:50,076 --> 00:26:52,196 Speaker 1: four times. You should tell Rick how you got on 440 00:26:52,276 --> 00:26:55,796 Speaker 1: this show. Yeah, you should tell him that this is 441 00:26:55,956 --> 00:26:58,036 Speaker 1: this is like this is a big part of like 442 00:27:01,476 --> 00:27:04,356 Speaker 1: audition four times, yes, twice. The year I made it, 443 00:27:04,596 --> 00:27:06,836 Speaker 1: they added la last minute and I went by myself. 444 00:27:06,916 --> 00:27:08,396 Speaker 1: I had just got a job, and I was like, 445 00:27:08,436 --> 00:27:09,996 Speaker 1: oh my god, I got I fucked this American out 446 00:27:10,036 --> 00:27:12,876 Speaker 1: of bullshit. They're gonna tell me no anyway, Well, the 447 00:27:13,196 --> 00:27:14,956 Speaker 1: job hired too many people, so I had to wait 448 00:27:14,996 --> 00:27:17,556 Speaker 1: a week to train my grandmother. I didn't have any money. 449 00:27:17,596 --> 00:27:19,956 Speaker 1: She gave me fifteen dollars for the bus. I didn't 450 00:27:19,996 --> 00:27:22,076 Speaker 1: have my ID at the time. Like I should not 451 00:27:22,156 --> 00:27:23,916 Speaker 1: have been able to audition. I was able to audition. 452 00:27:24,036 --> 00:27:26,596 Speaker 1: I made it through. And then I was like, hey, 453 00:27:26,676 --> 00:27:29,156 Speaker 1: I have these tickets, you know, because you can't so 454 00:27:29,196 --> 00:27:31,076 Speaker 1: you can't have an open ticket. So let's say today 455 00:27:31,516 --> 00:27:34,476 Speaker 1: you ran to stop signing. You got a ticket. You 456 00:27:34,556 --> 00:27:36,276 Speaker 1: can't be on American idol. It has to be paid 457 00:27:36,316 --> 00:27:38,316 Speaker 1: off and cleared. You can't have any pinning court cases. 458 00:27:38,396 --> 00:27:41,116 Speaker 1: So I had tons of them. I had. I got 459 00:27:41,236 --> 00:27:44,476 Speaker 1: a school a ticket for ditching school. I had tickets 460 00:27:44,516 --> 00:27:47,076 Speaker 1: for not riding the train without my ticket, like hopping 461 00:27:47,116 --> 00:27:49,236 Speaker 1: on the train. So I had warrants all kinds of 462 00:27:49,236 --> 00:27:52,196 Speaker 1: stuff for like stupid. Yeah, little things. So I go 463 00:27:52,316 --> 00:27:54,076 Speaker 1: there and then like okay. So I was like, hey, guys, 464 00:27:54,156 --> 00:27:55,636 Speaker 1: have these tickets. Are like, well, why don't you make 465 00:27:55,636 --> 00:27:57,516 Speaker 1: it first, because you probably ain't even gonna make it, 466 00:27:58,036 --> 00:28:00,596 Speaker 1: so just chill out. But I let them know. So 467 00:28:01,036 --> 00:28:02,636 Speaker 1: I go through all the steps and I finally get 468 00:28:02,676 --> 00:28:06,156 Speaker 1: to the celebrity judges and I make it You're going 469 00:28:06,196 --> 00:28:08,676 Speaker 1: to Hollywood. So then they send you to a private 470 00:28:08,716 --> 00:28:11,676 Speaker 1: invested They ask you all these questions about your life. Yeah, 471 00:28:11,756 --> 00:28:13,076 Speaker 1: have you done this, have you done this? Have you 472 00:28:13,116 --> 00:28:14,356 Speaker 1: done this? Have you been here? Have you been there? 473 00:28:14,436 --> 00:28:17,036 Speaker 1: Have you been here? And they say it's to protect yourself, 474 00:28:17,076 --> 00:28:19,636 Speaker 1: but also to protect the show so if anything comes out, 475 00:28:19,716 --> 00:28:21,876 Speaker 1: like they know what's going on. So go through all 476 00:28:21,956 --> 00:28:23,796 Speaker 1: that and then I was like, well I have these tickets. 477 00:28:23,796 --> 00:28:25,356 Speaker 1: You're like okay, well you have to have these tickets 478 00:28:25,396 --> 00:28:29,316 Speaker 1: cleared up by Thanksgiving because Hollywood Week is in December 479 00:28:29,836 --> 00:28:32,356 Speaker 1: and you can't come here with these tickets. And I 480 00:28:32,476 --> 00:28:34,756 Speaker 1: was like, okay, I'm on it. So the next day, 481 00:28:35,276 --> 00:28:37,436 Speaker 1: in the same clothes, I go to the courthouse and 482 00:28:37,516 --> 00:28:39,236 Speaker 1: I go, hey, have these sickts I want to getting 483 00:28:39,236 --> 00:28:41,116 Speaker 1: cleared up. They go, okay, well, you can get a 484 00:28:41,156 --> 00:28:43,596 Speaker 1: court date for January fifth. It'll take care of the warrants, 485 00:28:43,636 --> 00:28:45,476 Speaker 1: but you'll I was like, no, that's not gonna work 486 00:28:45,716 --> 00:28:48,076 Speaker 1: because I can't I can't wait till jan I need 487 00:28:48,116 --> 00:28:50,276 Speaker 1: to see a judge right now. Well there's no available time, 488 00:28:50,396 --> 00:28:53,276 Speaker 1: so you can't kiss grits or you can pay for it. 489 00:28:53,716 --> 00:28:56,476 Speaker 1: It's five thousand dollars. Well, I ain't got five thousand 490 00:28:56,476 --> 00:28:58,916 Speaker 1: dollars and I wouldn't even think to ask my grandma 491 00:28:58,996 --> 00:29:01,156 Speaker 1: to ask five thousand dollars, so I'm not to go 492 00:29:01,236 --> 00:29:03,436 Speaker 1: on American idol like are you stupid? That's not gonna work. 493 00:29:03,996 --> 00:29:07,516 Speaker 1: So it quickly cocked up an idea. I was like, 494 00:29:07,636 --> 00:29:10,076 Speaker 1: leave it alone, don't touch it. So I go next door. 495 00:29:10,356 --> 00:29:12,356 Speaker 1: I go to the police station and I say, hey, 496 00:29:12,876 --> 00:29:14,916 Speaker 1: i'd like to turn myself in. I have warrants. I 497 00:29:14,996 --> 00:29:16,756 Speaker 1: need to go to jail. I'm happy as a lark. 498 00:29:17,356 --> 00:29:19,956 Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, well no, we can't. We can't 499 00:29:19,996 --> 00:29:21,396 Speaker 1: do that. I was like, well, yes, you can't. I 500 00:29:21,436 --> 00:29:23,596 Speaker 1: have warrants. Well no, these are like like these are 501 00:29:23,676 --> 00:29:25,316 Speaker 1: train tickets, buddy, We're not going to take you to 502 00:29:25,396 --> 00:29:28,236 Speaker 1: jail for train tickets and stuff like we're not, and 503 00:29:28,316 --> 00:29:29,716 Speaker 1: I was like, no, I really need to go. And 504 00:29:29,796 --> 00:29:32,476 Speaker 1: now what's interesting is I was an explorer at this 505 00:29:32,676 --> 00:29:36,796 Speaker 1: same police station the year before. Explores like a little 506 00:29:36,836 --> 00:29:39,476 Speaker 1: mini police officer. Cool. So they like train people in 507 00:29:39,556 --> 00:29:41,596 Speaker 1: the hood to get them comfortable with the police and 508 00:29:41,636 --> 00:29:43,556 Speaker 1: then delt you know, it's a feeding thing, you become 509 00:29:43,596 --> 00:29:46,676 Speaker 1: police officer. So I was ironically explore at the same 510 00:29:46,676 --> 00:29:49,116 Speaker 1: police station. She felt comfortable going there. Yeah, I was like, 511 00:29:49,196 --> 00:29:52,156 Speaker 1: take me to jail, bron. They would not take me 512 00:29:52,396 --> 00:29:54,836 Speaker 1: to jail, so I sat there for an entire hour. 513 00:29:55,436 --> 00:29:57,396 Speaker 1: Two hours goes by. I'm not gonna say he can 514 00:29:57,436 --> 00:29:59,996 Speaker 1: y'all please take me. I'll call my grandma. My grandma mother, 515 00:30:00,156 --> 00:30:02,596 Speaker 1: go to jail. She's like, no, what are you talking about? 516 00:30:02,716 --> 00:30:04,516 Speaker 1: And then my phone goes dead because I don't realize 517 00:30:04,556 --> 00:30:08,756 Speaker 1: how serious jail is. Yes, anyway, fast forward, so they 518 00:30:09,116 --> 00:30:13,236 Speaker 1: I finally take me to jail. Finally, after like hours 519 00:30:13,276 --> 00:30:15,196 Speaker 1: and hours, I'm like, I am trying to do the 520 00:30:15,316 --> 00:30:18,236 Speaker 1: right thing. Take me to jail. I really only want 521 00:30:18,236 --> 00:30:19,956 Speaker 1: to go so that I can see a judge, because 522 00:30:19,956 --> 00:30:21,596 Speaker 1: they have to, and then I can get the tickets 523 00:30:21,676 --> 00:30:24,196 Speaker 1: taken care of. So they finally picked me up. So 524 00:30:24,236 --> 00:30:26,236 Speaker 1: I get in the car and he's like, Okay, what 525 00:30:26,476 --> 00:30:28,796 Speaker 1: is your deal, bro? Like, what is your problem? Like, 526 00:30:28,996 --> 00:30:30,596 Speaker 1: you're a good looking guy. What the fuck is wrong 527 00:30:30,596 --> 00:30:32,036 Speaker 1: with what? You're trying to go jail? Like what's the problem. 528 00:30:32,396 --> 00:30:34,556 Speaker 1: So I say, well, I'm auditioned for the show. Yeah. Yeah, 529 00:30:34,636 --> 00:30:35,876 Speaker 1: and that's the only way I can see a judge. 530 00:30:35,916 --> 00:30:38,436 Speaker 1: He was like, oh, okay. Cool. So he's like, well, 531 00:30:38,436 --> 00:30:40,276 Speaker 1: you shouldn't go to jail with those nice clothes on, 532 00:30:40,476 --> 00:30:42,876 Speaker 1: like this is jail. So I was like, I was like, well, oh, 533 00:30:42,916 --> 00:30:44,476 Speaker 1: He's like, we I'll stop you. I'll stop by your 534 00:30:44,556 --> 00:30:46,596 Speaker 1: mom's house and let you change clothes. I think he 535 00:30:46,756 --> 00:30:48,916 Speaker 1: was trying to like, now that I'm thinking about it, 536 00:30:49,076 --> 00:30:50,916 Speaker 1: like hopefully someone will come and help me and tell 537 00:30:50,996 --> 00:30:52,956 Speaker 1: me don't go to jail, like it's not a game. Yes. 538 00:30:53,396 --> 00:30:54,956 Speaker 1: So I get to my mom's house. She left the 539 00:30:55,036 --> 00:30:56,796 Speaker 1: door open for me. He goes, she left the door 540 00:30:56,836 --> 00:30:58,716 Speaker 1: open for you. Why would she do that? And I 541 00:30:58,876 --> 00:31:01,116 Speaker 1: was like, well, because my mom has thinking about giving 542 00:31:01,116 --> 00:31:02,756 Speaker 1: me a key to her house. This is her house, like, 543 00:31:02,996 --> 00:31:05,596 Speaker 1: and I don't live there. So he goes in gun drawn. 544 00:31:05,676 --> 00:31:09,516 Speaker 1: The neighbors see him going in Wow, guns are drawn. Yeah, 545 00:31:09,756 --> 00:31:11,676 Speaker 1: So he brings out my clothes. I changed clothes. I 546 00:31:11,716 --> 00:31:13,516 Speaker 1: go to jail. So I go to Lindwo Jim. I'm sorry, 547 00:31:13,556 --> 00:31:15,156 Speaker 1: this is a long story. No, it's fine, all right, 548 00:31:15,196 --> 00:31:17,236 Speaker 1: I'm curious. I go to Linwood. Y'all do my mug shot. 549 00:31:17,276 --> 00:31:19,556 Speaker 1: I'm like, I gotta look fierce and look too happy 550 00:31:19,796 --> 00:31:22,276 Speaker 1: because I know. I know that if I make it 551 00:31:22,356 --> 00:31:23,836 Speaker 1: on the show and I do well, which is what 552 00:31:23,916 --> 00:31:26,636 Speaker 1: I'm hoping will happen, yes, this is gonna come out. Yeah. 553 00:31:26,676 --> 00:31:28,476 Speaker 1: So I do my face, I do my photo. So 554 00:31:28,516 --> 00:31:30,716 Speaker 1: I go to the courthouse right now, mind you, this 555 00:31:30,876 --> 00:31:33,476 Speaker 1: is like stupid ticket bullshit. So it's gonna get clear. 556 00:31:33,556 --> 00:31:35,636 Speaker 1: It's gonna be done, of course. So I go and 557 00:31:35,716 --> 00:31:38,276 Speaker 1: he's like, okay, great, all right, well just dismiss the ticket. 558 00:31:38,316 --> 00:31:39,956 Speaker 1: You're fine, buddy, you don't worry about it. It's gun 559 00:31:40,396 --> 00:31:42,516 Speaker 1: you've been in here, you've been to jail. Nowaday, it's 560 00:31:42,596 --> 00:31:45,996 Speaker 1: all taken care of. Well, that didn't happen. So after 561 00:31:46,116 --> 00:31:48,516 Speaker 1: I see the judge, I go back and it's getting 562 00:31:48,596 --> 00:31:50,836 Speaker 1: later and later. I'm like, hey, guys, I'm supposed to 563 00:31:50,836 --> 00:31:55,036 Speaker 1: go home, and they're like yeah, sure, and I'm like no, no, no, 564 00:31:55,116 --> 00:31:57,236 Speaker 1: I'm really supposed to go home, Like this is not like, 565 00:31:57,396 --> 00:31:59,956 Speaker 1: this is just you know, Linwood is like I still 566 00:31:59,996 --> 00:32:02,476 Speaker 1: have my clothes on, like it was my own little room, 567 00:32:02,876 --> 00:32:04,716 Speaker 1: Like oh okay, sure. So now it's like six or 568 00:32:04,756 --> 00:32:07,676 Speaker 1: seven o'clock and now they put me in shackles and 569 00:32:07,796 --> 00:32:10,796 Speaker 1: now I'm going to Twin Towns, which is not cute. 570 00:32:11,076 --> 00:32:12,876 Speaker 1: So now I'm in Twin Towers for three days. I 571 00:32:12,956 --> 00:32:15,636 Speaker 1: get lost in the system. Wow, So it doesn't even 572 00:32:15,676 --> 00:32:18,076 Speaker 1: show that I'm in jail, so nobody knows where I am. 573 00:32:18,836 --> 00:32:20,556 Speaker 1: I can't get out. I don't and I've never been 574 00:32:20,556 --> 00:32:21,756 Speaker 1: to jail before, so I was like, well, I'll just 575 00:32:21,796 --> 00:32:24,596 Speaker 1: sit here. The Lord will make away. So after a 576 00:32:24,676 --> 00:32:27,156 Speaker 1: couple of days, I finally get out, like and I 577 00:32:27,276 --> 00:32:29,076 Speaker 1: run home in the rain. It was very like, very 578 00:32:29,156 --> 00:32:31,716 Speaker 1: much like a movie. I caught the train without a 579 00:32:31,836 --> 00:32:36,236 Speaker 1: fair again. I got on the train and did not 580 00:32:36,356 --> 00:32:38,996 Speaker 1: pay my fair. Again. Yes, it's the purple line that 581 00:32:39,076 --> 00:32:41,156 Speaker 1: people leaves are never run the purple line. Yeah. And 582 00:32:41,756 --> 00:32:43,876 Speaker 1: I run home in the rain, and then you know, 583 00:32:44,076 --> 00:32:45,996 Speaker 1: and then I do. Then I get to Hollywood Week 584 00:32:46,516 --> 00:32:48,796 Speaker 1: and it seems like every step there was like a 585 00:32:48,796 --> 00:32:50,276 Speaker 1: thing where I should have been cut, but I wasn't. 586 00:32:50,316 --> 00:32:51,796 Speaker 1: So I did Hollywood Week and then I sang a 587 00:32:51,836 --> 00:32:54,156 Speaker 1: song called Goblin's a Child, which I said it was 588 00:32:54,196 --> 00:32:55,996 Speaker 1: like the best ever auditioned on the Idol. Then I 589 00:32:56,076 --> 00:32:57,716 Speaker 1: did the show and the show was beautiful. You become 590 00:32:57,756 --> 00:33:00,716 Speaker 1: famous overnight, like it's nuts. You're in magazines and you know, 591 00:33:01,196 --> 00:33:04,276 Speaker 1: I placed fifth, the winner of Scotty McCurry amazing to 592 00:33:04,356 --> 00:33:06,156 Speaker 1: think of. Everyone was really great in my season. The 593 00:33:06,276 --> 00:33:09,596 Speaker 1: judges were incredible, like Jail taught me how to wear 594 00:33:09,676 --> 00:33:11,516 Speaker 1: my in ears. Like it was a beautiful experience. What 595 00:33:11,676 --> 00:33:15,396 Speaker 1: they don't prepare you for is the social media craziness 596 00:33:15,436 --> 00:33:17,796 Speaker 1: because they'd never had social media before. So I was 597 00:33:17,916 --> 00:33:20,876 Speaker 1: not like it was crazy. The comments people say, they 598 00:33:20,956 --> 00:33:22,356 Speaker 1: say a lot of nice things to say a lot 599 00:33:22,396 --> 00:33:25,236 Speaker 1: of bad things. I wasn't ready for it. And then 600 00:33:25,276 --> 00:33:27,956 Speaker 1: they don't prepare you for the fall after, because I was. 601 00:33:28,116 --> 00:33:30,076 Speaker 1: They make you feel like, if you do the show 602 00:33:30,556 --> 00:33:32,316 Speaker 1: and you do well, I did place fifth that no 603 00:33:32,436 --> 00:33:35,156 Speaker 1: matter what. And actually someone told me this, you have 604 00:33:35,236 --> 00:33:36,836 Speaker 1: enough money to live on for the rest of your life. 605 00:33:37,636 --> 00:33:39,756 Speaker 1: That was a lie. Yes, So I get off the 606 00:33:39,796 --> 00:33:43,196 Speaker 1: show and you have nothing. I had a couple deals 607 00:33:43,276 --> 00:33:44,636 Speaker 1: here and there that were off and on. But it 608 00:33:44,756 --> 00:33:46,836 Speaker 1: was a struggle like being an artist. It was like 609 00:33:46,956 --> 00:33:49,516 Speaker 1: starting over from scratch, even worse because people want to 610 00:33:49,556 --> 00:33:51,276 Speaker 1: touch you because you're on the show. You're on the show. 611 00:33:52,036 --> 00:33:53,796 Speaker 1: So I had some ups and downs and went through 612 00:33:53,836 --> 00:33:55,476 Speaker 1: that and in and out. Had a church gig here 613 00:33:55,516 --> 00:33:57,276 Speaker 1: at a church there. There, I had a management situation 614 00:33:57,316 --> 00:33:59,396 Speaker 1: that ended kind of badly. They canceled all my gigs 615 00:33:59,436 --> 00:34:02,116 Speaker 1: for the rest of the year and dropped me and 616 00:34:02,436 --> 00:34:05,036 Speaker 1: took and kept the money. Wow. And so I was like, well, 617 00:34:05,036 --> 00:34:07,756 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a job. And I worked for a 618 00:34:07,836 --> 00:34:11,356 Speaker 1: sunglasses company called Good and that helped kind of push 619 00:34:11,436 --> 00:34:13,436 Speaker 1: me into this, Like I had never been an environment 620 00:34:14,036 --> 00:34:16,556 Speaker 1: where I was like loved and told to be myself 621 00:34:16,636 --> 00:34:19,796 Speaker 1: and be comfortable on who you are. And even in music, 622 00:34:20,076 --> 00:34:21,796 Speaker 1: I had never really felt that way because you got 623 00:34:21,876 --> 00:34:23,396 Speaker 1: to think, I have my start writing, so when you're 624 00:34:23,396 --> 00:34:26,796 Speaker 1: writing for the artists, you're writing in their style. Yeah, right, 625 00:34:26,876 --> 00:34:29,796 Speaker 1: And so I had never had a space to really 626 00:34:30,156 --> 00:34:35,316 Speaker 1: find what naturally just comes out of my body. Right, 627 00:34:35,676 --> 00:34:37,596 Speaker 1: even in church I'm doing a church thing, I never 628 00:34:37,716 --> 00:34:41,036 Speaker 1: got to what naturally just comes out. But this has 629 00:34:41,076 --> 00:34:45,436 Speaker 1: allowed me to really just whatever naturally comes out, and 630 00:34:45,436 --> 00:34:47,796 Speaker 1: they've pushed me to do that, and it's been a 631 00:34:47,876 --> 00:34:50,316 Speaker 1: safe place for me to do that. So it's just 632 00:34:50,476 --> 00:34:55,196 Speaker 1: been absolutely life changing between Goodder and these two white men, 633 00:34:55,316 --> 00:34:56,996 Speaker 1: even though he's not why he's technically are I meaning 634 00:34:56,996 --> 00:35:03,516 Speaker 1: an American, it's been it's between Goodder and them. It's 635 00:35:03,596 --> 00:35:06,396 Speaker 1: been in the last few years. I never you're not 636 00:35:06,516 --> 00:35:08,036 Speaker 1: you dream of a thing, but you're like, I don't 637 00:35:08,036 --> 00:35:10,076 Speaker 1: know if it's really gonna happen, and I don't know. 638 00:35:10,676 --> 00:35:12,356 Speaker 1: I don't know what I would have done. Tell me 639 00:35:12,436 --> 00:35:15,396 Speaker 1: more about your family. I grew up in Compton. My 640 00:35:15,636 --> 00:35:19,036 Speaker 1: father died when I was twelve. Really suddenly, my mom 641 00:35:19,196 --> 00:35:21,556 Speaker 1: is from Georgia. My grandmother is from Georgia's where they 642 00:35:21,636 --> 00:35:23,996 Speaker 1: moved to la when they were younger. When my mom 643 00:35:24,156 --> 00:35:27,836 Speaker 1: was very little, my grandmother remarried. Her husband died in 644 00:35:27,876 --> 00:35:30,676 Speaker 1: a car accident, and she had never worked, so they 645 00:35:31,196 --> 00:35:34,356 Speaker 1: My family experienced a lot of death in tragedy, like 646 00:35:34,476 --> 00:35:36,556 Speaker 1: a lot of it. It's kind of nuts. My uncle 647 00:35:36,596 --> 00:35:39,156 Speaker 1: committed suicide a few years ago. He jumped off a building, 648 00:35:39,236 --> 00:35:44,196 Speaker 1: and it's been like, it's nuts, But there's this thing 649 00:35:44,716 --> 00:35:47,836 Speaker 1: I kind of interviewed my grandmother when we re released 650 00:35:47,876 --> 00:35:51,196 Speaker 1: the EP and for her to experience all that, and 651 00:35:51,316 --> 00:35:54,076 Speaker 1: she said she was she learned really young. There are 652 00:35:54,156 --> 00:35:56,796 Speaker 1: no mountains too high to climb, yes, And I was 653 00:35:56,876 --> 00:35:58,836 Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, this little lady, this is 654 00:35:58,876 --> 00:36:01,236 Speaker 1: what she thinks. And there's a little bit of me 655 00:36:01,276 --> 00:36:02,796 Speaker 1: that kind of feels ouay too. But anyway, I'm an 656 00:36:02,836 --> 00:36:05,796 Speaker 1: only child, only grandchild on my mom's side, so I 657 00:36:05,876 --> 00:36:08,356 Speaker 1: was very kind of sheltered. And I grew up in Compton. 658 00:36:08,356 --> 00:36:09,796 Speaker 1: This is a little hood, you know what I'm saying. 659 00:36:10,196 --> 00:36:12,356 Speaker 1: But my mother did everything that she could to make 660 00:36:12,436 --> 00:36:15,876 Speaker 1: sure that I was able to experience other things and 661 00:36:16,036 --> 00:36:18,036 Speaker 1: know that there was another way of life for me 662 00:36:18,596 --> 00:36:21,036 Speaker 1: where she fucked up what she made me feel like 663 00:36:21,276 --> 00:36:24,916 Speaker 1: I could be anything. And so I really believe that 664 00:36:25,316 --> 00:36:27,276 Speaker 1: even sometimes when you don't like you have those normals 665 00:36:27,316 --> 00:36:28,916 Speaker 1: where you doubt it and you're like, nah, it's not 666 00:36:28,956 --> 00:36:31,916 Speaker 1: gonna happen, there's always this little bitty piece of me 667 00:36:32,036 --> 00:36:35,676 Speaker 1: that's like looking at ten million dollar houses in Pasadena. Yeah, 668 00:36:35,916 --> 00:36:38,756 Speaker 1: but maybe maybe this band wouldn't wouldn't have happened if 669 00:36:38,796 --> 00:36:42,436 Speaker 1: you didn't keep that thought alive. You know, it's impossible 670 00:36:42,476 --> 00:36:45,476 Speaker 1: to know, impossible to know. And I'll say this, the 671 00:36:45,796 --> 00:36:49,516 Speaker 1: world and the music industry in particular has not been 672 00:36:49,556 --> 00:36:55,556 Speaker 1: a place that I felt like harbored individuality. It did 673 00:36:55,636 --> 00:36:57,556 Speaker 1: not feel like ace. And this is no I'm not 674 00:36:57,676 --> 00:37:00,556 Speaker 1: bashing anyone. I had beautiful experiences. I've worked to some 675 00:37:00,596 --> 00:37:03,036 Speaker 1: of the most basic people in the industry. But it 676 00:37:03,156 --> 00:37:08,156 Speaker 1: doesn't harbor people being themselves. It doesn't harbor people being 677 00:37:08,276 --> 00:37:11,276 Speaker 1: comfortable in themselves. And then you even get people who 678 00:37:11,356 --> 00:37:14,596 Speaker 1: are enemy needs ministry. He really shouldn't be because it doesn't. 679 00:37:14,676 --> 00:37:16,636 Speaker 1: It's not a safe place for that's people that's really 680 00:37:16,676 --> 00:37:20,716 Speaker 1: their heart. And so with this experience, it's allowed me 681 00:37:20,836 --> 00:37:22,836 Speaker 1: and pushed me to like, this is the most of 682 00:37:22,876 --> 00:37:28,236 Speaker 1: myself I've ever been congratulationship. That's crazy. I'm gonna tell 683 00:37:28,236 --> 00:37:30,956 Speaker 1: you how old I am man a guy. But it's 684 00:37:31,756 --> 00:37:34,396 Speaker 1: to now be at this place where I'm actually starting 685 00:37:34,476 --> 00:37:37,836 Speaker 1: to look at myself and like be okay with myself, 686 00:37:38,716 --> 00:37:41,156 Speaker 1: Like when I was younger and fine and had body 687 00:37:41,196 --> 00:37:44,356 Speaker 1: ya ya ya yadi. Oh my god, what would have 688 00:37:44,436 --> 00:37:47,196 Speaker 1: happened if I was able to embrace myself and my 689 00:37:47,516 --> 00:37:51,436 Speaker 1: voice and who I and and really fine, my real voice. 690 00:37:51,476 --> 00:37:56,076 Speaker 1: Then oh my god, it's this long. And my hope 691 00:37:56,236 --> 00:37:59,316 Speaker 1: is that when people grab onto that, like when they 692 00:37:59,396 --> 00:38:01,756 Speaker 1: see our shows, like, oh well shit, let me be 693 00:38:01,956 --> 00:38:05,516 Speaker 1: myself too, and find out what really makes me happy, 694 00:38:05,996 --> 00:38:08,876 Speaker 1: what really makes me hold whatever that is, even if 695 00:38:08,916 --> 00:38:10,476 Speaker 1: it's not because some people, I think a lot of 696 00:38:10,476 --> 00:38:12,196 Speaker 1: people doing shit they don't really want to fucking do 697 00:38:12,756 --> 00:38:16,636 Speaker 1: still want to fucking work that job. Most find what 698 00:38:16,876 --> 00:38:20,996 Speaker 1: really makes you happy. I'm sorry, I'm going on a rant. Beautiful, 699 00:38:21,156 --> 00:38:24,716 Speaker 1: I am the most happy with these guys. Yeah, I 700 00:38:24,836 --> 00:38:27,716 Speaker 1: am the most happy. I want it's just us. Yes, 701 00:38:27,996 --> 00:38:32,276 Speaker 1: these fucking white boys who are completely different than me, Yes, 702 00:38:32,476 --> 00:38:34,756 Speaker 1: who are like, oh damn, these are my brothers, Like 703 00:38:34,796 --> 00:38:36,956 Speaker 1: these are my bros. That's beautiful and it's been the 704 00:38:36,996 --> 00:38:39,196 Speaker 1: best experience in my life. I'm sorry, No, I love it. 705 00:38:39,556 --> 00:38:42,516 Speaker 1: I love It's beautiful. And now you, hopefully you'll be 706 00:38:42,556 --> 00:38:46,756 Speaker 1: in a position to turn other people onto that possibility. Yes, 707 00:38:46,916 --> 00:38:48,876 Speaker 1: and maybe it's not just through the shows, but maybe 708 00:38:48,916 --> 00:38:51,636 Speaker 1: there are other ways, and it'd be interesting for us 709 00:38:51,636 --> 00:38:53,036 Speaker 1: to talk about that and figure out what that is. 710 00:38:53,076 --> 00:38:56,836 Speaker 1: Because I love the idea of spreading that message because 711 00:38:56,956 --> 00:38:59,356 Speaker 1: ultimately it's good for everybody. It's good for it's good 712 00:38:59,436 --> 00:39:02,316 Speaker 1: for you to feel like yourself. But then we get 713 00:39:02,356 --> 00:39:06,076 Speaker 1: to hear the music that's true coming from you because 714 00:39:06,116 --> 00:39:08,636 Speaker 1: you feel like yourself. And if artists don't feel like 715 00:39:09,116 --> 00:39:11,996 Speaker 1: it can be themselves, what do we get to listen to? 716 00:39:12,116 --> 00:39:13,836 Speaker 1: What do we get to, what do we get to see? 717 00:39:14,316 --> 00:39:16,556 Speaker 1: It all becomes the same. You know, it's all just 718 00:39:17,396 --> 00:39:20,356 Speaker 1: everybody trying to be someone else, and none of it's 719 00:39:20,396 --> 00:39:23,716 Speaker 1: interesting and none of it's good, and nobody cares, and 720 00:39:23,796 --> 00:39:27,436 Speaker 1: people making it don't care about it. The people scrolling 721 00:39:27,516 --> 00:39:29,596 Speaker 1: through what they're going to choose don't choose it because 722 00:39:29,636 --> 00:39:31,916 Speaker 1: it's all the same and it's all cookie cutter and 723 00:39:31,996 --> 00:39:35,276 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. So the fact that you're having this experience, 724 00:39:35,436 --> 00:39:38,036 Speaker 1: you're getting to work on something different that excites you. 725 00:39:38,996 --> 00:39:42,836 Speaker 1: It's the best advertisement for more good things to come. 726 00:39:43,236 --> 00:39:45,076 Speaker 1: And when I say more good things come, I don't 727 00:39:45,076 --> 00:39:48,676 Speaker 1: mean copying what you're doing. I mean people doing their 728 00:39:49,156 --> 00:39:52,876 Speaker 1: their own thing, whatever it is. Okay, I'm ranting with you. 729 00:39:56,276 --> 00:39:58,556 Speaker 1: We feel like we feel exactly. They couldn't have said it. 730 00:39:58,756 --> 00:40:01,036 Speaker 1: You pretty much just said exactly what goes on when 731 00:40:01,076 --> 00:40:04,276 Speaker 1: we're halfway between ordering chick fil I'm watching a Brittany documentary. 732 00:40:06,036 --> 00:40:07,956 Speaker 1: We have to take a quick break here, but we'll 733 00:40:07,996 --> 00:40:21,076 Speaker 1: be back with more from Rick Ruben and Gabriel's baby 734 00:40:21,276 --> 00:40:28,876 Speaker 1: Girl is finding nineteen, raised on Cafish and cold green, 735 00:40:31,076 --> 00:40:38,076 Speaker 1: brown ass, smugging real schweet kid in time with a 736 00:40:38,156 --> 00:40:48,036 Speaker 1: strong heartbeat. Michael said, she's gonna break my heart and 737 00:40:48,116 --> 00:41:05,516 Speaker 1: then take my should she try to help me stop 738 00:41:06,036 --> 00:41:15,276 Speaker 1: in Mangan shame bitch done in fashion sheet show the 739 00:41:15,476 --> 00:41:25,356 Speaker 1: shore beauty twink, I slow them shame. Nobody said that 740 00:41:25,396 --> 00:41:27,876 Speaker 1: you ain't got the basic changing game and change in eye. 741 00:41:29,636 --> 00:41:37,636 Speaker 1: You're just another motherfucker looking up at the nerrorball just 742 00:41:37,876 --> 00:41:50,676 Speaker 1: where I could show somebody helped me. I've been feeling 743 00:41:54,036 --> 00:42:05,796 Speaker 1: behind and sweep been needing you. It's time down for 744 00:42:06,116 --> 00:42:14,716 Speaker 1: me to come this spichit thing the sky cra still 745 00:42:14,876 --> 00:42:26,316 Speaker 1: like we cock you win. I can cook a ren again. 746 00:42:27,356 --> 00:42:31,516 Speaker 1: I don't need nothing but time. It will be just fine. 747 00:42:32,436 --> 00:42:37,796 Speaker 1: We think went from no matter what, STA trail me 748 00:42:38,116 --> 00:42:41,556 Speaker 1: up some down and I sad that I came shot 749 00:42:50,756 --> 00:43:34,236 Speaker 1: speak Ja gets always Ja like it's always. That was 750 00:43:34,316 --> 00:43:37,676 Speaker 1: Gabriel's performing their song Angels and Queens Live for Us 751 00:43:37,956 --> 00:43:41,396 Speaker 1: at Arlan studio in Austin, Texas. Here's the rest of 752 00:43:41,436 --> 00:43:45,116 Speaker 1: their interview with Rick Rubin. How did it go from 753 00:43:45,796 --> 00:43:49,516 Speaker 1: the three of you to what we're experiencing you guys 754 00:43:49,596 --> 00:43:52,636 Speaker 1: playing as a live band. How did that happen? That happened? 755 00:43:52,676 --> 00:43:55,876 Speaker 1: I guess post COVID, because we had it kind of 756 00:43:55,996 --> 00:43:59,836 Speaker 1: all came to a head a bit in like we 757 00:44:00,076 --> 00:44:03,236 Speaker 1: had been working on it really sporadically, so that Loyalty 758 00:44:03,356 --> 00:44:07,356 Speaker 1: song kind of came out, and then some labels, people 759 00:44:07,396 --> 00:44:08,996 Speaker 1: who I had been working I was in another bit 760 00:44:09,116 --> 00:44:11,876 Speaker 1: and that was also signed to a label, and they 761 00:44:11,956 --> 00:44:14,436 Speaker 1: started reaching out to us like what's this, Like, you know, 762 00:44:14,556 --> 00:44:16,636 Speaker 1: do you have more music? Stuff like that? And then 763 00:44:16,676 --> 00:44:19,916 Speaker 1: we were like, oh no. And then we just kind 764 00:44:19,956 --> 00:44:23,476 Speaker 1: of got together back at my place and wrote a 765 00:44:23,596 --> 00:44:25,396 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff, one of which is actually one of 766 00:44:25,476 --> 00:44:27,716 Speaker 1: those songs we played here, which was that was in 767 00:44:27,796 --> 00:44:31,516 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Then we just started kind of putting it together. 768 00:44:31,596 --> 00:44:34,036 Speaker 1: I have some friends Ryan Us, some friends Jacobes of 769 00:44:34,116 --> 00:44:37,516 Speaker 1: friends that like play, so we had this little community 770 00:44:37,516 --> 00:44:39,676 Speaker 1: of musicians that we would bring in and then it 771 00:44:39,836 --> 00:44:42,796 Speaker 1: was like COVID. Actually our last session in the desert, 772 00:44:43,156 --> 00:44:46,916 Speaker 1: we wrote another song called stranger and then we were like, 773 00:44:47,516 --> 00:44:49,956 Speaker 1: we had one of our songs mastered, this one called 774 00:44:49,996 --> 00:44:51,876 Speaker 1: in Loving Memory, and he was like, maybe let's put 775 00:44:51,956 --> 00:44:55,196 Speaker 1: that out now because there's nothing going on whatever, and 776 00:44:56,236 --> 00:44:58,196 Speaker 1: then we could kind of put it into the ZP. 777 00:44:58,356 --> 00:45:01,916 Speaker 1: We had some songs at this point. Then we put 778 00:45:02,076 --> 00:45:04,556 Speaker 1: that song out and then it gained a lot of traction, 779 00:45:04,836 --> 00:45:09,956 Speaker 1: you know, like Giles Peterson played it and Virgil Ablow 780 00:45:10,036 --> 00:45:12,516 Speaker 1: played it on his radio show, which was amazing, and 781 00:45:13,316 --> 00:45:16,556 Speaker 1: we were just like, yeah, it was in the same week. 782 00:45:16,596 --> 00:45:17,996 Speaker 1: So then all of a sudden we were like, let's 783 00:45:18,036 --> 00:45:21,916 Speaker 1: get together this vinyl, you know, and we put it together, 784 00:45:22,036 --> 00:45:24,236 Speaker 1: put it out in December, and I remember just like 785 00:45:24,556 --> 00:45:26,876 Speaker 1: we put it on bandcamp and just seeing like the 786 00:45:26,996 --> 00:45:29,956 Speaker 1: band camp notifications on my phone. It was kind of crazy. 787 00:45:30,036 --> 00:45:33,476 Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, this is nuts. So it started 788 00:45:33,516 --> 00:45:36,036 Speaker 1: getting picked up, you know, BBC, especially in the UK, 789 00:45:36,276 --> 00:45:40,636 Speaker 1: they started really supporting it, and you know, it took 790 00:45:40,676 --> 00:45:42,156 Speaker 1: a bit of time, you know, and there was a 791 00:45:42,196 --> 00:45:46,276 Speaker 1: lot of talk, a lot of people coming in, you know, labels, managers, 792 00:45:46,396 --> 00:45:51,276 Speaker 1: different people, and I guess around early twenty twenty one, 793 00:45:51,956 --> 00:45:56,916 Speaker 1: we got like a DM from our manager now Duncan 794 00:45:57,316 --> 00:46:02,076 Speaker 1: and duncan Ellis, and we were big fans of Celeste, 795 00:46:02,796 --> 00:46:05,636 Speaker 1: who he also managed, so in our eyes were like, 796 00:46:05,716 --> 00:46:07,796 Speaker 1: maybe we could make a cool song with her, you know, 797 00:46:07,996 --> 00:46:11,156 Speaker 1: something like that. We you know, I like what he's done, 798 00:46:11,636 --> 00:46:14,876 Speaker 1: you know, and it seems like she's doing cool work. 799 00:46:15,436 --> 00:46:19,036 Speaker 1: And we were all obviously, you know, trying to figure 800 00:46:19,036 --> 00:46:20,716 Speaker 1: out how to make money and stuff like that, so 801 00:46:20,836 --> 00:46:25,556 Speaker 1: it felt like yeah, exactly. And then it was like, 802 00:46:25,676 --> 00:46:27,276 Speaker 1: all right, it feels like the right time because we 803 00:46:27,356 --> 00:46:30,676 Speaker 1: had kind of independently we self released that first EP, 804 00:46:30,876 --> 00:46:34,156 Speaker 1: you know, me and Ryan, like Jake, we invested all 805 00:46:34,196 --> 00:46:36,156 Speaker 1: our own money into it, you know. We made we 806 00:46:36,316 --> 00:46:38,876 Speaker 1: did a like a Calvin Klein campaign that had a 807 00:46:38,956 --> 00:46:40,716 Speaker 1: bunch of our songs in it, and that was a 808 00:46:40,796 --> 00:46:43,396 Speaker 1: really good marker for us because that was like this 809 00:46:43,636 --> 00:46:46,596 Speaker 1: really high end job. It was actually very artistic, and 810 00:46:47,156 --> 00:46:49,556 Speaker 1: we were just trying out these little ideas of new 811 00:46:49,636 --> 00:46:51,636 Speaker 1: songs on it, and then people were liking it, and 812 00:46:51,716 --> 00:46:55,596 Speaker 1: it was by the Calvin I'm very different from the 813 00:46:55,716 --> 00:46:58,116 Speaker 1: tent music that they had, so we'd just like they'd 814 00:46:58,156 --> 00:46:59,756 Speaker 1: give us tent, but then we'd just give them a 815 00:46:59,836 --> 00:47:02,716 Speaker 1: whole different song on it. That was like completely different, 816 00:47:02,796 --> 00:47:04,276 Speaker 1: and then they would just go with it and we 817 00:47:04,356 --> 00:47:06,756 Speaker 1: were like, that's cool, you know, And so does it 818 00:47:06,956 --> 00:47:11,156 Speaker 1: start as a jam? Am essentially like, is there a 819 00:47:11,316 --> 00:47:16,076 Speaker 1: musical jam? There's a music, there's a musical idea, there 820 00:47:16,276 --> 00:47:18,556 Speaker 1: is there a vocal idea, or you'll hear an instrumental 821 00:47:18,596 --> 00:47:21,236 Speaker 1: track and start singing just whatever comes. How does it work? 822 00:47:21,556 --> 00:47:25,916 Speaker 1: It's so usually they've done a musical kind of idea 823 00:47:26,076 --> 00:47:30,356 Speaker 1: of a song, but including the melody no, no, just 824 00:47:31,476 --> 00:47:36,436 Speaker 1: us a song that's written. Yeah. Now, sometimes in their 825 00:47:36,916 --> 00:47:40,556 Speaker 1: music discovery there may there may have been a melody 826 00:47:40,596 --> 00:47:42,516 Speaker 1: that they may pick up or whatever I see, but 827 00:47:42,636 --> 00:47:45,556 Speaker 1: we try to keep it as raw as possible, and 828 00:47:45,636 --> 00:47:48,556 Speaker 1: then when I come then we sometimes there might be 829 00:47:48,596 --> 00:47:51,556 Speaker 1: a melody idea. Sometimes we'll have a conversation. Sometimes we 830 00:47:51,716 --> 00:47:53,956 Speaker 1: would have watched like when we did Glory, we watched 831 00:47:54,036 --> 00:47:56,836 Speaker 1: the Tina Turner doc and then that kind of helps 832 00:47:57,156 --> 00:47:59,396 Speaker 1: influence it or in the in the music starts, but 833 00:47:59,476 --> 00:48:02,556 Speaker 1: it's always it's just a starting place. So the music changes, 834 00:48:02,916 --> 00:48:05,316 Speaker 1: the melody change, and the changes a few times in 835 00:48:05,436 --> 00:48:10,796 Speaker 1: the process. But it's for me, it's really allowing the 836 00:48:11,076 --> 00:48:15,276 Speaker 1: song to speak, yes, like allowing it to say yes 837 00:48:15,716 --> 00:48:18,676 Speaker 1: what it wants to say. Sometimes like Taboo when we 838 00:48:18,876 --> 00:48:22,556 Speaker 1: were writing it and I wanted to add this, like 839 00:48:22,636 --> 00:48:24,196 Speaker 1: I just let me just add I just want to 840 00:48:24,236 --> 00:48:26,236 Speaker 1: add this part where this musical breaking isn't just like 841 00:48:26,476 --> 00:48:29,516 Speaker 1: you know, the song doesn't doesn't need that, It doesn't 842 00:48:29,516 --> 00:48:30,956 Speaker 1: need that. Why are we Why are you just gonna 843 00:48:30,956 --> 00:48:34,076 Speaker 1: shove this in there? So it's really allowing the music, 844 00:48:34,156 --> 00:48:38,436 Speaker 1: the song, the lyric, the story to have its way. 845 00:48:38,956 --> 00:48:41,476 Speaker 1: The thing that I love is that we really do 846 00:48:41,636 --> 00:48:44,196 Speaker 1: write the songs completely together, like that's a real thing. 847 00:48:44,836 --> 00:48:47,796 Speaker 1: But there's also a thing because of that, we don't 848 00:48:47,836 --> 00:48:50,556 Speaker 1: allow our egos in the room. Yes, when we're doing that, 849 00:48:50,596 --> 00:48:52,316 Speaker 1: because like I gotta have my piece or I gotta 850 00:48:52,356 --> 00:48:54,796 Speaker 1: have mine or we don't have that issue because it's 851 00:48:54,956 --> 00:48:58,156 Speaker 1: ours and it really gives the song the space to 852 00:48:58,276 --> 00:49:00,796 Speaker 1: do whatever it wants to do. It's beautiful. It sounds 853 00:49:00,796 --> 00:49:02,636 Speaker 1: like if you're doing that, even if you were doing 854 00:49:02,716 --> 00:49:05,516 Speaker 1: that by yourself, there's not really room for ego because 855 00:49:05,996 --> 00:49:07,276 Speaker 1: do you know what I'm saying, If you want it 856 00:49:07,316 --> 00:49:11,596 Speaker 1: to be its best version of itself, it's bigger than us, 857 00:49:11,916 --> 00:49:14,916 Speaker 1: you know, It's it's coming from a different place. It's 858 00:49:15,076 --> 00:49:18,076 Speaker 1: coming from a different Okay, I'm gonna be a really 859 00:49:18,156 --> 00:49:20,316 Speaker 1: churchy so we got to think all the HOLI ghost right, Yeah, 860 00:49:20,396 --> 00:49:23,796 Speaker 1: I'm very churchy, yes, but I believe differently. I think 861 00:49:24,156 --> 00:49:26,716 Speaker 1: love is for everyone, even if we like I think 862 00:49:26,756 --> 00:49:29,436 Speaker 1: we're supposed to believe differently like and that's fine, and 863 00:49:29,516 --> 00:49:31,556 Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. I think there is this 864 00:49:31,756 --> 00:49:35,516 Speaker 1: other thing in the universe. Maybe you call it the universe. 865 00:49:35,636 --> 00:49:40,396 Speaker 1: Maybe it's energy, Maybe it's something that everything carries. And 866 00:49:40,516 --> 00:49:43,916 Speaker 1: I think music carries that same thing. And if you 867 00:49:44,116 --> 00:49:46,596 Speaker 1: just let it lead the way and let it have 868 00:49:46,796 --> 00:49:51,436 Speaker 1: its way, it will. But oftentimes we get in the way. Yeah, 869 00:49:51,596 --> 00:49:54,116 Speaker 1: I mean that's like fay much just a life. You know. 870 00:49:54,356 --> 00:49:56,156 Speaker 1: It's the thing where people just can't get out there, 871 00:49:56,156 --> 00:49:58,476 Speaker 1: own't go done with, you know. And it's like but 872 00:49:59,036 --> 00:50:01,516 Speaker 1: in terms of like how it starts, usually with the music, 873 00:50:01,636 --> 00:50:04,076 Speaker 1: like the starting process, and usually are of like written 874 00:50:04,116 --> 00:50:06,316 Speaker 1: the music. He'll like get the structure of us. This 875 00:50:06,396 --> 00:50:08,436 Speaker 1: is what I mean about what like I've learned from him, 876 00:50:08,516 --> 00:50:11,156 Speaker 1: and like he with the Gabriel songs, he'll write the 877 00:50:11,276 --> 00:50:13,316 Speaker 1: music of the verse, the chorus, the bride. There'll be 878 00:50:13,356 --> 00:50:16,836 Speaker 1: a structured thing yes, that's very clearly like developed and 879 00:50:16,996 --> 00:50:19,396 Speaker 1: lay it out for little cut and then then he'll 880 00:50:19,476 --> 00:50:21,476 Speaker 1: give me a call out come in. We'll tweak a 881 00:50:21,516 --> 00:50:23,636 Speaker 1: little bit what's usually he's written and done it. It's 882 00:50:23,636 --> 00:50:25,716 Speaker 1: already down the line. What my input in that is 883 00:50:25,876 --> 00:50:28,236 Speaker 1: very minor compared to what are he does. And then 884 00:50:28,436 --> 00:50:30,116 Speaker 1: at a point when like we'll be like, all right, 885 00:50:30,316 --> 00:50:32,436 Speaker 1: this is something that we can then bring the Jacob 886 00:50:32,516 --> 00:50:34,396 Speaker 1: because you just have to give him a litop. I 887 00:50:34,436 --> 00:50:36,436 Speaker 1: mean you've heard he like he just needs a leop. 888 00:50:36,636 --> 00:50:39,476 Speaker 1: And it'll sometimes be like it'll be like we've worked 889 00:50:39,516 --> 00:50:41,436 Speaker 1: through a bunch of tracks, you know, and we pick 890 00:50:41,556 --> 00:50:45,236 Speaker 1: through what feels like it's going to serve and it's 891 00:50:45,356 --> 00:50:49,476 Speaker 1: interesting exactly I imagine sometimes depending on what the vocal does, 892 00:50:50,356 --> 00:50:52,476 Speaker 1: it happens again where it's like, oh, the vocal wants 893 00:50:52,516 --> 00:50:54,596 Speaker 1: it to go in this direction. Yeah, we thought it 894 00:50:54,676 --> 00:50:59,436 Speaker 1: was going to go this way. Change it, you know, Hey, 895 00:50:59,596 --> 00:51:02,956 Speaker 1: can we try to do this or can we change 896 00:51:03,036 --> 00:51:06,316 Speaker 1: the key? Or can we But there has to be 897 00:51:06,436 --> 00:51:08,676 Speaker 1: trust that oh, he's really doing this for the sake 898 00:51:08,716 --> 00:51:11,036 Speaker 1: of the side. Yes, But there's also a thing. Here's 899 00:51:11,036 --> 00:51:15,356 Speaker 1: the other thing, and this is where having being securing 900 00:51:15,436 --> 00:51:18,356 Speaker 1: yourself or like being okay, I had a job, they 901 00:51:18,476 --> 00:51:21,716 Speaker 1: had their thing. This was literally just for the love 902 00:51:21,836 --> 00:51:25,156 Speaker 1: of the music. Yes, that's the key though, like doing 903 00:51:25,196 --> 00:51:27,236 Speaker 1: it for the love of the music. That's why it's good. 904 00:51:27,476 --> 00:51:30,716 Speaker 1: If it ever turns into a job, it won't be 905 00:51:30,836 --> 00:51:33,676 Speaker 1: the same. It's funny, ever since we did kind of 906 00:51:33,796 --> 00:51:39,196 Speaker 1: get into you know, a partnership, just being honest, it started, 907 00:51:39,436 --> 00:51:41,956 Speaker 1: you know, we were like, you know, we're here, we're ourselves, 908 00:51:41,996 --> 00:51:43,716 Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know, we we all felt like 909 00:51:43,836 --> 00:51:46,156 Speaker 1: this is going to be amazing. Yes, and then you know, 910 00:51:46,236 --> 00:51:48,276 Speaker 1: a lot of other forces, a lot of people come 911 00:51:48,356 --> 00:51:50,316 Speaker 1: and start trying to tell you how this can be 912 00:51:50,436 --> 00:51:53,436 Speaker 1: bigger and how this can be better. And then to 913 00:51:53,716 --> 00:51:55,636 Speaker 1: me and us, it felt like, I'm like, you know, 914 00:51:55,756 --> 00:51:58,636 Speaker 1: I don't want to like look myself in the mirror 915 00:51:58,956 --> 00:52:01,476 Speaker 1: and have a song I hate even if I'm like 916 00:52:02,636 --> 00:52:05,716 Speaker 1: rich as fuck, like, and they might not be right, 917 00:52:05,916 --> 00:52:08,156 Speaker 1: if that's another part of us, they're wrong. It's just 918 00:52:08,276 --> 00:52:10,956 Speaker 1: another idea. It's another idea, And chances are what they're 919 00:52:10,956 --> 00:52:14,356 Speaker 1: telling you is based on what worked for someone else, 920 00:52:14,556 --> 00:52:18,036 Speaker 1: not what worked for you. So it's it's impossible to know. 921 00:52:18,436 --> 00:52:21,516 Speaker 1: It's impossible to know. Yeah, and then you're just you know, 922 00:52:21,596 --> 00:52:24,236 Speaker 1: and then what are you contributing. You're just it's the 923 00:52:24,356 --> 00:52:27,636 Speaker 1: same music made by the same people for the same audience. 924 00:52:27,796 --> 00:52:31,116 Speaker 1: So then there's no new ideas. Yeah, if you if 925 00:52:31,196 --> 00:52:36,116 Speaker 1: you are making your favorite stuff together, that's the best 926 00:52:36,196 --> 00:52:37,956 Speaker 1: chance you have of anyone else liking it. It's the 927 00:52:38,036 --> 00:52:41,796 Speaker 1: best chance, better than anything, better than any second guessing 928 00:52:41,876 --> 00:52:44,796 Speaker 1: that you can do, or any opinions from someone who 929 00:52:44,876 --> 00:52:48,076 Speaker 1: knows better. If you love it all of if you 930 00:52:48,316 --> 00:52:52,036 Speaker 1: collectively love it and would be excited to play it 931 00:52:52,156 --> 00:52:57,316 Speaker 1: for your friends, there is no better test. That's it, absolutely, 932 00:52:57,356 --> 00:52:58,916 Speaker 1: Because it was like when we were making up in 933 00:52:58,956 --> 00:53:01,836 Speaker 1: these sporadic times and you know these twill be mine 934 00:53:01,956 --> 00:53:03,676 Speaker 1: 'll be will be in a laa whatever it was 935 00:53:04,396 --> 00:53:07,516 Speaker 1: like in the weeks after way it hung out and 936 00:53:07,716 --> 00:53:10,356 Speaker 1: done something, no matter how raw it was. In the 937 00:53:10,436 --> 00:53:13,996 Speaker 1: weeks afterwards, I'd be working some other ship and I'd 938 00:53:14,036 --> 00:53:15,956 Speaker 1: be like, God, I'd just be listening to that drumlobe. 939 00:53:16,476 --> 00:53:17,996 Speaker 1: I would I'll be going back to that thing and 940 00:53:17,996 --> 00:53:20,796 Speaker 1: I'd be like feeling that thing of like, oh that 941 00:53:21,036 --> 00:53:23,116 Speaker 1: that makes me look in the mirr. That's what I'll 942 00:53:23,196 --> 00:53:25,396 Speaker 1: do well. That's what I want to do, do you 943 00:53:25,436 --> 00:53:26,596 Speaker 1: know what I mean? It was like and I'd be 944 00:53:26,676 --> 00:53:28,756 Speaker 1: doing this other stuff that people might think is cool 945 00:53:28,916 --> 00:53:30,876 Speaker 1: or make money and whatever. We're like, yeah, I'm fucking 946 00:53:30,996 --> 00:53:33,236 Speaker 1: hit it, you know, I really did. And like that's 947 00:53:33,516 --> 00:53:35,356 Speaker 1: when I met Ari, like ten years ago. I was 948 00:53:35,716 --> 00:53:37,476 Speaker 1: I was sick of people telling me my work look 949 00:53:37,556 --> 00:53:40,596 Speaker 1: great and I just felt nothing. Yeah, Honestly, when I 950 00:53:40,676 --> 00:53:42,356 Speaker 1: looked at it, I was kind of like I felt 951 00:53:42,396 --> 00:53:44,796 Speaker 1: like I really didn't fit it look good. And I'm 952 00:53:44,836 --> 00:53:46,116 Speaker 1: good at what I do when I do, you know, 953 00:53:46,396 --> 00:53:48,556 Speaker 1: kind of creatively, I'm pretty good at shape and stuff. 954 00:53:49,036 --> 00:53:51,796 Speaker 1: And it's like this thing where I just didn't feel anything. Man, 955 00:53:52,036 --> 00:53:53,876 Speaker 1: And like meeting Marie, it was like this weird thing 956 00:53:53,956 --> 00:53:56,556 Speaker 1: where I was working on stuff. This is before we started. 957 00:53:56,636 --> 00:54:00,476 Speaker 1: I was like I would leave working with him and 958 00:54:00,556 --> 00:54:02,236 Speaker 1: the work that happened and the thing I told him, 959 00:54:02,236 --> 00:54:05,436 Speaker 1: I'd feel like legit, Yeah I would, And then like 960 00:54:05,556 --> 00:54:07,556 Speaker 1: that would be the same feeling that would then carry 961 00:54:07,596 --> 00:54:09,876 Speaker 1: on the three of us. Like when we would lave it, 962 00:54:09,916 --> 00:54:12,156 Speaker 1: I'd be like, damn listening, you know this that's just 963 00:54:12,356 --> 00:54:14,796 Speaker 1: got something. It's got that thing. And if you think 964 00:54:14,876 --> 00:54:17,436 Speaker 1: of all of the people who make things trying to 965 00:54:17,556 --> 00:54:22,156 Speaker 1: get on the radio and don't. Yeh, I make something 966 00:54:22,316 --> 00:54:25,516 Speaker 1: exactly that's just your taste that you never think would 967 00:54:25,556 --> 00:54:28,196 Speaker 1: get on the radio, and that gets on the radio. 968 00:54:28,756 --> 00:54:33,836 Speaker 1: Trust yourself, that's it. That's the test case. Remember that, 969 00:54:34,596 --> 00:54:39,316 Speaker 1: Remember how it started. Than we needed that. It's funny. 970 00:54:39,356 --> 00:54:41,956 Speaker 1: It's funny. It's funny that you say that. In my case, 971 00:54:42,676 --> 00:54:46,396 Speaker 1: it wasn't even trust myself. It was trust them yea, 972 00:54:46,796 --> 00:54:49,476 Speaker 1: and trust the as like Jacob, this is the best 973 00:54:49,636 --> 00:54:55,076 Speaker 1: music you've ever done. Yes, fuck it, like literally black black, 974 00:54:55,076 --> 00:54:58,516 Speaker 1: because I was like, well, no, I need to do this, Jacob, 975 00:54:58,596 --> 00:55:02,036 Speaker 1: just chill the fuck out. What that's what y'all want 976 00:55:02,076 --> 00:55:04,156 Speaker 1: to do? All right, that's fine, you want me to 977 00:55:04,236 --> 00:55:08,596 Speaker 1: do what? Okay? Fine. As a rule, try everything if 978 00:55:08,636 --> 00:55:11,996 Speaker 1: you ever and I idea that's different, try it also, Yeah, 979 00:55:12,116 --> 00:55:16,476 Speaker 1: and then we do. That's one thing we do. Rule 980 00:55:16,596 --> 00:55:19,956 Speaker 1: like that. You never know. You never know. I've tried, 981 00:55:20,636 --> 00:55:24,436 Speaker 1: but you can. It doesn't always work. It's fine, it's fine, 982 00:55:24,836 --> 00:55:27,556 Speaker 1: but he is. Trust That process is fun, you know. 983 00:55:27,676 --> 00:55:30,156 Speaker 1: It's like we love to just even recut, like take 984 00:55:30,276 --> 00:55:33,556 Speaker 1: everything out here, just vocal and bass or something random 985 00:55:33,676 --> 00:55:36,636 Speaker 1: and it's like that's exciting to us. That's where like 986 00:55:36,836 --> 00:55:40,036 Speaker 1: we'll just Jacob will just give us something amazing and 987 00:55:40,116 --> 00:55:42,156 Speaker 1: then we can nerd. You know. It's like because that's 988 00:55:42,196 --> 00:55:47,596 Speaker 1: the thing with Bloodline Stranger even Stranger completely reworked and 989 00:55:47,676 --> 00:55:48,996 Speaker 1: I came back and I cried. I was like, what 990 00:55:49,276 --> 00:55:52,556 Speaker 1: it's like. But again, it's just you can't try everything 991 00:55:52,716 --> 00:55:56,956 Speaker 1: if you have a fear of anything, right and trust. 992 00:55:57,036 --> 00:55:58,796 Speaker 1: Trust is that That's what I was trying to say. 993 00:55:58,836 --> 00:56:00,516 Speaker 1: It's like the one thing I've learned and the one 994 00:56:00,556 --> 00:56:02,236 Speaker 1: thing I'll share you right now if I was to 995 00:56:02,316 --> 00:56:05,796 Speaker 1: give any advice to anybody in my short, very very short, 996 00:56:05,916 --> 00:56:10,036 Speaker 1: your long music career, what are you talking like? You 997 00:56:10,156 --> 00:56:13,836 Speaker 1: the fun? Do I think I've been making you? Because 998 00:56:13,836 --> 00:56:15,756 Speaker 1: you go ago? And I want to be unogize about 999 00:56:15,796 --> 00:56:17,916 Speaker 1: this right now if I do feel it's impolish as 1000 00:56:17,996 --> 00:56:20,676 Speaker 1: it's just as an artist just to share that trust 1001 00:56:20,956 --> 00:56:23,916 Speaker 1: is the one thing that will be the key to 1002 00:56:24,156 --> 00:56:26,956 Speaker 1: work flaw and you can if you trust teacher of 1003 00:56:27,036 --> 00:56:30,356 Speaker 1: your trust, I'm safe to try something like you're going 1004 00:56:30,396 --> 00:56:33,116 Speaker 1: to nurture that environment. That's true, right, because you're not 1005 00:56:33,316 --> 00:56:36,276 Speaker 1: nurturing that environment for people around you. To feel safe. 1006 00:56:36,436 --> 00:56:38,516 Speaker 1: They've got to trust you to feel safe to try 1007 00:56:38,596 --> 00:56:41,356 Speaker 1: shit and be wrong, nothing wrong with being wrong, and 1008 00:56:41,476 --> 00:56:44,276 Speaker 1: like the thing is is like that is what, that's 1009 00:56:44,316 --> 00:56:46,716 Speaker 1: what kind of we've been building that garden to me, 1010 00:56:46,756 --> 00:56:49,916 Speaker 1: and I will say Ryan's been a very strong part 1011 00:56:49,996 --> 00:56:53,516 Speaker 1: in that for me and Jake. I think he's because 1012 00:56:54,076 --> 00:56:56,196 Speaker 1: you know, I think Jacob and I have a said 1013 00:56:56,316 --> 00:56:58,756 Speaker 1: to kind of be hard on ourselves in certain ways. 1014 00:56:58,956 --> 00:57:05,716 Speaker 1: As most genius is, then Yan's always there to encourage 1015 00:57:05,796 --> 00:57:08,756 Speaker 1: and even stuff that we might not think is something 1016 00:57:08,836 --> 00:57:11,796 Speaker 1: that are just trying, He'll be like, no, keep that 1017 00:57:11,916 --> 00:57:14,756 Speaker 1: that's sick, like really cool, and then you listen to 1018 00:57:14,876 --> 00:57:17,996 Speaker 1: it and it's like that has been invaluable in this 1019 00:57:18,196 --> 00:57:22,676 Speaker 1: experience for you know, anyone, because so cool. I also 1020 00:57:22,756 --> 00:57:27,196 Speaker 1: say this in life in general, we need to create 1021 00:57:27,556 --> 00:57:32,636 Speaker 1: spaces where people are safe and they can cut the 1022 00:57:32,716 --> 00:57:35,516 Speaker 1: bullshit because a lot of us are doing bullshit that's 1023 00:57:35,556 --> 00:57:38,476 Speaker 1: not real musically in life absolutely, and we're making these 1024 00:57:38,596 --> 00:57:43,476 Speaker 1: standards and creating these stories for people and people you're 1025 00:57:44,156 --> 00:57:47,116 Speaker 1: fifty sixty years old and you still don't have a 1026 00:57:47,196 --> 00:57:49,316 Speaker 1: clue of who you really are, what you really want, 1027 00:57:49,436 --> 00:57:52,436 Speaker 1: what you what's really in your heart, what's really you know, 1028 00:57:52,676 --> 00:57:55,436 Speaker 1: And so you've been bullshitting for fifty years. Yeah, now 1029 00:57:55,476 --> 00:58:00,116 Speaker 1: you're sixty five, and now you've realized, Oh, I'm actually 1030 00:58:00,156 --> 00:58:01,716 Speaker 1: don't need all that. I really don't have to do 1031 00:58:01,796 --> 00:58:05,876 Speaker 1: all that. I really don't. But even musically, that's what 1032 00:58:06,196 --> 00:58:10,076 Speaker 1: I think we've created where it's like, we know the truth. 1033 00:58:10,116 --> 00:58:13,956 Speaker 1: You can't bullshit me in here, chick, come on. Really, 1034 00:58:14,276 --> 00:58:18,676 Speaker 1: that's what and that is what my prayer is that 1035 00:58:18,956 --> 00:58:22,316 Speaker 1: the world is able to have that where we can 1036 00:58:22,356 --> 00:58:25,836 Speaker 1: stop bullshitting each other. Beautiful, whatever it is, whatever that is, 1037 00:58:25,956 --> 00:58:27,676 Speaker 1: whatever it is, this is what, This is what brings 1038 00:58:27,716 --> 00:58:30,036 Speaker 1: me peace. This is what I don't want to fucking 1039 00:58:30,116 --> 00:58:32,476 Speaker 1: work a job or whatever it is, whatever it is, 1040 00:58:33,036 --> 00:58:35,996 Speaker 1: just and even if it's even if you have to 1041 00:58:36,116 --> 00:58:39,716 Speaker 1: do something that you're uncomfortable with, yes, at least the 1042 00:58:39,956 --> 00:58:44,116 Speaker 1: truth is known, yes, And it's like knowledge yes, because 1043 00:58:44,156 --> 00:58:47,196 Speaker 1: then you're able to move absolutely beautiful. You never have 1044 00:58:47,276 --> 00:58:52,916 Speaker 1: to apologize to me, You never have to apologize. I 1045 00:58:53,076 --> 00:58:55,276 Speaker 1: go on these ramps and I get lost in space. 1046 00:58:55,396 --> 00:59:03,276 Speaker 1: It's beautiful. Point is it's beautiful? All good. Congratulations on yeah, 1047 00:59:03,276 --> 00:59:06,836 Speaker 1: congratulations on finding each other, and congratulations on making beautiful stuff. 1048 00:59:08,276 --> 00:59:11,996 Speaker 1: Nothing better, all right, Thank you for doing this man, 1049 00:59:12,236 --> 00:59:20,756 Speaker 1: Thank you, Yeah, thanks again to Gabriel's I also want 1050 00:59:20,756 --> 00:59:22,316 Speaker 1: to give a shout out to the folks who made 1051 00:59:22,356 --> 00:59:25,196 Speaker 1: that live session sound as beautiful as it does. The 1052 00:59:25,276 --> 00:59:28,356 Speaker 1: whole band, of course, plus Lisa Fletcher at Oreland Studios 1053 00:59:28,396 --> 00:59:32,196 Speaker 1: in Austin, Texas. Chris Shaw who engineered that session in 1054 00:59:32,316 --> 00:59:35,076 Speaker 1: Beach Noise who mixed the songs. 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