1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: Here's Drew, it's time friends, John Harris, Major Doherty. This 5 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: is Texans in the Lab. This is a real hardcore 6 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: in the Lab. When we started this, I think in 7 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, this podcast, we would get dorky, 8 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: we would get granular, we'd get down and get kind 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: of fantastical. Is it fantasy? We get fantasy in languadish. 10 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's pretty good. That's good. 11 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: We go with that meaning, you know, one time we 12 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: uh one time we ping pong back and forth and 13 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: drafted an all time NFL roster. But you could only 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: take one player from a franchise. He couldn't have Earl 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: Campbell and Warren. 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, Bruce Matthews, Yeah, one of those. 17 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I'll go back, you would, you might. 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: You took Earl Campbell, so I couldn't couldn't take it. 19 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: But hey, man from the Browns, I got Jim Brown. 20 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 4: Yep, they got Walter Payton pretty good. 21 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 2: I took Darrel reebis So you know there was I. 22 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 4: Remember with the Bengals, I took Anthony Munnos because there 23 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 4: was really nobody else to take. 24 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so after him, I went with their corner that 25 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 2: just got in Ken John Ken Rileyley just got in. 26 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 2: So he's a fine corner. But yeah, that was a 27 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: fun one. So dig through those those uh those podcasts 28 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: and look that one up. So today though, John Okay, 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four Texans of pretty salty. We're excited about him. 30 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: Are they different? 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: No? 32 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 2: Have they won any games yet? 33 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: No? 34 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 2: But as they're constructed right now in June, who from 35 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: a professional Houston football team who is retired? So no 36 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: current players or no players that work in Houston that 37 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: are ping ponging around the league. A retired Houston professional 38 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 2: football players. So it could be a gambler, it could 39 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 2: be an oiler. It could be a former Texan m 40 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 2: which to former Houston professionals, would you want to add 41 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: to this team? I get to go first. I'm taking 42 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: a roll Campbell busted. 43 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: Oh oh oh wow. Didn't even give me a chance. 44 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: To bring a chance. You gotta and I'm putting you 45 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: on the defensive here. But it's obvious to me. Hey, Joe, Mixon. 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: You're You're a really good back and there are intriguing 47 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 2: things ahead for you. Damian Pierce, same deal. How about you, 48 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: you are, Jordan how about you Daria Gombawale. Yeah, all 49 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 2: of you. You're not getting kicked off the island. You're 50 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 2: merely adding maybe the greatest professional football player in the 51 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: history of Houstons. 52 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 3: Now that's a question question. 53 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, up there with Dream You know, he's remarkable. 54 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: But Earl Campbell makes this twenty twenty four Texans team. 55 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 2: He makes any Texans team for that matter. He makes 56 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: any Oilers team for that matter. Of course, the Gamblers too. 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: But I'm adding Earl Campbell because man CJ gets a 58 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 2: whole lot better with that guy tote in the rock 59 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: catching some screens. People forget. Dan Pastried told the story 60 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 2: on the radio, and I'm sure he's told in a 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: bunch of times. It's because it's one of the story 62 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: of the stories that needs to be told a bunch 63 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: of times. First, one of the first plays that Earl 64 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: Campbell ever had. It was at Atlanta and he takes 65 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: a pass and what goes eighty yards for a touchdown. Yep, 66 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: it's pretty cool. It's on YouTube. Check that out. But 67 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: give me Earl Campbell in this offense. Give me Earl 68 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: Campbell in any offense, but especially in this offense. I 69 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: kind of think Bobby Slowick in the balls could draw 70 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: some good plays up that would feature Earl Campbell and 71 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: you could run him thirty times a game if you want. 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: She don't need to in this offense. John yep Man, 73 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: what he would add that, what he would bring, the dimensions, 74 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: the layers upon layers upon layers. Earl Campbell would look 75 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 2: pretty darn nice with CJ and Stefan and Tan and 76 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: Nico and Dalton in the rest. I'm leaving guys out. 77 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: What do you think you like that? 78 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 3: Now? 79 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: I do? 80 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: I think that Earl Campbell would probably face something similar 81 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 4: to what Damian Pierce did last year, having to learn 82 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 4: how to run in his. 83 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 3: Zon zone scheme. 84 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 2: I want to handle it. 85 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 4: I think Earl campb will be okay. So, and obviously 86 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 4: we're talking about different eras. You know, zone blocking really 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 4: wasn't really. I remember it was my senior in high school. 88 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 4: I was nineteen eighty nine, and I remember our coaches 89 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 4: installing zone blocking. I thought at that point I'd moved 90 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 4: the receiver and I was like, man, thank god, I 91 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 4: don't understand the zone block and stuff. 92 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 3: But we started running that zone stuff and I was 93 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: like whoa. 94 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 4: And we just basically took our plays that we ran 95 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 4: and we just incorporated zone blocking in it. And so 96 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 4: it wasn't a part of football when when Earl was playing. 97 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: And that's going to make the decision for my first player. 98 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 4: I don't want to say surprising, but it's a specific 99 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 4: fit and he's. 100 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: A friend of ours. 101 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 4: But I agree with the Earl Campbell, I mean Earl Campbell, 102 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 4: Joe Mixon, my goodness, good good luck. 103 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,360 Speaker 2: And when you're when you're that excellent at something, you're 104 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: going to be able to adapt and the coaches are 105 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: going to be able to adapt some things for you 106 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: to make you flourish. And these guys I were able 107 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: to do that. So absolutely our friend. 108 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 3: So here we go. It's a friend of ours. If 109 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 3: I were to ask you, just point blank drew. 110 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 2: A friend of ours, a friend of ours. 111 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: Like, biggest gap or biggest hole that this team has 112 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 4: offensive just right off the bat, what is it? 113 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: Biggest hole offensively? 114 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: The biggest question mark that we're just unsure. 115 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: About, maybe left guard. 116 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: That's exactly right, and that's why I am going with 117 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 4: our buddy Wade Smith for a number of reasons. Number one, Now, 118 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 4: again there are changes by eras throughout eras. 119 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: And how you do things. This offense is very similar. 120 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 4: But one of the things that you cannot do that 121 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 4: you used to be able to do, and actually Wade 122 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 4: was very very good at this, was to cut guys 123 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 4: on the backside. He was so agile and so good 124 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 4: that he could just chop guys down in the back 125 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: end and that allowed Arian Foster a lot of cut 126 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 4: up runs back behind his center, back behind Wade. When 127 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 4: runs that would go right, they would come back left 128 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 4: behind what Wade was doing. 129 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: But there's so much to Wade. 130 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 4: He's very good in his own scheme. I think Wade 131 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 4: is one heck of a leader. I think he'd have 132 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 4: the absolute right demean to help Ju Scruggs next to 133 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 4: him to be able to work with Laramie Tunsel. I 134 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 4: think Wade Smith would fit his own scheme. I think 135 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 4: he would fit this locker room. 136 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 3: I would go with Wade Smith all day every day. 137 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 4: He jumps right in at the left guard where he 138 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 4: was very comfortable, where he turned into a pro bowler 139 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 4: became a pro bowler while he was here. 140 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: With the Texans. 141 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:21,800 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, a little bit undersized, but he never 142 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 4: you wouldn't watch a game and go, oh, he's getting 143 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 4: his butt kicked because he's too small. I mean, Wade 144 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 4: never got his butt kicked. And he would tell you 145 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 4: he wasn't as heavy as some other guys. But that 146 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: dude had great technique. He was quick and agile. 147 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: He was a. 148 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 4: Tremendous athlete, and he was a leader in the locker 149 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: room without being this, you know how, my chest sort 150 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: of guy. He was just very you know, he was 151 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 4: very quick to pull guys aside and tell him this 152 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: is the way we do it. And I just would 153 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 4: would I would love his demeanor on this offensive line 154 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 4: and on this offense in general. 155 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 3: I just I think they're are a lot of guys. 156 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 3: You know, we've seen him. 157 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 4: They've they've got some fire, and Wade's got fired, but 158 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 4: he just has it and channels it in a little 159 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 4: bit different way. So I'm going with Wade Smith right 160 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 4: off the bat. So we've added Earl Campbell and Wade 161 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 4: Smith to this offense. 162 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: So my gosh, look out. 163 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 2: Yes, smart guy Wade Smith, who had been around the block, 164 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: had some experience like you talk about that that fire 165 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: originally a tight end in high school. Yeah, exactly Memphis. 166 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: They moved him, moved him to tackle, and then he 167 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 2: moved further inside. Once he got to the NFL. He 168 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: played and started games at tackle well before he got here. 169 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: Good choice there, Now, since I was a big jerk 170 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 2: and took Earl Campbell right off the bat, you didn't 171 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: let you have a say we'll do We'll do snake 172 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: in this one, so you can go again. 173 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 3: Oh, I get to go. 174 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've added Earl Campbell, We've had a running back, 175 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: we've added an offensive lineman. We can stay on offense. 176 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: But you're only getting to add two total. So you 177 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 2: can keep going offense if you like. But who else 178 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 2: professional football player from the city or played for a 179 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 2: City of Fuston team, who would you add to this 180 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: current twenty four squad? 181 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 4: Well, I feel like there's an obvious answer, and I 182 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 4: don't know if I'm gonna. 183 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 2: I obvious matches with my obvious Well, I'm gonna take 184 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 2: ninety nine. Okay, that wasn't the obvious one that I had, 185 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: but that is. Yeah, that's that could always be a 186 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 2: good one. 187 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 4: And I don't even there's a part of me that 188 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 4: doesn't want to doesn't want to say it because maybe 189 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 4: he doesn't stay retired. 190 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 3: I don't know. 191 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I don't want to kick over that that uh, 192 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 4: that fire ant mound again. Uh, like it got kicked 193 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 4: over back in February and March when everybody's like, oh, 194 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 4: he's coming back, and then the Miko's got to answer 195 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,319 Speaker 4: questions and JJ's podcast answered questions and you know, it's 196 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 4: stirs everything up. 197 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 3: I don't know that I really truly want to do that. 198 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: But my my thought process is one like this, when 199 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 3: you said. 200 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: Go ahead, you're best player, yeah one. 201 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, my first thought was, Okay, I'm not totally 202 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 4: sure just yet what this defensive interior on a three 203 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 4: down basis is going to look like. 204 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 3: And I say that, but I think that. 205 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 4: Fatukasi and Settle are going to be better than people think. 206 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 4: That's that's that's my assessment. But I feel like if 207 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 4: you were to put JJ in that group and just 208 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 4: let him play the three technique and let him play 209 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 4: in this defense where he can just penetrate and get 210 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 4: up feel that's what he did anyways when he was 211 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 4: playing inside now, I know there were times JJ was like, 212 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 4: I don't I don't really want to play inside. And 213 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: I didn't blame him because there were, you know, two 214 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 4: two and a half blockers responsible for him on almost 215 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 4: every play, and that's a that's a pain physically and 216 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 4: mentally to kind of deal with all the time. And 217 00:10:58,040 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: so he wanted to be on the outside where he 218 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 4: could use us his as you call his jungle cat 219 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 4: skills to get one on one against pastra, to get 220 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 4: against offensive tackles or even tight ends in some cases. 221 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 4: And so I know he didn't want to play in 222 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 4: there permanently, But I think in his defense, you know, 223 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 4: even with Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson, you know those 224 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,839 Speaker 4: two guys actually can go bounce inside if you need 225 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 4: him to. 226 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 3: There are a lot of. 227 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 4: Different combinations that you could you could throw. But imagine 228 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 4: a pass rush that's got Daniel Hunter and Will Anderson 229 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 4: the outside and Deniko Autry and JJ Watt on the inside. 230 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,479 Speaker 3: I mean, in all honesty. 231 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 4: Those are all four guys that you would say, if 232 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 4: they were on four separate teams, who are you going 233 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 4: to double this week? Well, we're gonna double Will. No, 234 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 4: we're gonna double Daniel. No, we're gonna double Watt and 235 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 4: we're gonna double Autrey. You know, those would be guys 236 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: that you'd want to double or chip on. If they're outside, 237 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 4: you might, as the Patriots did against JJ, you would 238 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 4: send your running back not to the outside to help 239 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 4: with your tackles, but wherever JJ is, that running back 240 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 4: is gonna go. Hell oh, well, if you do that 241 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 4: against this pass rush, all of a sudden, there's Daniko 242 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 4: one on one against the guard, which he can win 243 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 4: with quickness, hands, strength, and then you've got your two 244 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 4: edge guys that can win. So I'm not totally sure 245 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 4: that I want JJ every single play playing inside, but 246 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 4: I do feel like having him. 247 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: Give me the opportunity. 248 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 4: If I get thirty plays out of JJ in a 249 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 4: game and he's getting some inside you know, he plays 250 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 4: across from Settle on some plays, he plays across from 251 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 4: Fatsukasi and others. You know, maybe there's an opportunity for 252 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 4: he and Khlid Davis to be out there together together 253 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 4: with the guys you have on the outside. 254 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 3: There's a lot of different things you can. 255 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 4: Do with JJ because of that flexibility and that versatility. 256 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 3: Is funny because versatility. 257 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 4: Kind of became this word in the mid twenty tens 258 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 4: that people hated hearing because it oftentimes got stamped on 259 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 4: the guys that would line up at different positions but 260 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 4: weren't very good at any of them. Well, JJ lined 261 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 4: up at every position on the defensive line. He was 262 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 4: dominating all of them. And so I'm gonna go. 263 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: With all pro in what twelve and fourteen? Yeah, we 264 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: see all pro two different positions. 265 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's incredible. So I'm gonna go 266 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 3: with I'm gonna go ninety nine. 267 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 4: And the scary thing in some sense is that maybe 268 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 4: it happens. I mean, I'll put it in about about 269 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 4: a three percent chance, I guess, but I don't know. 270 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 4: I was watching JJ's soccer highlights the other day, Drew, 271 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:32,359 Speaker 4: and he was playing in some TST seven on seven tournament. 272 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 3: And it was kind of comical. But yet JJ was 273 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: the best athlete on the field. He looked amazing. 274 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 4: I mean the things he was doing in soccer, diving headers, 275 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 4: I mean, he just incredible. 276 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:46,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 277 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: So you know, if if he decides to come back 278 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 4: at some point and all those guys are healthy, what 279 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 4: I just outlined those four pass rushers being on the 280 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 4: field would be like a be a dream for Texans 281 00:13:58,520 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: fans and some perspects. 282 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: All right, you finish it up, but your final one. 283 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,199 Speaker 2: One last thought on JJ there. You know, I did 284 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 2: the Deer Drew videos for a few years there from 285 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: fourteen to nineteen ish twenty ish, and a lot of 286 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: times it could be a question, Hey do you think 287 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: JJ could catch another touchdown pass this season? Hey do 288 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 2: you think JJ will break this sack record this season? 289 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: Hey do you think is going to win Defensive Player 290 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 2: of the Year. Hey do you think JJ's going to 291 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: come back from injury this year? Really didn't really, it 292 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 2: didn't matter what the question was. But it got to 293 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 2: a point where I was like, I'm not going to 294 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 2: bet against that guy, right right exactly doing anything. Yeah, 295 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: I think I think anything's possible with him. It's a 296 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 2: great point that goes here now for people who are watching, 297 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: and then their ears might have gone up. When you 298 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: made your first selection and you went with Wade Smith, 299 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 2: and they said, well, if you're gonna go with Wade Smith, 300 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: why don't you just go with Bruce Matthews. The guy 301 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: was a pro bowler at all five. I'll come you know, 302 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: he's one of the he's in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, 303 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: I understand what you're You went kind of line specific 304 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: with this squad, right, that's exactly right, Matthews. 305 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 3: That's why I did it. 306 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, it's tough to pass him up because we 307 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: saw injuries over the offense last year, and hey, you 308 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: want to have him in the mix because you could 309 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 2: shuffle him around. He would start on this on this team, 310 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: he'd start over anybody on this team, that's correct, and 311 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 2: you can move him there. So it's really it's hard 312 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: for me to pass him up yet. Yeah, we haven't 313 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: picked anybody in the secondary. And there's a Pro Football 314 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 2: Famer who in fourteen years he had sixty takeaways, had 315 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 2: twenty one fumble recoveries in his career. He had forty 316 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 2: nine interceptions in his career and nine forty nine he 317 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 2: took to the house for a touchdown. He also took 318 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: back a fumble recovery for a score, so he scored 319 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 2: ten touchdowns on defense. And he also he returned to 320 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: punt for a score in nineteen seventy four. We're talking 321 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 2: about Ken Houston now different times, yes, but simply for 322 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 2: his impact and who he was, his playmaking ability. I 323 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: gotta put him back there. And no, we're not shoving anybody. 324 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: No Jimmy Ward is getting nobody's getting cut, but he's 325 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 2: there in the mix with those guys. I'm going to 326 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: add a Pro Football Hall of Famer to the back 327 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: end of the defense. You had a Pro Football Hall 328 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: of Famer to the front end. JJ's going in, can't 329 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 2: and whenever it's all over, had one guy at the 330 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: very back. He played for the Oilers in the sixties 331 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: and early seventies and then played on a very fine 332 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: Washington squad for a good chunk of the nineteen seventies. 333 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 2: So gimme Ken Houston. And when I started here with 334 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 2: the Texans in two thousand and nine, I saw Ken 335 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: Houston around the team quite a bit. It was a 336 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: Texans ambassador. Now it's called the Texans Legends Program, and 337 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: that's an NFL wide thing everyone in the NFL. It's 338 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: mandated by league. If you played for a team, you 339 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: are there. You are a legend for that team. If 340 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 2: you played in one game, you played in one stap 341 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: for a game, or if you're like JJ Watt and 342 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: you're one of the best in franchise, doesn't matter, you're 343 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: a legend for that team. So he was in that 344 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: ambassador program, which kind of is the precursor of the 345 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 2: Legends program that we have now. Saw him at a 346 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: lot of community events, saw him here at games, interacted 347 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 2: with him. He's a fascinating dude. He's one of the 348 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 2: best to do it. He did it a long time ago. 349 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 2: So the further you get away from some guy's playing career, 350 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 2: the lesson the younger generation knows about him. But this guy, 351 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: think about it. Sixty takeaways in his career, forty nine interceptions. 352 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: Who's the all time leader in interceptions for the Texans. 353 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 2: Think about that? 354 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 3: Ooh, Jonathan Joseph. 355 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, the number is he didn't even get to twenty. 356 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 2: That's how Think about how great Jonathan Joseph was for 357 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 2: a decade. He hit forty nine in his career. Now, 358 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 2: JJO had some picks with the Bengals, thirty all time, 359 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: but still he's basically got twenty more than you know, 360 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 2: your next best there. 361 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 3: So I gave JJO. I gave Jjo some consideration. 362 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 2: I absolutely gave him. It came down to Earl ken Houston. 363 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: Those are my two choices. But I also thought Bruce 364 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,199 Speaker 2: Matthews and j Jo were my other and also if 365 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: you were going to take them, I was gonna go, Okay, 366 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: maybe how about Chris Dishman, for he was pretty good. 367 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 4: So yeah, here's here's why I stopped with with go 368 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 4: with j Jo and went with JJ instead. And I'm 369 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 4: not listen, I'm not basing everything on OTA's or Mini Camp. 370 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 3: I felt this way about him. 371 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I had a like an early forties grade 372 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 4: on Kamara Lasser, and I really liked him as a player. 373 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,719 Speaker 4: I loved him into last year. I thought he had 374 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 4: a good year this year. I actually thought twenty twenty 375 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 4: two was probably maybe a little bit better. To be honest, 376 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 4: I thought he was a really good player. But in 377 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 4: OTA's in Mini Camp, it feels like watching Kamari Lasser, 378 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 4: We're watching boy, this is this is the next, this 379 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 4: is the next star, like he is really really good. 380 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 4: Now he's gonna get his come up. It's because teams 381 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 4: are not gonna want to throw at Derek Stanley. But 382 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 4: I felt like with the rise of Lasser, okay, I 383 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 4: think maybe there's more help needed up front, especially in 384 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 4: the interior. Then maybe in the secondary, especially if Kamari 385 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 4: is ready to take that step. And look, we haven't 386 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 4: seen Jeff Acuda CJ Henderson in full in preseason games 387 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 4: to be able to see what those guys are gonna 388 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 4: be able to do. But I walked out of OTA's 389 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 4: in mini camp feeling a little bit better about what 390 00:19:31,359 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 4: the secondary makeup is and how they might move some 391 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 4: guys around. And I feel like over the three weeks 392 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,600 Speaker 4: of practice that we were able to see that Lasser 393 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 4: might have been the most yeah, I say improved, but 394 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 4: the most impressive player that we saw. So my question 395 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 4: to you is, because Ken Houston played them all, what 396 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 4: position are you gonna play? You can play him at safety, 397 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 4: You're gonna now, back in the seventies, you didn't have 398 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 4: a nickel, you didn't play nickel for the most. 399 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: Part, was listed as a strong safety. Feel get his status. Yeah, 400 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 2: I think he was probably good enough to play both 401 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 2: safety spots if you needed him to. 402 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe play corner. I mean I think corner he 403 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 4: could possibly play. 404 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: I probably play Ken Houston back though, you know, have 405 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: him Yeah as a safety, you. 406 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: Know, I think that's exactly right. 407 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: His his smarts, his range and ball making ball skills, 408 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 4: I mean playmaking skills. I mean, those are the things 409 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 4: you all you wanted that back in, whether you're playing 410 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 4: you know, middle, you're playing too high, you're playing single 411 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 4: high middlefield, closed or open. I think he's that kind 412 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: of guy that's gonna be able to make plays plus 413 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 4: your safety. In the seventies, essentially you were a bad mother. 414 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 4: You know what, you would hit you physical, and Ken 415 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 4: Houston was all of that. He was never never afraid 416 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 4: to mix it up. So I think we walked out 417 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 4: of there with some good ones. 418 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: Now. 419 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 4: I know there will be people going, Okay, you mentioned 420 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 4: a couple of them that you had. 421 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 3: There will be a few people. 422 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 4: Going, hey, hey, hey, the first Hall of Famer in 423 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 4: Texans history is Andre Johnson. Yeah, I mean, I know 424 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 4: people are gonna ask that, But I mean we might 425 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 4: have the strongest wide receiver core in the league right now, 426 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 4: So let's try and fill maybe some other you know, 427 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 4: gaps on the squad. 428 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: But I know that would that. 429 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 4: Would possibly come up even at receiver, you know, the 430 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: one that I thought about and I had a brief 431 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 4: brief thought because I heard his name a few times 432 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 4: last week on a podcast. But then we already have 433 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 4: kind of a flyer and tank tail but I thought. 434 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 3: About will Fuller, a healthy will Fuller. 435 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 4: Just because he could take the top off at any 436 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 4: point of a game, and even if you planned for it, 437 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 4: you still weren't fast enough or good enough in the 438 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 4: back end to take away those deep shots. 439 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: So I gave will Fuller some consideration. 440 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 4: But with only two guys that we were adding, I 441 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 4: was like, no, I can't, I can't do that. 442 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 2: If you're gonna consider will Fully, you got to consider 443 00:21:55,760 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 2: Drew Hill heyway, yes, and Evans just those guys really 444 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: and Ken Burrow were they. 445 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, no doubt, No, there's no doubt. There's 446 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 3: there's so many. 447 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 4: Receivers that you know, from the city of Houston over 448 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 4: the years. You know, I mean, obviously DeAndre Hawkins is 449 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 4: still playing Andre Johnson, you know with the Texans. Those 450 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 4: are the guys that you know mark their careers and 451 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 4: hopefully Tank and Nico are on their way, and you know, 452 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 4: who knows what happens with Steph. You know, maybe those 453 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 4: guys make their mark with with the Texans as well. 454 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 3: As those guys did. 455 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 4: But man, there have been some receivers that have come 456 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 4: through this town, that's for sure, no doubt. 457 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: Well, hey man, it's good talking with you. It's Texans 458 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: a lot better. We just added free Hall of famers 459 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 2: and a Pro Bowl athletic lineman to the Knicks, and 460 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: the defense has some more teeth. So yeah, it was 461 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 2: a good time. John, going to be with you, my friend. 462 00:22:52,400 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: We'll see again. What do