1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: M Hey, everybody, Chuck here, I saw a UFO last night. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Actually that's not true, but it would be a great 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: story if I were setting up this episode from March one, twelve, 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:19,640 Speaker 1: How SETI works Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence. Welcome to Stuff 5 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: You Should Know, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey, 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me 7 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: as always as Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and this is 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: Stuff you should Know the podcast. Don't get it confused. 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: What is that? What was that? That was my instation? 10 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: That was burgess, Meredith. Okay, thank you, that's pretty good. Thanks. 11 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 1: It's a good Burgess Meredith. Chuck, you're in the mood 12 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 1: for alien talk. Sure, this is the second time we've 13 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: done something like this. Almost a year later, right at it? 14 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: We did? Uh how UFOs work live in Austin, Yeah, 15 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: last March. So yeah, I guess once a year we 16 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: do aliens aliens? Yea um. But hey, before we get started, 17 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: may I take a second. Yeah, I want to just 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: say special high to my wife Umi, right, who made 19 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: me the happiest guy in February. Yeah, I could just 20 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: call her on February when we got married. Indeed, Yeah, 21 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: any dats Are you just gonna no, that's all all right. 22 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 1: I was just wanting ever, I wanted to share my 23 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: happiness with everybody out there. Very well done, thank you 24 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: very much. Hey Umi, So let's get back to aliens. Okay, yes, okay. 25 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: So we are doing this in honor of Are We Alone? 26 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: Month on Science Channel? Right, So the month of March 27 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: is are We Alone? Month? And Science Channel Every Tuesday, 28 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: I believe at Tan is having a premiere of, um 29 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: some new show that has something to do with the 30 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: search for extraterrestrial life. Yeah, it's gonna be very cool. 31 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 1: And I mean there's some like all shows are gonna 32 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: be awesome, but there's some that are clearly going to 33 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: be really awesome, like Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman. 34 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: I mean that in the context of an are We Alone? Month? Yeah, 35 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: it's big news. Also, um uh the Alien Encounters with 36 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: Nick Sagan got to be related to Carl Carl Pilkington, 37 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: yes uh. And then if you're in the mood for 38 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: a contest, what would a month be without one? There 39 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: is a set live contest where the prize is to 40 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: go visit cet no Way, go to the California to 41 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: the institute. Yes, pretty sweet. Yes, So this is all 42 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: going on on Science Channel all month long. And if 43 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: you want more details watch Science Channel pal yeah, or 44 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: hit him up on Facebook. I bet they have info there. Yeah. 45 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: And in honor of this month is very special month, 46 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: we are doing how study works, which is an acronym 47 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 1: study if you don't know, for to search for extraterrestrial intelligence. Yes, 48 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: and I joked before we did this, are we Alone? 49 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,799 Speaker 1: Month will be followed by yes We're Alone Day sort 50 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: of a joke. But they haven't really found a lot 51 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,799 Speaker 1: of stuff yet. Well, I don't know. Let me let 52 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 1: me give you an example of something. Have you heard 53 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: of the wild signal? Yeah, we talked about this before 54 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: we did when I think it might have been one 55 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: of the webcasts. It definitely rang a bell that had 56 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: your stank on it. No, we talked about the Yosemite 57 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: Sam signal. I know, but I think we talked about 58 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Okay, well, old webcast, let 59 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: me tell you again. Let me refresh your memory, because 60 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: you clearly don't remember. August fifty seven, a guy who's 61 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: now known as Dr Jerry or Aman e h m 62 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: A N I keep wanting to call him ermine. Yeah 63 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: he uh. He was manning the Big Year Radio telescope 64 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: at Ohio State University UM and was analyzing some data 65 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: from it, and so basically saw, this is what it 66 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: looks like. It's a it's a bunch of numbers and letters. 67 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 1: It looks like the matrix scroll very much. So, yes, Um. 68 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: But what that is is a burst of radio activity 69 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: transmitted on the one four, two oh point four or 70 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: five six mega hurts frequency for seventy two seconds W 71 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:38,840 Speaker 1: A L N right right um. And it was basically 72 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: the closest thing we've ever gotten to hard evidence of 73 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: a radio transmission from an alien civilization. It meant like 74 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: all of the criteria that set he follows, which will 75 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 1: talk about later UM for um radio transmissions from intelligent life. 76 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: Right Um. The problem is is after searching for for 77 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 1: like fifty times, specifically, it's never been found again. And 78 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: the reason it's called the wow Um transmission is because 79 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: Jerry Ahman Um circled it and wrote wow with an 80 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: exclamation point, and that's that's why it's called that. So 81 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: although since that time, nothing else has come up in 82 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: that same area and we haven't had anything even remotely 83 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: close to it. Set still continues, right, Yeah, and CT 84 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 1: is both a a movement and a group of people. 85 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: It's an institute. Yeah, well there's the SETI Institute and 86 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: there's just independent Set Operations. Yeah. I mean you can 87 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: use SET as a would that be an down because 88 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 1: it is a search? Yeah, yeah, you're right, just a 89 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: funky nown right, But let's talk about it, Chuck, let's 90 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,440 Speaker 1: talk about set the challenges that has. Uh. Well, first 91 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: of all, if you've seen the movie Contact I have 92 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: apparently it's not two and accurate from the writer of 93 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: this article who was Freud and Lake, wasn't it, He 94 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 1: said that that movie, if you want to watch that one, 95 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: is fairly accurate and on track. Well, it was based 96 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: on a book written by Carl Sagan and he definitely 97 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: knew his stuff. Yeah, he was like, the Sagan Institute 98 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: is one of the parts of CET Institute, very nice 99 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: or the second Research Center, I think. So go ahead, 100 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: and you're saying, oh, well, so let's talk a little 101 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: bit about the origin of it. Um SET came about 102 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: in a time when there was a large intellectual push 103 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: towards searching for alien life. A lot of very very 104 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 1: smart people suddenly started postulating that there's probably other people 105 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, there's gotta be two guys, um Philip 106 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: Morrison and Giuseppe Cony I wrote wrote a paper in 107 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: Nature and they basically said, look, if we look, we 108 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: may very well not find anything. But if we don't look, 109 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: we're definitely not going to find anything. Point. And that 110 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: came at a time when a guy named Frank Drake, 111 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: an astrophysicist an astronomer, was um trying to start his 112 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: own search, and he eventually founded CET I think in 113 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty founded the ct Institute or just set said 114 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 1: he well, he conducted the first st search. Yeah, Frank 115 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Drake did, and it was based on something called the 116 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: Drake equation, which I find just utterly fascinating and refreshingly 117 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: understandable as far as like theoretical math equations go. Yeah, 118 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: and and is the number of civilizations in the Milky 119 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Way whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable. So in equals are 120 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,559 Speaker 1: times FP times in A, times FL times five times 121 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: FC times L. And then there's the R is the 122 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: rate of formation of ours over the lifetime of the galaxy. 123 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: And that's anywhere from like ten to forty a year. 124 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: Yea stars suitable for development of intelligent life. That narrows 125 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: it down. Um. Then there's the fraction of those stars 126 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: with planets. Then there's the average number of those planets 127 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: that are Earth type, meaning suitable for life as we 128 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: understand it. An, that's about of the fifty of stars 129 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: with planets, but we're starting to whittle down pretty quickly. Um. 130 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: And then there's the fraction of those planets where life 131 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: develops that's estimated at and as much as a dent. 132 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 1: And then there's the fraction of life that develops intelligence. 133 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: So it's not just enough to be in am but 134 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: you have to be an amiba capable of creating a radio. Right. Um, 135 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: that's pretty low as well, um about ten percent um, 136 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: and then another ten percent as the fraction of planets 137 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: where intelligent life develops technologies such as radio. Okay, So 138 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: you've got life and then l intelligent life and then technology, 139 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: and then you have the lifetime of that communicative civilization 140 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: in years. So boom, multiply that on out. You got 141 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: your Drake equation and you have as little as one 142 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: as much as billions, well plus it's it's as little 143 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 1: as one or billions because it you know those are 144 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: it depends on what value put in there, and everyone's 145 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: gonna put in different values, So the Drake equation is 146 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: going to have a wide swath. Yes, it makes sense. Um, 147 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: so you've got this. This is the framework. Then, the 148 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: Drake equation created by Frank Drake, the founder of CT. 149 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: This is the framework that CD conducts its research with. 150 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: Like one of the things they do is try to 151 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: figure out exactly how many stars out there have planets 152 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: with that are suitable for life. Um, to really kind 153 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: of plug in the best possible data into the Drake 154 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: equation and to help them figure out where to look. 155 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 1: Because there's three main challenges for SET that they face 156 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: just as a concept and an organization, and they are, Um, 157 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: you have a really big sky out there, right, you 158 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: have a lot of frequencies that could that. You have 159 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: a lot of radio frequencies, and um, you have a 160 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: limited amount of telescopes, not much equipment. No, Because it's 161 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: very expensively and while CT is funded to a large degree, 162 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,679 Speaker 1: it's not funded to a large degree compared to like 163 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: like when it was part of NASA. I think it's 164 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: only like one percent of their budget. Even still, that 165 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: was like the most money cet He has ever had. 166 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: But they're they're pretty well funded, the SETI Institute is. 167 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: So as far as private funding goes, they're doing okay. Yeah, 168 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: I mean they're nonprofit obviously, so they're not getting rich, 169 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. No, they're they're kind of 170 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: hurting right now. All thought they were doing all right. No, 171 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: the they also received federal funds and that's all but 172 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: dried up right now because of the economic downturn. Yes, said, 173 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: he's the first to go, isn't it all right? So 174 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: you proposed the three problems. Um here a couple of 175 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: approaches for the large sky problem. A lot of area 176 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: out there, so they have two approaches there. The wide 177 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: field search basically casting a wide, non specific net over uh, 178 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: you know, a low resolution over a long period I'm sorry, 179 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: a short period of time over a wide area could 180 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: get you some nibbles if you were fishing, let's say, 181 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: but it's going to be difficult to find out exactly 182 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: like where this stuff is coming from, right, Or a 183 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: targeted search, which is what my money would be on, 184 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: which are limited to sun like stars like they basically 185 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: factor in more of Drake's equation in this one, say, 186 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: let's look at places where we might find uh, you know, 187 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: target these things where we might find E. T. S. UM. 188 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: And they do both of those depending They have various 189 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: projects going on ongoing UM. And some are targeted, some 190 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: are wide field search. UM. So they're kind of covering 191 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: their bases as much as possible. UM. The next challenge 192 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,559 Speaker 1: was you know what frequency to listen for to listen 193 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: to you know, like it's not a radio no, but 194 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: even with a radio, even with like a walkie talkie, 195 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: Like if you've ever used one of those, if you're 196 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 1: not on the right frequency, you are going to miss 197 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: everything that's being told to you. So there's like you said, 198 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 1: it's not a radio dial. It doesn't go from like 199 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: eight eight point five all the way to one or 200 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: seven point five. They're billions from alternative to country exactly. Um, 201 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: there are billions of radio frequencies and they UM, I mean, 202 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: which one are you gonna listen to? You? You can 203 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: listen to them all, but again you're cycling through them. Uh, 204 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: You're not able to spend a lot of time as 205 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: much like the same dilemma with the sky you have 206 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: with the radio. Frequencies plus are full of noise. Yep, 207 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: that's another problem occurring stuff right. Um, But there is 208 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: a window in the radio frequency that's called the water hole, 209 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: which is pretty cool. UM. It's a natural place in 210 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: the radio frequency spectrum. UM. And by the way, radio 211 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: is their light waves. It's a type of light wave UM, 212 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: but they're very specific. They exist on a specific frequency. 213 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: But UM, in this the spectrum, the band, there's this 214 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: thing called the water hole UM, which goes from the 215 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: one to tend giga hurts range and it has very 216 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: little UM natural background noise, like very few things you 217 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: know broadcast on this frequency. And the reason being, UM, 218 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: they these frequencies are caused by hydrogen atoms and hydroxyl ions, 219 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: both of which are constituents of water, which is why 220 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: it's called the water hole. And they suspect that for 221 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,920 Speaker 1: a couple of reasons, alien civilizations would be aware of 222 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: this one, that it's just so profoundly unique in the 223 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 1: radio spectrum that if you had any kind of awareness 224 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: of the radio spectrum, you would stumble upon this, and 225 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: that you would intentionally broadcast in a low noise frequency 226 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: exactly because you want to be heard. Yeah, I mean 227 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: anybody who broadcast on the radio wants to be heard, 228 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: right um. And then the other reason they think that 229 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: alien civilizations would know about it is because water, with 230 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: which it's associated um, is considered a an essential to 231 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: life and therefore universal among intelligent life. It's not geocentric. 232 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: The concept of water is so aliens would be familiar 233 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: with water and would thus be familiar with the water 234 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: hole in the frequency spectrum as well, So that this 235 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: is probably where they're putting most of their research or 236 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: their effort into this waterhole band of frequencies. Yeah, I 237 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: mean they search all over, but pretty much all set 238 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: operation will search the water hole as part of their problem, 239 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: as part of their ops. Then there's magical frequencies to 240 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: like basically, they're saying, like, where on this band of 241 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: billions of frequencies is there some sort of universal pattern. 242 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: And one of the things that they figured out is 243 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: prime numbers might be a good place to look because 244 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: prime numbers are part of math and their universal constant. 245 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: So an advanced civilization might be aware of prime numbers, 246 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: and if they're trying to communicate to another advanced civilization, 247 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: they may be broadcasting on prime number channels. That's a 248 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: magical frequency. I wonder if they've searched pie the Pie station. 249 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: So so far we've got to We've got two of 250 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: the big problems tackled. Yes, generally. The third one is 251 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: the most down to earth problem. Yeah. No, no equipment. Basically, 252 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: these radio telescopes are expensive to build and so there's 253 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: not a whole lot of them. So they said, you know, 254 00:15:56,760 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: there's a few ways we can handle this. We can 255 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: UH conduct limited runs on ones that are already out there, 256 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: basically rent space from other dudes. Uh. We can conduct 257 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: analysis of data are already acquired by other dudes, so like, hey, 258 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: you've been listening in on all these frequencies, let us 259 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: see your data and we'll just work from that. Or 260 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: we can build SETI dedicated radio telescopes, which is clearly 261 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: the least popular because it's so expensive and it's the 262 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: most popular but least feasible. Yeah, and like the UM, 263 00:16:32,720 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: like the projects that they have ongoing for wide target 264 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: search UM or wide field search or targeted search. They 265 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: have different projects dedicated different types of radio use, like 266 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: UM Project Phoenix. UH rents time at some of the 267 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: better radio telescopes around the world, Australia, Aricibo, Yeah, in 268 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, U. The one in West Virginia, Green Bank, 269 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: West Virginia has a huge radio telescope. But that's where 270 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: the first city conference was held over teen sixty, I believe. Yeah. Um. 271 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: And then there's the serendip project, which piggybacks cracks me 272 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: up for some reason. Why serendip I don't know, just 273 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: because it's short for serendipity. It sounds like your friend 274 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: Adam that shortens everything, like he would say, yeah, we 275 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: met up. It was a bit of serendip Yeah, he 276 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: would say that, total serendip um. Yeah. So they piggyback 277 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: by basically saying like hey, like you said, let me 278 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: see your dad, and once you're done with it, we 279 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: want to go over it too. Yeah. It's like, hey man, 280 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: it's like the hippie rob version of Astronomy Boy. He 281 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 1: had made an appearance in a while, he just did. 282 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: I didn't expect him to pop up in set if 283 00:17:45,280 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: he didn't pop up in Magic Mushrooms, you know. Uh 284 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,440 Speaker 1: So Project serendip like you said, it takes um, takes 285 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: advantage of a lot of telescope time, but they don't 286 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: have the control to say, hey, pointed over there, So 287 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: they have a lot of hours, but they're just basically 288 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: that's the wide search being cast. And then you said, 289 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,360 Speaker 1: like the most desirable one was having their own telescope. Well, yeah, 290 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: that'd be great, staid he figured out something. Rather than 291 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: making a huge or paying for a huge radio telescope. Um, 292 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: they figured out that they can take a bunch of 293 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: backyard satellite dishes, which I'm sure are really easy to 294 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: come by these days. Um, you know the kind like 295 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: from the eighties. Oh yeah, put a bunch of those together. 296 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: They're like eight eat wide right. Yeah, you put a 297 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: bunch of those together and connect their signals using a 298 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: process called interferometry. Nice, thank you dude, well done. First 299 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: try and uh, you can basically simulate a huge, large 300 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 1: telescope for a fraction of the cost. Yeah, it's like 301 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: linking a network of computers, which, um is actually something 302 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 1: also being done. We might as well get into that 303 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: the cet at symbol at home project and uh, that's 304 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: actually the SETI Institute, isn't it. Yeah, So they decided 305 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: that hey, instead of building a couple of supercomputers to 306 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: analyze this data, because that's one of the big problems 307 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: is there's so much data. It's not like you can 308 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: just plug it into your laptop. But you can plug 309 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: a tiny chunk into a laptop and network a bunch 310 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,640 Speaker 1: of laptops together to do the power of the supercomputers. 311 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: And that is what they've done, and you can participate. Yeah, 312 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:55,960 Speaker 1: it's pretty ingenious UM. And there's there's other things that 313 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: I think Seti at home started it and now there's 314 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: things like folding at home really to UM simulate protein 315 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 1: folding for cancer research. Same thing UM. And I'm sure 316 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: there's other ones that I didn't get a chance to look, 317 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: but Setty at home started it. Where you it's a 318 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: screen saver UM, but it's also a program and while 319 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: it's running, it's it downloads a chunk of UM data 320 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: from the air CBO radio telescope and that's like your 321 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: little assignment And it's like a hundred second chunk maybe 322 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: something like that. It doesn't seem like much, but it 323 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: takes like ten to twenty hours for the normal UM 324 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 1: computer to process it. But like you said, if it's 325 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 1: if you have thousands of computers doing this, you have 326 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: a thousand times the processing power. All of a sudden 327 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: for free. Pretty cool. Uh, And while your computers analyzing it, 328 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: it's making notes of all this stuff using studies algorithms, 329 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 1: and then it uploads the results to set and then 330 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: downloads another chunk for an analysis. And dude, I bet 331 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: this is a very popular thing to do for stargazers, 332 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: for stargazing nerds of the world. There's a guy I remember, 333 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: um who was in Arizona I think, and he uh 334 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: was fired from his job as like the i T 335 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: head for the Department of Education in this one community. Um, 336 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: because he he booted, said he at home onto all 337 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: the computers without asking. But I mean it's not a 338 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: big deal. It doesn't take that much processing power and 339 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: it just kind of runs in the background. Um. Well, 340 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: he was made a mockery of by the local news 341 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: like that he was fired because of his search for aliens. 342 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: Yeah it was pretty bad. But yeah, some poor guy 343 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: got fired for that. Said he at home got him fired. 344 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,640 Speaker 1: I bet he got a job with STI or something, though, 345 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 1: I'm I don't bet that, you don't think so they 346 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: just said sorry thanks anyway pretty much. Um, well, you 347 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: talked about building your own and the alien telescope array. 348 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry the Allen Telescope Array. Yeah. I kept taking 349 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: it like that until I found out it's named after 350 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: Paul Allen, the co founder of Microsoft, who donated all 351 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: of the money for it. Well, that is still underway. UM. 352 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: As far as its construction, I think they they were 353 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 1: down for a little while because of a lack of funding, 354 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: and it's a twenty six million dollar deal. But I 355 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,159 Speaker 1: think as of two thousand eleven they were up and 356 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: running again and part of it is complete to the 357 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: extent I think where they can use it for for 358 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: things right, But they're still not finished with them. No, 359 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: they're not. They have enough money to construct it, but 360 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 1: they didn't have enough money to run it, so they 361 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: have like a skeleton crew on it right now. But 362 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: it is operational. I think it is UM. They're hoping 363 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: that they're they're going to be able to fund it 364 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: by UM releasing some time on it to the Air 365 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: Force who was interested in using it. They should try 366 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: a bake sale. I don't know, you know, you know, 367 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: it'll be a great day when schools have all the 368 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: funding they need and the Air Force has to hold 369 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: a bake sale to buy a stealth bomber. That'll be 370 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: the day, somebody should put that on like a bump 371 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: or stick or something that's we could shorten it. But yeah, agreed, Uh, 372 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: should we mention the Fermi paradox? Yes, as good a 373 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: time as any. I mean. One of the things that 374 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: happens to set is that they're constantly pummeled by critics 375 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: and a lot of them cite the Fermi paradox too. Well, 376 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: here's what SETI Institute says, because I dug into their 377 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: f a Q a little bit on one of the 378 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: questions is why do we think that there might be 379 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: life out there? Quote? And SETI said, you should keep 380 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: in mind that we are one planet around a very 381 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: ordinary star, and they're roughly four hundred billion other stars 382 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: and nearly one billion other galaxies, and they think it 383 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: would be extraordinary if we were the only thinking beings 384 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: in all these enormous realms. Faremi Enrico Faremi said that, Uh, 385 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: if it takes life billions of years to develop intelligence 386 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: and signal or travel to the stars, and there are 387 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: billions of the worlds in the universe, and the universe 388 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: is thirteen billion years old plus, then why haven't we 389 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 1: been visited yet? Yeah, when you look at it, like 390 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: that the odds are makes sense. They just increase exponentially. 391 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: It's kind of like a perverted version of the Drake 392 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: equation used to disprove the existence of life, the anti drake. Yeah, interesting, 393 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:56,040 Speaker 1: anti Drake. So what happens if we get a signal? 394 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: What happens if they're sitting around one day and they 395 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: your phone home come over the radio waves. Well, they 396 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: have a a strict set of protocols that start with, 397 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, the first person who finds it, to the 398 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: um the you know who gets told first, what what 399 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: agencies learn of it? And um, it's pretty cool. Apparently 400 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: contact follows the course of it pretty pretty um accurately. Yeah. 401 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: But so it signals detected, right, And the first thing 402 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,400 Speaker 1: they do is they move the radio telescope away from 403 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: the signal, and then they move it back. I bet 404 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: that's nerve wracking. I'll bet too, because you probably just 405 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: want to stay locked on it, you know, right, you're 406 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: gonna lose your signal. But you can't do that because 407 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: you gotta prove that's genuinely coming from there, right. Um, 408 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: So if you move it and then move it back 409 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,320 Speaker 1: and the signal wanes and then comes back, you know 410 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: that you have an extraterrestrial signal. Right, that's a big one. 411 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 1: The next step then is to figure out whether you're 412 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: getting it from like a satellite or from elsewhere on Earth. 413 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: Right after that, you're starting to shake, your palms are 414 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: sweaty um, and you start to rule out extraterrestrial sources 415 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: like pulsars, quasars, other things that broadcast radio frequencies. By 416 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: this time you may have tinkled a little bit in 417 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: your pants, um, and you are on the phone with 418 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: another radio telescope, hopefully one on another continent, saying, hey, 419 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: can you go check these coordinates and see if you're 420 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 1: getting this frequency? Point your little machine that way, what 421 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: do you see or here? And if they come back 422 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: and say yep, you say, well, it's time to announce 423 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: it to the world. Now I gotta get out my book. 424 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: The SETI Institute, the Declaration of Principles concerning Activities following 425 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: the Detection of Extraterrestrial Intelligence and SETI Institute says, no 426 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: one's keeping anything a secret. No, they wanted disseminated quickly 427 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: and widely, but they want you to follow the proper 428 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: channels first and all the astronomical community gets first DIBs 429 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: on learning of it. Then after that you go to 430 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: the u N. Oh, yeah, the u N a lot 431 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: of other international bodies, and you say, hey, guys, we 432 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: have confirmed extraterrestrial contact and um they say awesome, and 433 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: the astronomer goes along and says, okay, we're moving on 434 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: in the next people. Eventually you get to the public 435 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 1: and the person who discovered it UM is meant to 436 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: have the honor of announcing it to the world, according 437 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: to the protocols. Jodie Foster uh and CETI is on record, 438 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: by the way, the SETI Institute is saying that they 439 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: don't think that there are aliens that we've been hiding 440 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,719 Speaker 1: in Roswell, New Mexico. They said that, you know, the 441 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: presence that would be like the biggest discovery in the 442 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: history of science and a you wouldn't want to keep 443 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: it a secret and be there would be thousands and 444 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: thousands of people working on it, and they said it 445 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: would just be impossible. So they're not, you know, they're 446 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: not these crackpots that think, oh, we've got aliens hidden 447 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: away working on a farm in the desert of New 448 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: Mexico harvesting on water farms. That's where we got our 449 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: microwaves from exactly. Uh. And I also looked at their 450 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: f a Q under the are we sending signals? Because 451 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: I thought that was kind of interesting because obviously close 452 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: encounters they sent messages out and they said they are 453 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: completely passive experiment. They're only looking, they are not sending. However, 454 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 1: we have been sending signals ah, unintentionally for fifty years 455 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: or more. Yes, it's the thirties, since we started broadcasting 456 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: on the radio. Yeah, in television. Uh, this is the 457 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,440 Speaker 1: early TV broadcast reached out about to about one thousand 458 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 1: nearby stars and uh. But they said it's very unlikely 459 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: that any any alien civilization could have picked up on that. 460 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: But we are inadvertently broadcasting probably in the water hole too, 461 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 1: I would think. And the other reason we don't send 462 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: out signals is because if the nearest civilization they said, 463 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: is a hundred light years away, it would be two 464 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 1: hundred years to get a reply, and it's just not 465 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: a very good way to spend your time. Well. Plus 466 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: also it's in the protocols that UM we decide through 467 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: like the u N and other international bodies, whether or 468 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: not to respond to a signal. That's like one of 469 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 1: the last steps. Well, they said that we've sent UM 470 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: symbolic messages before, like, hey, here's what our solar system 471 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: is like, here the compounds important for life. Here's the 472 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: structure of our DNA in the form of a human. 473 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: They say it's symbolic, but I think they're like, oh, 474 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: you never know, you know, so they're liars. Then when 475 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: they say they're passive, well, they are passive. They have 476 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: done that in the past. They said it was like 477 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: the seventies. They're passive as far as astronomy goes, active 478 00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: as far as lying on their f a Q go. 479 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: Now they they I think it was Sniking seventy four 480 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: was the last time they sent out a message. There 481 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: was what the Viking or some I can't remember, the 482 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: spaceship we sent into orbit or into outer space that 483 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: had like UM gold records containing all sorts of information 484 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: like the world's great information and knowledge on them. Oh yeah, 485 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 1: do you remember that sort of Viking? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 486 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: I think it's let's probably get that wrong though. So 487 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: what's in the future for CET right now? Uh, well, 488 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: the future with the programs like SETI at home could 489 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: uh get more people active and that they're interested in 490 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: their home. The future could be good there. They said 491 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: they might be UM sending are looking for light at 492 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 1: some point because it may not come via radio, it 493 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: may come via light. Uh you know, you never know. Yeah. 494 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: Frank Drake is all about that one now. He says 495 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: that this is like the hot new field for study 496 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: is optical UM astronomy, and of course finishing up things 497 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: like the Allen telescope array is important. And then they're 498 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: city at home. I mean, if you want to go 499 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: do that, it's pretty easy to go download UM folding 500 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 1: at home. I've never had steady at home. You did folding, 501 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: uh huh cool? Uh? And then my computer crash and 502 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: I was just like, maybe that crashed it. I don't know. 503 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: Maybe I could tell the difference when it was processing 504 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,760 Speaker 1: UM and that's steady. So if this kind of piqued 505 00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: your interest, there's plenty more information out there. UM. You 506 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: can also check out sets stuff on Science Channel UM 507 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: during are We Alone Month in March, premiers come on 508 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: I think Tuesdays at ten starting March six, every Tuesday. Yep, 509 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: like Moonlighting, UM was it was that on Tuesday? I 510 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: think so I seem to remember being drawn to the 511 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: television on Tuesdays. I think it was Moonlighting and eighteen 512 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: nice Or was it Moonlighting and love Boat? Now it 513 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: was love Boat Fantasy Island. Yeah, yeah, those two were 514 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: definitely together. Let's see recap. Everyone else is at the beginning, 515 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: I'm married? Do you mean and I are married? Um? 516 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: And I guess that's it. If you want to read set, 517 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: you can type that word into the search bar how 518 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: stuffwork dot com s E T I and that will 519 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: bring up this very nice article including cool graphs and 520 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 1: screenshots from CETI at home for some reason. Um. And 521 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: since I said search bar, I think I said handy 522 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: search bar even Um, it's time for a listener and mail. 523 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: All right, Josh, I'm gonna call this uh Luca Libra 524 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: slash American wrestling from Zack uh Chuck. You suggested that 525 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: wrestlers carry fake blood packs. Not quite true, or at 526 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: least usually not true. Instead, most wrestlers carry a razor 527 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: blade in order to blade their foreheads. I've heard this 528 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: actually into that they'll cut, make a little cut and 529 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: bleed uh right around the hairline after being hit in 530 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: the head of a chair or a cage or another 531 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: hard weapon. You were also talking about the big companies 532 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: in America. The w w E is the biggest right now, 533 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: with ten as the second biggest, and Ring of Honor 534 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: is the third. W w E and t n A 535 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: are on big TV networks, while the Ring of Honor 536 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: is only on the air in certain markets, and there 537 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: are many many independent leagues, including Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan's Resistance. Bro. 538 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: Did you know that? No, I guess so, dude, he's 539 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: got his own wrestling league. I wonder if he's still 540 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: on the dope. I don't think so. I saw him 541 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 1: one day. He's really tall, which surprised me for some reason. 542 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: I think I noticed that when the Cubs were in 543 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: the World Series and he's saying the uh, the national anthem. 544 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: You know, he's saying the taking out to the ball game, 545 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: it's stretch. Yeah, he's all those guys. Uh. So Zack says, 546 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: when talking about the rules, you're saying that weapons are 547 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: not allowed. And I think I might have said that 548 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: it's different with American wrestling, but not true. He said. 549 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: The chair was just really popular in the late nineties 550 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: because they book matches specifically to be more violent. So 551 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: they would knock the ref down and people would use 552 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: the chair when the ref wasn't watching, but you would 553 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: still get de Q if the ref was to see that. 554 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,440 Speaker 1: And he also said Raymond would get dairy queen. Oh man, 555 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: that'd be great. Uh. And then he said, ray mystereo 556 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: is out with injury, but there's a good chance he 557 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: we'll be back soon, so he's still kicking it. That 558 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 1: was a heck of a dispatch from the wrestling world, 559 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: and dude, I redacted about half of it. Thanks Zack. 560 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: That is Zack from I don't know where he's from. 561 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: He's from Billy Corgan's basement. Well, wow, if you have 562 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,439 Speaker 1: some supplementary information, not even necessarily correction. I think Zach 563 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: handled that very well. Sure. Um, we like to hear 564 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: that stuff all the time and we frequently read them 565 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: as listener mail. 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