1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of I Heart Radio 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: and Grim and Mild from Aaron Minky listener Discretion is advised. 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Years ago, I investigated a home in Massachusetts that was 4 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: plagued with unexplained paranormal activity. The family was waking with 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: scratches on them, They were seeing shadows in the home, 6 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: and even experiencing strange lights moving through the house while 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: they tried to sleep. Despite my best attempts, my research 8 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: came up empty again and again. I couldn't find any 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: history attached to the home that would cause unexplained phenomena. 10 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: No deaths, nothing on the land before it, no tragedies nearby. 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: Except one day I did have a breakthrough. Imagine being 12 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: told that the house you built and put your blood, sweat, 13 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: tears and savings into was being ordered immediately vacated, not 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: just your house, but your entire neighborhood, churches, stores, schools, 15 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: that the government was ordering you out under the law 16 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: of eminent domain, and there was nothing you could do 17 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: about it. Some become desperate an attempt to move their homes. 18 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Some dismantle them and take the wood elsewhere to hopefully rebuild. 19 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: Others simply take them easily stipend offered by the authorities 20 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: and leave everything they've known. Then the water comes slowly 21 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: at first, but soon all you knew is now at 22 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: the bottom of a lake, quiet eerie, a monument to 23 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: entire lives completely displaced, all for a dam. That house 24 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: that was haunted was built from wood taken from piles 25 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: of dismantled homes that had been taken apart prior to 26 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: a local dam being built. That would, to me, carried 27 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: the energy and weight of entire lives up ended without 28 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: any choice otherwise, that would contained memories of family's weddings, births, deaths, holidays, birthdays, 29 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 1: you name it. When we started asking about the damn, 30 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: the E V P s came quickly, water submerged, help change. 31 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: I've long speculated that the energy of the wood caused 32 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: the activity in that home, which takes us to today's haunt. 33 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: An entire damn that never quite got it right, and 34 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: its history begins with the words dark and bloody. Join 35 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: me as we take a very literal deep dive into 36 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: the rapids of the Tennessee River and visit Hale's bar Damn. 37 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm Amy Brunei, and this is Haunted Road. Hale's Bar 38 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: damn had the odds stacked against it from day one 39 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: and honestly probably shouldn't have ever been built. The carst 40 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: formations in the area of Hal's Bar form a fractured 41 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: cavernous system on and below the riverbed. Hale's Bar Dam 42 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: was built on a faulty foundation. On the very day 43 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: after Hale's Bar Dam filled its reservoir, engineers noticed water 44 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: bubbling downstream of the dam. The dam was leaking due 45 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: to the fractured bedrock. Before and during the arrival of 46 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: white settlers in the Tennessee area, the land was used 47 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: by the Cherokee people. This has resulted in one of 48 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: the most consistently repeated motifs in the story of Hale's 49 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: Bar Dam, the alleged curse of Chief Dragon Canoe. In 50 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: seventy according to historical accounts, a Native American warrior, Dragon Canoe, 51 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: upset that his tribe was trading hunting grounds to European 52 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: settlers and what is now Kentucky and Tennessee, angrily warned 53 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: that this land would be arc and bloody. The warning 54 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: was apt, as the region featured an especially hazardous section 55 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: of the river below Chattanooga that included the area known 56 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: as the Narrows or the Tennessee River Gorge. As westward 57 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: settlement continued, there were many accounts of the dangers associated 58 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: with the Narrows, whirlpools, and shoals with colorful names such 59 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: as the boiling pot, the suck, the skillet, and the 60 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: frying pan. According to historian Sherry Teal, this illegal land 61 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: deal between Richard Henderson and some of the Overhill Cherokee 62 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: chiefs occurred near present day Wataga, Tennessee. In March sevent 63 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 1: Dragon Canoe opposed the deal, and his reported words loom 64 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: heavy in historical accounts of the event. Henderson and Daniel 65 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: Boone visited Dragon Canoes father to show the Cherokee peace 66 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: chief and others the goods that they would receive in 67 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: the deal. This means that Richard Henderson traveled more than 68 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: one hundred fifty miles over the Appalachian Mountains from North 69 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: Carolina into the Overhill Cherokee territory during the winter to 70 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: show goods to these chiefs. Why they wanted to strike 71 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: when the iron was hot, or more precisely, while the 72 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: winter was brutal and draining prior to the killing frost 73 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 1: There had been a historic three year drought. The effects 74 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: of the frost and drought upon the Cherokee would have 75 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: lessened their resources during the winter, or at the very 76 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: least strained them. It is probably not a coincidence, then, 77 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: that Boone and Henderson visited the Cherokee during a lean winter, 78 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 1: perhaps speculating that the pressure for Cherokee leaders to agree 79 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: to a deal would have been strong. However, the story 80 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: claims that Dragon Canoe was furious he refused to accept 81 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: the treaty and spoke a curse on the ground he 82 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: had fought for this idea that a mystical curse and 83 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: not the threat of pushback from a skilled war chief, 84 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: plagued the land and river, and manifested during the construction 85 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: of the hales Bar Dam. It was constructed on the 86 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: same stretch of the Tennessee River that his strategic strongholds sat. 87 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: More than a century before. Contemporary to Dragon Canoe, the 88 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: waterway was referred to as the Suck by French explorers, 89 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: but amongst the Cherokee people it was believed to be 90 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: the home of uk Tina, the Great Horde serpent, who 91 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 1: lived in the rivers of the Cherokee homelands and controlled 92 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 1: the currents of rivers, creating whirlpools and other deadly river hazards. 93 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: So what is the suck. The fast moving currents of 94 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: Suck Creek flow from the north and its waters empty 95 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: into the slower westward moving current of the Tennessee River. 96 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: The faster creek waters caused lower pressure to be near 97 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: to the mouth of the creek. This causes the water 98 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: to whip around the low pressure, forming the whirlpool called 99 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: the Suck or uk Tina. Before the Tennessee Valley Authority 100 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: dam projects of the early twentieth century, the Suck would 101 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: have been formidable, and it is still present today as 102 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: a water navigational hazard for vessels on the Tennessee River. 103 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: After colonizers moved in, they began to wonder how they 104 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: could mitigate and perhaps harness the power of the Tennessee River, 105 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: along with Mussel shoals and the Elk River shoals further downstream, 106 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: The Tennessee River gorge had long been one of the 107 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 1: major impediments to river navigation in the upper Tennessee Valley. 108 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: While various nineteenth century canal projects had minor success in 109 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: extending navigation across the shoals. The Tennessee River Gorge remained 110 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: largely untamed, so enter the dam. This valley of the 111 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: whirlpool rapids had not been tamed by the turn of 112 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: the twentieth century. To improve navigation on this particular hazardous 113 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: expanse and to provide electricity to Chattanooga, government approval was 114 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: given to the Chattanooga and Tennessee River Power Company to 115 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: Old Hales, bar Lock and dam. It has the distinction 116 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: of being the first main river multi purpose dam built 117 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: on the Tennessee River. In eight several Chattanooga business interests 118 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: formed the Tennessee River Improvement Association to lobby for efforts 119 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: to extend year round navigation to Chattanooga, and around nineteen hundred, 120 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: Major Dan C. Kingman of the U. S. Army Corps 121 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: of Engineers, drafted a design for a dam that would 122 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: flood the Tennessee River gorge and remove the swift current 123 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:35,560 Speaker 1: in various hazards that had long prevented large scale navigation 124 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: through this stretch of river. Congress passed the enabling legislation 125 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: on April nineteen o four, and with funding from Chattanooga 126 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: entrepreneur Charles E. James and new York financier Anthony Brady 127 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: Guild formed the Chattanooga and Tennessee River Power Company to 128 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: oversee the project. The project was estimated to cost three 129 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: million dollars, but by the time the project was finished 130 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen thirteen, it costs ten million dollars. So just 131 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: for reference, in one three million dollars would be about 132 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: ninety three million dollars and ten million dollars would be 133 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: about two hundred and eighty three million dollars. Construction began 134 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen o five, and it proved to be a 135 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: massive undertaking. The project employed thousands of men, requiring the 136 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 1: construction of a village to feed and house the workers 137 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: and their families. Because people lived on both sides of 138 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: the damn, a tunnel two and a half feet wide 139 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: and six and a half feet tall was built underneath 140 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: the dam to allow easy access from side to side. 141 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: It was fraught from the get go, and between nineteen 142 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: o five and nineteen ten, four different contractors failed to 143 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: complete the project because of difficult foundation conditions. Another source 144 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: claimed that not one, but two communities were constructed in 145 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: order to house the workforce and their fami Lee's. The 146 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: work required to build such a structure was demanding and dangerous. 147 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: Since thousands of men worked three shifts around the clock 148 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: in wet and muddy conditions without strong safety regulations, it 149 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: is not surprising that there were injuries and fatalities. Nony Webb, 150 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,199 Speaker 1: an expert on Hale's bar, noted that the total number 151 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: cannot be documented, but she has provided examples of the 152 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: types of violent accidents that occurred during construction. A boiler 153 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: explosion to the life of one man, of falling Derek 154 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: crushed out the lives of two others, and one poor 155 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: soul had his foot entangled in a rope and was 156 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: pulled underwater and drowned before he could be saved. Besides 157 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: work fatalities, there were also murders at the camps, along 158 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: with shootings. There was one incident where a gentleman was 159 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 1: struck across the neck with a heavy bench, killing him instantly. 160 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: The project dragged on and missed at least two deadlines 161 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: by the time it was completed in nineteen thirteen. At 162 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: least one major flood had occurred in nineteen eleven, and 163 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: the finances were about as leakproof as the dam itself. 164 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: When construction was finalized, the hails Bar Dam measured almost 165 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: one half mile across and sixty three feet high. The 166 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: lock at the time was the highest single locklift in 167 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: the world. With the best modern technology utilized, the dam 168 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,079 Speaker 1: still leaked. In fact, a group known as the rag 169 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: Gang was hired to walk around and plug leaks for 170 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: one dollar a day. What the heck is a rag gang. 171 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: Soon after the dam's completion, the leaks began to appear. 172 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: The engineers had chosen the location of the dam because 173 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: the river was narrow, But unknown to them at the 174 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: time was that the ground beneath the river is limestone. 175 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: Portions of the limestone continually collapsed and resettled, shifting the 176 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: dams foundation and causing cracks to form in the dam walls. 177 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: Administrators created a rag gang, which was a group of 178 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: men tasked with stopping the leaks. Supposedly, they used whatever 179 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: they could find to fill the cracks, including asphalts, hay bales, mattresses, blankets, 180 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: and even a truckload of corsets. At one point, surprise, 181 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: it didn't work. In nineteen nineteen, engineers attempted to minimize 182 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: the leakage by pumping hot asphalt into the dam's foundation. 183 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: This was temporarily successful, but by ninety one a study 184 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: showed the dam was leaking at a rate of one 185 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: thousand cubic feet per second. The passing of the t 186 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: v A Act in nineteen thirty three created the Tennessee 187 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: Valley Authority and gave it control a flood control and 188 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 1: improvement initiatives in the Tennessee Valley. By this time, Chattanooga 189 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 1: and Tennessee River Power had merged with several other companies 190 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: to form the Tennessee Electric Power Company, or TEPCO. The 191 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 1: new company was a fierce opponent of the t v 192 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: A and was headed by Guild's son, Joe con Guild. 193 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: TEPCO challenged the constitutionality of the tv A Act and 194 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: federal court, and in nineteen thirty nine, the U. S. 195 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: Supreme Court handed down their decision in favor of the 196 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: t v A. A few months later, TEPCO was forced 197 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: to sell most of their assets, including Hale's Bar Dam, 198 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: to the t v A for seventy eight million dollars. Later, 199 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: t v A efforts to stem the leaks were successful 200 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: in the early nineteen forties, but it was far too little, 201 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: too late. In the late nineteen fifties, boils began to 202 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: appear in the water below hales Bar Dam, and an 203 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: investigation showed the dam was again leaking, this time at 204 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: an alarming two thousand cubic feet per second. Die tests 205 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: carried out in nineteen sixty suggested that many of the 206 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,600 Speaker 1: leak as channels had interconnected, increasing the possibility of a 207 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: future damn failure. Eventually, the cost of maintenance was far 208 00:13:57,520 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: too much to bear. The t v A couldn't stay 209 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: head of the damn dam Sorry, I had to do 210 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: it at least once. According to a contemporary news article. 211 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: The decision to replace hales Bar with a new dam 212 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: was reached after a detailed review of efforts which had 213 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: been carried on over several weeks to reduce leakage under 214 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 1: the old dam. The tv A board said so, the 215 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: Nikki Jack Dam was built six miles downstream, and the 216 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: hales Bar Dam ceased operation on December four, nineteen sixty seven. Recently, 217 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: the hales Bar Dam Powerhouse was listed on the National 218 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: Register of Historic Places in two thousand and eight. Since 219 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: the dam was closed, it has been operated as a 220 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: private event space. In addition, tours can be arranged by reservation. 221 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 1: A marina has been developed next to the site. The 222 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: building is currently being used as the home of Damn 223 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: Whiskey and Moonshine Distillery. Now. In addition to the workplace 224 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: debts I cited earlier, there have been a number of 225 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: drownings around the dam over the years. Another claim I've 226 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: heard repeated many times over the years, but can't find 227 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: anything specific to corroborate, is the idea that there are 228 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: actual bodies in the cement of the dam. According to 229 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: the serf Ski Nation news men lost their lives during 230 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: the building of the dam. Some even fell into the 231 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: cement mixer and were built into the walls of the dam. 232 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: Other accounts are more intense, claiming that up to several 233 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: hundred workers perished during the construction of the hales Bar 234 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: Dam and that they were expected in such a large 235 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: project in those days. That is taken from the website 236 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 1: of the Paranormal Investigators of Milwaukee, but I don't see 237 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: a source cited for the info. Stephen Waar, a tour 238 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: guide at the dam, has given some of the most 239 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: specific detail about bodies buried inside the dam that I've 240 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: heard so far. According to him, in the tunnel behind 241 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: a few inches of wall. There are apparently two bodies 242 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: that have been stuck there in the concrete since nineteen 243 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: o seven. Guide explained that they were able to use 244 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: some device to detect crevices within the concrete and determined 245 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: that the bodies had decayed and calcified in the limestone mixture, 246 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: and they're apparently holding onto each other still as one 247 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: pulled the other into the concrete behind them. Again, I 248 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: cannot find any new sources to cite these claims, but 249 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: they've been repeated so much I felt the need to 250 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: pass them onto you all. Interestingly, the dam features yet 251 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: another strange and mysterious bit of history. Thanks to the 252 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: building of the dam, water levels upstream rose quite a bit, 253 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: enough to cover an entire cemetery, Mullins Cove. The Mullins 254 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: Cove cemetery has headstones dating back to eight and it's 255 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: speculated it was flooded sometime in the forties. Typically, the 256 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: t v A would move graves elsewhere if this was 257 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: the case, but by the time they took over the 258 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: damage was done. When the dam closed, the water level 259 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: descended enough to make some of the graves viewable again 260 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: just under the surface, with a few even standing above 261 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: the waterline. It's an eerie spot to visit by kayak 262 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,640 Speaker 1: or by boat at three am, like I did when 263 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: we filmed Ghost Hunters there with all that dark history. 264 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: Of course, there are paranormal reports at the dam. Many 265 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 1: people have heard women and children's voices, maybe a whisper 266 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: in their ears. Strange shadows have been seen moving about 267 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: the dam, including a man dressed from the nineteen forties. 268 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: Several guests have been touched lightly, with some claiming to 269 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: have been scratched and even strangled. Visitors have left gifts 270 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: for the spirits and areas that are said to be 271 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 1: haunted by children. Supposedly, most of the gifts disappear from 272 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: one visit to the next. Regarding Dragon Canoe, stories often 273 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: claim that the curse was true and that all of 274 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: the shadows in the history of the dam stemmed from it. 275 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: Some accounts mentioned sightings of Dragon Canoe spirit as well. 276 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: The presence of the spirits of children doesn't immediately make sense. 277 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: Many have attributed it to a supposed flood that happened 278 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: that filled that tunnel on property that many used to 279 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: walk from place to place, including children going to school. 280 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: Others attributed it to the high fatality rate of children 281 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: in the camps during the Spanish flu epidemic. I can't 282 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: find record of any of those happenings, but I did 283 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: find drownings, lots of them, including a six and a 284 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: nine year old in nineteen fifty. I also found a 285 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: horrific account of a little girl who burned to death 286 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: in a fire on a pleasure launch at the Damn 287 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: in nine Her aunt also perished, and a number of 288 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: people were taken to area hospitals with severe burns. On 289 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: that tragic note, let's shift gears. I've investigated Hales Bar 290 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: Damn on a number of occasions, including three nights in 291 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: a row with Adam Burry for our show Kindred Spirits. 292 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: Prior to that, we investigated with TAPS when we were 293 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: on Ghost Hunters. We had a number of experiences, so 294 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 1: I thought it fit to bring him back to chat 295 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 1: with me about them. This includes details of one of 296 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: the most terrifying moments I have ever had while investigating, 297 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: So you can hear all about that and more when 298 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: we get Adam on the line right after the break. 299 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 1: All right, So I am sitting here with someone who 300 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: you should all be very familiar with by now, and 301 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: If you're not, then I don't know what to say. Mr. 302 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 1: Mr Adam Barry and my partner in crime on Kindred Spirits, 303 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: my real life bestie. He's here to talk about Hale's 304 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: bar damn with me. So Hi Adam. Hi. Yeah, if 305 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 1: you don't know who I am, google right now and 306 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: come back to this episode because you're going to need 307 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: to know it. Hit pause. He's highly google able. Yeah, highly. 308 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: My net worth is forty million apparently on Google. But 309 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: don't tell anyone because I didn't even saw that, and 310 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm mine is net worth eight hundred thousand, and I'm like, 311 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: what is that Adam doing? Right? I like this. It's 312 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: all crypto. It's all crypto and n f T girl. 313 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: What we're referring to is that there's these like very 314 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: made up biographies about us all over the internet, and 315 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: they just have these very weird ideas of like our 316 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: net worth and totally I apparently have like three children, 317 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,919 Speaker 1: so you have millions he didn't know about. I have 318 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: kids that didn't know about. And my husband apparently he's 319 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: worth fifteen million. He went to go check the mattress 320 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 1: to see if it's in there. He was like, where 321 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: did I put it. Oh my goodness. Anyways, as usual, 322 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: we immediately just went off topic. So not like a 323 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: ghosts what ghosts? Okay, So we're talking about Hale's bar damn. 324 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: I was talking a bit with Adam before this. I 325 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: really tried hard to find someone affiliated with the damn 326 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: to talk about it today, but no one would reply 327 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: to me. So I was like, you know, Adam and 328 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: I have investigated there. We've been there at least five 329 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: or six nights investigating. We you know a lot of 330 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: people over the years who have investigated, so we've heard 331 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: a lot of stories. I do want to write off 332 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 1: the bat before we get into the ghosts. I did 333 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 1: have one of the most terrifying moments of my life 334 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: in that place, and to this day, it still gives 335 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: me the shivers to even think about it. So Adam 336 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,199 Speaker 1: and I were there investigating for ghost hunters years and 337 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: years ago, and in the middle of the dam building. 338 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: This is gonna get good. In the middle of the 339 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: damn building, there's water, it's filled up, and there's a 340 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 1: whirlpool in there. And so Adam and I are there 341 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: at night and it's just us in like our camera 342 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: operator and maybe a sound person and I look in 343 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: that water and there is something very large in there, 344 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: and it's like circling around the edge. And I am 345 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: not kidding when I say this fish was five or 346 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: six ft long, and I was like, what is that? 347 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't even concentrate on investigating. There's just this mass. 348 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, is that a shark? Like? Are there sharks 349 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: in Tennessee? Like? What is this? The whole time we 350 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: were in there, it just slowly circled around the edge 351 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: of this pool and we never got our answers until 352 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: we went back, and the gentleman who was giving us 353 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: the tour when we went back for Kindred years later, 354 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: he was like, oh, yeah, that was an alligator gar. 355 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what is an alligator gar? And so 356 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: I googled it. They're also highly google able and disgusting. 357 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I cannot believe your your best your 358 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: friend here, your best friend here is smart, but he's 359 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: not a Jeopardy person. However, last night, three Letter Animals 360 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: was a category and it was alligator this, and I screamed, gar, 361 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: It's like it's synchronousity and I I screamed it, and 362 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: Ben looked at me like I was crazy. And then 363 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: the answer was gar and I was like, see, I 364 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: know it. I was, that's a nail's bar down. I 365 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: can't even and I know they're probably gentle giants. I 366 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: don't know, but the way they look. I love aquatic 367 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: creatures with that, the idea of that in that water. 368 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: And so then we went back for Kindred to film. 369 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: There were a lot of reports, like paranormal reports coming 370 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: from that pool area, and so they preemptively, they thought 371 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: they were helping us out there, like, hey, we preemptively 372 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: ordered you a boat so you can get into this water. 373 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: And and I was like, no, I'm not doing that. 374 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: And so if you notice on the episode Adams in 375 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: the boat by himself, because I was like, I'm not, 376 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: I am not doing that. Like what if that thing 377 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: is still in there and it like brushes up, like 378 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: if I fall in it? Oh my god, I can't anyway, 379 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 1: so I think it is okay. So I have never 380 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: googled it, and I just now did that. If I 381 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: had googled alligator gar before getting into that boat, I 382 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: do not think I would have actually done it. These 383 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: things look crazy, it's yeah, So there you have it, 384 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: and apparently they're very prevalent in that area. So they're monsters. 385 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: They're like literal dinosaurs. They are they are so fascinating 386 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: and terrifying. So, like I said, one of my scariest 387 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: moments when people ever when they asked me, like, what's 388 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: the scariest thing that's ever happened to you? Like I 389 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: quickly flashed to the alligator gar and then like try 390 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: to get to a ghost moment for them. But it's 391 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 1: there always forever. So okay, let's talk about ghosts. So 392 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: we have actually had a number of experiences I think, 393 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: probably too many to even fit into the shows that 394 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: we've filmed there. So why don't you start? What do 395 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: you think has been like one of the craziest moments 396 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: that you've had while investigating at Hales bar Well, having 397 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: a rock thrown at my face and hitting me in 398 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: the face, I think while investigating around that whirlpool in 399 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: the middle of the damn I think that was probably 400 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: pretty intense. I mean, we've seen objects move, and we've 401 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: been touched, and you know, we've been pinched and poked. 402 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: To have something physically thrown at you is pretty um, 403 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:18,679 Speaker 1: pretty intense. Yeah, And that kind of activity doesn't happen often, 404 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: and so I remember because your face actually had like 405 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: a red mark on it. And I'm trying to recall 406 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: where I was. I heard the rock, I heard multiple rocks, 407 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: like I definitely heard things being thrown in that moment. 408 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: You were to my left. We were up on that 409 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: platform up the stairs, and so we were looking across, 410 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: and so strangely enough, years before that, when we were 411 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: filming or um investing. I hate saying filming because we're investigating, 412 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: but just it's automatically my brain. But we were investigating 413 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 1: and being filmed while doing so for Ghost Hunters, and 414 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 1: I do remember standing in that same spot and we 415 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 1: were looking across and we saw a shadow figure in 416 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 1: like a very high up area which no one was 417 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: either able to get to or was there at that moment. 418 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 1: And then we heard this like crazy voice yelling at us, 419 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: like just this very like gruff like voice, and we 420 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: record it, like we got it on our recorders and everything, 421 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: and I remember Steve Gonsolves just being like, what the 422 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: heck is that, and like, we don't know, there's something 423 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: weird in that room. And I think maybe that whirlpool, 424 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,840 Speaker 1: that energy, the whole makeup of hales Bar. I don't 425 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 1: know if you remember this, but like it literally is 426 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: built on limestone, and you know a lot of people 427 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: speculate and theorize that limestone has to do with paranormal activity. 428 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: It was built in an area that the French I believe, 429 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: referred to it as the Suck because they couldn't navigate 430 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: it with boats, and so they built the dam specifically 431 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 1: to make that area more easy to navigate and then 432 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: also to provide electricity of Chattanooga. But I feel like 433 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: that whole whirlpool thing, if you believe any of the 434 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: theories that running water is some sort of conduit for 435 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: paranoral activity, hails Bar has it. I think we thought 436 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: maybe that that area that like whirlpool area, because it 437 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: was connected to like Native Americans, that that section of 438 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: the dam had sort of a Native American aspect to it, 439 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: that kind of activity in that area, and then when 440 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: you got to the other side were like the offices 441 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: and the barracks were where the workers were, it was 442 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: a completely different set of activity. Yes, and that was 443 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 1: weird too, because that was when we were dealing with 444 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: a spirit that did not like disorder, and I think 445 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: you really we were just talking about this in another 446 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: interview recently, but remind me what happened exactly, because you 447 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: know that sequence of events better than I remember. Yeah, 448 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 1: So we were investigating in the third or fourth floor, 449 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: because we had to walk through the tunnels and then 450 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: up three flights of stairs, and we were in this 451 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,959 Speaker 1: section and we were doing the STS method, the spiritbox session, 452 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: and we garnered from that communication that whoever was there 453 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: seemed to be in charge. And the idea I think 454 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: came because this person of this entity wanted order and 455 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 1: structure and liked to watch out for this space. We 456 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: were thinking like that, maybe that's why they were there, 457 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: and so we decided to leave trash on that third 458 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: floor with a rimpod you know that makes sound if 459 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: anybody gets near it. And we explained all of our 460 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: equipment and said this is how you can communicate with 461 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 1: us and get our attention. And so we put like 462 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: a plastic bottle and a rapper I think of something else, 463 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: and we just left it. And when we got down 464 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: maybe a flight and a half of stairs from where 465 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: we were, the equipment started going off like crazy as 466 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: if to say, hey, you're a jerk. You left this 467 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: trash on the third floor, and as soon it kept 468 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: going off and kept going off, we both went back up. 469 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: It was still going off. As soon as we touched 470 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: that trash. As soon as we picked it up, it stopped, 471 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: the equipment stop going off, and we were like, Okay, 472 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: that's weird. Yeah, remember I feel like that. The gentleman 473 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: who we were speaking with at that time, he said 474 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: he'd always felt like someone was in that area kind of. 475 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he got very emotional at the end when 476 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: we were kind of telling him everything that happened, but 477 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: he always felt like there was someone there who kind 478 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: of felt the same affinity for the location as he did, 479 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: like really wanting to clean it up, really wanting to 480 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: keep it nice and neat, And so that was kind 481 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: of cool that we were able to tell him that 482 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: his feelings were correct. I think we all sometimes get 483 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 1: those vibes like there's something around here that maybe we're 484 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: all a little bit psychic. But yeah, I don't know 485 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 1: if he's still working at the dam, but hopefully whoever 486 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 1: is there is aware of this person in this area 487 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: who likes order. Yeah. I think what was really cool 488 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: about that is this gentleman really devoted a lot of 489 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: his time and his life to cleaning up that damn 490 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: because they were doing damn tours. It's never gonna get old. 491 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: They were doing don't We're in the history, I do 492 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 1: it like three times. They want to do damn tours, 493 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: and so it has to be safe for people to 494 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: do that. And so he had like pulled out a 495 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: bunch of like drywall and bricks and rocks like hard labor, 496 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: like hard work. And then when the activity in the 497 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: office area was getting aggressive towards him, like he had 498 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: felt like he was grabbed there and I got grabbed 499 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: in that same area, and you know, there was a 500 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: dark shadow figure. He assumed that they were just mad 501 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: at him or something was wrong, and all he wanted 502 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: to do was make the space safe for guests, but 503 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: also clean it up for the spirits in a way. 504 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: And so when we told him that, I was not 505 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: expecting him to get as emotional as he did, because 506 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: this guy is like southern and stoic. But he was 507 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: really moved by the e vps that we got and 508 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: our assessment of the space, and it really changed his 509 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: It really changed his life. Honestly, Now, speaking of getting grabbed, 510 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: like how did that feel when you got grabbed there. Okay, 511 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 1: wasn't the best moment. I think the weirdest part about 512 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 1: that experience is we had heard that if you just 513 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: stand in this area of this section of the room 514 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: or whatever, you sometimes feel like somebody's grabbing you. And 515 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: we always try it ourselves and most of the time 516 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: it doesn't really work, but we I stood there and 517 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: the first thing I thought was it was my pants leg. 518 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: I thought it was my pant leg, like I don't know, 519 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: like bunching up or something. But I wasn't moving, and 520 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: so when I looked down to see that my pants 521 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: leg was fine, it felt sort of like a staticky 522 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: hold of some kind. I can't explain it any other 523 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: way than it being like this weird staticky maybe my 524 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: fabrics moving, but I felt like something was grabbing onto me. 525 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: And you know, we were filming and we had equipment 526 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: and obviously nothing was around me. And I think we 527 00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: tried to figure out if it could be logically explained, 528 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: but it couldn't. So I think it was more about 529 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: the I think it was a pressure. I thought maybe 530 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: it was my pants, like bunching up staticky. But it 531 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: was very different than just standing there normal like I 532 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: knew something was off and it felt like something was 533 00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 1: like grabbing onto me. And obviously you're not the first. 534 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: A lot of people have reported being grabbed. It's interesting 535 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: how physical the activity is at Hales Bar and there's 536 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: a lot of shadow figures. I mean, the history there 537 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: is intense. I don't think I remembered how intense it 538 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: was until I just started going back through our research 539 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 1: for this podcast. But like it has seen everything, and 540 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: so I could see why there would be a lot 541 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: of spirits there that would feel the need to try 542 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 1: to get attention. But I never felt anything there was 543 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: negative or evil or bad per se. No protective and 544 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: rightly so based on the history. I feel like the 545 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 1: land was sacred and Native Americans, the organization or the 546 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,479 Speaker 1: damn was very important to those that built it and 547 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: that protected it, quote unquote, and I think that's what 548 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: it was about. And that can also be confused with 549 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: aggressive activity. I mean, a protective spirit is going to 550 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: do what they need to do to make sure that 551 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: you aren't destroying the place or or making it worse, 552 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: or you know, not following the rules, like that guy 553 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: who you know leading trash, and so I think that 554 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: can be confused with like this aggressive activity, but it 555 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: was all about protection I think. I think so too, 556 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: And the activity didn't seem to change day or night. 557 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: You know, people always ask us, you know, why do 558 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: you investigate at night? And you know, we investigate at 559 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: night for a lot of reasons, mostly because outside influences 560 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: are not as you know, there's not a lot of traffic, 561 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of outside noise. You know, you 562 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: can see light anomalies easier in the dark, things like that. 563 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: But Hail's Bar specifically has activity all the time. Like 564 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: I remember few times having like because we I think 565 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: we had oh yeah, we had our DVR and everything 566 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: is set up in that main room where we could 567 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 1: look over everything. And I remember a few times going 568 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: into that giant space where the pool is and they 569 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: do boat storage in there and stuff, and hearing noises 570 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: in the middle of the day, like knocking, sounds, rustling, 571 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: like it almost felt alive, like it just never stops. Well, yeah, 572 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 1: it makes sense because if you're you know, they would 573 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: work during the day. You know, they probably there was 574 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: probably a security guard or somebody at night, like monitoring 575 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: the space. But you know that the place is very 576 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: active during the day, so it could be anything from 577 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: residual activity to intelligent activity too, you know, a ghost 578 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: just going about its business, you know, like like it's 579 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: still an operation. Do you remember the tunnel? Oh god, wait, okay, 580 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,440 Speaker 1: wait a second, So there's two different So there's the tunnel, right, yes, 581 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 1: I mean it is a tunnel, but it's just like buried, 582 00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,760 Speaker 1: you know. They put it on top of the ground 583 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: and then put land over it. So it is a tunnel. 584 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 1: But the other tunnel, like when I was in that 585 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 1: boat and like you got to the end of the 586 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 1: thing and they were like can you the I think, 587 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: are I forget who? Maybe it is Brian, but he 588 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: was like it works for us. He was like, can 589 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 1: you get through this doorway to go into this other 590 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: water filled tunnel? And I was like, absolutely not, No, 591 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: I can't. That is the layer of the alligator car 592 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: and the spiders. It was very strange because you walked 593 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 1: down those stairs and it's just submerged. It's just water. Literally. 594 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,240 Speaker 1: You can tell this used to be an area people 595 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,200 Speaker 1: worked in. But it also goes to show Damned was 596 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: constantly being repaired, Like it was just constantly like there 597 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: was a team assigned to filling the cracks because it 598 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: was constantly breaking because it was on that limestone, and 599 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: they would shove anything in these cracks, mattresses at one 600 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: point a truckload. Of course, it's like just trying to 601 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: repair this damn And you know, once they stopped that 602 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 1: within however many years, or it's just completely flooded inside. 603 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: Like what they were stopping for so long is crazy 604 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: to think about, and you can really see it going 605 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: down there. Yeah, it's probably one of the weirdest things 606 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,800 Speaker 1: we've ever had to investigate, like going down those stairs 607 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: where that water is. Like, that's as an investigator, I think, 608 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: you know, we always were always like, oh, we'll do it, 609 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,399 Speaker 1: but like then when you get down there, like, well, 610 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: how do we how do we do it? And I 611 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: think we did it pretty well. I think we're doing 612 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 1: e VP work. And then maybe do we have any 613 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: kind of underwater I don't even remember when we tried 614 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: that with Ghost Remember there's also a cemetery up the 615 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,479 Speaker 1: way that was submerged. Um I forgot about that, Yes, 616 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: and so we did try to do some like underwater recording. 617 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: So what's interesting about that? And I could be misremembering 618 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 1: because I did the history a bit ago, but I 619 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: feel like the cemetery was a lot more submerged in 620 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,799 Speaker 1: the forties and then the sixties they did something and 621 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: then suddenly the cemetery resurfaced in areas. So now for 622 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: anyone who visits their boats there, the cemetery is literally 623 00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: right under the surface, and that water is very clear, 624 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: and there are some headstones actually like coming up. But 625 00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 1: it's crazy how well they've been preserved having been submerged 626 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: for so long. And also I don't know that you 627 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,720 Speaker 1: know this, but that is five miles up from the damp. 628 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: So we got in a boat and it was thirty degrees. 629 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, I just remember being Remember we were 630 00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,960 Speaker 1: five miles up that river in the middle of the 631 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: night to the cemetery. I don't think any of us 632 00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: knew far away it was. They were like going, it 633 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,160 Speaker 1: was you mean, Dave and Steve. They gave us boots 634 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: or something. And I was a WE investigator at this moment, right, 635 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: so they're like, go out, go stand over there. So 636 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,520 Speaker 1: I put these boots on to go stand in an 637 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: area I think on the near the graves that I 638 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: could stand there, and then my foot just like slipped 639 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: and water filled my boot, remember that, right, I do? 640 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 1: And then you had to we had to go back 641 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: and it was so cold one lost your foot. What 642 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: a story that would have been. Oh god, I think 643 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: I spent like fifteen minutes. They had a dryer, a 644 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: washer and dryer, and I think I put my socks 645 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: in the dryer to dry them off. I too have 646 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: a picture of myself. I took a selfie like waiting 647 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: for my socks to dry, like in this area. That's 648 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: so weird. That place is so weird. Not to mention 649 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 1: the kittens, the feral kittens that are everywhere that we 650 00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: kept feeding, you kept feeding. Listen, Okay, I had to 651 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: get some Caesar's or whatever they eat because they were hungry. 652 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,719 Speaker 1: And that little orange kitty cat I really wanted, but 653 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:49,319 Speaker 1: I'm allergic. I know. It's so funny how much the 654 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 1: interviews are different from week to week on the show, 655 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: because sometimes they're just like all business and then I 656 00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: get like you or John Tenney on or something and 657 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: it's just all over the place, which is fine, I'm 658 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: sure it. To listen, I think ghost kind of goes. 659 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: You know, we go out and do these things and 660 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,880 Speaker 1: we're very serious, and it is business, and it's like 661 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,359 Speaker 1: we want to help and we want to figure out 662 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: the things, but there are times that we have to 663 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: be normal in a way quote unquote we have to 664 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: like have fun or like do something else to take 665 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 1: our mind off of the seriousness of the business. Otherwise 666 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 1: it can weigh as it can weigh us down. Oh yeah, 667 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: we learned that. And I think that's actually a really 668 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: fair kind of warning to investigators, is that there, you know, 669 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 1: you are surrounded by stories of really awful things. When 670 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: you're a paranormal investigator, you know, you you are constantly 671 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: reminded of your mortality and death and unfortunate situations. And 672 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,320 Speaker 1: I think that's why Adam and I do make time 673 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, have fun and laugh with 674 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,719 Speaker 1: each other and but be serious when we need to be. 675 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 1: But also like there has to be some like levity 676 00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: and all of this really because it could drag you 677 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: down very quickly if you go down that dark, deep 678 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: hole of sadness, you know, or or the world pool 679 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,000 Speaker 1: of sadness, the whirlpool of alligator cars. I just in 680 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: my brain, I just feel like there's an entire school 681 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: of very large alligator cars waiting down there. For me, 682 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: and I'm going to have nightmares about it tonight. I 683 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,319 Speaker 1: promise you next time we'll go fishing and see if 684 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,359 Speaker 1: we can catch it. Oh my gosh, No, okay, I 685 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: think we should stop talking about this now. Well, you 686 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,879 Speaker 1: know what, I appreciate you. Thank you so much for 687 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 1: coming on and reminiscing and talking about the spooky things 688 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: that go on there. Just the two people out of 689 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 1: many who have had experiences at Hales bar and so 690 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,359 Speaker 1: I'm sure they are still doing tours. If you want 691 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,960 Speaker 1: to visit, tell them that you heard about it on 692 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,360 Speaker 1: Haunted Road or Kindred Spirits or Ghost Centers. But everyone 693 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,960 Speaker 1: we've met there has been lovely, so definitely check it 694 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: out if you have time. So, Mr Barry, what are 695 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: you up to? Anything you want to promote or throw 696 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 1: out there? God, I don't know. Just google me, Just 697 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: google me and you'll find out. Yes, Adams on every 698 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: Strange Escapes that I do, you were doing a cruise 699 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,240 Speaker 1: this summer. Obviously, new episodes of Kindred Spirits are airing, 700 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: but I think this is either happening the week of 701 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,319 Speaker 1: our season finale or the week after. But if you 702 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,200 Speaker 1: haven't seen it, go check it out and stream it 703 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,919 Speaker 1: on Discovery Plus. You can watch Adam and Me act 704 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: like this all you want. You can watch both episodes 705 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,120 Speaker 1: of Ghost Hunters that were there and Kindred Spirits. All right, well, 706 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,600 Speaker 1: thank you, Mr Barry. I appreciate you, and I will 707 00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 1: see you very soon. You're welcome. Thank you. Bye. I 708 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,439 Speaker 1: don't think I've ever used the word damn so many 709 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: times in my damn life, but it certainly seems appropriate 710 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 1: because Hale's bar dam quite literally seems damned oddly though, 711 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,399 Speaker 1: when you visit there, it's actually rather peaceful, and there 712 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: are so many strange nooks and crannies to explore. Plus 713 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 1: the view of the river, it's easy to sit on 714 00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 1: the water and reflect on everything that happened there in 715 00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: its history. It's a massive structure, unmistakable, a constant reminder 716 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,840 Speaker 1: of what once was, a place so cloaked in tragedy 717 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: that the urban legends and myths that have sprung from 718 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 1: it aren't much worse than the real things that happened there. 719 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,360 Speaker 1: We might never know if there are bodies in the cement, 720 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: or if dragon Canoes curse had anything to do with 721 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: the Damn's downfall, but one thing is for shore Hale's 722 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: bar Dam continues to be a beacon for both the 723 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: living and the dead. I'm Amy Bruney and this was 724 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: Haunted Road. Haunted Road is a production of I Heart 725 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,520 Speaker 1: Radio and Grimm and Mild from Aaron Mankey. The podcast 726 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: is written and hosted by Amy Bruney. Executive producers include 727 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:48,840 Speaker 1: Aaron Mankey, Alex Williams, and Matt Frederick. The show is 728 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,960 Speaker 1: produced by rema Ill Kali and Trevor Young. Research by 729 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: Taylor Haggerdorn, Amy Bruney and Robin Miniter. For more podcasts 730 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,360 Speaker 1: from I Heeart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio Apple 731 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. M