Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program that gets you
Speaker 1: inside and RG Stadium. Mark Vandermayer with you with John Harris,
Speaker 1: back together again. It's been a while. It's been almost
Speaker 1: a week since we've done a program together, Johnny, and
Speaker 1: it's great to be on with you. We have a
Speaker 1: lot to catch up. Are you ready to go, my friend?
Speaker 1: Of course, we do have plenty to get caught up
Speaker 1: on each day. Inching ever so closely to the end
Speaker 1: of the off season, in the beginning of training camp. Oh,
Speaker 1: I can't get here fast enough. I know. Well, it's
Speaker 1: May eighteenth, and it's flying. I gotta say it's flying,
Speaker 1: because you know, the off season gets started and you
Speaker 1: have some events and we really haven't had it the
Speaker 1: way it's usually been because of COVID, and now we're
Speaker 1: coming out of COVID. But you look at the calendar
Speaker 1: and you realize it's gonna be here before you know it.
Speaker 1: You know, in two months, it's just basically the eve
Speaker 1: of training camp and there you go off and running.
Speaker 1: They're in phase two right now, the off season program.
Speaker 1: And I've got a loaded question for you to start
Speaker 1: off the show. Heh boy, loaded question. Will Tim Kelly
Speaker 1: be different better? How will he be second year as
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator? Now it's his third year really, but
Speaker 1: second year as a play caller? And what do you
Speaker 1: think last year did for him? Because he's very active
Speaker 1: out there right now, active with the rookies, active with
Speaker 1: the veterans. I mean, he's the offensive coordinator and obviously
Speaker 1: with the help of Pep Hamilton and the influence of
Speaker 1: David Culley, it's going to be different. But how different
Speaker 1: do you think it's going to be? The system? Now?
Speaker 1: Culley does tell you a lot, but he's not going
Speaker 1: to show his whole hand here, of course, because if
Speaker 1: there is one thing they have, it's the element of
Speaker 1: surprise and they don't want to blow that for opening
Speaker 1: day against Jacksonville. After that, maybe all the hay is
Speaker 1: out of the barn, or the horses out of the barn,
Speaker 1: or the hay is in the bar, whatever. But you
Speaker 1: get my drift here. They're going to try to keep
Speaker 1: it as close to the vest as possible for a while.
Speaker 1: What are you expecting well with Tim, I think the
Speaker 1: biggest thing is just going to be a comfortability factor
Speaker 1: when you consider the art of calling plays, and there's
Speaker 1: definitely a science to part of it, and there's an
Speaker 1: art to part of it as well. You know, one
Speaker 1: of the things that people I think you know, they
Speaker 1: can call plays very very easily from home, but the
Speaker 1: play calling process is extremely difficult. You've got I don't
Speaker 1: know how many ever coaches in your ear. You got
Speaker 1: your head coach down the way who wants one thing.
Speaker 1: You got your coaches up the ear trying to give
Speaker 1: you a down a distance, what hash it's on, who's
Speaker 1: in there, what personnel they have on the defense has
Speaker 1: on the field. You have all those things going around,
Speaker 1: and then you got to look your play card and
Speaker 1: be ready to go. And you got to do all
Speaker 1: this within you know, forty seconds, but shorter than that,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it about twenty seconds to make sure
Speaker 1: that you give you a quarterback an opportunity to get
Speaker 1: up to a lot of Stremmas, see the defense and
Speaker 1: even talk to him in his ear up until fifteen
Speaker 1: seconds are on a play clock, So you basically have
Speaker 1: twenty seconds to have all this chaos going on, and
Speaker 1: then you know, figure out what play you're gonna be,
Speaker 1: what play it's going to be, and make that call
Speaker 1: and get that call clearly your quarterback in his ear
Speaker 1: with the coach comp system. That is not easy. Yes,
Speaker 1: all your armchair quarterbacks out there, oh it's easy. You're
Speaker 1: running the ball. You do this and not that easy
Speaker 1: until you've done it and you can realize how difficult
Speaker 1: it actually is. It takes a little while to get comfortable,
Speaker 1: and it felt like by the end of the year,
Speaker 1: Timmy was getting comfortable with that. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest thing, is that now there's a comfortability factor
Speaker 1: in I've done this before, I've been in this role.
Speaker 1: I know what to expect. I know the things that
Speaker 1: were successful. I know that trusting this coach or like
Speaker 1: just shutting guys off for the first five seconds, or
Speaker 1: inquiring about these certain things before I give the play call,
Speaker 1: those things are all hugely important. Here's the last one.
Speaker 1: As crazy as it sounds, spitting on that play call,
Speaker 1: that can be fourteen fifteen sixteen words to your quarterback,
Speaker 1: getting all of that out, just saying it and making
Speaker 1: sure that the home makes sense. Is that also is
Speaker 1: a factor too. So you gotta do all that with
Speaker 1: about twenty seconds. I think tim is just going to
Speaker 1: be more comfortable in doing that. In twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: and once you find that comfort, it's gonna make it dimachasier.
Speaker 1: The other thing about it, Mark is I remember the
Speaker 1: very first year I call plays, and I mean obviously
Speaker 1: on a different, you know level, but I remember after
Speaker 1: going back and self scouting at the end of the
Speaker 1: year and I'm like, oh my god, what did I
Speaker 1: do there? Okay, I'm changing this and we're gonna do
Speaker 1: it this way going forward. And you just know what
Speaker 1: adjustments in what changes to make, and if you see
Speaker 1: a particular defense, you know this is the adjustment you
Speaker 1: want to make. Those are all the things you can
Speaker 1: do and self scout after the year, and I know
Speaker 1: that Timmy's gone through and done that. I would imagine
Speaker 1: every single game and figured out every single play, and
Speaker 1: he's now in a second year being able to call plays,
Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be huge for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it should be. And it's funny you mentioned how long
Speaker 1: it takes to even say the name of the play.
Speaker 1: I was once doing a luncheon with Job and that
Speaker 1: question came up from a fan. It was a great question.
Speaker 1: Can you just say the name of a play? You know,
Speaker 1: we're at a dinner or something. It was a luncheon,
Speaker 1: dinner or whatever it was a meal, and he said
Speaker 1: the name of a play, and it went on and
Speaker 1: on and on, and I thought, jeez, how do you
Speaker 1: spit that out in time? As you say, you have
Speaker 1: fifteen second deadline, right, and then he's got to be
Speaker 1: able to say the play to the teammates and then
Speaker 1: spot anything that needs to be addressed at the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. So all that stuff happens very quickly. And
Speaker 1: I think if you got one thing out of last year,
Speaker 1: you had Tim Kelly on the job training Bill O'Brien Gonn.
Speaker 1: After week four he had to be the guy coaching
Speaker 1: the offense and he took it over. And it didn't
Speaker 1: transform instantly, but as the year went on, it really
Speaker 1: got better. You know, it really got better. We saw
Speaker 1: those last three games the running game got better. That
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Now, I'll ask you another question, James
Speaker 1: camp and is the offensive line coach. He's getting his
Speaker 1: first taste of action with these guys, the guys who
Speaker 1: were incumbents and the guys who are new And what
Speaker 1: do you think the effect is going to be of
Speaker 1: Camping And however they organize things with the guys up
Speaker 1: front with this old line because it's going to be different.
Speaker 1: You hope it's better. What do you expecting, Well, I
Speaker 1: expected to be better. I mean he was with the
Speaker 1: Packers for eleven years. I mean he was instrumental and
Speaker 1: taking a guy like David Baktiari fourth round pick and
Speaker 1: turning him into one of the best, if not the best,
Speaker 1: left tackles in the game. And that Green Bay offensive
Speaker 1: line was always successful, whether it was far whether it
Speaker 1: was Rogers, it was always a successful unit as long
Speaker 1: as they could stay healthy. And that was kind of
Speaker 1: the key at the end. You know, Lane Taylor signed
Speaker 1: with the Texans his last year that he played where
Speaker 1: he was healthy. It was twenty the beginning the right
Speaker 1: to the beginning of twenty nineteen, and that was not
Speaker 1: well that there wasn't much there twenty He almost have
Speaker 1: to go back to twenty eighteen to see him play
Speaker 1: in full. But that was another guy that Camping helped
Speaker 1: develop when he got to Green Bay. So it's the
Speaker 1: development to me of players. It wasn't that they got
Speaker 1: a bunch of first round draft picks or second round
Speaker 1: draft picks, and he made those guys. You know, those
Speaker 1: guys were really good players. And they remained good players.
Speaker 1: He took third, fourth, fifth round guys and turned them
Speaker 1: into excellent offensive linemen, and that, to me is is
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that development into tremendous football players up front.
Speaker 1: I think you combine that with what's here. There are
Speaker 1: a ton of events, but there are some young dudes,
Speaker 1: I mean, Tydus Howard Max sharpin going into year number three.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna be hearing things differently for the first
Speaker 1: time after hearing it from Mike Devil, They're gonna be
Speaker 1: hearing it from James Camping, and with the success camp
Speaker 1: and has had, hopefully that's gonna be something that you know,
Speaker 1: those two players in particular are able to grab onto
Speaker 1: and learn from, and then there are some veterans coming
Speaker 1: in that all together, hopefully it's going to make for
Speaker 1: a pretty cerebral offensive line room. And that's what you want.
Speaker 1: But you obviously proofs of the putting. But it just
Speaker 1: seems that James Camping is a guy that has developed
Speaker 1: players all along. Wherever he's been, Packers's with the Browns
Speaker 1: for a year, Chargers don't matter. He has developed offensive
Speaker 1: lineman very very well, and hopefully that's gonna be something
Speaker 1: that even established veterans it guy like Laramie got Laramie
Speaker 1: gets better because of James Camping's influenced. So I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see what James Camping can do for this offense.
Speaker 1: But you bring in James Camping at Pep Hamilton among others. Offensively,
Speaker 1: those are two pretty well respected position coaches throughout NFL,
Speaker 1: throughout college. Those guys really know how to get it
Speaker 1: done at those particular positions. Camp on the offensive line
Speaker 1: a Pep Hamilton a quarterback, So I feel like there's
Speaker 1: just more offensive brain firepower that is going to help
Speaker 1: make that unit that much better weekend and week out.
Speaker 1: All right, quarterback position. Obviously, we still have the humongous
Speaker 1: story out there, very serious story with Watson, and we
Speaker 1: don't know how it's all going to resolve itself. Obviously,
Speaker 1: A ton is out of the control of any of us.
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about who's available, right, and that
Speaker 1: would be Tarrod Taylor, Davis Mills, Ryan Finley, Mills. Over
Speaker 1: the weekend of the rookie camp, you have Taylor. I
Speaker 1: ask actually asked Coach Culley about Taylor on a partner's call,
Speaker 1: and we'll play those comments later on this week, you
Speaker 1: know what he brings to the table, especially in this
Speaker 1: particular situation with all the unknowns. But your take on
Speaker 1: Mills and Taylor and what's going on right now, because
Speaker 1: you have, you know, the availability of such and you
Speaker 1: got to get ready. I mean, you have to get
Speaker 1: as many guys ready as possible, there's no question. And
Speaker 1: for Davis Mills, I mean, obviously his head's probably got
Speaker 1: to be spinning in some respects. There are probably going
Speaker 1: to be some things he hears that he's like, Yo, wait,
Speaker 1: I know that one. I know that one, but it's late,
Speaker 1: you know, the offensive the off season. I was just
Speaker 1: talking to somebody a little while ago up the off season.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a great it's a great time because
Speaker 1: there's no game at the end of the week. You
Speaker 1: don't have to be stressed about that. You just go
Speaker 1: out to coach ball, learn a little something, and go
Speaker 1: from there. But for these rookies in particular, they get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to learn. But man, they're learning at a rate,
Speaker 1: probably faster than they ever have. And I think that's
Speaker 1: the biggest thing. And hopefully Davis can pick all of
Speaker 1: that up and soaking in from to Rod Taylor. Just
Speaker 1: listening to Rod and things that he says and how
Speaker 1: he goes about his business. That's a that's a massive
Speaker 1: part of the education. I mean, I think about just
Speaker 1: the things that I've learned over the years. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: gonna sound funny, but just shutting up and just listening
Speaker 1: to people talk and listening to what they say. And
Speaker 1: there they may not even know in the room what
Speaker 1: they've said could strike a chord with somebody and could
Speaker 1: be something that they learned from. They mightn't even know
Speaker 1: they're doing it, but they just might be talking football
Speaker 1: and that might be something that a young player over
Speaker 1: here is and goes, oh wait a second, I needed
Speaker 1: to write head down or I need to get on
Speaker 1: top of that. So I think that's what it is.
Speaker 1: For Davis Mills is just soaking it up just like
Speaker 1: a sponge every day. And then for Tarrad it's and
Speaker 1: I know this is hard because he's been in a
Speaker 1: situation where there was a first round draft pick in
Speaker 1: Cleveland with him, in Baker Mayfield, there was justin Herbert
Speaker 1: with the Chargers. It was going to be a matter
Speaker 1: of a time before those first round picks got on
Speaker 1: the field. Unfortunately, because Tarrod got hurt into those two places,
Speaker 1: it was a lot sooner than later. But it's another
Speaker 1: Now it's a third round pick, but it was the
Speaker 1: first pick the Texans had. Here's another rookie, he's been
Speaker 1: through this situation before. It is tiring, it's tough, it's frustrating.
Speaker 1: But what we know about Tarrod Taylor is he's a
Speaker 1: tremendous professional and he's going to try and help Davis
Speaker 1: Mill if at all possible, for as long as Davis
Speaker 1: wants to soak it in. And that's why Davis just
Speaker 1: takes it all in. And to Rot is there to
Speaker 1: help that, but also to get himself ready to play
Speaker 1: if indeed he is needed to play. And Ryan Finley
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing like an opportunity and he's looking at
Speaker 1: it going, hey, why not mean, why why can't I
Speaker 1: be a part of this mix? And you're coming on
Speaker 1: in C State, he was pretty highly thought of, you know,
Speaker 1: he was a guy. Ironically to me that reminded me
Speaker 1: when I went back and did Davis Mills and studied him.
Speaker 1: Ryan Finley was the name that came to mind as
Speaker 1: I was watching Davis Mills. So they're they're somewhat similar.
Speaker 1: So you've got, you know, these three guys, and obviously
Speaker 1: we know that the situation is up in the air
Speaker 1: and no idea really about it. But from those three guys,
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is make sure that, from a playbook standpoint,
Speaker 1: that when you go on the field, everybody's gonna be
Speaker 1: looking at you. Everybody's gonna be looking at you. Did
Speaker 1: I line up right? Am I in the right spot?
Speaker 1: Am I the ball? I'm off the ball? At ZM
Speaker 1: I and ax, hey tight end? Should I be on
Speaker 1: the ball? I'm off the ball, I'm over here. As
Speaker 1: a quarterback, you're that guy. You're the guy says nope,
Speaker 1: on the ball, off move shift, You're doing all that.
Speaker 1: You've got to make sure that when you got on
Speaker 1: the field with those guys, they get that, they understand
Speaker 1: that they can turn to you and they're not totally
Speaker 1: sure and you're able to say there over here next
Speaker 1: to me up by the time, you've got to be
Speaker 1: able to direct them in that particular way. If you
Speaker 1: don't build that trust, then these offensive players are wayward.
Speaker 1: They're like, well, I can't on my quarterback. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? Now it's on them to
Speaker 1: know what they're doing, but to have that resource out
Speaker 1: on the field, those three quarterbacks have got to provide
Speaker 1: that for those players, all right, So flipping sides of
Speaker 1: the ball. Here we are in phase two, Johnny and
Speaker 1: Lovey Smith coaching this D trying to get it ready,
Speaker 1: trying to get it in mid season form a SAP.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're there yet. Okay, we haven't even
Speaker 1: hit training camp yet. Can't wait for the season games.
Speaker 1: By the way, that's gonna be so much fun to
Speaker 1: see preseason games and just get a taste of what
Speaker 1: this bunch can do and where they need to improve
Speaker 1: and what looks good, what needs work. Anyway, so you
Speaker 1: have Lovey Smith's Tampa two. How does Zach Cunningham fit
Speaker 1: in to this particular D. How do you see things
Speaker 1: sort of shaping up from where we are right now?
Speaker 1: I know things can change, but what is your thought
Speaker 1: on what could be accomplished here? Well? I think that
Speaker 1: Zach Cuttingham fits this defense about as well as a
Speaker 1: linebacker could fit it, and love me is going to
Speaker 1: ask his linebackers to do a ton in this defense,
Speaker 1: obviously stopping the runnings a massive deal. I mean, especially
Speaker 1: in this division with Jacksonville, James Robinson, now Travis etn
Speaker 1: with that guy up in Tennessee, oh good grief Taylor,
Speaker 1: then Jonathan Taylor, Marlin Mac. You got to be able
Speaker 1: to stop the run. But what all, every single one
Speaker 1: of those guys that I that we mentioned is also
Speaker 1: a pretty good pass receiver. So those linebackers have got
Speaker 1: to be able to stay in the field, play the run,
Speaker 1: but then be able to cover receivers out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: And in Love's defense, the one thing a linebacker is
Speaker 1: going to have to do is be able to run
Speaker 1: down the middle of the field in that Tampa two
Speaker 1: because in a traditional Tampa two you have two safeties
Speaker 1: covered two as of the field. But what Tony Dunge
Speaker 1: Lovey Smith over the years crafted was, look, let's let
Speaker 1: those safeties play wider and let's let our middle linebacker
Speaker 1: run down the middle of the field to allow those
Speaker 1: safeties if there's a ball in the middle, to give
Speaker 1: them more time to get there. So they're just covering
Speaker 1: more ground. And so that's where Brian or Locker came
Speaker 1: in and it was a perfect fit. Now, Zach is
Speaker 1: not the size of Brian R. Locker, But he definitely
Speaker 1: has the speed, got a rod he's got and he's
Speaker 1: got to and you've got to be able to run
Speaker 1: as linebacker in this this defense, man, you cannot be
Speaker 1: just a gap plugger. You can't just be a guy
Speaker 1: that plays on first down comes off the field. And
Speaker 1: I think Zach is that guy we've seen develop over
Speaker 1: the years. Now he still has he still has some
Speaker 1: things he's got to clean up in his game, especially
Speaker 1: from a coverage and from a coverage standpoint, and I
Speaker 1: think from the run game, he's very, very comfortable. He
Speaker 1: relies on instincts and there might be some different reads
Speaker 1: and some things that might be different in this defense
Speaker 1: than it was in previous defense. But the key for
Speaker 1: him is sea ball, fine ball, tackle the guy with
Speaker 1: the ball. I mean that's pretty much it seaball fine
Speaker 1: ball and that's it, and that's whatever the defense is.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest key for him, and I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna fit this defense. I think there are two players
Speaker 1: that really are going to benefit from the change in schemes,
Speaker 1: and one being Zach Cuttingham, the other being Ross Blacklock.
Speaker 1: Up front. I think this defense has made for Ross.
Speaker 1: He is a guy that wants to get up fielding,
Speaker 1: wants to penetrate. I do think that in time, Ross
Speaker 1: could develop into a very very good three four defensive end,
Speaker 1: a guy that could play different spots on three four,
Speaker 1: but he's a four three three technique. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the way he's built. That's the way he played at TCU,
Speaker 1: and hopefully that's what he gets back to here, because
Speaker 1: I think if he gets back to that provides not
Speaker 1: only the ability to take on blockers, but the ability
Speaker 1: to speed past them and be disruptive and chaotic up
Speaker 1: the field. That's gonna be a little different, and that's
Speaker 1: gonna make things different for these offenses. We've got to
Speaker 1: face them. So I think Zach Cuttingham and Ross Blacklock
Speaker 1: are gonna be two guys that end up benefiting from
Speaker 1: this change in defense from three four to four three.
Speaker 1: All Right, So they're also working on special teams, of
Speaker 1: course they always do, and I think that based on
Speaker 1: who they acquired this offseason, they got a lot of
Speaker 1: options in return ability. I mean, kickoff returns, plunt returns.
Speaker 1: They's got a lot of different directions they can go.
Speaker 1: It's got to be like a congo line when they're
Speaker 1: out there trying to return punts. You know, they're not
Speaker 1: enough reps to go around for all the possibilities they have.
Speaker 1: You know, when you go from Andre Roberts on down,
Speaker 1: they got a lot of different guys who could possibly
Speaker 1: handle the role. And I like that situation. I don't
Speaker 1: know who the gunners are gonna be or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but again, they've got a lot of bodies for that too,
Speaker 1: because anybody coming in here, they know, look, I better
Speaker 1: play special teams for the most part. All right, not
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna do it, but for the most part, you've
Speaker 1: got a lot of guys who want to hang their
Speaker 1: hat on something. Make that final fifty three. You better
Speaker 1: play special And it's not like they have a plethora
Speaker 1: of rookies to go to. These veterans are going to
Speaker 1: have to help, there's no doubt. And when you look
Speaker 1: at the guys that have that were signed, I can
Speaker 1: look at each rom and go, well, this guy played
Speaker 1: special teams for a while. This guy played it for
Speaker 1: a while, this guy played it for a while. You
Speaker 1: see guys that not only played special teams, but excelled
Speaker 1: on special teams. And that's something that no matter what
Speaker 1: kind of offense, what kind of defense you have. You
Speaker 1: got to be able to ball out on special teams,
Speaker 1: and it got to a point last year with guys
Speaker 1: that were hurt and banged up. The special teams suffered
Speaker 1: more than anything else because now you're taking guys that
Speaker 1: were typically on special teams and now they're getting one
Speaker 1: hundred percent of the reps. I think of Keiana Cross
Speaker 1: and Keian was one of the better special teams guys
Speaker 1: in the entire league. But Kean had to come off
Speaker 1: special teams for the most part because he had to
Speaker 1: play full time corner in the last two three weeks
Speaker 1: of the year. So now your special teams are without
Speaker 1: one of the better players in that particular group, and
Speaker 1: that was an issue. So first of all, guys hopefully
Speaker 1: can stay healthy, but you're also going to have I
Speaker 1: think a bigger pool to pick from for guys that
Speaker 1: will go down on special teams and be a factor
Speaker 1: on special teams. I'm curious to see how that part
Speaker 1: of it plays out. But you know as well as
Speaker 1: I do, that they're gonna be some guys on the
Speaker 1: bubble and it gets decided by this guy plays special
Speaker 1: teams and that guy tries, but it is not very
Speaker 1: good on special teams, or that guy doesn't play special teams.
Speaker 1: We know how that cut is gonna go down. We
Speaker 1: know how it's going down. If it's close the guy
Speaker 1: that plays special teams, it can be a factor on
Speaker 1: as many special teams on the four as possible. Is
Speaker 1: gonna end up being on that particular is gonna be
Speaker 1: on the roster, and other guys are gonna end up
Speaker 1: not making a team as a result. But there are
Speaker 1: so many guys that have special teams experience. I think
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna make that group. For Frank Ross special
Speaker 1: teams coordinator, it's gonna make that group that much deeper
Speaker 1: than that it's been, if that's possible. Just the fact
Speaker 1: that you have that many guys that have played special
Speaker 1: teams in the past. Boy, I mean, between the player
Speaker 1: roster and the assistant coach roster, I've got my work
Speaker 1: cut out for me here. You know, this has been
Speaker 1: a lot of work this offseason to get to know
Speaker 1: these guys, and I just can't wait to see them
Speaker 1: really get going in training camp, mini camp and as
Speaker 1: these OTAs evolved. Here all right, one other thing before
Speaker 1: we break Sean of Seth. We're talking about it. David
Speaker 1: Culley called Garrett Wallow a football player, Jesse. Are you
Speaker 1: in on that term or not? Have you? I've definitely
Speaker 1: heard it before. I've heard it, But where have you
Speaker 1: heard it? What's the history with you? Because they were
Speaker 1: reading this and I think it was Seth or one
Speaker 1: of them brought up that. Mark Schlaritz has said it before,
Speaker 1: you know, highly publicly. I mean, I can't remember exactly
Speaker 1: where I've heard of him in so many phrases over
Speaker 1: the years that I've heard, but I feel like being
Speaker 1: in the Southeast Conference area, I've heard I've heard some
Speaker 1: some Southern coaches over the years refer to that as
Speaker 1: such a football player, Jesse. I don't know why I've
Speaker 1: heard that. It just I heard him say that. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I like that term. And then I
Speaker 1: heard Sean going, have you ever heard that? I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I have. So I love all those terms.
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the one about it's not about
Speaker 1: the ex's nose, about the jimmies and Joe's yep, football
Speaker 1: playing Jesse. Those are just straight out there, are straight
Speaker 1: out of South stradiaut of Texas. So I can't pinpoint
Speaker 1: where I've heard it, But I know over the years
Speaker 1: i've heard it. I spent enough time in the southern
Speaker 1: region of the United States, I know i've heard that
Speaker 1: at least once. There's so many different phrases too, not
Speaker 1: necessarily involving names, but like in basketball, I've just heard
Speaker 1: so many coaches say we gotta get after it. We got,
Speaker 1: And I think everybody knows what that means. You know,
Speaker 1: you gotta get after it got you know, we get
Speaker 1: after it? Yeah, why exactly? So my my third year
Speaker 1: in coaching, I moved over to a different school, and
Speaker 1: so we're getting ready for the game, and so coach
Speaker 1: puts up His name is Brady Ackerman. He's now the
Speaker 1: coach at Belleville High School in Florida. He'd been at
Speaker 1: Jackson State for a while, was a Florida Gator silent
Speaker 1: report for a long times, good friend of mine. It's
Speaker 1: my first year coaching with him, and he puts up
Speaker 1: the schedule for the game on the board, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to just check it out just to know when
Speaker 1: my units were going out all out at the very end.
Speaker 1: Game starts at seven thirty and he puts GATA at
Speaker 1: the bottom and I stared at it, and I was like, gata,
Speaker 1: and I could not, for the life of me, figure
Speaker 1: out what gata meant. I'm like, God, it was driving
Speaker 1: me nuts. But I felt like I should have known,
Speaker 1: so I didn't ask, and I'm glad I did. Am
Speaker 1: glad I did didn't ask. I ended up finding out
Speaker 1: what it meant the next day because it was an
Speaker 1: offshoot of what you just said with a bad word
Speaker 1: seemingly at the end, and that sounds like I like that.
Speaker 1: I kind of liked that. I'm going with that, and
Speaker 1: so I would use that whenever I would put up
Speaker 1: my pregame schedule, Gata. And then I had one of
Speaker 1: these kind of young kids who was a little bit
Speaker 1: more bold than I was. It was, hey, coach, what
Speaker 1: is gay? I was like, don't worry about it. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna get after it. We'll be okay. Ye, so exactly. Oh,
Speaker 1: I like that, And I think everybody can guess what
Speaker 1: the acronym stands for. All right, coming up, who's better.
Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. We're gonna play this. We got quarterbacks, we
Speaker 1: have something that you did over the weekend. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do it all. I'm Texans Radio, Mark Vandamarin John Harris
Speaker 1: with you. Great to have you along Tuesday evening, and
Speaker 1: we're doing a show together for the first time and
Speaker 1: almost a week. So that's fun. All right, Ready to
Speaker 1: play who's better? Johnny? It's whose course, let's go. Sometimes
Speaker 1: it's what's better, But in this case, who's better? We're
Speaker 1: gonna go quarterbacks first here and look, Aaron Rodgers, so
Speaker 1: much news on him, Tom Brady with the TV show.
Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a few moments here. But
Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, you have one game. Who you're picking,
Speaker 1: because there's still so many people out there, who's the
Speaker 1: most talented quarterback? He really is the best quarterback right now?
Speaker 1: You got one game to win. Who are you picking? Brady? Oh?
Speaker 1: At their peak, right at their peak after peak up?
Speaker 1: What No, that's what I'm saying, at their peak in
Speaker 1: their careers. Uh yeah, well, uh no, well, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'll take if, if I'll take it, if I've got him, Okay,
Speaker 1: if if I've got to take say the Broncos, and
Speaker 1: I got to win one game with the Broncos, right,
Speaker 1: all things consider it, I'll take Brady. I'll take Brady
Speaker 1: to win one game tomorrow, I'll take Brady. I'm guessing
Speaker 1: it's for the same reasons I would do it. But
Speaker 1: tell me why. Trust I have seen it. I've seen
Speaker 1: him take lesser and make more out of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen him do that. And and and maybe if Rogers,
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe that's why the Broncos have been
Speaker 1: rumored to be going after Aaron Rodgers because George Payton
Speaker 1: the GM was a Minnesota Viking. He's sorry in Rodgers
Speaker 1: twice a year. Well, we've seen Tom Brady every year.
Speaker 1: We've seen Tom Brady rip our hearts out when we
Speaker 1: thought we had to win. In twenty seven team, We've
Speaker 1: seen him bring the team back from behind, like, man,
Speaker 1: where this guy come? I mean twenty nineteen, We've got
Speaker 1: a three touchdown lead and all of a sudden's winning
Speaker 1: a touchdown and oh my gosh, they could get the
Speaker 1: ball back and win this thing. Holy smokes. He just
Speaker 1: always gave them a chance. Aaron Rodgers is He's always
Speaker 1: been one of my favorites. And I go back to
Speaker 1: that year because I always thought that the fort Nighters
Speaker 1: made a mistake. I said, Foy the draft right after it,
Speaker 1: the Ford Nighters would have taken Aaron Rodgers. So I've
Speaker 1: always been an Aaron Rodgers guy. But there's just something
Speaker 1: about that one game opportunity. I just know from Brady
Speaker 1: that he will not let his guys lose. He won't
Speaker 1: let him lose, and he'll find a way. He'll find
Speaker 1: a way to beat you in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: And to make a comparison, that was Jordan. Jordan may
Speaker 1: not score forty, he made. He just was gonna find
Speaker 1: a way to beat you. That's all he had to
Speaker 1: do is beat you on that day. He would find
Speaker 1: a way to do that. Or that's a magic same way, yeah,
Speaker 1: same way. And and look, I the inlaws are Giants
Speaker 1: fans because they're from New York originally. Right, So the
Speaker 1: vander Kidd and the inlaws. We're watching the replay of
Speaker 1: the Giants Patriots first Super Bowl right where the Patriots
Speaker 1: are trying to go and defeated and the Giants are
Speaker 1: nine and seven going in the postseason. We all know
Speaker 1: the rest of the story. But the Patriots score late
Speaker 1: in that game to go up and Randy Moss catches
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Brady in that game doesn't look that hot,
Speaker 1: you know. Look, they could have made a stop the
Speaker 1: Patriots and they win the Super Bowl. Right, they didn't
Speaker 1: do it, but he doesn't look that hot, but he
Speaker 1: just knows where to go with the football. Not everything
Speaker 1: is perfect. I think Aaron Rodgers is probably more athletically talented.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not a stretch, but there's just
Speaker 1: something about the winner mentality, and it's hard to define.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of intangible stuff, but it's very tangible
Speaker 1: when you look at the trophies. All right, next, who's better?
Speaker 1: Let's go old school quarterbacks? Are you ready? Okay? I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna go Auto Graham on you the way I did.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little newer, old school. Who's better?
Speaker 1: Jim Plunkett or Joe Thiseman. Who's better? They faced each
Speaker 1: other in a Super Bowl. Tisman got blown out, but
Speaker 1: we all know there's more to the career than that
Speaker 1: for both these guys. However, they both had some rocky roads,
Speaker 1: so give it to me. Plunkett won two Super Bowls,
Speaker 1: but he was originally drafted by the Patriots, didn't work
Speaker 1: out there with the Raiders, didn't always work out there either,
Speaker 1: but he kind of surfaced when he needed to to
Speaker 1: win those two Super Bowls in eighty and eighty four. Right,
Speaker 1: thisman won the strite shortened Super Bowl eighty two season
Speaker 1: when they beat the Dolphins, and the next year they
Speaker 1: got back to the Super Bowl but obviously lost to
Speaker 1: the Raiders. So who do you think who's better thisman
Speaker 1: or Plunkett? I think, overall, fivesman was more talented. I mean,
Speaker 1: thisman went to the CFL and played I think he
Speaker 1: played receiver or played a different position in the CFL,
Speaker 1: and then came to the NFL after that. I think
Speaker 1: Plunkett was a better overall quarterback, and I would trust
Speaker 1: plunk It in a tough situation to come back and
Speaker 1: deal with adversity. The reason that it didn't stick for
Speaker 1: Plunkett early was the fact that he was stuck on
Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers and Patriots, and those were two
Speaker 1: of the worst teams at that time. Yeah, all of
Speaker 1: football in football history. Those teams were awful. If you
Speaker 1: would have given Jim Plunkett the opportunity to play with
Speaker 1: the fun Bunch and the eighty three team formerly known
Speaker 1: as the Redskins, I'm Plunkin puts up those same numbers,
Speaker 1: if not better numbers. I'm going Jim Plunkett over thisman.
Speaker 1: Even though I think Thivesman was a better athlete, I
Speaker 1: think Plunkett was a better overall quarterback. I mean, you
Speaker 1: look at thisman with the Hogs in front of him
Speaker 1: and John Riggins run of the rock the way they did.
Speaker 1: Didn't Riggins have some obscene number of touchdowns in eighty
Speaker 1: three eighty four? I mean, just ridiculous gobs of touchdowns
Speaker 1: and obviously thisman was the beneficiary of that. I think
Speaker 1: both guys are good, but I'm with you there. I
Speaker 1: think probably plunk it all right? Who's better? You're ready
Speaker 1: for this one? Now? I know that you watched Sam
Speaker 1: Houston State win the national championship over the weekend. You've
Speaker 1: done many of their games over the years, here, Johnny,
Speaker 1: and you've interviewed Casey Killer. I've only interviewed him a
Speaker 1: couple of times, but you've talked to him a lot.
Speaker 1: So who's better, Casey Killer or half the Division one
Speaker 1: head coaches in America? Because Casey Killer? What does the
Speaker 1: guy have to do? I don't know if he wants
Speaker 1: a job in Division one in FBS, if you will,
Speaker 1: I don't know if he wants one. But my goodness,
Speaker 1: Delaware here. Wherever he goes, he just wins, Johnny, all
Speaker 1: he does is win. What's the problem here? Is there
Speaker 1: a problem? Come on? I don't know. I think this
Speaker 1: championship should open people's eyes, especially the fact that it
Speaker 1: was in the spring. And there's a part of me
Speaker 1: that doesn't even want to talk about it because I
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to think about Sam
Speaker 1: Houston State without Casey. But he wanted Division three championship
Speaker 1: at Rowan, then he goes to Delaware, played in it
Speaker 1: three times, coaching at three times, won it in two
Speaker 1: thousand and three, and then got Sam Houston back with
Speaker 1: a group that he absolutely loved. It was it was
Speaker 1: just it was a blast talking to him all year
Speaker 1: long at different iterations of the season and doing his games.
Speaker 1: And then I talked to him last week. He just
Speaker 1: he loved this team. But I've said it for a
Speaker 1: long time. I think he's a whale of a coach.
Speaker 1: The question to me is, because he is so successful,
Speaker 1: I don't know that he would want to take a
Speaker 1: bottom wrong Power five job if it just was you know,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna beat your head up against the wall
Speaker 1: against Alabama and Auburn or you know LSU or whom
Speaker 1: A D A and M. Now. I mean it's but
Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a there's a there's a
Speaker 1: situation out there for him. You know, Willie Fritz ended
Speaker 1: up taking Sam Houston to Frisco. Then he went to
Speaker 1: Georgia's Southern and he went to Tulane. And I think
Speaker 1: Willie's in a really good situation with Tulane. I think
Speaker 1: Casey gave him the same opportunity, would do the same thing.
Speaker 1: Um you know, like and you know, if if Casey
Speaker 1: would have gotten the opportunity to UCF, I mean that
Speaker 1: program would be just as well off as it would
Speaker 1: be with Gus Malson. I think Casey is one of
Speaker 1: the hidden unearthed gems in coaching in college football at
Speaker 1: any level. And there's a guy that just took the
Speaker 1: Kansas job that it reminds me of an as Lance Leephold.
Speaker 1: He was a championship winning coach at Wisconsin Whitewater. Then
Speaker 1: he takes the Buffalo job and gets Buffalo going university Buffalo,
Speaker 1: makes them a consistent winner. And then Kansas fires last
Speaker 1: Miles and the ad and they reach out and they
Speaker 1: get Leopold this spring, and I think it's gonna make
Speaker 1: Kansas better in the long run because he's a whale
Speaker 1: of football coach. So sometimes those are guys I want
Speaker 1: more so than anybody else because they know what it's like.
Speaker 1: They know what it's like when the facilities aren't the greatest.
Speaker 1: They know what it's like when they're not, you know,
Speaker 1: getting all the money, or the trips aren't you know,
Speaker 1: so glorious, or you know, the locker room isn't the greatest.
Speaker 1: They know how to make the most of whatever they have.
Speaker 1: And that's what Casey Keeler is, That's what Lance Leapold is,
Speaker 1: And I know LANs is gonna do a great job
Speaker 1: in Kansas. I think Casey I want to see him
Speaker 1: stay in the same Houston for a long time. But
Speaker 1: seeming to other championships, you're only coach to have two
Speaker 1: FCS championships at two different schools. So congratulations to him,
Speaker 1: but I'm taking Casey over half. Do you want for sure?
Speaker 1: If you can win at Delaware and when it's Sam
Speaker 1: Houston State, you're good at recruiting and coaching because they're
Speaker 1: very different situations. It's not like McNeice and Sam Houston state.
Speaker 1: I know those are different, but they're not as different Delaware.
Speaker 1: And look, I've done games at Delaware. Delaware is a
Speaker 1: unique situation. Yes, you own the state, and you know
Speaker 1: they draw twenty twenty five thousand up there every time.
Speaker 1: I mean, it really is a cool place. Anyway, Let's
Speaker 1: get on to the next one. Who's better? All right?
Speaker 1: Since we're on the subject of FCS. They just had
Speaker 1: the championship over the weekend, and I know that it
Speaker 1: was weird with COVID in the spring, but let's just
Speaker 1: go non COVID here. You tell me the way that
Speaker 1: FBS has done right now with the fourteen playoff or FCS.
Speaker 1: What are you taking? I take FCS all day, every day,
Speaker 1: all right. I had this conversation the other day actually
Speaker 1: with our buddy Dave Fletcher, was watching actually watching a
Speaker 1: championship game of FLETCH, and we were talking about the
Speaker 1: playoff and where it gets dicey getting all the way
Speaker 1: to sixteen teams in FBS is the fact that you
Speaker 1: have twelve games already, then you have a championship conference
Speaker 1: championship game, then all of a sudden, you're gonna play
Speaker 1: four games. On top of that, you're talking about seventeen
Speaker 1: games for college students. Now, that's tough. That's tough. Now again,
Speaker 1: the NFL is playing seventeen but and you're not talking
Speaker 1: all every team's playing seventeen games? How many games? How
Speaker 1: many games is a Texas high school team playing if
Speaker 1: they win the championship or playing the championship game, it
Speaker 1: ends up being I think sixteen? Yeah, so yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Fletch's argument was stronger against that than mine.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's a grind. It is a
Speaker 1: grind once you get into a sixteen team playoff. I've
Speaker 1: said I want six or twelve because I want teams
Speaker 1: to have a buy. I want two teams of the
Speaker 1: six to have a buye. I want four teams in
Speaker 1: the twelve to have a buy just to reward those
Speaker 1: teams that have been that much better than everybody else.
Speaker 1: And I would love to see the Bulls utilized in
Speaker 1: those playoff games. I just know they're not going to.
Speaker 1: So if they're not going to, then just play them
Speaker 1: on campus like you do for the FCS games. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, I went to that JAMU game and it
Speaker 1: was phenomenal. The intensity in that game was just off
Speaker 1: the charts, and they couldn't even have a full crowd,
Speaker 1: but it was electric for an on campus playoff game.
Speaker 1: He imagine on campus playoff game at Alabama or am Michigan.
Speaker 1: I mean it would be incredible, incredible, yep, I love
Speaker 1: to see it. All right, Coming up, Johnny, we have
Speaker 1: one more segment, and these are things that the Texans
Speaker 1: need to keep doing from the spikeling for a twelve
Speaker 1: twenty twenty season, and they do not include anything in
Speaker 1: the passing game. How about that. I've got some things
Speaker 1: for you. Stay tuned. It's Texans Radio. Mark VanderMeer, John
Speaker 1: Harris with you Texans Radio. Okay, Johnny, I said this,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that the Texans went four and twelve
Speaker 1: and twenty twenty, there are some things I'd like them
Speaker 1: them to keep doing. All right, keep doing these things.
Speaker 1: And I know the team's very different, obviously, but I
Speaker 1: liked this. Are you ready? And these don't involve the
Speaker 1: passing game. So before you start or the listening audience
Speaker 1: starts thinking, oh my gosh, Vandermers get No, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna bring anything up like that, but I will bring
Speaker 1: this up. Second fewest penalty yards in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: All right, you didn't have those kinds of errors in
Speaker 1: great volume. Also fourth fewest penalties altogether. That ain't bad
Speaker 1: stuff right there. Now, sometimes you have really good teams
Speaker 1: that do commit some penalties. You know, they get a
Speaker 1: little over zealous here and there. You know, you gotta
Speaker 1: get a little aggressive. But I think those are two
Speaker 1: pretty cool things, and I hope those things continue. Well,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no question. In twenty nineteen and Laramy
Speaker 1: struggled with it, he talked about it, you know, the
Speaker 1: false starts and those sort of things. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: five yards year, five yards there? What's the big deal? Man?
Speaker 1: That stuff starts piling up during a game, and a
Speaker 1: drive that's got some promise goes from I mean, how
Speaker 1: many times did we see over the years you get
Speaker 1: down in the red zone? False start? All right? Well,
Speaker 1: instead of being first and goal at the seven, it's
Speaker 1: first and goal at the twelve. The probability of scoring
Speaker 1: goes down immensely from that particular aspect. And if you
Speaker 1: can at least know, hey, we're gonna play a clean game.
Speaker 1: We're gonna play clean game. We're not gonna have a
Speaker 1: bunch of penalties and we're not turning the ball over.
Speaker 1: In the NFL, you're gonna have an opportunity being that
Speaker 1: game college, high school. You can maybe play the perfect
Speaker 1: game game. You just maybe out talented by the South
Speaker 1: like Carol's, the Kadies, the Alabama's of the world, the
Speaker 1: NFL everybody. I'm pretty even playing for the most part.
Speaker 1: You don't turn the ball over, you don't have a
Speaker 1: bunch of penalties, You're going to be in that football game.
Speaker 1: You will be in a football game. You generate a
Speaker 1: turnover coming back your way to get an extra possession,
Speaker 1: you will absolutely be in that game. So to continue
Speaker 1: that trend, no question, that is absolutely be on a
Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt key throw on top of that
Speaker 1: improvement in the run game. So limiting the penalties the
Speaker 1: same way improving the run game. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: be you know, mister old Scalell. You know you control
Speaker 1: the clock and you keep them off the field. But this,
Speaker 1: this might be that kind of offense that has that
Speaker 1: has to do that, right, I'm fine with that. If
Speaker 1: they've got to take up thirty four, thirty five, thirty
Speaker 1: six minutes of game clock, rock on. As long as
Speaker 1: there are points at the end of those particular long drives. Yes, yes, look,
Speaker 1: we all know the offense at times last year was explosive,
Speaker 1: no doubt, yards per play, you lead the league and
Speaker 1: all of that, but you only have four wins to
Speaker 1: show for. It's because you weren't able to run the ball. Well,
Speaker 1: you couldn't take the ball away. We've talked about those
Speaker 1: things at awful Up here's another one for you in
Speaker 1: an instance. Okay, because the last three games of the season,
Speaker 1: we've talked about the fact that David Johnson averaged over
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty yards from scrimmage in those last
Speaker 1: three games. I want to see that kind of production
Speaker 1: from the backs, if David's playing a lot, or Philip Lindsay,
Speaker 1: or if it's Ingram whoever, Let's see that continue that
Speaker 1: trend of getting something out of these backs that they
Speaker 1: had in the last three games. Let's keep that going
Speaker 1: into twenty twenty one. I know the team's different lines,
Speaker 1: different coaches are different, but Tim Kelly still here's the OC.
Speaker 1: Gotta get the backs really productive like that. Well, the
Speaker 1: especially the last game or two, and didn't have Laramie,
Speaker 1: didn't have Titus. You're playing with Rod and Charlie, heck
Speaker 1: as your tackles and you still were running the ball
Speaker 1: right pretty well. And I think Rod's come a really
Speaker 1: long way. And Charlie did show me something those last
Speaker 1: couple of games that wasn't there in training camp at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. Is it perfect. No, But
Speaker 1: those guys got on the field and they mix it
Speaker 1: up a little bit. They got people pushed off the
Speaker 1: ball a little bit. They gave David Johnson the opportunity
Speaker 1: to make a decision and make and ended up being
Speaker 1: a positive one because they stayed on blocks. They ran
Speaker 1: that zone game. And I think that was the other
Speaker 1: thing too that they were able to find at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, and that is, Hey, David Johnson
Speaker 1: in particular, he's a pretty good zone runner. If you
Speaker 1: get him going on a zone track, he has good
Speaker 1: eyes for that, he has good vision for that, he
Speaker 1: knows where the cutback is. He can stay frontside if
Speaker 1: he needs to. But he's a good zone running back
Speaker 1: and I think they really found that. So combined with
Speaker 1: how they were getting guys and moved up front a
Speaker 1: little bit with David, they put that mix together. The
Speaker 1: net goes back. I think that Tim Kelly's saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: wait a second, this might be what we are. That's okay,
Speaker 1: that's all right. Hey, I really want to do this.
Speaker 1: I've had that. I've had an epiphany as a coach, like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I want to throw the football. But
Speaker 1: if I throw the football, we're gonna get beat forty
Speaker 1: eight to nothing. This game will gone forever. So you
Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna try and run the rock a
Speaker 1: little bit, and lo behold, every week we got better
Speaker 1: running the ball. Before you know it, we ended up
Speaker 1: being instead of a seventy thirty throwing team, we were
Speaker 1: more like a seventy thirty running team. And that we
Speaker 1: found our core confidence. We found what we were. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what Tim was able to find with
Speaker 1: the running game, that hey, this is what we are
Speaker 1: and what we can be. And now, with some Madden
Speaker 1: pieces in there, Philip Lindsay and mark Ingram, along with
Speaker 1: the guys up front Marcus Cannon, britt Lane Taylor, Justin McCray,
Speaker 1: along with hopefully the return of Titus Howard from injury,
Speaker 1: that can end up being a really good offensive line
Speaker 1: that can physically take over at times and do it
Speaker 1: more than just at times, that would be really kind
Speaker 1: of nice. Well, the only play calling I've done is
Speaker 1: flag football, and I think it should be illegal to
Speaker 1: run the ball in flag football. To me, it's like cheating.
Speaker 1: I don't like to do it, John, even with my
Speaker 1: eight year olds, I don't like. I don't like running
Speaker 1: the ball. I want to throw the ball every time,
Speaker 1: even if it's a two yard pass. Throw the ball.
Speaker 1: It's flag football, for crying out loud, not I mean,
Speaker 1: come on, anyway, don't get me started. I'm flag football.
Speaker 1: I love it, and it should not. You should not
Speaker 1: be allowed to run the ball unless they're kindergarten kids.
Speaker 1: That is my stance. Anyway, my friend, that's gonna do
Speaker 1: it for the show tonight. Thank you Eddy for producing.
Speaker 1: I have a great night everyone. This show will be
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