1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the program that gets you 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: inside and RG Stadium. Mark Vandermayer with you with John Harris, 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: back together again. It's been a while. It's been almost 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: a week since we've done a program together, Johnny, and 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: it's great to be on with you. We have a 6 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: lot to catch up. Are you ready to go, my friend? 7 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: Of course, we do have plenty to get caught up 8 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: on each day. Inching ever so closely to the end 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: of the off season, in the beginning of training camp. Oh, 10 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: I can't get here fast enough. I know. Well, it's 11 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: May eighteenth, and it's flying. I gotta say it's flying, 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: because you know, the off season gets started and you 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: have some events and we really haven't had it the 14 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: way it's usually been because of COVID, and now we're 15 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: coming out of COVID. But you look at the calendar 16 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: and you realize it's gonna be here before you know it. 17 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 1: You know, in two months, it's just basically the eve 18 00:00:46,200 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: of training camp and there you go off and running. 19 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: They're in phase two right now, the off season program. 20 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: And I've got a loaded question for you to start 21 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: off the show. Heh boy, loaded question. Will Tim Kelly 22 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: be different better? How will he be second year as 23 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator? Now it's his third year really, but 24 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: second year as a play caller? And what do you 25 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: think last year did for him? Because he's very active 26 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: out there right now, active with the rookies, active with 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: the veterans. I mean, he's the offensive coordinator and obviously 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: with the help of Pep Hamilton and the influence of 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: David Culley, it's going to be different. But how different 30 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: do you think it's going to be? The system? Now? 31 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: Culley does tell you a lot, but he's not going 32 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: to show his whole hand here, of course, because if 33 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: there is one thing they have, it's the element of 34 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: surprise and they don't want to blow that for opening 35 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: day against Jacksonville. After that, maybe all the hay is 36 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: out of the barn, or the horses out of the barn, 37 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: or the hay is in the bar, whatever. But you 38 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: get my drift here. They're going to try to keep 39 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: it as close to the vest as possible for a while. 40 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: What are you expecting well with Tim, I think the 41 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: biggest thing is just going to be a comfortability factor 42 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: when you consider the art of calling plays, and there's 43 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: definitely a science to part of it, and there's an 44 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: art to part of it as well. You know, one 45 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: of the things that people I think you know, they 46 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: can call plays very very easily from home, but the 47 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: play calling process is extremely difficult. You've got I don't 48 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 1: know how many ever coaches in your ear. You got 49 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,119 Speaker 1: your head coach down the way who wants one thing. 50 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: You got your coaches up the ear trying to give 51 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: you a down a distance, what hash it's on, who's 52 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: in there, what personnel they have on the defense has 53 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: on the field. You have all those things going around, 54 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: and then you got to look your play card and 55 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: be ready to go. And you got to do all 56 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: this within you know, forty seconds, but shorter than that, 57 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: you gotta do it about twenty seconds to make sure 58 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: that you give you a quarterback an opportunity to get 59 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: up to a lot of Stremmas, see the defense and 60 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: even talk to him in his ear up until fifteen 61 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: seconds are on a play clock, So you basically have 62 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: twenty seconds to have all this chaos going on, and 63 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: then you know, figure out what play you're gonna be, 64 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: what play it's going to be, and make that call 65 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: and get that call clearly your quarterback in his ear 66 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: with the coach comp system. That is not easy. Yes, 67 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: all your armchair quarterbacks out there, oh it's easy. You're 68 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: running the ball. You do this and not that easy 69 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: until you've done it and you can realize how difficult 70 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: it actually is. It takes a little while to get comfortable, 71 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: and it felt like by the end of the year, 72 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: Timmy was getting comfortable with that. And I think that's 73 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: the biggest thing, is that now there's a comfortability factor 74 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: in I've done this before, I've been in this role. 75 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: I know what to expect. I know the things that 76 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: were successful. I know that trusting this coach or like 77 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: just shutting guys off for the first five seconds, or 78 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: inquiring about these certain things before I give the play call, 79 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: those things are all hugely important. Here's the last one. 80 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 1: As crazy as it sounds, spitting on that play call, 81 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: that can be fourteen fifteen sixteen words to your quarterback, 82 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: getting all of that out, just saying it and making 83 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: sure that the home makes sense. Is that also is 84 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: a factor too. So you gotta do all that with 85 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: about twenty seconds. I think tim is just going to 86 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: be more comfortable in doing that. In twenty twenty one, 87 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: and once you find that comfort, it's gonna make it dimachasier. 88 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: The other thing about it, Mark is I remember the 89 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: very first year I call plays, and I mean obviously 90 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: on a different, you know level, but I remember after 91 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: going back and self scouting at the end of the 92 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: year and I'm like, oh my god, what did I 93 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: do there? Okay, I'm changing this and we're gonna do 94 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: it this way going forward. And you just know what 95 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: adjustments in what changes to make, and if you see 96 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: a particular defense, you know this is the adjustment you 97 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: want to make. Those are all the things you can 98 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: do and self scout after the year, and I know 99 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: that Timmy's gone through and done that. I would imagine 100 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: every single game and figured out every single play, and 101 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: he's now in a second year being able to call plays, 102 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: and I think it's gonna be huge for him. Yeah, 103 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 1: it should be. And it's funny you mentioned how long 104 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: it takes to even say the name of the play. 105 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I was once doing a luncheon with Job and that 106 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: question came up from a fan. It was a great question. 107 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: Can you just say the name of a play? You know, 108 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 1: we're at a dinner or something. It was a luncheon, 109 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,119 Speaker 1: dinner or whatever it was a meal, and he said 110 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: the name of a play, and it went on and 111 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: on and on, and I thought, jeez, how do you 112 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: spit that out in time? As you say, you have 113 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: fifteen second deadline, right, and then he's got to be 114 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: able to say the play to the teammates and then 115 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: spot anything that needs to be addressed at the line 116 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. So all that stuff happens very quickly. And 117 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: I think if you got one thing out of last year, 118 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: you had Tim Kelly on the job training Bill O'Brien Gonn. 119 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: After week four he had to be the guy coaching 120 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: the offense and he took it over. And it didn't 121 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: transform instantly, but as the year went on, it really 122 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: got better. You know, it really got better. We saw 123 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: those last three games the running game got better. That 124 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Now, I'll ask you another question, James 125 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: camp and is the offensive line coach. He's getting his 126 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: first taste of action with these guys, the guys who 127 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: were incumbents and the guys who are new And what 128 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: do you think the effect is going to be of 129 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: Camping And however they organize things with the guys up 130 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: front with this old line because it's going to be different. 131 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: You hope it's better. What do you expecting, Well, I 132 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: expected to be better. I mean he was with the 133 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: Packers for eleven years. I mean he was instrumental and 134 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: taking a guy like David Baktiari fourth round pick and 135 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: turning him into one of the best, if not the best, 136 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: left tackles in the game. And that Green Bay offensive 137 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: line was always successful, whether it was far whether it 138 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: was Rogers, it was always a successful unit as long 139 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: as they could stay healthy. And that was kind of 140 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: the key at the end. You know, Lane Taylor signed 141 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: with the Texans his last year that he played where 142 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: he was healthy. It was twenty the beginning the right 143 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,119 Speaker 1: to the beginning of twenty nineteen, and that was not 144 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: well that there wasn't much there twenty He almost have 145 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 1: to go back to twenty eighteen to see him play 146 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: in full. But that was another guy that Camping helped 147 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: develop when he got to Green Bay. So it's the 148 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: development to me of players. It wasn't that they got 149 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of first round draft picks or second round 150 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: draft picks, and he made those guys. You know, those 151 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: guys were really good players. And they remained good players. 152 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: He took third, fourth, fifth round guys and turned them 153 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: into excellent offensive linemen, and that, to me is is 154 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that development into tremendous football players up front. 155 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: I think you combine that with what's here. There are 156 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: a ton of events, but there are some young dudes, 157 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean, Tydus Howard Max sharpin going into year number three. 158 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: So they're gonna be hearing things differently for the first 159 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: time after hearing it from Mike Devil, They're gonna be 160 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: hearing it from James Camping, and with the success camp 161 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: and has had, hopefully that's gonna be something that you know, 162 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: those two players in particular are able to grab onto 163 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: and learn from, and then there are some veterans coming 164 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: in that all together, hopefully it's going to make for 165 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: a pretty cerebral offensive line room. And that's what you want. 166 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: But you obviously proofs of the putting. But it just 167 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: seems that James Camping is a guy that has developed 168 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: players all along. Wherever he's been, Packers's with the Browns 169 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: for a year, Chargers don't matter. He has developed offensive 170 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: lineman very very well, and hopefully that's gonna be something 171 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: that even established veterans it guy like Laramie got Laramie 172 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: gets better because of James Camping's influenced. So I'm excited 173 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: to see what James Camping can do for this offense. 174 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: But you bring in James Camping at Pep Hamilton among others. Offensively, 175 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: those are two pretty well respected position coaches throughout NFL, 176 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: throughout college. Those guys really know how to get it 177 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: done at those particular positions. Camp on the offensive line 178 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: a Pep Hamilton a quarterback, So I feel like there's 179 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: just more offensive brain firepower that is going to help 180 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 1: make that unit that much better weekend and week out. 181 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: All right, quarterback position. Obviously, we still have the humongous 182 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: story out there, very serious story with Watson, and we 183 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: don't know how it's all going to resolve itself. Obviously, 184 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: A ton is out of the control of any of us. 185 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 1: So let's just talk about who's available, right, and that 186 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: would be Tarrod Taylor, Davis Mills, Ryan Finley, Mills. Over 187 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: the weekend of the rookie camp, you have Taylor. I 188 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: ask actually asked Coach Culley about Taylor on a partner's call, 189 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: and we'll play those comments later on this week, you 190 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: know what he brings to the table, especially in this 191 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 1: particular situation with all the unknowns. But your take on 192 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: Mills and Taylor and what's going on right now, because 193 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 1: you have, you know, the availability of such and you 194 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: got to get ready. I mean, you have to get 195 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: as many guys ready as possible, there's no question. And 196 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,719 Speaker 1: for Davis Mills, I mean, obviously his head's probably got 197 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: to be spinning in some respects. There are probably going 198 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: to be some things he hears that he's like, Yo, wait, 199 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: I know that one. I know that one, but it's late, 200 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: you know, the offensive the off season. I was just 201 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: talking to somebody a little while ago up the off season. 202 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: You know, it's a great it's a great time because 203 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: there's no game at the end of the week. You 204 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: don't have to be stressed about that. You just go 205 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: out to coach ball, learn a little something, and go 206 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: from there. But for these rookies in particular, they get 207 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: an opportunity to learn. But man, they're learning at a rate, 208 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: probably faster than they ever have. And I think that's 209 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: the biggest thing. And hopefully Davis can pick all of 210 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: that up and soaking in from to Rod Taylor. Just 211 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: listening to Rod and things that he says and how 212 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: he goes about his business. That's a that's a massive 213 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: part of the education. I mean, I think about just 214 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: the things that I've learned over the years. Sometimes it's 215 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: gonna sound funny, but just shutting up and just listening 216 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: to people talk and listening to what they say. And 217 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: there they may not even know in the room what 218 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: they've said could strike a chord with somebody and could 219 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 1: be something that they learned from. They mightn't even know 220 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: they're doing it, but they just might be talking football 221 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: and that might be something that a young player over 222 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: here is and goes, oh wait a second, I needed 223 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: to write head down or I need to get on 224 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: top of that. So I think that's what it is. 225 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: For Davis Mills is just soaking it up just like 226 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: a sponge every day. And then for Tarrad it's and 227 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: I know this is hard because he's been in a 228 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: situation where there was a first round draft pick in 229 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: Cleveland with him, in Baker Mayfield, there was justin Herbert 230 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: with the Chargers. It was going to be a matter 231 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: of a time before those first round picks got on 232 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,680 Speaker 1: the field. Unfortunately, because Tarrod got hurt into those two places, 233 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: it was a lot sooner than later. But it's another 234 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: Now it's a third round pick, but it was the 235 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: first pick the Texans had. Here's another rookie, he's been 236 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: through this situation before. It is tiring, it's tough, it's frustrating. 237 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: But what we know about Tarrod Taylor is he's a 238 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: tremendous professional and he's going to try and help Davis 239 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: Mill if at all possible, for as long as Davis 240 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 1: wants to soak it in. And that's why Davis just 241 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: takes it all in. And to Rot is there to 242 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 1: help that, but also to get himself ready to play 243 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: if indeed he is needed to play. And Ryan Finley 244 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: there's there's nothing like an opportunity and he's looking at 245 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: it going, hey, why not mean, why why can't I 246 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: be a part of this mix? And you're coming on 247 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: in C State, he was pretty highly thought of, you know, 248 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: he was a guy. Ironically to me that reminded me 249 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: when I went back and did Davis Mills and studied him. 250 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: Ryan Finley was the name that came to mind as 251 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: I was watching Davis Mills. So they're they're somewhat similar. 252 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: So you've got, you know, these three guys, and obviously 253 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: we know that the situation is up in the air 254 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: and no idea really about it. But from those three guys, 255 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:53,439 Speaker 1: the biggest thing is make sure that, from a playbook standpoint, 256 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: that when you go on the field, everybody's gonna be 257 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: looking at you. Everybody's gonna be looking at you. Did 258 00:12:58,120 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: I line up right? Am I in the right spot? 259 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: Am I the ball? I'm off the ball? At ZM 260 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: I and ax, hey tight end? Should I be on 261 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: the ball? I'm off the ball, I'm over here. As 262 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 1: a quarterback, you're that guy. You're the guy says nope, 263 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: on the ball, off move shift, You're doing all that. 264 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: You've got to make sure that when you got on 265 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: the field with those guys, they get that, they understand 266 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: that they can turn to you and they're not totally 267 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: sure and you're able to say there over here next 268 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: to me up by the time, you've got to be 269 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 1: able to direct them in that particular way. If you 270 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: don't build that trust, then these offensive players are wayward. 271 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: They're like, well, I can't on my quarterback. Oh my gosh, 272 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: what am I gonna do? Now it's on them to 273 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: know what they're doing, but to have that resource out 274 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: on the field, those three quarterbacks have got to provide 275 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: that for those players, all right, So flipping sides of 276 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 1: the ball. Here we are in phase two, Johnny and 277 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: Lovey Smith coaching this D trying to get it ready, 278 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: trying to get it in mid season form a SAP. 279 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're there yet. Okay, we haven't even 280 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: hit training camp yet. Can't wait for the season games. 281 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: By the way, that's gonna be so much fun to 282 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: see preseason games and just get a taste of what 283 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: this bunch can do and where they need to improve 284 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: and what looks good, what needs work. Anyway, so you 285 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: have Lovey Smith's Tampa two. How does Zach Cunningham fit 286 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:19,560 Speaker 1: in to this particular D. How do you see things 287 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: sort of shaping up from where we are right now? 288 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: I know things can change, but what is your thought 289 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: on what could be accomplished here? Well? I think that 290 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: Zach Cuttingham fits this defense about as well as a 291 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: linebacker could fit it, and love me is going to 292 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: ask his linebackers to do a ton in this defense, 293 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: obviously stopping the runnings a massive deal. I mean, especially 294 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: in this division with Jacksonville, James Robinson, now Travis etn 295 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: with that guy up in Tennessee, oh good grief Taylor, 296 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: then Jonathan Taylor, Marlin Mac. You got to be able 297 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: to stop the run. But what all, every single one 298 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: of those guys that I that we mentioned is also 299 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: a pretty good pass receiver. So those linebackers have got 300 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: to be able to stay in the field, play the run, 301 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: but then be able to cover receivers out of the backfield. 302 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: And in Love's defense, the one thing a linebacker is 303 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: going to have to do is be able to run 304 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: down the middle of the field in that Tampa two 305 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: because in a traditional Tampa two you have two safeties 306 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: covered two as of the field. But what Tony Dunge 307 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: Lovey Smith over the years crafted was, look, let's let 308 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: those safeties play wider and let's let our middle linebacker 309 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: run down the middle of the field to allow those 310 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: safeties if there's a ball in the middle, to give 311 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: them more time to get there. So they're just covering 312 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: more ground. And so that's where Brian or Locker came 313 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: in and it was a perfect fit. Now, Zach is 314 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: not the size of Brian R. Locker, But he definitely 315 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: has the speed, got a rod he's got and he's 316 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: got to and you've got to be able to run 317 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: as linebacker in this this defense, man, you cannot be 318 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: just a gap plugger. You can't just be a guy 319 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: that plays on first down comes off the field. And 320 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: I think Zach is that guy we've seen develop over 321 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: the years. Now he still has he still has some 322 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 1: things he's got to clean up in his game, especially 323 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: from a coverage and from a coverage standpoint, and I 324 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: think from the run game, he's very, very comfortable. He 325 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: relies on instincts and there might be some different reads 326 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: and some things that might be different in this defense 327 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: than it was in previous defense. But the key for 328 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: him is sea ball, fine ball, tackle the guy with 329 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: the ball. I mean that's pretty much it seaball fine 330 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: ball and that's it, and that's whatever the defense is. 331 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: That's the biggest key for him, and I think he's 332 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: gonna fit this defense. I think there are two players 333 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: that really are going to benefit from the change in schemes, 334 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: and one being Zach Cuttingham, the other being Ross Blacklock. 335 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Up front. I think this defense has made for Ross. 336 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: He is a guy that wants to get up fielding, 337 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: wants to penetrate. I do think that in time, Ross 338 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,199 Speaker 1: could develop into a very very good three four defensive end, 339 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: a guy that could play different spots on three four, 340 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: but he's a four three three technique. I mean, that's 341 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: the way he's built. That's the way he played at TCU, 342 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: and hopefully that's what he gets back to here, because 343 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: I think if he gets back to that provides not 344 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: only the ability to take on blockers, but the ability 345 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: to speed past them and be disruptive and chaotic up 346 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 1: the field. That's gonna be a little different, and that's 347 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: gonna make things different for these offenses. We've got to 348 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: face them. So I think Zach Cuttingham and Ross Blacklock 349 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: are gonna be two guys that end up benefiting from 350 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 1: this change in defense from three four to four three. 351 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: All Right, So they're also working on special teams, of 352 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: course they always do, and I think that based on 353 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: who they acquired this offseason, they got a lot of 354 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 1: options in return ability. I mean, kickoff returns, plunt returns. 355 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: They's got a lot of different directions they can go. 356 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: It's got to be like a congo line when they're 357 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: out there trying to return punts. You know, they're not 358 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: enough reps to go around for all the possibilities they have. 359 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: You know, when you go from Andre Roberts on down, 360 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: they got a lot of different guys who could possibly 361 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: handle the role. And I like that situation. I don't 362 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: know who the gunners are gonna be or anything like that, 363 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: but again, they've got a lot of bodies for that too, 364 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: because anybody coming in here, they know, look, I better 365 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: play special teams for the most part. All right, not 366 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: everybody's gonna do it, but for the most part, you've 367 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: got a lot of guys who want to hang their 368 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: hat on something. Make that final fifty three. You better 369 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 1: play special And it's not like they have a plethora 370 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: of rookies to go to. These veterans are going to 371 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: have to help, there's no doubt. And when you look 372 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: at the guys that have that were signed, I can 373 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:51,400 Speaker 1: look at each rom and go, well, this guy played 374 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: special teams for a while. This guy played it for 375 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: a while, this guy played it for a while. You 376 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: see guys that not only played special teams, but excelled 377 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 1: on special teams. And that's something that no matter what 378 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: kind of offense, what kind of defense you have. You 379 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 1: got to be able to ball out on special teams, 380 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: and it got to a point last year with guys 381 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: that were hurt and banged up. The special teams suffered 382 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: more than anything else because now you're taking guys that 383 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: were typically on special teams and now they're getting one 384 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: hundred percent of the reps. I think of Keiana Cross 385 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 1: and Keian was one of the better special teams guys 386 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: in the entire league. But Kean had to come off 387 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: special teams for the most part because he had to 388 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: play full time corner in the last two three weeks 389 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: of the year. So now your special teams are without 390 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 1: one of the better players in that particular group, and 391 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: that was an issue. So first of all, guys hopefully 392 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,119 Speaker 1: can stay healthy, but you're also going to have I 393 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: think a bigger pool to pick from for guys that 394 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: will go down on special teams and be a factor 395 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: on special teams. I'm curious to see how that part 396 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: of it plays out. But you know as well as 397 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: I do, that they're gonna be some guys on the 398 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: bubble and it gets decided by this guy plays special 399 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: teams and that guy tries, but it is not very 400 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: good on special teams, or that guy doesn't play special teams. 401 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: We know how that cut is gonna go down. We 402 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: know how it's going down. If it's close the guy 403 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: that plays special teams, it can be a factor on 404 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: as many special teams on the four as possible. Is 405 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: gonna end up being on that particular is gonna be 406 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: on the roster, and other guys are gonna end up 407 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 1: not making a team as a result. But there are 408 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: so many guys that have special teams experience. I think 409 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: it's it's gonna make that group. For Frank Ross special 410 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: teams coordinator, it's gonna make that group that much deeper 411 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: than that it's been, if that's possible. Just the fact 412 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: that you have that many guys that have played special 413 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: teams in the past. Boy, I mean, between the player 414 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: roster and the assistant coach roster, I've got my work 415 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: cut out for me here. You know, this has been 416 00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: a lot of work this offseason to get to know 417 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: these guys, and I just can't wait to see them 418 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,240 Speaker 1: really get going in training camp, mini camp and as 419 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: these OTAs evolved. Here all right, one other thing before 420 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: we break Sean of Seth. We're talking about it. David 421 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: Culley called Garrett Wallow a football player, Jesse. Are you 422 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: in on that term or not? Have you? I've definitely 423 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: heard it before. I've heard it, But where have you 424 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: heard it? What's the history with you? Because they were 425 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: reading this and I think it was Seth or one 426 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: of them brought up that. Mark Schlaritz has said it before, 427 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, highly publicly. I mean, I can't remember exactly 428 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: where I've heard of him in so many phrases over 429 00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: the years that I've heard, but I feel like being 430 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: in the Southeast Conference area, I've heard I've heard some 431 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: some Southern coaches over the years refer to that as 432 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: such a football player, Jesse. I don't know why I've 433 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: heard that. It just I heard him say that. I 434 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I like that term. And then I 435 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 1: heard Sean going, have you ever heard that? I'm like, yeah, 436 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: of course I have. So I love all those terms. 437 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I love the one about it's not about 438 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: the ex's nose, about the jimmies and Joe's yep, football 439 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: playing Jesse. Those are just straight out there, are straight 440 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: out of South stradiaut of Texas. So I can't pinpoint 441 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: where I've heard it, But I know over the years 442 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: i've heard it. I spent enough time in the southern 443 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 1: region of the United States, I know i've heard that 444 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: at least once. There's so many different phrases too, not 445 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: necessarily involving names, but like in basketball, I've just heard 446 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: so many coaches say we gotta get after it. We got, 447 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: And I think everybody knows what that means. You know, 448 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: you gotta get after it got you know, we get 449 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: after it? Yeah, why exactly? So my my third year 450 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 1: in coaching, I moved over to a different school, and 451 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: so we're getting ready for the game, and so coach 452 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: puts up His name is Brady Ackerman. He's now the 453 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: coach at Belleville High School in Florida. He'd been at 454 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: Jackson State for a while, was a Florida Gator silent 455 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: report for a long times, good friend of mine. It's 456 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: my first year coaching with him, and he puts up 457 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 1: the schedule for the game on the board, and I 458 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: wanted to just check it out just to know when 459 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: my units were going out all out at the very end. 460 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: Game starts at seven thirty and he puts GATA at 461 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: the bottom and I stared at it, and I was like, gata, 462 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: and I could not, for the life of me, figure 463 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: out what gata meant. I'm like, God, it was driving 464 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: me nuts. But I felt like I should have known, 465 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: so I didn't ask, and I'm glad I did. Am 466 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: glad I did didn't ask. I ended up finding out 467 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: what it meant the next day because it was an 468 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: offshoot of what you just said with a bad word 469 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: seemingly at the end, and that sounds like I like that. 470 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: I kind of liked that. I'm going with that, and 471 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: so I would use that whenever I would put up 472 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: my pregame schedule, Gata. And then I had one of 473 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 1: these kind of young kids who was a little bit 474 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: more bold than I was. It was, hey, coach, what 475 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: is gay? I was like, don't worry about it. We're 476 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: just gonna get after it. We'll be okay. Ye, so exactly. Oh, 477 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: I like that, And I think everybody can guess what 478 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: the acronym stands for. All right, coming up, who's better. 479 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday. We're gonna play this. We got quarterbacks, we 480 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: have something that you did over the weekend. We're gonna 481 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:20,959 Speaker 1: do it all. I'm Texans Radio, Mark Vandamarin John Harris 482 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: with you. Great to have you along Tuesday evening, and 483 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: we're doing a show together for the first time and 484 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: almost a week. So that's fun. All right, Ready to 485 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: play who's better? Johnny? It's whose course, let's go. Sometimes 486 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: it's what's better, But in this case, who's better? We're 487 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: gonna go quarterbacks first here and look, Aaron Rodgers, so 488 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: much news on him, Tom Brady with the TV show. 489 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,199 Speaker 1: I'll get to that in a few moments here. But 490 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, you have one game. Who you're picking, 491 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: because there's still so many people out there, who's the 492 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: most talented quarterback? He really is the best quarterback right now? 493 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: You got one game to win. Who are you picking? Brady? Oh? 494 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: At their peak, right at their peak after peak up? 495 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: What No, that's what I'm saying, at their peak in 496 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: their careers. Uh yeah, well, uh no, well, thank you. 497 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: I'll take if, if I'll take it, if I've got him, Okay, 498 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: if if I've got to take say the Broncos, and 499 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: I got to win one game with the Broncos, right, 500 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: all things consider it, I'll take Brady. I'll take Brady 501 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: to win one game tomorrow, I'll take Brady. I'm guessing 502 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: it's for the same reasons I would do it. But 503 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: tell me why. Trust I have seen it. I've seen 504 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 1: him take lesser and make more out of it. Yeah, 505 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,200 Speaker 1: I've seen him do that. And and and maybe if Rogers, 506 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,719 Speaker 1: you know, and maybe that's why the Broncos have been 507 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 1: rumored to be going after Aaron Rodgers because George Payton 508 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: the GM was a Minnesota Viking. He's sorry in Rodgers 509 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: twice a year. Well, we've seen Tom Brady every year. 510 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: We've seen Tom Brady rip our hearts out when we 511 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: thought we had to win. In twenty seven team, We've 512 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 1: seen him bring the team back from behind, like, man, 513 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 1: where this guy come? I mean twenty nineteen, We've got 514 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 1: a three touchdown lead and all of a sudden's winning 515 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: a touchdown and oh my gosh, they could get the 516 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: ball back and win this thing. Holy smokes. He just 517 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 1: always gave them a chance. Aaron Rodgers is He's always 518 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: been one of my favorites. And I go back to 519 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: that year because I always thought that the fort Nighters 520 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: made a mistake. I said, Foy the draft right after it, 521 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: the Ford Nighters would have taken Aaron Rodgers. So I've 522 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: always been an Aaron Rodgers guy. But there's just something 523 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: about that one game opportunity. I just know from Brady 524 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: that he will not let his guys lose. He won't 525 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: let him lose, and he'll find a way. He'll find 526 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 1: a way to beat you in some way, shape or form. 527 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: And to make a comparison, that was Jordan. Jordan may 528 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: not score forty, he made. He just was gonna find 529 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,760 Speaker 1: a way to beat you. That's all he had to 530 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: do is beat you on that day. He would find 531 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: a way to do that. Or that's a magic same way, yeah, 532 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,640 Speaker 1: same way. And and look, I the inlaws are Giants 533 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 1: fans because they're from New York originally. Right, So the 534 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: vander Kidd and the inlaws. We're watching the replay of 535 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: the Giants Patriots first Super Bowl right where the Patriots 536 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: are trying to go and defeated and the Giants are 537 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: nine and seven going in the postseason. We all know 538 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,440 Speaker 1: the rest of the story. But the Patriots score late 539 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: in that game to go up and Randy Moss catches 540 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 1: a touchdown. Brady in that game doesn't look that hot, 541 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: you know. Look, they could have made a stop the 542 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: Patriots and they win the Super Bowl. Right, they didn't 543 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 1: do it, but he doesn't look that hot, but he 544 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: just knows where to go with the football. Not everything 545 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: is perfect. I think Aaron Rodgers is probably more athletically talented. 546 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not a stretch, but there's just 547 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: something about the winner mentality, and it's hard to define. 548 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: It's a lot of intangible stuff, but it's very tangible 549 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: when you look at the trophies. All right, next, who's better? 550 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: Let's go old school quarterbacks? Are you ready? Okay? I'm 551 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,239 Speaker 1: not gonna go Auto Graham on you the way I did. 552 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a little newer, old school. Who's better? 553 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: Jim Plunkett or Joe Thiseman. Who's better? They faced each 554 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: other in a Super Bowl. Tisman got blown out, but 555 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: we all know there's more to the career than that 556 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: for both these guys. However, they both had some rocky roads, 557 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: so give it to me. Plunkett won two Super Bowls, 558 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: but he was originally drafted by the Patriots, didn't work 559 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: out there with the Raiders, didn't always work out there either, 560 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: but he kind of surfaced when he needed to to 561 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: win those two Super Bowls in eighty and eighty four. Right, 562 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: thisman won the strite shortened Super Bowl eighty two season 563 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: when they beat the Dolphins, and the next year they 564 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: got back to the Super Bowl but obviously lost to 565 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 1: the Raiders. So who do you think who's better thisman 566 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: or Plunkett? I think, overall, fivesman was more talented. I mean, 567 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: thisman went to the CFL and played I think he 568 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: played receiver or played a different position in the CFL, 569 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: and then came to the NFL after that. I think 570 00:28:55,040 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: Plunkett was a better overall quarterback, and I would trust 571 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: plunk It in a tough situation to come back and 572 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: deal with adversity. The reason that it didn't stick for 573 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: Plunkett early was the fact that he was stuck on 574 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers and Patriots, and those were two 575 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: of the worst teams at that time. Yeah, all of 576 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: football in football history. Those teams were awful. If you 577 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: would have given Jim Plunkett the opportunity to play with 578 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: the fun Bunch and the eighty three team formerly known 579 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 1: as the Redskins, I'm Plunkin puts up those same numbers, 580 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: if not better numbers. I'm going Jim Plunkett over thisman. 581 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: Even though I think Thivesman was a better athlete, I 582 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: think Plunkett was a better overall quarterback. I mean, you 583 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: look at thisman with the Hogs in front of him 584 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: and John Riggins run of the rock the way they did. 585 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: Didn't Riggins have some obscene number of touchdowns in eighty 586 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: three eighty four? I mean, just ridiculous gobs of touchdowns 587 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: and obviously thisman was the beneficiary of that. I think 588 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: both guys are good, but I'm with you there. I 589 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: think probably plunk it all right? Who's better? You're ready 590 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: for this one? Now? I know that you watched Sam 591 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: Houston State win the national championship over the weekend. You've 592 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: done many of their games over the years, here, Johnny, 593 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 1: and you've interviewed Casey Killer. I've only interviewed him a 594 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: couple of times, but you've talked to him a lot. 595 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: So who's better, Casey Killer or half the Division one 596 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: head coaches in America? Because Casey Killer? What does the 597 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: guy have to do? I don't know if he wants 598 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: a job in Division one in FBS, if you will, 599 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if he wants one. But my goodness, 600 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,239 Speaker 1: Delaware here. Wherever he goes, he just wins, Johnny, all 601 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: he does is win. What's the problem here? Is there 602 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 1: a problem? Come on? I don't know. I think this 603 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: championship should open people's eyes, especially the fact that it 604 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: was in the spring. And there's a part of me 605 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 1: that doesn't even want to talk about it because I 606 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't want to think about Sam 607 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 1: Houston State without Casey. But he wanted Division three championship 608 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: at Rowan, then he goes to Delaware, played in it 609 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 1: three times, coaching at three times, won it in two 610 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: thousand and three, and then got Sam Houston back with 611 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: a group that he absolutely loved. It was it was 612 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: just it was a blast talking to him all year 613 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: long at different iterations of the season and doing his games. 614 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: And then I talked to him last week. He just 615 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: he loved this team. But I've said it for a 616 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: long time. I think he's a whale of a coach. 617 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: The question to me is, because he is so successful, 618 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that he would want to take a 619 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: bottom wrong Power five job if it just was you know, 620 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: if you're gonna beat your head up against the wall 621 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: against Alabama and Auburn or you know LSU or whom 622 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,400 Speaker 1: A D A and M. Now. I mean it's but 623 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's a there's a there's a 624 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: situation out there for him. You know, Willie Fritz ended 625 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: up taking Sam Houston to Frisco. Then he went to 626 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: Georgia's Southern and he went to Tulane. And I think 627 00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:53,760 Speaker 1: Willie's in a really good situation with Tulane. I think 628 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 1: Casey gave him the same opportunity, would do the same thing. 629 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: Um you know, like and you know, if if Casey 630 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: would have gotten the opportunity to UCF, I mean that 631 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: program would be just as well off as it would 632 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 1: be with Gus Malson. I think Casey is one of 633 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: the hidden unearthed gems in coaching in college football at 634 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: any level. And there's a guy that just took the 635 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: Kansas job that it reminds me of an as Lance Leephold. 636 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: He was a championship winning coach at Wisconsin Whitewater. Then 637 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: he takes the Buffalo job and gets Buffalo going university Buffalo, 638 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,360 Speaker 1: makes them a consistent winner. And then Kansas fires last 639 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 1: Miles and the ad and they reach out and they 640 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: get Leopold this spring, and I think it's gonna make 641 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 1: Kansas better in the long run because he's a whale 642 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: of football coach. So sometimes those are guys I want 643 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: more so than anybody else because they know what it's like. 644 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 1: They know what it's like when the facilities aren't the greatest. 645 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 1: They know what it's like when they're not, you know, 646 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 1: getting all the money, or the trips aren't you know, 647 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 1: so glorious, or you know, the locker room isn't the greatest. 648 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: They know how to make the most of whatever they have. 649 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: And that's what Casey Keeler is, That's what Lance Leapold is, 650 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: And I know LANs is gonna do a great job 651 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: in Kansas. I think Casey I want to see him 652 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: stay in the same Houston for a long time. But 653 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: seeming to other championships, you're only coach to have two 654 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: FCS championships at two different schools. So congratulations to him, 655 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: but I'm taking Casey over half. Do you want for sure? 656 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: If you can win at Delaware and when it's Sam 657 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: Houston State, you're good at recruiting and coaching because they're 658 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: very different situations. It's not like McNeice and Sam Houston state. 659 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: I know those are different, but they're not as different Delaware. 660 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 1: And look, I've done games at Delaware. Delaware is a 661 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: unique situation. Yes, you own the state, and you know 662 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: they draw twenty twenty five thousand up there every time. 663 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it really is a cool place. Anyway, Let's 664 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: get on to the next one. Who's better? All right? 665 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: Since we're on the subject of FCS. They just had 666 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: the championship over the weekend, and I know that it 667 00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: was weird with COVID in the spring, but let's just 668 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: go non COVID here. You tell me the way that 669 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: FBS has done right now with the fourteen playoff or FCS. 670 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: What are you taking? I take FCS all day, every day, 671 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 1: all right. I had this conversation the other day actually 672 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: with our buddy Dave Fletcher, was watching actually watching a 673 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: championship game of FLETCH, and we were talking about the 674 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: playoff and where it gets dicey getting all the way 675 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: to sixteen teams in FBS is the fact that you 676 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,760 Speaker 1: have twelve games already, then you have a championship conference 677 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: championship game, then all of a sudden, you're gonna play 678 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: four games. On top of that, you're talking about seventeen 679 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: games for college students. Now, that's tough. That's tough. Now again, 680 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: the NFL is playing seventeen but and you're not talking 681 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: all every team's playing seventeen games? How many games? How 682 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: many games is a Texas high school team playing if 683 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: they win the championship or playing the championship game, it 684 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: ends up being I think sixteen? Yeah, so yeah, I mean, 685 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: you know, Fletch's argument was stronger against that than mine. 686 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's a grind. It is a 687 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: grind once you get into a sixteen team playoff. I've 688 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: said I want six or twelve because I want teams 689 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: to have a buy. I want two teams of the 690 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: six to have a buye. I want four teams in 691 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: the twelve to have a buy just to reward those 692 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 1: teams that have been that much better than everybody else. 693 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: And I would love to see the Bulls utilized in 694 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: those playoff games. I just know they're not going to. 695 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: So if they're not going to, then just play them 696 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 1: on campus like you do for the FCS games. I'm 697 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: telling you, I went to that JAMU game and it 698 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: was phenomenal. The intensity in that game was just off 699 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: the charts, and they couldn't even have a full crowd, 700 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,719 Speaker 1: but it was electric for an on campus playoff game. 701 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: He imagine on campus playoff game at Alabama or am Michigan. 702 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: I mean it would be incredible, incredible, yep, I love 703 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: to see it. All right, Coming up, Johnny, we have 704 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: one more segment, and these are things that the Texans 705 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: need to keep doing from the spikeling for a twelve 706 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty season, and they do not include anything in 707 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: the passing game. How about that. I've got some things 708 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: for you. Stay tuned. It's Texans Radio. Mark VanderMeer, John 709 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: Harris with you Texans Radio. Okay, Johnny, I said this, 710 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,280 Speaker 1: despite the fact that the Texans went four and twelve 711 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,879 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty, there are some things I'd like them 712 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,720 Speaker 1: them to keep doing. All right, keep doing these things. 713 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: And I know the team's very different, obviously, but I 714 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: liked this. Are you ready? And these don't involve the 715 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: passing game. So before you start or the listening audience 716 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,320 Speaker 1: starts thinking, oh my gosh, Vandermers get No, I'm not 717 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: gonna bring anything up like that, but I will bring 718 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:42,960 Speaker 1: this up. Second fewest penalty yards in the National Football League. 719 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: All right, you didn't have those kinds of errors in 720 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: great volume. Also fourth fewest penalties altogether. That ain't bad 721 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: stuff right there. Now, sometimes you have really good teams 722 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,800 Speaker 1: that do commit some penalties. You know, they get a 723 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 1: little over zealous here and there. You know, you gotta 724 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: get a little aggressive. But I think those are two 725 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: pretty cool things, and I hope those things continue. Well, 726 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: there's no there's no question. In twenty nineteen and Laramy 727 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 1: struggled with it, he talked about it, you know, the 728 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,799 Speaker 1: false starts and those sort of things. I mean, yeah, 729 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: five yards year, five yards there? What's the big deal? Man? 730 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 1: That stuff starts piling up during a game, and a 731 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,840 Speaker 1: drive that's got some promise goes from I mean, how 732 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: many times did we see over the years you get 733 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: down in the red zone? False start? All right? Well, 734 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,959 Speaker 1: instead of being first and goal at the seven, it's 735 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: first and goal at the twelve. The probability of scoring 736 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: goes down immensely from that particular aspect. And if you 737 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: can at least know, hey, we're gonna play a clean game. 738 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna play clean game. We're not gonna have a 739 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: bunch of penalties and we're not turning the ball over. 740 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: In the NFL, you're gonna have an opportunity being that 741 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: game college, high school. You can maybe play the perfect 742 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 1: game game. You just maybe out talented by the South 743 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 1: like Carol's, the Kadies, the Alabama's of the world, the 744 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: NFL everybody. I'm pretty even playing for the most part. 745 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: You don't turn the ball over, you don't have a 746 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,319 Speaker 1: bunch of penalties, You're going to be in that football game. 747 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,840 Speaker 1: You will be in a football game. You generate a 748 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,760 Speaker 1: turnover coming back your way to get an extra possession, 749 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: you will absolutely be in that game. So to continue 750 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 1: that trend, no question, that is absolutely be on a 751 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: shadow of a doubt key throw on top of that 752 00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,359 Speaker 1: improvement in the run game. So limiting the penalties the 753 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 1: same way improving the run game. And I'm not gonna 754 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: be you know, mister old Scalell. You know you control 755 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: the clock and you keep them off the field. But this, 756 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 1: this might be that kind of offense that has that 757 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: has to do that, right, I'm fine with that. If 758 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: they've got to take up thirty four, thirty five, thirty 759 00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,959 Speaker 1: six minutes of game clock, rock on. As long as 760 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:04,919 Speaker 1: there are points at the end of those particular long drives. Yes, yes, look, 761 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: we all know the offense at times last year was explosive, 762 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: no doubt, yards per play, you lead the league and 763 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: all of that, but you only have four wins to 764 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,680 Speaker 1: show for. It's because you weren't able to run the ball. Well, 765 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: you couldn't take the ball away. We've talked about those 766 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: things at awful Up here's another one for you in 767 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: an instance. Okay, because the last three games of the season, 768 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,920 Speaker 1: we've talked about the fact that David Johnson averaged over 769 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty yards from scrimmage in those last 770 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: three games. I want to see that kind of production 771 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: from the backs, if David's playing a lot, or Philip Lindsay, 772 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: or if it's Ingram whoever, Let's see that continue that 773 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: trend of getting something out of these backs that they 774 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: had in the last three games. Let's keep that going 775 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: into twenty twenty one. I know the team's different lines, 776 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,640 Speaker 1: different coaches are different, but Tim Kelly still here's the OC. 777 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: Gotta get the backs really productive like that. Well, the 778 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: especially the last game or two, and didn't have Laramie, 779 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: didn't have Titus. You're playing with Rod and Charlie, heck 780 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: as your tackles and you still were running the ball 781 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: right pretty well. And I think Rod's come a really 782 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: long way. And Charlie did show me something those last 783 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: couple of games that wasn't there in training camp at 784 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,399 Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. Is it perfect. No, But 785 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: those guys got on the field and they mix it 786 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: up a little bit. They got people pushed off the 787 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: ball a little bit. They gave David Johnson the opportunity 788 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: to make a decision and make and ended up being 789 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: a positive one because they stayed on blocks. They ran 790 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: that zone game. And I think that was the other 791 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: thing too that they were able to find at the 792 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: end of the year, and that is, Hey, David Johnson 793 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: in particular, he's a pretty good zone runner. If you 794 00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: get him going on a zone track, he has good 795 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: eyes for that, he has good vision for that, he 796 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 1: knows where the cutback is. He can stay frontside if 797 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,920 Speaker 1: he needs to. But he's a good zone running back 798 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: and I think they really found that. So combined with 799 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 1: how they were getting guys and moved up front a 800 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: little bit with David, they put that mix together. The 801 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,799 Speaker 1: net goes back. I think that Tim Kelly's saying, Hey, 802 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,480 Speaker 1: wait a second, this might be what we are. That's okay, 803 00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,799 Speaker 1: that's all right. Hey, I really want to do this. 804 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: I've had that. I've had an epiphany as a coach, like, 805 00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: you know what, I want to throw the football. But 806 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: if I throw the football, we're gonna get beat forty 807 00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: eight to nothing. This game will gone forever. So you 808 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna try and run the rock a 809 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: little bit, and lo behold, every week we got better 810 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: running the ball. Before you know it, we ended up 811 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: being instead of a seventy thirty throwing team, we were 812 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: more like a seventy thirty running team. And that we 813 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: found our core confidence. We found what we were. And 814 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: I think that's what Tim was able to find with 815 00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 1: the running game, that hey, this is what we are 816 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: and what we can be. And now, with some Madden 817 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,680 Speaker 1: pieces in there, Philip Lindsay and mark Ingram, along with 818 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:46,879 Speaker 1: the guys up front Marcus Cannon, britt Lane Taylor, Justin McCray, 819 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 1: along with hopefully the return of Titus Howard from injury, 820 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 1: that can end up being a really good offensive line 821 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 1: that can physically take over at times and do it 822 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,879 Speaker 1: more than just at times, that would be really kind 823 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: of nice. Well, the only play calling I've done is 824 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: flag football, and I think it should be illegal to 825 00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 1: run the ball in flag football. To me, it's like cheating. 826 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: I don't like to do it, John, even with my 827 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: eight year olds, I don't like. I don't like running 828 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,759 Speaker 1: the ball. I want to throw the ball every time, 829 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,240 Speaker 1: even if it's a two yard pass. Throw the ball. 830 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: It's flag football, for crying out loud, not I mean, 831 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: come on, anyway, don't get me started. I'm flag football. 832 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: I love it, and it should not. You should not 833 00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: be allowed to run the ball unless they're kindergarten kids. 834 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,360 Speaker 1: That is my stance. Anyway, my friend, that's gonna do 835 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 1: it for the show tonight. Thank you Eddy for producing. 836 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: I have a great night everyone. This show will be 837 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: on the app suiting up to go to that Texans 838 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,360 Speaker 1: app for all the information on experiencing game Day together 839 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 1: and RG Stadium this fall and everything else regarding your 840 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 1: Houston Texans. Have a great evening, Go Texans.