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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is a show where we step into the past

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Speaker 2: through our old episodes, and you emerge from the other

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Speaker 2: side with brand new feelings and case updates.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 3: Today we're rewinding the episode one oh one, which we

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Speaker 3: named live at the Majestic Theater in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Creativity Never ends.

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Speaker 2: This episode originally came out on December twenty eighth, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: A million years ago.

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Speaker 3: Just to go back for one moment, Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: let's listen to the intro of episode one oh one.

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Speaker 1: M what's that Dallas? Wow, I'm pretty sure I saw

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Speaker 1: UFO up there. Yeah, did you see that? It's an

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Speaker 1: assortment of lights. A lot going on. There's so much.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I knew, it's so exciting. This is our third

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Speaker 3: and best show in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Oh I ruined it. My pockets out. I ruined it.

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Speaker 1: It's no longer the best show. Let's let's start over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: damn it. Take it from the top.

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Speaker 2: This shirt needs to be burned. Let's just say that. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even give a passover. No, I love it.

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Speaker 2: There's hair, there's the tears, sweat of others, and myself combined,

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Speaker 2: I realized all the clothes I brought uh to Texas

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Speaker 2: smell like barbecue.

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Speaker 3: And I haven't even been in a barbecue restaurant. It's

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Speaker 3: not like I've been in a restaurant. It's even things

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Speaker 3: backstage and in the hotel room.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet.

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Speaker 2: And also where was the picture that you sent me today?

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Speaker 3: I sent her a photo of a troth of mac

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Speaker 3: and cheese close up, very close up. It was a

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Speaker 3: close up that was actually just Whole foods. But I

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Speaker 3: just thought it would be a good photo because we

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Speaker 3: didn't like text that morning. We didn't text it all day,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, this will be a funny thing

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Speaker 3: just to send some one RANDOMLNTA. But then after that,

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Speaker 3: fuck you guys. Okay, did you just say fuck you?

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Speaker 1: Guys? Said Dallas.

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Speaker 3: They am I mad at you?

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Speaker 1: No fuck comment you guys? Okay?

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Speaker 3: No, Because all right, I love I love La. However

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Speaker 3: I had to move somewhere. It would be a place

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Speaker 3: that has a really fucking good barbecue in a gas station.

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Speaker 1: Would that gas station be our friend Bucky's gas station? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right, we know the lingo. Now we can fucking

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Speaker 1: speak your language. Yep. Bucky Nuggets one thousand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I hate those two today?

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Speaker 1: Oh so good? How can you not? I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: like cotton candy in your mouth.

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Speaker 2: But beavers, but beaver's don't stop this. This is supposed

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Speaker 2: to be the best show.

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Speaker 4: Was it really?

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Speaker 1: At the gas station?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a fucking just whatever gas station and then

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Speaker 3: there's a barbecue place.

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Speaker 1: On a drive through.

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Speaker 3: In the gas station, and it was like, really good barbecue.

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Speaker 1: We're you used to a sleep?

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Speaker 3: And then I took it back to the hotel room

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Speaker 3: and sat and ate barbecue in the hotel room. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and well Vince watched football and I was just like, this.

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Speaker 1: Is my life. Then I loved my life. This is

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Speaker 1: the life.

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Speaker 3: Free glass of rose from the hotel the downstairs hotel area.

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Speaker 1: Oh did you go mingle? I know, I fucking grab

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Speaker 1: a glass of one up there to eat my barbecue

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Speaker 1: in peace.

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Speaker 2: You're like, do you have any pictures or large containers?

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Speaker 1: Maybe a flower vase that I could take with me.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to mix with these beanfu.

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Speaker 3: And did really disappoint me in our marriage though, because no.

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Speaker 1: And like this is you know, he's amazing.

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Speaker 3: But I went to the They're like they pour you

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Speaker 3: glasses like rose it's like two to six rose hour,

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Speaker 3: whatever the fuck. And then the guy goes to pour

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Speaker 3: two glasses and he goes, oh, no, just one, I

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Speaker 1: No, dude, you get a second glass for me. Team

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Speaker 1: playing yeah at all times. But it probably was a

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Speaker 1: sign of your drinking too much. Do you think he

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Speaker 3: Now he would not.

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Speaker 2: Now with counterpoint, Vince, you just just talk massive ship

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Speaker 2: on him and then I'd like hand the microphone over. Well,

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Speaker 2: that's interesting. I have nothing to say about it.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Vince does. Finally on the ground.

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Speaker 2: There he's down in the he's down in a little

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Speaker 2: opera spot where you call for your line down in

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Speaker 2: the old This is an old theater reference.

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Speaker 1: I'm making.

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Speaker 2: Only certain people understand. I want to know what I did. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I got a massage in the hotel and fancy right,

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Speaker 2: it's amazing. It's so much easier to communicate with you.

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Speaker 2: And we have this crab like clasp on each over

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Speaker 2: intensity of that. Yes, it's a conduit. So I called down.

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Speaker 2: I look, this is brilliant. If you have a business

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Speaker 2: that has offered two things that don't go together put

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Speaker 2: them on the same menu, because as I was ordering breakfast,

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, massages. It was right fucking there,

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Speaker 2: which I've never seen before. And I'm so smart. I

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Speaker 2: was like, I want oatmeal. Oh, and I want someone

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Speaker 2: to rub my back.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And at this place they have four hand massage, which

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Speaker 2: means two people massage you at one time.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that, that's a creepy way to say that.

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Speaker 1: Fourhand massage.

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Speaker 2: What isn't a creepy way to explain what that might be?

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Speaker 1: I feel like, hey, two people massage you at the

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Speaker 1: same time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, four hands from who.

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Speaker 2: Knows where, coming up out of in the ground. They're

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Speaker 2: all strangely silver and gray. Don't worry about it. Your

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Speaker 2: face down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what species of hands are we talking about? But

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Speaker 3: two people?

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Speaker 1: Interesting? You say that monkey hands.

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Speaker 2: That's when you read this small branch monkey and raccoon hands.

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Speaker 2: So one's too small and one's too strong and.

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Speaker 1: Could kill you.

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Speaker 2: That'd be pretty cute, sweet until you die.

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Speaker 1: Right. I am so catholic.

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Speaker 2: I could not order the forehand massage. I was like,

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Speaker 2: that's not right. I can't I can't ask for that.

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Speaker 2: That's too much enjoyment. In this life. Who am I?

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Speaker 3: I think that's the perfect way though, to like treat

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Speaker 3: yourself without guilt is always have one thing that's too much.

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Speaker 3: So like even if you want, like, well, I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to get a Lexis, I'll just get a what's

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Speaker 3: one step down from Lexus?

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Speaker 1: Oh, clearly it's it's a Dodge charger.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but what you really wanted was the Dodge charger

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Speaker 3: to begin with.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you've inside your mind you're doing all of this,

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Speaker 2: or someone on the street to yourself, okay, writing it

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Speaker 2: on paper, or just this is a mental situation.

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Speaker 3: Can your Jewish friend tell you that you're worth it

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Speaker 3: and you deserve it?

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Speaker 1: Come on, because that's how we are.

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Speaker 2: That's our new thing. That's our new campaign. Everyone get

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Speaker 2: a Jewish friend because she'll.

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Speaker 1: Say, you know, I think I can.

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Speaker 3: I can justify any purchase for anyone in a way

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Speaker 3: that makes you like proud, Like, yeah, you're right, I

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Speaker 3: should get that, Alexa. I don't know, right, I should

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Speaker 3: get a raccoon palmisan.

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Speaker 1: I deserve deserve it. She's right.

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Speaker 2: I work hard, imagine because you've seen raccoons wash their

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Speaker 3: A little.

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Speaker 1: They do that a little, but it's on your shoulder.

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Speaker 2: And they stare at you. Did ever tell you about

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Speaker 2: that time?

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Speaker 1: I thought? This was right before I.

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Speaker 2: Got my dog George, and I was here. I was

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Speaker 2: by myself in my house, and I would hear shit

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Speaker 4: This is it.

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Speaker 1: I knew it. Here we go every fucking night.

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Speaker 2: That's when I started sleep in front of the TV,

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Speaker 2: be some weird noise. I'd be like, great dead, I

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Speaker 2: had that party tomorrow, but now I'm going to be murdered.

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Speaker 1: So but I always knew I was.

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Speaker 2: You know that it was probably just all that shit

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Speaker 1: The things people tell you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this one night I hear a sound that

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Speaker 2: I swear to God.

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Speaker 1: This sound.

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Speaker 2: What I pictured in my mind when I heard it

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Speaker 2: back wall of my house.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why, but that's exactly what. It sounded like,

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Speaker 1: a huge crash, a crash.

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Speaker 3: With plastic involved, like an outdated electronic machine crash.

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Speaker 2: It was like one of the guys from office space instead.

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Speaker 1: Of this, they were like this. It was that feel

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Speaker 1: that's scary. It fucking scared the shit at me.

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Speaker 2: Right, so, oh to check, and we had we used

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Speaker 2: to have a cat m I never talk about him.

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Speaker 2: His name is Angus, don't mention it to me, my

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Speaker 2: cat Angus, who was fairal awful, long hair, which is

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Speaker 2: the fucking worst, and a pet of any breed. Mean

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Speaker 2: he I watched him almost scratch off.

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Speaker 1: I've told you that story where he's hiding.

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Speaker 2: There was like something leaned against the wall, and my

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Speaker 2: over here, and right as she leaned down the cat,

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Speaker 2: Paul was like this with all nails out toward face.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's.

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Speaker 2: What Pete Rana just picked her up really fast. So

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Speaker 2: it was oh, it was like one of those like

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Speaker 2: who it was a matrixy this but she wasn't leaning.

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Speaker 1: It was just guys. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember the story I was telling. Oh, because

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Speaker 2: so we had this built in cat door. Oh no,

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Speaker 2: don't do that right, So in my mind I'm like, well,

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Speaker 2: someone with the longest arm ever reached through it, and

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Speaker 2: it's like that's already.

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Speaker 3: What I was thinking, was it, Yes, soone whilse someone

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Speaker 3: with an art long arm could just help come in

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Speaker 3: and lock it.

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Speaker 1: The long arm bandit. It's coming.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a raccoon that grew up in your

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Speaker 2: nuclear test facility.

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Speaker 1: That's not his faulty has those long arms. One long arm,

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Speaker 1: just the one. So there's a crazy limp. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: fastest hands. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I get over there, and of course I think

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Speaker 2: it's someone trying to like physically break into the back door.

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Speaker 2: And when I get to the back door, I flip

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Speaker 2: the porch light on and there's a raccoon who is

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Speaker 2: just coming back out of the cat door, so like

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Speaker 2: he had gone. He had gone I think, halfway into

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Speaker 2: it and then come back out really fast. He must

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Speaker 2: have heard a noise or something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so when I'm standing.

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Speaker 2: There, he flicked the light on, and the raccoon is

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Speaker 2: like trying to figure out a way to go back,

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Speaker 3: Everybody, so's honkah, Hey shitt.

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Speaker 2: I didn't like Instagram is because I didn't know everyone's

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Speaker 3: We're all cheating, My cats are cheating. Everything is cheating.

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Speaker 2: You mean all those gorgeous dinners that people have been

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Speaker 1: Have you seen unfiltered food?

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Speaker 2: What a revelation. I'm just saying that for the other

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Speaker 1: It's such good news. It's such good news.

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Speaker 3: Oh also, yeah, my god, should we sit down?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we really should.

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Speaker 2: Let's give the We're never going to have chairs like

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Speaker 3: To sit in, you know, for when you want to

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Speaker 3: I've never in my life I need it. Yeah, it's okay.

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Speaker 3: So then we climb in.

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Speaker 2: And now the pull inky and that's how you sit down.

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Speaker 1: Oh in America just roke Karen.

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Speaker 3: We had last night at the second show. The hometown

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Speaker 1: I'm here with my fifteen year old daughter. She was

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Speaker 2: We always thought moms are mad at us. They're not

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Speaker 3: She was a Bible teacher in prison and she's like,

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Speaker 2: She was the one who it was the girl who

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Speaker 1: Remember that whole story. She taught her the Bible too late, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to skip straight to the fucking repent

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're done. No, So Karen stole her red black.

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Speaker 2: She came up and she was like, we made these

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Speaker 1: I was like, you can make another one, right because

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Speaker 3: And we are back Hello, we're back here in good

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Speaker 2: So I think it just looked like there were like

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Speaker 1: It was like fancy. It was big and it was fancy. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And I think we talked about it before where the

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Speaker 2: I mean, the best misunderstanding did we how did we

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Speaker 1: Because we were still standing there waiting, We were like,

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Speaker 3: Surprise for us coastal elites out here in California. The

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Speaker 3: I Also, I love this where I shame Vince for

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Speaker 3: He thankfully does it now, but this was like almost

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Speaker 1: Give it to me.

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Speaker 3: I was like, you have to perform tonight. Why don't

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Speaker 2: I just need two small cups? Please please just let

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Speaker 3: Also, oh, the forehand massage. Oh my god, the first

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Speaker 1: I got massaged by two people at the same time.

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Speaker 2: It was just the hands, which makes me laugh so hard.

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Speaker 2: What else I've actually since that time, I have gotten

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Speaker 3: And this was like, oh, like like what's it called

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Speaker 2: Yes, like like a healing was a healing I was

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Speaker 3: Well, twenty seventeen Karen wouldn't do a lot of things

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Speaker 2: Probably twenty seventeen Karen had just gotten out.

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Speaker 2: Close foreclosure. Yeah right, I literally by the skin of

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Speaker 1: Like free wine at the hotel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like we'd stay the kind of hotel that was

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Speaker 2: You got to give me free wine at four pm

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Speaker 1: Oh and I just I'm.

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Speaker 2: Really proud because this is just proof that I've always

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Speaker 1: This man Robert Wadlough.

448
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, from the beginning, it's like that thing of like

449
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 2: I like them first, you know, you sound like a

450
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 2: stuck up band guy, but stan him, I stand giants

451
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 2: and I always have.

452
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: It's not a new part of my personality. And here's

453
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: the proof. Here's the proof.

454
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 3: Thank god for this podcast, or people would call you

455
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: a poser when it comes to tall, giant people, right.

456
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,640
Speaker 2: The thing that doesn't exist really in our culture anymore,

457
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: that absolutely ruled our culture. Well, I mean that idea

458
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,919
Speaker 2: of yeah, if you will not get clout yourself for

459
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: calling another person opposer.

460
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, I thought you meant giants that didn't exist. Oh,

461
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 1: we've gotten rid of almost all of them. Really, we've

462
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: really what's it called out?

463
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 2: We worked him out, yeah, cycled him out.

464
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: Cycled him out, agens.

465
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: I'm very excited because this story that I told it

466
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: this life show is one of my favorite really true

467
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: crime stories ever.

468
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my god, that's amazing. Let's get into it.

469
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 3: Let's listen to Karen's story about Terry Hoffman.

470
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'm first this evening.

471
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, let's do this. This is a true crime

472
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: comedy podcast. It all you, all you strangers, thank you,

473
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: all you. And Steven's not here.

474
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: Sorry, Yes, it's so disappointing.

475
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 3: I know he's sending me photos of my cats, and

476
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 3: there was one photo that he sent it in I

477
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: said to myself.

478
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: They look hungry. It was such an asshole. They look hungry.

479
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: They look hungry. She was like, don't they look hungry

480
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: in this picture? And I was like, mm hmm.

481
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 3: Started make us since they look hungry. It's hard to tell,

482
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 3: he said, yeah, hard to tell.

483
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: The consummate politician. Well, could be, it couldn't be. Okay,

484
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 2: once again this story, and it seems like we're underwritten

485
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 2: by the magazine Texas Monthly, but we're not not being

486
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 2: paid by them in any way, but we get so

487
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 2: many amazing.

488
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: Stories from them. For real. It didn't.

489
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Speaker 2: It dawned on me the first night we were here

490
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: when I was looking up one of my stories and

491
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people obviously that write for that magazine,

492
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: but there is a guy named Skip Hollandsworth that writes

493
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: tons of great It's always that guy.

494
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Speaker 3: I just found out today when I was looking at

495
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 3: my story and used his also used his information that

496
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: he wrote a book.

497
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: What's it about?

498
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 3: It's about a serial killer in Austin, like the first

499
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 3: serial killer in Austin.

500
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Speaker 1: Shit, oh, is it the Servant Girl Annihilator?

501
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just I did that one audible

502
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: and it's there. Okay, we're gonna I'm getting everyone downloaded

503
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 3: now let's blow the wi fi ut.

504
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 2: Okay, sorry, So this is another one that I found

505
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: searching Texas Monthly because you can go in. They have

506
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: like articles from back in the eighties. It's amazing. They

507
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: also somebody has done that thing where they make a

508
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 2: Google book out of the old magazine. So while I

509
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,920
Speaker 2: was reading the article for this story, there were these

510
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 2: ads coming up on the side that were fuck. They

511
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: were from nineteen.

512
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: Eighty two and they were amazing.

513
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 2: What were they It was just a bunch of blonde

514
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: people being thin and rich all over all over the

515
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 2: Dallas Fort Worth area. Just you know, it's like always

516
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 2: that one lady with gold earrings and like kind of

517
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: a weird blonde haircut.

518
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 4: That was like, I fucking love oil.

519
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: No, they just drank oil at that point.

520
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: It was just there's a lot of you know how

521
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: sometimes it's like beef, it's what for It's what's for dinner.

522
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: There's just there's commercials for things that is not a company.

523
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: It's just a concept.

524
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like milk or whatever. Yeah, yeah, milk, milk,

525
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: it's good for you. Bones. Okay. That Tom Kenny who

526
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: was on Mystery Show with me. It's one of.

527
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 2: Hels he's also the voice of SpongeBob is one of

528
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 2: the most.

529
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: His biggest His biggest thing was being on with you.

530
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 2: That's right, right, It's what I meant first, because I'm

531
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 2: in it. But he's so brilliant and hilarious and he's

532
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: just standing in his stand upback where he pretended that

533
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,679
Speaker 2: he was also hired by all those companies like the

534
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: Milk Board and the Beef Association or whatever, the Farmer's Association,

535
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: and so he would do alternative jingles for all of

536
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: those things, and that was like it was like milk

537
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 2: it's good for your bones, but singing it like a

538
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 2: rock star. And he also did one there's a restaurant

539
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 2: in La called Rosco's Chicken and Waffles.

540
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: That's amazing, and he would go b School's Chicken and Waffles.

541
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: He's your chicken and a wabble connection sidebar Nations.

542
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't think you're allowed to do other people's acts

543
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: during your show.

544
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: He doesn't need it.

545
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 3: He's got all that SpongeBob money.

546
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, he doesn't even know. You can assume

547
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: me your rich bastard.

548
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Anyhow, the article I got almost everything, uh from

549
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: what I'm about to tell you, I'm essentially rereading you

550
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: this article and it is so fucking crazy and long

551
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 2: that I it's like, by the end, I was like scanning,

552
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 2: scrolling really fast. I'm like, don't look at the ads,

553
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: don't look at the people that are, you know, drinking

554
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: by a window.

555
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: Just focus on the article.

556
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: But it was called The Curse of the Black Lords

557
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 2: by Peter Elkind. There was also an article that I

558
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: looked at for a magazine called d Magazine.

559
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: Ask me too, because you look at that one. I

560
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: use both of those magazines too, so good.

561
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 2: And that article is called the Rise and Fall of

562
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 2: a North Dallas Cult.

563
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: By George Rodrige.

564
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: And this, my friends, is the story of Terry Hoffman

565
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: and the conscious development cult.

566
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 1: Cults celts, celts, colp.

567
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 2: This is one of the fucking craziest things I've ever

568
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: read about. And I can't wait to read more, Like

569
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: I want to read a whole book on this, because

570
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: this is straight up nutso and I cannot believe in

571
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 2: all the years, of all the twenty twenties and things

572
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: that we've all been watching for years and years, I've

573
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: never seen anything about this lot. It nutso Okay, So

574
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 2: we start now, yeah, crack that beer because this is

575
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 2: going to be long.

576
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: I actually I want to start. I wonder if this

577
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: is the first picture. I wonder. Let's see.

578
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: Uh, Okay, it wasn't shit, dye it?

579
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: Okay, Here's how this article starts. And here it's such

580
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: a brilliant way to get into this story because it's

581
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: not at the beginning, which is always a good again

582
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: left turn. But this is basically how the cops found

583
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: out about this cult. It's Thanksgiving in nineteen eighty nine.

584
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: Didn't put yourself there. I'm fare so much hairs Oh

585
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: my god, all of it is. That's Aussie what do

586
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: you call it? Products?

587
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that purple hairspray? Got it.

588
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: It starts with the smell in an East Dallas neighborhood

589
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: of Lake Highlands.

590
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: They love smells.

591
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: They love the smell. Uh, it's so bad that the

592
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: neighbors call the cops. Firemen of their first on the scene.

593
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: They kick down the door, take a step into.

594
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: The house, walk back out, and throw up on the

595
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: front lawn.

596
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: Oh they always do that, but don't taint the crime scene.

597
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: And or here's a tip to killers and bad people.

598
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: Walk outside. Just put that knife right there. On the

599
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: lawn right in the barfing arc.

600
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: Yick. So then they have to put on.

601
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: Their scott Air packs and which is like the masks

602
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 2: for firemen, and go into the house. The house is

603
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: filled with flies. Uh oh, clouds of flies. Oh oh,

604
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: the red flag.

605
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: So far this house wet the bed. We'd know something bad.

606
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: What's happening In the back of the house.

607
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: Uh, they find former Southern Methodist University business professor David

608
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: Goodman and his wife Glinda, both forty eight. They have

609
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: both been shot with the gun directly against their skulls.

610
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: So and they've been dead for over a month.

611
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: Whoa uh, you guys mind your business here, Like nobody's

612
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: like that's right?

613
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: How it fucking takes so bad?

614
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

615
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 3: Property, I respect it. Yeah, the property. Something goes down.

616
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: Don't worry about it. We're raising flies. That's our choice.

617
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: It's what we get to do. I bought this property.

618
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: I paid taxes on it. There's a shooting gallery in

619
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: one corner of the room, which is a metal stand

620
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: with the paper targets. There's guns on the coffee table

621
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 2: and there's pellet guns leaned up against a wall.

622
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: Sounds chill. Yeah.

623
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: Uh, it was like a rumpus room man cave.

624
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: So also there is an alarm clock at their feet.

625
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: Uh. Police and medical examiners conclude it's a murder suicide

626
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: or some kind of a you know, consensual double death. Jeez,

627
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: which is the name of my new band. I'm sorry, sorry.

628
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: That's good. No, no, that's not no, no, no, no no,

629
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Speaker 1: there's my part up there.

630
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: You guys.

631
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Speaker 2: Uh, thanks, thank you, next thing you like scalp okay okay.

632
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: So so he was an investment advisor who owned his

633
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: own company.

634
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: She kept his books.

635
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 2: He'd been married three times, she'd been married once, and

636
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: friends and families said that they were deeply in love.

637
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: They were ecstatic in each other's company, which is the

638
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 2: nicest sentence.

639
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: No suicide note of any kind.

640
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: Two dogs had been left in the backyard the whole time,

641
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 2: but they were alive, pacing, pacing, angry, and the second

642
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: eight food. They would forget about everything that happened to them.

643
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: Some neighbor was just fucking throwing a handful of kiddle

644
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: over the back like I just.

645
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's nice. That's a good thought.

646
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: And angry yet like caring neighbors, like here's a pork

647
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 2: chop these stupid ships. Okay, but then police find two

648
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: handwritten journals and they find out that they have been

649
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: planning their death for months. God told them to do it,

650
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: and God's spokesperson was the leader of a spiritual group

651
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: that they belonged to called Conscious Developant of Body, Mind

652
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: and Soul.

653
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 3: Like if anyone didn't know that was a cult immediately by.

654
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: That name anytime.

655
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,280
Speaker 2: It's like kind of vague words that suggest a slight

656
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 2: idea but won't get specific. Get out, get away, Okay,

657
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 2: they had been They had been advised to stay away

658
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 2: from family and friends because of their negative energy.

659
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and they also.

660
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: Stipulated in their will that they were giving the leader

661
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: of Conscious Development of Body Mind and Soul half of

662
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: all their future earnings, which must have meant that their

663
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: company was doing really well and one hundred thousand dollars

664
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: like what they had in the bank, which was one

665
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. And the leader of Conscious Development of Body,

666
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 2: Mind and Soul was a woman named Terry Hoffman.

667
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 1: Let's take a look. Oh God, damn it. She is

668
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: hey crazy, hey.

669
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: Hey.

670
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: That's such a good voice. So she sounds like hey, hey,

671
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: hey hey.

672
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 2: Eye contact don't look away from my eyes. Don't look

673
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 2: away from my eyes. Y, would you like some juice?

674
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: Do you want a fourhand massage?

675
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 2: I bet you that was like a secret fear somewhere

676
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 2: deep inside where it's like, yeah, you're gonna get on

677
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: a table and the four hand massage is gonna start.

678
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: Boom. You're giving someone one hundred thousand dollars and you're dead.

679
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: You're in a fucking coult. You're in a cult and

680
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: you can't get out.

681
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: And you're like, I love her, I love Terry, and

682
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 2: I want a shirt.

683
00:35:55,120 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 1: Just like hers. There we go, thank you. Okay.

684
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: So after they find this death reports of patterns of

685
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: deaths like these in the Conscious Development group, they don't

686
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 2: call it a called start up, and so police start

687
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 2: an investigation that year, and they find out that eight

688
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: members of this spiritual group had died prematurely eight and

689
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 2: three of them were sudden accidents, and five had committed suicide,

690
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: and two of the suicides had been Terry's husbands.

691
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: Oh no, so they're like.

692
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like a coincidence to us. And all

693
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 2: of the dead people had named Terry Hoffman as the

694
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 2: sole beneficiary of their estates.

695
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: All of them.

696
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: So Terry, of course it gets talked to by the police.

697
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: And her explanation is very simple and clear.

698
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: The people who joined her group, which was basically what

699
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 2: she said, is, you know, it is a kind of

700
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: a new age meditation group. They were all emotionally troubled

701
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: and invariably prone to take their own lives.

702
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: You know how people are, you know, you just attract

703
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: a certain type.

704
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, meditation, new age suicide.

705
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: It's very common. Yeah, be careful.

706
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: So and she said they had left her their money

707
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 2: in the in exactly the same way that other people

708
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: leave their money to traditional churches.

709
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: So what's the problem.

710
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 2: And the cops were like, great, see you later now.

711
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Very soon after the police investigation started, Terry's two step

712
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: children filed a lawsuit against her, saying that she had

713
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: con contributed to all those deaths through hypnosis, behavior modification,

714
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: mind control, and emotional manipulation.

715
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: Aka Terry was the leader of her own death. Wa Yeah, okay,

716
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: seems so innocent.

717
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 5: I know.

718
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 1: Should we look at her again? Look at her again? Okay,

719
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't see it. Okay.

720
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about Terry Hoffman's background. She was born

721
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: into a poor family. Her mother died of tuberculosis and

722
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 2: she was sent to an orphanage when she was nine

723
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: years old. So there she realized at the orphanage at

724
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: age nine that she was the reincarnation of Saint Teresa

725
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: of a Villa, who, as we all know, all the

726
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: good Catholics in the audience know that Saint Teresa was

727
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: a sixteenth century Spanish noun.

728
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: I had no idea of any of this.

729
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: I was like, shit, and they teach you guys a lot,

730
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: and we memorize it and we take it with us

731
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 2: during our lives. Saint Teresa was a Spanish nun who

732
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: had visions of the Holy Trinity.

733
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: That's the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I know that one.

734
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: Okay, So it's it's Monty Python, God.

735
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: Pctical testicles, wallet watch.

736
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: But.

737
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: Spect you don't knows while I watch? Is this what

738
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 2: JS say about Catholics when we're not around?

739
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: Is that from airplane? I think it's what Austin powers.

740
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 2: No, it's all I'm glad I don't know that reference.

741
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: Then I got taught that at a young age. Okay,

742
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: I think my dad taught me.

743
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: My Okay, good to know. I was much more concerned

744
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: but do you know the Holy Trinity? Because I was

745
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: trying to buck in, Terry Hoffman, you into my cults,

746
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: which is Catholicism.

747
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: If you just have five minutes, I can tell you

748
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: about the Good Word. Okay.

749
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 2: But Saint Teresa had these visions. She believed that she

750
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: was visited by the Holy Trinity. She also believed that

751
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: you could visit the Kingdom of Heaven like rooms in

752
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: a castle. So she would basically kind of like astral

753
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: project into heaven and she told everybody about it.

754
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: So Terry is like me too.

755
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: When she was eleven, she was adopted, but she ran

756
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 2: away four years later to Durrant or Durant, Oklahoma.

757
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: Durant, Oklahoma has been.

758
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: Representing so fucking hard at our shows.

759
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: Hi guys, okay, Hi, we had no idea. I had

760
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: no idea. Thanks for being here, thank you.

761
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 2: So she runs away to marry an eighteen year old

762
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 2: truck diver named John Wilder.

763
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: It's a truck diver. Will I say truck diver? Oh,

764
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: you've never heard of that.

765
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 2: They drive trucks off of peers and then and in

766
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 2: the truck they go fishing.

767
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: It's okay, I did the addict addicts which every show

768
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 3: this weekend.

769
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: This is the weekend that we find out that we

770
00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: have several speech impedimiles, and we're proud of that. Who

771
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: GIRs So Terry, now that she's a married old fifteen

772
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 2: year old, drops out of high school because bucket, and

773
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: she has a daughter in nineteen fifty four. She has

774
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: a son in nineteen fifty eight, another daughter in nineteen

775
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 2: sixty three. They all live on a farm in South

776
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 2: Dallas County. So her, of course, her husband, her eighteen

777
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: year old husband, goes away on these long haul trucker trips,

778
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: and so Terry begins to dabble in the occult.

779
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: She reads books about Edgar Casey.

780
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 2: And she takes classes in hypnotism. By the late sixties,

781
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: they'd moved to Farmer's Branch and good times like, ooh,

782
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 2: we're just yet small houses there were big we'll talk

783
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 2: about it later. So once they get there, she starts

784
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 2: leading meditation classes at her house. And this is basically

785
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 2: when conscious development started.

786
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: So for it's on the level, yes everyone in La. Yeah,

787
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: for fuck's sake.

788
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: Oh that's the thing I forgot to tell you when

789
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: I went over my when I actually got I just

790
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: stuck with a romatherapy massage, and I was like, that's

791
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 2: what people get. Be normal like other people. Yeah, while

792
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 2: you get a massage. I love aroeumatic oils.

793
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 1: Telling it.

794
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 2: But the woman goes, is there any particular areas that

795
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: you want me to focus on or any problems you're having?

796
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 2: And I just go no, I'm just trying to get

797
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 2: back into my body.

798
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: And then we both just stood there staring at each other.

799
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: And then I was like, I'm not in la. You're

800
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: not supposed to say things like that. God, it's so embarrassing.

801
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: Get back in my body. What don't you trying to

802
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: get back in my body? What does that mean? It's deep?

803
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: It sounds deep.

804
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: It just came out, and I thought she'd understand, and

805
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,959
Speaker 2: she is just like, okay, you can.

806
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: Put the robe over there.

807
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: She just pretended like it never happened. I'm going to

808
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 2: use that didn't work. I'm in my fucking body tonight.

809
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: Let me tell you what she must have understood me.

810
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: I've been getting back.

811
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: Thank you.

812
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: It's nice to be here, okay.

813
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: And so.

814
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: It was basically just a talking meditation class. So she

815
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 2: also she would write up and sell lessons like a

816
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 2: little pamphlets herself, and this was the first lesson. It

817
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: was first degree lesson one. That's how it starts. This

818
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: is your first lesson. It is yours in a special way,

819
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 2: since the knowledge contained within it is sacred, secret and mysterious.

820
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 2: It's fucking on the page. It's none of those things.

821
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 2: This information has been treasured and carefully guarded since ancient times,

822
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 2: for knowledge gives its possessor power.

823
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: That's true.

824
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: This sounds like a really long fortune cookie.

825
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: By being exposed to the teachings of the Masters, you

826
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: will not only become aware of the truth, which others

827
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: rarely possess. Yay, but you will also learn how to

828
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 2: use and control energies few have mastered.

829
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm already out you don't like Harry Potter, Okay.

830
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: So it turns out the Masters are, according to Terry Hoffman,

831
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 2: twelve wise spirit guides who would visit earth to give

832
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: advice or warnings to mankind. Only a few people could,

833
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: very rare few could communicate with them.

834
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: Of course, Terry was one of those people, and she

835
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: said that.

836
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: The twelve Masters included Jesus Christ himself and a guy

837
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 2: named Marcus.

838
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: So I'm in one hundred.

839
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 3: I bet Jesus Christ is stoked. He made the fucking grain. Yeah,

840
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 3: he made the list.

841
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: She's like, great, I have so much to tell you. Sorry,

842
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 2: Marcus is talking. You're gonna have to hold on.

843
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: Okay. So, according to.

844
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: Terry, the Master's first appear to her when she was

845
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: four years old, and they told her that she could

846
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 2: have anything she wanted if she tried hard enough.

847
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: It might be true. I mean, depends on what you

848
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: want true.

849
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's think about it first. Okay, I'm here, let's

850
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: do it.

851
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: She also said that the problems that you have in

852
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: your life are coming up because you're paying for bad

853
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: behavior from your past lives. So it's like, Terry, that's karma.

854
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: You didn't make that up. That's Hindu.

855
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 2: Stop it, Terry.

856
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: I wish I was Terry's friend.

857
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: I could just be there when she was writing up

858
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,840
Speaker 2: this pamphlet and be like, Terry.

859
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 1: You're lying. Stop it. Stop typing about Marcus. That's a

860
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: fucking lie.

861
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: Terry a negative energy, Karen. That's why she had to

862
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 3: get rid of all the negative energies, because it was

863
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: Karen telling her, Yeah, because I'm trying to copy it

864
00:45:58,640 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 3: it her bullshit.

865
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: Just be like like you can't put you can't pretend

866
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 2: you made up karma. People will catch you, okay. She

867
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: also preached there's no difference between life and death, as quote,

868
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 2: you will become conscious of the continuity of life. Death

869
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: then will not exist in reality because your existence is

870
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: not dependent on the mere existence.

871
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: Of the physical body.

872
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: What what you can't just put the word existence in

873
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: a sentence seven times and be like, I'm.

874
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: I talk to God. Well, apparently you can. I mean

875
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: you can and she did. Okay.

876
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: So most of her ideas were borrowed from the usual

877
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 2: text that inspired New Age the New Age movement, except

878
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 2: her doctrine that offered forgiveness for sin and was very

879
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: pro sex, like have it as much as you want

880
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: and can Jews, yay?

881
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: Is that what you guys are homes ours?

882
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's your cham particularly no but yes, yes, yeah.

883
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 2: So people were super into this concept basically because they

884
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: were like, oh, I went to I thought I was

885
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: going to yoga class, but it turns out I should

886
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,959
Speaker 2: fuck way more. Is kind of what happened. And people

887
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: are like, I got to go back to my class.

888
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 2: I might start taking it two.

889
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 4: Days a week.

890
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 2: So as the people who are as old as I

891
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 2: am know. The eighties were a time of great materialism

892
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: in this country, great expansion of materialism, and of.

893
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: Course Dallas was a hotbed for it.

894
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 2: There's tons of rich people here because of the oil

895
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: industry and of.

896
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: The TV showed Dallas. I don't know I making up, but.

897
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: I mean it was everywhere obviously, But it was the

898
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: thing that always happens with materialism, where it creates an

899
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: empty hole and people are like, but I bought an

900
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: eighty thousand dollars car and I'm still upset now. I'm

901
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: really freaked out what's going to happen to me? And

902
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: normal religion wasn't helping most people with this feeling, and

903
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: they were turning to new age options. There were a

904
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: lot of people became spiritual seekers, and.

905
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 1: So h Terry's meditation classes.

906
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: She acted she was the wise guru, She had all

907
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 2: the answers, She had a fucking direct line to Jesus

908
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: and Marcus. And as her students sat cross legged on

909
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: the floor, she sat there lecturing, this is straight from

910
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 2: the article, lecturing everyone on anything from personal finance to

911
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 2: sect to ghosts.

912
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, I A don't know.

913
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 2: I'm in that class like sorry, how do you balance

914
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: your check book?

915
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: Again? What's haunted? And meditate?

916
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: But then after that lecture part, then she would speak

917
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 2: in a softer voice, and she would lead the group

918
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 2: in a trance like state, and then the evening ended

919
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 2: with a round of prayer, which I think is really fascinating.

920
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 2: She studied hypnotism when she was younger, and then she

921
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 2: kind of like, I think they're insinuating that she practiced

922
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: it with these groups of people. So, and for an

923
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 2: additional fee, she would give people individual consultations on their

924
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: show about their checkbook. Yeah, she'd be like, Mmm, you

925
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 2: have too much money.

926
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: I need some.

927
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: So when her husband, John, the truck driver, confronted her

928
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 2: about taking her leading a meditation group thing too far,

929
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 2: she claimed that he was impeding her spiritual growth, and

930
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: she divorced him, and soon after he and her adoptive

931
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: mother actually had her committed to a psychiatric hospital for

932
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: examination because it was she was going crazy or she

933
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: was just a woman in the early eighties. But she

934
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: did end up losing custody of her children when the

935
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 2: divorce was finalized in March of nineteen seventy one.

936
00:49:58,880 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: Three months later, she.

937
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: Married Conscious Development member Glenn Cooley, who was a student

938
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: at North Texas State University. Yeah, after they got married,

939
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 2: he dropped out of school.

940
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: Boo, kind of right, and.

941
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 2: He went to work full time at Conscious Development. He

942
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: was twenty years old. She was thirty three. Okay, so

943
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: she was bollin. Then she gets this great idea that

944
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 2: she introduces the concept of crystals and precious gems to

945
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 2: the group and she starts to implore her followers to

946
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 2: start using electrically charged crystals and gems because they had

947
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: protective and healing qualities.

948
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: And luckily, she made jewelry with just those very crystals

949
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: and gems. Beautiful.

950
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: Her and the twenty year old made jewelry together, and

951
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 2: so she urged her followers to buy it. And she

952
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 2: said the more expensive the pieces were, the more they protected.

953
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: That's not how religion works. It's not.

954
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 2: It feels like it has been working that way for

955
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: a long time.

956
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: Well, I'm here to tell you. Oh no, Marcus. Oh

957
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: can we see the picture of the whole group? Oh? Yes,

958
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: is that is that? Okay? Yes? In fact check this

959
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: shit out. Wow, Okay, which.

960
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 2: One do you think terry is at this point? Because

961
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 2: this is the late seventies.

962
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 3: Okay, the one with the beard, No, terry, she's a woman.

963
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: That was the one in the middle, now the one

964
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: it's old floral shirt over there on the side, yes,

965
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: and her husband it's over here in the karate outfit.

966
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: Yes, wait, I asked she I asked Stephen if he

967
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: would zoom in. This is from a little bit later

968
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 2: on in the relays, but not that much later.

969
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: She's not thirty three.

970
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 3: Ooh no, that's a rough thirty three, right, This.

971
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: Is like ten years later. Still, that's not forty three.

972
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 2: Ei looks Sometimes when your boobs are big, they take

973
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 2: up all this space and then you're like, I don't

974
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: want to wear this fucking bra anymore.

975
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: So you're like, fuck it, I have my own cult.

976
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm not wearing a bra anymore.

977
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 2: And also I'm gonna wear this tablecloth as a dress.

978
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:33,799
Speaker 1: Here's your husband. Ah shit, y'all, did you know.

979
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: That's where Matthew McConaughey got a start.

980
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: We can we real quick though, go back? Sure, Okay,

981
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 3: can you guess wait which one Steven is.

982
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 1: When you see it?

983
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: Oh wait, in the very middle, the middle, because there's

984
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: also a secret Stephen over on the left.

985
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 6: Oh shit, Yeah, they're all Steven, you were a whole

986
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 6: cult you I did then know it.

987
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: So they're deeply in love and.

988
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a person in this group and uh

989
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:26,839
Speaker 2: it was Her name was Sandy Cleaver, and she had

990
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: all the jewelry she was she bought into this whole

991
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: concept hook line and sinker, and she had a family trust.

992
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: She came from a lot of money, so she had

993
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 2: the time and resources to dedicate herself to conscious development.

994
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: And she, like of course many people, she had a

995
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 2: life marked with tragedy. Or mother had been in and

996
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 2: out of mental hospitals. Her teenage sister died in a

997
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 2: car accident, and her father had died in a plane crash.

998
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: So she was a seeker.

999
00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:00,479
Speaker 2: She was looking for some kind of spiritual answers and

1000
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: she had she had been in this group since the beginning,

1001
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: and she really believed that Terry was all the things

1002
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 2: that she said and was really helping her. Terry begins

1003
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: to prescribe holistic medicines to her followers, just Rando pills

1004
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: that she had literally driven up in a truck from Mexico.

1005
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: Oh don't take those, you guys.

1006
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was like these are crushed up crystals,

1007
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 2: eat them. No, no, no, I mean that's what I imagine.

1008
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: Why would you It's like, this is a bunch of

1009
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: I'm like Kumin, right, but it's magic. It's kind of

1010
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: I can give you powers or whatever. That's why I

1011
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 2: don't have a cult. So she also convinced. She begins

1012
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,879
Speaker 2: to convince her followers that she can heal, she can

1013
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:56,919
Speaker 2: she can diagnose people's problems telepathically and then prescribe them

1014
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 2: these holistic medicines.

1015
00:54:58,440 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: And this is basically how.

1016
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: She sells her believers these medicines, so they will give

1017
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: the medicines to their family members. Oh and Sandy Cleaver.

1018
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: She Terry basically says, your five year old daughter is

1019
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 2: very sick and needs these medicines, and so Sandy's.

1020
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: Like, let's let's do it.

1021
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: When Sandy filed for divorce a month after Terry filed

1022
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 2: for a divorce, she told her husband it was because

1023
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: he was blocking her spiritual.

1024
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: Development, and they they got in.

1025
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: He sued for custody because he could tell that she

1026
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,479
Speaker 2: was going off the deep end with this meditation group

1027
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 2: that she was in, and he testified at their uh

1028
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: at the hearing that Sandy was giving their five year

1029
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 2: old daughter one hundred and ten pills a day, Yeah, one.

1030
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: Hundred and tunds.

1031
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 3: Yes, I can't even take six vitamins. I know that,

1032
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 3: poor baby.

1033
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: I know it's super nuts.

1034
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 2: But he ends up letting Sandy have have a custody

1035
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: of their daughter. Their daughter's name is Devereux. If you

1036
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:11,479
Speaker 2: weren't sure if they were really rich, they're super fucking rich.

1037
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 2: Because have you ever even heard that name before? Okay?

1038
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: He was so afraid that Sandy was going to because

1039
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 2: he knew that Sandy was studying this thing that said

1040
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: there's no difference between life and death and it's just

1041
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 2: another realm and it's just a different place to travel to.

1042
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: That he was he was afraid if you tried to

1043
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: take Devereux away, she would kill her. So he let

1044
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: her have custody. But they actually put a special provision

1045
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 2: in the divorce decree saying that Sandy was only allowed

1046
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,839
Speaker 2: to take Devereux to licensed physicians.

1047
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: Okay, which is an insane demand, right, No, just kidding, Okay.

1048
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 2: So Sandy becomes once she gets a divorce, she becomes

1049
00:56:55,800 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 2: Terry's full time unpaid assistant, oh interns, And when the

1050
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 2: company gets incorporated she becomes the secret Terry treasurer. She's like,

1051
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, she's there front line. She continually leaves

1052
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 2: Devereaux with their elderly housekeeper and goes to meetings, weekend retreat.

1053
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: She's never around. When she took in a member of

1054
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: a group that was homeless, her ex husband's like, sorry,

1055
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 2: what are you doing. I'm a child in the house,

1056
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: and she said his.

1057
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 1: Negative energy was making Devereux sick.

1058
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 2: So, as the group grows larger, Terry then tells twenty

1059
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 2: five hand selected special people, now, this is the group,

1060
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: but you are my teachers.

1061
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: And so.

1062
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: They got sworn to secrecy, and she told them something

1063
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 2: that could be never be spoken outside of their small group.

1064
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: And she said that was that they're all.

1065
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: Members of what's called a white brotherhood and that they

1066
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: were chosen by the masters to destroy the forces of evil,

1067
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: which was a group called the Black Lords. The wording

1068
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: of this is very problematic and uncomfortable. I want to

1069
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: assume she was just doing that as a like a

1070
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: color thing, but she absolutely could have been racist. We

1071
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 2: don't fucking know what this woman's deal was. She thought

1072
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 2: she was saying, Teresa, the good news is the evil

1073
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: force had only existed on the astral and mental planes. Oh,

1074
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 2: so that's you had to fight them there. Okay, So

1075
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: to kill them you had to take them to the

1076
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: pits of Hell, where their soul and lower bodies would

1077
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 2: be dissolved. But the Black Overlords could not be destroyed

1078
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: in the pits of Hell. They must be destroyed in

1079
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: the electromagnetic dissolving cave.

1080
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: Jesus, I already made a fucking nap.

1081
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: Like when I got to this part of the story,

1082
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 2: I started getting that weird stomach ache where it's like

1083
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 2: when you're little and you get left alone for too

1084
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,439
Speaker 2: long and there's no adults in the room, and you're

1085
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 2: like there's too much kid talking and like kid pretending,

1086
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: where you're like you.

1087
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: Need to shut up for a while.

1088
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: Everybody turn the TV on, like I don't want to

1089
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 2: hear your weird story anymore.

1090
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: That's what this is.

1091
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 2: This is a woman with no filter and no editor

1092
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 2: who's just like, I have another idea, No.

1093
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: Let it marinate.

1094
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Because also there are also garbonds what obeans? No,

1095
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 2: there were things called garbonds.

1096
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: I didn't hear that. I get it.

1097
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 2: This is how unfucking creative this woman was that she's

1098
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: like literally finished as a salad, and she's like, there's

1099
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: also an evil force calls called a garbond zobeine. Garbonds

1100
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: Obeans were six feet tall, covered in slime, house like

1101
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 2: garbonzo beans, exactly like that. They had long beats, they

1102
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 2: looked like gargoyles, and they were known to cross into

1103
00:59:58,080 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 2: the physical and touch you and leaves.

1104
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1105
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: So if that happened to you, and if after thirty

1106
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: seconds your hand tingled or shakes, that's a garbond stuck

1107
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: to it and you have to use your imagination wrap

1108
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: it in barbed wire, stab it and kill it, and

1109
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 2: then imagine the dead garbonds spinning straight up and dissolving

1110
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: into the universe.

1111
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 3: Someone stopped taking their meds someone a while.

1112
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: I guess this.

1113
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 2: Is like when you do a ton of coke with

1114
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 2: a stranger. You're just like, I don't want to talk.

1115
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 1: To you anymore.

1116
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god, can I have two more cigarettes?

1117
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: And I'm going to leave? Okay, So I go way faster. Sorry, Okay.

1118
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 2: So she said that these teachers needed to arm themselves

1119
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 2: with magic symbols, a rod, a sword, a cup, and

1120
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:52,959
Speaker 2: a cloth bag containing a cup of dirt, my god.

1121
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1122
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: She said that they had to wear headbands of gold

1123
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: or silver, the protective jewelry, and and she said they

1124
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: had to wear robes because quote, a properly made robe

1125
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: can give you up to fifteen times more power.

1126
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: This isn't a fucking video game. What is happening.

1127
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 2: It's You're in the worst fucking after school theater class

1128
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: you've ever accidentally joined. So they would sit in circles

1129
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 2: and they would battle the overlords for hours mentally with

1130
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 2: their imagination. And then they would call Terry and give

1131
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: her the body count. We killed two hundred and sixty

1132
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: dark lords but no, I mean black lords, but no overlords. Yes,

1133
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 2: And Terry would be like, I would do that with you,

1134
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 2: but your negative family is making me sick, and I

1135
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 2: have to fight.

1136
01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 1: I have to fight my home garbon zo be.

1137
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: I mean I was there when you know, when we're meditating. Great,

1138
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 3: but now that all is homework.

1139
01:01:49,160 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: In my head? Yeah, like over it, And she there's

1140
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: this whole part.

1141
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you guys have to read these articles because

1142
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: there's so much I'm leaving out and it's so dense.

1143
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 2: But they would she describe or the author, sorry, describes

1144
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,479
Speaker 2: them having to fight these these black lords where there

1145
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 2: they could use as a as a rod or I

1146
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 2: mean as a sword. It didn't have to be a sword,

1147
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 2: it could just be a pen or a letter opener.

1148
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: So they would be like going like sitting there and

1149
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 2: going like this to kill the garbonzobeans.

1150
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: Wow okay.

1151
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 2: Basically, and they listed the kind of people that were

1152
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: in this group. A college professor and advertise, an agency executive,

1153
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:34,360
Speaker 2: a counselor.

1154
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: For the Dallas School District.

1155
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 6: Ooh yeah, all off their meds.

1156
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: So she made them.

1157
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 2: Everything she told them was making them more and more paranoid.

1158
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 2: No one could be trusted outside the group, especially the

1159
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: people who had been and were like, hey, I'm not

1160
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: into the Garbonds thing.

1161
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: I have to go. Okay. There were people who were

1162
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: like goodbye, Yeah, okay, good way, goodbye.

1163
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: But then on February twenty, February second, nineteen seventy seven,

1164
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: her husband, Glenn Cooley was found dead karate kid, the

1165
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 2: karate king. Okay, so they'd been married for six years

1166
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 2: at this point. He worked for the jewelry business. But

1167
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 2: basically when he started hearing about this black lord's thing,

1168
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: he wanted out and he'd actually told his family, like,

1169
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: this whole thing has gone a little crazy and I

1170
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 2: need to get away. So they separated in September of

1171
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six, but he still worked for CD Gems,

1172
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 2: which was the name of their corporation.

1173
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: Thems CD gems. Okay, like Cdjems, like CD Gems.

1174
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 2: She wasn't a smart woman, So the divorce goes through

1175
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: in January of nineteen seventy seven. Five days later, he

1176
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: goes to spend the weekend at his parents' cabin in

1177
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 2: Lake Grapevine and the next day she says she finds

1178
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 2: a handwritten will in her safe. U huh, the most

1179
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: convenient place to leave something. And in the will he

1180
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 2: left everything to Terry. And so there's actually a line

1181
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 2: in the will that says, I will ask that this

1182
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 2: last will of mine will not.

1183
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: Be contested in any way. Oh, that's convenient, it's written in.

1184
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: So she says when she saw that the will he

1185
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 2: put in a safe, she got two of her teachers

1186
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: drove to that cabin and when they got there, they

1187
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: found her twenty five year old ex husband dead in

1188
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 2: bed with a strange ooze coming out of his mouth,

1189
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: and they found a can of beer and some capsules,

1190
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:39,240
Speaker 2: and when the toscology report came back, it was valium

1191
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: and librium in his system. So she Terry tells the

1192
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 2: authorities he was despondent over the divorce and.

1193
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: She told him not to go off alone.

1194
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: But he was basically suicidal, and his death was uncontested

1195
01:04:54,920 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: for thirteen years. Everyone just took her story at face value.

1196
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 2: So then we get into the part where she starts

1197
01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 2: losing followers because she said.

1198
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: The proof of his his death was proof.

1199
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 2: That the black Lords were winning, and the overlords were winning,

1200
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,439
Speaker 2: and so now they need to introduce the next level

1201
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: of protections blood lighting.

1202
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: Oh fuck uh huh. So basically she tells.

1203
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,960
Speaker 2: The teachers the black Lords have the power to poison

1204
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: the blood, and so the blood needed to be drained,

1205
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 2: and it was fine if it's just like a syringe.

1206
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:28,720
Speaker 2: You just take out a syringe of blood every day.

1207
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 2: And all these people are just like, you know what,

1208
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 2: I've been here for the crystals and the gem. He said,

1209
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: I've bought your bullshit. I'm taking pill after pill for you.

1210
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: So people start bailing, even in the inner circle, but

1211
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 2: Sandy Clearer stays in and then Terry starts to tell

1212
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 2: her that her fourteen year old daughter, Deveux is now fourteen,

1213
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 2: and Terry says she's been infected.

1214
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: By the Black Lords.

1215
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 2: Oh so in December seventy eighth, and Sandy was never home,

1216
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 2: never went to Devro's games, she played basketball, she was,

1217
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: you know, in high school and doing all this stuff.

1218
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: And Sandy was completely negligent. But then then she comes

1219
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: to her daughter and says, I want to take you

1220
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: on a trip to Hawaii. So of course Deva's so

1221
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:18,400
Speaker 2: happy and excited, and Sandy's fiance at the time went

1222
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 2: with them, and they went to this area that was

1223
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 2: basically it was like a certain beach, and they took

1224
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: this blue raft out into the water and then they

1225
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 2: don't come back, and so Sandy's fiance calls the cops

1226
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 2: and they end up finding Sandy bloody and stranded on

1227
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 2: this coral reef. And her story is they were out

1228
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,600
Speaker 2: on this thing and a huge wave hit them and

1229
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 2: they got washed up onto this coral reef and she

1230
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 2: couldn't find Devereaux, and they ended up finding Devereux's body.

1231
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 1: Like four hours later.

1232
01:06:53,200 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 2: So when Chuck, the Sandy's ex husband in Devro's dad,

1233
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 2: he finds out that they call him when.

1234
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 1: She's still missing and they haven't found the body yet.

1235
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 2: So he hustles it up and takes a flight the

1236
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 2: next flight to Hawaii, and we get when he gets there,

1237
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 2: Terry's already in Sandy's hospital room. So Sandy's been beaten

1238
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 2: up on these rocks or whatever. Terry's already there. And

1239
01:07:21,240 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: back home in Dallas, somebody had called Chuck's house and

1240
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 2: a family friend answered the phone, and they said, we

1241
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: have a document that you need to see. And it

1242
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 2: was Devereaux's will, a fourteen year old well and in

1243
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 2: it her one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars trust

1244
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 2: that she'd gotten from her mom was left to Terry

1245
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: and so, and in it also there was the line

1246
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 2: that said they specifically asking not to have the will

1247
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 2: be contested. So two months later, Sandy takes out a

1248
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,479
Speaker 2: three hundred thousand dollars life insurance policy on herself, which

1249
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 2: was twice the limit. The insurance agent's like, you don't

1250
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 2: need that much, and she's like, no, I ensist seventeen rings,

1251
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 2: No I need to, And in it Terry is the

1252
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 2: sole beneficiary, and then she transfers the deed to her

1253
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 2: home or the title of her home to Terry, and

1254
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 2: then begins paying Terry rent to live in her home.

1255
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:21,479
Speaker 3: No.

1256
01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:27,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, So in September of nineteen eighty one, Sandy persuades Louise,

1257
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: the old housekeeper that basically raised Devereux herself.

1258
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: She's like, we need to go on a trip to Colorado.

1259
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,760
Speaker 2: The Conscious Development has bought this plot of land for

1260
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 2: a retreat that we're going to build one day, and

1261
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: we should go look at the land. And the seventy

1262
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 2: seven year old housekeeper's like, fuck off, I'm putting my

1263
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 2: feet up. But she basically made her go and they

1264
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: fly out, and it was in an area near Cripple

1265
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: Creek and in near on this mountain and they are

1266
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 2: in the station wagon. They drive up the road to

1267
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,719
Speaker 2: the mountain and fucking off that mountain. Yeah, the cops

1268
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 2: say there were no break there were no skid marks,

1269
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: there were no break marks or anything. It was she

1270
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 2: just drove off the mountain and killed them both. And

1271
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: then they find Terry shows up in Colorado to claim

1272
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 2: the bodies, and she's carrying both women's wills. Oh no,

1273
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:27,960
Speaker 2: everything is left to Terry. And the housekeeper didn't even

1274
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 2: know Terry and she left everything in her will. Yes,

1275
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:38,360
Speaker 2: So Sandy Cleaver's brother takes Terry to court and she's like,

1276
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 2: He's like, this is all a crazy cult and this

1277
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 2: is like mind control and crazy bullshit, and they end

1278
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 2: up because it's it is a document. I don't know

1279
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 2: what happened, but she has to pay and she immediately

1280
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,800
Speaker 2: cashed that three hundred thousand dollars check from a life

1281
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 2: insurance policy, so she has to pay him back half

1282
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,000
Speaker 2: of that money. And then they split the rest of

1283
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: Sandy's estate, so she got half of it.

1284
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, let's see.

1285
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 2: So then there's still a couple followers left after that.

1286
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 2: The Goodman's, who are the people we talked about at

1287
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 2: the very beginning. They're still in and they were they

1288
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 2: were kind of like late adopters, and David Goodman had

1289
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: testified at Terry's trial saying that Conscious Development was a

1290
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 2: discussion group that fosters good vibrations and.

1291
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: Fucking beating boys or some ship.

1292
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 2: Four other group members also testified on Terry's behalf at

1293
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:38,719
Speaker 2: that at that trial, and three of those people would

1294
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 2: end up killing themselves.

1295
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:40,680
Speaker 1: Wow.

1296
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 2: Eventually Terry came out with her own perfume.

1297
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: My guy it's called Good Vibrations.

1298
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 2: And also an acupressure massage therapy course that she's wants.

1299
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 3: Uh.

1300
01:10:58,479 --> 01:10:59,520
Speaker 1: Finally, a criminal.

1301
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:02,600
Speaker 2: Investigation was launched by the Dallas District Attorney's office in

1302
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: January of nineteen ninety Yeah, and they the problem was

1303
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: that it's so difficult to determine. If mind control can

1304
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 2: be determined, it can be cited as a cause of

1305
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:20,599
Speaker 2: death because it's hard to prove. They of course deny

1306
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 2: any wrongdoing that Terry Hoffman's lawyer said, this is a

1307
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 2: witch hunt, and she's a great person.

1308
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 3: She's a witch, Yeah, but a bad witch.

1309
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 2: They can't find evidence linking Terry Hoffman to any of

1310
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:40,280
Speaker 2: the deaths, so she doesn't ever go to jail for

1311
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 2: any of them. But she does file for bankruptcy in

1312
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 2: October of nineteen ninety one, as she's sentenced to sixteen

1313
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 2: months in prison for bankruptcy fraud.

1314
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: In May of nineteen ninety four.

1315
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 2: She only served a year, and in nineteen ninety five,

1316
01:11:55,800 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 2: Unsolved Mysteries did an episode on the disappearance of the

1317
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 2: Terry Hoffins follower, Charles Southern. She she ended up marrying

1318
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 2: five men altogether, and they at the end they wrote

1319
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 2: a book. I'm really mad at myself because I took

1320
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 2: a picture of this thing that I wanted to write

1321
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:20,920
Speaker 2: in the end, but I fucking forgot to write it down.

1322
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,719
Speaker 2: The book they wrote was called I think it's called

1323
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 2: something like Money Colors, and it's basically like how to

1324
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:33,719
Speaker 2: attract money to yourself through wearing different book in your clothes.

1325
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 2: That's something my mom would have read in the eighties.

1326
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: A lot of people read it. In the end, they

1327
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: were like, have you gotten your money Colors done?

1328
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 3: I only eat grape freaking cottage cheese, and I wear

1329
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 3: purple for the money.

1330
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 2: Because the purple symbolizes five hundred dollars. Anyway, she died

1331
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven and that's the end of that.

1332
01:12:55,680 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that was so long.

1333
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 2: I've never I've never had a murder that was less

1334
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 2: fucking skippable. Like normally, when we're reading these, you're like,

1335
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: this isn't important. That's that's a strange detail. Yeah, every

1336
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:13,320
Speaker 2: every thing is not.

1337
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: So no, I'm down. I'm here for the murder. Thank you.

1338
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. All right.

1339
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 2: Wait oh this is okay. This is the illustration. How

1340
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 2: awesome is this? This was the fucking illustration. Now I'm

1341
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 2: not going to be able to get back to page one.

1342
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:33,640
Speaker 2: This is the illustration that was in God bless It

1343
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 2: Texas Monthly magazine.

1344
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:39,599
Speaker 3: Yes, that is a tattoo for the ages.

1345
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,439
Speaker 1: Look how brand.

1346
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 2: Wait and the guy that drew its name was Joel

1347
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 2: Peter Johnson.

1348
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: How amazing?

1349
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:54,120
Speaker 3: That is glorious? We need prayer candles. Bad image, Oh

1350
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 3: good idea.

1351
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 2: And it sucks because I had to do the thing.

1352
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: I made Stephen edit that for me, because I had

1353
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,800
Speaker 2: to do the like the control shift for a thing

1354
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 2: where I had to take a picture on my screen

1355
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: because you can't drag and drop and her little feet

1356
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,519
Speaker 2: are dangling down, she's floating in the air.

1357
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, awesome, okay, and we're back. Great job, Karen, Thank you.

1358
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,799
Speaker 3: Twenty seventeen, way back. When do you have any updates?

1359
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: There are two updates. One of them is so this

1360
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:27,320
Speaker 1: is weird.

1361
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 2: I said in that show that Terry Hoffman died in

1362
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven, but according to Wikipedia, which we know

1363
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 2: is an iron cloud source, Wikipedia says that Terry Hoffman

1364
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 2: died at age seventy seven and twenty fifteen. That's not

1365
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 2: attributed to any source, but that same fact is repeated

1366
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: other places. So Maren looked it up and she can't

1367
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 2: find anything refuting it. But it's almost like that kind

1368
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,679
Speaker 2: of thing when this single source is Wikipedia itself.

1369
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,360
Speaker 1: So not sure, right, that's weird.

1370
01:14:57,439 --> 01:15:00,720
Speaker 2: There is an article in d magazine said that she

1371
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: was alive in twenty fourteen, and so I think a

1372
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:07,880
Speaker 2: part of this is that she remarried after the investigations

1373
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,599
Speaker 2: to a man named Roger Kanneely and changed her name

1374
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: to Terry Lila Conneely. So that might be why no

1375
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 2: one knew interesting when she died, or it didn't go

1376
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 2: out like the same way.

1377
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that was such a good fucking story. So crazy,

1378
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1379
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's get into your story now. This is

1380
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:28,480
Speaker 2: Georgia's story about Sandra Bridewell.

1381
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 3: Put the flag over here, get the flag ready, This

1382
01:15:38,040 --> 01:15:41,759
Speaker 3: out of the way, all right, My murder, you guys

1383
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 3: is again all the information from the same place. Is

1384
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:52,640
Speaker 3: Sandra Bridewell, the black widow of Dallas. I love a

1385
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 3: black widow. I know you love a black widow.

1386
01:15:54,560 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: I just love it.

1387
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 3: This is a weird story, all right. So let's talk

1388
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 3: about Sandra. Let's see a picture of her, Okay, hot,

1389
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 3: that's her. She's gorgeous.

1390
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful. That was an inappropriate reaction, you guys. She's

1391
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: a gorgeous woman. She you want to see them, yes, please, Well,

1392
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: but just because look at her friends. They're also pretty. Yeah,

1393
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: they're all really rich.

1394
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 2: They're having the best fucking Halloween ever because they're really rich.

1395
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: Because they're rich. Okay, let me talk. Let's talk about her. Yeah, okay.

1396
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 3: Sandra is born April fourth, nineteen forty four, in a

1397
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 3: little town of uh Setalia, Missouri. Okay, Sidelia, Yeah, Missouri,

1398
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 3: thank you. Anne was adopted as an infant to parents

1399
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 3: and according to parents, I guess that's weird, right because

1400
01:16:45,479 --> 01:16:50,479
Speaker 3: I cut out their names and okay, yeah. According to reports,

1401
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 3: by the age of three, her adoptive mother, Camille, was

1402
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 3: killed in an auto accident and her father, Arthur, who

1403
01:16:57,240 --> 01:17:00,760
Speaker 3: managed and ran a doctor Pepper bottling plant, and they

1404
01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 3: relocated to Oak Cliff, Texas.

1405
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 1: You guys are rich. No, I'm kidding. No, that's not

1406
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 1: a rich flight. That's later when she's older. Now they're mad.

1407
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 2: Can I just say that I had a doctor pepper

1408
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 2: today and it was so goddamn delicious?

1409
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:21,760
Speaker 3: Is it?

1410
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: The mini bar, and I was like, I always just

1411
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 2: drink automatically drink diet coke. And I was like, hey,

1412
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 2: I'm in fucking Texas. I get to have a doctor

1413
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 2: pepper if I want.

1414
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:32,680
Speaker 1: You guys really know how to live.

1415
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:37,519
Speaker 3: Okay, apologies to oak Cliff because you're not rich.

1416
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 1: I guess all right, it's all kinds of problems. Okay.

1417
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 3: There he uh worked as a cemetery plot salesman, which

1418
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 3: sounds fun. Sandra and her new stepmom they fought all

1419
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 3: the time. Apparently she was real mean to Sandra that

1420
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 3: she said her stepmother regularly locked her in the closet,

1421
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 3: told her nobody wanted her, and then one time was like,

1422
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 3: we're gonna throw you a big birthday party. Ready for

1423
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 3: your birthday party, it's today, And then she's like, JK,

1424
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 3: didn't send out any of the invitations.

1425
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:06,720
Speaker 1: Nobody likes you.

1426
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: Wow, I know what's that lady's problem.

1427
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 3: After graduating from high school where she really didn't date much,

1428
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 3: she was just kind of a quiet girl, she began

1429
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 3: dating lots of dudes and it was kind of in

1430
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:24,080
Speaker 3: her mind that she was like, I'm going to be

1431
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 3: a fucking housewife to a very rich person.

1432
01:18:26,240 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: That's my goal.

1433
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,479
Speaker 2: Nice was like, okay, get it, your old dude, get it.

1434
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: Whatever, do it. We all have different goals in life.

1435
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: I love it.

1436
01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:36,640
Speaker 3: And every dude became smitten with her because she was beautiful.

1437
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 3: And then her friends said that she would do a

1438
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 3: thing called the lady like poor helpless me routine. After

1439
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:46,959
Speaker 3: one year of college, she drops out, and she apparently

1440
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 3: is like a right. She lies all the time, telling

1441
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 3: people that her adoptive parents had been killed, that her

1442
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 3: fit her parents were aristocrats, all this bullshit.

1443
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 1: The aristicats.

1444
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, then she It's a man named David and Steegal.

1445
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 3: He's a fancy dentist.

1446
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: He'd gone to.

1447
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:09,120
Speaker 2: School, Yeah, lots of pinky rings and stuff.

1448
01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:12,479
Speaker 3: He's fancy as fuck. He's a high falutint dentist, you

1449
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 3: know what I mean. Yes, Like, he's like, I'm not

1450
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 3: gonna fucking give you a drill your teeth. I'm gonna

1451
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 3: like do plastic surgery like fancy shit. Oh okay, stuff

1452
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 3: that isn't covered by insurance, that costs a lot of

1453
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,440
Speaker 3: money for high fucking society.

1454
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Yes, got it.

1455
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 2: We're just like, hey, do you want me to give

1456
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: you a dent in your chin. I can do that

1457
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 2: for you, right, I'm a fancy dentist. What was your

1458
01:19:33,720 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 2: childhood dentist's name?

1459
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't remember the dentist. You don't know,

1460
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 1: do you? Yeah, of course I do. That's why I

1461
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 1: asked the question of you remember your childhood. We're just

1462
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 1: asking security questions. That's your mother's maiden name? What's that?

1463
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:55,439
Speaker 1: I didn't hear you.

1464
01:19:56,800 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 3: Have you seen the ones that it's like who's your

1465
01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,679
Speaker 3: favorite niece or nephew?

1466
01:20:00,200 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: It's just like, mean one is that true? I've never

1467
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: seen that one?

1468
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I just know that every single one where they're like,

1469
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 2: what's your first car? And then I'll be like, you know,

1470
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 2: whatever the answer is, And then the next time I

1471
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 2: go there, I'm like, well there was that other one. Yeah,

1472
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 2: Like my mom sometimes let.

1473
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: Me drive the Volvo. I was like, I can't ever

1474
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:18,840
Speaker 1: get into anything, no, I.

1475
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 3: Okay. So she meets fancy dentists. David They he had

1476
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:28,320
Speaker 3: gone to school in Los Angeles and had Hollywood caliber clients,

1477
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:29,480
Speaker 3: but in the Dallas.

1478
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 1: Fucking richie rich set, you know what I'm saying.

1479
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:35,400
Speaker 3: So this is like the mid sixties, everyone's richest fucking Dallas, sure,

1480
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,520
Speaker 3: and he had a thing for fancy stuff, big cadillacs

1481
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 3: and houses and pretty women. They get married in nineteen

1482
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 3: sixty seven. They have three children, and they're raising their

1483
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:51,639
Speaker 3: family in an upscale Dallas neighborhood. But despite his salary

1484
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 3: and his like high falutint reputation, he couldn't keep up

1485
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 3: with Sandra's spending. She was like worth spending at all

1486
01:20:58,920 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 3: because I because.

1487
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 1: Because I said so, Yeah, you didn't really need a reason.

1488
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 3: Okay, So she had she had lavish tastes. She loved

1489
01:21:07,120 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 3: buying art and expensive furniture. And by nineteen seventy four,

1490
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 3: the family is in severe debt.

1491
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:14,439
Speaker 1: Oh no, so.

1492
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 3: He's forced to borrow money from his family to pay

1493
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 3: their bills. And in nineteen seventy five, this situation and

1494
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 3: the marriage is falling apart. It had gotten so bad

1495
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 3: that David tried to kill himself. And by Sandra's story

1496
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: is that she told she found him in a closet

1497
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 3: with a gun pointed to his head, called his coworker

1498
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 3: like his business owner was like business owner, no, you know,

1499
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 3: his business partner, Yeah, thank you. He comes and they

1500
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 3: talk him out of killing himself. But a few weeks later,

1501
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 3: he is found lying in bed with both of his

1502
01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 3: wrist slashed and a gunshot wound to his head.

1503
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a bit overkilled.

1504
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:58,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, seems like well then, I you know, and when

1505
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 3: I found all these like random articles and read it stuff,

1506
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 3: and it's like and it said that the gunshot wound

1507
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 3: was first, you know, so like, clearly he didn't do that,

1508
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:12,360
Speaker 3: But I didn't find that corroborated anywhere, so I'm not

1509
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:12,920
Speaker 3: saying it.

1510
01:22:13,439 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 1: Good use of the word corroborated, though, thank you. This

1511
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 1: is a true crime. Thought, that's right. I know word,

1512
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:23,960
Speaker 1: I know words, some of them, not most of them.

1513
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 3: Okay, So here that was her. Nope, that's someone else.

1514
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 3: That's her, all right. So after his death, she collects

1515
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 3: the insurance on her husband's life and sells his practice,

1516
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 3: and then she begins to eating wealthy men again, which

1517
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 3: is like, man, her husband just killed herself, Like, go

1518
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 3: get yours, honey, poor thing, Like that sucks, right unless

1519
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 3: she kill him.

1520
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, it's hard to know who's side to be

1521
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 2: on it. Probably not the black widows, I would assume.

1522
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:56,360
Speaker 1: So she kind of was.

1523
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 3: Men were spelled by her by her block law and

1524
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 3: then a little more than you know, she's.

1525
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,040
Speaker 2: Hot, she had a really hot blobbery blah blah blah

1526
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,839
Speaker 2: blah blah blah.

1527
01:23:06,760 --> 01:23:07,400
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

1528
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 3: So a little more than three years after her husband dies,

1529
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 3: she marries a well known Dallas hotel guy, an investor hotelier.

1530
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 3: But that's right, Bobby Bridewell. So that's her new her

1531
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 3: second husband. He adopts Santra's three three daughters. They moved

1532
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:27,599
Speaker 3: to upscale neighborhood of Highland Park.

1533
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 1: So she could have she could have been in the

1534
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 1: cult maybe. Oh that's right.

1535
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:36,120
Speaker 2: She was right around the corner, yeah, sharpening her fingernails.

1536
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 3: But in nineteen eighty Bobby is diagnosed with cancer. So

1537
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 3: he while he is recovering from radiation and is trying

1538
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 3: to get better, she is having the entire home remodeled.

1539
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 2: Yes, because you have to cleanse, clap the corners, sage

1540
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 2: the house. Yes, get new Italian furniture.

1541
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 3: Paper, shag carpeting the end. Very important. So she's having

1542
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,639
Speaker 3: it remodeled. And then she says to like her neighbor,

1543
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 3: you know I'm getting this done today. Can you take

1544
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,760
Speaker 3: him in your house for a week and let him

1545
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 3: live there?

1546
01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: Her dying husband.

1547
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 3: Huh, So she moves in with the neighbors. He never

1548
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,320
Speaker 3: returns to his home. Two years after his diagnosis, and

1549
01:24:24,360 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 3: a couple of weeks after this, he dies. So she

1550
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 3: Sandra becomes friends with her late husband's oncologists, doctor John Bagwell,

1551
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 3: and his wife Betsy. They become buddies, and so Betsy

1552
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 3: is the quintessential Highland Park housewife and mother. She's fucking

1553
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 3: Highland Park High School cheerleader.

1554
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:51,320
Speaker 1: She was not. She wasn't as an adult. That would

1555
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:51,719
Speaker 1: be weird.

1556
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:56,719
Speaker 2: You kind of said that, like, Yoda, I know, cheerleader

1557
01:24:56,840 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 2: she was.

1558
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: I get it, I get what I mean.

1559
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, she but but you know she's like, you know,

1560
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,879
Speaker 3: she's the ship. She's she's a hard working lady, Shakespeare

1561
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 3: Festival Junior League, active in the Presbyterian Church, taught Bible

1562
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 3: class for children in her home while raising two around children.

1563
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: So the couple was like, great, we love this ship.

1564
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 3: She's our friend, Sandra, awesome, wonderful, But then she starts

1565
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 3: becoming really like obsessive with them and fucking totally what

1566
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 3: about Bob's one of their vacations and shows up unannounced

1567
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:34,040
Speaker 3: in New Mexico, where they were vacationing. Yes, she fucking

1568
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 3: what about Bob's that ship?

1569
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,840
Speaker 1: What are you guys doing in New Mexico?

1570
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,040
Speaker 3: I think we have a photo of her, So that's

1571
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 3: her and her. That's her third.

1572
01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: Husband, Stephen. That's not him either.

1573
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 3: I thought we had a phone that was it. That's

1574
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:54,600
Speaker 3: Betsy that well okay, wait, sorry, that's the that's the

1575
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 3: wood woman.

1576
01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:58,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then one was just trying to go on vacation. Yeah, okay,

1577
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,200
Speaker 1: So she's like surprise, New Mexico.

1578
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,240
Speaker 3: And then they're like, we need to distance ourselves from

1579
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:10,360
Speaker 3: this woman at that point, so they are trying to

1580
01:26:10,360 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 3: break ties with her, but she's still really insistent with

1581
01:26:12,439 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 3: hanging out with them, even though they try not to

1582
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 3: get her letter in their lives.

1583
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 1: But then in early.

1584
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:21,479
Speaker 3: June eighty two, Sandra calls Betsy and is like, Hey,

1585
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:23,880
Speaker 3: I need to ride to the airport. My car won't

1586
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:28,360
Speaker 3: start some bullshit about that, so Betsy goes to help her,

1587
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 3: takes her to the airport, and when they go to

1588
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 3: the lot where Sandra's car is parked to get her

1589
01:26:34,080 --> 01:26:36,720
Speaker 3: because she had forgotten her driver's license. It's some convoluted

1590
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 3: bullshit story. So then four hours later, after Sandra I

1591
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 3: being the last person to see Betsy. June sixteenth, nineteen

1592
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 3: eighty two, Betsy's Betsy, forty year old.

1593
01:26:50,439 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 1: She's found dead in her Mercedes in the airport parking

1594
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 1: lot where they had been.

1595
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 3: She'd been shot in the head, and her death was

1596
01:26:58,040 --> 01:26:59,000
Speaker 3: ruled a suicide.

1597
01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 1: Right.

1598
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 3: No, So Sandra being the last person to see Bagweb alive,

1599
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 3: all these questions of core surface and there's no evidence.

1600
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,719
Speaker 3: There's not a suicide. Note she'd been living a happy life.

1601
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 3: Everyone who knew her was like, hell fucking no, there's

1602
01:27:17,400 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 3: no way she would.

1603
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:18,360
Speaker 1: Have done that.

1604
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:23,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, but John Bagwell, the husband, hires a private investigator,

1605
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 3: but police closed the case and refused to open it.

1606
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:32,960
Speaker 3: So let's see. So, when Sandra has the funeral for

1607
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 3: her husband who died of cancer, Bobby, she got about

1608
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars as like memorial funds.

1609
01:27:39,960 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: I guess people just like give you money.

1610
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 2: I don't know, that's not usually how it works.

1611
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 3: Well, she didn't really spend any money on his funeral.

1612
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:54,919
Speaker 3: She got like the cheapest casket and all this stuff,

1613
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 3: and it kissed everyone off.

1614
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:56,839
Speaker 4: Okay.

1615
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: June nineteen eighty four, she meets a guy named Alan

1616
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:02,559
Speaker 1: Rare a rearig. He's a good looking.

1617
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 3: Twenty nine year old just moved to Dallas, a former

1618
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 3: college basketball star from Oklahoma. He was going to hit

1619
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 3: it rich in real estate and he's so he's like,

1620
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I want to be rich. And he's driving

1621
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 3: around a highland park. He's like, this is the rich neighborhood.

1622
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 3: Sometimes people who live in these big houses will rent

1623
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 3: out their back house for people like me.

1624
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:23,759
Speaker 1: So he's driving around.

1625
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,719
Speaker 3: She's a hot woman on her fancy lawn and gets

1626
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 3: out and is like asks her.

1627
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 1: Turns out it's our friend Sandra.

1628
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 3: Uh oh, and they and she's like, I don't but

1629
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 3: I'll help you. And of course they fucking fall madly

1630
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,879
Speaker 3: in love with each other, which is like the creepiest

1631
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 3: way to meet someone, right.

1632
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 2: No, I love it in a rich neighborhood on a lawn,

1633
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 2: come on.

1634
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,680
Speaker 1: Croquet style. Yeah, these are the.

1635
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: Seventies people, Okay. So within weeks they're inseparable. Then in

1636
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 3: the fall of eighty four, she says that she's pregnant.

1637
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 3: She tells them she's pregnant, but unbeknownst to him, seven

1638
01:29:02,479 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 3: years earlier, she had had a hysterectomy. So she's fucking lying.

1639
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:07,160
Speaker 1: That's a lie.

1640
01:29:07,240 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, and she also told him she was thirty six,

1641
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 3: but she was really forty one.

1642
01:29:12,720 --> 01:29:16,120
Speaker 1: Girl, that's got a full years. They were really bad

1643
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 1: at that one.

1644
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 3: Do not lie about your age in Texas. So he

1645
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,679
Speaker 3: didn't doubt her though he had no reason to. So

1646
01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 3: they got married in December nineteen eighty four. And then

1647
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,599
Speaker 3: she was like, oh shit, I can't like lie about

1648
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:33,679
Speaker 3: this for a couple of years.

1649
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:35,440
Speaker 1: So she says she has a miscarriage.

1650
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 2: And so I'm just still worried about lying. If you

1651
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 2: lie that you're five years younger than you.

1652
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 1: Are, yeah, you look like shit.

1653
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 2: I mean, dude, Yeah, it is a certain point. It all

1654
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:51,559
Speaker 2: just starts falling apart. Yaues, I was personally a test.

1655
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 2: You're just like, I'm thirty two.

1656
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: Everybody I want to lie up.

1657
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:01,040
Speaker 3: She'll be like, damn, you look good for forty exactly right.

1658
01:30:01,240 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 3: I look really good for forty one seven.

1659
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:06,519
Speaker 1: So it doesn't.

1660
01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:14,719
Speaker 3: I'm so disappointed. Sorry, Okay, Then okay, loses the baby.

1661
01:30:15,080 --> 01:30:21,639
Speaker 2: They know there's no baby, right, loses imaginary baby, all right.

1662
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 3: So he quickly realizes that Sandra loves money.

1663
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: Who amongst us though I'm going to go ahead and

1664
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 1: be fair to her.

1665
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:35,879
Speaker 2: Stop casting stones. This goes to super Bible really fast.

1666
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: So she's like pushing him to make more money.

1667
01:30:40,280 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 3: She takes out a big life insurance policy on him.

1668
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 2: Dang, he tells, yes, they should do something at Like

1669
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 2: when you're in all State and someone comes in and

1670
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:58,080
Speaker 2: they're just like, yeah, hello, I'm just kind of forty five,

1671
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I feel like looking into a

1672
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:04,720
Speaker 2: humongous life insurance policy and the people are like, hold.

1673
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: On nine one one, what's your emergency. I don't know

1674
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: what the emergency is yet, but it's gonna be bad.

1675
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: You can call. Uh, there's like a future crimes hotline. Yes, hey, hello,

1676
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:21,200
Speaker 1: minority Report. Who's this? That's what I was trying to

1677
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: think up. But I was going to say the matrix.

1678
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 1: It's not so I didn't do it.

1679
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 2: Hello, the matrix may help you. Oh no, no, no,

1680
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:31,160
Speaker 2: you want to call minority Report?

1681
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: Okay, good luck? Phone bits? Why haven't we been doing

1682
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: them all along? It was a great idea.

1683
01:31:40,240 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 2: Also, the oldest phone we could be using this is

1684
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:44,639
Speaker 2: the iPhone ten.

1685
01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 1: Hello, Well what do they do now?

1686
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 3: This?

1687
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? Hello? Hello, that's stupid. Oh it's just stupid.

1688
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:56,840
Speaker 2: It's this why didn't you text me? Okay, well we're

1689
01:31:56,840 --> 01:31:57,759
Speaker 2: not friends anymore.

1690
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:01,360
Speaker 1: Okay, we're not friends anymore. Now I have three huge

1691
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: zits right here. Okay.

1692
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,800
Speaker 3: Oh, he tells his friends that Sandras guess how much

1693
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 3: money she spends a month.

1694
01:32:11,920 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: On clothes, food, and travel. Guess how much closed food

1695
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 1: and travel. I guess how much a month she spends

1696
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: a month?

1697
01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:22,160
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's let's talk about how much I spend

1698
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 2: a month on clothes.

1699
01:32:24,080 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 3: Zero Karen, as Jewish friend, I need to tell you

1700
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,080
Speaker 3: you just start spending more money on clothes.

1701
01:32:31,280 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 2: I have Catholic permission to buy more clothes, I'm going

1702
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 2: to say. And it's the eighties, right, m m five

1703
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 2: dollars twenty thousand?

1704
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 1: What the fuck? But how fun of a month would

1705
01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: that be if we could do that? You guys, if

1706
01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 1: we just had.

1707
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:48,720
Speaker 3: One month where we could do that, we would have

1708
01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,200
Speaker 3: the best fucking month.

1709
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 2: But we're would she doing like go into New Mexico

1710
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 2: four times?

1711
01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 1: Like what not? Oh? I don't know.

1712
01:32:57,520 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 3: It's the thing of when people buy expensive clothes, because

1713
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 3: we're like, how that's a lot of clothes up forever

1714
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:02,599
Speaker 3: twenty one?

1715
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

1716
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 3: People shop at adults, shop at real places.

1717
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:10,200
Speaker 1: That's right. Forty one year old shop at reel stores.

1718
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so many shirts that are gonna pull apart

1719
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 2: in three days.

1720
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:15,360
Speaker 1: And why would she waste that money?

1721
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:19,719
Speaker 3: Right, So she could have bought like two power suits

1722
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 3: and that's it, you know, And that's how much they were.

1723
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 1: We don't know, Okay.

1724
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 3: In November nineteen eighty five, the couple separates because of

1725
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,799
Speaker 3: all this the money problems and.

1726
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:36,280
Speaker 1: She's a crazy liar. So he moves.

1727
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 3: In with a friend and they didn't see each other

1728
01:33:39,320 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 3: for several weeks, and then in December nineteen eighty five,

1729
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 3: Sandra calls him and is like, let's meet at the

1730
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:47,840
Speaker 3: storage facility we rent because we need to get this stuff.

1731
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 2: Out of No, thank you. No, never meet anyone at

1732
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 2: a storage facility. Why not say meet me in the

1733
01:33:55,360 --> 01:33:57,599
Speaker 2: middle of the desert, bring your own shovel.

1734
01:33:58,920 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 6: No.

1735
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:03,800
Speaker 3: I met my dad at a storage facility once. But

1736
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 3: I met my dad at a storage facility once, but

1737
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:10,280
Speaker 3: I survived. It was really depressing because we helped. I

1738
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:12,680
Speaker 3: helped him clean his storage facility out, So that's just

1739
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 3: as bad.

1740
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 1: But They're like, it's such a.

1741
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 2: Strange, like desert of nothing miss and weird secrets that

1742
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,760
Speaker 2: people have behind some garage door.

1743
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,439
Speaker 1: I would have not met anyone else I know at

1744
01:34:24,439 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: a storage facility. No, I'm so mad at him.

1745
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, he kept trying to make me take things home.

1746
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:33,519
Speaker 1: Do you want this?

1747
01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 3: No?

1748
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 1: I don't want that.

1749
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:37,920
Speaker 3: Du away it's gonna be okay, just a.

1750
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: Weird old mug from McDonald's.

1751
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:44,639
Speaker 3: Okay, so they're gonna meet at the storage facility and

1752
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:50,679
Speaker 3: he doesn't show up, right, Oh, so she says, next

1753
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 3: thing we know, he is found slumped over in his

1754
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 3: Bronco in Oklahoma. He had been killed by gunshots to

1755
01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 3: the head and chest, and it was apparent that his

1756
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:05,519
Speaker 3: body had been driven to Oklahoma in that car.

1757
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:07,880
Speaker 1: Oh. I don't know how they knew that, but that's

1758
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: the story. I want to say what I think it is,

1759
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: but it's inappropriate. What don't tell me? I won't tell me.

1760
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:22,840
Speaker 1: Just his hair was blown back. You made me say it,

1761
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:23,679
Speaker 1: and now I'm.

1762
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:27,800
Speaker 5: The fucking bad guy.

1763
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 1: It's not. It's sad, but.

1764
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 2: Within sad things, that's when my mind starts going. Isn't

1765
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 2: there something funny about this? Sad thing that we could say.

1766
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 3: And that's when you laugh at a woman who just

1767
01:35:42,160 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 3: told you her sister's die.

1768
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: That's how the world works.

1769
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 3: That's yeah, how you doing?

1770
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm all right? Are you warm? You're hot? You're warm? Hot? Yeah?

1771
01:35:56,080 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, so he So Santra's a suspect, but she's

1772
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 3: totally uncooperative. She won't speak to anyone and let and

1773
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 3: she won't let anyone speak to her her daughters who

1774
01:36:05,720 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 3: are older now, and that this time she becomes known

1775
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:13,240
Speaker 3: as the Black widow and Dallas in the high society,

1776
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 3: and Dallas starts talking Matt shit about her all the time,

1777
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:16,639
Speaker 3: and like, do.

1778
01:36:16,600 --> 01:36:18,120
Speaker 1: You know about this thing? You know this thing she did,

1779
01:36:18,120 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, oh fuck, this woman's crazy.

1780
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 2: There were probably parties planned specifically to talk shit about her,

1781
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:27,799
Speaker 2: because that's the third husband she that's died, right, yeah,

1782
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:32,360
Speaker 2: within in their purview, right, you'd be like, by the cannipas,

1783
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:34,280
Speaker 2: we have shit to talk about.

1784
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 1: Over break out the caviar. Everybody, get a scuba caviar

1785
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 1: and sit down. I'm going to tell you something exactly.

1786
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:49,360
Speaker 3: So Also, which is highly unusual, the FBI fucking gets

1787
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 3: in onto the murder probe and they're like.

1788
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you meant the gossip FBI, guess what

1789
01:36:55,400 --> 01:37:02,840
Speaker 1: I heard. Sorry, she's of course a suspect.

1790
01:37:03,120 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 3: And when they get a phone call from an anonymous

1791
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 3: woman called the Highland Park deep Throat, which is like

1792
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 3: troublesome on so many levels. It's not creative. First of all,

1793
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:21,799
Speaker 3: it makes everyone think of jfk oh, someone's dad here tonight.

1794
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,160
Speaker 2: I mean absolutely at least four of them.

1795
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:30,919
Speaker 3: And then she scrimps again on funeral expenses, least expensive casket,

1796
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,600
Speaker 3: convince his friend to cover the burial bills because she

1797
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 3: forgot her wallet at the funeral.

1798
01:37:36,280 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, bitch, no, but like you're going to.

1799
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:42,000
Speaker 3: A funeral, you're not going to be like, let me

1800
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 3: grab my wallet, you know what I mean?

1801
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,240
Speaker 1: No, yes, you are. Your wallet's in your purse.

1802
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,559
Speaker 2: You're not a man. You didn't forget it on the counter.

1803
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 2: It's all in that one satchel that women have carried

1804
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 2: since the dawn of time. Okay, so go ahead and

1805
01:37:57,040 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 2: throw that on your shoulder every time you leave the house,

1806
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 2: and that would never happened to you.

1807
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:01,400
Speaker 1: You're right.

1808
01:38:01,840 --> 01:38:04,880
Speaker 2: You don't imagine walking into a funeral free hand like that.

1809
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 2: Just like, Hey, I'm grieving. Where do I put my hands?

1810
01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:11,639
Speaker 2: It makes no sense.

1811
01:38:12,160 --> 01:38:14,120
Speaker 3: It's that friend who always goes out with that and

1812
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 3: didn't want to carry her purse, and so you have

1813
01:38:16,360 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 3: to pay for her dinner, except you have to pay

1814
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 3: for her husband's funeral.

1815
01:38:21,720 --> 01:38:25,719
Speaker 2: God, that's like high society scumbag action right there.

1816
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Okay. And she was late for the services of her

1817
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:36,760
Speaker 1: own husband's funeral. Yeah, she doesn't give a shit.

1818
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 3: No, she arrived at the very last minute dressed to

1819
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 3: the nines in a fucking mink coat.

1820
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:49,520
Speaker 1: No, no, no shite.

1821
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,320
Speaker 2: She rolled up like ludicrous at that funerals.

1822
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:57,000
Speaker 1: She's just like hey, She's like, what's up?

1823
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:02,680
Speaker 2: Call me?

1824
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 1: That's oh my god, huh Jesus.

1825
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 3: And by this by this time she had gotten the

1826
01:39:13,120 --> 01:39:15,799
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty thousand dollars from the life insurance

1827
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 3: less than a year after his death. She gets the

1828
01:39:19,439 --> 01:39:21,879
Speaker 3: fuck out of Dallas for good, because I think everyone

1829
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,479
Speaker 3: is just talking so much shit.

1830
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 1: Just like, sorry, let me light this tourch real quick.

1831
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 2: Just knna.

1832
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1833
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 3: Relocates to Marin County.

1834
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:35,519
Speaker 2: Oh that's in the North Bay of California. Yeah, right

1835
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 2: near you, kind of near me, Okay, Marin County is

1836
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:42,960
Speaker 2: the richest county in California, I believe she Yeah, and

1837
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:47,799
Speaker 2: my county Wasnoma County, which we had the most chickens.

1838
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 1: Proud, proud fact impressive. Okay.

1839
01:39:56,520 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 3: So then, of course she's still fucking hot and beautiful,

1840
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:01,360
Speaker 3: and no one knows she changes her name, no one

1841
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:05,599
Speaker 3: knows her past. And so one man loans her twenty

1842
01:40:05,640 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 3: three thousand dollars. There, another man loans her seventy thousand dollars.

1843
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:10,880
Speaker 1: The dude she's cooking up with.

1844
01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 3: Neither of them saw a penny of it back, and

1845
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:16,880
Speaker 3: even though they have both brought her to court, so

1846
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:19,799
Speaker 3: she moves around a lot from there, using social Security

1847
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 3: numbers of other people, takes out credit cards and other

1848
01:40:23,200 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 3: people's names, including.

1849
01:40:25,080 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 1: Her three kids.

1850
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,000
Speaker 3: Of course, who fucking credit she destroyed, which like, oh,

1851
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:30,439
Speaker 3: I always hate those stories.

1852
01:40:30,520 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 2: That's her least favorite part of the story.

1853
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,759
Speaker 1: Credit is so important. Good credit.

1854
01:40:37,840 --> 01:40:41,320
Speaker 3: In two thousand and six, she resurfaces in North Carolina

1855
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 3: and began using the name Camille Camille Bowers, and she

1856
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:49,519
Speaker 3: tells everyone that she is not a nun, but like

1857
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 3: a religious person, I guess, and she does like. She

1858
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 3: goes to India to take care of children and build

1859
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:57,320
Speaker 3: houses and stuff.

1860
01:40:57,360 --> 01:41:01,560
Speaker 1: Way is this the Mother Teresa's story. Yeah, this is

1861
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 1: how mother Teresa started. So she's telling all these people that.

1862
01:41:06,600 --> 01:41:09,839
Speaker 3: And so she moved in with a woman named Sue Moseley.

1863
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 3: She's a seventy seven year old woman who lived in

1864
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:16,520
Speaker 3: a million dollar home on the Carolina Coast. She's incredibly wealthy,

1865
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:20,759
Speaker 3: and she was basically going to live in the house

1866
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 3: and take care of the housework, and she'd get free

1867
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,080
Speaker 3: room and board, which is like, that's fucking sweet, sign

1868
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 3: me up. So then of course she sets to work

1869
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:34,720
Speaker 3: taking over this woman's finances. She collected tax records, rerooted

1870
01:41:34,760 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 3: her Social Security payments to a new account, took money

1871
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:41,200
Speaker 3: off the mortgage, siphoned off the mortgage money. She'd like

1872
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:43,080
Speaker 3: intercept the money and they were and then she'd get

1873
01:41:43,080 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 3: the mail every day and it was like your house

1874
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:46,519
Speaker 3: is going to get foreclosed on, and she'd be like.

1875
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 1: Shred, you know, yes, that's how I do everything.

1876
01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:55,360
Speaker 3: So she just fucking uses all this woman's money. She

1877
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:56,479
Speaker 3: goes to it, she's like, oh, go look you at

1878
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 3: the bank. Sure, let's run an erran and then like

1879
01:41:58,280 --> 01:42:00,600
Speaker 3: meets the teller. So they'd like know her, and she's like,

1880
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 3: I'm with care whatever. So then her son, Jim Mosley

1881
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:08,880
Speaker 3: gets really suspicious and in early two thousand and seven,

1882
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:13,360
Speaker 3: he comes across a lengthy newspaper report in the Dallas

1883
01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 3: Observer chronicling Sandra's life. Oh and the reason she left

1884
01:42:17,320 --> 01:42:23,280
Speaker 3: Marin is because in the d magazine Fucking Our Friends

1885
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 3: skips Holland Warth wrote like a tell all about her

1886
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 3: and like people saw it Marin and she was like,

1887
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 3: getta get out of here.

1888
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 1: Are you serious? Yeah?

1889
01:42:31,760 --> 01:42:36,120
Speaker 3: So finally that with working with police, there's with Jim.

1890
01:42:36,240 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 3: There's a sting, please sting, which sounds fun. And on

1891
01:42:40,160 --> 01:42:42,799
Speaker 3: March second, two thousand and seven, she's arrested in Charlotte,

1892
01:42:42,800 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 3: North Carolina, and she's charged with identity theft, thraud.

1893
01:42:46,120 --> 01:42:50,799
Speaker 1: Fraud, sucking. Throd is so much worse than fraud, you guys,

1894
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:56,560
Speaker 1: theft and theft and fraud. Yeah, fraud, theft and throat.

1895
01:42:56,560 --> 01:43:01,479
Speaker 3: Make this easier quicker thrad male that thief, theft and

1896
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:03,040
Speaker 3: social security fraud.

1897
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 2: They wait, sorry, but can you imagine You're like, there's like, oh,

1898
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:11,400
Speaker 2: my elderly mom has a new young roommate who really

1899
01:43:11,479 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 2: has an interest in her life and the bank, and

1900
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:17,840
Speaker 2: then you pick up a magazine that has an entire

1901
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 2: article about this woman and.

1902
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:23,280
Speaker 3: How she maybe killed husbands and a woman. Yeah, yeah,

1903
01:43:23,479 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 3: murders people maybe fucking nuts. Okay, So because of that

1904
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:33,719
Speaker 3: they knew interest in the death of Allan Rarek is renewed.

1905
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:37,560
Speaker 3: Oklahoma City Police put new resources and manpower into the investigation.

1906
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 3: On February two thousand and eight, Sandra Camill Powers pleaded

1907
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 3: guilty to one count of identity theft, and at her

1908
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:49,040
Speaker 3: fucking trial, the mother of Allan is in the fucking

1909
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,680
Speaker 3: audience just being like, yeah, bitch, I'm going to come out.

1910
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 1: She wears a pin with her son's face on it,

1911
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 1: just so she could. She said, I.

1912
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 3: Wanted her to see his face and know that I'm

1913
01:43:58,000 --> 01:43:59,599
Speaker 3: fucking not giving up on this.

1914
01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:06,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, fucking mom's damn. Yeah.

1915
01:44:06,280 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 3: So she's in prison and they are looking into the

1916
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:11,559
Speaker 3: death and they're not giving up on it.

1917
01:44:11,680 --> 01:44:14,960
Speaker 1: Nice. That is your black widow, Sandra Bridewell, You.

1918
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:24,120
Speaker 2: Guys, that was amazing. You know what I think would

1919
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 2: be fun? Huh? We should ask Stephen, because you know,

1920
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:30,519
Speaker 2: Stephen puts that we find those pictures and then he

1921
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 2: puts them on those immortises. Basically, we should tell him

1922
01:44:34,160 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 2: put up one one random picture at the end, because

1923
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:38,759
Speaker 2: for some reason, I just want to press this button

1924
01:44:38,800 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 2: one more time. But there's nothing. There's Betsy.

1925
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:43,160
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

1926
01:44:43,720 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I pulled the lights. I just put

1927
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:50,200
Speaker 2: us into a vacuum. Uh.

1928
01:44:50,240 --> 01:44:53,120
Speaker 3: Well, that's her with that's Alan right there with her

1929
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 3: her children.

1930
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: Look how cutious?

1931
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 5: Wait?

1932
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:59,479
Speaker 1: And so is that is that hers? Yeah? She looks

1933
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: different in every picture, like I don't hurt the other

1934
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 1: one wasn't. No, No, I know that. But then that's

1935
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 1: her there with him too, as right, But.

1936
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:12,360
Speaker 2: That doesn't look like the lady's laying sideways with her

1937
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:13,240
Speaker 2: weird eighties hair.

1938
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 3: To me, I think that's fair. Do you think it's

1939
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 3: a bunch of different women.

1940
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, finally I get to say my theory.

1941
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:30,800
Speaker 1: We solve it. It's quadruplets. Okay, we're back. Are there

1942
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:32,040
Speaker 1: any updates for that story?

1943
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:35,160
Speaker 3: There are some updates. No one has ever been charged

1944
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:38,360
Speaker 3: in the death of Alan Rerigg. In twenty twenty four,

1945
01:45:38,439 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 3: true crime author John Leek released the book The Meaning

1946
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:44,080
Speaker 3: of Malice on the Trail of the Black Widow of

1947
01:45:44,160 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 3: Highland Park. It tells a story of Sandra Bridewell and

1948
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:51,240
Speaker 3: presents new evidence and exposes how she evaded scrutiny.

1949
01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:52,719
Speaker 1: By law enforcement. So check that out.

1950
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 3: And the podcast Fatal Beauty also does a deep dive

1951
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 3: on Sandra, so check that out as well.

1952
01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:00,840
Speaker 2: And then let's go back and listen to the hometown

1953
01:46:00,920 --> 01:46:02,960
Speaker 2: that we got at this live show.

1954
01:46:06,600 --> 01:46:09,759
Speaker 1: Okay, do we have time, Yeah, let's do atown murder

1955
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: you guys.

1956
01:46:13,680 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 2: It's just like under that thing I was like in

1957
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 2: that table big time.

1958
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:21,760
Speaker 1: Okay, the rules, Okay, listen, this.

1959
01:46:21,840 --> 01:46:24,080
Speaker 2: Is the hometown murder part where we want somebody to

1960
01:46:24,080 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 2: come up here and tell us your hometown murder.

1961
01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:28,120
Speaker 1: We'd love it if it was local, we love it

1962
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:28,719
Speaker 1: if it was short.

1963
01:46:28,760 --> 01:46:30,880
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to read off paper, and you can't

1964
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 2: be so drunk that you can't follow your own line

1965
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 2: of thinking. You have to be able to tell your

1966
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:36,760
Speaker 2: story concisely.

1967
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Speaker 1: Can we get Oh god, oh my god, this is

1968
01:46:44,840 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm panicking. Everyone looks so nice now about you and this? Yeah,

1969
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Speaker 1: you in the front.

1970
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:50,639
Speaker 2: Oh.

1971
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 1: She made a face like all right.

1972
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Speaker 2: That's gonna be good. And that's a good sign. There's Vince.

1973
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:06,480
Speaker 1: Him.

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Speaker 2: Angela, Hi, Angela, Hi, Angela, Hi, Come get any stand

1975
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Speaker 2: in the middle.

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Speaker 1: Come here, okay, here cool? Sure? Yeah? Where are you from?

1977
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:21,000
Speaker 1: Fort Worth? Fort Worth? Yeah? Really bright?

1978
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,760
Speaker 3: I know it's bright or you have to see all

1979
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:25,760
Speaker 3: the people and it's scary, so you just have.

1980
01:47:25,680 --> 01:47:28,599
Speaker 5: To go to Blight's Okay. So I went to high

1981
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 5: school with the killer, hung out together. Oh he was

1982
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 5: a jerk, though he made fun of me for being fat.

1983
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Speaker 1: Fuck damn.

1984
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Speaker 5: Yeah, So y'all didn't cover anything fort Worth. But we

1985
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:42,799
Speaker 5: had a serial killer in the eighties.

1986
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Speaker 2: But well, did you come up here to admonish us

1987
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,120
Speaker 2: because you'll get fucking kicked.

1988
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 1: Off this stick? Oh mind's really good. Don't kick me off?

1989
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:58,360
Speaker 1: Please don't Okay okay.

1990
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 5: So September noineteen eighty four, there was a girl named

1991
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 5: Ginger Hayden and her mother found her murdered in her

1992
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:07,879
Speaker 5: apartment bedroom.

1993
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 4: She had been stabbed fifty seven times.

1994
01:48:09,640 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 5: Foo and I went to high school with Ginger and

1995
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,519
Speaker 5: she was hanging out with all the same people I

1996
01:48:15,560 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 5: hung out with. But for whatever reason that summer I

1997
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:21,720
Speaker 5: didn't hang out with them. So I didn't know Ginger well.

1998
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:25,640
Speaker 5: But it was a cold case. I do remember. I

1999
01:48:25,640 --> 01:48:27,200
Speaker 5: went to her funeral and that was one of the

2000
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 5: saddest things ever. Yeah, but so for years they didn't

2001
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:34,360
Speaker 5: know who did it. They for twenty six years they

2002
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 5: didn't know, but they thought it was either the boyfriend,

2003
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 5: the neighbor, or there was actually a rapist who lived

2004
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 5: to the apartments too, like pick one true, great, a.

2005
01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 4: COMPLX, great complex food just there.

2006
01:48:47,120 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 2: Later they're like, interesting, stuff's happening over there, ginger lived

2007
01:48:55,400 --> 01:48:56,080
Speaker 2: over there.

2008
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 5: But yeah, twenty six years later, DNA showed that this guy,

2009
01:49:01,560 --> 01:49:04,000
Speaker 5: she who we all actually knew he did it, and

2010
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 5: he kind of freaked out six months later after the

2011
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:07,519
Speaker 5: murder and left.

2012
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 4: He said, you guys thought I think I did it.

2013
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:12,559
Speaker 5: And he left and they never saw him again, which

2014
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 5: is one of those Okay, instantly you know he's the one.

2015
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:19,639
Speaker 4: But yeah, so now he's serving a life sentence in prison.

2016
01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah that's great. So he was one of the kids

2017
01:49:24,760 --> 01:49:26,840
Speaker 1: who hung out in the group, and was he her

2018
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:28,360
Speaker 1: boyfriend or he's.

2019
01:49:29,200 --> 01:49:30,559
Speaker 4: He was in love with her, but she was with

2020
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:32,639
Speaker 4: somebody else, and.

2021
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:34,800
Speaker 1: They didn't look into him. They never suspected him.

2022
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 4: Oh they did, they just couldn't.

2023
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:40,400
Speaker 3: P Yeah, and the good old DNA, our friend DNA. Yeah,

2024
01:49:40,439 --> 01:49:41,960
Speaker 3: oh my god, that's amazing.

2025
01:49:42,200 --> 01:49:44,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was really weird because when the when the

2026
01:49:44,520 --> 01:49:47,320
Speaker 5: trial starts happening, Okay, there was a few of us

2027
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 5: girls who always kind of kept up with it, and

2028
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:50,920
Speaker 5: we kept writing through the reporters, going are you going

2029
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:51,439
Speaker 5: to cover it?

2030
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 4: Well?

2031
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:56,120
Speaker 5: When it came about the judge wouldn't let the reporters in.

2032
01:49:56,240 --> 01:50:00,439
Speaker 5: He would not let them have Chevy cameras. So most

2033
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 5: of the local news didn't really cover it. But this

2034
01:50:03,400 --> 01:50:06,400
Speaker 5: one reporter wrote about it, and she quoted me saying

2035
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 5: we never forgot her. That was not me saying I

2036
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:11,600
Speaker 5: was her friend, because that would be disrespectful because I

2037
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:13,439
Speaker 5: didn't know her that well. But all of a sudden,

2038
01:50:13,479 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 5: forty eight hours is calling me, and different reporters are

2039
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:16,799
Speaker 5: calling me, and I'm.

2040
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:21,679
Speaker 4: Like, no, I can't put on. But it was so funny.

2041
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:22,840
Speaker 4: The guy from forty eight hours.

2042
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:24,799
Speaker 5: Was like, you went to high school with my uncle,

2043
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:27,719
Speaker 5: and I was like, dude, you hadn't get forty eight hours.

2044
01:50:33,200 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 4: I did not let myself get interviewed.

2045
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:37,680
Speaker 5: Okay, nobody else would either, because they were afraid if

2046
01:50:37,680 --> 01:50:39,679
Speaker 5: he was found not guilty, come actress.

2047
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 1: But he's guilty and he's away for hours. Yeah, oh good,

2048
01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:48,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god. That was amazing job. Here, yes, here,

2049
01:50:49,240 --> 01:50:56,680
Speaker 1: you get the red one Angela.

2050
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,080
Speaker 4: And by the way, my niece is with me. He

2051
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 4: had to be ip to meet her.

2052
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:05,080
Speaker 5: Oh great, her husband's family knew the eyeball killer.

2053
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: Wow. Oh honey, where'd you go to see her? Where

2054
01:51:11,320 --> 01:51:15,600
Speaker 1: she's laying on the floor. Let's hear for Angela, everybody.

2055
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:21,759
Speaker 1: That was amazing cream. Oh my god, what a perfect ending,

2056
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:23,800
Speaker 1: What a perfect ending.

2057
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:31,400
Speaker 2: Okay, we're back, George. You want to give any updates

2058
01:51:31,479 --> 01:51:32,679
Speaker 2: for that hometown?

2059
01:51:32,760 --> 01:51:36,000
Speaker 3: Sure, there are no updates, but Shane Absalom remains in

2060
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:39,000
Speaker 3: prison serving a life sentence for Ginger Hayden's murder.

2061
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 2: All right, well, let's move on to the title. Then.

2062
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:44,880
Speaker 2: This episode was originally titled Live at the Majestic Theater

2063
01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,120
Speaker 2: in Dallas, but there's some suggestions for what we could

2064
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:49,160
Speaker 2: name it today.

2065
01:51:49,479 --> 01:51:51,759
Speaker 1: Let's name it a trough of mac and Cheese.

2066
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:55,479
Speaker 2: I want that right now, So aka, everything I ate

2067
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:57,400
Speaker 2: on tour for five years.

2068
01:51:57,240 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 1: Surely, and then I deserve wreck UNEs for sure, you do.

2069
01:52:02,600 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 2: We all do a fourhand massage with raccoons. There's also cults. Cults, cults,

2070
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 2: which is you talking about? Basically, both of our stories

2071
01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:12,080
Speaker 2: are kind of culty.

2072
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the barfing arc.

2073
01:52:14,240 --> 01:52:17,120
Speaker 2: Well, that's rewind. This is what this show is. We've

2074
01:52:17,160 --> 01:52:18,720
Speaker 2: done it, you did it, and we're actually going to

2075
01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 2: say goodbye. From way back in twenty seventeen Dallas, these

2076
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:28,760
Speaker 2: shows have been so fucking incredible. We knew it was

2077
01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:31,799
Speaker 2: going to be good because you guys, from the beginning

2078
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 2: of this podcast have had this area in Houston, sorry,

2079
01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:41,759
Speaker 2: both places have had the highest number of listeners for our.

2080
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:44,200
Speaker 1: Podcasts from kind of Ball across the board.

2081
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you guys have been so supportive of us, and

2082
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 3: we appreciate it so much. Everyone we've met this weekend

2083
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 3: has been so kind and every show has been so

2084
01:52:55,080 --> 01:52:56,560
Speaker 3: much fun and supportive.

2085
01:52:56,240 --> 01:53:02,479
Speaker 1: And fucking loud. You guys are so awesome. It really.

2086
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:06,519
Speaker 2: It sounds super cheesy, but we really mean it. The

2087
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 2: fact that this is what we get to do for

2088
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 2: a fucking living now is the funnest and most exciting thing,

2089
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:11,879
Speaker 2: and it's.

2090
01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:12,799
Speaker 1: Because of your support.

2091
01:53:13,160 --> 01:53:15,720
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for being here, Thank you so

2092
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 2: much for listening, and of course, as always, stay sexy and.

2093
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:25,639
Speaker 1: Bye you guys.

2094
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:26,720
Speaker 3: Thank you