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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick. The Cubs

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Speaker 1: take two of three from the Marlins. If you know,

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Speaker 1: if I'm just if this is the start of the

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Speaker 1: season or something, if they're fully healthy, if everyone's there,

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Speaker 1: I probably say, hmm. They you know, they barely get

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Speaker 1: those two of three. You know, nothing special there. They're

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Speaker 1: They're grinding through it right now. I don't think they're

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Speaker 1: playing their best baseball. They're banged up. They've lost their

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Speaker 1: two best starters, their leadoff hitters on the shelf temporarily.

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Speaker 1: They they need to just take series wins. I don't

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Speaker 1: care how bad or good the teams are right now.

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Speaker 1: You take the series win and enjoy it. They have

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Speaker 1: that series win because they took the first two games

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Speaker 1: and that second game looked like it was going to

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Speaker 1: be loss and like not a fun one. I think

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Speaker 1: Cubs fans would have been pretty upset after this series

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Speaker 1: if you lose it. But Justin Turner finally has his

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Speaker 1: big Cubs moment, right when Moises bias Terrace is called

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Speaker 1: up and the DFA calls are coming for Justin Turner.

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Speaker 1: He delivers his big hit. It was it was you know,

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Speaker 1: it felt like it was. It was a long time coming.

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Speaker 1: It's only middle of May, but he got it.

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Speaker 2: No doubt.

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Speaker 3: And the side of I want you to give our

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Speaker 3: listeners sort of like the story behind the story, because

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Speaker 3: we're always whether it's slack text messages, sidebars that we're

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Speaker 3: always talking about story ideas and how to execute them.

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Speaker 3: And you know, what are people talking about? What are

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Speaker 3: people gonna want to read about? And Justin Turner was

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Speaker 3: that nay internet name of like will they or won't they?

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Speaker 2: DFAM?

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Speaker 3: We did not get that sense. But I mean you

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Speaker 3: went straight up to him during Tuesday's pregame media availability

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Speaker 3: in the clubhouse, go to his locker. What what sort

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Speaker 3: of the vibes he was projecting? You know, we read

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Speaker 3: the story after you know, the you know, walk off

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Speaker 3: hero moment, but how is he sort of processing this

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Speaker 3: slow start and trying to get out of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean, you know what it's like being

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Speaker 1: in a clubhouse, being around slumping guys. It can be

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Speaker 1: hit or missed depending on how much they want to talk,

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Speaker 1: whether they want to talk, whether they avoid you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Justin Turner, well, we've known him since February, right, we

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Speaker 1: just haven't spent a lot of time with him. But

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Speaker 1: he's never come across as someone that's difficult to approach.

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Speaker 1: So I went right up to him, no hesitation from him.

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Speaker 1: I let him know right away, this is what I

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Speaker 1: want to talk about. And you know you're struggling, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you're not used to this and happy about it,

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Speaker 1: but just want to go through your process, uh, and

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Speaker 1: how how it's working, how you're trying to get to

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Speaker 1: your best self.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's doing all the things that you'd expect

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Speaker 1: to hear, working in the cages, that breaking down mechanics,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's surely something that is impossible for us

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Speaker 1: to fully uh to see at least, it's mostly a

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Speaker 1: timing thing. And he said exactly what counsel told us

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Speaker 1: a few days before, which was he's he's missing the

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Speaker 1: pitches he should be moving forward. They all every pretty

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Speaker 1: much every position player you talk to is going to

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Speaker 1: say this. If you foul off that pitch center center,

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Speaker 1: you are not going to see another good pitch that

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Speaker 1: at bat you have to do damage on those mistake

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Speaker 1: pitches quote unquote right. So I think that's how you.

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Speaker 1: I think that's how hitters look at it. I think that's, uh,

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Speaker 1: that's how Justin Turner was looking at it. I also

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Speaker 1: pointed out that, hey, Justin, I see you around this clubhouse.

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Speaker 1: You know, we've watched players struggle. We've seen them mope,

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Speaker 1: We've seen them not interact with their teammates. That isn't

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Speaker 1: what Justin Turner is doing, especially someone with his success,

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Speaker 1: all those things. He is not taking this as I

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Speaker 1: to the media whatever it is, or not interacting with

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Speaker 1: whether it's on the field or off. I appreciate that,

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Speaker 2: Some people may read that the other way.

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Speaker 1: I guess, so I assume there are fans that don't

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Speaker 1: show him this is how you behave when you struggle,

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Speaker 1: you don't bring the group down. Ben Brown's had three

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Speaker 1: great outings. We're barely talking about Ben Brown, but he's

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Speaker 1: he's been he's been great since that. We're pretty bad outing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so we're council called him out. Justin Turner needed this moment.

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Speaker 1: Justin Turner needed a little bit of relief from the

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Speaker 1: fan base. I think, uh, Bias Sterios is gonna get

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Speaker 1: plenty of starts. He's a right hand, he's a lefty.

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Speaker 1: The righty's are coming. He didn't start Wednesday, and that's

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Speaker 1: because there was a lefty on the mound. Bias Teris

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Speaker 1: Is is a is very interesting player. But Justin Turner's

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Speaker 1: are better and they need him to turn around.

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Speaker 2: I think one thing that I.

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Speaker 1: Noticed his May was awful last year. Seven way to

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Speaker 1: He's better than that this year, and he has fewer

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Speaker 2: So he's just not getting.

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Speaker 1: Regular playing time. First extra base hit, that walk off double.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's going to be this huge player.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he can get there. We may

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Speaker 1: be talking about him being released in two months. That

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Speaker 1: He may not find his rhythm. I think he's he

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Speaker 1: bats beyed all that stuff, forget about it. He had

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Speaker 1: can find his timing. I think you have patience for

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Speaker 2: It makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's cooked, as you know, as someone suggests, no,

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Speaker 3: It is a disappointment that, like you, he was pitched

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Speaker 3: Say it goes from DHD the outfield plug in Justin

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Speaker 2: He has not earned that.

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Speaker 3: Thus, far, but it's just like unrealistic to think that,

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Speaker 3: like the Cubs organization is just like overflowing with guys

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Speaker 3: of sense to watch Craig Council from AFAR and see

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Speaker 3: just not give him a guy such as Turner who

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Speaker 3: has done it at such a high level for such

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Speaker 3: of let this play out. And I do think that

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Speaker 3: his numbers at the end of the year may look terrible,

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Speaker 3: he may not get another contract, but you my gut

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Speaker 3: moments where you sort of look back at the end

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Speaker 3: you remember a walk off against the Marlins, like maybe

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Speaker 3: there's a big hit coming against the Cardinals. You know,

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Speaker 3: the players such as Ben Brown or even some of

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Speaker 3: the more older experienced players who are sort of maybe

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Speaker 3: not in awe of Turner, but are just you know,

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Speaker 3: blown away by what he's accomplished in this game, Like

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Speaker 3: those are things that they can carry forward in their

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Speaker 3: own career. You know, Guys like Nico Horner and Ian

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Speaker 3: Hap like love the details of the game, They love

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Speaker 3: learning and talking ball, and Turner seems to be just

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Speaker 3: one of those really enormous clubhouse presences that are really

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I think that bids you time at minimum, That's what

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Speaker 2: And I agree with you. I think I think more

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Speaker 2: of those are coming.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he's going to suddenly find his

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Speaker 2: He can be a valuable bench piece for this team

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Speaker 2: situation only, Patrick, let's talk about another current bench piece

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Speaker 1: Patrick, I shouldn't say Moyses's Biasterairis is a bench piece.

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Speaker 2: He's a depth piece. He's called up to, you know,

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Speaker 2: due to the Ian half injury. You touched on it.

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Speaker 1: In an ideal world, it would have been Justin Turner

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Speaker 1: just sliding right in. Maybe they call someone else up

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Speaker 1: and don't make a forty man move. But Moyses's Biasteris

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Speaker 1: was raking at Triple A. He's a left handed pure

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Speaker 1: hitter and he probably deserved and earned that call up.

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Speaker 1: He's he can hit. He has more development to go

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Speaker 1: what he can do. I think is the way the

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Speaker 2: What he did on Tuesday. Wasn't his best game.

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Speaker 1: I My favorite thing about Craig Counsel is he won't

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Speaker 3: I mean, just think where this guy was on Monday.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he like, I agree. I think the the

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Speaker 1: He'll be sitting in on the pitchers meetings, uh Friday,

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Speaker 1: getting a little crazy how much it blows in. Maybe

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Speaker 1: that's what Kate Horton needs, maybe or maybe he just

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Speaker 1: this the way I think strikeouts by pictures are fun.

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Speaker 1: The Cubs haven't had a lot of those guys in

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Speaker 1: recent years. Ben Brown is starting to look like one

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Speaker 1: I think we just talked about making decisions with moists

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Speaker 1: by a sterios. You want Kate Horton to force his

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Speaker 1: You Hope showed him and now it comes back as

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Speaker 1: soon as possible, and that Kate Horton is not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: That's what you want, that's what Cubs fans want, That's

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll see how this goes. I'm not predicting that.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how stable it'll be for him. But

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Speaker 1: he's got he's got a stretch here of teams that

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Speaker 1: he should be able to handle. That he should be

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Speaker 1: you know, if he is ready for the big leagues,

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Speaker 1: he should be able to at least give them quality

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Speaker 3: And in an interesting way, the White Sox offered kind

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Speaker 3: of this ray of hope with how they handled Garrett

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Speaker 3: Crochet last year. There was weird stuff between the trade

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Speaker 3: deadline and contract extensions and you know, the worst season ever.

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Speaker 3: But as you pointed out, and we wrote in the

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Speaker 3: Athletic and has we've talked about here, Garrett Crochet essentially

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Speaker 3: whatever thirty starts. It probably gave him some pauses or

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Speaker 3: some rests or whatever the case was. But you go

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Speaker 3: to the Baseball reference page, it is a robust season

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Speaker 3: and he had an enormous innings jump. But that's, like

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Speaker 3: we say, is not how the Cubs measure it strictly.

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Speaker 3: So if Horton can kind of establish himself, get on

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a role, fills some of the

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ian hap said it Wednesday of this is

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Speaker 3: what Jed Hoyer and Carter Hawkins have built and every

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Speaker 3: team needs those impact guys to come up from the

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Speaker 3: miners and produce at the major league level. And we'll

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Speaker 3: see if Horton can force the issue. It seems like

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Speaker 3: the Cubs are probably gonna be a little more open

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Speaker 3: I think they want him playing every day. They're not

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Speaker 3: catching just yet. So once again, everything is sort of

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Speaker 3: in front of Kate Horton.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if if innings is in the slightest bit

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Speaker 1: of a concern, Creig Council is really good at managing that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's great at that. I mean, most most teams are

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Speaker 1: capable of doing this. They can draw plans, they can

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Speaker 1: find ways to get guys extra days, use the All

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Speaker 1: Star break as a way to push things out, spread

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Speaker 1: things out, you know, and just whether it's five ten

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Speaker 2: Season, maybe that's valuable and maybe that's easy to do.

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Speaker 1: You look for you know, you're up eight to one,

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Speaker 1: just pull them after five, you have a healthy Chris

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Speaker 1: Flexen and a fresh Chris Flexen in there. Just throw

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Speaker 1: them out there for three or four innings if possible. Right,

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Speaker 1: You look for these situations and try and make it work,

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Speaker 1: all right, Patrick, three against the White Sox becomes you know,

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Speaker 1: I know fans want to sweep, and I am sure

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Speaker 1: that's what the ultimate goal is. You take series wins.

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Speaker 1: Right now, try and get through keep winning series, especially

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Speaker 1: in this week stretch. Hope you sneak in some sweeps

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Speaker 1: and keep going from there and once it gets tough again,

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Speaker 1: then you have this big enough lead or you feel

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Speaker 1: comfortable enough that you just battle through the tough moments.

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Speaker 1: We'll see how they do against the White Sox. It

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Speaker 1: should be a fun weekend and at Wrigley. Hope to

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Speaker 1: see some fans. Hope to see some of you fans

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Speaker 1: out there. Thanks so much for listening. This is Northside

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