Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are
Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hi?
Speaker 2: Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? We had so
Speaker 2: much to discuss with Sarah Jessica that we have another
Speaker 2: episode all just thoughts, random thoughts with Sarah Jessica. The
Speaker 2: thing that I want to say to now is that
Speaker 2: I do feel that female friendship is so much more
Speaker 2: valued and talked about and discussed now, And I love
Speaker 2: that so much because I do feel like it's just
Speaker 2: incredibly important and it used to be a time where
Speaker 2: somehow it wasn't discussed or you know, there were all
Speaker 2: these soap operas where the women were fighting each other,
Speaker 2: and that was always something that was very key to
Speaker 2: our DNA was that that was not going to happen
Speaker 2: on our show. We were never going to fight over
Speaker 2: a man. Do you remember? That was one of the
Speaker 2: few notes that came from HBO over a kind of
Speaker 2: very minor story point between you and Miranda that one
Speaker 2: time where she wanted to date that you had dated,
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Were like, yeah, sure, okay, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like it was.
Speaker 2: It was a different we were going to be completely
Speaker 2: different in that way. And then eventually we get to
Speaker 2: that beautiful scene on the stoop where I say, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe wore each other's soulmates, which I remember was just
Speaker 2: a beautiful scene in the middle of the night on
Speaker 2: that certain street that I think I'm still not supposed
Speaker 2: to mention.
Speaker 1: Are I don't know what. Yeah we got yeah we
Speaker 1: got some trouble. But you know, so confused the special
Speaker 1: students on your daily path. Just go to the second left.
Speaker 1: Just trust me, it's the second left. There you go.
Speaker 1: But you know what else I want to ask you?
Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm going to have to mold this
Speaker 2: over what you're telling me now, and I'm going to
Speaker 2: have to really think about it from this person food
Speaker 2: for thought. I know, I think for me right because
Speaker 2: I'm over here, right like you're there and I'm over here, and.
Speaker 1: You had to play cares I'm up here. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're sitting there in our housewife quote apparently, I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 1: famous house it was housewife. It just makes me laugh.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yes, somebody said I'm up here and
Speaker 1: you're down here. Really you're saying, oh, you're over there,
Speaker 1: you know, we're in our own bubbles.
Speaker 2: Someone the other day told me that they think that
Speaker 2: that the Housewife you know, uh franchise, mega franchise that
Speaker 2: our friend Andy.
Speaker 1: Created was inspired by us. And I was like, what,
Speaker 1: I've never seen it, so I didn't know what to say.
Speaker 2: That she meant as a compliment. Yes, you know, Andy's
Speaker 2: just a genius and came up on his own.
Speaker 1: I believe. But anyway, and I forget. Oh, I know
Speaker 1: it was good. Are you kidding? You said the driver
Speaker 1: hare cast. Yes, because so one thing, when I'm looking.
Speaker 2: Back on the show right and rewatching, which is so incredible,
Speaker 2: I was in my own, you know, somewhat of a
Speaker 2: tizzy right like the first beginning, especially because I'm in La.
Speaker 1: I'm coming back. I have my golden Remember, I would
Speaker 1: haul my golden retriever back and forth with me Kelli
Speaker 1: and you know, like just trying to figure out where
Speaker 1: I'm going to live and what I'm gonna do, how
Speaker 1: A'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Wear those shoes that took her a whole season at
Speaker 2: least to get me into the shoes she wanted me
Speaker 2: to wear.
Speaker 1: You know, so funny. I know, I know it's also funny.
Speaker 1: So I'll let you finish. Then I just want to
Speaker 1: say something about your angst that you talked about. Please
Speaker 1: tell me what you want to say now about I'm
Speaker 1: going to say that, you know, I think you're always
Speaker 1: really good about saying when you were nervous or worried
Speaker 1: or even if something upset you. But I was very touched.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I I hope that you
Speaker 1: felt if you shared that with us, that you were
Speaker 1: taken care of. Like I hope that when you felt
Speaker 1: nervous or literally angst and you would lie in bed
Speaker 1: and worry about seeing your body, any of these things
Speaker 1: at the times that in which you felt comfortable to
Speaker 1: share it. And I feel like we we talked a
Speaker 1: decent amount about that that you nobody dismissed it as silliness, no,
Speaker 1: but I was like, wow, it really like state. It
Speaker 1: was like your constant companion for the entire first season
Speaker 1: for sure, for sure. And my part of me is like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. But the other part of me is like, wow,
Speaker 1: look at her. Because everybody has a way of like
Speaker 1: revealing or beings demonstrative about the things that they're worried about,
Speaker 1: and some people are are willing to share it, and
Speaker 1: some people just it blurts out and in different directions,
Speaker 1: and you have to assume that it's because they're worried
Speaker 1: or they're insecure, nervous like it. That's our most human
Speaker 1: parts of ourselves. Absolutely, But I just don't like, you
Speaker 1: didn't really it didn't really mess with you. Curiously, I
Speaker 1: know it didn't really mess with you. And that is
Speaker 1: a real testimony because I feel like we talked about
Speaker 1: being worried, upset, nervous, et cetera, and you, I think
Speaker 1: you started the podcast today Sarah Jessica doesn't cry much,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what, I feel like I am
Speaker 1: so sensitive so overly. Well, it's not creating sense of
Speaker 1: or two different things, right, but I feel like in
Speaker 1: my head I'm a mess, worried, nervous, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: But we have like a job to do in the
Speaker 1: camera rolls is to try to convince somebody at that
Speaker 1: time that you are Charlotte and you feel really strongly
Speaker 1: about this and you need to get from A to
Speaker 1: B and then B two C and and then exit.
Speaker 1: Cy is where you're going to and the camera is
Speaker 1: going to say cut right, thank god. Well, she was
Speaker 1: so good at saying when she was upset, nervous, and
Speaker 1: then something did something like distracted you or gotten a thing.
Speaker 1: Then it was like over and out and done, like
Speaker 1: you expelled it. But I didn't know that you actually
Speaker 1: weren't expelling all of it, like you weren't ridding yourself
Speaker 1: of all of it. You actually were like, hang on
Speaker 1: to have a hood about I did.
Speaker 2: I did, I did, And I think, I mean, really,
Speaker 2: what you're saying, when I think you're saying, is that
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: I don't have a.
Speaker 2: Lot of cover, you know, my my myself if I
Speaker 2: know you and I trust you, which I do obviously
Speaker 2: trust you. Ever since the Krispy Kremes, I was.
Speaker 1: Like, I can talk to her, but I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I think it took a while for me to feel
Speaker 2: because I've been in these other TV situations where you know,
Speaker 2: you did just kind of you were in your own
Speaker 2: bubble and you had your own situation and you wouldn't
Speaker 2: want to burden the others or you know, whatever it
Speaker 2: would be, or necessarily share all of your thoughts. I
Speaker 2: wasn't in a safe situation previous to our show, let's
Speaker 2: put it that way. So I think once we got
Speaker 2: to our show. It did take me some time because
Speaker 2: I thought all of you were sew together and New
Speaker 2: York and tough, you know, and you are in a
Speaker 2: certain way.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Nay, I just don't. You're funny.
Speaker 1: But like you talk about the rain's nothing here. I
Speaker 1: mean for me, I have so many traumatic rain memories. Okay,
Speaker 1: like in my mind, like the sideways rain. I remember
Speaker 1: one time. Do you remember that the sideways rain? Remember
Speaker 1: that Nokia shiny phone I had that. You always like,
Speaker 1: why do you have that phone? Do you remember this?
Speaker 1: Was it like a mirror reflected. It was like from
Speaker 1: the matrix or whatever. I check my teeth in it,
Speaker 1: which it lip and it was like a mirror. Yes,
Speaker 1: And he would laugh at me, laugh at me. I
Speaker 1: was on the shiny phone, which was like my prize possession,
Speaker 1: trying to walk to my Upper West Side apartment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had no they didn't past the men. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure. I'm shaking the flowers. That's how excited I am.
Speaker 1: The rain. The rain came and it came sideways, and
Speaker 1: I was like the phone. I was talking on the phone.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I've got to get
Speaker 1: into a door, stupid phone.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I mean, like I have. And
Speaker 2: then like one time I was shopping. Oh, this was
Speaker 2: a bad memory.
Speaker 1: I was shopping. I was wearing my bright pink puffer.
Speaker 1: Don't ask me why why were that pink puffer? You remember,
Speaker 1: I mean so bright but very cozy. Yes, you're the
Speaker 1: queen of cozy. I love to be. I'm always if
Speaker 1: you're looking to feel good, travel well, pack right among
Speaker 1: the things. Lady, what are my specialties? Is true? So
Speaker 1: I'm marrying my paint puffer.
Speaker 2: I had gone downtown to go shopping. That's when I lived,
Speaker 2: the Upper West Side.
Speaker 1: I had shopped. I had multiple bags, you know, very
Speaker 1: New York City. I was. It was a day off.
Speaker 1: I had no makeup on. I'm sure my hair was
Speaker 1: a mess.
Speaker 2: Suddenly the rain comes and I'm like, no, I think
Speaker 2: I was wearing mug boots and I'm not prepared for
Speaker 2: the rain. It's cold too, right, soa I'm wearing the
Speaker 2: puffer and it got so wet that the bags gave out.
Speaker 1: The things get that fall on the ground. That's really awful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then I have to find the subway. I'm on the subway.
Speaker 1: I get on the subway, I'm holding the things. I'm
Speaker 1: like a wet rat, you know, and these young high
Speaker 1: school kids get on and there are a bunch of
Speaker 1: boys and they're like rah, and I'm like, oh god.
Speaker 1: And they look at me and they're like, that was
Speaker 1: like that girl from the Sex and the City. And
Speaker 1: the other guy's like, that's not her. She's ugly.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, I don't know if this
Speaker 2: is good or bad, but it looked like a white rad,
Speaker 2: a wet rad.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, it's probably a white rang. Whichever, both,
Speaker 1: it's probably a good thing because they're not gonna ask
Speaker 1: for autographic a picture right now. I don't think we
Speaker 1: were a picture time in history anyway.
Speaker 2: Side note, I feel very much a whimp, you know,
Speaker 2: compared to you guys, even Cynthia especially, I mean, Kim
Speaker 2: is definitely more, you know, of the sensitive nature and
Speaker 2: and sometimes you know, she and I would.
Speaker 1: Be like we're cold, yeah, and you would be like,
Speaker 1: you know, used to it, I know, and that's actually
Speaker 1: really good advice. But I always feel, and I felt
Speaker 1: at the time in the beginning, especially because the first
Speaker 1: season was so fast. You shot in three months.
Speaker 2: I believe the whole season, and I was just like,
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 1: To pretend like I'm a month we started. I know
Speaker 1: we are going to get to the bottom of this.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I bet I have my call sheets though, no,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wow, incredible, incredible. Molly also has all the costume.
Speaker 1: Molly's like a receptacle. She has like made so much
Speaker 1: great enough.
Speaker 2: So back to me and the and the and the
Speaker 2: things I was holding clothes. I think for me, I
Speaker 2: felt so upset that they had tried to demote me
Speaker 2: during the pilot. You heard that story, and I didn't
Speaker 2: tell you guys, because I felt like that was like
Speaker 2: a weight and like also I didn't want them to
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, she doesn't fit in, Like that was
Speaker 2: my insecurity in the beginning, right, Yeah, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we shouldn't fit in obviously, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like in my mind, that was that was like a
Speaker 2: possibility for a while. It went away, you know, and
Speaker 2: thank goodness. And also I did have that core belief
Speaker 2: in Charlotte, thank goodness.
Speaker 1: And I feel like you guys did too. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like you were. I had a core belief
Speaker 1: in everything all of it right, Like in the Foursome,
Speaker 1: I did. Absolutely it had to be this way, right,
Speaker 1: you know that we all needed each other. Yes, even
Speaker 1: if you looked at it like to survive. Absolutely, it
Speaker 1: was like, well we were, we were very because weather personal.
Speaker 1: Yet it was like more like, well you have to
Speaker 1: have she needs me, I need her. We are sustaining,
Speaker 1: we are our life sustaining. Absolutely, because these stories need
Speaker 1: to these stories need to bounce off of each other
Speaker 1: absolute order to be to have like relative and like
Speaker 1: touch on things a.
Speaker 2: Bigger because that's that's one of the things I love.
Speaker 2: And one of the reasons for the podcast is the themes, which.
Speaker 1: We literally were supposed to talk about, but there's too much.
Speaker 2: The themes are so great, right, and I just want
Speaker 2: to touch on this for a second at least because
Speaker 2: when I'm watching you first of all, Also, let me
Speaker 2: just say everyone has better storylines and first season than
Speaker 2: I remember, including myself. Right, So with Carrie, I just
Speaker 2: want to talk about Carrie for a second, and Big
Speaker 2: in particular and the other men that are around Carrie
Speaker 2: because Okay, oh my god, Oh I've been dying to
Speaker 2: ask you this. Okay, two things, Oh my god, thank god,
Speaker 2: I remembered number one. Do you remember this insane sex
Speaker 2: tape episode?
Speaker 1: What? Okay, yes, it's possibly.
Speaker 2: It's with Modalizers with Carrit with real mocked playing the modelizer.
Speaker 1: So I remember him. I don't remember anything else. Wasn't
Speaker 1: he kind of a big deal? Did he become a
Speaker 1: big deal? Was he's on Suits? The original Suits? And
Speaker 1: then he quit acting and moved to Europe with his family.
Speaker 1: It's not awesome. I know they pulled him back in
Speaker 1: by doing suits la. Oh really, only a little bit
Speaker 1: he can out there? I don't think does anyone know?
Speaker 1: Is he anyway? I's talking about toxic ma masculinity in
Speaker 1: the world. I love him. Oh, I'm passionately begging him
Speaker 1: to be on the podcast. What Why would he say? No?
Speaker 1: I think he's busy.
Speaker 2: But you know what, we need him because we need
Speaker 2: some clarity on this one episode. Okay, I didn't really
Speaker 2: remember it, which I think is also interesting.
Speaker 1: So you don't think it's material from her book.
Speaker 2: I do think it's material from her book, and I
Speaker 2: just haven't had time to look. Maybe she just didn't
Speaker 2: want to mention, but you know how she was actually
Speaker 2: telling stories that she heard. She did say I do
Speaker 2: think that was a real story that was circulating, got it?
Speaker 1: Old person?
Speaker 2: So basically, Gabriel mocked incredibly handsome, he was an artist.
Speaker 2: You're with him at his art studio and he's like
Speaker 2: moving paint around a.
Speaker 1: Camera a big open soho space very much so yeah,
Speaker 1: vague recollection, yes, And.
Speaker 2: Then he says, but I need to show you my
Speaker 2: real work of art, at which point he pulls you
Speaker 2: into a different room and you're like, cool, Carrie, You've
Speaker 2: got your cigarette, you know, you're cool. And you go
Speaker 2: too this other room and there's all these old fashioned
Speaker 2: TVs set up in this weird tower and then he
Speaker 2: presses play or turns them all on by hand maybe,
Speaker 2: and it's him having sex with different models, unbeknownst to
Speaker 2: the models.
Speaker 1: And you sit there, one at a time, one at
Speaker 1: a time. Yes, yes, he's having sex. This is his
Speaker 1: calling card. This is that I'm going to sleep with
Speaker 1: you and film it and not tell you. Yes.
Speaker 2: Wow, But he tells you, Carrie, because you're cool, right,
Speaker 2: and he can confide to you. You're like one of
Speaker 2: the guys somehow times in the beginning, I know, and
Speaker 2: you very gamely sit there.
Speaker 1: Okay, do you remember this no one remembers this. It's fascinating. Okay,
Speaker 1: I bet I didn't have to watch it. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you didn't have to watch Is there a shot that
Speaker 1: I am included in this imagery? I would have to
Speaker 1: go back and look.
Speaker 2: I think there's a shot where you're included in the
Speaker 2: back of the TVs.
Speaker 1: But we can't see what's on the TV. So I
Speaker 1: bet I didn't have to see it. And then at
Speaker 1: the end you're like, oh oh, and then your voiceover
Speaker 1: says something like I recognize them all from the pages
Speaker 1: of Vogue. Every major fragrance ad was represented on screen.
Speaker 1: It's horrifying, right, But then you're so calm and collected,
Speaker 1: and then you're like, I need a cigarette. Can you
Speaker 1: believe it? No, it's so.
Speaker 2: Old school, you know what I'm saying in a bad way, right,
Speaker 2: And I'm dying to talk to Gabriel Monckton what he
Speaker 2: thought and felt film.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to talk about it. Maybe that might
Speaker 1: be why it's not his bright. It might be why
Speaker 1: he's busy. So you didn't know, you didn't know you
Speaker 1: were actually watching. To me, that's for sure. We had nothing,
Speaker 1: We had no clothing, We were being getting.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, when I talked to Molly, she this
Speaker 2: is when Molly knew every corner of Century City, sorry,
Speaker 2: century twenty one, and you won't ask her where the belts.
Speaker 1: She lived down there.
Speaker 2: And I remember going with them to Century twenty one,
Speaker 2: like we would have shopping.
Speaker 1: Down would be like, there's four dresses down here, exactly,
Speaker 1: come on your lunch free, exactly exactly, it's a trip.
Speaker 2: And people on the on the Great Vitadini down here,
Speaker 2: there were people on the they were like, what is
Speaker 2: century twenty one?
Speaker 1: What are they talking about? I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: So anyway, there are some things, some some really like
Speaker 2: question problematic, problematic. But for us at the time, I
Speaker 2: I remember thinking like, wow, this is racy for TV. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I don't remember thinking this isn't true or anything
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: We were just used to it. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the difference between racy and problematic it might
Speaker 1: not have been even in our lexicon, like we wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily have believed it was if the culture in which
Speaker 1: we were living kind of existed in a way and
Speaker 1: we were just carrying on exactly, get on with your day,
Speaker 1: get on with your life. Somewhere else, and so today,
Speaker 1: of course we'd be it wouldn't it wouldn't be suggested
Speaker 1: as a plot line. But if for some crazy reason
Speaker 1: it were like say a writer had dropped from a
Speaker 1: time machine and offered that up, all of us would say,
Speaker 1: you understand that, Carrie can't you can do this? Right?
Speaker 1: The response Kerry needs to then go call the police. Correct,
Speaker 1: Like there has to be an entirely different right response. Right,
Speaker 1: she can't be a gavalier and internally objecting, right, which
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 2: Later tell Samantha not to go, but then Samantha goes
Speaker 2: because she wants to be filmed, and then he tells
Speaker 2: her he's not going to film her because she's not
Speaker 2: a model, and she says, do it anyway. And it's
Speaker 2: all very interesting. But the bigger, the bigger issue for
Speaker 2: me watching the first season is not these you know,
Speaker 2: occasionally questionable and liked about the twenty seven guys. You're
Speaker 2: definitely in like some very questionable locations and.
Speaker 1: You're just like what and you're like I just needed
Speaker 1: to be kissed, Like it's all so very I just
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: It's very exciting and also like odd, you know, to
Speaker 2: remember back then But the thing that the through line
Speaker 2: that is hard to watch for me and shocking really
Speaker 2: surprise me is the complete.
Speaker 1: Wall that Big has.
Speaker 2: Up just as a human, you know, not necessarily towards you,
Speaker 2: just in general, Like you take him to a party
Speaker 2: where he takes you to a party, and that guy
Speaker 2: who recurred, I can't remember his name right now, he
Speaker 2: is his party.
Speaker 1: He had a cigar, he always had a cigar. Who's
Speaker 1: blonde guy? I can't remember that, the one that who's
Speaker 1: crossword puzzle?
Speaker 2: I no, I think it's a different one than him,
Speaker 2: But in my mind they were also the same, but
Speaker 2: they were different blonde guys. We're friends of bigs and
Speaker 2: you go to this party and this one girl comes
Speaker 2: up and like kisses him right.
Speaker 1: In front of you and is like you you still
Speaker 1: have my passport?
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, international travel, Like you're just so you
Speaker 2: handle it, man, But inside you can see flitting across
Speaker 2: your face at all times, so many thoughts and feelings
Speaker 2: and thoughts and feelings. And then there's different times when
Speaker 2: you try to get Big to talk to you in
Speaker 2: all these different ways, and it's like infuriating to watch.
Speaker 2: I just want to shake Big, but I never thought
Speaker 2: about it at the time, because.
Speaker 1: First of all, we just read a script.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that you were much more able
Speaker 2: to be objective and think about the overall arc and
Speaker 2: you know, things from a storytelling perspective back then. Even
Speaker 2: that I was, but I was just like, it is
Speaker 2: what it is. I'm team big, I believe you love
Speaker 2: No no, no, I didn't really there was no critical thought
Speaker 2: or whatever. And also, and I talked to Candas a
Speaker 2: little bit about it. It was interesting to hear her
Speaker 2: point of view. That's what our lives were like then.
Speaker 2: We were used to that as women being alive in
Speaker 2: that time. Yeah, like there weren't some guys who were
Speaker 2: expressive and some guys who weren't, or some guys who
Speaker 2: are emostly intelligent, some guys who weren't. They were just
Speaker 2: guys and they were shut off. And so your thing
Speaker 2: was like like one time, you'd have those couple drinks
Speaker 2: and you'd go over and then you try to get
Speaker 2: them to talk.
Speaker 1: To you, and you'd be like, Carrie, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: You'd be like, I'm just too much. You know, You're
Speaker 1: so not too much. You're amazing, you are You're so amazing.
Speaker 1: You're too good for Big, you are Look, she's surprised.
Speaker 1: I mean I've had so many guests also who are like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's too good for Big. And then I'm like, well, see,
Speaker 1: I tell us, I guess that made her happy. Like
Speaker 1: I don't know that, I don't know that Carrie's I
Speaker 1: know people have a lot of strong feelings about Carry.
Speaker 1: I've come to understand that people have feelings about Carrie
Speaker 1: and that's perfectly all right, and there's nothing you can
Speaker 1: do about it. And it just means they love the show.
Speaker 1: It just means something has connected gotten a little bit
Speaker 1: with them. Yeah, And my feeling is that I believe
Speaker 1: Carrie is very smart. I believe Carrie is bright, and
Speaker 1: I believe that she is that she sees this man
Speaker 1: they meet. He asks her this question in the pilot,
Speaker 1: and it's like a harpoon. It's like this thing got
Speaker 1: into her that is interesting. And I don't know that
Speaker 1: Big is as bright as Carrie. I actually, I really
Speaker 1: don't think he's as facile and as complicated a human
Speaker 1: being as she is. It's like, if you look at
Speaker 1: architecture that is beautiful, and there is a kind of
Speaker 1: simplicity to it. You are admiring of its stability, You
Speaker 1: are admiring of its place, that it can stand in
Speaker 1: its simplicity and people can look to it and it
Speaker 1: can provide a kind of reliable shelter, and it can
Speaker 1: be a mark in a time and history. And I
Speaker 1: feel like Carrie looked at Big and she you know,
Speaker 1: inexplicable feelings. It is the human being that can't explain
Speaker 1: to her friends why somebody that could be beneath her
Speaker 1: might be beneath her is dictating the hunt, yes, and
Speaker 1: well put, I I don't think that that is. I
Speaker 1: can't place any judgment on it. I can't say he's
Speaker 1: a bad guy or vacuus or like shallow or not.
Speaker 1: He is what he is. And it wasn't as if
Speaker 1: like there was an erosion, like water washed away like
Speaker 1: a whole shoreline, and finally he couldn't take it anymore,
Speaker 1: and like he's like all right, you know, like sure,
Speaker 1: I think he came to see what her absence in
Speaker 1: his life meant, and even if she wasn't the type.
Speaker 1: Because I try to remember this, and this is a
Speaker 1: very long explanation for or as Bridget ever always likes
Speaker 1: to say, uh, short, story long. Sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: remember the age of the person, what year they were born,
Speaker 1: who raised them, and what year they were born. So
Speaker 1: look at Big. Yeah, so in early two thousands, Big
Speaker 1: was how old? I don't know, forty two okay, So
Speaker 1: in that means that he was born in nineteen sixty, right,
Speaker 1: or nineteen fifty eight? Sure, right, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: with a fifty eight Okay, So he was born in
Speaker 1: fifty eight. That means his dad was born in like
Speaker 1: forty no, thirty thirty thirty eight? Yeah, right, totally different time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who raised him? Persian era people? Correct? He chose everything
Speaker 1: the conventional way. He went to college, he got a
Speaker 1: good job, he worked in finance. He bought this kind
Speaker 1: of apartment. He dresses like this, He goes for a
Speaker 1: cigar like he is going to have to undo his
Speaker 1: entire cultural DNA to appreciate what Carrie is offering. And
Speaker 1: that's a really big deal. So why did she want
Speaker 1: that so badly? Because that's what she liked. God, that's
Speaker 1: what she loved. He is who she loved. She liked
Speaker 1: the way he smelled, she liked the way he looked,
Speaker 1: She liked the way he owned the street. She liked
Speaker 1: the way he drove around the city. She liked the
Speaker 1: way he talked to her when they were good. She
Speaker 1: liked the way that she knew she was mysterious to him,
Speaker 1: that she was kind of like this, and I'm going
Speaker 1: to use the word exotic in the sense of it
Speaker 1: was unknown to him. It was like a she was
Speaker 1: a source of total curiosity, but not what everybody else
Speaker 1: around him was doing. And he did that two times.
Speaker 1: He did the other thing two times. Two times he
Speaker 1: did the thing that his dad told him or would
Speaker 1: have told him to do. YEA, she is from a
Speaker 1: good family. Her hair does this, she can look good
Speaker 1: in a ship. She's this, she's this. She won't embarrass us,
Speaker 1: she won't be colorful at the wrong time. She won't
Speaker 1: reach for the same cocktail that the men are reaching for,
Speaker 1: whatever it is culturally that is. And so I think
Speaker 1: Carrie pushed against that the whole time, like she was
Speaker 1: always trying to allow him the freedom to make the
Speaker 1: choice that he basically said he wanted to make from
Speaker 1: the minute they met. You feel that, I feel he
Speaker 1: the minute that they had that exchange, the minute that
Speaker 1: she said in his car the minute he said have
Speaker 1: you ever been in love? And she said nine things
Speaker 1: with one word or four words, and then he said,
Speaker 1: abbs of fucking lutely. That's that's that's it. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like I think it's being like. It doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: she didn't hate him, that he didn't disappoint her, that
Speaker 1: she didn't think he was a monster, that he was
Speaker 1: far less a man, that she endowed him with far
Speaker 1: too many good qualities, you know, when he disappointed her.
Speaker 1: But they did end up together, They did end up
Speaker 1: being married because he wanted to be with her, right,
Speaker 1: It just took a while. Yeah, because he's he was baked,
Speaker 1: you know, he was cooked. He was done, and he
Speaker 1: had to be yes, you know, yes, And she stuck
Speaker 1: around enough. It's not like she didn't go elsewhere. It's
Speaker 1: not like she didn't try. It's not like she made
Speaker 1: herself unavailable. Right, So I like this, This is helpful.
Speaker 1: You can't be that devastated by the loss of a
Speaker 1: person if they were are a mere version of who
Speaker 1: you always wish they'd be. Like when he passed spoil alert,
Speaker 1: I think everyone else, I think everyone knows my go ahead.
Speaker 1: When he passed away, it was pretty tough on her, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course that's because they're not saying I'm just saying
Speaker 1: that because that was a really hard fought for love,
Speaker 1: no joke, you know. I just have to say one
Speaker 1: more thing. Yes, I want to say this. Don't make
Speaker 1: me know it, Christmas. I won't. I'm just going to
Speaker 1: try to close my eyes. I want to say it
Speaker 1: is the biggest honor of my life to work with you.
Speaker 1: I love you so much. I could never ever ever
Speaker 1: have dreamt that we would do everything that we've done.
Speaker 1: And you are the best friend and a joy you are.
Speaker 1: Thank You's we have a what did you write in
Speaker 1: a card? It was so great you said it in
Speaker 1: a card You're bones. Yeah, bones. I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I know. It's so hard to explain what it all
Speaker 1: has meant, and it's very special. It's the most special
Speaker 1: professional thing that's ever happened to us. And it's funny
Speaker 1: because I don't know that we would ever have found
Speaker 1: each other in a million years, Like if you had
Speaker 1: not done this, and I had been in New York
Speaker 1: and you've been Los Angeles working there, and I was
Speaker 1: working in New York, like I was thinking about the
Speaker 1: other day when I was like when I was listening
Speaker 1: to the podcast, and I was like, oh, we would
Speaker 1: never have found each other, so true, you know, like
Speaker 1: our lives just would not have intersected. And it's just
Speaker 1: it's amazing to have colleagues that you feel such intensity
Speaker 1: for and about, you know, like yes, such like very
Speaker 1: lively feelings, very lively feelings, and it's just amazing. And
Speaker 1: I agree your family, your parents, your kids, like a
Speaker 1: whole you know, like someone upsets you, someone said something wrong,
Speaker 1: you know, like you've been upset with me, like I've
Speaker 1: been upset. Like I'm like over like absolutely about that though, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know absolutely, it's a really big deal, and it's
Speaker 1: such it's such a it's a it's the privilege of
Speaker 1: a lifetime. It is a privilege of a lifetime. So
Speaker 1: proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm going
Speaker 1: to show you this one thing before we go, because
Speaker 1: it's very cool.
Speaker 2: Look at what I got at the airport. Do you
Speaker 2: know what these titles have in common, Lord of.
Speaker 1: The Flies, that these are all banded books?
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at this, you guys, don't you think this
Speaker 2: is fantastic that they're selling this at the airport.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you that. Now, you keep this,
Speaker 1: give it to give it to she would love it.
Speaker 1: This was available at the airport. Yeah, isn't that great?
Speaker 1: At the at the Hudson Books. Wow right, yeah, that's incredible. Great.
Speaker 1: Next time you're here, we're talk about band of the
Speaker 1: Naval Library, the books that have just been banned the
Speaker 1: Naval Library. We're going to pass your talk about printur
Speaker 1: we can talk about books on our set. Yes, yeah, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's always so much. You've talked about that a little bit.
Speaker 2: I have, and I'd love to talk about it because
Speaker 2: you are just a multi high in in so many
Speaker 2: beautiful ways.
Speaker 1: Not really not like you, baby, I mean, sir Jessica.
Speaker 1: A joy, a joy to have you. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to cry again, okay.
Speaker 2: But really, literally, we could talk to you for a year.
Speaker 2: I could have for a year an entire podcast just
Speaker 2: you and me.
Speaker 1: What happens at work too. I know this life happens,
Speaker 1: it works actually actually, but it is a joy.
Speaker 2: And there's still memories that that I know are hidden
Speaker 2: in there and I'm going to get them out.
Speaker 1: I'm going to get them out. Because you have memories,
Speaker 1: then I have memories, we can combine them. And thank
Speaker 1: you so much. It's been a total pleasure. I was
Speaker 1: so looking forward to this. I know we've found the
Speaker 1: next year. Until next time,