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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are

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Speaker 1: you a Charlotte? Hi?

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Speaker 2: Everybody, welcome to Are You a Charlotte? We had so

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Speaker 2: much to discuss with Sarah Jessica that we have another

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Speaker 2: episode all just thoughts, random thoughts with Sarah Jessica. The

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Speaker 2: thing that I want to say to now is that

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Speaker 2: I do feel that female friendship is so much more

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Speaker 2: valued and talked about and discussed now, And I love

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Speaker 2: that so much because I do feel like it's just

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Speaker 2: incredibly important and it used to be a time where

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Speaker 2: somehow it wasn't discussed or you know, there were all

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Speaker 2: these soap operas where the women were fighting each other,

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Speaker 2: and that was always something that was very key to

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Speaker 2: our DNA was that that was not going to happen

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Speaker 2: on our show. We were never going to fight over

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Speaker 2: a man. Do you remember? That was one of the

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Speaker 2: few notes that came from HBO over a kind of

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Speaker 2: very minor story point between you and Miranda that one

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Speaker 2: time where she wanted to date that you had dated,

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Speaker 2: and you.

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Speaker 1: Were like, yeah, sure, okay, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like it was.

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Speaker 2: It was a different we were going to be completely

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Speaker 2: different in that way. And then eventually we get to

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Speaker 2: that beautiful scene on the stoop where I say, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe wore each other's soulmates, which I remember was just

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Speaker 2: a beautiful scene in the middle of the night on

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Speaker 2: that certain street that I think I'm still not supposed

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Speaker 1: Are I don't know what. Yeah we got yeah we

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Speaker 1: got some trouble. But you know, so confused the special

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Speaker 1: students on your daily path. Just go to the second left.

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Speaker 1: Just trust me, it's the second left. There you go.

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Speaker 1: But you know what else I want to ask you?

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Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm going to have to mold this

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Speaker 2: over what you're telling me now, and I'm going to

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Speaker 2: have to really think about it from this person food

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Speaker 2: for thought. I know, I think for me right because

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Speaker 2: I'm over here, right like you're there and I'm over here, and.

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Speaker 1: You had to play cares I'm up here. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: we're sitting there in our housewife quote apparently, I don't know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: famous house it was housewife. It just makes me laugh.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yes, somebody said I'm up here and

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Speaker 1: you're down here. Really you're saying, oh, you're over there,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're in our own bubbles.

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Speaker 2: Someone the other day told me that they think that

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Speaker 2: that the Housewife you know, uh franchise, mega franchise that

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Speaker 2: our friend Andy.

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Speaker 1: Created was inspired by us. And I was like, what,

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Speaker 1: I've never seen it, so I didn't know what to say.

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Speaker 2: That she meant as a compliment. Yes, you know, Andy's

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Speaker 2: just a genius and came up on his own.

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Speaker 1: I believe. But anyway, and I forget. Oh, I know

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Speaker 1: it was good. Are you kidding? You said the driver

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Speaker 1: hare cast. Yes, because so one thing, when I'm looking.

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Speaker 2: Back on the show right and rewatching, which is so incredible,

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Speaker 2: I was in my own, you know, somewhat of a

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Speaker 1: I'm coming back. I have my golden Remember, I would

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Speaker 2: Wear those shoes that took her a whole season at

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Speaker 2: least to get me into the shoes she wanted me

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Speaker 1: You know, so funny. I know, I know it's also funny.

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Speaker 1: So I'll let you finish. Then I just want to

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Speaker 1: say something about your angst that you talked about. Please

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Speaker 1: tell me what you want to say now about I'm

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Speaker 1: going to say that, you know, I think you're always

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Speaker 1: really good about saying when you were nervous or worried

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I I hope that you

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Speaker 1: But we have like a job to do in the

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Speaker 1: going to say cut right, thank god. Well, she was

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Speaker 2: I did, I did, And I think, I mean, really,

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Speaker 2: Lot of cover, you know, my my myself if I

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Speaker 1: Like, I can talk to her, but I didn't. I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I think it took a while for me to feel

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Nay, I just don't. You're funny.

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Speaker 1: But like you talk about the rain's nothing here. I

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Speaker 1: mean for me, I have so many traumatic rain memories. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that Nokia shiny phone I had that. You always like,

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know what I mean, like I have. And

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Speaker 2: then like one time I was shopping. Oh, this was

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Speaker 1: I was shopping. I was wearing my bright pink puffer.

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Speaker 2: Side note, I feel very much a whimp, you know,

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Speaker 2: I believe the whole season, and I was just like,

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Speaker 1: To pretend like I'm a month we started. I know

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I bet I have my call sheets though, no,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wow, incredible, incredible. Molly also has all the costume.

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Speaker 1: Molly's like a receptacle. She has like made so much

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Speaker 2: So back to me and the and the and the

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Speaker 2: felt so upset that they had tried to demote me

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Speaker 1: can provide a kind of reliable shelter, and it can

434
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Speaker 1: be a mark in a time and history. And I

435
00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: feel like Carrie looked at Big and she you know,

436
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,440
Speaker 1: inexplicable feelings. It is the human being that can't explain

437
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Speaker 1: to her friends why somebody that could be beneath her

438
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: might be beneath her is dictating the hunt, yes, and

439
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: well put, I I don't think that that is. I

440
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: can't place any judgment on it. I can't say he's

441
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Speaker 1: a bad guy or vacuus or like shallow or not.

442
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 1: He is what he is. And it wasn't as if

443
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: like there was an erosion, like water washed away like

444
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: a whole shoreline, and finally he couldn't take it anymore,

445
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: and like he's like all right, you know, like sure,

446
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: I think he came to see what her absence in

447
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: his life meant, and even if she wasn't the type.

448
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 1: Because I try to remember this, and this is a

449
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Speaker 1: very long explanation for or as Bridget ever always likes

450
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: to say, uh, short, story long. Sometimes you have to

451
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Speaker 1: remember the age of the person, what year they were born,

452
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,600
Speaker 1: who raised them, and what year they were born. So

453
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: look at Big. Yeah, so in early two thousands, Big

454
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 1: was how old? I don't know, forty two okay, So

455
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Speaker 1: in that means that he was born in nineteen sixty, right,

456
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Speaker 1: or nineteen fifty eight? Sure, right, I'm going to go

457
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Speaker 1: with a fifty eight Okay, So he was born in

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Speaker 1: fifty eight. That means his dad was born in like

459
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Speaker 1: forty no, thirty thirty thirty eight? Yeah, right, totally different time. Yeah,

460
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:47,400
Speaker 1: who raised him? Persian era people? Correct? He chose everything

461
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: the conventional way. He went to college, he got a

462
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Speaker 1: good job, he worked in finance. He bought this kind

463
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Speaker 1: of apartment. He dresses like this, He goes for a

464
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: cigar like he is going to have to undo his

465
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: entire cultural DNA to appreciate what Carrie is offering. And

466
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: that's a really big deal. So why did she want

467
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: that so badly? Because that's what she liked. God, that's

468
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: what she loved. He is who she loved. She liked

469
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 1: the way he smelled, she liked the way he looked,

470
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: She liked the way he owned the street. She liked

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Speaker 1: the way he drove around the city. She liked the

472
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Speaker 1: way he talked to her when they were good. She

473
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Speaker 1: liked the way that she knew she was mysterious to him,

474
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Speaker 1: that she was kind of like this, and I'm going

475
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 1: to use the word exotic in the sense of it

476
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: was unknown to him. It was like a she was

477
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 1: a source of total curiosity, but not what everybody else

478
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: around him was doing. And he did that two times.

479
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 1: He did the other thing two times. Two times he

480
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: did the thing that his dad told him or would

481
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,439
Speaker 1: have told him to do. YEA, she is from a

482
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: good family. Her hair does this, she can look good

483
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:10,360
Speaker 1: in a ship. She's this, she's this. She won't embarrass us,

484
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,120
Speaker 1: she won't be colorful at the wrong time. She won't

485
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 1: reach for the same cocktail that the men are reaching for,

486
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: whatever it is culturally that is. And so I think

487
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: Carrie pushed against that the whole time, like she was

488
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: always trying to allow him the freedom to make the

489
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,400
Speaker 1: choice that he basically said he wanted to make from

490
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Speaker 1: the minute they met. You feel that, I feel he

491
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: the minute that they had that exchange, the minute that

492
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 1: she said in his car the minute he said have

493
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: you ever been in love? And she said nine things

494
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: with one word or four words, and then he said,

495
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: abbs of fucking lutely. That's that's that's it. Yeah, it's

496
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: like I think it's being like. It doesn't mean that

497
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: she didn't hate him, that he didn't disappoint her, that

498
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: she didn't think he was a monster, that he was

499
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: far less a man, that she endowed him with far

500
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: too many good qualities, you know, when he disappointed her.

501
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: But they did end up together, They did end up

502
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: being married because he wanted to be with her, right,

503
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: It just took a while. Yeah, because he's he was baked,

504
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: you know, he was cooked. He was done, and he

505
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: had to be yes, you know, yes, And she stuck

506
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: around enough. It's not like she didn't go elsewhere. It's

507
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: not like she didn't try. It's not like she made

508
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: herself unavailable. Right, So I like this, This is helpful.

509
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 1: You can't be that devastated by the loss of a

510
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: person if they were are a mere version of who

511
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: you always wish they'd be. Like when he passed spoil alert,

512
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,719
Speaker 1: I think everyone else, I think everyone knows my go ahead.

513
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: When he passed away, it was pretty tough on her, like, yeah,

514
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: of course that's because they're not saying I'm just saying

515
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: that because that was a really hard fought for love,

516
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 1: no joke, you know. I just have to say one

517
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: more thing. Yes, I want to say this. Don't make

518
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: me know it, Christmas. I won't. I'm just going to

519
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: try to close my eyes. I want to say it

520
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: is the biggest honor of my life to work with you.

521
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: I love you so much. I could never ever ever

522
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: have dreamt that we would do everything that we've done.

523
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: And you are the best friend and a joy you are.

524
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: Thank You's we have a what did you write in

525
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: a card? It was so great you said it in

526
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: a card You're bones. Yeah, bones. I was like, wow,

527
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: I know. It's so hard to explain what it all

528
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: has meant, and it's very special. It's the most special

529
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 1: professional thing that's ever happened to us. And it's funny

530
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: because I don't know that we would ever have found

531
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: each other in a million years, Like if you had

532
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: not done this, and I had been in New York

533
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: and you've been Los Angeles working there, and I was

534
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: working in New York, like I was thinking about the

535
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: other day when I was like when I was listening

536
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: to the podcast, and I was like, oh, we would

537
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: never have found each other, so true, you know, like

538
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: our lives just would not have intersected. And it's just

539
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: it's amazing to have colleagues that you feel such intensity

540
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: for and about, you know, like yes, such like very

541
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: lively feelings, very lively feelings, and it's just amazing. And

542
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: I agree your family, your parents, your kids, like a

543
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: whole you know, like someone upsets you, someone said something wrong,

544
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: you know, like you've been upset with me, like I've

545
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: been upset. Like I'm like over like absolutely about that though, absolutely,

546
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: you know absolutely, it's a really big deal, and it's

547
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: such it's such a it's a it's the privilege of

548
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: a lifetime. It is a privilege of a lifetime. So

549
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: proud of you. I'm so proud of you. I'm going

550
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: to show you this one thing before we go, because

551
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: it's very cool.

552
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: Look at what I got at the airport. Do you

553
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: know what these titles have in common, Lord of.

554
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: The Flies, that these are all banded books?

555
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, look at this, you guys, don't you think this

556
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: is fantastic that they're selling this at the airport.

557
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you that. Now, you keep this,

558
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: give it to give it to she would love it.

559
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: This was available at the airport. Yeah, isn't that great?

560
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: At the at the Hudson Books. Wow right, yeah, that's incredible. Great.

561
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: Next time you're here, we're talk about band of the

562
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: Naval Library, the books that have just been banned the

563
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: Naval Library. We're going to pass your talk about printur

564
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: we can talk about books on our set. Yes, yeah, yes, yeah,

565
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: that's always so much. You've talked about that a little bit.

566
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: I have, and I'd love to talk about it because

567
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: you are just a multi high in in so many

568
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: beautiful ways.

569
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Not really not like you, baby, I mean, sir Jessica.

570
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: A joy, a joy to have you. I'm not going

571
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: to cry again, okay.

572
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: But really, literally, we could talk to you for a year.

573
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 2: I could have for a year an entire podcast just

574
00:31:59,480 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: you and me.

575
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: What happens at work too. I know this life happens,

576
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: it works actually actually, but it is a joy.

577
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: And there's still memories that that I know are hidden

578
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 2: in there and I'm going to get them out.

579
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to get them out. Because you have memories,

580
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: then I have memories, we can combine them. And thank

581
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: you so much. It's been a total pleasure. I was

582
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: so looking forward to this. I know we've found the

583
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: next year. Until next time,