1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: Well, well, well, they said they couldn't be done. I 2 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: said they couldn't be done. It's hard, it couldn't be done. 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: It's fine. It's fine because guess what, it's episode one 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: oh two and the Celtics just keep on winning. The 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: Thunder are the second hottest team in the league. And 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: don't even ask about our Lakers right now. Just don't 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: about that. Not my Lakers couldn't be me. I don't 8 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: know what more and Princes is doing, but anyway, we'll 9 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: take a trip around the league and discuss the state 10 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: of the New York k Mickrobockers with Bleacher Reports damn 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: BA Valley on today's episode. I'm Miles Gray and I'm 12 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: Jack O'Brien and this is my mile check comn. 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: Sorry guy, looks, okay, there you. 14 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: Go, driving Spinny the five is gonna try another three, mister. 15 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: Look God damp a Valley riter for Bleat Tripport, host 16 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: of Hardwood Knocks podcast, Welcome back for your fourth or 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: fifth appearance. 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 3: I feel like on the show one of our one 19 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 3: of our favorite guests. Man, yeah, get the jacket, get 20 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: the jacket out. Yah, yeah, yeah, we got to get 21 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: up a jacket for sure. 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: We got to get a jacket. How you doing. 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 4: I'm excited that you guys keep making terrible decisions and 24 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 4: bringing me back on. So it's always a pleasure to 25 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 4: be invited back. And I'm currently admiring in the background. 26 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 4: I never why have I never seen the Woo York 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 4: Next jersey behind you before? 28 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a little little mashup of my favorite 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: things obviously as a as a big Wu Tang fan 30 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: and the Knicks general colorway. I had to I had 31 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: to cop that. I got that at a during NBA 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: Con actually when we were there in the summer, because 33 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 1: they had they had those like wrap mashup jerseys, and 34 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: I was like, yep, yep, that's all me, that's all me. 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: That's an increase in the back on the back, thirty 36 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: six shoul In. It's a it's like, it's got the 37 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 3: whole thing. 38 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: It's got the whole thing, from about thirty six Chambers 39 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: to Mitchell and nets joint, you know. So that's it's 40 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: a fish. It's a fish. You know, wouldn't be rocking 41 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: some some fake gear over here. But yeah, and I 42 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 1: had to put it. 43 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 3: I put it front and center because obviously it's time 44 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:15,360 Speaker 3: to talk to. 45 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 2: Knicks Nick thirty six wins by the time people are 46 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 2: listening to this, Yeah, well the ten plan is thirty 47 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: six Chambers my Knicks current three on the year over 48 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: the last ten. 49 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, what what? Damn? 50 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 2: What? 51 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: Why is Jalen Brunson not in like the real MVP 52 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: conversation in any like meaningful way? You know? 53 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: I really think it's because that Jokic and Shay and 54 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 4: Luca have just been otherworldly on a different level. 55 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 1: Hard to get in there. 56 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 3: Huh. 57 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just I mean, he might. 58 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 4: I think he has a chance to finish fifth on 59 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 4: some ballots, right and depending on where the Nicks finished 60 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 4: with their seating, especially like now you have the anecdotal 61 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 4: bump which everyone does care about of oh Julius Randall 62 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,639 Speaker 4: miss all this time, they didn't have Mitchell Robinson and 63 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 4: OG's out. 64 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 5: But as you kind of you guys. 65 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 4: Mentioned the top of this four and six in their 66 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 4: last ten, they are very banged up, including Jon Brunton 67 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 4: isn't playing against the Pelicans on Tuesday night. 68 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 3: So yeah, what was that? 69 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 1: Is like a clavigal sensitivity modulation. 70 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 3: I had not seen that kind of assessment before. 71 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I have no idea I didn't even know that 72 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 4: he was necessarily dealing with it or when it happened. 73 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, and they're just now they're missing 74 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 4: four starters like a're just dealing with injuries that because 75 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 4: people forget that Mitchell Robinson exists. 76 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 5: And there's a chance that I don't. 77 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 4: Know if you guys saw, but Tim's was talking about 78 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 4: like Julius Randall might actually still need surgery and like 79 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 4: his season, they're trying to bring him back, but the 80 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: season could be over and even if he does come 81 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,559 Speaker 4: back because of the shoulder injury. 82 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 5: And like how like shoulders are just fickle, what. 83 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: Does he look like like when he's trying to play 84 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 4: through a shoulder injury that may eventually need to be 85 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 4: surgically repaired over the offseason. That's gonna be The Knicks 86 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 4: looks so good on paper now because the moves they've made. 87 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 4: I'm just curious whether we're ever gonna see the full 88 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 4: product before this out. 89 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, because yeah, he, like Julius Randall has said, like 90 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: I want to play through the pain. I don't want 91 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: to get surgery. I feel what's our feeling on that 92 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: kind of mindset when it comes to those kinds of injuries, 93 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: Like what's what's the over under on, like successfully playing 94 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: through the injury without exacerbating it to the point where 95 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: you're like, man, I should have just got the surgery. 96 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: I should have just waited. 97 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: P I can tell you is what I'd do. I'd 98 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 2: play through it because I'm tough. There you go, Okay, yeah, 99 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: because I mean you see how much these guys are paid. 100 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 4: Come on, Here's here's the thing, Jack, those those checks 101 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 4: are clear in either way. Yeah, I'm prioritizing my long 102 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: term health here right. Yeah, he's got a new contract 103 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 4: that's gonna have to come up soon. So if it 104 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 4: needs surgery, I just and and if you're hurt, isn't 105 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 4: there more of a chance of you just damaging your 106 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 4: value by playing poorly? And yet another postseason where I 107 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 4: had built in excuses where it's, oh, you were injured, 108 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,039 Speaker 4: oh r J. Barrett was our second offensive option or whatever. 109 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 4: And now you're on an actual good team with pretty 110 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 4: lofty expectations at this point, if I'm Julius and like, 111 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 4: I understand the mindset, and I'm not in the locker 112 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 4: room he wants to beat up for his teammates and 113 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 4: this and that, But if it needs surgery, Like, I'm 114 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: not trying to I'm not trying to play through it. 115 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 4: I'm going under the knife and I'm trying to heal 116 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 4: up as soon as possible. 117 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: Right. 118 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: Do you want to be able to high five your kids? 119 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: You know? 120 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 6: Right? 121 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 5: Right? 122 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: You don't want things like. 123 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 5: I want to be able to shigne my next contract without. 124 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: Any pain, right right, exactly, without like in a cast 125 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 1: and using all my like rib rotator like hip rotation 126 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: to do a signature. 127 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the I mean with Julius randall out, 128 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: I mean. 129 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: Josh hart Man, He's what'd you think of that? What'd 130 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: you think of that? The Detroit Pistons game, because that, 131 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, that ended on a bit of a controversial 132 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: note with Josh hart winning it at the end and 133 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: some fouls. 134 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 4: I don't know how they missed that call, but I'm 135 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: sure you guys throw The entire twenty seconds that led 136 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 4: up to that point was just so. 137 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't cohe it. 138 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 5: I don't know, but just. 139 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 4: When you go back and watch the replay, you've literally 140 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 4: Dante DiVincenzo taking out like two knees. 141 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 5: Not even just one. It's like you even dual. 142 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 4: Towarn A cls on that play, and I always wonder, 143 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 4: I mean, the Pistons, they probably won't be the worst 144 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:21,799 Speaker 4: team in NBA history, Like if they just want another 145 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 4: epic losing streak at the game that they probably should 146 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 4: have won it. 147 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, road that, I feel like there were some questionable 148 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: calls at the end because that Paolo move was I've 149 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,359 Speaker 2: heard people make the argument that it wasn't a travel. 150 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 2: That argument has not made sense to me as of, Yeah, 151 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 2: but wasn't that wasn't that against Detroit the Polo game winner? 152 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: Or about the travel? 153 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? 154 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think so. 155 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 5: Their explanation was really funny on that too. 156 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 4: It was just like they just basically recited what happened, 157 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: and just like it didn't provide any clarity on why. 158 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 2: He was gathering first, so they kind of gathered and 159 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 2: then took a step and then that one he moved 160 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 2: that foot, but the other foot. But just a couple 161 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: of tough breaks for the Pistons who are trying to 162 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: avoid ignanimity. Yeah, on the other side of things, Oh. 163 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: Wait, quick question, I've heard I have a friend who's 164 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: a Knicks fan and he's like Jalen Brunson Man like 165 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: he's in the goat conversation for the Knicks. I'm telling you, 166 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: I love this guy. 167 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: I love this guy. 168 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I thought Clyde Frazier. 169 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: Uh, I've seen as as y'all's goat. But where where 170 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: do you? 171 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 6: Where do you? 172 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: Where is Jalen Brunson. Where's he in the mix in 173 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: terms of storied Nick or Bocker players? 174 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 5: Man, I mean he's even played two full seasons there. Yeah, Like, 175 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 5: I just I don't even know where. 176 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 4: Like, I think you could have a discussion where it's 177 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 4: when we look back, is there a chance that Jalen 178 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: Brunson was a better nick than Carmelo Anthony? 179 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: Right, Myles's friend is five years old. So that's important 180 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:57,120 Speaker 2: for you, uh, for context, for all purposes. If he's 181 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: able to take them to a title, uh, take them 182 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: to a couple of titles over the next you know, 183 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: during his career retire, become the most entertaining broadcaster in 184 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: the history of New York Knicks basketball. So making up 185 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 2: write a book about how to be Cool where he 186 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: explains how to catch flies with your hand and then 187 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: shake them up and then release them. Then I think 188 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: we can start having the conversation about him, the Clyde Fraser. 189 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: There was a there was a report on like the 190 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 2: various phrases, the Clyde Fraser is averaging this season, and 191 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: I was really disappointed that spinning and winning was not 192 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 2: on there. Like spinning and winning, I guess has fallen 193 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 2: out of the rotation. That's my favorite, I think. 194 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 5: I mean, that's actually shocking. 195 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 4: But I will say him calling fewer games probably hurts. 196 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: Average usage per game. And we've got a dishing and 197 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: swishing at one point two per game. Yeah, see the 198 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: ball ser man. I mean that's just something that people 199 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 2: say I needed to rhyme to be an official client frasierism, 200 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 2: moving and grooving, posting and toasting. Is he wheeling and dealing? 201 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 2: That's not his slicing and dicing? I remember hacking and 202 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: whacking was No, he's we're down at point five to 203 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 2: seven a game, stumbling and bumbling. That's not necessarily his. 204 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,959 Speaker 2: But the at the very bottom of the list, this 205 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: one couldn't be more Walt Fraser bounding and astounding. Oh 206 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 2: that's okay, Clyde. Yeah, bounding and spinning and winning was 207 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: oh man, such a such a genius. And then when 208 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: he would throw it. Is he on the end? 209 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: Right? 210 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 2: Is this the iambic pentameter? But what a man? True 211 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 2: classic shout out to my roommate in New York at 212 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: the time, Sean and I would just sit there and 213 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 2: watch every next game and just be like, is he 214 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 2: it's anybody else seeing this guy's. 215 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 3: Coming from outer space with these these lines? 216 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, more of the story's he's better than Jalen Brunson. 217 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: There you go, easy well, And I think this is 218 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,599 Speaker 1: also coming from a place as someone who just anytime 219 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: the Knicks start doing well, like his circuits get fried 220 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: and he's like, dude, this is it and it's like 221 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: glensanity man, And I was like, easy, easy, easy, easy. 222 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: Let's take it one. Let's take it a year at 223 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: a time. 224 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 5: Can you even imagine the inflammatory things that will be 225 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 5: said when whoever the best player is on the Knicks 226 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 5: when they end their like five decade championship drought, Like, 227 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 5: the stuff that's going to be said about the best 228 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 5: guy on that team is. 229 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 3: Just to be wild, astounding and bounding. 230 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back, 231 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 2: and we are going to talk about the Celtics. Honest, Historically, 232 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 2: great Celtics team. I think we have to, we have 233 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: to acknowledge it. 234 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 6: We'll be right back, and we're back. 235 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: We're back. 236 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: I entered the season thinking it was Denver versus the field, 237 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: starting to feel like it is more and more taking 238 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: nothing away from Denver. I think they're still, you know, 239 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 2: the most likely to come out of the West. The 240 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: Celtics are the tenth best. They have the tenth best 241 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: net rating in NBA history. All of those teams except 242 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 2: for two, won the NBA Championship, and one of them 243 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: was the twenty fifteen sixteen Warriors. And those were teams that, 244 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: like Lebron beat in the finals, like at his at 245 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 2: the peak of his powers. They're like historically great right 246 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: in the net rating. 247 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: And the teams that didn't do it were Lebron. James 248 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 3: defeated them. 249 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: Yes, Lebron. The teams that were in the top ten 250 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: and didn't win the title, everybody else in that top 251 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: ten boll won the championship for the Laker. 252 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: This is I'm actually liking what I'm hearing. 253 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is great. 254 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: This is great. 255 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 2: But I'm currently at a position, you know, as a 256 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 2: you know, fan of the league, fan of the Sixers, 257 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: but you know, we're kind of on a break, and 258 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 2: then fan of like whoever the Celtics are playing, I'm 259 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: currently rooting for Denver to win so that they can 260 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 2: get home court, like on the off chance that they 261 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: can win enough games to catch up to the Celtics. 262 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 2: But the Celtics are. They're on pace for a sixty 263 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 2: five win season. They like they're nine and one over 264 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 2: the last ten. I think they're eight in front of 265 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: like the second place team. They're just running away with it. 266 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: Third in defensive efficiency, highest point differential twenty six and 267 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: three at home, ten games over five hundred on the 268 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: road so far, just destroying everybody. I don't know that 269 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 2: anyone in the East matches up well with them. 270 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: No, I mean when you look at their their record 271 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: against Eastern Conference teams, if they win against the Sixers 272 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: as of this recording, they will have gone a calendar 273 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: a full calendar year without a home conference loss. 274 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh wow, I did not know that. 275 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: That's I guess. 276 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 3: That's cool for them. 277 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: But I mean, like, the one thing I'm curious about 278 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: too is just talking about like MVP stuff. What Tatum 279 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: is like fifth like on the ladder and yeah, like 280 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: but everyone's just sort of like what what Like a 281 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: lot of people like what's it kind of take? And 282 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: I think I get there's always like, well what about 283 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: the best player on the best team, But I don't think. 284 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: It's that simple anymore. 285 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, their team is absolutely stacked. Like I feel like 286 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 2: Brad Stevens deserves, you know, consideration for Executive of the Year, 287 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: like for sure, but I didn't. I feel like they're 288 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: just really They've added two pieces that were like apparently 289 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 2: like I didn't realize this, but were exactly what they needed, right, 290 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: I mean, Holliday add a sense. Yeah, I wasn't catching 291 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 2: all his games before. 292 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 4: I was not high on the South this coming into 293 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 4: this season. I think they might have been the team 294 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 4: I was most wrong about this year. I thought the 295 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 4: offense was gonna be at a playmaking deficit, and you 296 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 4: just have Derek White and Drew Holliday, the stuff that 297 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 4: you're able to do without Horford Porzing has been way 298 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: healthier than I thought he's going to be. He's been 299 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 4: able to adjust this kind of his role where you're 300 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 4: plug and play but we'll let you punish some mismatches 301 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 4: really well, and what they've done defensively is just absolutely 302 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 4: ruined lives and Derek White, he's not gonna win because 303 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 4: Rudy Gobert exists, but like he probably should be second 304 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 4: or third on the defensive Player of the Year ballot 305 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 4: when you look at just the defensive workload he shoulders 306 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 4: and you guys mentioned and how just terrifying they are. 307 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 4: There's not I have the Nuggets still winning the title, 308 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 4: but like there's no argument that the Celtics have the 309 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 4: best top six in basketball. Like you just look at 310 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 4: their starting five and then Al Horford, who's still just 311 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 4: doing things at his age coming off the bench, and 312 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 4: there's like some questions about some of the other guys, 313 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 4: but you can piece meal like a seventh, eighth, ninth 314 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 4: man rotation together pretty easily when you look at all 315 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 4: the options that are on the dead, like even getting 316 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 4: Xavier Tilmut at the trade, and like that's just absolutely 317 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 4: massive for them. And so I was so wrong, And 318 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 4: there's no good argument I think right now for to 319 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: say why they wouldn't win the title or at least 320 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 4: come out of the East. 321 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 6: Uh. 322 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 4: But I do really just wonder what their offense will 323 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 4: look like come playoff time. They've cleaned up a lot 324 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: of their crunch time issues this year, but they're still 325 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 4: just like they don't have a ton of like above 326 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 4: average floor generalship on this team, Like Drew Holliday's not 327 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 4: that guy? Why it's not that guy? I think the 328 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 4: thing that is keeping Tatum out of the tippy top 329 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 4: of the MVP discussion is one, he's not going to 330 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 4: shoulder the same level of defensive workload as a Yiannis 331 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 4: just because you have a Derek White, you have a 332 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 4: Drew Holliday on your team, but also just you're not 333 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 4: going to be the same level of playmaker as Shay 334 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 4: Jokic Luca of course. And is that a function of 335 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 4: the roster or the limitations of his game. I think 336 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 4: it's more so it's about the roster, but we've seen 337 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 4: it in the playoffs. It can be a limitation of 338 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 4: his game as well. And that's still my biggest question 339 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 4: for them. But it's just as I voice it, just 340 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 4: given what they've done this season, I don't know that 341 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: I really believe it. 342 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Yeah, that's what that was kind of. I 343 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: was like, there's still something off, you know, maybe like 344 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: Tatum just doesn't have that instinct that's going to like 345 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: put people in the ground and like he still settles 346 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: for too many threes. But like the more just looking 347 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 2: at like how like where they stack up historically, Like 348 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 2: they're on the list with teams that won the title 349 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: and were memorable. They're like the teams you remember from 350 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: the decade that they've played in, you know, like that, 351 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: Or they are on there with like two teams that 352 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: were historically great and then lost to like amazing Lebron 353 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 2: James team performances in the finals, like two of those. 354 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: But it's it's starting to get to a place where 355 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 2: it's like, oh man, they're like whatever we're hoping doesn't 356 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: doesn't work out for them in the playoffs. That is 357 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: starting to feel like hopium a little bit, Yeah, good 358 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: for them. 359 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 5: Well they're the team. 360 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 4: Is there a scenario in which they don't win the 361 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 4: like what is right? What is the the level of 362 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 4: like how disappointing is if they don't win the title 363 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 4: this year? 364 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 2: Is it? 365 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 4: Can they come out of the East in this season 366 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 4: still be considered a success or if they lose in 367 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 4: the conference finals or in the NBA Finals, They're going. 368 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 5: To be wholesale questions that need to be answered. 369 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 2: I think starting last year, people like we're like, this 370 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 2: is when we need this team to win the title, 371 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: like they've been close enough times that like is and 372 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: so anything short of that for Celtics fans, and I 373 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: think for like how NBA Press like views them like 374 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: it is like they it's championship or bust at this point, 375 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 2: and especially with this historically strong a you know, most 376 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 2: of the season, at this point, I feel like people 377 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: are going to be starting to be like, maybe there 378 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: is something like maybe there is something to those ideas 379 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: floating around that like Tatum can't be the best player 380 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 2: on a championship team. So well, we'll see. But it's 381 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: it's definitely I don't know, it's it's a smart out 382 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: there for people who aren't Celtics fans. 383 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be real quiet for some 384 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: of us. 385 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: Okay, see second hottest team in the league behind the Celtics, 386 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: keeping pace with the Wolves still holding the Nuggets and 387 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: Clippers off. Second best point differential in the league behind 388 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 2: the Celtics and Shay Is as you mentioned already, like 389 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 2: you know, second to Kitch in the m v P 390 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: voting or m VP odds for the last three weeks. 391 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: CHET is second on the Rookie of the Year ladder 392 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 2: for the past six weeks. I don't know, you know, 393 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 2: I did predict that they were going to win the 394 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 2: title in the off season after just seeing one CHET 395 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 2: Summer League game. And I don't recommend betting a championship 396 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: team based on a single Summer League game. 397 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: But but hey, you could be a success story for 398 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: the people out there. 399 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 5: You're actually bet on them more the odds you got 400 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 5: on that. 401 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: They were pretty good. I have to pull out the ticket, 402 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:37,640 Speaker 2: give you a second, here, can. 403 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: Keep it in my wall. Inks gone. You can't prove 404 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: it's actually a betting slip anymore, Like sir, there's there's nothing. 405 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 5: It's a physical betting slip. 406 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: Apparently went to the book. Uh and did the business 407 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:52,400 Speaker 1: while you're looking for that. 408 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 5: I mean, that's ethical gambling right there. 409 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. Wait you have it. 410 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: He looks like you lost it is pretending that it is. 411 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: It is fading. 412 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,479 Speaker 1: Uh, be careful with those, Be careful with those. 413 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: So I bet one hundred dollars to win ten thousand dollars. 414 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 2: So I clicked dollars. Yeah, yeah, that was They were 415 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: like you know in the middle of the pack in 416 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,160 Speaker 2: terms of overall odds to win it this year. 417 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean, look, they satisfied the Phil Jackson rule, 418 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, winning forty before losing twenty. They're forty and 419 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: seventeen now, so there's one little, one little nudge of 420 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: confidence for you there. Yeah. I mean, man, when you 421 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: think that they only won forty games the whole last 422 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: they were forty and forty two last season, Like, wow, 423 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: what evolution they're having. That's pretty it's pretty crazy. 424 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,880 Speaker 2: The other so, I don't know, still keep an eye 425 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: on them. I still feel like I'd be really surprised 426 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: if it wasn't Nuggets and Celtics in the finals. Yeah, 427 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,159 Speaker 2: but yeah, I don't know. Check Check like throws a 428 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 2: wrench into the mix with you know, Yokic, like having 429 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 2: to go up against different looks and stuff. Like I'm 430 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 2: not saying Chet's gonna like stop him, but it's definitely 431 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: gets his hand on balls that only Wemby gets his 432 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 2: hand on, you know. Otherwise. So speaking of which. 433 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: Wait, did you see that that the Dylan Brooks is 434 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: new technique the Hunter high five? In just right after 435 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: the shots released, He's like, well, the ball ain't in there. 436 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 3: I'm high five in and he. 437 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: Got there was one where I think check throwing up 438 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: and he was almost like, what, what's that? It's kind 439 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: of interesting, but I love seeing new the new techniques. 440 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 3: People are deploying just to to you know, for for 441 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: defensive purposes. 442 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 6: Yeah. Uh. 443 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: And then my other off season prediction that this is 444 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 2: just the podcast now I just check in with my 445 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 2: good off season predictions. Uh huh. But Wemby winning Defensive 446 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 2: Player of the Year that took a big step forward 447 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 2: when he had a triple double with blocks first of 448 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 2: the Raptors a couple of weeks back. He's averaged five 449 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 2: point six blocks per contest over the last five games, 450 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: leads the league overall at three point three per contest. Uh. 451 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: Leads all rookies and points made, field goals, free throw 452 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 2: attempt steals, rebounds, Uh, he's fourth and assists. Yeah. 453 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: What is you think Wemby's the closest to getting the 454 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: quadruple double or Jokic or who do you think, because 455 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: you know what hasn't happened. 456 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: At point four for sure, I guess, but. 457 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 4: He would have to do it with so he'll have 458 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 4: the points, the rebounds and then he has to do 459 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 4: it with blocks and steals, because he probably won't do 460 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 4: it with assists, and that feels harder than having to 461 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 4: do it right with like Jokic can do it, he'll 462 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 4: get the triple double, and then it's, well, can he 463 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 4: get it in blocks and steals? 464 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 5: I guess he's not much of a shop blocker. 465 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,959 Speaker 1: I mean, Draymond had a triple double without points, right, 466 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: so you. 467 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: Know what I mean? No, I mean we had a 468 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: triple double with assists this season, Like he's he can 469 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: do it with assists. 470 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 471 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 5: I mean probably the answer. 472 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 4: I mean, he might have the quintuple double at some 473 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 4: point then, yeah, people, Yeah, that's why I think. 474 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: And it's also interesting you think, like, of the four 475 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: players to achieve the quadruple double, two of them have 476 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 1: been Spurs players. Yeah, so he's got a lot of 477 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,719 Speaker 1: because Alvin Robertson did it as a guard in nineteen 478 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: eighty six. 479 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 2: Oh wow, wow, it's unbelievable. 480 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's because then, yeah, everyone else was six eleven. 481 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: It was like Hakeem Uh the Admiral, and then Nate Thurman, I. 482 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 2: Think, damn. 483 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's an interesting one. It's an interesting one. 484 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: That's wow that it's taken. 485 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 3: It's been that long since ninety four. 486 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty like the triple double thing. 487 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, your mileage maybury on how 488 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 2: much you buy into that and like whether that should 489 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 2: be something that we ultimately reward MVP over. But yeah, uh, 490 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: it's like quadruple quadruple doubles. Pretty yeah, well. 491 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: Because that was like Russ's claim for a long time, 492 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: like does amount. 493 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 2: Of triple doubles this guy gets, Yeah, he's gotta be 494 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 2: and he won the VP off that yeah, yeah, that. 495 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 4: For yeah, that MVP award was like fueled by his 496 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: averaging and triple double. Yeah, only at the time it 497 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 4: was like, oh, no, one's done it since Oscar Robinson, right, 498 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 4: and now Russ has done it like too often where 499 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: it's like people are always just a status. 500 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: Whatever, it's just a triple double. It's like, now you're 501 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,159 Speaker 1: gonna be like, all right, he had three quadruple doubles 502 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: in this season. Okay. 503 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 4: The way we become numb to that stuff is kind 504 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 4: of sad. Like think about Giannis where it's just like 505 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 4: you watch Giannis now and it's like Wemby's the new thing, 506 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 4: but at some point we're just gonna become numb. And 507 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 4: it's already start. Someone asked, I saw this on social media. 508 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 4: Became a huge thing. Can Wemby or when will Wemby 509 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 4: be the best player in the NBA, And there was 510 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 4: a groundswell of responses that says he'll never be the 511 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 4: best player in the NBA because of his like offensive 512 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 4: skill set, And I'm like, if anything, Giannie has been 513 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 4: the best player in the NBA for multiple seasons, and 514 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 4: like he has never everyone came back like he's not 515 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 4: a primary initiator. We've seen people who aren't primary initiators 516 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 4: be the best player. And if you're gonna put up 517 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 4: you know, five by fives and maybe get a quintuple 518 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,880 Speaker 4: double or a quadruple double at some point. I find 519 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 4: it incredibly odd that there are people that are still 520 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 4: skeptical of him just because he's big and skinny. 521 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 5: I just I find bizarre. 522 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's going to be sooner rather than later, 523 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: like not not like next season, but I think he 524 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: could be prettier, like shockingly early in his career. 525 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 4: Could before or after twenty twenty seven? 526 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 5: Would you take which way would you go? 527 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's years and years into the future. I don't 528 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: even know if the world's going to still be around. 529 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: Oh I'm sorry that three years from. 530 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 3: Now Carrington event could knock out all of our electric. 531 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: Probably around twenty twenty seven is like the early prediction, 532 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 2: but I don't think it's impossible. 533 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, when was the last time we had someone in 534 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 4: their fourth season or fifth season be the best player 535 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 4: in the Like? 536 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 5: Was Lebron the best player in the NBA when he 537 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 5: was in his fifth season seven or eight? 538 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was around when he was becoming 539 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 2: the best player was getting he was definitely like a 540 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 2: little bit ahead of schedule. 541 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I guess. You know, we were talking 542 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,239 Speaker 1: about some of the KEYA Ladder races earlier, but you know, 543 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: dances we have. Let's let's get some refined expert opinion 544 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: on some of these these races. 545 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, who else we bring it on? 546 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? Damn, look at this guy, he's always got this stuff. 547 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean. 548 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 3: This character, who is this guy? Okay, let's start with MVP. 549 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: What do you think? 550 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 3: Let's get let me get your thoughts on that. 551 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 5: I think it's Jokic right now. 552 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 4: I mean, he has just been so dominant, and he's 553 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 4: actually improved defensively this year. I think I wouldn't be 554 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,200 Speaker 4: shocked though Shay ends up winning, because it feels like 555 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 4: there's a scenario where Jokic kind of hits cruise control 556 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 4: over the last like a few weeks of the season, 557 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 4: and that the margins are so close that if Shay's 558 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 4: really going for the award, or even if Luca, that 559 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 4: they could end up usurping him. But if it was 560 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 4: the award was being chosen today, I'd pick Jokic fairly comfortably. 561 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 5: But like Shay is, he's right there, and. 562 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 4: It's it feels like, I know we kind of went 563 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 4: through this with Jokic and Bed last year, but have 564 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,920 Speaker 4: it be this post this season with Shay and Jokic 565 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 4: so late and where it still feels so undecided is. 566 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 5: Not something I would have expected. It comes back to 567 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 5: the entire Thunder. 568 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 4: I was a huge fan of Shay, but Thunder being 569 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 4: in contention for the best record in the West, Shay 570 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,239 Speaker 4: being one of the top two MVP candidates just not 571 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 4: stuff I had on my twenty twenty three to twenty 572 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 4: twenty four BINGO card. 573 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 3: Right, what about Rookie of the Year. 574 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 2: That's the dob deal, right, isn't it. 575 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,400 Speaker 4: I think most people had as done deal as its 576 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 4: just being chet Holmgren. And I think that Wenby, ever 577 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 4: since they moved him, is like this Purson decided, Oh okay, 578 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 4: he's like he's a big he's gonna be our five. 579 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 4: I think Wenby has closed the gap, and there's a 580 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 4: case I don't know if he's. 581 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 5: Gonna you mentioned Defensive Player of the Year. He's definitely 582 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 5: not gonna win that. 583 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 4: But like I think Tim Duncan was the last rookie 584 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 4: to make an All Defense team, and if I was 585 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 4: going through it now, I think Wemby probably deserves to 586 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 4: make one. And so like, if he's going to be 587 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 4: a rookie who makes an All Defense team, I kind 588 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 4: of feel like he needs to win Rookie of the Year. 589 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 4: But I think it's gonna be I think it's gonna 590 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 4: be close. I probably would lean Wemby at this point though, 591 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 4: because he is he's transformative on it. It's not even 592 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 4: just the blocks. It's just like you ever watched the 593 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,239 Speaker 4: ground that he covers. It's just like it doesn't make 594 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 4: any sense. So I lean Wemby but it's close between 595 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 4: him and. 596 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: Chet Yeah, just producer Joe Barry got only five NBA 597 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: rookies have made an All Defense team Kareem, Akeem Minut, 598 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: David Robinson, and Tim Duncan. 599 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think category is doing these things. 600 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: My god, I know, I know, Storied, storage Club, story franchise. 601 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 3: What about most improved? 602 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 2: This one's tough. 603 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 4: I still go with Scottie Barnes, but there's like really 604 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 4: strong cases for I mean with Scotty Barnes, he's improved defensively, 605 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 4: and I think as a passer this year and as 606 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 4: a shooter in the scale at which he's done it, 607 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 4: where this is already who was a very good player 608 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 4: and then made the jump to All Star. 609 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,120 Speaker 5: I do think that matters. 610 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 4: But you have guys like Alprin, Shang Gun, there's Cam 611 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 4: Thomas probably deserves to be there for what he's done 612 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 4: in Brooklyn. 613 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 5: Like this feels like. 614 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 4: It's going to be like a pretty deep ballot when 615 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 4: you're looking at potential candidates. I still it's Scottie Barnes 616 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 4: for me at the moment, though. 617 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: I got Maxie. Maxie's leading the odds right now, So. 618 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 5: That's actually surprising to me. 619 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not seeing Scottie Barnes anywhere near the top. 620 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: I'm wondering, what do people just think that because he's 621 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 2: so good. Yeah, he's like way down there, Scottie Barnes. 622 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: You should you got you should go get some action 623 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: on that man. You can get really good value. 624 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 6: Wow. 625 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm looking at them. Why is like people like 626 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 4: Keg Cunningham's ahead of him? That's that's weird. I mean, 627 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 4: Kobe White is another good one. And I will say, 628 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 4: I don't know where you guys land on this. I'd 629 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 4: be curious to see. I'm not a fan of second 630 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 4: players winning the award just because I feel like you're 631 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 4: expected a second year players, because I feel like you're 632 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 4: expected to make this huge leap. Yeah, to go back 633 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 4: to the Thunder, Jalen Williams was already really good and 634 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 4: may have just made the leap to like basically or 635 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 4: close to an All Star. 636 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 5: So that's like kind of a name that I could 637 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 5: see creeping up. 638 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 2: I feel like he deserves it, but he's not gonna 639 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 2: like get it necessarily. But yeah, Jalen Williams has been incredible. 640 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 2: Haliburton makes sense like I would have thought like if 641 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 2: you told me what his season was gonna be, Like 642 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: I would have thought maybe he was an option in 643 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 2: the same way that Joah got it a few years back, right, 644 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: and you know it was like went from borderline all 645 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: start to one of the best players in the league. 646 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: But it doesn't seem like the odds are very good 647 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: on that one. So I'm happy with Maxie. We need 648 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 2: we need the wins in Philadelphia. 649 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: Yeah uh. And finally, what about Doc River's final post 650 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: game excuse in May? 651 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 2: What are those guys, Hey, I wouldn't withher all my 652 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 2: worst enemy coach coaching Yanna talk to the coupo. 653 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: What a wild take ill this guy? 654 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: I told him, don't bring me in now, all. 655 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: By the way, all like unsolicited basically where it's like 656 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 4: you're kind of just on the subject of coaching the 657 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 4: Bucks and he feels the need to say, oh, I 658 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 4: didn't I didn't want to coach the Bucks, or you 659 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 4: never want to do this. This is so hard, like 660 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 4: what was me? I've been gainfully employed for the past 661 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 4: two and a half decades. There's probably a point where 662 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 4: it's we're making him too much of a meme because 663 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 4: he has been a good coach. But at every stop 664 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 4: he's gone to, he's developed his reputation as like a 665 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 4: very good manager of superstar egos. Let's go back to 666 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 4: the Clippers problems in the locker room both iterations, the 667 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 4: Sixers problems in the locker room, both iterations, the Ben 668 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 4: Simmons era of the James Harden era. And now you're 669 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 4: in Milwaukee and just kind of like throwing the team 670 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 4: or the organization under the. 671 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 5: Butt, like why would you fire Adrian Griffin? That doesn't 672 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 5: make any sense and hire me? 673 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 2: I just yeah, why did you hire me? All right, 674 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: let's take a break, we'll come back. We'll do the 675 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: fastest segment in podcast over here. 676 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 3: And we're back, Dan fa Valley. 677 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: Look, man, I think it's Friday the thirteenth, because it's 678 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: about to be a nightmare on pod Street. Am I right? Jacket? 679 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 2: Way you're mixing different horror franchises. 680 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, that's how you do it. 681 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: It's how you do it. We kind of have vague 682 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: ideas of what those movies are about. But anyway, it's 683 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: time for the rapid fire around the question. Davin Value, 684 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,719 Speaker 1: you already know what time it is. We're gonna ask 685 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: you a question. You just chest passed the ball right 686 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: back to us. Give us your quick answer. Don't think 687 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: too hard, just give us the answer, please, so we. 688 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: Can Michael Myers just giving those instructions because this must 689 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: be a nightmare on my street on Friday the thirteenth. 690 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: Is it? Did? I just saw Michael Myers right there, 691 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: because you know that Mic is a chatterbox. If I 692 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: ever heard one man? Do you want to play a game? 693 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 3: Dan Fall, We'll guess what you're about to Uh you ready. 694 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 5: I'm ready start the clock? 695 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 6: Ryan? 696 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 3: Oh okay, Jack, you want to go first? 697 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 2: No, I want you to go first, Miles. I desperately 698 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: want you to go first. 699 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 3: Go go all right, Dann fa Valley. Check out this list. 700 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: You can pick now only three of these throwbacks from 701 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 1: the nineties. Which three are you picking? 702 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: You got Reggie Miller era Indiana Jazz from Malone Stock 703 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 2: then Son, Oh, sorry. 704 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 4: Okay, give me that Vince Carter er Raptors Jersey yep, 705 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 4: the Vancouver Grizzlies Jersey goes incredibly hard. 706 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're rocking that one. 707 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and that Houston Rockets Jersey. Why is that Drexler 708 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 4: who's in that picture? I can't Oh yeah, that is 709 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 4: bring those back why and that should be their logo 710 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 4: right now. 711 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 5: I freaking love that Rocket's logo. 712 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic one. It's weird. I mean, we haven't even 713 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: gotten to talk about the Clippers logo, but uh, just 714 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: just briefly. Fans you fan of the Clippers rebrand. 715 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 5: I thought it was fine. 716 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 4: I do not like I was a fan of the 717 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,880 Speaker 4: powder blue stuff they were doing, so they kind of 718 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 4: see that take a back seat was a little bit sad, 719 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 4: I will say. When I saw their previous font, I 720 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 4: always thought of, do you guys remember the Windows paper 721 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 4: clip guy? 722 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, clip pop up. 723 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 4: Getting rid of that font is either a W or 724 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,360 Speaker 4: an L. I kind of like thinking about the Windows 725 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 4: paper clip guys that font a little bit. But the 726 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 4: logo goes pretty hard. It looks a little bit like 727 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 4: the Seattle Mariners. But I like the actual like compass 728 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 4: and ship stuff that's in there. 729 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 730 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not bad, not bad, not bad. 731 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 6: All right? 732 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: Damn more likely to happen? And why Nick's Eastern Conference 733 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 2: Final Warriors, Western Conference Final. 734 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 4: Warriors, Western Conference Final just they have they have the 735 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 4: pedigree with with steph. 736 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 1: Okay, how about this more likely to happen? And why 737 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: Calves Eastern Conference Final or Lakers Western Conference Final. 738 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 5: That's easy. 739 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 4: It's the Calves Eastern Conference Final because the Lakers are 740 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 4: Torrian Prince's team. 741 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 5: And that's the problem. 742 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 6: My god, I can't believe. 743 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: I can't believe what I saw against the. 744 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 2: Sun more likely to happen Buck's Eastern Conference Final, Sun's 745 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:19,960 Speaker 2: Western Conference Final. 746 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 4: Ooh, it's bus Buck's Eastern Conference Final. I just I 747 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 4: don't know how you can trust Phoenix and crunch time 748 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 4: and to be healthy at this point. 749 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 750 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: Okay, give us your most underappreciated of the truly all 751 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: time greats. You know someone that deserves to be mentioned 752 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 1: but isn't. He doesn't doesn't really get the respect or 753 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: at least the recognition they should when talking about all timers. 754 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 5: I'm gonna go with t ma Ac. 755 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 4: Do we I know he was injured, but like, do 756 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 4: you remember what Pete t Mac was like? Just like 757 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 4: as a okay, the scoring, but the passing, the shot 758 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 4: flocking as a guard like this is someone who I 759 00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 4: think that he had the longevity, could have been like 760 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 4: the scoring chainampion, the assist champion, and maybe just been 761 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 4: making all defensive teams and him and I would also 762 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 4: just nominate Grant Hill, who I think might have been 763 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 4: gone down as like one of the ten best players 764 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 4: of all time that he never got gotten injured and 765 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 4: would be probably be the player I'd most want to 766 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 4: see among legends in like today's era, where I like 767 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 4: his game would just PLoP right in and he could dominate. 768 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 6: All right. 769 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Speaker 2: And finally, what is the one moment or game from 770 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 2: NBA history you wish Twitter had been around for? 771 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 4: Twitter had been around for I can't even think, Ah, 772 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 4: I have this is too hard. 773 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: I feel like it can't be too hard, Dan or 774 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: else the whole show falls apart, all right. 775 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 4: So I feel like, what if Twitter was around for 776 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 4: like the the Michael Jordan like the shot against the Jazz, 777 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 4: or even can I go off the court like the 778 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 4: food poisoning with Michael like that game and having. 779 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 5: That whole pizza story behind it? 780 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, because the conspiracy theories would have 781 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,520 Speaker 2: already been flaring up by the time the first vomit 782 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 2: hit the toilet, you know, like people would be like, hey. 783 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,240 Speaker 1: Poisoned them right right now, right right, My cousin knows 784 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: a guy look, and you're. 785 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 3: Like, oh, yep, or there absolutely. 786 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,319 Speaker 4: Would have been like the Counter Reports where it's well 787 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 4: we actually start Jordan's charter a jet to Vegas right game. 788 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like what really hasppened there? 789 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 2: Well, Dan Favale, you have made it through the shooting 790 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 2: gallery that is the rabbit Fire round of questions Miles 791 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 2: and jackott Man Boostie, thank you so much for joining 792 00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 2: us once again. Where can people find you? Follow you 793 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,480 Speaker 2: all that good stuff? 794 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 4: They can find me on Twitter. It's just my name 795 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,439 Speaker 4: at Dan Favalley fav A L E. And if they're 796 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,720 Speaker 4: looking for more general NBA talk. I co host the 797 00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 4: Hardwoodknox podcast. It is spelled exactly as it sounds. 798 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,640 Speaker 2: It's the Hardwood Knock. 799 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,280 Speaker 4: It needs to be our intro music until we remembered 800 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 4: like seven or eight years ago that copyright issues worth thing. 801 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it happens to the best of us on here. 802 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah turn things. 803 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: Uh well, you can follow us on Twitter. First of all, 804 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,880 Speaker 1: you can follow the hashtag for show LinkedIn updates hashtag 805 00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: mad boostis b W O S T I E S. 806 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,800 Speaker 3: You can follow me on Twitter at Miles of Gray. 807 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 2: I'm at Jack Underscore O'Brien. And that was it one 808 00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 2: of two we did two in the books, one O 809 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 2: three Coming at You, Benny. 810 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 1: And two George is in the bag. Maybe guess what. 811 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna be back for another one, one O three, 812 00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 1: straight up banger and mash. We'll see you next time. 813 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: I was Jack on Mad Boosties. 814 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:39,040 Speaker 2: Bye.