Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Daily, where we would never request
Speaker 1: a trade out at a Chris Westling podcast studio.
Speaker 2: I'm here talking about a lot of news.
Speaker 1: It's happening, Patrick Claybond, We're doing it.
Speaker 3: We're doing it.
Speaker 4: And I love that there's a distinction between requesting a
Speaker 4: trade because that's that's when it. You know, people report
Speaker 4: to somebody who requests the trade, and then there's the
Speaker 4: secondary somebody has formally requested yes trade, which I always
Speaker 4: wonder is that does that involve papyrus?
Speaker 2: Hmmm?
Speaker 3: Is there a quill in this process? But I love it.
Speaker 3: I love it no.
Speaker 1: Matter what, just like someone delivering a handwritten letter I
Speaker 1: would I would.
Speaker 3: Have is are you John Schneider, Yes, you're served.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert it's DK Metcalf talk at the top of
Speaker 1: this podcast. So I'm here with Patrick, and when I'm
Speaker 1: saying like we're doing it, it's happening. The free agency frenzy,
Speaker 1: I feel like it starts earlier and earlier every year,
Speaker 1: it started to bubble up more. Tuesday was a pretty
Speaker 1: busy day. Wednesday we got even more news, including this
Speaker 1: DK Metcalf trade request, which was not a shock but
Speaker 1: a surprise. I would say that it's out there in
Speaker 1: the sense that the Seahawks seem very open to it,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into that in a second. And then
Speaker 1: later in the show, we're going to listen to myself
Speaker 1: and Allie Connolly, one of the best minds in the business,
Speaker 1: and we're going to go through the free agency list
Speaker 1: and we're just got to talk about guys we'd want
Speaker 1: on our team, guys that we would want to sign.
Speaker 4: So it's a pack show, and it's ahead of all
Speaker 4: of this, ahead of the frenzy, to get everybody a
Speaker 4: chance to evaluate as long as again, you have a
Speaker 4: representative to call and discuss with teams, because if you
Speaker 4: want to do it yourself, that's tampering hm hmm, and
Speaker 4: that's bad. So players, we're sorry, op at fans and
Speaker 4: you know, people who have representation, this is the podcast.
Speaker 1: That's a great point you that it is a little
Speaker 1: a favorite to the people that then have the agency.
Speaker 1: Early I have been having to update my top one
Speaker 1: oh one. Now DK Metcalf is not going to be there,
Speaker 1: but one of his teammates might be Tyler Lockett. Let's
Speaker 1: start though with the DK Metcalf news. But I wanted
Speaker 1: to mention that the Seahawks are releasing Tyler Lockett because
Speaker 1: I think these things can be talked about in tandem,
Speaker 1: because suddenly, if they're both not on the team, that's
Speaker 1: a totally different Seahawks offense. So the DK Metcalff trade
Speaker 1: request report comes in. He reportedly prefers to be dealt
Speaker 1: to a contending team, which who amongst us would not.
Speaker 1: The compelling part of it is a that it's so
Speaker 1: formal and at B that the Seahawks are letting him
Speaker 1: explore those options. Let's start with just do you think
Speaker 1: this deal ends up happening?
Speaker 4: Well, the letting explore thing, I truly think we've seen
Speaker 4: it right with Matthew Stafford, where there already is a
Speaker 4: relationship and you're able to go out and determine what
Speaker 4: your value is, what the circumstances can and so much
Speaker 4: of this, especially when we're evaluating players positions.
Speaker 3: They get tagged as.
Speaker 4: Mercurial or whatever and DK plays wide receiver and the
Speaker 4: conversation is about is this person happy? Well, it gives
Speaker 4: them a chance to say, what's the market, what could
Speaker 4: these particular situations be, and if the situation is better
Speaker 4: here in Seattle with Gino than perhaps it is, but
Speaker 4: it at least gives him an opportunity to get that information,
Speaker 4: as well as the Seahawks a chance to get information
Speaker 4: about how other teams view Decay.
Speaker 1: Right and similar to Stafford, but not quite the same.
Speaker 1: The contract is a big part of it. So DK
Speaker 1: has eighteen million dollars in base salary this season, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, a good bargain, a four million dollar option bonus.
Speaker 1: The cap number is quite higher because they had pushed
Speaker 1: out that he is already on his second contract and
Speaker 1: this would naturally be the off season where he would
Speaker 1: be looking for a third contract. Now if he has
Speaker 1: the feeling and maybe they were conversations with the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: that's not happening in Seattle, or it's not going to
Speaker 1: be at the level that he wants. But it actually
Speaker 1: is a logical time that these two sides would part
Speaker 1: ways because Seattle could presumably get a better trade offer,
Speaker 1: even maybe than Stafford was getting.
Speaker 2: He was a second round pick.
Speaker 1: Maybe not, maybe it's just a second round pick quote unquote,
Speaker 1: but it'd be a good pick, and DK would make
Speaker 1: that premier wide receiver money not only a year earlier,
Speaker 1: but presumably it would be more elsewhere. I wrote down
Speaker 1: some potential landing spots, but I have to admit after
Speaker 1: doing the exercise, it was it was harder to come
Speaker 1: up with the teams where DK metcalf didn't make sense,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of teams could use a.
Speaker 2: Number one wide receiver.
Speaker 1: And as I've been mentioning on the show, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of cap space out there. Half the league has
Speaker 1: almost fifty million dollars in cap space, more than half
Speaker 1: as forty million dollars, So a lot of teams could fit.
Speaker 1: DK metcalf in who stuck out to you which teams
Speaker 1: has potential landing spots?
Speaker 4: Well, there's we've discussed right the Green Bay Packers and
Speaker 4: their need for having a in actual number one.
Speaker 1: There's been reports that that those conversations have already happened,
Speaker 1: although they've been dismissed by different people, but that's been
Speaker 1: out there that that could be a thing.
Speaker 4: And again the teams with space and with the need
Speaker 4: at the spot. Right, you've got a.
Speaker 3: Denver Broncos team that.
Speaker 4: I think services as you mentioned, Greg, like the number
Speaker 4: of teams that would be out right, because I'm also
Speaker 4: thinking about the Indianapolis Colts with their thirty four million
Speaker 4: dollars in cap space where it's it's easy to see, well, hey, DK.
Speaker 3: Playing primarily on the outside and being a big.
Speaker 4: Target, is that one where there's only fourteen or fifteen
Speaker 4: of these guys on planet Earth, and so behoove almost
Speaker 4: everybody if they have the money to do it, to
Speaker 4: take a shot at getting.
Speaker 1: Broncos wouldn't make sense. And yet they didn't even make
Speaker 1: my list. Like, he wants to go to a contending team,
Speaker 1: We'll see how much he can control the process. The
Speaker 1: Patriots were interested in him and Brandon Ayuk a year ago,
Speaker 1: you would assume that they would they've got the most
Speaker 1: cap space.
Speaker 2: The Raiders would make some sense.
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's there certainly could use a wide receiver. Dave
Speaker 1: Canalis was with DK metcalf, so I tried to make
Speaker 1: the connections. The Carolina Panthers could certainly use a number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver. Some of the contending teams that I
Speaker 1: think could maybe fine room for maybe the Chiefs if
Speaker 1: they wanted to get a little crazy, they did open
Speaker 1: up some room today. Maybe the Ravens. Would they be
Speaker 1: willing to give long term money. I could just see
Speaker 1: him in a Ravens uniform. They love the big, physical
Speaker 1: type players who wouldn't love DK mccalf. The Bills might
Speaker 1: be a little tough, but you wouldn't totally shock me
Speaker 1: the Giants. Could the Dolphins get involved with like a
Speaker 1: Tyreek swap? I mean, the options are endless. I'm going
Speaker 1: to answer my own question from before. I didn't tend
Speaker 1: to think this is going to happen, because I do
Speaker 1: think there will be a good market for him, and
Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I don't think it's getting
Speaker 1: out there in such a way. And John Schneider was
Speaker 1: evasive when asked about DK netcalf last week. If they
Speaker 1: already weren't somewhat on board with this and open to it,
Speaker 1: I don't like the idea from the Seahawks perspective.
Speaker 4: Now, from the seahawkspective perspective, it doesn't necessarily make a
Speaker 4: ton of sense, unless, of course, you've already made the
Speaker 4: decision down the road and you're honest with DK about
Speaker 4: it that this third contract is not coming from Seattle,
Speaker 4: and so DK has an opportunity to see where is
Speaker 4: that third contract coming from, or is it better to
Speaker 4: play this year in Seattle and then try to procure
Speaker 4: that contract.
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so but you get rid of DK and
Speaker 1: you cut Tyler Lockett, Like.
Speaker 3: Within an hour we found out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, essentially the Seahawks were receiving core non JSN.
Speaker 1: Shake, you know, shout out to Tyler Lockett. One of
Speaker 1: the best, you know, team runs of the last decade,
Speaker 1: just kind of the classic Seahawks fans know how much
Speaker 1: he meant to them in a way that maybe the
Speaker 1: national media didn't. You arrive there in twenty fifteen immediately
Speaker 1: as a contributor, always one of the more underrated players.
Speaker 1: I think eventually people caught up to what a great
Speaker 1: route runner is. Smaller thirty three coming off a six
Speaker 1: hundred yard season, I.
Speaker 2: Didn't put him in the top one on one. Should
Speaker 2: I feel bad about that? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you should feel bad about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: In terms of like evaluating age being a factor. The
Speaker 4: falloff of last season and kind of it comes along
Speaker 4: with the ascension of Jackson Smith and Jigbo where, you know,
Speaker 4: maybe if the targets are there, Tyler Lockett, you know,
Speaker 4: has a season where he gets into the one.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: He's a guy who almost immediately goes down after catching
Speaker 1: the ball because he's trying to avoid contact, which you know,
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison did his whole career and went to the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame that way. It's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why Tyler Lockett, who people thought was too undersized to play,
Speaker 1: is still playing every game at his age.
Speaker 2: But not a yack guy.
Speaker 1: And yeah, if they trade Dcalf DK Metcalf, it's Jake
Speaker 1: Bobo as your number two receiver right now. And I
Speaker 1: don't even know who's number three. They don't even have
Speaker 1: a number three. I kind of like Jake Bobo.
Speaker 4: I got Jake Bobo's nice, but nice when viewed alongside
Speaker 4: DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett and Jaxona's within Jigbo.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think he fits as a three or a
Speaker 1: four in a four man rotation. I think he is
Speaker 1: due like a step up, a chance to be a
Speaker 1: red zone type of guy. So that's just two receivers
Speaker 1: a lot to watch there. I'm curious where Lockett will go.
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll go to some of those teams I mentioned,
Speaker 1: which with Seattle Connections, Carolina or Las Vegas. I thought
Speaker 1: we were going to be leading the show with a
Speaker 1: big surprising trade. Joe Tooney is going to the Bears
Speaker 1: for a twenty twenty sixth fourth round pick. Two time
Speaker 1: All Pro including this year. Hell, he got Offensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year votes from his ex teammates that are
Speaker 1: in the media. I don't know about that, you know,
Speaker 1: Rodney and Tom Brady. Let's take away those votes. Four
Speaker 1: time Super Bowl champion between the Patriots and the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Football's cruel though, because you know he's compensating well and everything,
Speaker 1: but ultimately, his end in Kansas City was getting steamrolled
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, as your team got steamrolled in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. He did individually, had a rough game,
Speaker 1: and then you get traded.
Speaker 2: Who knows if he knew this was coming or not.
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a shock to the system for
Speaker 1: a really great player who's gonna have a Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame resume at some point. And I actually think this
Speaker 1: is a win win for both sides, as much as
Speaker 1: it sounds crazy for it to be a win for
Speaker 1: the Chiefs.
Speaker 4: What do you think, No, it's definitely a win for
Speaker 4: Joe Toney because, let's be honest, you talk about the
Speaker 4: way things ended, he got moved around and put in
Speaker 4: that spot.
Speaker 1: Right it wasn't his fault. He was playing well at guard.
Speaker 1: He was playing well at guard.
Speaker 4: And so like he gets essentially sent on a mission
Speaker 4: and now it almost with the trade kind of could
Speaker 4: retroactively feel like blame. I don't know that that's necessarily
Speaker 4: the case, but you know, maybe when all the dust settles,
Speaker 4: the Bears are going to end up with two members
Speaker 4: of the Chiefs offensive line after this, you know, get
Speaker 4: free agency and get Trace meth a spot.
Speaker 2: Why in a trade they're going to get him too, Just.
Speaker 3: Just go ahead and just make it happen.
Speaker 4: Wow, But essentially right, it makes sense for the Bears,
Speaker 4: and it makes sense for Joe Touney. And you know,
Speaker 4: if the Chiefs can keep this thing going with continuing
Speaker 4: to shuffle spots on the offensive line, I'm not as
Speaker 4: confident as I would have been.
Speaker 2: Well, tot, he's not that old either.
Speaker 1: He's thirty two, which you know for a guard is
Speaker 1: you still have good years left. He hasn't really shown
Speaker 1: any decline at at guard, and I think it was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a sign of someone who wasn't
Speaker 1: necessarily watching when they were given Tony a lot of
Speaker 1: pop for how he played at left tackle, because he
Speaker 1: got he was one of their biggest issues. Their entire
Speaker 1: line was an issue. But essentially they chose to keep
Speaker 1: Tray Smith and you can't keep everyone, and they chose
Speaker 1: Tray Smith, who's five years younger, over Joe Toney, and
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Bill Barnwell shout out to him on
Speaker 1: our Trades to watch podcast, Eric, we got to keep
Speaker 1: track of how many of these players get traded. He
Speaker 1: had Joe Toney and I thought he had a little
Speaker 1: too much dip on his chip for that one, Like
Speaker 1: he just that out there, out of nowhere. There was
Speaker 1: no buzz about this possibly happening. But he put the
Speaker 1: he put the pieces together, and he said he's one
Speaker 1: year away from his contract ending. They're probably not going
Speaker 1: to be able to afford Joe Toney and Trey Smith
Speaker 1: in a year. So if you want to keep Tray Smith,
Speaker 1: then maybe you try to get something for Joe Toney
Speaker 1: now and you make that choice. And that's exactly what
Speaker 1: they did. So good job by Bill kind of sleuthing
Speaker 1: that together. If you're listening to NFL daily regularly.
Speaker 5: We also had Ryan Poles on and yeah, he told
Speaker 5: you that they're ready to start spending on the offensive line,
Speaker 5: Connect the Dots, NFL.
Speaker 1: Daily break in the News, and of course, if you
Speaker 1: missed it, Jonah Jackson was traded from the Rams to
Speaker 1: the Bears on Tuesday. It seems like a long time
Speaker 1: ago now. So they have two guard spots now taken up,
Speaker 1: they still need to fill their center spot. And it's crazy.
Speaker 1: They actually probably could draft a guard too. Because Tony's
Speaker 1: on the last year of his contract. Maybe you want
Speaker 1: to extend them, but Jonah Jackson, who knows what's going
Speaker 1: to happen with him, Like, you need to have some
Speaker 1: young players there too.
Speaker 4: So if you want to chart the Bears offseason, there
Speaker 4: is a before Greg had a conversation with Ryan Poles,
Speaker 4: and then there is an after Greg had a conversation
Speaker 4: with Ryan Poles, and the offensive line is significantly better
Speaker 4: that there's no disagreeing with that.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: And for all the Chiefs fans that are upset, you
Speaker 1: only got a fourth, you only got a fourth because
Speaker 1: no one in the league was willing to give up
Speaker 1: more than a fourth. I actually think it's a sign
Speaker 1: that they would have considered cutting Joe Toney if they
Speaker 1: got nothing for him, because they reportedly want to spend
Speaker 1: some money at wide receiver. There's other spots in the
Speaker 1: roster that they want to spend and that they just
Speaker 1: ultimately chose a couple of people, Tray Smith and Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 1: Now that's where the sentiment comes in. You know, Joe
Speaker 1: Tuney he got that first Super Bowl with the Patriots, and.
Speaker 2: So you know they're loyal to Travis Kelcey.
Speaker 1: If you were asking me which one would provide more
Speaker 1: value in twenty twenty five, I might make.
Speaker 2: The case for Joe Touny.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're never going to get rid of Travis kelce
Speaker 1: so you keep him at a big salary.
Speaker 3: It was pretty is it? This feels spicy?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's it's the last thing that's in
Speaker 1: your mind, which Travis Kelcey struggling really in that playoff
Speaker 1: run in general, but especially in the Super Bowl. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's stick in the division. Max Crosby gets another extension.
Speaker 1: How this guy just keeps getting extensions? Three years, one
Speaker 1: hundred and six million, ninety one million dollars guaranteed. The
Speaker 1: Raiders also signed Alex Kappa on Wednesday. Alex Kapa was
Speaker 1: just released earlier this week by the Bengals. He has
Speaker 1: a history with their new GM Also a guest of
Speaker 1: NFL Daily John Spytech, who said they would be intelligently aggressive.
Speaker 1: I believe at quarterback.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 1: You know, they haven't gotten their quarterback yet, but they
Speaker 1: did get Alex Kappa, who is with him in Tampa.
Speaker 2: Tough player.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Crosby is now the highest paid non quarterback ever.
Speaker 2: Pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very cool, especially looking over at the situation
Speaker 4: in Cleveland where a guy who's going Campton one day
Speaker 4: decided he no longer wants to be a part of things.
Speaker 4: Things have been very frustrating for Max in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4: So yeah, go go ahead and get this done, secure
Speaker 4: a long term partnership, and.
Speaker 3: Make it happen.
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Speaker 1: A couple releases that dropped on Wednesday. Christian Kirk big
Speaker 1: time free agent signing. A couple of years ago. People
Speaker 1: were all up in arms. Remember it was like, how
Speaker 1: could you seventeen million dollars a year? And all these
Speaker 1: deals end up looking okay in the long run. Not
Speaker 1: only did he play well the first year he got
Speaker 1: I think eleven hundred yards, but seventeen million dollars quickly
Speaker 1: didn't look like nearly as much receiver. Now that said,
Speaker 1: he wasn't doing that much more than that this year,
Speaker 1: and it totally made sense. I think from their perspective,
Speaker 1: they're saving over ten million dollars against the cap because
Speaker 1: he just couldn't stay healthy the last couple of years.
Speaker 1: He had a broken collarbone, he had a muscle core
Speaker 1: injury the year before. And it's a new regime that
Speaker 1: these things happen with a new regime. But unlike Tyler Lockett,
Speaker 1: he is on my top one on one, he's in
Speaker 1: my top fifty.
Speaker 2: I think Christian Kirk can help your team. He's about
Speaker 2: forty six.
Speaker 4: Clear difference No Christian Kirk with Christian Kirk before the Jags,
Speaker 4: throughout his entirety, including when he was coming back from
Speaker 4: that core muscle injury where they got banged up and
Speaker 4: there really wasn't a replacement for it. Despite the ascension
Speaker 4: of BTJ right, there still wasn't that Christian Kirk value
Speaker 4: in the offense.
Speaker 1: Like he's a little straight line and he's not a
Speaker 1: number one receiver, but he can give you pop running
Speaker 1: down the seams. Definitely kept his speed there in Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: A broken collar bone is not an injury you want
Speaker 1: to suffer, but also is an injury that's not going
Speaker 1: to affect your speed, and that's something people come back
Speaker 1: from and they're basically all the way back, and so
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be an attractive option for
Speaker 1: maybe if the Ravens weren't going as high as a
Speaker 1: d K, maybe a Christian Kirk to throw in the mix,
Speaker 1: Like he he'd be a perfect whether he's a two,
Speaker 1: whether he's a three. To me, wide receiver rooms are
Speaker 1: now their rotations. He's obviously not the one, but he
Speaker 1: fits in a three to four, two to four rotation
Speaker 1: as a as a quality player.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just in terms of getting talent on the field,
Speaker 4: and he's not hurting you like his numbers against press,
Speaker 4: ability to play out wide or we're in the slot
Speaker 4: right where the majority of the snaps are coming in
Speaker 4: the ladder there, but still like he can do it
Speaker 4: and he's got tape out to do it.
Speaker 3: So yeah, he contribute in a lot of plays A week.
Speaker 1: One starting quarterback was released on Wednesday. Gardner Minshew kind
Speaker 1: of forgot he was still on the Raiders. He's not
Speaker 1: been a free agent. He was released. They had to
Speaker 1: guarantee some of that money into the second year, so
Speaker 1: they are eating some of that guaranteed money. But ultimately
Speaker 1: they don't see him even as a potential backup with
Speaker 1: the team.
Speaker 2: So he is out. He's not on my one on one.
Speaker 1: And yet if your team signs him to be your backup,
Speaker 1: depending on the situation with your starter, he's a very
Speaker 1: good backup or a good enough backup. So Minshew will
Speaker 1: continue to get work and get checks. Sam Hubbard retired.
Speaker 1: I expected him to be cut this offseason just because
Speaker 1: he just has not been the same player. Unfortunately, suffered
Speaker 1: a really serious injury on a touchdown. I can't think
Speaker 1: of a career ending this way. A defensive player makes it,
Speaker 1: catches a touchdown from his buddy Joe Burrow. They're very close.
Speaker 1: Hubbard's a local guy, by the way, Ohio guy, and
Speaker 1: he's decided to retire. I think he's only twenty eight
Speaker 1: years Old's happy trail to Sam Hubbard.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a nice career where you know, they came very
Speaker 4: close to accomplishing that ultimate goal and he's I mean,
Speaker 4: do you highlighted it with the touchdown? He's done a
Speaker 4: lot in this league and why go past wy Goa's
Speaker 4: the exploration? Congratulations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had a few different things. It was a
Speaker 1: PCL injury. Anyhow, Hubbard had gotten a big second contract
Speaker 1: from Mike Brown and them. They if they don't bring
Speaker 1: back Trey Hendrickson this year, like we'll see, they are
Speaker 1: starting over at that position. We learned on Wednesday that
Speaker 1: Tank Dell was having ACL surgery, and I just thought
Speaker 1: that was notable because just thinking about a timeline for
Speaker 1: him to return. We're going to talk AFC South on
Speaker 1: our next show, Patrick, and They're gonna need wide receivers
Speaker 1: because if he's only having this surgery on Wednesday after
Speaker 1: having another surgery I think it was on his PCL
Speaker 1: six weeks ago. Then it's going to be a long recovery.
Speaker 1: The Texans also re signed dary Ogunbowale, their versatile fullback.
Speaker 1: Running back Mason Crosby, the longtime Packers kicker, retired, Happy
Speaker 1: trails to him. Joel Buttonio is returning to the Browns,
Speaker 1: so that's good news for them. He is not going
Speaker 1: to retire Zach Martin his official retirement. He's going into
Speaker 1: the ring of honor, and DAK and CD both restructured
Speaker 1: their contracts and voila. The Cowboys dolling up thirty seven
Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space.
Speaker 4: The CAP's not real, Yeah, no, it's it's all you know,
Speaker 4: it's all relative. And so congratulations to Jerry Jones and
Speaker 4: the Cowboys and now that could be all in Greg.
Speaker 4: So they're not though they're going to take that money.
Speaker 4: They're going to spend it on players now, right.
Speaker 1: He said that he wouldn't use the word aggressive to
Speaker 1: describe how they were going to be. So see Cowboys
Speaker 1: now have fifty four million dollars in cap space. I'm
Speaker 1: tracking this when we get to the point where half
Speaker 1: the league has fifty million dollars, that is just the
Speaker 1: unprecedented amount of cap space. I would like the research
Speaker 1: group to go back and check because over half has
Speaker 1: at least forty six million dollars.
Speaker 2: It's too much money.
Speaker 1: Now, it's not too much money, but I'm curious how
Speaker 1: they're all going to find ways to spend.
Speaker 4: It when when half the league has fifty seven million dollars.
Speaker 4: Perhaps that's a good time to tell your team that
Speaker 4: you would like to seek options regarding the trade.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's a very good point.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of teams that can make this
Speaker 1: thing happen with other teams players and their own players.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but I do
Speaker 1: what to mention. As a preface, Olli Connelly and I
Speaker 1: talked about guys we would want to sign in free agency.
Speaker 1: Part of the reason I wanted Ali Connelly on the
Speaker 1: podcast was because he had Zach Bond as his defensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year. I thought he spoke and wrote
Speaker 1: very eloquently about how and why Zach Bond was so
Speaker 1: important to the Eagles defense. Was really the lynchpin brought
Speaker 1: it all together that Vic Fangio was not going to
Speaker 1: let this guy leave the building. That informed my own analysis,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to hear it, you know, straight from
Speaker 1: the horse's mouth. We tape that before Zach Bond signed
Speaker 1: a three year deal for fifty one million dollars with
Speaker 1: thirty four guaranteed. He is the fourth highest paid off
Speaker 1: ball linebacker in the league. Hell, I think that Eagles
Speaker 1: got a pretty good deal considering how great he was,
Speaker 1: but I understand him wanting to stay in Philadelphia where
Speaker 1: he was so productive. And what a come up, what
Speaker 1: a story of development. Zach Bond has been going from
Speaker 1: an afterthought in New Orleans to one of the best
Speaker 1: off ball linebackers league. I wanted to leave the start
Speaker 1: of the segment, we said free agents we wanted to sign,
Speaker 1: and the first one that came out of all his
Speaker 1: mouth was Zach Bond. So that is going to start
Speaker 1: our conversation which will start after the break, and I
Speaker 1: think that part of it will inform you to the
Speaker 1: reason why Zach Bond is worth all that cheddar. Thank
Speaker 1: you Patrick for your contributions to today's program, but you'll
Speaker 1: be back.
Speaker 2: Later this week.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Greg Here with Ali Connolly, one of my favorite guests.
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Speaker 1: welcome back.
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Speaker 5: do not trust John Henry, who owns the team, my
Speaker 5: football team. The football team is top of the league,
Speaker 5: so I will give mister Henry maybe one less chance.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, they did have a lot of success
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Speaker 2: Okay, free agencies coming up.
Speaker 1: And we've been talking about, you know, looking at it
Speaker 1: from a team by team perspective, but I hadn't really
Speaker 1: gone through my top one oh one and beyond and
Speaker 1: just talked about the guys like I would want the
Speaker 1: guys that I think would be great to sign in
Speaker 1: free agency. So we're going to keep this pretty simple.
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Speaker 1: You know, previewing the draft in great depth, an incredible
Speaker 1: amount of depth, Ollie, before we get that, I want
Speaker 1: you to bring that sort of depth, maybe not all
Speaker 1: the way, but most of the way for this are
Speaker 1: this episode. We're gonna go back and forth. It'll be
Speaker 1: very simple. Just guys we'd want to sign in free agency.
Speaker 1: Could be various reasons. Because you think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: the right time of his career, because you think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the right fit, because it's gonna be the
Speaker 1: right money. I will let you go because really I'm
Speaker 1: having you on just because I'm curious what your answers
Speaker 1: are going to be for this particular exercise. So start
Speaker 1: off with us a free agent you want to sign.
Speaker 5: My number one is my beloved zec ball. Depending on
Speaker 5: where Fred Warner's career goes next season, maybe the best
Speaker 5: all around linebacker in the NFL, and I get all
Speaker 5: the which is different system, different spot. Do you bet
Speaker 5: on one year production? One year? I'll put age profile
Speaker 5: having to pay that kind of money for guy who's
Speaker 5: only done it for one season, changing schemes if we
Speaker 5: go somewhere else. But if I was the Eagles, I
Speaker 5: wouldn't let him out of the building. And if I
Speaker 5: was another team, I would be doing anything I could
Speaker 5: to try and send him up.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have been influenced by your analysis and my eyeballs
Speaker 1: when it comes to Zach Bond and my strong stance
Speaker 1: that like, they're not going to let this guy leave.
Speaker 2: If they can't let this guy leave, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I know they haven't paid off ball linebackers in the past,
Speaker 1: but just watching their defense this year, other than Jalen
Speaker 1: Carter and certainly putting Cooper de gene in helped solidify
Speaker 1: the secondary.
Speaker 2: But he seemed like.
Speaker 1: The guy who kind of made it all work, and
Speaker 1: there's not really any reason why it can't continue to work.
Speaker 1: I know he didn't do much in New Orleans, but
Speaker 1: that's old news.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 1: Him in Philadelphia is something like you can see it
Speaker 1: with your eyes to kind of explain maybe to the
Speaker 1: listeners what you think he did for that Eagles defense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he kind of changed the whole front structure of
Speaker 5: the group where I essentially they were able to move
Speaker 5: them and walk them around. And usually when you get
Speaker 5: these kind of like defensive chess piece weapon ties, people
Speaker 5: talk about that all the time, right, particularly with the
Speaker 5: secondary guys or the safeties, and how we can put
Speaker 5: him in this spot and that spot, and it's just
Speaker 5: really difficult to do when you don't set the terms
Speaker 5: of engagement. You don't know what's coming out of the huddle, right,
Speaker 5: what the offensive formations are going to be, where guys
Speaker 5: are going to motion and shift to. So really with
Speaker 5: those kind of players, if it's not in the front
Speaker 5: in the pass rush where you can kind of set
Speaker 5: the protection in certain senses, where you put guys, you
Speaker 5: just want problem solvers, a guy who can move around
Speaker 5: to you and take as many problems off your plate
Speaker 5: as possible, where it's moving and shifting the formation in
Speaker 5: some sense, and we've borne they essentially put him into
Speaker 5: what's like a walking linebacker role where you play off
Speaker 5: the ball or you can walk down to the edge,
Speaker 5: and it's just really difficult to find one. We have
Speaker 5: like a linebacker crisis in the league. There's like six
Speaker 5: good ones. He's one of them. It's really difficult to
Speaker 5: find a guy who can play off the ball soundly,
Speaker 5: who can go down to the edge and a thumb
Speaker 5: in the wrong game, who can give you some pass
Speaker 5: frust sauce off the edge as well, and then truly
Speaker 5: who can drop from there into coverage to pick up
Speaker 5: all the crosses and all the things the league's trying
Speaker 5: to attack people with. And he's just the all around
Speaker 5: guy who can do that. To me, it's really similar
Speaker 5: to when Jamaine Prapp was with the Bengals. And I
Speaker 5: know no one cares about Jermaine Prep, but he was
Speaker 5: kind of the secret thoughts that made the Bengals defense
Speaker 5: go when they were making it to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 5: But he was never the kind of pass for sky
Speaker 5: or blitz the ball in is. So he really is
Speaker 5: in terms of coverage, fit in the run, and then
Speaker 5: just making plays on the ball, whether it's false footballs
Speaker 5: and deceptions. For where the league is at right now,
Speaker 5: if you want to run a defense somewhat akin to
Speaker 5: what Vic Fango is running, God what Vic's running in Philadelphia.
Speaker 5: Having that move piece you can play off the ball
Speaker 5: and on the end is like the number one gotta
Speaker 5: have thing. And he was just the best at it
Speaker 5: by far in the NFL A season.
Speaker 1: That's bold, and yet I buy it, like you just
Speaker 1: have the proof of concept and you say there's an
Speaker 1: off ball linebacker crisis, and I hear that. And yet
Speaker 1: that's the one one of the positions in free agency,
Speaker 1: which is pretty strong. At least there's five or six
Speaker 1: guys that you can make a case for. But Bonn
Speaker 1: is a top the list because of what he did.
Speaker 1: And I shouldn't be totally influenced by this, but I am.
Speaker 1: Did you happen to watch the miked up of the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Zach Bond at all? Like he's heavily
Speaker 1: featured in that, I have.
Speaker 5: Not seen that.
Speaker 1: I Well, first of all, I mean you you expect him,
Speaker 1: I guess, to kind of be a general and a
Speaker 1: leader of that defense, and he's just so fired up
Speaker 1: and all you can just see how much he takes
Speaker 1: command of that defense and how important he is just
Speaker 1: as a leader. And yet just the mental side of things,
Speaker 1: like after the Cooper dejen interception. He clocks that, hey,
Speaker 1: you saw me over there, and now now I'm forgetting
Speaker 1: the total details.
Speaker 2: And he's like, and you knew I basically.
Speaker 1: Had the flat covered and that there were two guys
Speaker 1: over there, so you just decided to do your own
Speaker 1: thing and peel off and watch them right And and
Speaker 1: the Gene was like, yeah, that's exactly. He's like, ah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a veteran shit, you know. And I was
Speaker 1: just like so impressed. He knew everything that was happening
Speaker 1: in the moment. And it's just such a perfect fit.
Speaker 5: It's truly impossible to overstate how much they change that defense.
Speaker 5: In like Week three, men when they crushed the Saints,
Speaker 5: the Saints we like housing everyone for two weeks. What
Speaker 5: a fun time. That was the completely defense because they
Speaker 5: moved Zack Boorne's position essentially, and it does completely transform
Speaker 5: into being the best defense quite comfortably in the league.
Speaker 5: And to have that kind of impact when you've been
Speaker 5: a special teams guy, a situational pass rushing where the
Speaker 5: Saints like there is no situation will let you rush
Speaker 5: the passer for some reason, become truly the best all
Speaker 5: around linebacker in the NFL last season, I thought he
Speaker 5: was the defensive player of the year, and he's available
Speaker 5: in freezy. The age concerns If you've got to pay
Speaker 5: big money for the twenty nine year old he's got
Speaker 5: one year production, it's a real concern. I can't imagine
Speaker 5: that someone like Mike Vrabel, who has all kinds of
Speaker 5: cash full, you know, fallen out of his park agency,
Speaker 5: wouldn't be tempted to go and give it a try
Speaker 5: as a kind of cultural reset, knowing you're snagging. As
Speaker 5: I said, I think there's maybe six seven difference making
Speaker 5: linebackers in the league right now, and he would be
Speaker 5: one of them.
Speaker 1: Sneaky old. I didn't realize that he's twenty eight. He
Speaker 1: will turn twenty nine at the very end of the
Speaker 1: upcoming season. But I didn't realize that it would be
Speaker 1: funny because I was thinking Vic Fangio teams out there,
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of who runs a similar defense.
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, he'd fit with the Saints. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they don't really, they're not going to welcome it back
Speaker 1: that that would be insane. They also don't have any
Speaker 1: cap space to sign Zach Bond. All right, I'll go
Speaker 1: next We got it, we'll pick it up. But I
Speaker 1: want to spend a lot of time about Zach Bond.
Speaker 1: He was high on my list. One that I would
Speaker 1: want is Charvarius Ward. He is a free agent this year.
Speaker 1: He's been in the NFL for seven years. He's about
Speaker 1: tenth on my total list, and he's coming off a
Speaker 1: bad year, which needs context. He lost to his young child,
Speaker 1: and that's the most horrible thing that you can imagine
Speaker 1: a person having to go through. And he talked about
Speaker 1: and he was away from the team, how much that
Speaker 1: affected him. And it was really a year long process
Speaker 1: of unfortunately after his daughter was born, dealing with that,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't there, and he says he needs to
Speaker 1: get out of California. And I do want to put
Speaker 1: that there because I think it adds a little context
Speaker 1: to that. He didn't look like himself this year. He
Speaker 1: was still like an NFL cornerback. He wasn't terrible, but
Speaker 1: he didn't look like himself. But then I think back
Speaker 1: to the last few years before that. In just twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three, led the NFL and pass breakups had five interceptions,
Speaker 1: was sixth in that category in terms of pass breakups
Speaker 1: in twenty two, like I was trying to think like
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of big Charvarius Ward moments
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and the Conference Championship and leading up,
Speaker 1: and I went back and looked its like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was never targeted. He got targeted once in those
Speaker 1: two games combines. And when I watch him, he always
Speaker 1: seems to know the coverage so well. An incredibly smart player,
Speaker 1: an incredibly tough player. There's that touchdown by MVS actually
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl where he's calling out to like
Speaker 1: the rest of his defense, he kind of knows they're
Speaker 1: in the wrong defense before it happens, he's not the
Speaker 1: one that's supposed to be covering it. And just a
Speaker 1: very heady player and the type of player I often
Speaker 1: look for in free agency, who's a really good player
Speaker 1: that's coming off a bad year, but he's still young
Speaker 1: enough that you believe he has a high level of
Speaker 1: play to him. And it's Charvarius Ward, who I think
Speaker 1: might be at a little bit of a diminished value
Speaker 1: because of the year that he just had, but it's
Speaker 1: just an awesome, excellent player, right A former undrafted free agent.
Speaker 1: I forgot what the Cowboys initially before the Chiefs picked
Speaker 1: him up, but he helped that Chiefs defense so much.
Speaker 2: He helped the forty nine ers. I think he'll help
Speaker 2: some team out there this year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you mentioned it. Intelligent, plays the ball in the
Speaker 5: air really well. I do just wonder what is the
Speaker 5: value going to be because I look through this cornerback
Speaker 5: class and I think you can go all the way
Speaker 5: down the list to your ending bari's and your hubbs,
Speaker 5: and there's some real great value to be at, particularly
Speaker 5: if you just want to have a true run around
Speaker 5: pressman corner all over the place. Do you want to
Speaker 5: go to that top of the market. It just feels
Speaker 5: like every year people get burned trying to pack at
Speaker 5: the hind of the market. I like him as a
Speaker 5: bi low candidate if you think that the money's going
Speaker 5: to be down that, but I imagine every team will
Speaker 5: be thinking along the same lines you are, and the
Speaker 5: once Biran Murphy goes, maybe DJ Reed goes. I think
Speaker 5: he's going to be the top of most people's lists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Carlton Davis I think might get more money than him,
Speaker 1: and then he'll be in that Asante Sammon Junior might
Speaker 1: get more money just because he's younger. We'll say you're right.
Speaker 1: I hope you're not right, you know, because then I'm
Speaker 1: just basic. Every team is thinking the way I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: But a debo.
Speaker 1: There's about seven eight guys who are more top of
Speaker 1: the cornerback market. I have a feeling he's not gonna
Speaker 1: get crazy big money. But I could be wrong, and
Speaker 1: maybe he'll have to settle for kind of a one
Speaker 1: or two year type of deal.
Speaker 2: All right, you give me someone else.
Speaker 5: Trayvon Morig. Okay, worry to fun player in all the football?
Speaker 5: I think the work in Man's Buddha Baker, the guy
Speaker 5: who plays all over the formation, plays behind the line
Speaker 5: of scrimmage, and absolutely heat seeking missile, hits everything that
Speaker 5: moves as hard as he physically can. And if we
Speaker 5: can get him, ideally to one of these teams, he
Speaker 5: wants to have fun. Who isn't boring and stale? Okay,
Speaker 5: get into Vans, Joseph Brian Flores, maybe buying them leaves
Speaker 5: the Vikings, and he's looking for a safety. You can
Speaker 5: do everything for him. Maybe even the Cardinals say, what
Speaker 5: if we had Moregan Baker together?
Speaker 2: What fun?
Speaker 5: Just that level of versatility playing all over the formation
Speaker 5: with that kind of fierceness. I want that guy on
Speaker 5: my team.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Trevon morrig who was I feel like it was
Speaker 1: pretty quiet the first couple of years of his career.
Speaker 1: And you are not the only one who gave me
Speaker 1: some feedback that I had moreg too low. Actually heard
Speaker 1: from someone inside the league that would have him much higher.
Speaker 1: I ended up settling on him between twenty and twenty five,
Speaker 1: and I probably should have had him higher because I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people agree with you. Ali, What
Speaker 1: did he improve on? Because you know he was in
Speaker 1: that last Mike Mayock class. Maybe a little quiet the
Speaker 1: first couple of years. I don't think much of America
Speaker 1: knows what Tron Morrigg's really been doing the last couple
Speaker 1: of years.
Speaker 5: What he's been doing is hitting everyone in the face
Speaker 5: as hard does humanly possible. Exciting. Doesn't that sound like
Speaker 5: a Mike Mayo play he would have draft? Yeah, because
Speaker 5: he is crazy explosive downhill. They use him essentially in
Speaker 5: the like pressure and blitz packages. They'll just sub the
Speaker 5: linebacker ound and put him in the kind of muddies
Speaker 5: up what's happening on the back end. But they get
Speaker 5: the same kind of umphuff the ball and he just
Speaker 5: makes so many plays behind the line of screamers that
Speaker 5: pass which she vanished off a cliff when Christian Wilkins
Speaker 5: went out when they lost Max Crosby, and they kind
Speaker 5: of hit on the solution off what have we just
Speaker 5: sent Trayvon every single time that we can, I think
Speaker 5: against the Chiefs, he blitzed like fifteen times an all
Speaker 5: from depth. Paul Guy had a cardio workout and still
Speaker 5: has the bigger body, can kind of match tight ends
Speaker 5: in man coverage for you. He is often lost and
Speaker 5: clueless when he's deep and off the ball. So if
Speaker 5: he goes to somewhere like Baltimore or something like that,
Speaker 5: we may be in trouble in terms of having blitzing
Speaker 5: attack mode type defense. He's the ideal fit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's weirdly a bunch of teams that don't have
Speaker 1: any safeties right now. The Jets don't have any safeties.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins actually would I think would be maybe a
Speaker 1: nice home for him.
Speaker 2: The Bengals could use him, but I don't know if
Speaker 2: Al Golden.
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about Al Golden to know if
Speaker 1: he's going to be that creative. It would be fun
Speaker 1: to see him in a Cardinals type defense where they
Speaker 1: totally unleash him.
Speaker 2: I like that one a lot. All Right, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's stay at off ball linebackers at least, I don't
Speaker 1: mind being risky. I want to go Drake green Law
Speaker 1: at this point in his career, Let's just get him
Speaker 1: on a one year like so many teams have so
Speaker 1: much cap space. If he's not going to sign a
Speaker 1: deal unless he gets a bunch of guaranteed money, just
Speaker 1: give him a ton in one year and see what happens.
Speaker 1: And I am inordinately affected by the like three quarters
Speaker 1: of football he played in twenty four because he's coming
Speaker 1: off a torn achilles stending.
Speaker 2: That's very worrisome.
Speaker 1: The fact that he reinjured it and it was a
Speaker 1: calf injury after that very worrisome. And Yet, if you're
Speaker 1: looking for a tone set or you're talking about more
Speaker 1: like Dray green Law in those three quarters made as
Speaker 1: many like monster hits and looked like the best linebacker
Speaker 1: in football for those three quarters as some linebackers hit
Speaker 1: all year. So I like taking a chance on him.
Speaker 1: You're a year more removed from the injury. Obviously, didn't
Speaker 1: play a lot last year, so you're not spending top
Speaker 1: of the market money like you would with Zach Bond
Speaker 1: or even with the Nick Bolton. I don't necessarily think
Speaker 1: green Law is going to get that kind of deal,
Speaker 1: but I think these are the types of chances that
Speaker 1: are okay to take in free agency if you have
Speaker 1: enough cap space and you're not doing a bunch of
Speaker 1: years on it, like add Drake Greenlaw to your defensive
Speaker 1: mix and just kind of see what happens.
Speaker 5: I like that if it's a team who is maybe
Speaker 5: trying to change the culture slightly, let's get some veterans
Speaker 5: in here who know where to be. I can see
Speaker 5: that intence you mentioned, the tone setting thing. He's he's
Speaker 5: he was pretty limited at the best of times. The
Speaker 5: ideal foiled to Fred Warner, but Warner was kind of
Speaker 5: the guy who's covering up all kinds of stuff in there, essentially,
Speaker 5: and every time they put someone next to Fred outside
Speaker 5: of the season, everyone looks pretty good. So Achilles injury,
Speaker 5: cough injury, I would be it's it's it's pretty risky,
Speaker 5: but if it's if it's a have everyone feel good
Speaker 5: when we go to training camp and we got some.
Speaker 1: Well, no, you could just say you don't like the pick.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're trying to dance around it here,
Speaker 1: you don't like it.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, I think he's a really good player.
Speaker 5: I just don't know of coming off an Achilles injury.
Speaker 5: If you're a team who needs the position filled, if
Speaker 5: you like the Books who are crying out, we got
Speaker 5: to get some linebackers in here. I'd be really worried
Speaker 5: if that pick was let's go for Drake Green law
Speaker 5: of a Jamin Show what uor something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, it is fair to point out there there are younger,
Speaker 1: safer options at the position. Ernest Jones is an interesting one.
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton is another one. Jamie and Sherwood. I think
Speaker 1: from the Jets is going to be a popular choice.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't mind taking a chance, all right,
Speaker 1: Go give me another one. Ali gon Afford Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was on my list too.
Speaker 5: The stoutest run stuffer we have in the league right now.
Speaker 5: I don't think the Chargers should let him anywhere out
Speaker 5: of the building, but I imagine some semblance of a
Speaker 5: bidding war. This is his best season by far in
Speaker 5: terms of giving you some kind of astrosh umph to
Speaker 5: go with the kind of early down run defense stuff. So,
Speaker 5: particularly where the league is at right now, with how
Speaker 5: many teams are trying to basically crowd up the line
Speaker 5: of scrimmage early in the down and distance, which is
Speaker 5: not where we were at even a couple of years ago.
Speaker 5: Teams are so split now with five men along the
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage to kick things off with a couple
Speaker 5: of deep safeties. Having someone who can at least be
Speaker 5: an effort guy in the play action world, that's the
Speaker 5: only thing you need from him is can you sit
Speaker 5: down in the gaps early on and hold up against
Speaker 5: the running Can you give us some effort and some
Speaker 5: push in the passing game? And he is to me
Speaker 5: is like as the Bowling Bowl body type where it's
Speaker 5: just like plunb that guy down seal off some gaps
Speaker 5: for us. He is he is right there at the
Speaker 5: top of the league based on less season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not have to have it, you know, as
Speaker 1: many down linemen like you mentioned. The only small concern
Speaker 1: I've always loved poona Ford want to mean a Kaimes's
Speaker 1: favorite players. You know, the Chargers had this magical way
Speaker 1: of taking these guys that I personally always thought were
Speaker 1: underrated and suddenly turning their careers around when they would
Speaker 1: just look like about over. Like there was like five
Speaker 1: of them last year. I Christian Fulton is another guy
Speaker 1: that's on my list. We might as well just mention
Speaker 1: him now. So Poona Ford is one Elijah Molden who
Speaker 1: they just re signed actually, but would have been a
Speaker 1: good free agent pickup for someone. Tierre Tart suddenly popped
Speaker 1: up on the Chargers and was pretty good, and then
Speaker 1: Poona Ford. So I don't know, is this there's some
Speaker 1: like magic Jesse Minter pixie dust that worked on Poona
Speaker 1: Ford that wouldn't translate elsewhere because he's coming off a
Speaker 1: season where he basically didn't get on the field much
Speaker 1: for the Bills and didn't get any money in free agency.
Speaker 5: That's true in Jesse Mint to maybe a. I think
Speaker 5: he's about as good as we have right now. But
Speaker 5: I also go one on one and embarrassed Joe Toney
Speaker 5: go one on one and embarrassed Chris Linstrom makes Caesar
Speaker 5: Orwiz have night mess.
Speaker 2: The rest of his life.
Speaker 5: So I get put on good competition. He was not dominant,
Speaker 5: but pretty damn good, and then he embarrassed lower level
Speaker 5: competition and that was all one on one, so I
Speaker 5: don't think it was necessarily just meant it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's also you know, you're playing with these
Speaker 1: other great players, you're playing for an organization that expects
Speaker 1: the best, and you raise your level. That's how I
Speaker 1: feel like I had to do today knowing Alli was
Speaker 1: coming on. So I actually went back and like watch
Speaker 1: some more Christian Fulton tape this year, and I was
Speaker 1: actually a little less impressed than I was hoping to
Speaker 1: be because there was like an eight game stretch with
Speaker 1: the Titans I always hold on to where it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: he really looked like a number one corner I feel
Speaker 1: like he's a little undervalued.
Speaker 2: Watching the Chargers.
Speaker 1: A little more at length, you know, he had some
Speaker 1: tough matchups over the years, like t Higgins gave it
Speaker 1: to him for most of that game. Competitive guy. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Christian Fulton? Maybe I'm not quite
Speaker 1: a sigh after going back in watching, but I do
Speaker 1: think he's a serviceable, solid cornerback that won't be at
Speaker 1: the top of the market.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a serviceable guy. It's more of a
Speaker 5: zone based system and it's a lot of deep drops
Speaker 5: and a lot of make sure Christian gets the depth
Speaker 5: and keeps his eyes in front of the ball. I
Speaker 5: think that you're okay there it is, you're playing more
Speaker 5: matched up and we've got more one or more responsibilities.
Speaker 5: That's when he gets into trouble. I mean all those
Speaker 5: charges corners, you go through them, the rookies, everything, Everyone
Speaker 5: had a good middle stretch of the season. They were
Speaker 5: doing so many unusual things coverage why Its kind of
Speaker 5: freaked everyone out, annoying to go, and it gamified some
Speaker 5: of the covered stats in particular side that back end
Speaker 5: would be the one where I'd be like, I don't
Speaker 5: want to be paying for Minta's work on the back end.
Speaker 5: The guys up front of the ones, I'd be comfortable
Speaker 5: giving Mac the deal for the deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting too.
Speaker 1: They valued Moulden or Molden maybe just didn't want to
Speaker 1: see what was behind door number two and got a deal.
Speaker 1: I don't think we mentioned that on this podcast. But
Speaker 1: a nice little slack corner. All right, give me your next.
Speaker 5: Pick, Brandon Shove.
Speaker 2: Okay, surprising.
Speaker 5: Have you seen the tackle market in this for aging class?
Speaker 2: I mean the offensive line in general, it's pretty rough.
Speaker 5: Yes, a disaster situation. All these teams need tackles, all
Speaker 5: these team needs guards. You go to the draft and
Speaker 5: there's probably gonna be four guards selected in the first
Speaker 5: round at this point because everyone just needs any lineman
Speaker 5: that can help out. Brandon Schurf last year under the
Speaker 5: radar because the Jags season completely fell apart. He was
Speaker 5: healthy this year for the first time in a long
Speaker 5: time where he's been able to get for a season.
Speaker 5: I think it'd be pretty cheap to get him out
Speaker 5: of there, and I know that the Bears have made
Speaker 5: a move for Jonah Jackson. But somewhere like Chicago where
Speaker 5: you can get a little bit more run centric, a
Speaker 5: really deep, vertical play action type game the way Ben
Speaker 5: Jonson wants to play. I thought by the middle part
Speaker 5: of last year he was playing at pretty much an
Speaker 5: All pro level compared to the press, probably on the thirteen.
Speaker 5: All Pro doesn't really have the juice anymore, can't really
Speaker 5: give you some of the fun pull Brandon's chef stuff
Speaker 5: we used to get, but just a one on one
Speaker 5: guy to enforce in the wrong game and then give
Speaker 5: you just enough in the passing game to hold up
Speaker 5: I think it's a probably going to be a pretty
Speaker 5: cheap low fly bet on that guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why I I love having you on
Speaker 1: because I think his uptick last year and he's managed
Speaker 1: to stay healthy the last few years for the Jaguars
Speaker 1: is pretty under the radar. And look he's getting up there.
Speaker 1: He's almost what is he thirty three to thirty four?
Speaker 1: He's actually the last guard. He's thirty three years old
Speaker 1: right now. To be taken in the top ten, right,
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a guard since him.
Speaker 5: Zach Martin went six.
Speaker 2: Right at the time, though they tried to tackle first.
Speaker 1: So a guy that you knew was going to be
Speaker 1: a guard, which I think Shurf was like that at
Speaker 1: the time. Maybe Will Campbell will be that guy for
Speaker 1: some team they honestly, he could get taken in the
Speaker 1: top ten and just put him at guard right away,
Speaker 1: depending on what team it is. I don't think that
Speaker 1: will happen, but that's possible. But that's interesting. Yeah, while
Speaker 1: we're here, we don't have to just stick to the
Speaker 1: same format the whole time if I don't want to, Like,
Speaker 1: are there, because I'm curious if there's any other takes
Speaker 1: you have on the guards that are available, Tevin Jenkins,
Speaker 1: you know, Makai Becton's going to be out there. Will
Speaker 1: Fries from from the cold, you know, Kevin Zeitler is
Speaker 1: coming off like a halfway decent year.
Speaker 2: Though that's like the top of the market.
Speaker 1: Maybe Patrick McCarry, who you move him back to guard,
Speaker 1: who is with the Ravens, But he was probably better
Speaker 1: at tackle when he was there, Like, is anyone getting
Speaker 1: you going out of this class?
Speaker 5: It's a time McCary I thought was pretty much a mess.
Speaker 5: James Daniels, I know again, he played really well in
Speaker 5: the short snaps were able to see if him. Fries
Speaker 5: is really really intelligent. If you could just pull away
Speaker 5: Fries and Kelly together, you would actually have a come
Speaker 5: with an offensive line off you're the Patriots, for instance,
Speaker 5: saying hey, Drake, may we need to get some adults
Speaker 5: around you. Pulling off the double deal would be something
Speaker 5: that'd be interested in if I was a team. They
Speaker 5: probably will miss from week six onwards for you and
Speaker 5: be with the medical team, but you'll feel really good
Speaker 5: for those first six weeks. But it's a pretty rough market.
Speaker 5: Even Tray Smith I thought that was a ludicrous thing
Speaker 5: to tag him at that price. I thought it was
Speaker 5: ludicrous the contracts being floated around for Tray Smith. So
Speaker 5: it's just a pretty ropey tackling god market.
Speaker 1: You thought Smith was worth it because when he got
Speaker 1: attacked a little bit that down the stretch there by
Speaker 1: the Chiefs a.
Speaker 5: Little bit is being very kind, Okay. I think it
Speaker 5: is a really talented player. I think that he flashes
Speaker 5: a lot in the wrong game, in the screen game,
Speaker 5: and we get the best screen coach in the NFL
Speaker 5: put in the really special talent out in space, and
Speaker 5: that stuff really pops and is good. He's just been
Speaker 5: inconsistent his entire career in pass pro. He don't pay
Speaker 5: someone over twenty million dollars a guard to be inconsistent
Speaker 5: in pass pro. And when they moved two Ney to
Speaker 5: left tackle, teams teed off on him. They set their
Speaker 5: entire pass first plan to attack a guy who's going
Speaker 5: to be the highest paid guard in the NFL, and
Speaker 5: he Folded gave up sixteen pressures in the final three
Speaker 5: games after Tony moved to left tackle. Once you take
Speaker 5: away the three of them together, Creed, Trey and Tony,
Speaker 5: Creed always helps the tray side and once you moved
Speaker 5: Tuny outside and they bought Caliendo and they started having
Speaker 5: Creed help towards Caliendos side, and so teams just teed
Speaker 5: off on Trey and it was a bit of a
Speaker 5: mas I just wouldn't I love the player of the talent.
Speaker 5: I get it, there's only so many cards in the NFL.
Speaker 5: He would probably still be in the top ten. But
Speaker 5: I thought it was a really inconsistent down year for
Speaker 5: play who's supposed to won the three or four best
Speaker 5: his position.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, don't let the dulcet tones distract you
Speaker 1: from Ali just you know, massacrering Tray Smith right there,
Speaker 1: just just an assassin. Let's let's stick on the chiefs.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Sean Wharton. I thought you might
Speaker 1: take him, maybe maybe he would be on your your
Speaker 1: list at some point, but he's definitely on my He
Speaker 1: just plays with a nastiness that is obvious when when
Speaker 1: you see him on the coaches film too, Like he's
Speaker 1: always that guy like yelling after a play and like
Speaker 1: screaming as he goes to the sideline, screaming at the opponent,
Speaker 1: screaming at his players. I like that there was that
Speaker 1: play in the Super Bowl, which you know is in
Speaker 1: my mind because because I was there that like, Tyler
Speaker 1: Stein came in for one play and then to shun
Speaker 1: Wharton like got past them with a great inside move
Speaker 1: and Stein like literally didn't touch him.
Speaker 2: It was the first place Stein was in.
Speaker 1: There was actually a bunch of plays where he flushed
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts out very quickly. He pushed Lannon Dickerson back
Speaker 1: on a couple of plays. Unfortunately, you know, Hurts got
Speaker 1: out and off and made the play. But really a
Speaker 1: great playoff run in general. There was a play at
Speaker 1: the goal line where he just plants Josh Allen into
Speaker 1: the ground. He walked back Titus Howard, I'm really thinking
Speaker 1: about the playoff run in general. But a young player
Speaker 1: a lot of moves for a guy who's two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty pounds, I just think plays with a lot
Speaker 1: of energy and fits a very rare, you know type
Speaker 1: in free agency, which is that he's young, he has
Speaker 1: enough experience but not too much experience. So a guy
Speaker 1: hopefully that's on the ascension at a position where guys
Speaker 1: continue to get really better and better at defensive tackle
Speaker 1: kind of in their fourth, fifth, sixth, year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of my favorite plays, one of the sneaky,
Speaker 5: dirtiest plays in the NFL. You mentioned this joint, and
Speaker 5: you don't really normally get the ascendant young guys who
Speaker 5: I think is actually attainable and gettable from the Chiefs.
Speaker 5: So I'm sure they'll make a good offer. And he
Speaker 5: was undrafted and has made no cash in his life,
Speaker 5: so you can go and probably get him for what
Speaker 5: would be an affoordable right. You may have to go
Speaker 5: a Milton Williams absolutely through the nose right to get
Speaker 5: him out of Philadelphia that it seems like he's gone,
Speaker 5: But they'll probably be a bidding war for Milton Williams.
Speaker 5: Whereas Wharton I think is the next band down that
Speaker 5: is not really that much for a drop off different
Speaker 5: style of player. One is much bigger, thicker, longer. Wharton
Speaker 5: is kind of the short, more explosive, light penetrating type
Speaker 5: upfield Russia. I actually think he gives you slightly more
Speaker 5: on the rundowns than even Williams does do at this
Speaker 5: stage in his career. So I would be really surprised
Speaker 5: that it wasn't like four or five teams really trying
Speaker 5: to get on Walterton.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ranked him too low. I mean you're saying
Speaker 1: there's not that huge of a gap. I mean, I
Speaker 1: love me some Milton Williams. He's on my list too.
Speaker 1: I'd certainly want to sign him. The price might get
Speaker 1: a little out of control. I should have had Wharton higher.
Speaker 1: Who do you got next?
Speaker 5: I have Nate Hobbs.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that makes me feel well because I've looked
Speaker 1: at some other lists out there they didn't even have
Speaker 1: Hobs on it, and I have had him pretty high.
Speaker 2: I like me some Nate Hobbs.
Speaker 5: Nate Hobbs is just a bumper and run follow someone
Speaker 5: everywhere they go, and you'll have three brain thoughts a
Speaker 5: game and we'll all get really frustrated. Star right, we'll
Speaker 5: get those ninety percent reps where he just gives all
Speaker 5: I think the injury concerns of but twenty six years old.
Speaker 5: You mentioned not in a lot of people's lists. I
Speaker 5: think people can get him really really cheap this season.
Speaker 5: And he's not a vestyle player. He does what he does,
Speaker 5: but for teams he want to be true man coverage
Speaker 5: teams again, the Jets who Arren Glenn going and trying
Speaker 5: to find some extra pieces, they can put the I
Speaker 5: think Hubbs would be a really good bug and pick up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that pick a lot.
Speaker 1: Similar age in terms of coming out of his rookie
Speaker 1: contract for me, as Levi Onwuzurique big risk in terms
Speaker 1: of his health that he could not stay on the
Speaker 1: field his first three years. You know, I listened to
Speaker 1: Lions podcasts and they talked about maybe it was a
Speaker 1: little bit of approach to professionalism and a little bit
Speaker 1: of injury, the combination of the two, and Dan Campbell
Speaker 1: started talking him up kind of going into his third
Speaker 1: year he didn't quite stay healthy, that he's really had
Speaker 1: an epiphany in terms of how he's going to approach
Speaker 1: being a pro, and then had a really good year.
Speaker 1: I thought, from my eyes in his fourth year, like
Speaker 1: a lot of pressures sneaky high on the QB hits
Speaker 1: list if you just search by all defensive tackles own Wizourique.
Speaker 1: Is there just a big dude in a league that
Speaker 1: needs more big dudes. So you're hoping that the improvement
Speaker 1: that he made in terms of taking care of his
Speaker 1: body carries over.
Speaker 2: The Lions can't pay everyone.
Speaker 1: I think they'd like to keep him if they could,
Speaker 1: But he's kind of a similar type to me. Is
Speaker 1: there's only so many young guys coming off a good year.
Speaker 1: And again I keep mentioning with the defensive tackles, but
Speaker 1: it is a position where it does seem to take
Speaker 1: about three years to get used to being in the pros.
Speaker 1: And right now he is playing his best ball that
Speaker 1: we've seen by a good amount.
Speaker 5: He definitely is. It does terrify me when you say
Speaker 5: the guy got himself into shape and cat when he
Speaker 5: was a contract season. I hadn't thought about That makes me.
Speaker 5: It makes me pretty worried that the light only just
Speaker 5: went on. So if there's going to be a batting war,
Speaker 5: I think I would look elsewhere. I think the defensive line.
Speaker 5: Klus Hay is really deep in the defensive line. Glass
Speaker 5: in the draft is outreached deep. So I think it's
Speaker 5: it's gonna probably suppress this middle band of the market.
Speaker 5: I would have thought. So if you can get him
Speaker 5: on a decent contract, he would probably just return to
Speaker 5: the Lions and you end up just trying to outpit
Speaker 5: the Lions for not a huge needle mover. He's one
Speaker 5: of the all time, Like arrived to high five everyone
Speaker 5: that the quarterback wasn't late. But then he just turns
Speaker 5: up in high fives. Everyone says, good job. If there's
Speaker 5: a guy he doesn't have that level of impact and
Speaker 5: he only got you know, himself in shape for the
Speaker 5: contract year, that would.
Speaker 2: Make me a bit concern that that is a little
Speaker 2: a little concern.
Speaker 1: I think Gambell started talking off a little bit going
Speaker 1: into the third year that he was turned in the corner,
Speaker 1: but then he didn't stay healthy. And then let's do
Speaker 1: a bunch of names quickly here at the end, I
Speaker 1: kind of speed around any other fun ones that are
Speaker 1: out there. I noticed none of it. We didn't pick
Speaker 1: any receivers. I didn't have any receivers in my list.
Speaker 5: I really like Nick Westbrook, Aikine. You know there was
Speaker 5: Westbrookikinny and Josh Parlimer. If you're looking for some kind
Speaker 5: of down the field juice, essentially, I think Akine has
Speaker 5: real gas and I could see him sliding to the Chiefs.
Speaker 5: And then we get to third and forever against the
Speaker 5: Bills in January again and he goes west Brokakinni behind
Speaker 5: the secondary and mahomes fine. If you're looking for a
Speaker 5: cheap a fly down the Field. I think that's the guy.
Speaker 1: You like him more than Darius Slayton or Marquise Brown
Speaker 1: or Dammy Brown or just because of the value.
Speaker 5: Because of the value, Jammy Brown probably the one ahead
Speaker 5: of him. But other than that, I think i'd been
Speaker 5: on Westbrookakine with the age and the speed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was doing this exercise, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like Stefan Diggs, but he's coming off a major
Speaker 1: injury and.
Speaker 2: God God, when of course you like Godwin.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna get to the open market,
Speaker 1: but he's coming off a serious injury. And I do
Speaker 1: remember the last time he was coming off when it
Speaker 1: took a while to get going there. There's other names
Speaker 1: like Elijah Moore out there. One name I threw out
Speaker 1: there was and this is just I have a hard
Speaker 1: time quitting him. Is like Mike Williams. Mike Williams and
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport would fall into the category of like, you're
Speaker 1: not the dumb team that paid him last year. Okay,
Speaker 1: so if you're gonna do this, actually they're a year
Speaker 1: you know healthier. In theory, Davenport comes up with like
Speaker 1: a new way to get hurt every but this is
Speaker 1: the their value is going to be so depressed that
Speaker 1: it really is truly just a flyer. Do they have
Speaker 1: anything left in their career? Would it shock me if
Speaker 1: Mike Williams is a better version of himself this year
Speaker 1: and helps you out as a third or fourth and
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport helps you out with four hundred and five
Speaker 1: hundred snaps for like two or three million, it would
Speaker 1: not surprise me, because these guys, Yeah, they were pretty
Speaker 1: talented in their in their peaks, they were pretty good.
Speaker 5: William I mean, Williams never have that any evolution to
Speaker 5: his game as he agescy. If you'll the Ravens all
Speaker 5: someone who's a contender things, could we steal this guy
Speaker 5: pretty cheap and we we least get certainty and what
Speaker 5: the player is. I like that for the contenders, for
Speaker 5: the Bills and the Ravens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to be like a fourth receiver. I'll
Speaker 1: throw out my my final just sort of speed round guys.
Speaker 2: Third round.
Speaker 1: But you know, you don't usually pick up third down
Speaker 1: backs and free agency, but like if Ty Johnson or
Speaker 1: Kenny gain Will only costs you like two or three
Speaker 1: million dollars, just like Okay, let's settle that position. Those
Speaker 1: are two good players. It's like one last thing that
Speaker 1: you have to work about, worry about. And then of
Speaker 1: all the backups, I always rank Jameis Winston too high,
Speaker 1: and I stand by that, but it's actually I wouldn't
Speaker 1: hate getting Jimmy g as my backup this year.
Speaker 2: I feel like he's a pretty good backup.
Speaker 5: Are you sure?
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's that Week eighteen game against Seattle
Speaker 1: where you got you saw the McVeigh sprinkle on him
Speaker 1: and the fact that they were sneaky. Okay, I think
Speaker 1: with going into this year with Jimmy Garoppolo and a rookie,
Speaker 1: if they didn't keep Stafford, I was like, okay, maybe
Speaker 1: like a Garoppolo that's had a couple of years to
Speaker 1: just be healthy as your backup. Can he come in
Speaker 1: for three or four games? I'm okay with that, but
Speaker 1: maybe you're not.
Speaker 5: I would know. I would just draft to guys that
Speaker 5: guy in Canada who's playing. I just take two guys
Speaker 5: to draft and hope to the best. Let me throw
Speaker 5: a couple more aways. I think josh Ucca well the
Speaker 5: stringest freeze AND's available last season for the Patriots of
Speaker 5: the year before I should say, unbelievable production off the edge.
Speaker 5: Then he basically isn't interested in play this season. He
Speaker 5: gets traded to the Chiefs. I really thought you would
Speaker 5: have a serious third down impact for them in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: Just one of those. It's flashing up on. Collinsworth is
Speaker 5: losing his mind, like how did they get this guy?
Speaker 5: Where's he come from? And just nothing happened. I'm sat
Speaker 5: there thinking, would I rather a Hassam Reddick fifty million
Speaker 5: dollars or take josh uj for three million dollars and
Speaker 5: see if there really is the player from the Patriots
Speaker 5: two years ago in there.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a little worry Simmy could just not get
Speaker 1: on the field for the Chiefs and not like shocking
Speaker 1: he couldn't get on the field for the Patriots a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on there.
Speaker 5: It is peculiar. Noah Enigbari, the corner for the Commanders,
Speaker 5: I think is going to be hidden lost corner in
Speaker 5: the free aging class. He is consistently lost on the
Speaker 5: field all the time, which I know sounds concerning, but
Speaker 5: they do run some pretty complex stuff. He looks confused there.
Speaker 5: But if you just again have a true man to
Speaker 5: man corner. If you're a man heavy system like Nate Hobbs,
Speaker 5: I think that he is a good cheap pick up there.
Speaker 5: Then Baron Browning with the Cardinals. He gets traded to
Speaker 5: the Cardinals out.
Speaker 2: Of no way.
Speaker 5: He's having an unbelievable year off the edge. You look
Speaker 5: at some of the pressure rate and pass fish win rate,
Speaker 5: Stuffie's right there with Miles gowert and the very best
Speaker 5: in the league. I don't think that's necessarily true of
Speaker 5: the play he is, but he has real, real juice
Speaker 5: off the edge. So I think I'd probably rather do
Speaker 5: the Uch Browning pair and see who's healthy he wants
Speaker 5: to play football than I would sign maybe some of
Speaker 5: the top guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Red be out of a job.
Speaker 5: I'd lose my mortgage. I would I would run a franchise.
Speaker 1: I mean spending money on Hassan Reddick or whoever. It
Speaker 1: would be, even a Josh Sweat who's gonna be reliable
Speaker 1: but probably overpaid. That that traditionally hasn't worked that well
Speaker 1: in free agency. Redicks a fascinating case that people just
Speaker 1: throw out that year not. I can't believe we made
Speaker 1: it through this whole thing without mentioning Kaisier White. I
Speaker 1: feel like it's the north Star for both of us.
Speaker 5: We've lost cells now if anything.
Speaker 1: I know there's there's too many off ball linebackers available.
Speaker 2: There's too many names. But I'm glad we got through.
Speaker 1: Like there's the big names on top of the market,
Speaker 1: we had a couple of those. Oh I forgot one
Speaker 1: of my favorite ones. I'm throwing them in. It's Malcolm Koons.
Speaker 1: I know he's coming off of torn acl which is
Speaker 1: pretty major, but man, that last eight games of the
Speaker 1: season that he had for the Raiders, the way he
Speaker 1: like dipped around the edge. It was against really good
Speaker 1: players too. It is like against Rashwan Slater and some
Speaker 1: really good that he just made look silly. So that's
Speaker 1: that's a young pass rusher. In theory, he got injured
Speaker 1: so early last year he missed the whole season that
Speaker 1: he's had some time to get ready. That's one where
Speaker 1: I always think injured players, like, why not sign them
Speaker 1: for like a two year deal. It's going to be
Speaker 1: cheaper than other teams and give a shot for a
Speaker 1: pretty young, good pass rusher Malcolm Coons.
Speaker 2: I'm ending with.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I moved on that one as well, structure the contract
Speaker 5: the way you do the two year deal. You mess
Speaker 5: around with the numbers however you want. If it hits,
Speaker 5: you've got a cheap guy for the second season. I'm
Speaker 5: all on that. One of all true dip and rip
Speaker 5: pass for shatists, which guys don't really win that way
Speaker 5: in the league that much anymore. They used to get
Speaker 5: shame rate out of the league. You kind of have
Speaker 5: to play with more power. It's funny though, as we
Speaker 5: went through the list, I've well, together, we have three
Speaker 5: guys that have young raiders, guys for you that we
Speaker 5: defensively though. I really like Patrick Graham, so I wonder
Speaker 5: if they just try and retain them all if they
Speaker 5: truly hit the market.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I asked John Spytech about that very thing last last
Speaker 1: week at the Combine, say you know, on our show,
Speaker 1: and he didn't really have a strong answer for that
Speaker 1: other than you know, those are good players.
Speaker 2: There are some good play he said, some which I clocked.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, there's some good ones, and we do
Speaker 1: want to keep those, so we'll see.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I just remember you have a look in his eye
Speaker 5: that said I have to ask Tommy before I get
Speaker 5: back to you.
Speaker 1: No. He in fact said the words, I don't just
Speaker 1: have this job because I'm friends with Tom, and he
Speaker 1: pointed out, and I was glad. I asked this, like
Speaker 1: did you even know Tom Brady in college? And his
Speaker 1: answer was essentially now now it's like I was like,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, he was like college teammates, he'
Speaker 1: his buddies, Like, I don't think he even knew him.
Speaker 1: He was on the he was on the freshman's scout
Speaker 1: team and Tom Brady was, you know, playing against Alabama
Speaker 1: as the senior quarterback. He said Tom was cool. He
Speaker 1: would like sit with all the freshmen every once in
Speaker 1: a while. But that's like one guy at a table
Speaker 1: of twenty. So he was full to point out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he didn't even know Tom Brady back then, but Malcolm Coons,
Speaker 1: that's a name to know. I just remember he wore
Speaker 1: Garrett Bowls out a couple of years ago. So that's
Speaker 1: when I like freegency just a couple of days away.
Speaker 1: You guys are very draft focused right now. In terms
Speaker 1: of your podcast, are you going to do any free
Speaker 1: agency coverage with with John? We gotta have John back
Speaker 1: on the show too.
Speaker 5: We will do two long freegency breakdowns, probably Rogan levels
Speaker 5: of analysis on why Jaman Shilwood going to a team
Speaker 5: really mates them. By November, I'll feel silly, but yeah,
Speaker 5: well we'll hit the freeency.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is strange to hear Ollie talking at normal
Speaker 1: speed because I have to admit I do crank it
Speaker 1: up to one point five because because of what you said,
Speaker 1: the Rogan levels of just like twenty minutes on a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle.
Speaker 2: I love it, but just just speed it up.
Speaker 1: Ali one of the best to do it fun breaking
Speaker 1: down the free agents with you. That's it for this show.
Speaker 1: This has been a packed week, but we are not
Speaker 1: done yet. We still have a couple of visions to
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