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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Daily, where we would never request

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Speaker 1: a trade out at a Chris Westling podcast studio.

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Speaker 2: I'm here talking about a lot of news.

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Speaker 1: It's happening, Patrick Claybond, We're doing it.

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Speaker 3: We're doing it.

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Speaker 4: And I love that there's a distinction between requesting a

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Speaker 4: trade because that's that's when it. You know, people report

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Speaker 4: to somebody who requests the trade, and then there's the

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Speaker 4: secondary somebody has formally requested yes trade, which I always

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Speaker 4: wonder is that does that involve papyrus?

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Speaker 2: Hmmm?

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Speaker 3: Is there a quill in this process? But I love it.

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Speaker 3: I love it no.

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Speaker 1: Matter what, just like someone delivering a handwritten letter I

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Speaker 1: would I would.

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Speaker 3: Have is are you John Schneider, Yes, you're served.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Spoiler alert it's DK Metcalf talk at the top of

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Speaker 1: this podcast. So I'm here with Patrick, and when I'm

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Speaker 1: saying like we're doing it, it's happening. The free agency frenzy,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it starts earlier and earlier every year,

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Speaker 1: it started to bubble up more. Tuesday was a pretty

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Speaker 1: busy day. Wednesday we got even more news, including this

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Speaker 1: DK Metcalf trade request, which was not a shock but

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Speaker 1: a surprise. I would say that it's out there in

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Speaker 1: the sense that the Seahawks seem very open to it,

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Speaker 1: and we'll get into that in a second. And then

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Speaker 1: later in the show, we're going to listen to myself

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Speaker 1: and Allie Connolly, one of the best minds in the business,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to go through the free agency list

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Speaker 1: and we're just got to talk about guys we'd want

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Speaker 1: on our team, guys that we would want to sign.

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Speaker 4: So it's a pack show, and it's ahead of all

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Speaker 4: of this, ahead of the frenzy, to get everybody a

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Speaker 4: chance to evaluate as long as again, you have a

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Speaker 4: representative to call and discuss with teams, because if you

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Speaker 4: want to do it yourself, that's tampering hm hmm, and

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Speaker 4: that's bad. So players, we're sorry, op at fans and

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Speaker 4: you know, people who have representation, this is the podcast.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point you that it is a little

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Speaker 1: a favorite to the people that then have the agency.

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Speaker 1: Early I have been having to update my top one

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Speaker 1: oh one. Now DK Metcalf is not going to be there,

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Speaker 1: but one of his teammates might be Tyler Lockett. Let's

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Speaker 1: start though with the DK Metcalf news. But I wanted

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Speaker 1: to mention that the Seahawks are releasing Tyler Lockett because

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Speaker 1: I think these things can be talked about in tandem,

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Speaker 1: because suddenly, if they're both not on the team, that's

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Speaker 1: a totally different Seahawks offense. So the DK Metcalff trade

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Speaker 1: request report comes in. He reportedly prefers to be dealt

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Speaker 1: to a contending team, which who amongst us would not.

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Speaker 1: The compelling part of it is a that it's so

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Speaker 1: formal and at B that the Seahawks are letting him

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Speaker 1: explore those options. Let's start with just do you think

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Speaker 1: this deal ends up happening?

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Speaker 4: Well, the letting explore thing, I truly think we've seen

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Speaker 4: it right with Matthew Stafford, where there already is a

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Speaker 4: relationship and you're able to go out and determine what

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Speaker 4: your value is, what the circumstances can and so much

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Speaker 3: They get tagged as.

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Speaker 4: Mercurial or whatever and DK plays wide receiver and the

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Speaker 4: conversation is about is this person happy? Well, it gives

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Speaker 4: them a chance to say, what's the market, what could

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Speaker 4: these particular situations be, and if the situation is better

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Speaker 4: it at least gives him an opportunity to get that information,

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Speaker 1: Right and similar to Stafford, but not quite the same.

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Speaker 1: The contract is a big part of it. So DK

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Speaker 1: has eighteen million dollars in base salary this season, which is,

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Speaker 1: you know, a good bargain, a four million dollar option bonus.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot of teams could use a.

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Speaker 1: And as I've been mentioning on the show, there's a

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Speaker 1: DK metcalf in who stuck out to you which teams

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Speaker 4: Well, there's we've discussed right the Green Bay Packers and

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Speaker 1: There's been reports that that those conversations have already happened,

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Speaker 4: And again the teams with space and with the need

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Speaker 4: thinking about the Indianapolis Colts with their thirty four million

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Speaker 3: Playing primarily on the outside and being a big.

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Speaker 4: everybody if they have the money to do it, to

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Speaker 1: Broncos wouldn't make sense. And yet they didn't even make

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll's there certainly could use a wide receiver. Dave

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Speaker 1: Tyreek swap? I mean, the options are endless. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to answer my own question from before. I didn't tend

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I don't think it's getting

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Speaker 1: I don't like the idea from the Seahawks perspective.

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Speaker 4: Now, from the seahawkspective perspective, it doesn't necessarily make a

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Speaker 4: it that this third contract is not coming from Seattle,

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Speaker 4: and so DK has an opportunity to see where is

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Speaker 4: that third contract coming from, or is it better to

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Speaker 4: play this year in Seattle and then try to procure

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Speaker 4: that contract.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so but you get rid of DK and

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Speaker 1: you cut Tyler Lockett, Like.

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Speaker 3: Within an hour we found out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, essentially the Seahawks were receiving core non JSN.

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Speaker 1: Shake, you know, shout out to Tyler Lockett. One of

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Speaker 1: the best, you know, team runs of the last decade,

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Speaker 1: just kind of the classic Seahawks fans know how much

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Speaker 1: he meant to them in a way that maybe the

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Speaker 1: national media didn't. You arrive there in twenty fifteen immediately

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Speaker 1: as a contributor, always one of the more underrated players.

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Speaker 1: I think eventually people caught up to what a great

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Speaker 2: Didn't put him in the top one on one. Should

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Speaker 2: I feel bad about that? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you should feel bad about it.

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Speaker 4: In terms of like evaluating age being a factor. The

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Speaker 4: with the ascension of Jackson Smith and Jigbo where, you know,

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: He's a guy who almost immediately goes down after catching

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Speaker 1: why Tyler Lockett, who people thought was too undersized to play,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, if they trade Dcalf DK Metcalf, it's Jake

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Speaker 4: DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett and Jaxona's within Jigbo.

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Speaker 1: a lot to watch there. I'm curious where Lockett will go.

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Speaker 2: Who knows if he knew this was coming or not.

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Speaker 1: unprecedented amount of cap space. I would like the research

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Speaker 1: group to go back and check because over half has

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Speaker 1: at least forty six million dollars.

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Speaker 2: It's too much money.

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Speaker 1: Now, it's not too much money, but I'm curious how

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Speaker 1: they're all going to find ways to spend.

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Speaker 4: It when when half the league has fifty seven million dollars.

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Speaker 4: Perhaps that's a good time to tell your team that

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Speaker 4: you would like to seek options regarding the trade.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's a very good point.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of teams that can make this

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Speaker 1: thing happen with other teams players and their own players.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but I do

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Speaker 1: what to mention. As a preface, Olli Connelly and I

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Speaker 1: talked about guys we would want to sign in free agency.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason I wanted Ali Connelly on the

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Speaker 1: podcast was because he had Zach Bond as his defensive

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Speaker 1: Player of the Year. I thought he spoke and wrote

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Speaker 1: very eloquently about how and why Zach Bond was so

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Speaker 1: important to the Eagles defense. Was really the lynchpin brought

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Speaker 1: it all together that Vic Fangio was not going to

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Speaker 1: let this guy leave the building. That informed my own analysis,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to hear it, you know, straight from

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Speaker 1: the horse's mouth. We tape that before Zach Bond signed

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Speaker 1: a three year deal for fifty one million dollars with

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Speaker 1: thirty four guaranteed. He is the fourth highest paid off

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Speaker 1: ball linebacker in the league. Hell, I think that Eagles

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Speaker 1: got a pretty good deal considering how great he was,

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Speaker 1: but I understand him wanting to stay in Philadelphia where

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Speaker 1: he was so productive. And what a come up, what

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Speaker 1: a story of development. Zach Bond has been going from

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Speaker 1: an afterthought in New Orleans to one of the best

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Speaker 1: off ball linebackers league. I wanted to leave the start

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Speaker 1: of the segment, we said free agents we wanted to sign,

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Speaker 1: and the first one that came out of all his

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Speaker 1: mouth was Zach Bond. So that is going to start

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Speaker 1: our conversation which will start after the break, and I

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Speaker 1: think that part of it will inform you to the

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Speaker 1: reason why Zach Bond is worth all that cheddar. Thank

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Speaker 1: you Patrick for your contributions to today's program, but you'll

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Speaker 1: be back.

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Speaker 2: Later this week.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Greg Here with Ali Connolly, one of my favorite guests.

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Speaker 1: You know him, you love him from podcasts such as

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Speaker 1: what If Kirk Cousins doesn't work out? We look pretty

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Speaker 1: smart on that one. He looks like Kirk Cousins. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he is the author of the Read Optional and the

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Speaker 1: host of the Reader Optional podcast with John Ledyard Olly Connolly,

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Speaker 1: welcome back.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 1: Are you you're in on the Boston Red Sox now

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Speaker 1: again they spent some money.

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Speaker 2: You're wearing a hat for our YouTube listeners.

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Speaker 5: I am hortiously putting my toe back in. I still

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Speaker 5: do not trust John Henry, who owns the team, my

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Speaker 5: football team. The football team is top of the league,

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Speaker 5: so I will give mister Henry maybe one less chance.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, they did have a lot of success

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Speaker 1: since since John Henry took over the Red Sox and

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Speaker 1: hopefully for you for your football slash soccer team as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, free agencies coming up.

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Speaker 1: And we've been talking about, you know, looking at it

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Speaker 1: from a team by team perspective, but I hadn't really

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Speaker 1: gone through my top one oh one and beyond and

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Speaker 1: just talked about the guys like I would want the

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Speaker 1: guys that I think would be great to sign in

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Speaker 1: free agency. So we're going to keep this pretty simple.

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Speaker 1: Alis is one of my favorite football minds out there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how our listeners delivered. I told them

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Speaker 1: last time. Subscribe to the read optional. That's the one

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Speaker 1: thing you can do to support us is to support

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Speaker 1: our guests here. So I imploy you to do that

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Speaker 1: because they have some great content and some great podcasts.

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Speaker 1: You know, previewing the draft in great depth, an incredible

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Speaker 1: amount of depth, Ollie, before we get that, I want

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Speaker 1: you to bring that sort of depth, maybe not all

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Speaker 1: the way, but most of the way for this are

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Speaker 1: this episode. We're gonna go back and forth. It'll be

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Speaker 1: very simple. Just guys we'd want to sign in free agency.

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Speaker 1: Could be various reasons. Because you think it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the right time of his career, because you think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the right fit, because it's gonna be the

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Speaker 1: right money. I will let you go because really I'm

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Speaker 1: having you on just because I'm curious what your answers

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Speaker 1: are going to be for this particular exercise. So start

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Speaker 1: off with us a free agent you want to sign.

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Speaker 5: My number one is my beloved zec ball. Depending on

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Speaker 5: where Fred Warner's career goes next season, maybe the best

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Speaker 5: all around linebacker in the NFL, and I get all

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Speaker 5: the which is different system, different spot. Do you bet

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Speaker 5: on one year production? One year? I'll put age profile

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Speaker 5: having to pay that kind of money for guy who's

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Speaker 5: only done it for one season, changing schemes if we

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Speaker 5: go somewhere else. But if I was the Eagles, I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't let him out of the building. And if I

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Speaker 5: was another team, I would be doing anything I could

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Speaker 5: to try and send him up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I have been influenced by your analysis and my eyeballs

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Speaker 1: when it comes to Zach Bond and my strong stance

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Speaker 1: that like, they're not going to let this guy leave.

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Speaker 2: If they can't let this guy leave, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I know they haven't paid off ball linebackers in the past,

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Speaker 1: but just watching their defense this year, other than Jalen

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Speaker 1: Carter and certainly putting Cooper de gene in helped solidify

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Speaker 1: the secondary.

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Speaker 2: But he seemed like.

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Speaker 1: The guy who kind of made it all work, and

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Speaker 1: there's not really any reason why it can't continue to work.

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Speaker 1: I know he didn't do much in New Orleans, but

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Speaker 1: that's old news.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Him in Philadelphia is something like you can see it

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Speaker 1: with your eyes to kind of explain maybe to the

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Speaker 1: listeners what you think he did for that Eagles defense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he kind of changed the whole front structure of

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Speaker 5: the group where I essentially they were able to move

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Speaker 5: them and walk them around. And usually when you get

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Speaker 5: these kind of like defensive chess piece weapon ties, people

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Speaker 5: talk about that all the time, right, particularly with the

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Speaker 5: secondary guys or the safeties, and how we can put

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Speaker 5: him in this spot and that spot, and it's just

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Speaker 5: really difficult to do when you don't set the terms

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Speaker 5: of engagement. You don't know what's coming out of the huddle, right,

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Speaker 5: what the offensive formations are going to be, where guys

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Speaker 5: are going to motion and shift to. So really with

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Speaker 5: those kind of players, if it's not in the front

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Speaker 5: in the pass rush where you can kind of set

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Speaker 5: the protection in certain senses, where you put guys, you

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Speaker 5: just want problem solvers, a guy who can move around

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Speaker 5: to you and take as many problems off your plate

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Speaker 5: as possible, where it's moving and shifting the formation in

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Speaker 5: some sense, and we've borne they essentially put him into

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Speaker 5: what's like a walking linebacker role where you play off

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Speaker 5: the ball or you can walk down to the edge,

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Speaker 5: and it's just really difficult to find one. We have

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Speaker 5: like a linebacker crisis in the league. There's like six

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Speaker 5: good ones. He's one of them. It's really difficult to

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Speaker 5: find a guy who can play off the ball soundly,

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Speaker 5: who can go down to the edge and a thumb

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Speaker 5: in the wrong game, who can give you some pass

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Speaker 5: frust sauce off the edge as well, and then truly

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Speaker 5: who can drop from there into coverage to pick up

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Speaker 5: all the crosses and all the things the league's trying

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Speaker 5: to attack people with. And he's just the all around

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Speaker 5: guy who can do that. To me, it's really similar

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Speaker 5: to when Jamaine Prapp was with the Bengals. And I

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Speaker 5: know no one cares about Jermaine Prep, but he was

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Speaker 5: kind of the secret thoughts that made the Bengals defense

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Speaker 5: go when they were making it to the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: But he was never the kind of pass for sky

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Speaker 5: or blitz the ball in is. So he really is

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Speaker 5: in terms of coverage, fit in the run, and then

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Speaker 5: just making plays on the ball, whether it's false footballs

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Speaker 5: and deceptions. For where the league is at right now,

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Speaker 5: if you want to run a defense somewhat akin to

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Speaker 5: what Vic Fango is running, God what Vic's running in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 5: Having that move piece you can play off the ball

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Speaker 5: and on the end is like the number one gotta

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Speaker 5: have thing. And he was just the best at it

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Speaker 5: by far in the NFL A season.

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Speaker 1: That's bold, and yet I buy it, like you just

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Speaker 1: have the proof of concept and you say there's an

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Speaker 1: off ball linebacker crisis, and I hear that. And yet

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Speaker 1: that's the one one of the positions in free agency,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty strong. At least there's five or six

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Speaker 1: guys that you can make a case for. But Bonn

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Speaker 1: is a top the list because of what he did.

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Speaker 1: And I shouldn't be totally influenced by this, but I am.

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Speaker 1: Did you happen to watch the miked up of the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl with Zach Bond at all? Like he's heavily

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Speaker 1: featured in that, I have.

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Speaker 5: Not seen that.

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Speaker 1: I Well, first of all, I mean you you expect him,

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Speaker 1: I guess, to kind of be a general and a

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Speaker 1: leader of that defense, and he's just so fired up

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Speaker 1: and all you can just see how much he takes

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Speaker 1: command of that defense and how important he is just

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Speaker 1: as a leader. And yet just the mental side of things,

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Speaker 1: like after the Cooper dejen interception. He clocks that, hey,

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Speaker 1: you saw me over there, and now now I'm forgetting

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Speaker 1: the total details.

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Speaker 2: And he's like, and you knew I basically.

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Speaker 1: Had the flat covered and that there were two guys

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Speaker 1: over there, so you just decided to do your own

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Speaker 1: thing and peel off and watch them right And and

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Speaker 1: the Gene was like, yeah, that's exactly. He's like, ah,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a veteran shit, you know. And I was

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Speaker 1: just like so impressed. He knew everything that was happening

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Speaker 1: in the moment. And it's just such a perfect fit.

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Speaker 5: It's truly impossible to overstate how much they change that defense.

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Speaker 5: In like Week three, men when they crushed the Saints,

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Speaker 5: the Saints we like housing everyone for two weeks. What

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Speaker 5: a fun time. That was the completely defense because they

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Speaker 5: moved Zack Boorne's position essentially, and it does completely transform

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Speaker 5: into being the best defense quite comfortably in the league.

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Speaker 5: And to have that kind of impact when you've been

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Speaker 5: a special teams guy, a situational pass rushing where the

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Speaker 5: Saints like there is no situation will let you rush

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Speaker 5: the passer for some reason, become truly the best all

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Speaker 5: around linebacker in the NFL last season, I thought he

639
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Speaker 5: was the defensive player of the year, and he's available

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Speaker 5: in freezy. The age concerns If you've got to pay

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Speaker 5: big money for the twenty nine year old he's got

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Speaker 5: one year production, it's a real concern. I can't imagine

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Speaker 5: that someone like Mike Vrabel, who has all kinds of

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Speaker 5: cash full, you know, fallen out of his park agency,

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Speaker 5: wouldn't be tempted to go and give it a try

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Speaker 5: as a kind of cultural reset, knowing you're snagging. As

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Speaker 5: I said, I think there's maybe six seven difference making

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Speaker 5: linebackers in the league right now, and he would be

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Speaker 5: one of them.

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Speaker 1: Sneaky old. I didn't realize that he's twenty eight. He

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Speaker 1: will turn twenty nine at the very end of the

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Speaker 1: upcoming season. But I didn't realize that it would be

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Speaker 1: funny because I was thinking Vic Fangio teams out there,

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Speaker 1: you know, in terms of who runs a similar defense.

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Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, he'd fit with the Saints. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: they don't really, they're not going to welcome it back

657
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: that that would be insane. They also don't have any

658
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: cap space to sign Zach Bond. All right, I'll go

659
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: next We got it, we'll pick it up. But I

660
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: want to spend a lot of time about Zach Bond.

661
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: He was high on my list. One that I would

662
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: want is Charvarius Ward. He is a free agent this year.

663
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: He's been in the NFL for seven years. He's about

664
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: tenth on my total list, and he's coming off a

665
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: bad year, which needs context. He lost to his young child,

666
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: and that's the most horrible thing that you can imagine

667
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: a person having to go through. And he talked about

668
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: and he was away from the team, how much that

669
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: affected him. And it was really a year long process

670
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: of unfortunately after his daughter was born, dealing with that,

671
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: and he wasn't there, and he says he needs to

672
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: get out of California. And I do want to put

673
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: that there because I think it adds a little context

674
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: to that. He didn't look like himself this year. He

675
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: was still like an NFL cornerback. He wasn't terrible, but

676
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: he didn't look like himself. But then I think back

677
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: to the last few years before that. In just twenty

678
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: twenty three, led the NFL and pass breakups had five interceptions,

679
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: was sixth in that category in terms of pass breakups

680
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: in twenty two, like I was trying to think like

681
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,719
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of big Charvarius Ward moments

682
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl and the Conference Championship and leading up,

683
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: and I went back and looked its like, well, yeah,

684
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: he was never targeted. He got targeted once in those

685
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: two games combines. And when I watch him, he always

686
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: seems to know the coverage so well. An incredibly smart player,

687
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: an incredibly tough player. There's that touchdown by MVS actually

688
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl where he's calling out to like

689
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: the rest of his defense, he kind of knows they're

690
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: in the wrong defense before it happens, he's not the

691
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: one that's supposed to be covering it. And just a

692
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: very heady player and the type of player I often

693
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: look for in free agency, who's a really good player

694
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: that's coming off a bad year, but he's still young

695
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: enough that you believe he has a high level of

696
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: play to him. And it's Charvarius Ward, who I think

697
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: might be at a little bit of a diminished value

698
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: because of the year that he just had, but it's

699
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: just an awesome, excellent player, right A former undrafted free agent.

700
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: I forgot what the Cowboys initially before the Chiefs picked

701
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: him up, but he helped that Chiefs defense so much.

702
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 2: He helped the forty nine ers. I think he'll help

703
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: some team out there this year.

704
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you mentioned it. Intelligent, plays the ball in the

705
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 5: air really well. I do just wonder what is the

706
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 5: value going to be because I look through this cornerback

707
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 5: class and I think you can go all the way

708
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 5: down the list to your ending bari's and your hubbs,

709
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 5: and there's some real great value to be at, particularly

710
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 5: if you just want to have a true run around

711
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 5: pressman corner all over the place. Do you want to

712
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 5: go to that top of the market. It just feels

713
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 5: like every year people get burned trying to pack at

714
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 5: the hind of the market. I like him as a

715
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 5: bi low candidate if you think that the money's going

716
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 5: to be down that, but I imagine every team will

717
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 5: be thinking along the same lines you are, and the

718
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 5: once Biran Murphy goes, maybe DJ Reed goes. I think

719
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 5: he's going to be the top of most people's lists.

720
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Carlton Davis I think might get more money than him,

721
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: and then he'll be in that Asante Sammon Junior might

722
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: get more money just because he's younger. We'll say you're right.

723
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: I hope you're not right, you know, because then I'm

724
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: just basic. Every team is thinking the way I'm thinking.

725
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: But a debo.

726
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: There's about seven eight guys who are more top of

727
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: the cornerback market. I have a feeling he's not gonna

728
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: get crazy big money. But I could be wrong, and

729
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: maybe he'll have to settle for kind of a one

730
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: or two year type of deal.

731
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 2: All right, you give me someone else.

732
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 5: Trayvon Morig. Okay, worry to fun player in all the football?

733
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 5: I think the work in Man's Buddha Baker, the guy

734
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 5: who plays all over the formation, plays behind the line

735
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 5: of scrimmage, and absolutely heat seeking missile, hits everything that

736
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 5: moves as hard as he physically can. And if we

737
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: can get him, ideally to one of these teams, he

738
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 5: wants to have fun. Who isn't boring and stale? Okay,

739
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 5: get into Vans, Joseph Brian Flores, maybe buying them leaves

740
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 5: the Vikings, and he's looking for a safety. You can

741
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 5: do everything for him. Maybe even the Cardinals say, what

742
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 5: if we had Moregan Baker together?

743
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: What fun?

744
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 5: Just that level of versatility playing all over the formation

745
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 5: with that kind of fierceness. I want that guy on

746
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 5: my team.

747
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

748
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: So Trevon morrig who was I feel like it was

749
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: pretty quiet the first couple of years of his career.

750
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: And you are not the only one who gave me

751
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: some feedback that I had moreg too low. Actually heard

752
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: from someone inside the league that would have him much higher.

753
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: I ended up settling on him between twenty and twenty five,

754
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: and I probably should have had him higher because I

755
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: think a lot of people agree with you. Ali, What

756
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: did he improve on? Because you know he was in

757
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: that last Mike Mayock class. Maybe a little quiet the

758
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: first couple of years. I don't think much of America

759
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: knows what Tron Morrigg's really been doing the last couple

760
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: of years.

761
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,479
Speaker 5: What he's been doing is hitting everyone in the face

762
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 5: as hard does humanly possible. Exciting. Doesn't that sound like

763
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 5: a Mike Mayo play he would have draft? Yeah, because

764
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 5: he is crazy explosive downhill. They use him essentially in

765
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 5: the like pressure and blitz packages. They'll just sub the

766
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 5: linebacker ound and put him in the kind of muddies

767
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 5: up what's happening on the back end. But they get

768
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 5: the same kind of umphuff the ball and he just

769
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 5: makes so many plays behind the line of screamers that

770
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 5: pass which she vanished off a cliff when Christian Wilkins

771
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 5: went out when they lost Max Crosby, and they kind

772
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 5: of hit on the solution off what have we just

773
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 5: sent Trayvon every single time that we can, I think

774
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 5: against the Chiefs, he blitzed like fifteen times an all

775
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 5: from depth. Paul Guy had a cardio workout and still

776
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 5: has the bigger body, can kind of match tight ends

777
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 5: in man coverage for you. He is often lost and

778
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 5: clueless when he's deep and off the ball. So if

779
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 5: he goes to somewhere like Baltimore or something like that,

780
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 5: we may be in trouble in terms of having blitzing

781
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 5: attack mode type defense. He's the ideal fit.

782
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's weirdly a bunch of teams that don't have

783
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: any safeties right now. The Jets don't have any safeties.

784
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: The Dolphins actually would I think would be maybe a

785
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: nice home for him.

786
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: The Bengals could use him, but I don't know if

787
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: Al Golden.

788
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about Al Golden to know if

789
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: he's going to be that creative. It would be fun

790
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: to see him in a Cardinals type defense where they

791
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: totally unleash him.

792
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: I like that one a lot. All Right, I'm gonna go.

793
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: Let's go.

794
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: Let's stay at off ball linebackers at least, I don't

795
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,439
Speaker 1: mind being risky. I want to go Drake green Law

796
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: at this point in his career, Let's just get him

797
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: on a one year like so many teams have so

798
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 1: much cap space. If he's not going to sign a

799
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: deal unless he gets a bunch of guaranteed money, just

800
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: give him a ton in one year and see what happens.

801
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: And I am inordinately affected by the like three quarters

802
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 1: of football he played in twenty four because he's coming

803
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 1: off a torn achilles stending.

804
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 2: That's very worrisome.

805
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: The fact that he reinjured it and it was a

806
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: calf injury after that very worrisome. And Yet, if you're

807
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 1: looking for a tone set or you're talking about more

808
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: like Dray green Law in those three quarters made as

809
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: many like monster hits and looked like the best linebacker

810
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: in football for those three quarters as some linebackers hit

811
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: all year. So I like taking a chance on him.

812
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: You're a year more removed from the injury. Obviously, didn't

813
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: play a lot last year, so you're not spending top

814
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: of the market money like you would with Zach Bond

815
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: or even with the Nick Bolton. I don't necessarily think

816
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: green Law is going to get that kind of deal,

817
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: but I think these are the types of chances that

818
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: are okay to take in free agency if you have

819
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: enough cap space and you're not doing a bunch of

820
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 1: years on it, like add Drake Greenlaw to your defensive

821
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: mix and just kind of see what happens.

822
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 5: I like that if it's a team who is maybe

823
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 5: trying to change the culture slightly, let's get some veterans

824
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,919
Speaker 5: in here who know where to be. I can see

825
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 5: that intence you mentioned, the tone setting thing. He's he's

826
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 5: he was pretty limited at the best of times. The

827
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 5: ideal foiled to Fred Warner, but Warner was kind of

828
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 5: the guy who's covering up all kinds of stuff in there, essentially,

829
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 5: and every time they put someone next to Fred outside

830
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 5: of the season, everyone looks pretty good. So Achilles injury,

831
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 5: cough injury, I would be it's it's it's pretty risky,

832
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 5: but if it's if it's a have everyone feel good

833
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 5: when we go to training camp and we got some.

834
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: Well, no, you could just say you don't like the pick.

835
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're trying to dance around it here,

836
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: you don't like it.

837
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 5: I know, I know, I think he's a really good player.

838
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 5: I just don't know of coming off an Achilles injury.

839
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 5: If you're a team who needs the position filled, if

840
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 5: you like the Books who are crying out, we got

841
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 5: to get some linebackers in here. I'd be really worried

842
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 5: if that pick was let's go for Drake Green law

843
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 5: of a Jamin Show what uor something like that.

844
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Okay, it is fair to point out there there are younger,

845
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: safer options at the position. Ernest Jones is an interesting one.

846
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: Nick Bolton is another one. Jamie and Sherwood. I think

847
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: from the Jets is going to be a popular choice.

848
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,879
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't mind taking a chance, all right,

849
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 1: Go give me another one. Ali gon Afford Okay, yeah,

850
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: he was on my list too.

851
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 5: The stoutest run stuffer we have in the league right now.

852
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 5: I don't think the Chargers should let him anywhere out

853
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 5: of the building, but I imagine some semblance of a

854
00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 5: bidding war. This is his best season by far in

855
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 5: terms of giving you some kind of astrosh umph to

856
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 5: go with the kind of early down run defense stuff. So,

857
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 5: particularly where the league is at right now, with how

858
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 5: many teams are trying to basically crowd up the line

859
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 5: of scrimmage early in the down and distance, which is

860
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 5: not where we were at even a couple of years ago.

861
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 5: Teams are so split now with five men along the

862
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 5: line of scrimmage to kick things off with a couple

863
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 5: of deep safeties. Having someone who can at least be

864
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 5: an effort guy in the play action world, that's the

865
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 5: only thing you need from him is can you sit

866
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,399
Speaker 5: down in the gaps early on and hold up against

867
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 5: the running Can you give us some effort and some

868
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 5: push in the passing game? And he is to me

869
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 5: is like as the Bowling Bowl body type where it's

870
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 5: just like plunb that guy down seal off some gaps

871
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 5: for us. He is he is right there at the

872
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,479
Speaker 5: top of the league based on less season.

873
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and not have to have it, you know, as

874
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: many down linemen like you mentioned. The only small concern

875
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: I've always loved poona Ford want to mean a Kaimes's

876
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: favorite players. You know, the Chargers had this magical way

877
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: of taking these guys that I personally always thought were

878
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: underrated and suddenly turning their careers around when they would

879
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: just look like about over. Like there was like five

880
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: of them last year. I Christian Fulton is another guy

881
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: that's on my list. We might as well just mention

882
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: him now. So Poona Ford is one Elijah Molden who

883
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: they just re signed actually, but would have been a

884
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: good free agent pickup for someone. Tierre Tart suddenly popped

885
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: up on the Chargers and was pretty good, and then

886
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 1: Poona Ford. So I don't know, is this there's some

887
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: like magic Jesse Minter pixie dust that worked on Poona

888
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: Ford that wouldn't translate elsewhere because he's coming off a

889
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: season where he basically didn't get on the field much

890
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: for the Bills and didn't get any money in free agency.

891
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 5: That's true in Jesse Mint to maybe a. I think

892
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 5: he's about as good as we have right now. But

893
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 5: I also go one on one and embarrassed Joe Toney

894
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 5: go one on one and embarrassed Chris Linstrom makes Caesar

895
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 5: Orwiz have night mess.

896
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 2: The rest of his life.

897
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 5: So I get put on good competition. He was not dominant,

898
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 5: but pretty damn good, and then he embarrassed lower level

899
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 5: competition and that was all one on one, so I

900
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 5: don't think it was necessarily just meant it.

901
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's also you know, you're playing with these

902
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: other great players, you're playing for an organization that expects

903
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: the best, and you raise your level. That's how I

904
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: feel like I had to do today knowing Alli was

905
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: coming on. So I actually went back and like watch

906
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: some more Christian Fulton tape this year, and I was

907
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: actually a little less impressed than I was hoping to

908
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: be because there was like an eight game stretch with

909
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: the Titans I always hold on to where it's like, wow,

910
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: he really looked like a number one corner I feel

911
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: like he's a little undervalued.

912
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: Watching the Chargers.

913
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: A little more at length, you know, he had some

914
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: tough matchups over the years, like t Higgins gave it

915
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: to him for most of that game. Competitive guy. What

916
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Christian Fulton? Maybe I'm not quite

917
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: a sigh after going back in watching, but I do

918
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: think he's a serviceable, solid cornerback that won't be at

919
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: the top of the market.

920
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a serviceable guy. It's more of a

921
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 5: zone based system and it's a lot of deep drops

922
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 5: and a lot of make sure Christian gets the depth

923
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 5: and keeps his eyes in front of the ball. I

924
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 5: think that you're okay there it is, you're playing more

925
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 5: matched up and we've got more one or more responsibilities.

926
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 5: That's when he gets into trouble. I mean all those

927
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 5: charges corners, you go through them, the rookies, everything, Everyone

928
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 5: had a good middle stretch of the season. They were

929
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 5: doing so many unusual things coverage why Its kind of

930
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 5: freaked everyone out, annoying to go, and it gamified some

931
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 5: of the covered stats in particular side that back end

932
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 5: would be the one where I'd be like, I don't

933
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 5: want to be paying for Minta's work on the back end.

934
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: The guys up front of the ones, I'd be comfortable

935
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 5: giving Mac the deal for the deal.

936
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting too.

937
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: They valued Moulden or Molden maybe just didn't want to

938
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: see what was behind door number two and got a deal.

939
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: I don't think we mentioned that on this podcast. But

940
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: a nice little slack corner. All right, give me your next.

941
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 5: Pick, Brandon Shove.

942
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: Okay, surprising.

943
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: Have you seen the tackle market in this for aging class?

944
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 2: I mean the offensive line in general, it's pretty rough.

945
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 5: Yes, a disaster situation. All these teams need tackles, all

946
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 5: these team needs guards. You go to the draft and

947
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 5: there's probably gonna be four guards selected in the first

948
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 5: round at this point because everyone just needs any lineman

949
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 5: that can help out. Brandon Schurf last year under the

950
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 5: radar because the Jags season completely fell apart. He was

951
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 5: healthy this year for the first time in a long

952
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 5: time where he's been able to get for a season.

953
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 5: I think it'd be pretty cheap to get him out

954
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: of there, and I know that the Bears have made

955
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 5: a move for Jonah Jackson. But somewhere like Chicago where

956
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 5: you can get a little bit more run centric, a

957
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 5: really deep, vertical play action type game the way Ben

958
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,399
Speaker 5: Jonson wants to play. I thought by the middle part

959
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 5: of last year he was playing at pretty much an

960
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 5: All pro level compared to the press, probably on the thirteen.

961
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: All Pro doesn't really have the juice anymore, can't really

962
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 5: give you some of the fun pull Brandon's chef stuff

963
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 5: we used to get, but just a one on one

964
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 5: guy to enforce in the wrong game and then give

965
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 5: you just enough in the passing game to hold up

966
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 5: I think it's a probably going to be a pretty

967
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 5: cheap low fly bet on that guy.

968
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is why I I love having you on

969
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:05,320
Speaker 1: because I think his uptick last year and he's managed

970
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: to stay healthy the last few years for the Jaguars

971
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: is pretty under the radar. And look he's getting up there.

972
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 1: He's almost what is he thirty three to thirty four?

973
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: He's actually the last guard. He's thirty three years old

974
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: right now. To be taken in the top ten, right,

975
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: there hasn't been a guard since him.

976
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 5: Zach Martin went six.

977
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 2: Right at the time, though they tried to tackle first.

978
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: So a guy that you knew was going to be

979
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: a guard, which I think Shurf was like that at

980
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: the time. Maybe Will Campbell will be that guy for

981
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: some team they honestly, he could get taken in the

982
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: top ten and just put him at guard right away,

983
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: depending on what team it is. I don't think that

984
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: will happen, but that's possible. But that's interesting. Yeah, while

985
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: we're here, we don't have to just stick to the

986
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: same format the whole time if I don't want to, Like,

987
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: are there, because I'm curious if there's any other takes

988
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: you have on the guards that are available, Tevin Jenkins,

989
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, Makai Becton's going to be out there. Will

990
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: Fries from from the cold, you know, Kevin Zeitler is

991
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: coming off like a halfway decent year.

992
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: Though that's like the top of the market.

993
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: Maybe Patrick McCarry, who you move him back to guard,

994
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: who is with the Ravens, But he was probably better

995
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: at tackle when he was there, Like, is anyone getting

996
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: you going out of this class?

997
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 5: It's a time McCary I thought was pretty much a mess.

998
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 5: James Daniels, I know again, he played really well in

999
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 5: the short snaps were able to see if him. Fries

1000
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 5: is really really intelligent. If you could just pull away

1001
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 5: Fries and Kelly together, you would actually have a come

1002
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 5: with an offensive line off you're the Patriots, for instance,

1003
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 5: saying hey, Drake, may we need to get some adults

1004
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 5: around you. Pulling off the double deal would be something

1005
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 5: that'd be interested in if I was a team. They

1006
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 5: probably will miss from week six onwards for you and

1007
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 5: be with the medical team, but you'll feel really good

1008
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 5: for those first six weeks. But it's a pretty rough market.

1009
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 5: Even Tray Smith I thought that was a ludicrous thing

1010
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 5: to tag him at that price. I thought it was

1011
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 5: ludicrous the contracts being floated around for Tray Smith. So

1012
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 5: it's just a pretty ropey tackling god market.

1013
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: You thought Smith was worth it because when he got

1014
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: attacked a little bit that down the stretch there by

1015
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: the Chiefs a.

1016
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 5: Little bit is being very kind, Okay. I think it

1017
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 5: is a really talented player. I think that he flashes

1018
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 5: a lot in the wrong game, in the screen game,

1019
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 5: and we get the best screen coach in the NFL

1020
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 5: put in the really special talent out in space, and

1021
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 5: that stuff really pops and is good. He's just been

1022
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 5: inconsistent his entire career in pass pro. He don't pay

1023
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 5: someone over twenty million dollars a guard to be inconsistent

1024
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 5: in pass pro. And when they moved two Ney to

1025
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 5: left tackle, teams teed off on him. They set their

1026
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 5: entire pass first plan to attack a guy who's going

1027
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 5: to be the highest paid guard in the NFL, and

1028
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 5: he Folded gave up sixteen pressures in the final three

1029
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 5: games after Tony moved to left tackle. Once you take

1030
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 5: away the three of them together, Creed, Trey and Tony,

1031
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 5: Creed always helps the tray side and once you moved

1032
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 5: Tuny outside and they bought Caliendo and they started having

1033
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,919
Speaker 5: Creed help towards Caliendos side, and so teams just teed

1034
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 5: off on Trey and it was a bit of a

1035
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 5: mas I just wouldn't I love the player of the talent.

1036
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 5: I get it, there's only so many cards in the NFL.

1037
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 5: He would probably still be in the top ten. But

1038
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 5: I thought it was a really inconsistent down year for

1039
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 5: play who's supposed to won the three or four best

1040
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 5: his position.

1041
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, don't let the dulcet tones distract you

1042
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: from Ali just you know, massacrering Tray Smith right there,

1043
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 1: just just an assassin. Let's let's stick on the chiefs.

1044
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Sean Wharton. I thought you might

1045
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 1: take him, maybe maybe he would be on your your

1046
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: list at some point, but he's definitely on my He

1047
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: just plays with a nastiness that is obvious when when

1048
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: you see him on the coaches film too, Like he's

1049
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: always that guy like yelling after a play and like

1050
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: screaming as he goes to the sideline, screaming at the opponent,

1051
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: screaming at his players. I like that there was that

1052
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: play in the Super Bowl, which you know is in

1053
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: my mind because because I was there that like, Tyler

1054
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: Stein came in for one play and then to shun

1055
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: Wharton like got past them with a great inside move

1056
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: and Stein like literally didn't touch him.

1057
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: It was the first place Stein was in.

1058
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: There was actually a bunch of plays where he flushed

1059
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts out very quickly. He pushed Lannon Dickerson back

1060
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: on a couple of plays. Unfortunately, you know, Hurts got

1061
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: out and off and made the play. But really a

1062
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: great playoff run in general. There was a play at

1063
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,959
Speaker 1: the goal line where he just plants Josh Allen into

1064
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: the ground. He walked back Titus Howard, I'm really thinking

1065
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: about the playoff run in general. But a young player

1066
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: a lot of moves for a guy who's two hundred

1067
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: and eighty pounds, I just think plays with a lot

1068
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: of energy and fits a very rare, you know type

1069
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 1: in free agency, which is that he's young, he has

1070
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: enough experience but not too much experience. So a guy

1071
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: hopefully that's on the ascension at a position where guys

1072
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: continue to get really better and better at defensive tackle

1073
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 1: kind of in their fourth, fifth, sixth, year.

1074
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of my favorite plays, one of the sneaky,

1075
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 5: dirtiest plays in the NFL. You mentioned this joint, and

1076
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 5: you don't really normally get the ascendant young guys who

1077
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 5: I think is actually attainable and gettable from the Chiefs.

1078
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 5: So I'm sure they'll make a good offer. And he

1079
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 5: was undrafted and has made no cash in his life,

1080
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 5: so you can go and probably get him for what

1081
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 5: would be an affoordable right. You may have to go

1082
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 5: a Milton Williams absolutely through the nose right to get

1083
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 5: him out of Philadelphia that it seems like he's gone,

1084
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 5: But they'll probably be a bidding war for Milton Williams.

1085
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 5: Whereas Wharton I think is the next band down that

1086
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 5: is not really that much for a drop off different

1087
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 5: style of player. One is much bigger, thicker, longer. Wharton

1088
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 5: is kind of the short, more explosive, light penetrating type

1089
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 5: upfield Russia. I actually think he gives you slightly more

1090
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 5: on the rundowns than even Williams does do at this

1091
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 5: stage in his career. So I would be really surprised

1092
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 5: that it wasn't like four or five teams really trying

1093
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 5: to get on Walterton.

1094
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I ranked him too low. I mean you're saying

1095
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: there's not that huge of a gap. I mean, I

1096
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: love me some Milton Williams. He's on my list too.

1097
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: I'd certainly want to sign him. The price might get

1098
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 1: a little out of control. I should have had Wharton higher.

1099
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 1: Who do you got next?

1100
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:40,720
Speaker 5: I have Nate Hobbs.

1101
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that makes me feel well because I've looked

1102
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: at some other lists out there they didn't even have

1103
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: Hobs on it, and I have had him pretty high.

1104
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: I like me some Nate Hobbs.

1105
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 5: Nate Hobbs is just a bumper and run follow someone

1106
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 5: everywhere they go, and you'll have three brain thoughts a

1107
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 5: game and we'll all get really frustrated. Star right, we'll

1108
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 5: get those ninety percent reps where he just gives all

1109
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 5: I think the injury concerns of but twenty six years old.

1110
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 5: You mentioned not in a lot of people's lists. I

1111
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 5: think people can get him really really cheap this season.

1112
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 5: And he's not a vestyle player. He does what he does,

1113
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 5: but for teams he want to be true man coverage

1114
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 5: teams again, the Jets who Arren Glenn going and trying

1115
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 5: to find some extra pieces, they can put the I

1116
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 5: think Hubbs would be a really good bug and pick up.

1117
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that pick a lot.

1118
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: Similar age in terms of coming out of his rookie

1119
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,959
Speaker 1: contract for me, as Levi Onwuzurique big risk in terms

1120
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: of his health that he could not stay on the

1121
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: field his first three years. You know, I listened to

1122
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: Lions podcasts and they talked about maybe it was a

1123
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: little bit of approach to professionalism and a little bit

1124
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: of injury, the combination of the two, and Dan Campbell

1125
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: started talking him up kind of going into his third

1126
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: year he didn't quite stay healthy, that he's really had

1127
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: an epiphany in terms of how he's going to approach

1128
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 1: being a pro, and then had a really good year.

1129
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: I thought, from my eyes in his fourth year, like

1130
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: a lot of pressures sneaky high on the QB hits

1131
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: list if you just search by all defensive tackles own Wizourique.

1132
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: Is there just a big dude in a league that

1133
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 1: needs more big dudes. So you're hoping that the improvement

1134
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: that he made in terms of taking care of his

1135
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 1: body carries over.

1136
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: The Lions can't pay everyone.

1137
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: I think they'd like to keep him if they could,

1138
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: But he's kind of a similar type to me. Is

1139
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: there's only so many young guys coming off a good year.

1140
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: And again I keep mentioning with the defensive tackles, but

1141
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: it is a position where it does seem to take

1142
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: about three years to get used to being in the pros.

1143
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: And right now he is playing his best ball that

1144
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: we've seen by a good amount.

1145
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 5: He definitely is. It does terrify me when you say

1146
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 5: the guy got himself into shape and cat when he

1147
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 5: was a contract season. I hadn't thought about That makes me.

1148
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 5: It makes me pretty worried that the light only just

1149
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 5: went on. So if there's going to be a batting war,

1150
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 5: I think I would look elsewhere. I think the defensive line.

1151
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 5: Klus Hay is really deep in the defensive line. Glass

1152
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 5: in the draft is outreached deep. So I think it's

1153
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 5: it's gonna probably suppress this middle band of the market.

1154
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 5: I would have thought. So if you can get him

1155
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 5: on a decent contract, he would probably just return to

1156
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 5: the Lions and you end up just trying to outpit

1157
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 5: the Lions for not a huge needle mover. He's one

1158
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 5: of the all time, Like arrived to high five everyone

1159
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,959
Speaker 5: that the quarterback wasn't late. But then he just turns

1160
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 5: up in high fives. Everyone says, good job. If there's

1161
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 5: a guy he doesn't have that level of impact and

1162
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 5: he only got you know, himself in shape for the

1163
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 5: contract year, that would.

1164
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 2: Make me a bit concern that that is a little

1165
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: a little concern.

1166
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: I think Gambell started talking off a little bit going

1167
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,479
Speaker 1: into the third year that he was turned in the corner,

1168
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: but then he didn't stay healthy. And then let's do

1169
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of names quickly here at the end, I

1170
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: kind of speed around any other fun ones that are

1171
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: out there. I noticed none of it. We didn't pick

1172
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 1: any receivers. I didn't have any receivers in my list.

1173
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 5: I really like Nick Westbrook, Aikine. You know there was

1174
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 5: Westbrookikinny and Josh Parlimer. If you're looking for some kind

1175
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 5: of down the field juice, essentially, I think Akine has

1176
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 5: real gas and I could see him sliding to the Chiefs.

1177
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 5: And then we get to third and forever against the

1178
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 5: Bills in January again and he goes west Brokakinni behind

1179
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 5: the secondary and mahomes fine. If you're looking for a

1180
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 5: cheap a fly down the Field. I think that's the guy.

1181
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: You like him more than Darius Slayton or Marquise Brown

1182
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 1: or Dammy Brown or just because of the value.

1183
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 5: Because of the value, Jammy Brown probably the one ahead

1184
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 5: of him. But other than that, I think i'd been

1185
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 5: on Westbrookakine with the age and the speed.

1186
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was doing this exercise, it's like, yeah,

1187
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: I like Stefan Diggs, but he's coming off a major

1188
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: injury and.

1189
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 2: God God, when of course you like Godwin.

1190
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna get to the open market,

1191
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: but he's coming off a serious injury. And I do

1192
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: remember the last time he was coming off when it

1193
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: took a while to get going there. There's other names

1194
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: like Elijah Moore out there. One name I threw out

1195
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,560
Speaker 1: there was and this is just I have a hard

1196
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: time quitting him. Is like Mike Williams. Mike Williams and

1197
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport would fall into the category of like, you're

1198
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 1: not the dumb team that paid him last year. Okay,

1199
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: so if you're gonna do this, actually they're a year

1200
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: you know healthier. In theory, Davenport comes up with like

1201
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: a new way to get hurt every but this is

1202
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 1: the their value is going to be so depressed that

1203
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: it really is truly just a flyer. Do they have

1204
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: anything left in their career? Would it shock me if

1205
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: Mike Williams is a better version of himself this year

1206
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: and helps you out as a third or fourth and

1207
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport helps you out with four hundred and five

1208
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 1: hundred snaps for like two or three million, it would

1209
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: not surprise me, because these guys, Yeah, they were pretty

1210
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: talented in their in their peaks, they were pretty good.

1211
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 5: William I mean, Williams never have that any evolution to

1212
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 5: his game as he agescy. If you'll the Ravens all

1213
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 5: someone who's a contender things, could we steal this guy

1214
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 5: pretty cheap and we we least get certainty and what

1215
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 5: the player is. I like that for the contenders, for

1216
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 5: the Bills and the Ravens.

1217
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going to be like a fourth receiver. I'll

1218
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: throw out my my final just sort of speed round guys.

1219
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: Third round.

1220
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 1: But you know, you don't usually pick up third down

1221
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: backs and free agency, but like if Ty Johnson or

1222
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: Kenny gain Will only costs you like two or three

1223
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: million dollars, just like Okay, let's settle that position. Those

1224
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: are two good players. It's like one last thing that

1225
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: you have to work about, worry about. And then of

1226
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: all the backups, I always rank Jameis Winston too high,

1227
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: and I stand by that, but it's actually I wouldn't

1228
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 1: hate getting Jimmy g as my backup this year.

1229
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 2: I feel like he's a pretty good backup.

1230
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 5: Are you sure?

1231
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's that Week eighteen game against Seattle

1232
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: where you got you saw the McVeigh sprinkle on him

1233
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: and the fact that they were sneaky. Okay, I think

1234
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,959
Speaker 1: with going into this year with Jimmy Garoppolo and a rookie,

1235
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,360
Speaker 1: if they didn't keep Stafford, I was like, okay, maybe

1236
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: like a Garoppolo that's had a couple of years to

1237
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: just be healthy as your backup. Can he come in

1238
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: for three or four games? I'm okay with that, but

1239
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:37,799
Speaker 1: maybe you're not.

1240
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 5: I would know. I would just draft to guys that

1241
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 5: guy in Canada who's playing. I just take two guys

1242
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 5: to draft and hope to the best. Let me throw

1243
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 5: a couple more aways. I think josh Ucca well the

1244
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 5: stringest freeze AND's available last season for the Patriots of

1245
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 5: the year before I should say, unbelievable production off the edge.

1246
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 5: Then he basically isn't interested in play this season. He

1247
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 5: gets traded to the Chiefs. I really thought you would

1248
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 5: have a serious third down impact for them in the playoffs.

1249
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 5: Just one of those. It's flashing up on. Collinsworth is

1250
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 5: losing his mind, like how did they get this guy?

1251
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 5: Where's he come from? And just nothing happened. I'm sat

1252
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 5: there thinking, would I rather a Hassam Reddick fifty million

1253
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 5: dollars or take josh uj for three million dollars and

1254
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 5: see if there really is the player from the Patriots

1255
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 5: two years ago in there.

1256
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 1: Okay, it's a little worry Simmy could just not get

1257
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: on the field for the Chiefs and not like shocking

1258
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 1: he couldn't get on the field for the Patriots a lot.

1259
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,959
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on there.

1260
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 5: It is peculiar. Noah Enigbari, the corner for the Commanders,

1261
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 5: I think is going to be hidden lost corner in

1262
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 5: the free aging class. He is consistently lost on the

1263
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 5: field all the time, which I know sounds concerning, but

1264
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 5: they do run some pretty complex stuff. He looks confused there.

1265
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 5: But if you just again have a true man to

1266
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 5: man corner. If you're a man heavy system like Nate Hobbs,

1267
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 5: I think that he is a good cheap pick up there.

1268
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 5: Then Baron Browning with the Cardinals. He gets traded to

1269
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 5: the Cardinals out.

1270
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 2: Of no way.

1271
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 5: He's having an unbelievable year off the edge. You look

1272
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 5: at some of the pressure rate and pass fish win rate,

1273
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 5: Stuffie's right there with Miles gowert and the very best

1274
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 5: in the league. I don't think that's necessarily true of

1275
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 5: the play he is, but he has real, real juice

1276
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 5: off the edge. So I think I'd probably rather do

1277
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 5: the Uch Browning pair and see who's healthy he wants

1278
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 5: to play football than I would sign maybe some of

1279
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 5: the top guys.

1280
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Red be out of a job.

1281
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 5: I'd lose my mortgage. I would I would run a franchise.

1282
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean spending money on Hassan Reddick or whoever. It

1283
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: would be, even a Josh Sweat who's gonna be reliable

1284
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: but probably overpaid. That that traditionally hasn't worked that well

1285
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: in free agency. Redicks a fascinating case that people just

1286
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: throw out that year not. I can't believe we made

1287
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: it through this whole thing without mentioning Kaisier White. I

1288
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 1: feel like it's the north Star for both of us.

1289
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 5: We've lost cells now if anything.

1290
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: I know there's there's too many off ball linebackers available.

1291
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:51,919
Speaker 2: There's too many names. But I'm glad we got through.

1292
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: Like there's the big names on top of the market,

1293
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: we had a couple of those. Oh I forgot one

1294
00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 1: of my favorite ones. I'm throwing them in. It's Malcolm Koons.

1295
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: I know he's coming off of torn acl which is

1296
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: pretty major, but man, that last eight games of the

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Speaker 1: season that he had for the Raiders, the way he

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Speaker 1: like dipped around the edge. It was against really good

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Speaker 1: players too. It is like against Rashwan Slater and some

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Speaker 1: really good that he just made look silly. So that's

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Speaker 1: that's a young pass rusher. In theory, he got injured

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Speaker 1: so early last year he missed the whole season that

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Speaker 1: he's had some time to get ready. That's one where

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Speaker 1: I always think injured players, like, why not sign them

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Speaker 1: for like a two year deal. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: cheaper than other teams and give a shot for a

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Speaker 1: pretty young, good pass rusher Malcolm Coons.

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Speaker 2: I'm ending with.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I moved on that one as well, structure the contract

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Speaker 5: the way you do the two year deal. You mess

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Speaker 5: around with the numbers however you want. If it hits,

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Speaker 5: you've got a cheap guy for the second season. I'm

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Speaker 5: all on that. One of all true dip and rip

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Speaker 5: pass for shatists, which guys don't really win that way

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Speaker 5: in the league that much anymore. They used to get

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Speaker 5: shame rate out of the league. You kind of have

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Speaker 5: to play with more power. It's funny though, as we

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Speaker 5: went through the list, I've well, together, we have three

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Speaker 5: guys that have young raiders, guys for you that we

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Speaker 5: defensively though. I really like Patrick Graham, so I wonder

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Speaker 5: if they just try and retain them all if they

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Speaker 5: truly hit the market.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I asked John Spytech about that very thing last last

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Speaker 1: week at the Combine, say you know, on our show,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't really have a strong answer for that

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Speaker 1: other than you know, those are good players.

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Speaker 2: There are some good play he said, some which I clocked.

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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, there's some good ones, and we do

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Speaker 1: want to keep those, so we'll see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I just remember you have a look in his eye

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Speaker 5: that said I have to ask Tommy before I get

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Speaker 5: back to you.

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Speaker 1: No. He in fact said the words, I don't just

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Speaker 1: have this job because I'm friends with Tom, and he

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Speaker 1: pointed out, and I was glad. I asked this, like

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Speaker 1: did you even know Tom Brady in college? And his

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Speaker 1: answer was essentially now now it's like I was like,

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Speaker 1: people are like, oh, he was like college teammates, he'

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Speaker 1: his buddies, Like, I don't think he even knew him.

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Speaker 1: He was on the he was on the freshman's scout

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Speaker 1: team and Tom Brady was, you know, playing against Alabama

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Speaker 1: as the senior quarterback. He said Tom was cool. He

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Speaker 1: would like sit with all the freshmen every once in

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Speaker 1: a while. But that's like one guy at a table

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Speaker 1: of twenty. So he was full to point out, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he didn't even know Tom Brady back then, but Malcolm Coons,

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Speaker 1: that's a name to know. I just remember he wore

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Speaker 1: Garrett Bowls out a couple of years ago. So that's

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Speaker 1: when I like freegency just a couple of days away.

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Speaker 1: You guys are very draft focused right now. In terms

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Speaker 1: of your podcast, are you going to do any free

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Speaker 1: agency coverage with with John? We gotta have John back

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Speaker 1: on the show too.

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Speaker 5: We will do two long freegency breakdowns, probably Rogan levels

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Speaker 5: of analysis on why Jaman Shilwood going to a team

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Speaker 5: really mates them. By November, I'll feel silly, but yeah,

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Speaker 5: well we'll hit the freeency.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it is strange to hear Ollie talking at normal

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Speaker 1: speed because I have to admit I do crank it

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Speaker 1: up to one point five because because of what you said,

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Speaker 1: the Rogan levels of just like twenty minutes on a

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Speaker 1: defensive tackle.

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Speaker 2: I love it, but just just speed it up.

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Speaker 1: Ali one of the best to do it fun breaking

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Speaker 1: down the free agents with you. That's it for this show.

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Speaker 1: This has been a packed week, but we are not

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Speaker 1: done yet. We still have a couple of visions to

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Speaker 1: look ahead in terms of their offseason preview Got My

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Speaker 1: Show with Daniel Jeremiah. Free Agency is back, so as

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Speaker 1: football We'll see you next time.