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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Today we have the

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Speaker 1: thirty third US Secretary of Agriculture with us. It is

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Speaker 1: Brooke Rollins. Thank you so much, Secretary for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Tutor is so fun to be here. I'm just really

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Speaker 2: honored to be a part of it. Well, I'm glad

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Speaker 2: you're here.

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Speaker 1: I think a lot of people see the administration from

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Speaker 1: afar and they don't understand the qualifications that everybody has.

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Speaker 1: And as I learn about your life growing up on

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Speaker 1: a family farm, going to school on an ag scholarship,

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Speaker 1: everything that has led up to this moment, and just

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Speaker 1: the godliness throughout, like God taking care of you throughout this.

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Speaker 1: And I was reading about how you say when you

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Speaker 1: were raising your kids and they were younger, you were

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Speaker 1: called on to step into the first administration. You were like,

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Speaker 1: this is not I can't do this, and I know

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Speaker 1: that feeling as a mom, but you did, and look

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Speaker 1: at what you are doing now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well it really is all about God. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know we're here to talk about agriculture and here

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Speaker 2: to talk about the US Department and this president who

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Speaker 2: is transforming and saving America. But at the end of

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Speaker 2: the day, this all goes back to God and meeting

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Speaker 2: your moment and being able to answer the call that

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Speaker 2: God has on your life. And it's funny. We're studying

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Speaker 2: Exodus in my church right now, and how God had

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Speaker 2: Moses over and over again, and he said, I'm calling you,

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Speaker 2: people right and get them out from the Pharaoh. And

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Speaker 2: every time Moses said, I'm not ready, or this isn't

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Speaker 2: And the whole scriptural lesson of Exodus is that when

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Speaker 2: God calls you answer and that he will, he will

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Speaker 2: be there beside you on your walk, and as you

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Speaker 2: are being asked to do, perhaps things you never expected

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Speaker 2: or things you think are too difficult, that nothing is

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Speaker 2: too big for God. And if he's there with you,

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Speaker 2: then the you know, it's beyond what you could have

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Speaker 2: ever imagined. And so for me, that's what this is.

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Speaker 2: And in the first administration, where I was the President's

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Speaker 2: chief policy lead, I to your point, I said no

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Speaker 2: multiple times because I had a third grader, a fifth grader,

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Speaker 2: of prayer and a very supportive husband, we did take

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Speaker 2: that job. The kids did move with me to Washington.

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Speaker 2: We homeschooled them up here, and it ended up being

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Speaker 2: the greatest three years for my kids, for my family.

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Speaker 2: And so when called again for this job, unexpectedly, I

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Speaker 2: just again I felt such a peace about it. My

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Speaker 2: And it's been an incredible blessing. I will say it's

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Speaker 2: not easy, but the President's vision was never about easy, right.

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Speaker 2: It was about what we need to do to meet

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Speaker 2: that's what that's what I think we're doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said it's not easy, because I think

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Speaker 1: that's what people aren't seeing. If you don't have friends

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Speaker 1: for you obviously you're there seeing it and doing it

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Speaker 2: And everybody I talked to is like, we are not

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Speaker 1: And it's funny because even at the one hundred days celebration,

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Speaker 1: it's been one hundred days. And I looked at her

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Speaker 2: She was like, no, said no, no, I think that's right.

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Speaker 2: But from my perspective, this is the incredible joy of

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Speaker 2: literally everyone said, well, good luck with that, right that

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Speaker 2: to try. And when we left, even in those dark

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Speaker 2: us in a positive way, which is the reason I

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Speaker 2: started America First Policy was to counter that and continue

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Speaker 2: the legacy. But even amongst all of that, the opportunity

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Speaker 2: to now come together to build on the first term,

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Speaker 2: that four years of what I call the Great Pause,

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Speaker 2: moment with friends, you can't slow down. Slowing down is

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Speaker 2: not an option. We've got basically four years now, a

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Speaker 2: the Administrator of the Small Business Administration, Kelly Leffler, who's

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Speaker 2: part of the cabinet, and she said, you know, we're

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Speaker 2: why some people think that's not much? For me, it

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Speaker 2: makes me panic. I'm like, wait a minute, We've already

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Speaker 2: We got to go faster. That's how I think about it.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's also we're into the first year

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Speaker 1: is this attack from the media right now, which it's

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Speaker 1: on all of that. But we're going into the midterms,

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Speaker 1: and I think it's so important. I mean, I watched

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Speaker 1: what you called the pause. But the pause was so

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Speaker 2: Has to go out in four years. I just love that.

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Speaker 1: I love what you were able to do with America

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Speaker 1: for that election. You were so you have been by

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Speaker 1: And I say that because food Security. You made a

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Speaker 1: no longer a nation that's so key.

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Speaker 2: If you can't feed yourself, and if you're reliant on

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Speaker 2: there doesn't matter what else you have, it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: You will never be the economic and the freedom engine

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Speaker 2: doing on trade and tariffs is important. But one thing

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Speaker 2: I want to say too, or I don't know that

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Speaker 2: I've ever said this publicly, to have watched President Trump

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Speaker 2: And there were others too, And I don't want to

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Speaker 2: But there for a while, there were some dark days

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Speaker 2: these things, and just said, this is the man that

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Speaker 2: God has chosen for this time, and his boldness and

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Speaker 2: what it's going to take to save a nation. It's

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Speaker 2: the same fearlessness. I believe that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson,

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Speaker 2: And you know a lot of people say, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: But I do put him in that category because he

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Speaker 2: this darkness. And it is dark, you know this, tutor.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it takes some real conviction to bring light

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Speaker 2: And it's not some radical notion of you know, we

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Speaker 2: So yeah, now we pivot to what that looks like

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Speaker 2: It's not about any of us, not even about Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: It's about God, and it's about America, and that's the

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Speaker 2: that's the most righteous battle of all. From my perspective.

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Speaker 1: You actually gave me chills when you were talking about that,

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