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Speaker 1: So the scene is set. Everyone wants to see more

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Speaker 1: Most recently, Angel Reese Lsu Kim Mochi taking on Don

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Speaker 1: She pushed one person, pushed another person, and then one

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Speaker 4: No one wants to see to see that ugliness. But

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Speaker 5: You know, when you're playing championship games like this in

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