Speaker 1: Hi, this is Zach Wheeler.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Philly Show.
Speaker 3: Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury Todds. We like it's the
Speaker 3: Philly Show. Phillies lose on Tuesday and that NL wild
Speaker 3: card race is really tightening up. Phillies in a three
Speaker 3: way tie with the Diamondbacks and Padres for those final
Speaker 3: two wildcard spots. Let's talk about it. It's time for
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Speaker 3: how are we doing this morning? Wednesday morning? Phillies lose
Speaker 3: on Tuesday to the Cardinals to nothing. Christopher Sanchez pitched well,
Speaker 3: and then I'm watching the game. Caleb Ferguson walks the
Speaker 3: bases loaded with no outs. I'm like, here we go,
Speaker 3: here we go. Luisa Rice, Luis Rice comes the plate,
Speaker 3: and what happened?
Speaker 2: Jim?
Speaker 3: What were you thinking of the press box when that
Speaker 3: went down? Because I heard what Rubin said it was
Speaker 3: something like during the broadcast he was like or unbelievable
Speaker 3: or oh oh no, it.
Speaker 2: Was a.
Speaker 4: Well, what I'm thinking when he came up is that
Speaker 4: he's zero for fifteen and he's like the most gifted
Speaker 4: hitter in the game, and I'm thinking, well, this is
Speaker 4: a great spot for this great hitter, three time batting champ.
Speaker 4: He'll he'll break out of it here and that'll be
Speaker 4: the that'll be the story. And he hit hit the
Speaker 4: ball really well, but right at the first baseman who
Speaker 4: made a very athletic play a the old three two
Speaker 4: three double play to get two outstand and then JT
Speaker 4: hit a ball to it. It was right center that
Speaker 4: would have been out of seventeen or I'm sorry, nineteen
Speaker 4: out of thirty big league parks, and they put it away.
Speaker 4: And earlier in the game, Crawford hit one that would
Speaker 4: have been out of like seventeen, sixteen or seventeen big
Speaker 4: league parks. I'm sorry, bom Alec Bohm did so they
Speaker 4: and then Crawford had two lineouts. They hit the ball
Speaker 4: pretty good, hit some tough luck, but nonetheless I was
Speaker 4: surprised Arise didn't come through there. Cardinals turned to excellent
Speaker 4: double play one of four in the game, and Phillies
Speaker 4: once again don't cash in on opportunities. They've been extremely
Speaker 4: inconsistent since July one, extremely inconsistent since they came back
Speaker 4: from the All Star break when they were just two
Speaker 4: out of the division. Yeah, now, they're in a tie
Speaker 4: for the last spot with the Padres. They got a
Speaker 4: little bit of a advantage because of the tiebreaker, but
Speaker 4: nonetheless they are moving in the wrong direction. They need
Speaker 4: to stop this thing and stop it soon behind Zach
Speaker 4: Wheeler on on Wednesday. I mean, I thought they were
Speaker 4: going to stop it behind or get it going behind
Speaker 4: Christopher Sanchez, but the bats just did not support him.
Speaker 2: No, they did not. They almost like they were a
Speaker 2: snake bit. And they did hit some balls strong.
Speaker 5: I mean they swung the bats pretty well, but not
Speaker 5: when they needed to. I mean sometimes just a b
Speaker 5: loop will suffice or a soft ground ball will suffice.
Speaker 5: They hit a lot of hard hit balls right at people.
Speaker 5: Yesterday you mentioned Crawford. He hit a couple of bullets,
Speaker 5: pretty frustrating, two or three of them, pretty frustrating for him,
Speaker 5: back to the point where he tossed his helmet, uh
Speaker 5: from him. Alec Bohm is not the only guy who snaps,
Speaker 5: but Alec Bohm drove some balls, and.
Speaker 2: I'm just been.
Speaker 5: Amazed at the overall defense of bryceon Stott. He made
Speaker 5: three and I usually circle or highlight defensive plays. I
Speaker 5: had three or four phenomenal defensive plays by Bryce since
Speaker 5: Stott started by dreyp Bryce and Scott at third base,
Speaker 5: he has been excellent. Kudos to him swinging the bat well.
Speaker 5: I think he punts out his last two times up,
Speaker 5: but he's been swinging his bat, swinging the bat.
Speaker 2: Well, playing well. Overall. Pretty impressed by him.
Speaker 5: But you're right, the offense just cannot support the uh,
Speaker 5: the starting pitching right now.
Speaker 2: And and I know.
Speaker 5: They're the old adage. They're producers, not directors as far
Speaker 5: as where to hit the ball.
Speaker 2: But you can be you can try to create your own.
Speaker 5: Luck somehow, some way, and it's unfortunately the Phillies have
Speaker 5: not been able to do that on a consistent basis.
Speaker 5: And they're numbers with runners in scoring position lately have
Speaker 5: been terrible, and as a result, they are not winning
Speaker 5: baseball games. And the overall offensive numbers of this ball
Speaker 5: club grossly underachieving in my in my opinion, for whatever
Speaker 5: reason they are, there's an underachieving offensive team. In the
Speaker 5: past four or five years, it's been a top five
Speaker 5: offensive team. This year it is a bottom third offensive team.
Speaker 2: Other than maybe some of the slug numbers.
Speaker 5: Frankly, they just do not provide enough offense to support
Speaker 5: some of the some of the pitching that they've had.
Speaker 3: Well, they were whatever they're oh for seven on Tuesday
Speaker 3: night with runners in scoring position. That was the twenty
Speaker 3: seventh time this season they've been shut out and or
Speaker 3: held a one run Only the A's have fallen victim
Speaker 3: to that more like twenty eight games only.
Speaker 2: That really isn't for a payroll like this, that's unacceptable.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 5: When you talk about the amount of money that they've
Speaker 5: poured into the offensive side of this team, for them
Speaker 5: to have twenty seven games where they have not tallied,
Speaker 5: that's very very hard to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Poor, it's poor, you know.
Speaker 3: And you waste another good start by Christopher Sanchez. They
Speaker 3: this is only the fourth time they've lost a Sanchez
Speaker 3: start since April thirtieth or fifteen and four now, and
Speaker 3: Sanchez starts and this is not like one of the
Speaker 3: ones where he gave up three runs or four runs.
Speaker 3: He didn't give up any runs in six innings. You
Speaker 3: guys were surprised, I assume as me, and you know, Jim,
Speaker 3: you were asking Don Maddingly about it and Christopher Sanchez
Speaker 3: about it postgame on Tuesday about the decision to pull
Speaker 3: him after eighty nine games.
Speaker 2: Jim.
Speaker 3: The vibe I got just from watching the postgame show
Speaker 3: Rubens same thing was that it was just brutally hot
Speaker 3: there and he was just gassed. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 3: kind of the and Don was kind of protect the
Speaker 3: picture but a little bit by saying, well, I could
Speaker 3: just tell.
Speaker 2: I could just tell.
Speaker 3: But Sanchez kind of said the same thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sanchez acknowledged he was done. He said, you know,
Speaker 4: that was the phrase Don used. He went down and
Speaker 4: in the dug got off to the sixth and communicated
Speaker 4: it with him, and Don just said he was done.
Speaker 4: You could tell, and Sanchez. Sanchez did not really deny it.
Speaker 4: He said it was, you know, a mutual decision. And
Speaker 4: it was funny. Right before the game started above the
Speaker 4: above the bullpens, they have the game time temperature.
Speaker 1: They have the temperature of the day.
Speaker 4: And six minutes, you know, ten minutes before the game started,
Speaker 4: it was it said ninety four degrees and it was
Speaker 4: really hot. A lot of brick there that radiates the heat.
Speaker 4: It was one of the hottest games I can remember.
Speaker 4: So it says ninety four about ten minutes before first pitch,
Speaker 4: and then there was the first pitch and they announced.
Speaker 1: Ninety one and I'm like, wow, dropped.
Speaker 4: It didn't drop that much, you know that quick so,
Speaker 4: but it was very, very hot, very thick air, two
Speaker 4: nights in a row, a human and when a kid
Speaker 4: from the DR says it was uncomfortable, uncomfortable, you know,
Speaker 4: you know the weather is uncomfortable, right, Reuben.
Speaker 2: Well, no question about it.
Speaker 5: And he's he's not the kind of guy that would
Speaker 5: let him that would take himself out of a ballgame
Speaker 5: or let the umpire know. I mean, this is the
Speaker 5: guy that looked into the dugout that one time when
Speaker 5: he looked in and said, I need.
Speaker 2: One more hitter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, when it was a game probably in the middle
Speaker 5: of the season or early part of the season, when
Speaker 5: he didn't want to come out of the game.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's it is really brutally hot out there.
Speaker 5: Or what I thought was interesting is they brought the
Speaker 5: kid in in that situation, in a very difficult situation,
Speaker 5: and Donnie just you know, gave gave McFarland a shot,
Speaker 5: uh and actually ended up overall throwing the ball pretty well.
Speaker 2: Alex McFarlane.
Speaker 5: But when you walk, guys, it comes back to get
Speaker 5: you every single time, and unfortunately, I mean, this kid
Speaker 5: might end up being an outstanding believer for this ball club,
Speaker 5: but in this situation, not sure if.
Speaker 2: That was.
Speaker 5: At a necessity or whether he just didn't trust the
Speaker 5: Kirker Rings and Alvarado's of the world, or that it
Speaker 5: just seemed like Doroan was not available so they had
Speaker 5: to go with, you know, hold off on some of
Speaker 5: those guys. So again two nights in a row where
Speaker 5: they had you know, it's that bullpen's been beat up
Speaker 5: so much. Here's the thing, as an old school baseball
Speaker 5: person that I don't quite understand. You know, back in
Speaker 5: the day, we had rotations and pitching staffs that had
Speaker 5: nine or ten people. Now they have thirteen, They have
Speaker 5: eight guys in the bullpen. I know that it's a
Speaker 5: different era and a different time where maximum velocity and
Speaker 5: maximum spin puts more strain on pitch.
Speaker 2: But again, this is something that has.
Speaker 5: To be realigned or rethunk in baseball because guys should
Speaker 5: be available out of the bullpen, and they're not because
Speaker 5: they're being used too much, or you're not developing enough
Speaker 5: starting pitching to go, you know, have the enough length
Speaker 5: to cover some of these innings, and it is in
Speaker 5: this day and age, it's astonishing to me that for
Speaker 5: two straight days they didn't really have any bullpen pieces
Speaker 5: to use on a team that has eight relievers. Eight relievers.
Speaker 5: Think about this for a second. Back in the day,
Speaker 5: we had five relievers and stop time.
Speaker 2: I mean, I again, I know it's a different world.
Speaker 5: I know it's a different type of strain on your
Speaker 5: arm and that sort of thing. But something something about
Speaker 5: baseball that has to change is is just that you
Speaker 5: have to try to develop players who can pitch back
Speaker 5: to back to back games, simple as that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was trying to stay away.
Speaker 4: I think from Kirkering and Duran, I think Alvarado was available. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but the kid, You're right, I mean, it's a it's
Speaker 4: a really good arm.
Speaker 1: So he strikes out. I'm sorry he walked.
Speaker 4: The first batter he faced, Jordan Walker on six pitches
Speaker 4: and ball four is one hundred point seven miles an hour.
Speaker 4: Walker steals second on the first pitch, and then he
Speaker 4: comes back and gives up a he almost gets out of.
Speaker 4: He gives up a two out single on another one
Speaker 4: hundred mile an hour pitch. Like I said, it's a
Speaker 4: good arm. But those walks will kill you. Leadoff walks
Speaker 4: will just kill you. He's not the reason they lost
Speaker 4: the game. Ultimately, he is tagged with the with the loss.
Speaker 4: But the offense is the reason why they lost this one.
Speaker 4: But it's a good arm man. But I'm eager to
Speaker 4: see more.
Speaker 5: If you guys, let me pontificate a little bit more.
Speaker 5: And I apologize for taking over here. But one of
Speaker 5: the other things that happened in this game is he
Speaker 5: walks the lead off guy, and yes, he's going to
Speaker 5: be a good picture in my opinion, doesn't pay attention
Speaker 5: to the base runner long to the plate gets the
Speaker 5: second base that ends up that ends up beating him
Speaker 5: because he doesn't he's not doesn't have the ability, or
Speaker 5: doesn't have.
Speaker 2: The wherewithal or the know how, or the he's not.
Speaker 5: Alert enough to know that this guy could steal a base.
Speaker 5: These are all things that will happen with more experience.
Speaker 5: And you know, this is a perfect example of players
Speaker 5: coming to the major leagues that are not necessarily fully
Speaker 5: prepared for these types of situations. Baseball in the major
Speaker 5: leagues is fall are far different from baseball in the
Speaker 5: minor leagues, and the preparation I don't know. I know
Speaker 5: you have to experience it to be there. But it's
Speaker 5: also one of those situations where, listen, you come to
Speaker 5: the big leagues, you have to be able to hold runners,
Speaker 5: if you're if you're a bullpen guy, and you have
Speaker 5: to be able to throw strikes. I'm not saying that
Speaker 5: he won't. I think he will. I think I like
Speaker 5: the way he went about it. But these are all
Speaker 5: really important pieces of the game, those subtle things that
Speaker 5: people don't necessarily see. That's the reason why one of
Speaker 5: the reasons why they lost that game, guy scores on
Speaker 5: a bash because he's at second base instead of at first.
Speaker 5: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 1: He's twenty five years old. When do you learn that? Geez?
Speaker 2: Well, that's Those are things that have to be taught
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues, and I see it time and
Speaker 2: time again where there are players that come to the
Speaker 2: major leagues.
Speaker 5: It's not just the Phillies, and in fact, I think
Speaker 5: the player development wise, I think they do a pretty
Speaker 5: good job of preparing guys, but they don't I don't
Speaker 5: know that those things are being emphasized. I don't know
Speaker 5: the subtleties of the game are being emphasized they're more
Speaker 5: worried and concerned about the guy's ability to spin the
Speaker 5: baseball and to throw it hard than to understand the
Speaker 5: nuances of the game that the guy might steal in
Speaker 5: this situation, or you got to throw strikes, because if
Speaker 5: you don't throw strikes in the big leagues, man, you're
Speaker 5: in trouble. I mean, these these these sorts of things,
Speaker 5: small things that have to be learned before you get
Speaker 5: to the big leagues, and now they're learning them in
Speaker 5: the big leagues. Sometimes when it's too late.
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see how he handles those moments
Speaker 3: his next few times out, because that was that was
Speaker 3: the second big league appearance. If I'm not mistaken correct,
Speaker 3: so is so I was gonna say, is there a
Speaker 3: possibility Jim and Ruben that he walks Jordan Walker. By
Speaker 3: the way, Jim, I I read your story from last
Speaker 3: night NBC Sports filadelph He had a great lead and said,
Speaker 3: there's an old baseball adage doesn't matter how hard you throw,
Speaker 3: ball four, it's ball four. So anyway he walks, he
Speaker 3: walks Jordan Walker. Is it possible that this guy is
Speaker 3: in his second big league appearance? Tie Game zero zero
Speaker 3: seventh inning, and he's just kind of like not not
Speaker 3: not not that he can't do it, but maybe he's
Speaker 3: just not focused on it because he's a little bit nervous,
Speaker 3: you know. So I want to say is maybe you know,
Speaker 3: we'll see, we'll see the next third appearance, fourth appearance,
Speaker 3: fifth appearance. If he's better at holding these runners and
Speaker 3: paying attention to these runners. Maybe he was kind of
Speaker 3: scared out there.
Speaker 2: What I did notice is he sped up his delivery
Speaker 2: when the base it occurred. I forget who got the hit.
Speaker 2: It was Mason.
Speaker 5: Who can steal a base now all of a sudden, Okay,
Speaker 5: And I think Caleb Coffin went out there to talk
Speaker 5: to him at some point, not sure before maason win
Speaker 5: or after the base hit, But he sped up his
Speaker 5: delivery and Mason didn't attempt him to, uh, to steal
Speaker 5: a base because he was a little bit, a little
Speaker 5: bit quicker to the plate.
Speaker 4: There you go, And those things are all those are
Speaker 4: all great points, and those little things are completely magnified
Speaker 4: when you don't score enough runs to play over them.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, yeah, all right, I'm not blaming
Speaker 2: the kid. I'm not blaming the kid.
Speaker 5: It's just that you know, he's put in a tough
Speaker 5: spit situation and he made He may hold runners great
Speaker 5: in the future, he may do all those things.
Speaker 2: But in a tight situation.
Speaker 5: Like that, that's where some of those subtle things can
Speaker 5: can cost you a ballgame. And you hope that that
Speaker 5: game doesn't kick them out of the playoffs.
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Speaker 3: pretty cool to see. So Bryce Harper, Jim, you had
Speaker 3: a little chat with Bryce on Tuesday before the game.
Speaker 3: Here's a quote because he DHD on Monday, he DHD
Speaker 3: on Saturday. It seems like a lot of DH in
Speaker 3: the New Phillies right fielder. Well, it turns out he's
Speaker 3: got a sore left knee, and he said it's not
Speaker 3: to the point where it's oh crap, which is good.
Speaker 3: I can still play. I can manage it. Jim, what
Speaker 3: can you tell us about this because this is something
Speaker 3: definitely worth monitoring moving forward on Bryce Harper's health.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely worth monitoring. He's we know how important he
Speaker 4: is in a lot of ways as he and Schwarber go,
Speaker 4: so goes this offense. But yeah, he banged that left
Speaker 4: knee sliding into a base in Detroit before the All
Speaker 4: Star break.
Speaker 1: Charlotte and Lachlan went back and found some video. They're
Speaker 1: really good at it and.
Speaker 4: Didn't it looked like a pretty innocuous play, but he
Speaker 4: kind of kept it under wraps. Didn't tell anybody, neither
Speaker 4: did Don But he said he just banged it a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 1: It was sore, calmed down.
Speaker 4: It got a little sore recently as he moved back
Speaker 4: to the outfield and started moving a little differently. But
Speaker 4: he's getting treatment. He thinks he's fine Don revealed it
Speaker 4: on Monday. Hopper confirmed it on Tuesday. But like you said,
Speaker 4: he doesn't think it's a big deal. And play through it.
Speaker 4: Forty one games left. You play through it. Guys have
Speaker 4: bumps and bruises all over that locker room and you
Speaker 4: got to play through it, especially your big boys. So
Speaker 4: maintain it, make sure it doesn't get worse, and go
Speaker 4: go from there.
Speaker 5: But one of the things that we'll say about knee
Speaker 5: and any lower body issues is that we've seen it
Speaker 5: with schwarbur in the past. You can't use your lower
Speaker 5: half the way you want to, and you're not really
Speaker 5: driving the ball. It's it makes it. It affects the
Speaker 5: way you one move in the outfield for him, and
Speaker 5: to the.
Speaker 2: Way you move in at the dish.
Speaker 5: And if you're not able to use your lower I
Speaker 5: mean he uses a lot of his lower half to
Speaker 5: drive the ball. He creates a lot of torque with
Speaker 5: his swing. Uh, so it can't affect him. And he
Speaker 5: hasn't been swinging the bat all that well, taking his
Speaker 5: walks getting on base, but he hasn't really swung it.
Speaker 2: All that well.
Speaker 5: I had a couple of double play balls yesterday. Obviously
Speaker 5: he was not running down the line. Not sure if
Speaker 5: he's just trying to preserve himself or whatever the case
Speaker 5: may be.
Speaker 2: But but it.
Speaker 5: Can't affect the other parts of your game. So you
Speaker 5: wonder whether or not it makes some sense just to
Speaker 5: get off of it for a couple of days and
Speaker 5: not play. I know he wants to play one hundred
Speaker 5: and sixty two games, and he wants to play every day,
Speaker 5: and I and I totally get, you know, playing through
Speaker 5: some things.
Speaker 2: But does it make some sense to give him a
Speaker 2: day or two.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's gonna it's gonna happen in the
Speaker 5: uh in the game there in in Iowa.
Speaker 2: It's too you know, it's too big of a stage.
Speaker 2: But does he get a day or two at some.
Speaker 5: Point to uh to get a breather on off of
Speaker 5: that knee so that he can come back and be
Speaker 5: one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: You would think you would think the day game on
Speaker 4: Wednesday might be a good chance because it's hot. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's grounded into three double plays last two nights, one
Speaker 4: of them got to run home.
Speaker 5: But yeah, maybe it would make some sense. It would
Speaker 5: make some sense on the day game on today on Wednesday, But.
Speaker 4: I would be, I guess surprised because he does seem
Speaker 4: hell bent on staying on that field. He's played, He's
Speaker 4: played one hundred and twenty one. He don't want to stop.
Speaker 3: Now, what do you guys think of Schwarber at at
Speaker 3: at first base? You know, if that that would have
Speaker 3: Harper d h Schwarber at first base, get bum out
Speaker 3: of the lineup. He's been struggling, of course, but.
Speaker 1: It's happened twice in the last few days.
Speaker 3: I guess might right correct, But I don't.
Speaker 2: Have a problem with it. He's been he's been okay
Speaker 2: over there. He's getting better and better. I mean, he
Speaker 2: works very hard, and he really enjoys it.
Speaker 5: He came off the field the other day and he
Speaker 5: was like, he came off the field after doing.
Speaker 2: Work a couple of days ago, and I was like,
Speaker 2: how did that feel? He goes, I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: It's fun. It's fun good.
Speaker 5: Uh So, I mean, listen, he's again, he's a team player,
Speaker 5: will do whatever the team wants him to do.
Speaker 2: But I think he enjoys doing it.
Speaker 5: And he's actually gotten better and better just having watched
Speaker 5: his actions and watched his movements and and he's done
Speaker 5: pretty well in the games as well.
Speaker 3: It's a nice, it could potentially nice little wrinkle there.
Speaker 3: I mean, if if you're not that you want that
Speaker 3: to happen. You want Harper out in the field. But
Speaker 3: if he would need to get off this fet and
Speaker 3: you know d H for a few games here and there,
Speaker 3: that's that isn't could be an option for him moving forward.
Speaker 3: I mean, like you said, Jim, it's happened a couple
Speaker 3: of times in the last four games.
Speaker 4: But I got the impression, I got the impression that
Speaker 4: Bryce would have preferred that no one ever found out
Speaker 4: about this, But Don mentioned it when he dated on
Speaker 4: on Monday.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a natural question to ask. I mean,
Speaker 3: you guys are doing your your twice in three games.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, why is why is this happening?
Speaker 3: He said he wanted to play right field. Why has
Speaker 3: it happened two times in three games? There's got to
Speaker 3: be a reason for it.
Speaker 1: It also, it also don't like to admit stuff, you know.
Speaker 2: Correct it Also it also begs the question.
Speaker 5: It also begs the question, Hey, do you start playing
Speaker 5: Schorebert first base more regularly if you don't feel like
Speaker 5: Boehm is the guy and you want to use that
Speaker 5: d H slot for somebody else.
Speaker 2: And I wonder if that.
Speaker 5: Is something that is a thought part of a thought
Speaker 5: process with Don Manningly, I think, Jim, you asked about that,
Speaker 5: and you asked about Alec Bohm and he sounded very
Speaker 5: confident in him, but his nose could have hit you,
Speaker 5: possibly in the chest when he said it. We sure,
Speaker 5: we certainly have to support our players when we're a manager, correct,
Speaker 5: But I mean Boom has hits. The ball is pretty good,
Speaker 5: but he just hasn't lately. But it hasn't really produced
Speaker 5: a whole lot of offense. Do you sit him and
Speaker 5: does he become, you know, a guy that plays against
Speaker 5: the lefties only does he become a platoon guy?
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean these are fair questions. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: his production has not been good for a while now,
Speaker 3: and you know he grades out as one of the
Speaker 3: worst players in baseball this season, most worst regular players
Speaker 3: in baseball this season. So it's these are all fair questions.
Speaker 3: I know fans are frustrated with his play and they're
Speaker 3: frustrated with his frustrations that he shows on the field.
Speaker 1: Frustrations.
Speaker 2: Had one big snap in the in the dugout.
Speaker 3: I mean, so what, Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 5: I'd rather have that guy care and then then sit
Speaker 5: on his ass and give toots about making outs.
Speaker 3: Well, it is funny because if if he never showed
Speaker 3: any emotion, they'd say that, you know, people would say
Speaker 3: the guy's a dead ass and he doesn't care.
Speaker 1: Chase, how many?
Speaker 3: How many? How many helmets did Chase Utley break? We've
Speaker 3: talked about this on.
Speaker 1: The show before in one season and Rubin didn't.
Speaker 3: You have to have an honest chat with Chase at
Speaker 3: one point or somebody can say, hey, please stop breaking
Speaker 3: helmets were running. I think it was maybe Philly's Bill Sheridan.
Speaker 4: Bill Sheridan did, yeah, he he he smashed seven in
Speaker 4: one season, but he always did it up the tunnel
Speaker 4: when no we saw it, and Phil Sheridan the equipment.
Speaker 4: I had to say, hey, you know, we get to
Speaker 4: the end of the season, I'm down to your last helmet.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I can get one here in time,
Speaker 4: you know, please, But yeah, bo, I'm all right when
Speaker 4: he snaps, and I mean he should have snapped after that,
Speaker 4: but he hit that ball three hundred and ninety nine
Speaker 4: feet the guy made a great catch last night. The
Speaker 4: umpire actually thought it was gone. At one point, the
Speaker 4: umpire raised his hand because the center fielder Peiri just
Speaker 4: sat there like he didn't know if he had it
Speaker 4: or not. And the umpire raised his hand like this
Speaker 4: and Bot pointed to the bullpen.
Speaker 1: He thought it was out. It was crazy.
Speaker 2: It was interesting.
Speaker 5: And what was interesting about the play was and when
Speaker 5: he landed, when the outfielder Lena Perreira landed, he was like,
Speaker 5: it looked like it was a it was a frustration gesture,
Speaker 5: and it was like, I'm excited gesture for making that play, right,
Speaker 5: And so if you're in the booth and he can't
Speaker 5: quite see what's going on out there, it's hard to see.
Speaker 5: You're thinking, you're thinking it's a home run. And then
Speaker 5: I was like, oh my gosh, he made that catch.
Speaker 5: He made that catch.
Speaker 2: Seane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really weird to watch Bom reach second
Speaker 4: base and point to the dugout that's well.
Speaker 2: He went all the way to third base thinking he
Speaker 2: still headed home run.
Speaker 5: And then and then the ac had had to let
Speaker 5: him know, cause Paris had to let him know, you're out,
Speaker 5: my friend.
Speaker 3: I know you're really happy, don't kill me. I didn't
Speaker 3: do it, but you're out.
Speaker 2: Exactly not fun at all. At I will tell you've
Speaker 2: been there and done.
Speaker 3: It from ultimate elation to what Yeah anyway, So, Ruben,
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Speaker 3: All right, We're back. Monday was kind of an that
Speaker 3: was one of the weirder, weirder games I've watched in
Speaker 3: this sense, Andrew Painter's thrown a no hitter, he gives
Speaker 3: up a couple hits in the sixth inning, runs into trouble.
Speaker 3: Alan ron Hell comes in the game and he is
Speaker 3: going through it. In the eighth inning. Crickets in the
Speaker 3: Phillies bullpen. Nothing going on, not that nobody's a moving
Speaker 3: and I'm going, wow, they really are going to bite
Speaker 3: the bullet here they win the game. But that was
Speaker 3: one of the weirder games I've seen in a while,
Speaker 3: because I've we talked about this at the beginning of
Speaker 3: the show, haven't really I've never really seen a game
Speaker 3: where it was like, this is it. We've got one guy,
Speaker 3: maybe another guy. If they have the lead in the
Speaker 3: ninth inning, that is it. And then Jim you asked
Speaker 3: the question after Monday Night's game, what would have happened
Speaker 3: in the tenth inning if this game would have been tied,
Speaker 3: and Don Mattingly said, Garrett Stubbs, as good would have
Speaker 3: pitched that game. That is insane.
Speaker 5: It's insane. It is insane in this dame age to
Speaker 5: have had that situation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were ready to lose the game. They were
Speaker 4: ready to lose the game, sacrifice the game. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: know which, I mean, you're right. I can remember five
Speaker 4: six man bullpens when you always had that one long
Speaker 4: man who could suck it up forever. And and there's
Speaker 4: really no such thing as that. Everybody's just you know,
Speaker 4: max effort for an inning and go away, and there
Speaker 4: was you know, Don wanted to get his guy's rest,
Speaker 4: but I'm sure there's people in his ear, like the
Speaker 4: medical staff, saying, we're leaning too heavily on these guys.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a breakdown. Somebody's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 4: And with them being so thin in pitching at the
Speaker 4: big league level and even beyond that, organizationally, you know
Speaker 4: they can't afford another injury they already have killing him down.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was surreal watching Alan Ranghell get through
Speaker 4: that eighth inning as the Cardinals arounding the base is
Speaker 4: taking you know, big a swings off this guy because
Speaker 4: they were also confident, and all of a sudden he
Speaker 4: stopped it. It was a gutsy inning for him, but
Speaker 4: under ordinary circumstances you get him out of the inning.
Speaker 4: It's like anybody with any competitive instinct is like, what
Speaker 4: are they doing? Why are they not you know, getting
Speaker 4: this guy out of here and trying to stop this thing.
Speaker 4: But he was He and the organization, I will say,
Speaker 4: because Dobrowski was in on medical staff was in on it,
Speaker 4: Garrett Stubbs was in on it. They knew what they
Speaker 4: were doing to try to get these guys some rest.
Speaker 4: So though it wasn't a complete reset because I still
Speaker 4: don't think they had Duran on Tuesday night, it helped
Speaker 4: get them some guys some rest. But ultimately they didn't
Speaker 4: get a win the next day, but they got one
Speaker 4: that day.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised they got it and held on they got
Speaker 1: on Monday.
Speaker 5: You've got to give a lot of love to John
Speaker 5: Jonathan Bolan, who has become a more trusted piece back
Speaker 5: there for Don matting Les. But right now, I think
Speaker 5: it's Duran and Boland back there in the eighth and
Speaker 5: ninth where he started to really trust him. And you've
Speaker 5: got to give some of the Jonathan Boleen, his first
Speaker 5: major league safe didn't even know it at the time,
Speaker 5: cool that his his family was there to enjoy it
Speaker 5: and to be there for it. But he's come a
Speaker 5: long way from the beginning of the season where he
Speaker 5: seemed tentative at times with his stuff, and now he's
Speaker 5: just sort of building into the guy that Don mannically
Speaker 5: can trust. I still think that they they could have
Speaker 5: used a even more talented and or experienced guy in
Speaker 5: the back end of the bullpen, and I do feel
Speaker 5: like it's going to end up being an achilles heel
Speaker 5: for them at some point, sadly hopefully. You know, the
Speaker 5: guys like McFarlane who's got the big arm and a
Speaker 5: guy like Bolan who is starting to come into his
Speaker 5: own can hold things down. But you just never know
Speaker 5: how they're going to react come September when they have
Speaker 5: to win a baseball game to get into the playoffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank goodness for Jonathan Bolan. That ends up. You know,
Speaker 3: David and Browse, he he's coming or some heat lately
Speaker 3: for some of the off season moves and just you know,
Speaker 3: roster construction and this and that. But you know, he
Speaker 3: traded Matt Strom to the Royals on this, you know
Speaker 3: whatever mid December, late December, in December for Jonathan Bolan
Speaker 3: and Matt Strum. Just got d F eight on August fourth,
Speaker 3: and here's Jonathan Bollan. If they didn't have it, maybe
Speaker 3: they would be in deep.
Speaker 4: Did you guys feel uncomfortable watching that eighth inning Monday night?
Speaker 2: I was squirming, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: I was calling it.
Speaker 2: I was squirming. I'm thinking to myself, well, then they
Speaker 2: literally have nobody.
Speaker 5: They literally have one guy, and it's Jonathan Bolan, And
Speaker 5: I think he wanted to stay away from Jonathan Bolan
Speaker 5: that day if he didn't have to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm his job. I'm just sitting at home going.
Speaker 3: I literally sat out out a couple of This is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: This is unbelievable, and there's literally nobody warming up. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep looking something in the bullpen.
Speaker 3: This is no bueno be because didn't didn't maddingly say
Speaker 3: before the game, like you gotta might might have to
Speaker 3: lose the battle to win the war. I think somebody
Speaker 3: he said, didn't he say something along those lines.
Speaker 2: He may have.
Speaker 5: He may have said that, but you don't want to
Speaker 5: like give the other team that you like, that competitive
Speaker 5: advantage by letting them know that so and so is
Speaker 5: not available and so and so is not available and so.
Speaker 2: I mean, you just don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Said.
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go. He said to Scott franskiin the
Speaker 3: on the pregame show. I know I saw that or
Speaker 3: read that quote somewhere, heard that quote somewhere, so uh
Speaker 3: So I was like, wow, I guess he's serious anyway. So,
Speaker 3: Philly's tough.
Speaker 2: It's a tough position, tough position to be in.
Speaker 5: Man when you're having to win every single game. Because
Speaker 5: Don Manning himself said this is a sprint. Now, yeah,
Speaker 5: well you know, sprint you gotta in every freaking game.
Speaker 2: The Phillies are.
Speaker 3: Tied right now, tied right now with the Podres and
Speaker 3: the Diamondbacks for that second and third wild card since
Speaker 3: the All Star break. The Podreys are sixteen and nine,
Speaker 3: the Diamondbacks are fifteen and ten, and the Phillies are
Speaker 3: ten and fourteen. So Phillies are kind of going the
Speaker 3: wrong way and these other other two teams are heating up.
Speaker 3: The Marlin or the Marlins are two and a half back.
Speaker 3: But Phillies are in a tough spot right now. They
Speaker 3: gotta they gotta start playing better.
Speaker 5: I know, a week ago or ten days ago, I
Speaker 5: said these this team's making the playoffs. I can't say
Speaker 5: that with that kind of confidence anymore. Yeah, I can't
Speaker 5: do it, no doubt.
Speaker 1: You're waffling, Ruben. You're waffling.
Speaker 2: Well I am waffling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I call me a waffler, Rubin.
Speaker 3: I was right there with on the.
Speaker 2: Fence, up directly embedded on the fence.
Speaker 1: Well you're at it. Make me a waffle.
Speaker 2: I'm firmly embedded on the fence.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: All right, well, Phillies wrap it up on would we
Speaker 4: say Wednesday is a must win?
Speaker 5: I feel like, yeah, every game they must win for
Speaker 5: the next morning.
Speaker 4: So they could go into the cornfield out of the
Speaker 4: wildcard picture. I guess with the with the tiebreaker, I
Speaker 4: guess it would still be tied. But well, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, it just doesn't look good when you're out.
Speaker 3: There right right you meet the Potter's wind to night.
Speaker 3: Padres and Diamondbacks win on Tuesday and Wednesday and the
Speaker 3: Phillies lose, will be out right, they'll be.
Speaker 2: Field. Are you joining us in the cornfields?
Speaker 4: And I was gonna say, have you seen that September schedule?
Speaker 4: It is a bear?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, no, it's going to be aggressive, Jim.
Speaker 2: Are you joining us in the cornfields?
Speaker 4: I am not. I am not going to the cornfield.
Speaker 4: I'm going to uh the airport and going home to
Speaker 4: my own cornfields.
Speaker 2: Is it for a lack of work or I mean,
Speaker 2: do you not you don't want it? I mean, do
Speaker 2: you want it?
Speaker 1: I'm actually not allowed in the state of Iowa. I
Speaker 1: have to come clean.
Speaker 3: I've been to Iowa a few times.
Speaker 2: You've taken too many of their of their secrets out
Speaker 2: of there for your gardening. You're stealing too many secrets.
Speaker 4: Todd used to go to Iowa to cover Big ten
Speaker 4: basketball football.
Speaker 3: Right, that's correct, that's correct. Almost got a Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a I've been there. I haven't been the field.
Speaker 1: You're not joining us either.
Speaker 2: I'm a solo.
Speaker 3: No, you're gonna be solo. I I I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be a fantastic event. I am really looking forward
Speaker 3: to watching it on TVAG.
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't get rained out. We got a
Speaker 2: chance for no.
Speaker 3: Thanks no, no, thank you, well regardless, we will be
Speaker 3: back on Friday to talk about Field of Dreams. So
Speaker 3: until then, to.
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